| fedoralogger | JontheEchidna: please take a look at bug 212796 | 00:00 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 212796 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu lacks default key bindings for Switch One Desktop Down/Up/etc" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212796 | 00:00 |
| * fedoralogger doesnt think we should set that | 00:00 | |
| fedoralogger | also ctrl+alt+arrow is used in various apps | 00:00 |
| maco | fedoralogger: what does? O_o | 00:20 |
| fedoralogger | *shrug* | 00:22 |
| fedoralogger | I have a feeling I use that shortcut at times | 00:22 |
| fedoralogger | or used maybe | 00:23 |
| maco | ctrl+alt+arrows is what compiz uses | 00:23 |
| maco | ive never *heard* of it colliding with anything | 00:23 |
| fedoralogger | compiz collieds with all sorts of things | 00:23 |
| fedoralogger | mostly it just stays unnoticed :P | 00:23 |
| fedoralogger | i.e. it used to collide with ooo for years on some rather unused shortcut | 00:24 |
| * Sput has been using ctrl+alt+arrows for desktop switching for a decade | 00:24 | |
| fedoralogger | hm | 00:24 |
| Sput | can't remember it ever having collide | 00:24 |
| Sput | d | 00:24 |
| maco | yeah the non-default plugins sometimes do | 00:24 |
| fedoralogger | in that case | 00:24 |
| fedoralogger | lets bring it to upstreams attention! | 00:24 |
| maco | but the desktop switch ive never heard of a collision | 00:24 |
| maco | ooo does WEIRD shortcuts, btw. try F11. it's NOT fullscreen! wtf? | 00:24 |
| fedoralogger | f11 is not fullscreen in a lot of kde apps either :P | 00:25 |
| maco | do those ones *have* fullscreen at all? | 00:25 |
| maco | for OOo, f11 is "styles" and fullscreen is something else that doesnt fit any hig that im aware of | 00:27 |
| Sput | F11 was styles already back when it was still Star Office | 00:29 |
| Sput | which predates KDE :) | 00:29 |
| Sput | hm. now I feel old again. | 00:31 |
| * fedoralogger wants a machine that goes "bing" | 00:31 | |
| maco | wow | 00:37 |
| maco | thats old | 00:37 |
| maco | i was a gnome user when i noticed the f11 weirdness. gnome and i think kde both say f11=fullscreen, and windows does too i'm sure | 00:37 |
| fedoralogger | maco: I do not think KDE's hig says f11 for fullscreen | 00:38 |
| maco | i'll go look | 00:38 |
| fedoralogger | if so then I would know more apps that violate that guideline than those following it ^^ | 00:38 |
| maco | i was assuming it since it seems to be default elsewhere | 00:38 |
| maco | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/Keyboard_Shortcuts | 00:39 |
| maco | yes, the hig says fullscreen = f11 | 00:39 |
| fedoralogger | konsole doesnt follow that | 00:41 |
| fedoralogger | neither does kaffeine, dragon or bangaran IIRC | 00:41 |
| fedoralogger | in fact only konqueror and rekonq come to mind regarding f11 for fullscreen | 00:41 |
| fedoralogger | though those also support ctrl+shift+f IIRC, | 00:41 |
| fedoralogger | which seems to be more an established standard than f11 | 00:42 |
| fedoralogger | krdc also does use ctrl+shift+f and not f11 | 00:42 |
| fedoralogger | same for okular | 00:43 |
| fedoralogger | seele: ^ I think the f11 for shortcut paradigm should either be enforced within core KDE software or exchanged with ctrl+shift+f | 00:44 |
| fedoralogger | latter seems to be the better choice because konsole for example cant use f11 at any rate because it might conflict with CLI shortcuts | 00:45 |
| nixternal | whew, so good to be back home | 04:18 |
| nixternal | I am going to sleep for 2 days I think | 04:18 |
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| Mamarok | what -dbg package do I have to install to get a valid backtrace for Dolphin? I have repeated crashes when copying | 07:57 |
| Mamarok | there is non for dolphin, shouldn't there be one? | 08:00 |
| Mamarok | none* | 08:00 |
| corigo | Loaded 4.4.1 on 9.10 (Kubuntu_64) and now my workspace is crashing on login. Black desktop with no UI | 08:00 |
| persia | Are there dbgsym ddebs? | 08:01 |
| persia | If there's *neither* -dbg nor ddebs, it's an issue, but often there are ddebs when there is no -dbg | 08:01 |
| Mamarok | persia: ddebs? Never heard of :) | 08:05 |
| persia | They're all housed at http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ | 08:07 |
| persia | I'll give you a wiki page if I can find it that talks about them. | 08:07 |
| persia | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash | 08:08 |
| Mamarok | persia: thanks a lot :) | 08:11 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: hey :) | 08:59 |
| corigo | Seeing this bug all over again on 4.4.1 on Ubuntu_64_9.10 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225341 | 08:59 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 225341 in general "Plasma Workspace (kdeinit4), signal: Segmentation fault [KCrash Handler]" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] | 08:59 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: I found out a little bug in the plasmoid | 08:59 |
| Tonio_ | sebas: as some points when it starts up, I see the list of all available networks, and the button on the bottom shows "show more", which means I should only see the known networks | 09:00 |
| Tonio_ | I have to click on show more, then show less, and then I get something "normal" | 09:00 |
| Tonio_ | I'll take a screenshot next time it happens... | 09:00 |
| fedoralogger | Mamarok: kdebase-dbg | 09:30 |
| Mamarok | fedoralogger: thanks, I just added all -dbg packages for the base system | 10:19 |
| markey | gah gah | 10:37 |
| markey | the new Nvidia driver really hates me | 10:38 |
| markey | crashed again :( | 10:38 |
| markey | oh well, restarting KDE once in a while fixes memory leaks nicely ;) | 10:38 |
| markey | fedoralogger: heh, what's up with your nick? :) | 10:38 |
| markey | feel like reading some FUD? it is pretty nasty, so maybe better not read it: http://sandeep.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/ubuntu-lucid-worst-ever-kde-4-4-1-slowest-ever/ | 10:44 |
| markey | "Instead what we have is an OS with a weird unusable theme" | 10:44 |
| markey | it didn't look unsable to me | 10:44 |
| markey | unusable even | 10:45 |
| * jussi01 giglles at that article... surely he cant be serious... | 10:50 | |
| fedoralogger | sure he can! | 10:53 |
| fedoralogger | markey: nixternal unveild that I was secretly in love with fedora, so now I am fedora developer | 10:53 |
| markey | ah, heh | 10:53 |
| markey | a double agent | 10:54 |
| fedoralogger | not anymore | 10:54 |
| markey | I secretly work on XMMS, btw | 10:54 |
| fedoralogger | xmms2 is the gnome! | 10:54 |
| fedoralogger | wants to install a billion packages | 10:54 |
| markey | nah, the _real_ XMMS, version 0.6 | 10:54 |
| markey | all later versions were crap | 10:54 |
| markey | it's my favorite player | 10:55 |
| markey | it's funny to try pushing the fixed size buttons on a display with high DPI :p | 10:55 |
| fedoralogger | hm | 10:56 |
| fedoralogger | is xmms written in C? | 10:56 |
| fedoralogger | if so I could join you... that cpp business is getting annoying :P | 10:56 |
| fedoralogger | latest newsgroup posting is about whether instance N of class A ought to delete instance B of class C, even though B is not on the heap and not even created by N | 10:58 |
| jussi01 | fedoralogger: shhh, you are making us look insane... oh whoops :P | 10:59 |
| fedoralogger | srsly | 11:00 |
| fedoralogger | "should I, as fedora developer, delete opensuse's kde 3 kdelibs?" | 11:00 |
| jussi01 | o.O | 11:00 |
| fedoralogger | same thing | 11:01 |
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| fedoralogger | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuExtras | 11:37 |
| fedoralogger | always them things no one knows about | 11:37 |
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| robinp | I'm trying to install kdevelop from the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta repository however KPackageKit seems to keep getting stuck on downloading vlagrind. Anyone know what the problem might be ? | 11:57 |
| robinp | *valgrind | 11:58 |
| Riddell | stuck in what way? | 11:58 |
| robinp | Riddell: you jinxed me. It was just not downloading but as soon as you said something it started working again :/ | 12:01 |
| Riddell | robinp: beta was out recently so I think the servers have been busy | 12:05 |
| robinp | Riddell: kk np | 12:05 |
| markey | fedoralogger: yes, XMMS is C, but I plan to implement a C compiler in Ruby, and then put it in there, and then make the C compiler run a Ruby interpreter. that seems to be a simple solution | 12:20 |
| markey | I like simple solutions | 12:20 |
| markey | possibly also adding Visual Basic support | 12:20 |
| Mamarok | markey: could I has GW Basic, too? | 12:21 |
| markey | good idea! | 12:21 |
| markey | of course | 12:21 |
| Mamarok | and maybe dBase? | 12:21 |
| * Mamarok knows dBase | 12:21 | |
| markey | but we have to remove music playing. that's rather useless anyway | 12:22 |
| Mamarok | yeah, what was that for again? | 12:22 |
| markey | a silly idea, nothing more | 12:22 |
| markey | ultimately, I also want to put KMail in XMMS | 12:23 |
| markey | it could fit nicely in the playlist | 12:23 |
| Mamarok | markey: to play mails? | 12:30 |
| Riddell | how do I link a bug in launchpad to a KDE bug? | 12:33 |
| Riddell | hum, seemed to work now | 12:34 |
| ScottK | markey: They guy with the blog post was pointing at a bug about the Ubuntu theme while he was complaining about Kubuntu, so clearly he's confused. | 12:37 |
| ScottK | I do think there's a point about slowness with nepomuk or something. 4.4 is a lot slower on 1GB RAM than 4.3 was. | 12:38 |
| markey | ScottK: yep, the blog seemed rather bizarre. I wouldn't take it too seriously :) | 12:40 |
| ScottK | I considered leaving a sarcastic comment, but that would only lend it credence. | 12:40 |
| Riddell | ooh CDs don't have icon cache on them today and down to 661MB (even with french and german installed), nice | 12:47 |
| ghostcube | o/ | 13:01 |
| Riddell | agateau: I uploaded oxygen with nepomuk icon also in hicolour | 13:16 |
| Riddell | markey (agateau): how do I read this http://gitorious.org/amarok/amarok/commit/4089c5848702367146b7b441a1347be1720f9ee2 | 13:21 |
| Riddell | there's nothing saying what red or green means | 13:21 |
| shadeslayer | ok um.. the network management widget... it cant detect wifi networks,this is via the kubuntu experimental ppa | 13:24 |
| Riddell | is the kded enabled? | 13:25 |
| markey | Riddell: yeah, the colors are confusing. Red = removed. The green line is what stayed | 13:25 |
| markey | Riddell: I only removed the block above | 13:25 |
| markey | I can't even see the colors properly without shifting my screen slightly | 13:26 |
| markey | (I'm minimally color blind, and the colors they chose are probably the worst possible) | 13:26 |
| markey | Riddell: wait, I can show you a much better diff | 13:26 |
| markey | sec | 13:26 |
| markey | Riddell: | 13:27 |
| markey | http://kollide.net:8060/browse/Amarok-git/src/TrayIcon.cpp?r1=92cac9cfd40f67cc9c205a8ce3adba74e0343b10&r2=4089c5848702367146b7b441a1347be1720f9ee2 | 13:27 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: the load on demand service one? nope | 13:27 |
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| Riddell | markey: looks like we already have that in then, slotScrollRequired is just the one line http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu/05_kstatusnotifieritem.diff | 13:30 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: well, there you go | 13:30 |
| ScottK | Riddell: Did you plan on uploading kde4libs today? | 13:32 |
| Riddell | ScottK: nothing currently kde4libs-ish on my todo | 13:33 |
| markey | Riddell: yep, looks OK | 13:34 |
| ScottK | Riddell: OK. Jon Thomas put some worthwhile stuff in bzr. I'll maybe take a look at uploading this afternoon if no one else does first. | 13:34 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: so how do i enable it? | 13:35 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: instructions are in the original e-mail i sent to kubuntu-devel | 13:37 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: ok ill have to pull that out :D | 13:37 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: can you tell me which month you sent the email? | 13:40 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-March/004137.html | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: ah ok...i was browsing from the jaunary version | 13:42 |
| Riddell | dantti: ping | 13:42 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-devel-03-13.txt:[08:04] <glatzor> Riddell, I made some bug fixes to the 0.5.X branch of packagekit which are worth cherry picking. | 13:42 |
| dantti | Riddell: pong | 13:42 |
| Riddell | kubuntu-devel-03-13.txt:[08:04] <glatzor> Riddell, especially the fixes to the search and the encoding handling | 13:42 |
| Riddell | dantti: do you know where I can find those ^^ | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: thanks :D | 13:43 |
| dantti | Riddell: afaik it's about the last Pk version released today... | 13:43 |
| maco | um did knetworkmanager explode yesterday? i dont think i installed any updates for it (just for quassel) in the last week though... | 13:44 |
| dantti | Riddell: btw what do you think it's more important for aptcc, install .deb files or get distro upgrades? | 13:44 |
| Riddell | dantti: ah, there's a packagekit 0.5.8 which isn't listed on http://www.packagekit.org/pk-download.html | 13:45 |
| dantti | yup | 13:46 |
| Riddell | dantti: in lucid we're using kpackagekit for distro upgrade (karmic too although the update-notifier-kde is the main one) so we'd need to keep that | 13:46 |
| Riddell | install .deb files we can keep using our install-package script even though it's been on our list of things to get rid of for some time | 13:46 |
| Riddell | in general glatzor and mvo still need to be convinced about aptcc though, they know more about the issues than I do but I don't think they're convinced by it yet | 13:47 |
| dantti | Riddell: hmm but afaik python apt can install files.. | 13:47 |
| Riddell | of course if you come to UDS you can convince them :) | 13:47 |
| Riddell | dantti: yes kpackagekit can install .deb files using python apt backend which is nice, but mostly we havn't got around to porting things to using it yet | 13:48 |
| dantti | hehe, well I conviced myself this weekend while installing packages on a notebook with 1gb of ram.. :P | 13:49 |
| Riddell | dantti: I think kpackagekit can't do "apt-get update" which is needed for software-properties-kde and is another reason we can't get rid of our install-package script | 13:49 |
| dantti | Riddell: why It can't? | 13:49 |
| dantti | python apt does it (or did) the wrong way, since it didn't get localization of package descriptions | 13:50 |
| dantti | Riddell: btw did they fixed this issue in newer versions? | 13:50 |
| dantti | that was one of the first things aptcc did... :P | 13:51 |
| Riddell | dantti: why it can't do "apt-get update"? I don't think there's a command line for it is all, software-properties-kde needs a graphical way to call apt-get update | 13:51 |
| Riddell | dantti: I don't know, I've not looked into package translations | 13:51 |
| dantti | Riddell: I'm confused do you need a cmd line like kpackagekit --refresh-cache? | 13:52 |
| Riddell | dantti: yes | 13:52 |
| dantti | Riddell: that's quite easy to do.. :P iirc there is a dbus object for that too which one do you prefer? | 13:53 |
| Riddell | dantti: probably just a command line is easiest | 13:53 |
| dantti | org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon there is a RefreshCache but I can add a cmd line.. | 13:54 |
| dantti | s/there is/has | 13:54 |
| Riddell | dantti: nothing here qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon /org/freedesktop/PackageKit | grep -i cache | 13:55 |
| dantti | Riddell: is it running? | 13:55 |
| dantti | it's dbus activated | 13:55 |
| Riddell | dantti: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/n8rt8GbN yes | 13:56 |
| dantti | weird it's there for quite a while.. | 13:56 |
| dantti | Riddell: ah no there are two interfaces | 13:56 |
| dantti | that one is shared with gnome packagekit | 13:57 |
| Riddell | dantti: where is the other? | 13:58 |
| dantti | Riddell: if you open with qdbusviewer you will see | 13:59 |
| dantti | I'm trying to use this qdbus but no lucky yet | 13:59 |
| dantti | Riddell: qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon / | 14:00 |
| dantti | Riddell: no, qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon / org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon.RefreshCache | 14:01 |
| Riddell | ah "/" dbus can be confusing | 14:01 |
| Riddell | dantti: that's not quite what I'm after, the only GUI there is the systray icon, I'd like a dialogue with a progress bar | 14:02 |
| dantti | the only problem is what i've told you, you should check if python apt is now downloading the packages localizations.. | 14:02 |
| Riddell | dantti: this isn't high priority of course, we have install-package and it works for now :) | 14:02 |
| dantti | hmm | 14:02 |
| dantti | well that's easy to add too.. I'll just talk with richard what he thinks on adding it to gpk too | 14:03 |
| dantti | this way any pk tool could do it | 14:03 |
| shadeslayer | upgrades...yayyy | 14:12 |
| maco | possibly knm just freaks out if you've pressed the rf kill button at some point? ive had "networking is disabled" coming from it since i pressed that switch yesterday, through 4 reboots | 14:15 |
| Riddell | maco: neither network-manager nor knetworkmanager have been updated since a week before beta | 14:16 |
| maco | ok then i think i found a bug in knm | 14:17 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: choqok released their beta version,will this get into the repo? | 14:17 |
| shadeslayer | ( the main one ) | 14:17 |
| maco | it refuses to use network devices after the rf kill switch has been used, *evar* | 14:17 |
| Riddell | shadeslayer: if someone packages it, gets it tested and it passes feature freze requirements | 14:17 |
| * shadeslayer thinks.... | 14:17 | |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: oh and kcm touchpad is very buggy | 14:18 |
| Riddell | maco: try killing it and rm ~/.kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc then restarting | 14:18 |
| Riddell | that'll tell us if it's knetworkmanager's fault or network-manager | 14:18 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: apparently tapping works in KDM but not after logging in | 14:18 |
| maco | Riddell: is that gonna lose all my saved wpa keys? | 14:19 |
| Riddell | maco: they should be in kwallet but it may lose other details, move it aside rather than remove it if you care about them | 14:20 |
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| maco | ew battery level tooltips in ubuntu went away? | 15:08 |
| maco | ScottK, seele: thanks for convincing me to switch to kubuntu | 15:08 |
| ScottK | ;-) | 15:08 |
| nigelb | maco: I might switch. I'm missing that quite a lot | 15:11 |
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| dpm | Riddell, in Catalan we'd like to have the 'ca@valencia' translations in the same language pack as 'ca', as in the gnome language pack. I still have to check if other teams using variants also prefer to have it like this. But in any case, how can we do this, shall I just open a bug? | 15:51 |
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| fedoralogger | dpm: shoulnt that be done in rosetta/lang-pack build scripts? | 16:44 |
| dpm | hi fedoralogger, it actually is, but there is a bit missing. Kubuntu translations are a bit different in the sense that apart from the translations in language packs, they need the kde-l10n-$LOCALE packages installed as well. This is the part I meant: having the kde-l10n-$LOCALE and kde-l10n-$LOCALE-variant packages merged into one (I think that part is the one the kubuntu packaging tools do) | 16:48 |
| fedoralogger | hm | 16:48 |
| fedoralogger | dpm: in that case language-selector should map ca@valencia to ca | 16:48 |
| fedoralogger | because doing it in the source package would make them a lot more difficult to manipulate via scripting magic | 16:49 |
| jussi01 | fedoralogger: that nick really doesnt suit you... can we have our apachelogger back? :D | 16:52 |
| dpm | fedoralogger, well if it has to make packaging more difficult, we might as well leave them as they are. I just wanted to ensure that they are installed with the main locale's packages, since I remember we had problems with that not being the case at some point in Karmic. I'll just have to re-check that they are indeed installed together. | 16:53 |
| fedoralogger | dpm: making langauge-selector install kde-l10n-ca and kde-l10n-cavalencia if the ca language pack is a lot easier to archive and ultimately leads to the same result | 16:54 |
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| apachelogger | I read Harald's last post about Kubuntu. It's good to see that the situation is being finally acknowledged by some of the people in the Kubuntu team. Kubuntu is the blue-headed step-child. | 16:55 |
| apachelogger | the fuck | 16:55 |
| apachelogger | srsly | 16:55 |
| dpm | apachelogger, ok, I'm happy with that, thanks for the info. | 16:56 |
| apachelogger | dpm: just poke arne, I am sure he can make that happen in no time :) | 16:57 |
| dpm | apachelogger, yeah, I think in fact it does happen, that was fixed at some point. I just need to re-check it is the case on a new Lucid installation. | 16:58 |
| apachelogger | k | 16:59 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: yeah, i read that and commented, as he said I was in denial about the blue-headed-step-child ordeal. does he not realize that I coined that term on buntudot.org in 2005 | 17:01 |
| apachelogger | his blog posts are always heavily undereducated and a big blah IIRC | 17:02 |
| maco | wait im confused | 17:02 |
| maco | i thought apachelogger = harald | 17:02 |
| maco | apachelogger: whats your name? | 17:02 |
| apachelogger | maco: it continues that previously the team was in denial referencing rich's post about the step-child business | 17:04 |
| apachelogger | whereas I am not in denial because I obviously unveild canonical's evil game! | 17:04 |
| maco | apachelogger: are you not harald, or do you like referring to yourself in the 3rd person? | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | maco: that was a quote | 17:05 |
| maco | apachelogger: ooooooh | 17:05 |
| apachelogger | http://soliverez.com.ar/drupal/node/166 | 17:06 |
| apachelogger | shtylman: it took me half an hour to start installation on a dell mini 10 today | 17:12 |
| apachelogger | couldnt find out why since I was running in installer-only mode | 17:12 |
| debfx | could someone test an updated brightness osd patch that should bring it back to life? :) | 17:30 |
| debfx | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff | 17:30 |
| debfx | mainly I need to know if the osd isn't shown when the brightness is changed through the battery applet | 17:31 |
| shadeslayer | oh btw just so that you know : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/541868 : i changed this to kcm-touchpad | 17:32 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 541868 in kcm-touchpad "Synaptic touchpad has soft lockups in lucid" [Undecided,New] | 17:32 |
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| lex79 | Riddell: soprano 2.4.1 https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa | 18:25 |
| shtylman | apachelogger: jesus... really? is this with latest cd images? | 18:38 |
| apachelogger | shtylman: no, beta1 from stick | 18:38 |
| shtylman | wow | 18:38 |
| apachelogger | but it has been like that earlier too | 18:38 |
| shtylman | was it using alot of cpu? | 18:38 |
| shtylman | what was the problem? | 18:38 |
| shtylman | ram? | 18:39 |
| apachelogger | I would think CPU really, I cant tell, I'll try to reproduce it tomorrow | 18:39 |
| apachelogger | there was no usb nor disk acitivity | 18:39 |
| apachelogger | so it either was cpu or ram | 18:39 |
| shtylman | hmm... cpu bug should have been fixed | 18:39 |
| shtylman | maybe the package didn't make it for the beta | 18:39 |
| shtylman | but should have | 18:39 |
| apachelogger | I can try with latest image if you want | 18:39 |
| shtylman | yea... try that... cause it deff should not be like that | 18:40 |
| shtylman | anyone have any good suggestions for open source tools to do widespread file distribution? | 19:08 |
| shtylman | basically a glorified rsync maybe? | 19:08 |
| shadeslayer | shtylman: torrents :P | 19:13 |
| shadeslayer | jk :D | 19:13 |
| shtylman | well.. yes... that is one possibility... : http://github.com/lg/murder/ | 19:14 |
| shtylman | but... I don't think I need something on that level | 19:14 |
| shadeslayer | shtylman: theres was something called opencloud... | 19:15 |
| shadeslayer | but idk if it works for sharing files and stuff | 19:15 |
| shtylman | I see | 19:15 |
| shadeslayer | shtylman: its ownCloud actually | 19:16 |
| shadeslayer | shtylman: http://gitorious.org/owncloud/ | 19:16 |
| shtylman | k... I will have to check that out | 19:17 |
| shadeslayer | shtylman: yeah its a cloud server... enables file sharing and stuff.. *and* its based on kde libs | 19:17 |
| shtylman | that part I don't really care about :) | 19:17 |
| apachelogger | why would a server be based on kdelibs? | 19:18 |
| shtylman | sounds like a webserver with ssh to me | 19:18 |
| shadeslayer | hehe...well its going to be integrated into kde... so thats just an added advantage i guess | 19:18 |
| shadeslayer | apachelogger: idk... | 19:18 |
| shtylman | not what I want | 19:18 |
| shadeslayer | i heard about it a few weeks ago.. | 19:18 |
| shadeslayer | shtylman: well use the open bit-torrent tracker then :D | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | shtylman: my analysis tools say it is not even containing any cpp | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | so I doubt it is based on kdelibs | 19:19 |
| apachelogger | you might be misinformed | 19:19 |
| shadeslayer | yeah probably.... | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | ok well ive gtg.. | 19:20 |
| shadeslayer | bye :) | 19:20 |
| ScottK | Is amarok going to be patched to support the Ubuntu music store? http://popey.com/blog/2010/03/22/ubuntu-one-music-store-public-beta-begins/ | 19:37 |
| maco | ScottK: there's a plugin already in existence, i thought? | 19:37 |
| ScottK | maco: For amarok? | 19:37 |
| maco | yeah... ithought one of popey's older blog posts said that | 19:37 |
| JontheEchidna | I think he was more talking about potential for a plugin | 19:39 |
| nixternal | right, there is no plugin yet, unless apachelogger has it hiding somewhere | 19:40 |
| jjesse | has anyone got ubuntu one to work in kubuntu lucid? | 19:40 |
| jjesse | i installed everything named ubuntuone on my vm and still no joy | 19:41 |
| * apachelogger strips naked | 19:41 | |
| apachelogger | nothing hiden! | 19:41 |
| nixternal | haven't tried.... apachelogger had put together a hack/app to get u1 in kubuntu | 19:41 |
| * ScottK dons goggles. | 19:41 | |
| * apachelogger needs to apply at canonical first | 19:41 | |
| nixternal | apachelogger: +1 :) | 19:41 |
| jjesse | i got it to work in karmic at one time | 19:42 |
| maco | JontheEchidna: yeah youre right | 19:42 |
| nixternal | Ubuntu Desktop Display and Input Engineer - Xorg | 19:42 |
| nixternal | Ubuntu Desktop Display and Input Engineer (Network) | 19:42 |
| nixternal | Ubuntu Desktop Engineer - GTK | 19:42 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger + job at canonical + year's supply of alcohol == ruby code to generate Ubuntu One Music plugin for all music players | 19:42 |
| nixternal | Ubuntu Desktop Sound Engineer | 19:42 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: ^^ any of those fit? | 19:42 |
| apachelogger | I could get cracking with GTK | 19:43 |
| * apachelogger loves c anyway :D | 19:43 | |
| apachelogger | then again that kind of GTK engineer must only do python | 19:43 |
| nixternal | that's what kubuntu devs in the past did...once they realized there was no potential for employment, they started using gnome | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | ^^ | 19:43 |
| jjesse | hahaha | 19:43 |
| jjesse | +1 nixternal | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | I can always apply at kdab :P | 19:43 |
| apachelogger | move away from that silly stepchild stuff all together | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | then again | 19:44 |
| yuriy_ | is it just me or is there no way to put a plasmoid (nemely the message indicator) in the systray? | 19:44 |
| ScottK | jjesse: After I upgraded my netbook from Karmic -> Lucid I lost the Broadcom wireless drivers and had to reinstall them. | 19:44 |
| apachelogger | I recently got scared quite a bit when I saw how many KDE devs are working for kdab these days | 19:45 |
| jjesse | ScottK: jockey says they are enabled | 19:45 |
| apachelogger | yuriy_: only possible in lucid | 19:45 |
| ScottK | OK. Different than the problem I had. | 19:45 |
| jjesse | will try to reinstall tonight when get home | 19:45 |
| jjesse | the drivers that is | 19:45 |
| nixternal | i think for most of us here now, we aren't looking for employment with canonical, and have just come to love Kubuntu so much | 19:46 |
| apachelogger | love aint gonna pay bills though | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | neither is proofing leibniz right | 19:48 |
| apachelogger | yet I have to do it -.- | 19:48 |
| ScottK | They say that love will find a way .... | 19:48 |
| maco | :P | 19:48 |
| nixternal | hahaha | 19:51 |
| nixternal | what's love got to do, got to do with it | 19:51 |
| nixternal | who needs a heart when a heart can be broken | 19:51 |
| maco | meatloaf time yet? so now i'm prayin for the end of time.. | 19:51 |
| nixternal | what's love but a second hand emotion | 19:54 |
| nixternal | damn, tina turner makes you wanna go all ike turner on this place :p | 19:54 |
| apachelogger | oh my, better help me find my notes on congruence classes or whatever those might be called in english :P | 19:55 |
| nixternal | hehe | 19:55 |
| nixternal | right now I am trying to design, well not design yet but figure out, a much better help system | 19:55 |
| nixternal | KHelpCenter blows arse, and after hanging out with Shaun McCance this weekend and seeing what he is doing with Yelp 3.0 for GNOME, I am envious | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | rm -rf khelpecenter => 100% improvement | 19:56 |
| nixternal | and then to see what Mac has done for help, holy hell that was bad ass | 19:56 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: yup | 19:56 |
| nixternal | rm -rf khtml too | 19:56 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: I would go derive the qt help thingy and build up on that | 19:57 |
| JontheEchidna | bbl | 19:57 |
| nixternal | seriously, khtml codebase is so freakin' confusing, that I would rather write an entire documentation implementation for webkit | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9dpTTpjymE | 19:57 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: qt-assistance is garbage too | 19:57 |
| apachelogger | nixternal: well, so it needs fixing and khc needs fixing | 19:57 |
| nixternal | a help app shouldn't need to be full screen with an insanely large index on the left side...Yelp is compact, so you can see around it | 19:58 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: and that's what I have been playing with, though fixing isn't the word I would use | 19:58 |
| nixternal | hell, I wouldn't even recycle this crap, forget mother earth on this one, she can have it! | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | omg!!! | 19:58 |
| apachelogger | but khc got fancy perl scripting internals :P | 19:58 |
| * apachelogger finds that the most weird part about khc really | 19:59 | |
| apachelogger | though I can see its advantages | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | well | 19:59 |
| apachelogger | the once it had at some point for a developer ^^ | 19:59 |
| nixternal | this weekend we also had the Flourish Open Source conference, and they had a Women In Open Source panel with one of BSDs leaders, which I have just totally forgotten her name...I am waiting for the video because I missed it, but I heard it was an amazing talk/panel | 19:59 |
| nixternal | apachelogger: perl scripting and shell scripting, and hell even scripting with c++ | 20:00 |
| nixternal | "meinproc << "--xslt foo.xsl" << "--outfile foo.html" << "--cache index.cache.bz2"; | 20:00 |
| apachelogger | In computer science, it is the remainder operator that is usually indicated by either "%" (e.g. in C, Java, Javascript, and Python) or "mod" (e.g. in SQL, Visual Basic, Haskell), with exceptions (e.g. Excel). These operators are commonly pronounced as "mod", but it is specifically a remainder that is computed (since in C99 negative number will be returned if the first argument is negative, and in Python a negative number will be returned | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | if the second argument is negative). The function modulo instead of mod, like 38 ≡ 14 (modulo 12) is sometimes used to indicate the common residue rather than a remainder (e.g. in Ruby). | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | yay | 20:01 |
| yuriy_ | apachelogger: i'm on lucid. i can't seem to drag it in there or anything | 20:01 |
| yuriy_ | oh you have to do it in teh systray settings | 20:01 |
| yuriy_ | unintuitive | 20:01 |
| apachelogger | on Z/nZ : a_n+b+n=(a+b)_n | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | that actually makes sense | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | yuriy_: no draggery | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | yuriy_: well, the plasma devs where wicked in applying their containment paradigm everywhere | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | but they forgot about one rather important part where you could drag stuff ;) | 20:02 |
| yuriy_ | everything else in plasma is draggery | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | fail of paradigm obviously | 20:02 |
| apachelogger | they should have derived :P | 20:03 |
| yuriy_ | now the other issue is that now that it's in the systray it gives me a message about needing to run an indicator enabled app even though i have kmail running and configured to use it | 20:04 |
| nixternal | anyone hiring a "realistic unmotivated opportunistic"? | 20:05 |
| nixternal | I think that should be an eminem song | 20:05 |
| yuriy_ | it scares me that my computer would be completely unusable right now without quad core | 20:08 |
| yuriy_ | top is showing consistently 6-10 processes with double digit cpu usage | 20:08 |
| seele | Nightrose: love the streak in your hair..is that new? | 20:12 |
| Nightrose | seele: ;-) old actually | 20:13 |
| Nightrose | should do it again | 20:13 |
| seele | hehe | 20:13 |
| * maco wonders if a coloured streak of hair will be come kde gal uniform | 20:13 | |
| Nightrose | definitely | 20:13 |
| Nightrose | it's hip! | 20:13 |
| maco | afaik there are no photos of me with punk rock red hair in existence | 20:13 |
| Nightrose | awwww | 20:13 |
| maco | mum failed *miserably* at making streaks | 20:14 |
| === yuriy_ is now known as yuriy | ||
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: seen kde svn 1105780? | 21:52 |
| ubottu | http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1105780&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1105780 | Some MySQL versions need an explicit run of mysql_install_db when creating the database initially. So, let's do that if mysql... | 21:52 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: yes I requested | 21:53 |
| JontheEchidna | neat | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: feel free to try creating a patch for akonadi 1.3.1 | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | because trunk is not even remotely related to 1.3.1 :P | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: neoclust might have done that already though | 21:53 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/QtiqB11A | 21:55 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: know where mdv hides all their packaging goodies? | 21:55 |
| apachelogger | in their svn :P | 21:55 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: also we need another patch for updates it seems | 21:55 |
| apachelogger | I do hate mysql very much | 21:55 |
| apachelogger | it is like the python of databases -.- | 21:56 |
| JontheEchidna | what is the patch you pastebin'd | 21:56 |
| JontheEchidna | ? | 21:56 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: for new databases | 21:57 |
| JontheEchidna | "make things not break for new databases"? | 21:57 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: yes | 21:58 |
| JontheEchidna | and then we'll still need a patch for "make existing databases not break"? | 21:58 |
| apachelogger | yes | 21:58 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: but please try that first | 21:59 |
| JontheEchidna | k | 21:59 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: volker did a fix yesterday and neoclust only did that backport attemt | 21:59 |
| apachelogger | also | 21:59 |
| apachelogger | ALSO | 21:59 |
| apachelogger | a) someone needs to subscribe to kde-pim ml because they apparently want to start a akonadi deployment issue thread | 21:59 |
| apachelogger | b) akonadi might gain sqlite support | 21:59 |
| apachelogger | c) I still hate mysql, can we please use psql? | 21:59 |
| JontheEchidna | sounds like you're the expert. I don't know much about such things | 22:00 |
| apachelogger | meh | 22:03 |
| JontheEchidna | anywayz, pbuildin' | 22:03 |
| ScottK | It's a given that apachelogger is the expert. The question is can he be motivated to bring his awesomeness to bear on the problem. | 22:05 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: ftbfs | 22:07 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: logy | 22:08 |
| JontheEchidna | apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1849720 | 22:08 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: happy debugging | 22:12 |
| apachelogger | me recommends building outside pbuilder first ;) | 22:12 |
| apachelogger | jtechidna: it seems that paste thingy returns invalid patches | 23:03 |
| apachelogger | manual patching seems to work | 23:03 |
| apachelogger | compiling outside pbuilder now | 23:03 |
| apachelogger | http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/kubuntu_01_fix_init.diff | 23:06 |
| apachelogger | jtechidna: works like a charm | 23:14 |
| jtechidna | apachelogger: neat | 23:22 |
| === jtechidna is now known as JontheEchidna | ||
| * JontheEchidna in windoze playing sim city 3000 | 23:22 | |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: the update_db patch can probably be incorportaed into that | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | ALSO | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | JontheEchidna: we need major changes to the mysql packages going with that | 23:22 |
| apachelogger | the two scripts depend on quite a bit of magic and must be moved to the -core package | 23:23 |
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