[00:00] JontheEchidna: please take a look at bug 212796 [00:00] Launchpad bug 212796 in kubuntu-default-settings "Kubuntu lacks default key bindings for Switch One Desktop Down/Up/etc" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/212796 [00:00] * fedoralogger doesnt think we should set that [00:00] also ctrl+alt+arrow is used in various apps [00:20] fedoralogger: what does? O_o [00:22] *shrug* [00:22] I have a feeling I use that shortcut at times [00:23] or used maybe [00:23] ctrl+alt+arrows is what compiz uses [00:23] ive never *heard* of it colliding with anything [00:23] compiz collieds with all sorts of things [00:23] mostly it just stays unnoticed :P [00:24] i.e. it used to collide with ooo for years on some rather unused shortcut [00:24] * Sput has been using ctrl+alt+arrows for desktop switching for a decade [00:24] hm [00:24] can't remember it ever having collide [00:24] d [00:24] yeah the non-default plugins sometimes do [00:24] in that case [00:24] lets bring it to upstreams attention! [00:24] but the desktop switch ive never heard of a collision [00:24] ooo does WEIRD shortcuts, btw. try F11. it's NOT fullscreen! wtf? [00:25] f11 is not fullscreen in a lot of kde apps either :P [00:25] do those ones *have* fullscreen at all? [00:27] for OOo, f11 is "styles" and fullscreen is something else that doesnt fit any hig that im aware of [00:29] F11 was styles already back when it was still Star Office [00:29] which predates KDE :) [00:31] hm. now I feel old again. [00:31] * fedoralogger wants a machine that goes "bing" [00:37] wow [00:37] thats old [00:37] i was a gnome user when i noticed the f11 weirdness. gnome and i think kde both say f11=fullscreen, and windows does too i'm sure [00:38] maco: I do not think KDE's hig says f11 for fullscreen [00:38] i'll go look [00:38] if so then I would know more apps that violate that guideline than those following it ^^ [00:38] i was assuming it since it seems to be default elsewhere [00:39] http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/Keyboard_Shortcuts [00:39] yes, the hig says fullscreen = f11 [00:41] konsole doesnt follow that [00:41] neither does kaffeine, dragon or bangaran IIRC [00:41] in fact only konqueror and rekonq come to mind regarding f11 for fullscreen [00:41] though those also support ctrl+shift+f IIRC, [00:42] which seems to be more an established standard than f11 [00:42] krdc also does use ctrl+shift+f and not f11 [00:43] same for okular [00:44] seele: ^ I think the f11 for shortcut paradigm should either be enforced within core KDE software or exchanged with ctrl+shift+f [00:45] latter seems to be the better choice because konsole for example cant use f11 at any rate because it might conflict with CLI shortcuts [04:18] whew, so good to be back home [04:18] I am going to sleep for 2 days I think === nixternal_ is now known as Guest87737 [07:57] what -dbg package do I have to install to get a valid backtrace for Dolphin? I have repeated crashes when copying [08:00] there is non for dolphin, shouldn't there be one? [08:00] none* [08:00] Loaded 4.4.1 on 9.10 (Kubuntu_64) and now my workspace is crashing on login. Black desktop with no UI [08:01] Are there dbgsym ddebs? [08:01] If there's *neither* -dbg nor ddebs, it's an issue, but often there are ddebs when there is no -dbg [08:05] persia: ddebs? Never heard of :) [08:07] They're all housed at http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/ [08:07] I'll give you a wiki page if I can find it that talks about them. [08:08] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash [08:11] persia: thanks a lot :) [08:59] sebas: hey :) [08:59] Seeing this bug all over again on 4.4.1 on Ubuntu_64_9.10 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225341 [08:59] KDE bug 225341 in general "Plasma Workspace (kdeinit4), signal: Segmentation fault [KCrash Handler]" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] [08:59] sebas: I found out a little bug in the plasmoid [09:00] sebas: as some points when it starts up, I see the list of all available networks, and the button on the bottom shows "show more", which means I should only see the known networks [09:00] I have to click on show more, then show less, and then I get something "normal" [09:00] I'll take a screenshot next time it happens... [09:30] Mamarok: kdebase-dbg [10:19] fedoralogger: thanks, I just added all -dbg packages for the base system [10:37] gah gah [10:38] the new Nvidia driver really hates me [10:38] crashed again :( [10:38] oh well, restarting KDE once in a while fixes memory leaks nicely ;) [10:38] fedoralogger: heh, what's up with your nick? :) [10:44] feel like reading some FUD? it is pretty nasty, so maybe better not read it: http://sandeep.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/ubuntu-lucid-worst-ever-kde-4-4-1-slowest-ever/ [10:44] "Instead what we have is an OS with a weird unusable theme" [10:44] it didn't look unsable to me [10:45] unusable even [10:50] * jussi01 giglles at that article... surely he cant be serious... [10:53] sure he can! [10:53] markey: nixternal unveild that I was secretly in love with fedora, so now I am fedora developer [10:53] ah, heh [10:54] a double agent [10:54] not anymore [10:54] I secretly work on XMMS, btw [10:54] xmms2 is the gnome! [10:54] wants to install a billion packages [10:54] nah, the _real_ XMMS, version 0.6 [10:54] all later versions were crap [10:55] it's my favorite player [10:55] it's funny to try pushing the fixed size buttons on a display with high DPI :p [10:56] hm [10:56] is xmms written in C? [10:56] if so I could join you... that cpp business is getting annoying :P [10:58] latest newsgroup posting is about whether instance N of class A ought to delete instance B of class C, even though B is not on the heap and not even created by N [10:59] fedoralogger: shhh, you are making us look insane... oh whoops :P [11:00] srsly [11:00] "should I, as fedora developer, delete opensuse's kde 3 kdelibs?" [11:00] o.O [11:01] same thing === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [11:37] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuExtras [11:37] always them things no one knows about === ghostcube_ is now known as ghostcube [11:57] I'm trying to install kdevelop from the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta repository however KPackageKit seems to keep getting stuck on downloading vlagrind. Anyone know what the problem might be ? [11:58] *valgrind [11:58] stuck in what way? [12:01] Riddell: you jinxed me. It was just not downloading but as soon as you said something it started working again :/ [12:05] robinp: beta was out recently so I think the servers have been busy [12:05] Riddell: kk np [12:20] fedoralogger: yes, XMMS is C, but I plan to implement a C compiler in Ruby, and then put it in there, and then make the C compiler run a Ruby interpreter. that seems to be a simple solution [12:20] I like simple solutions [12:20] possibly also adding Visual Basic support [12:21] markey: could I has GW Basic, too? [12:21] good idea! [12:21] of course [12:21] and maybe dBase? [12:21] * Mamarok knows dBase [12:22] but we have to remove music playing. that's rather useless anyway [12:22] yeah, what was that for again? [12:22] a silly idea, nothing more [12:23] ultimately, I also want to put KMail in XMMS [12:23] it could fit nicely in the playlist [12:30] markey: to play mails? [12:33] how do I link a bug in launchpad to a KDE bug? [12:34] hum, seemed to work now [12:37] markey: They guy with the blog post was pointing at a bug about the Ubuntu theme while he was complaining about Kubuntu, so clearly he's confused. [12:38] I do think there's a point about slowness with nepomuk or something. 4.4 is a lot slower on 1GB RAM than 4.3 was. [12:40] ScottK: yep, the blog seemed rather bizarre. I wouldn't take it too seriously :) [12:40] I considered leaving a sarcastic comment, but that would only lend it credence. [12:47] ooh CDs don't have icon cache on them today and down to 661MB (even with french and german installed), nice [13:01] o/ [13:16] agateau: I uploaded oxygen with nepomuk icon also in hicolour [13:21] markey (agateau): how do I read this http://gitorious.org/amarok/amarok/commit/4089c5848702367146b7b441a1347be1720f9ee2 [13:21] there's nothing saying what red or green means [13:24] ok um.. the network management widget... it cant detect wifi networks,this is via the kubuntu experimental ppa [13:25] is the kded enabled? [13:25] Riddell: yeah, the colors are confusing. Red = removed. The green line is what stayed [13:25] Riddell: I only removed the block above [13:26] I can't even see the colors properly without shifting my screen slightly [13:26] (I'm minimally color blind, and the colors they chose are probably the worst possible) [13:26] Riddell: wait, I can show you a much better diff [13:26] sec [13:27] Riddell: [13:27] http://kollide.net:8060/browse/Amarok-git/src/TrayIcon.cpp?r1=92cac9cfd40f67cc9c205a8ce3adba74e0343b10&r2=4089c5848702367146b7b441a1347be1720f9ee2 [13:27] Riddell: the load on demand service one? nope === jonathan_ is now known as jjesse [13:30] markey: looks like we already have that in then, slotScrollRequired is just the one line http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu/05_kstatusnotifieritem.diff [13:30] shadeslayer: well, there you go [13:32] Riddell: Did you plan on uploading kde4libs today? [13:33] ScottK: nothing currently kde4libs-ish on my todo [13:34] Riddell: yep, looks OK [13:34] Riddell: OK. Jon Thomas put some worthwhile stuff in bzr. I'll maybe take a look at uploading this afternoon if no one else does first. [13:35] Riddell: so how do i enable it? [13:37] shadeslayer: instructions are in the original e-mail i sent to kubuntu-devel [13:37] Riddell: ok ill have to pull that out :D [13:40] Riddell: can you tell me which month you sent the email? [13:41] shadeslayer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-March/004137.html [13:42] Riddell: ah ok...i was browsing from the jaunary version [13:42] dantti: ping [13:42] kubuntu-devel-03-13.txt:[08:04] Riddell, I made some bug fixes to the 0.5.X branch of packagekit which are worth cherry picking. [13:42] Riddell: pong [13:42] kubuntu-devel-03-13.txt:[08:04] Riddell, especially the fixes to the search and the encoding handling [13:42] dantti: do you know where I can find those ^^ [13:43] Riddell: thanks :D [13:43] Riddell: afaik it's about the last Pk version released today... [13:44] um did knetworkmanager explode yesterday? i dont think i installed any updates for it (just for quassel) in the last week though... [13:44] Riddell: btw what do you think it's more important for aptcc, install .deb files or get distro upgrades? [13:45] dantti: ah, there's a packagekit 0.5.8 which isn't listed on http://www.packagekit.org/pk-download.html [13:46] yup [13:46] dantti: in lucid we're using kpackagekit for distro upgrade (karmic too although the update-notifier-kde is the main one) so we'd need to keep that [13:46] install .deb files we can keep using our install-package script even though it's been on our list of things to get rid of for some time [13:47] in general glatzor and mvo still need to be convinced about aptcc though, they know more about the issues than I do but I don't think they're convinced by it yet [13:47] Riddell: hmm but afaik python apt can install files.. [13:47] of course if you come to UDS you can convince them :) [13:48] dantti: yes kpackagekit can install .deb files using python apt backend which is nice, but mostly we havn't got around to porting things to using it yet [13:49] hehe, well I conviced myself this weekend while installing packages on a notebook with 1gb of ram.. :P [13:49] dantti: I think kpackagekit can't do "apt-get update" which is needed for software-properties-kde and is another reason we can't get rid of our install-package script [13:49] Riddell: why It can't? [13:50] python apt does it (or did) the wrong way, since it didn't get localization of package descriptions [13:50] Riddell: btw did they fixed this issue in newer versions? [13:51] that was one of the first things aptcc did... :P [13:51] dantti: why it can't do "apt-get update"? I don't think there's a command line for it is all, software-properties-kde needs a graphical way to call apt-get update [13:51] dantti: I don't know, I've not looked into package translations [13:52] Riddell: I'm confused do you need a cmd line like kpackagekit --refresh-cache? [13:52] dantti: yes [13:53] Riddell: that's quite easy to do.. :P iirc there is a dbus object for that too which one do you prefer? [13:53] dantti: probably just a command line is easiest [13:54] org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon there is a RefreshCache but I can add a cmd line.. [13:54] s/there is/has [13:55] dantti: nothing here qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon /org/freedesktop/PackageKit | grep -i cache [13:55] Riddell: is it running? [13:55] it's dbus activated [13:56] dantti: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/n8rt8GbN yes [13:56] weird it's there for quite a while.. [13:56] Riddell: ah no there are two interfaces [13:57] that one is shared with gnome packagekit [13:58] dantti: where is the other? [13:59] Riddell: if you open with qdbusviewer you will see [13:59] I'm trying to use this qdbus but no lucky yet [14:00] Riddell: qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon / [14:01] Riddell: no, qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon / org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon.RefreshCache [14:01] ah "/" dbus can be confusing [14:02] dantti: that's not quite what I'm after, the only GUI there is the systray icon, I'd like a dialogue with a progress bar [14:02] the only problem is what i've told you, you should check if python apt is now downloading the packages localizations.. [14:02] dantti: this isn't high priority of course, we have install-package and it works for now :) [14:02] hmm [14:03] well that's easy to add too.. I'll just talk with richard what he thinks on adding it to gpk too [14:03] this way any pk tool could do it [14:12] upgrades...yayyy [14:15] possibly knm just freaks out if you've pressed the rf kill button at some point? ive had "networking is disabled" coming from it since i pressed that switch yesterday, through 4 reboots [14:16] maco: neither network-manager nor knetworkmanager have been updated since a week before beta [14:17] ok then i think i found a bug in knm [14:17] Riddell: choqok released their beta version,will this get into the repo? [14:17] ( the main one ) [14:17] it refuses to use network devices after the rf kill switch has been used, *evar* [14:17] shadeslayer: if someone packages it, gets it tested and it passes feature freze requirements [14:17] * shadeslayer thinks.... [14:18] Riddell: oh and kcm touchpad is very buggy [14:18] maco: try killing it and rm ~/.kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc then restarting [14:18] that'll tell us if it's knetworkmanager's fault or network-manager [14:18] Riddell: apparently tapping works in KDM but not after logging in [14:19] Riddell: is that gonna lose all my saved wpa keys? [14:20] maco: they should be in kwallet but it may lose other details, move it aside rather than remove it if you care about them === kubotu_ is now known as kubotu === steveire_ is now known as steveire === seele_ is now known as seele === hunger_t is now known as hunger [15:08] ew battery level tooltips in ubuntu went away? [15:08] ScottK, seele: thanks for convincing me to switch to kubuntu [15:08] ;-) [15:11] maco: I might switch. I'm missing that quite a lot === shadeslayer is now known as shadeslayer_ === debfx_ is now known as debfx [15:51] Riddell, in Catalan we'd like to have the 'ca@valencia' translations in the same language pack as 'ca', as in the gnome language pack. I still have to check if other teams using variants also prefer to have it like this. But in any case, how can we do this, shall I just open a bug? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:44] dpm: shoulnt that be done in rosetta/lang-pack build scripts? [16:48] hi fedoralogger, it actually is, but there is a bit missing. Kubuntu translations are a bit different in the sense that apart from the translations in language packs, they need the kde-l10n-$LOCALE packages installed as well. This is the part I meant: having the kde-l10n-$LOCALE and kde-l10n-$LOCALE-variant packages merged into one (I think that part is the one the kubuntu packaging tools do) [16:48] hm [16:48] dpm: in that case language-selector should map ca@valencia to ca [16:49] because doing it in the source package would make them a lot more difficult to manipulate via scripting magic [16:52] fedoralogger: that nick really doesnt suit you... can we have our apachelogger back? :D [16:53] fedoralogger, well if it has to make packaging more difficult, we might as well leave them as they are. I just wanted to ensure that they are installed with the main locale's packages, since I remember we had problems with that not being the case at some point in Karmic. I'll just have to re-check that they are indeed installed together. [16:54] dpm: making langauge-selector install kde-l10n-ca and kde-l10n-cavalencia if the ca language pack is a lot easier to archive and ultimately leads to the same result === fedoralogger is now known as apachelogger [16:55] I read Harald's last post about Kubuntu. It's good to see that the situation is being finally acknowledged by some of the people in the Kubuntu team. Kubuntu is the blue-headed step-child. [16:55] the fuck [16:55] srsly [16:56] apachelogger, ok, I'm happy with that, thanks for the info. [16:57] dpm: just poke arne, I am sure he can make that happen in no time :) [16:58] apachelogger, yeah, I think in fact it does happen, that was fixed at some point. I just need to re-check it is the case on a new Lucid installation. [16:59] k [17:01] apachelogger: yeah, i read that and commented, as he said I was in denial about the blue-headed-step-child ordeal. does he not realize that I coined that term on buntudot.org in 2005 [17:02] his blog posts are always heavily undereducated and a big blah IIRC [17:02] wait im confused [17:02] i thought apachelogger = harald [17:02] apachelogger: whats your name? [17:04] maco: it continues that previously the team was in denial referencing rich's post about the step-child business [17:04] whereas I am not in denial because I obviously unveild canonical's evil game! [17:05] apachelogger: are you not harald, or do you like referring to yourself in the 3rd person? [17:05] maco: that was a quote [17:05] apachelogger: ooooooh [17:06] http://soliverez.com.ar/drupal/node/166 [17:12] shtylman: it took me half an hour to start installation on a dell mini 10 today [17:12] couldnt find out why since I was running in installer-only mode [17:30] could someone test an updated brightness osd patch that should bring it back to life? :) [17:30] http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff [17:31] mainly I need to know if the osd isn't shown when the brightness is changed through the battery applet [17:32] oh btw just so that you know : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/541868 : i changed this to kcm-touchpad [17:32] Ubuntu bug 541868 in kcm-touchpad "Synaptic touchpad has soft lockups in lucid" [Undecided,New] === jonathan_ is now known as jjesse [18:25] Riddell: soprano 2.4.1 https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa [18:38] apachelogger: jesus... really? is this with latest cd images? [18:38] shtylman: no, beta1 from stick [18:38] wow [18:38] but it has been like that earlier too [18:38] was it using alot of cpu? [18:38] what was the problem? [18:39] ram? [18:39] I would think CPU really, I cant tell, I'll try to reproduce it tomorrow [18:39] there was no usb nor disk acitivity [18:39] so it either was cpu or ram [18:39] hmm... cpu bug should have been fixed [18:39] maybe the package didn't make it for the beta [18:39] but should have [18:39] I can try with latest image if you want [18:40] yea... try that... cause it deff should not be like that [19:08] anyone have any good suggestions for open source tools to do widespread file distribution? [19:08] basically a glorified rsync maybe? [19:13] shtylman: torrents :P [19:13] jk :D [19:14] well.. yes... that is one possibility... : http://github.com/lg/murder/ [19:14] but... I don't think I need something on that level [19:15] shtylman: theres was something called opencloud... [19:15] but idk if it works for sharing files and stuff [19:15] I see [19:16] shtylman: its ownCloud actually [19:16] shtylman: http://gitorious.org/owncloud/ [19:17] k... I will have to check that out [19:17] shtylman: yeah its a cloud server... enables file sharing and stuff.. *and* its based on kde libs [19:17] that part I don't really care about :) [19:18] why would a server be based on kdelibs? [19:18] sounds like a webserver with ssh to me [19:18] hehe...well its going to be integrated into kde... so thats just an added advantage i guess [19:18] apachelogger: idk... [19:18] not what I want [19:18] i heard about it a few weeks ago.. [19:19] shtylman: well use the open bit-torrent tracker then :D [19:19] shtylman: my analysis tools say it is not even containing any cpp [19:19] so I doubt it is based on kdelibs [19:19] you might be misinformed [19:20] yeah probably.... [19:20] ok well ive gtg.. [19:20] bye :) [19:37] Is amarok going to be patched to support the Ubuntu music store? http://popey.com/blog/2010/03/22/ubuntu-one-music-store-public-beta-begins/ [19:37] ScottK: there's a plugin already in existence, i thought? [19:37] maco: For amarok? [19:37] yeah... ithought one of popey's older blog posts said that [19:39] I think he was more talking about potential for a plugin [19:40] right, there is no plugin yet, unless apachelogger has it hiding somewhere [19:40] has anyone got ubuntu one to work in kubuntu lucid? [19:41] i installed everything named ubuntuone on my vm and still no joy [19:41] * apachelogger strips naked [19:41] nothing hiden! [19:41] haven't tried.... apachelogger had put together a hack/app to get u1 in kubuntu [19:41] * ScottK dons goggles. [19:41] * apachelogger needs to apply at canonical first [19:41] apachelogger: +1 :) [19:42] i got it to work in karmic at one time [19:42] JontheEchidna: yeah youre right [19:42] Ubuntu Desktop Display and Input Engineer - Xorg [19:42] Ubuntu Desktop Display and Input Engineer (Network) [19:42] Ubuntu Desktop Engineer - GTK [19:42] apachelogger + job at canonical + year's supply of alcohol == ruby code to generate Ubuntu One Music plugin for all music players [19:42] Ubuntu Desktop Sound Engineer [19:42] apachelogger: ^^ any of those fit? [19:43] I could get cracking with GTK [19:43] * apachelogger loves c anyway :D [19:43] then again that kind of GTK engineer must only do python [19:43] that's what kubuntu devs in the past did...once they realized there was no potential for employment, they started using gnome [19:43] ^^ [19:43] hahaha [19:43] +1 nixternal [19:43] I can always apply at kdab :P [19:44] move away from that silly stepchild stuff all together [19:44] then again [19:44] is it just me or is there no way to put a plasmoid (nemely the message indicator) in the systray? [19:44] jjesse: After I upgraded my netbook from Karmic -> Lucid I lost the Broadcom wireless drivers and had to reinstall them. [19:45] I recently got scared quite a bit when I saw how many KDE devs are working for kdab these days [19:45] ScottK: jockey says they are enabled [19:45] yuriy_: only possible in lucid [19:45] OK. Different than the problem I had. [19:45] will try to reinstall tonight when get home [19:45] the drivers that is [19:46] i think for most of us here now, we aren't looking for employment with canonical, and have just come to love Kubuntu so much [19:48] love aint gonna pay bills though [19:48] neither is proofing leibniz right [19:48] yet I have to do it -.- [19:48] They say that love will find a way .... [19:48] :P [19:51] hahaha [19:51] what's love got to do, got to do with it [19:51] who needs a heart when a heart can be broken [19:51] meatloaf time yet? so now i'm prayin for the end of time.. [19:54] what's love but a second hand emotion [19:54] damn, tina turner makes you wanna go all ike turner on this place :p [19:55] oh my, better help me find my notes on congruence classes or whatever those might be called in english :P [19:55] hehe [19:55] right now I am trying to design, well not design yet but figure out, a much better help system [19:56] KHelpCenter blows arse, and after hanging out with Shaun McCance this weekend and seeing what he is doing with Yelp 3.0 for GNOME, I am envious [19:56] rm -rf khelpecenter => 100% improvement [19:56] and then to see what Mac has done for help, holy hell that was bad ass [19:56] apachelogger: yup [19:56] rm -rf khtml too [19:57] nixternal: I would go derive the qt help thingy and build up on that [19:57] bbl [19:57] seriously, khtml codebase is so freakin' confusing, that I would rather write an entire documentation implementation for webkit [19:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9dpTTpjymE [19:57] apachelogger: qt-assistance is garbage too [19:57] nixternal: well, so it needs fixing and khc needs fixing [19:58] a help app shouldn't need to be full screen with an insanely large index on the left side...Yelp is compact, so you can see around it [19:58] apachelogger: and that's what I have been playing with, though fixing isn't the word I would use [19:58] hell, I wouldn't even recycle this crap, forget mother earth on this one, she can have it! [19:58] omg!!! [19:58] but khc got fancy perl scripting internals :P [19:59] * apachelogger finds that the most weird part about khc really [19:59] though I can see its advantages [19:59] well [19:59] the once it had at some point for a developer ^^ [19:59] this weekend we also had the Flourish Open Source conference, and they had a Women In Open Source panel with one of BSDs leaders, which I have just totally forgotten her name...I am waiting for the video because I missed it, but I heard it was an amazing talk/panel [20:00] apachelogger: perl scripting and shell scripting, and hell even scripting with c++ [20:00] "meinproc << "--xslt foo.xsl" << "--outfile foo.html" << "--cache index.cache.bz2"; [20:01] In computer science, it is the remainder operator that is usually indicated by either "%" (e.g. in C, Java, Javascript, and Python) or "mod" (e.g. in SQL, Visual Basic, Haskell), with exceptions (e.g. Excel). These operators are commonly pronounced as "mod", but it is specifically a remainder that is computed (since in C99 negative number will be returned if the first argument is negative, and in Python a negative number will be returned [20:01] if the second argument is negative). The function modulo instead of mod, like 38 ≡ 14 (modulo 12) is sometimes used to indicate the common residue rather than a remainder (e.g. in Ruby). [20:01] yay [20:01] apachelogger: i'm on lucid. i can't seem to drag it in there or anything [20:01] oh you have to do it in teh systray settings [20:01] unintuitive [20:02] on Z/nZ : a_n+b+n=(a+b)_n [20:02] that actually makes sense [20:02] yuriy_: no draggery [20:02] yuriy_: well, the plasma devs where wicked in applying their containment paradigm everywhere [20:02] but they forgot about one rather important part where you could drag stuff ;) [20:02] everything else in plasma is draggery [20:02] fail of paradigm obviously [20:03] they should have derived :P [20:04] now the other issue is that now that it's in the systray it gives me a message about needing to run an indicator enabled app even though i have kmail running and configured to use it [20:05] anyone hiring a "realistic unmotivated opportunistic"? [20:05] I think that should be an eminem song [20:08] it scares me that my computer would be completely unusable right now without quad core [20:08] top is showing consistently 6-10 processes with double digit cpu usage [20:12] Nightrose: love the streak in your hair..is that new? [20:13] seele: ;-) old actually [20:13] should do it again [20:13] hehe [20:13] * maco wonders if a coloured streak of hair will be come kde gal uniform [20:13] definitely [20:13] it's hip! [20:13] afaik there are no photos of me with punk rock red hair in existence [20:13] awwww [20:14] mum failed *miserably* at making streaks === yuriy_ is now known as yuriy [21:52] apachelogger: seen kde svn 1105780? [21:52]