[00:00] <fedoralogger> JontheEchidna: please take a look at bug 212796
[00:00]  * fedoralogger doesnt think we should set that
[00:00] <fedoralogger> also ctrl+alt+arrow is used in various apps
[00:20] <maco> fedoralogger: what does? O_o
[00:22] <fedoralogger> *shrug*
[00:22] <fedoralogger> I have a feeling I use that shortcut at times
[00:23] <fedoralogger> or used maybe
[00:23] <maco> ctrl+alt+arrows is what compiz uses
[00:23] <maco> ive never *heard* of it colliding with anything
[00:23] <fedoralogger> compiz collieds with all sorts of things
[00:23] <fedoralogger> mostly it just stays unnoticed :P
[00:24] <fedoralogger> i.e. it used to collide with ooo for years on some rather unused shortcut
[00:24]  * Sput has been using ctrl+alt+arrows for desktop switching for a decade
[00:24] <fedoralogger> hm
[00:24] <Sput> can't remember it ever having collide
[00:24] <Sput> d
[00:24] <maco> yeah the non-default plugins sometimes do
[00:24] <fedoralogger> in that case
[00:24] <fedoralogger> lets bring it to upstreams attention!
[00:24] <maco> but the desktop switch ive never heard of a collision
[00:24] <maco> ooo does WEIRD shortcuts, btw. try F11. it's NOT fullscreen! wtf?
[00:25] <fedoralogger> f11 is not fullscreen in a lot of kde apps either :P
[00:25] <maco> do those ones *have* fullscreen at all?
[00:27] <maco> for OOo, f11 is "styles" and fullscreen is something else that doesnt fit any hig that im aware of
[00:29] <Sput> F11 was styles already back when it was still Star Office
[00:29] <Sput> which predates KDE :)
[00:31] <Sput> hm. now I feel old again.
[00:31]  * fedoralogger wants a machine that goes "bing"
[00:37] <maco> wow
[00:37] <maco> thats old
[00:37] <maco> i was a gnome user when i noticed the f11 weirdness. gnome and i think kde both say f11=fullscreen, and windows does too i'm sure
[00:38] <fedoralogger> maco: I do not think KDE's hig says f11 for fullscreen
[00:38] <maco> i'll go look
[00:38] <fedoralogger> if so then I would know more apps that violate that guideline than those following it ^^
[00:38] <maco> i was assuming it since it seems to be default elsewhere
[00:39] <maco> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Usability/HIG/Keyboard_Shortcuts
[00:39] <maco> yes, the hig says fullscreen = f11
[00:41] <fedoralogger> konsole doesnt follow that
[00:41] <fedoralogger> neither does kaffeine, dragon or bangaran IIRC
[00:41] <fedoralogger> in fact only konqueror and rekonq come to mind regarding f11 for fullscreen
[00:41] <fedoralogger> though those also support ctrl+shift+f IIRC,
[00:42] <fedoralogger> which seems to be more an established standard than f11
[00:42] <fedoralogger> krdc also does use ctrl+shift+f and not f11
[00:43] <fedoralogger> same for okular
[00:44] <fedoralogger> seele: ^ I think the f11 for shortcut paradigm should either be enforced within core KDE software or exchanged with ctrl+shift+f
[00:45] <fedoralogger> latter seems to be the better choice because konsole for example cant use f11 at any rate because it might conflict with CLI shortcuts
[04:18] <nixternal> whew, so good to be back home
[04:18] <nixternal> I am going to sleep for 2 days I think
[07:57] <Mamarok> what -dbg package do I have to install to get a valid backtrace for Dolphin? I have repeated crashes when copying
[08:00] <Mamarok> there is non for dolphin, shouldn't there be one?
[08:00] <Mamarok> none*
[08:00] <corigo> Loaded 4.4.1 on 9.10 (Kubuntu_64) and now my workspace is crashing on login. Black desktop with no UI
[08:01] <persia> Are there dbgsym ddebs?
[08:01] <persia> If there's *neither* -dbg nor ddebs, it's an issue, but often there are ddebs when there is no -dbg
[08:05] <Mamarok> persia: ddebs? Never heard of :)
[08:07] <persia> They're all housed at http://ddebs.ubuntu.com/
[08:07] <persia> I'll give you a wiki page if I can find it that talks about them.
[08:08] <persia> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/DebuggingProgramCrash
[08:11] <Mamarok> persia: thanks a lot :)
[08:59] <Tonio_> sebas: hey :)
[08:59] <corigo> Seeing this bug all over again on 4.4.1 on Ubuntu_64_9.10 https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=225341
[08:59] <Tonio_> sebas: I found out a little bug in the plasmoid
[09:00] <Tonio_> sebas: as some points when it starts up, I see the list of all available networks, and the button on the bottom shows "show more", which means I should only see the known networks
[09:00] <Tonio_> I have to click on show more, then show less, and then I get something "normal"
[09:00] <Tonio_> I'll take a screenshot next time it happens...
[09:30] <fedoralogger> Mamarok: kdebase-dbg
[10:19] <Mamarok> fedoralogger: thanks, I just added all -dbg packages for the base system
[10:37] <markey> gah gah
[10:38] <markey> the new Nvidia driver really hates me
[10:38] <markey> crashed again :(
[10:38] <markey> oh well, restarting KDE once in a while fixes memory leaks nicely ;)
[10:38] <markey> fedoralogger: heh, what's up with your nick? :)
[10:44] <markey> feel like reading some FUD? it is pretty nasty, so maybe better not read it: http://sandeep.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/ubuntu-lucid-worst-ever-kde-4-4-1-slowest-ever/
[10:44] <markey> "Instead what we have is an OS with a weird unusable theme"
[10:44] <markey> it didn't look unsable to me
[10:45] <markey> unusable even
[10:50]  * jussi01 giglles at that article... surely he cant be serious...
[10:53] <fedoralogger> sure he can!
[10:53] <fedoralogger> markey: nixternal unveild that I was secretly in love with fedora, so now I am fedora developer
[10:53] <markey> ah, heh
[10:54] <markey> a double agent
[10:54] <fedoralogger> not anymore
[10:54] <markey> I secretly work on XMMS, btw
[10:54] <fedoralogger> xmms2 is the gnome!
[10:54] <fedoralogger> wants to install a billion packages
[10:54] <markey> nah, the _real_ XMMS, version 0.6
[10:54] <markey> all later versions were crap
[10:55] <markey> it's my favorite player
[10:55] <markey> it's funny to try pushing the fixed size buttons on a display with high DPI :p
[10:56] <fedoralogger> hm
[10:56] <fedoralogger> is xmms written in C?
[10:56] <fedoralogger> if so I could join you... that cpp business is getting annoying :P
[10:58] <fedoralogger> latest newsgroup posting is about whether instance N of class A ought to delete instance B of class C, even though B is not on the heap and not even created by N
[10:59] <jussi01> fedoralogger: shhh, you are making us look insane... oh whoops :P
[11:00] <fedoralogger> srsly
[11:00] <fedoralogger> "should I, as fedora developer, delete opensuse's kde 3 kdelibs?"
[11:00] <jussi01> o.O
[11:01] <fedoralogger> same thing
[11:37] <fedoralogger> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KubuntuExtras
[11:37] <fedoralogger> always them things no one knows about
[11:57] <robinp> I'm trying to install kdevelop from the ppa:kubuntu-ppa/beta repository however KPackageKit seems to keep getting stuck on downloading vlagrind. Anyone know what the problem might be ?
[11:58] <robinp> *valgrind
[11:58] <Riddell> stuck in what way?
[12:01] <robinp> Riddell: you jinxed me. It was just not downloading but as soon as you said something it started working again :/
[12:05] <Riddell> robinp: beta was out recently so I think the servers have been busy
[12:05] <robinp> Riddell: kk np
[12:20] <markey> fedoralogger: yes, XMMS is C, but I plan to implement a C compiler in Ruby, and then put it in there, and then make the C compiler run a Ruby interpreter. that seems to be a simple solution
[12:20] <markey> I like simple solutions
[12:20] <markey> possibly also adding Visual Basic support
[12:21] <Mamarok> markey: could I has GW Basic, too?
[12:21] <markey> good idea!
[12:21] <markey> of course
[12:21] <Mamarok> and maybe dBase?
[12:21]  * Mamarok knows dBase
[12:22] <markey> but we have to remove music playing. that's rather useless anyway
[12:22] <Mamarok> yeah, what was that for again?
[12:22] <markey> a silly idea, nothing more
[12:23] <markey> ultimately, I also want to put KMail in XMMS
[12:23] <markey> it could fit nicely in the playlist
[12:30] <Mamarok> markey: to play mails?
[12:33] <Riddell> how do I link a bug in launchpad to a KDE bug?
[12:34] <Riddell> hum, seemed to work now
[12:37] <ScottK> markey: They guy with the blog post was pointing at a bug about the Ubuntu theme while he was complaining about Kubuntu, so clearly he's confused.
[12:38] <ScottK> I do think there's a point about slowness with nepomuk or something.  4.4 is a lot slower on 1GB RAM than 4.3 was.
[12:40] <markey> ScottK: yep, the blog seemed rather bizarre. I wouldn't take it too seriously :)
[12:40] <ScottK> I considered leaving a sarcastic comment, but that would only lend it credence.
[12:47] <Riddell> ooh CDs don't have icon cache on them today and down to 661MB (even with french and german installed), nice
[13:01] <ghostcube> o/
[13:16] <Riddell> agateau: I uploaded oxygen with nepomuk icon also in hicolour
[13:21] <Riddell> markey (agateau): how do I read this http://gitorious.org/amarok/amarok/commit/4089c5848702367146b7b441a1347be1720f9ee2
[13:21] <Riddell> there's nothing saying what red or green means
[13:24] <shadeslayer> ok um.. the network management widget... it cant detect wifi networks,this is via the kubuntu experimental ppa
[13:25] <Riddell> is the kded enabled?
[13:25] <markey> Riddell: yeah, the colors are confusing. Red = removed. The green line is what stayed
[13:25] <markey> Riddell: I only removed the block above
[13:26] <markey> I can't even see the colors properly without shifting my screen slightly
[13:26] <markey> (I'm minimally color blind, and the colors they chose are probably the worst possible)
[13:26] <markey> Riddell: wait, I can show you a much better diff
[13:26] <markey> sec
[13:27] <markey> Riddell:
[13:27] <markey> http://kollide.net:8060/browse/Amarok-git/src/TrayIcon.cpp?r1=92cac9cfd40f67cc9c205a8ce3adba74e0343b10&r2=4089c5848702367146b7b441a1347be1720f9ee2
[13:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the load on demand service one? nope
[13:30] <Riddell> markey: looks like we already have that in then, slotScrollRequired is just the one line http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/amarok/ubuntu/annotate/head:/debian/patches/kubuntu/05_kstatusnotifieritem.diff
[13:30] <Riddell> shadeslayer: well, there you go
[13:32] <ScottK> Riddell: Did you plan on uploading kde4libs today?
[13:33] <Riddell> ScottK: nothing currently kde4libs-ish on my todo
[13:34] <markey> Riddell: yep, looks OK
[13:34] <ScottK> Riddell: OK. Jon Thomas put some worthwhile stuff in bzr.  I'll maybe take a look at uploading this afternoon if no one else does first.
[13:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: so how do i enable it?
[13:37] <Riddell> shadeslayer: instructions are in the original e-mail i sent to kubuntu-devel
[13:37] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ok ill have to pull that out :D
[13:40] <shadeslayer> Riddell: can you tell me which month you sent the email?
[13:41] <Riddell> shadeslayer: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2010-March/004137.html
[13:42] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ah ok...i was browsing from the jaunary version
[13:42] <Riddell> dantti: ping
[13:42] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel-03-13.txt:[08:04] <glatzor> Riddell, I made some bug fixes to the 0.5.X branch of packagekit which are worth cherry picking.
[13:42] <dantti> Riddell: pong
[13:42] <Riddell> kubuntu-devel-03-13.txt:[08:04] <glatzor> Riddell, especially the fixes to the search and the encoding handling
[13:42] <Riddell> dantti: do you know where I can find those ^^
[13:43] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks :D
[13:43] <dantti> Riddell: afaik it's about the last Pk version released today...
[13:44] <maco> um did knetworkmanager explode yesterday? i dont think i installed any updates for it (just for quassel) in the last week though...
[13:44] <dantti> Riddell: btw what do you think it's more important for aptcc, install .deb files or get distro upgrades?
[13:45] <Riddell> dantti: ah, there's a packagekit 0.5.8 which isn't listed on http://www.packagekit.org/pk-download.html
[13:46] <dantti> yup
[13:46] <Riddell> dantti: in lucid we're using kpackagekit for distro upgrade (karmic too although the update-notifier-kde is the main one) so we'd need to keep that
[13:46] <Riddell> install .deb files we can keep using our install-package script even though it's been on our list of things to get rid of for some time
[13:47] <Riddell> in general glatzor and mvo still need to be convinced about aptcc though, they know more about the issues than I do but I don't think they're convinced by it yet
[13:47] <dantti> Riddell: hmm but afaik python apt can install files..
[13:47] <Riddell> of course if you come to UDS you can convince them :)
[13:48] <Riddell> dantti: yes kpackagekit can install .deb files using python apt backend which is nice, but mostly we havn't got around to porting things to using it yet
[13:49] <dantti> hehe, well I conviced myself this weekend while installing packages on a notebook with 1gb of ram.. :P
[13:49] <Riddell> dantti: I think kpackagekit can't do "apt-get update" which is needed for software-properties-kde and is another reason we can't get rid of our install-package script
[13:49] <dantti> Riddell: why It can't?
[13:50] <dantti> python apt does it (or did) the wrong way, since it didn't get localization of package descriptions
[13:50] <dantti> Riddell: btw did they fixed this issue in newer versions?
[13:51] <dantti> that was one of the first things aptcc did... :P
[13:51] <Riddell> dantti: why it can't do "apt-get update"?  I don't think there's a command line for it is all, software-properties-kde needs a graphical way to call apt-get update
[13:51] <Riddell> dantti: I don't know, I've not looked into package translations
[13:52] <dantti> Riddell: I'm confused do you need a cmd line like kpackagekit --refresh-cache?
[13:52] <Riddell> dantti: yes
[13:53] <dantti> Riddell: that's quite easy to do.. :P iirc there is a dbus object for that too which one do you prefer?
[13:53] <Riddell> dantti: probably just a command line is easiest
[13:54] <dantti> org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon there is a RefreshCache but I can add a cmd line..
[13:54] <dantti> s/there is/has
[13:55] <Riddell> dantti: nothing here   qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon /org/freedesktop/PackageKit | grep -i cache
[13:55] <dantti> Riddell: is it running?
[13:55] <dantti> it's dbus activated
[13:56] <Riddell> dantti: http://kubuntu.pastebin.com/n8rt8GbN yes
[13:56] <dantti> weird it's there for quite a while..
[13:56] <dantti> Riddell: ah no there are two interfaces
[13:57] <dantti> that one is shared with gnome packagekit
[13:58] <Riddell> dantti: where is the other?
[13:59] <dantti> Riddell: if you open with qdbusviewer you will see
[13:59] <dantti> I'm trying to use this qdbus but no lucky yet
[14:00] <dantti> Riddell: qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon /
[14:01] <dantti> Riddell: no, qdbus org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon / org.kde.KPackageKitSmartIcon.RefreshCache
[14:01] <Riddell> ah "/"  dbus can be confusing
[14:02] <Riddell> dantti: that's not quite what I'm after, the only GUI there is the systray icon, I'd like a dialogue with a progress bar
[14:02] <dantti> the only problem is what i've told you, you should check if python apt is now downloading the packages localizations..
[14:02] <Riddell> dantti: this isn't high priority of course, we have install-package and it works for now :)
[14:02] <dantti> hmm
[14:03] <dantti> well that's easy to add too.. I'll just talk with richard what he thinks on adding it to gpk too
[14:03] <dantti> this way any pk tool could do it
[14:12] <shadeslayer> upgrades...yayyy
[14:15] <maco> possibly knm just freaks out if you've pressed the rf kill button at some point? ive had "networking is disabled" coming from it since i pressed that switch yesterday, through 4 reboots
[14:16] <Riddell> maco: neither network-manager nor knetworkmanager have been updated since a week before beta
[14:17] <maco> ok then i think i found a bug in knm
[14:17] <shadeslayer> Riddell: choqok released their beta version,will this get into the repo?
[14:17] <shadeslayer> ( the main one )
[14:17] <maco> it refuses to use network devices after the rf kill switch has been used, *evar*
[14:17] <Riddell> shadeslayer: if someone packages it, gets it tested and it passes feature freze requirements
[14:17]  * shadeslayer thinks....
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh and kcm touchpad is very buggy
[14:18] <Riddell> maco: try killing it and rm ~/.kde/share/config/networkmanagementrc then restarting
[14:18] <Riddell> that'll tell us if it's knetworkmanager's fault or network-manager
[14:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: apparently tapping works in KDM but not after logging in
[14:19] <maco> Riddell: is that gonna lose all my saved wpa keys?
[14:20] <Riddell> maco: they should be in kwallet but it may lose other details, move it aside rather than remove it if you care about them
[15:08] <maco> ew battery level tooltips in ubuntu went away?
[15:08] <maco> ScottK, seele: thanks for convincing me to switch to kubuntu
[15:08] <ScottK> ;-)
[15:11] <nigelb> maco: I might switch.  I'm missing that quite a lot
[15:51] <dpm> Riddell, in Catalan we'd like to have the 'ca@valencia' translations in the same language pack as 'ca', as in the gnome language pack. I still have to check if other teams using variants also prefer to have it like this. But in any case, how can we do this, shall I just open a bug?
[16:44] <fedoralogger> dpm: shoulnt that be done in rosetta/lang-pack build scripts?
[16:48] <dpm> hi fedoralogger, it actually is, but there is a bit missing. Kubuntu translations are a bit different in the sense that apart from the translations in language packs, they need the kde-l10n-$LOCALE packages installed as well. This is the part I meant: having the kde-l10n-$LOCALE and kde-l10n-$LOCALE-variant packages merged into one (I think that part is the one the kubuntu packaging tools do)
[16:48] <fedoralogger> hm
[16:48] <fedoralogger> dpm: in that case language-selector should map ca@valencia to ca
[16:49] <fedoralogger> because doing it in the source package would make them a lot more difficult to manipulate via scripting magic
[16:52] <jussi01> fedoralogger: that nick really doesnt suit you... can we have our apachelogger back? :D
[16:53] <dpm> fedoralogger, well if it has to make packaging more difficult, we might as well leave them as they are. I just wanted to ensure that they are installed with the main locale's packages, since I remember we had problems with that not being the case at some point in Karmic. I'll just have to re-check that they are indeed installed together.
[16:54] <fedoralogger> dpm: making langauge-selector install kde-l10n-ca and kde-l10n-cavalencia if the ca language pack is a lot easier to archive and ultimately leads to the same result
[16:55] <apachelogger> I read Harald's last post about Kubuntu. It's good to see that the situation is being finally acknowledged by some of the people in the Kubuntu team. Kubuntu is the blue-headed step-child.
[16:55] <apachelogger> the fuck
[16:55] <apachelogger> srsly
[16:56] <dpm> apachelogger, ok, I'm happy with that, thanks for the info.
[16:57] <apachelogger> dpm: just poke arne, I am sure he can make that happen in no time :)
[16:58] <dpm> apachelogger, yeah, I think in fact it does happen, that was fixed at some point. I just need to re-check it is the case on a new Lucid installation.
[16:59] <apachelogger> k
[17:01] <nixternal> apachelogger: yeah, i read that and commented, as he said I was in denial about the blue-headed-step-child ordeal. does he not realize that I coined that term on buntudot.org in 2005
[17:02] <apachelogger> his blog posts are always heavily undereducated and a big blah IIRC
[17:02] <maco> wait im confused
[17:02] <maco> i thought apachelogger = harald
[17:02] <maco> apachelogger: whats your name?
[17:04] <apachelogger> maco: it continues that previously the team was in denial referencing rich's post about the step-child business
[17:04] <apachelogger> whereas I am not in denial because I obviously unveild canonical's evil game!
[17:05] <maco> apachelogger: are you not harald, or do you like referring to yourself in the 3rd person?
[17:05] <apachelogger> maco: that was a quote
[17:05] <maco> apachelogger: ooooooh
[17:06] <apachelogger> http://soliverez.com.ar/drupal/node/166
[17:12] <apachelogger> shtylman: it took me half an hour to start installation on a dell mini 10 today
[17:12] <apachelogger> couldnt find out why since I was running in installer-only mode
[17:30] <debfx> could someone test an updated brightness osd patch that should bring it back to life? :)
[17:30] <debfx> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/kubuntu_101_brightness_fn_keys_and_osd.diff
[17:31] <debfx> mainly I need to know if the osd isn't shown when the brightness is changed through the battery applet
[17:32] <shadeslayer> oh btw just so that you know : https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/541868 : i changed this to kcm-touchpad
[18:25] <lex79> Riddell: soprano 2.4.1 https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/ppa
[18:38] <shtylman> apachelogger: jesus... really? is this with latest cd images?
[18:38] <apachelogger> shtylman: no, beta1 from stick
[18:38] <shtylman> wow
[18:38] <apachelogger> but it has been like that earlier too
[18:38] <shtylman> was it using alot of cpu?
[18:38] <shtylman> what was the problem?
[18:39] <shtylman> ram?
[18:39] <apachelogger> I would think CPU really, I cant tell, I'll try to reproduce it tomorrow
[18:39] <apachelogger> there was no usb nor disk acitivity
[18:39] <apachelogger> so it either was cpu or ram
[18:39] <shtylman> hmm... cpu bug should have been fixed
[18:39] <shtylman> maybe the package didn't make it for the beta
[18:39] <shtylman> but should have
[18:39] <apachelogger> I can try with latest image if you want
[18:40] <shtylman> yea... try that... cause it deff should not be like that
[19:08] <shtylman> anyone have any good suggestions for open source tools to do widespread file distribution?
[19:08] <shtylman> basically a glorified rsync maybe?
[19:13] <shadeslayer> shtylman: torrents :P
[19:13] <shadeslayer> jk :D
[19:14] <shtylman> well.. yes... that is one possibility... : http://github.com/lg/murder/
[19:14] <shtylman> but... I don't think I need something on that level
[19:15] <shadeslayer> shtylman: theres was something called opencloud...
[19:15] <shadeslayer> but idk if it works for sharing files and stuff
[19:15] <shtylman> I see
[19:16] <shadeslayer> shtylman: its ownCloud actually
[19:16] <shadeslayer> shtylman: http://gitorious.org/owncloud/
[19:17] <shtylman> k... I will have to check that out
[19:17] <shadeslayer> shtylman: yeah its a cloud server... enables file sharing and stuff.. *and* its based on kde libs
[19:17] <shtylman> that part I don't really care about :)
[19:18] <apachelogger> why would a server be based on kdelibs?
[19:18] <shtylman> sounds like a webserver with ssh to me
[19:18] <shadeslayer> hehe...well its going to be integrated into kde... so thats just an added advantage i guess
[19:18] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: idk...
[19:18] <shtylman> not what I want
[19:18] <shadeslayer> i heard about it a few weeks ago..
[19:19] <shadeslayer> shtylman: well use the open bit-torrent tracker then :D
[19:19] <apachelogger> shtylman: my analysis tools say it is not even containing any cpp
[19:19] <apachelogger> so I doubt it is based on kdelibs
[19:19] <apachelogger> you might be misinformed
[19:20] <shadeslayer> yeah probably....
[19:20] <shadeslayer> ok well ive gtg..
[19:20] <shadeslayer> bye :)
[19:37] <ScottK> Is amarok going to be patched to support the Ubuntu music store? http://popey.com/blog/2010/03/22/ubuntu-one-music-store-public-beta-begins/
[19:37] <maco> ScottK: there's a plugin already in existence, i thought?
[19:37] <ScottK> maco: For amarok?
[19:37] <maco> yeah... ithought one of popey's older blog posts said that
[19:39] <JontheEchidna> I think he was more talking about potential for a plugin
[19:40] <nixternal> right, there is no plugin yet, unless apachelogger has it hiding somewhere
[19:40] <jjesse> has anyone got ubuntu one to work in kubuntu lucid?
[19:41] <jjesse> i installed everything named ubuntuone on my vm and still no joy
[19:41]  * apachelogger strips naked
[19:41] <apachelogger> nothing hiden!
[19:41] <nixternal> haven't tried.... apachelogger had put together a hack/app to get u1 in kubuntu
[19:41]  * ScottK dons goggles.
[19:41]  * apachelogger needs to apply at canonical first
[19:41] <nixternal> apachelogger: +1 :)
[19:42] <jjesse> i got it to work in karmic at one time
[19:42] <maco> JontheEchidna: yeah youre right
[19:42] <nixternal> Ubuntu Desktop Display and Input Engineer - Xorg
[19:42] <nixternal> Ubuntu Desktop Display and Input Engineer (Network)
[19:42] <nixternal> Ubuntu Desktop Engineer - GTK
[19:42] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger + job at canonical + year's supply of alcohol == ruby code to generate Ubuntu One Music plugin for all music players
[19:42] <nixternal> Ubuntu Desktop Sound Engineer
[19:42] <nixternal> apachelogger: ^^ any of those fit?
[19:43] <apachelogger> I could get cracking with GTK
[19:43]  * apachelogger loves c anyway :D
[19:43] <apachelogger> then again that kind of GTK engineer must only do python
[19:43] <nixternal> that's what kubuntu devs in the past did...once they realized there was no potential for employment, they started using gnome
[19:43] <apachelogger> ^^
[19:43] <jjesse> hahaha
[19:43] <jjesse> +1 nixternal
[19:43] <apachelogger> I can always apply at kdab :P
[19:44] <apachelogger> move away from that silly stepchild stuff all together
[19:44] <apachelogger> then again
[19:44] <yuriy_> is it just me or is there no way to put a plasmoid (nemely the message indicator) in the systray?
[19:44] <ScottK> jjesse: After I upgraded my netbook from Karmic -> Lucid I lost the Broadcom wireless drivers and had to reinstall them.
[19:45] <apachelogger> I recently got scared quite a bit when I saw how many KDE devs are working for kdab these days
[19:45] <jjesse> ScottK: jockey says they are enabled
[19:45] <apachelogger> yuriy_: only possible in lucid
[19:45] <ScottK> OK.  Different than the problem I had.
[19:45] <jjesse> will try to reinstall tonight when get home
[19:45] <jjesse> the drivers that is
[19:46] <nixternal> i think for most of us here now, we aren't looking for employment with canonical, and have just come to love Kubuntu so much
[19:48] <apachelogger> love aint gonna pay bills though
[19:48] <apachelogger> neither is proofing leibniz right
[19:48] <apachelogger> yet I have to do it -.-
[19:48] <ScottK> They say that love will find a way ....
[19:48] <maco> :P
[19:51] <nixternal> hahaha
[19:51] <nixternal> what's love got to do, got to do with it
[19:51] <nixternal> who needs a heart when a heart can be broken
[19:51] <maco> meatloaf time yet? so now i'm prayin for the end of time..
[19:54] <nixternal> what's love but a second hand emotion
[19:54] <nixternal> damn, tina turner makes you wanna go all ike turner on this place :p
[19:55] <apachelogger> oh my, better help me find my notes on congruence classes or whatever those might be called in english :P
[19:55] <nixternal> hehe
[19:55] <nixternal> right now I am trying to design, well not design yet but figure out, a much better help system
[19:56] <nixternal> KHelpCenter blows arse, and after hanging out with Shaun McCance this weekend and seeing what he is doing with Yelp 3.0 for GNOME, I am envious
[19:56] <apachelogger> rm -rf khelpecenter => 100% improvement
[19:56] <nixternal> and then to see what Mac has done for help, holy hell that was bad ass
[19:56] <nixternal> apachelogger: yup
[19:56] <nixternal> rm -rf khtml too
[19:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: I would go derive the qt help thingy and build up on that
[19:57] <JontheEchidna> bbl
[19:57] <nixternal> seriously, khtml codebase is so freakin' confusing, that I would rather write an entire documentation implementation for webkit
[19:57] <apachelogger> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9dpTTpjymE
[19:57] <nixternal> apachelogger: qt-assistance is garbage too
[19:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, so it needs fixing and khc needs fixing
[19:58] <nixternal> a help app shouldn't need to be full screen with an insanely large index on the left side...Yelp is compact, so you can see around it
[19:58] <nixternal> apachelogger: and that's what I have been playing with, though fixing isn't the word I would use
[19:58] <nixternal> hell, I wouldn't even recycle this crap, forget mother earth on this one, she can have it!
[19:58] <apachelogger> omg!!!
[19:58] <apachelogger> but khc got fancy perl scripting internals :P
[19:59]  * apachelogger finds that the most weird part about khc really
[19:59] <apachelogger> though I can see its advantages
[19:59] <apachelogger> well
[19:59] <apachelogger> the once it had at some point for a developer ^^
[19:59] <nixternal> this weekend we also had the Flourish Open Source conference, and they had a Women In Open Source panel with one of BSDs leaders, which I have just totally forgotten her name...I am waiting for the video because I missed it, but I heard it was an amazing talk/panel
[20:00] <nixternal> apachelogger: perl scripting and shell scripting, and hell even scripting with c++
[20:00] <nixternal> "meinproc << "--xslt foo.xsl" << "--outfile foo.html" << "--cache index.cache.bz2";
[20:01] <apachelogger> In computer science, it is the remainder operator that is usually indicated by either "%" (e.g. in C, Java, Javascript, and Python) or "mod" (e.g. in SQL, Visual Basic, Haskell), with exceptions (e.g. Excel). These operators are commonly pronounced as "mod", but it is specifically a remainder that is computed (since in C99 negative number will be returned if the first argument is negative, and in Python a negative number will be returned
[20:01] <apachelogger>  if the second argument is negative). The function modulo instead of mod, like 38 ≡ 14 (modulo 12) is sometimes used to indicate the common residue rather than a remainder (e.g. in Ruby).
[20:01] <apachelogger> yay
[20:01] <yuriy_> apachelogger: i'm on lucid. i can't seem to drag it in there or anything
[20:01] <yuriy_> oh you have to do it in teh systray settings
[20:01] <yuriy_> unintuitive
[20:02] <apachelogger> on Z/nZ : a_n+b+n=(a+b)_n
[20:02] <apachelogger> that actually makes sense
[20:02] <apachelogger> yuriy_: no draggery
[20:02] <apachelogger> yuriy_: well, the plasma devs where wicked in applying their containment paradigm everywhere
[20:02] <apachelogger> but they forgot about one rather important part where you could drag stuff ;)
[20:02] <yuriy_> everything else in plasma is draggery
[20:02] <apachelogger> fail of paradigm obviously
[20:03] <apachelogger> they should have derived :P
[20:04] <yuriy_> now the other issue is that now that it's in the systray it gives me a message about needing to run an indicator enabled app even though i have kmail running and configured to use it
[20:05] <nixternal> anyone hiring a "realistic unmotivated opportunistic"?
[20:05] <nixternal> I think that should be an eminem song
[20:08] <yuriy_> it scares me that my computer would be completely unusable right now without quad core
[20:08] <yuriy_> top is showing consistently 6-10 processes with double digit cpu usage
[20:12] <seele> Nightrose: love the streak in your hair..is that new?
[20:13] <Nightrose> seele: ;-) old actually
[20:13] <Nightrose> should do it again
[20:13] <seele> hehe
[20:13]  * maco wonders if a coloured streak of hair will be come kde gal uniform
[20:13] <Nightrose> definitely
[20:13] <Nightrose> it's hip!
[20:13] <maco> afaik there are no photos of me with punk rock red hair in existence
[20:13] <Nightrose> awwww
[20:14] <maco> mum failed *miserably* at making streaks
[21:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: seen kde svn 1105780?
[21:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes I requested
[21:53] <JontheEchidna> neat
[21:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: feel free to try creating a patch for akonadi 1.3.1
[21:53] <apachelogger> because trunk is not even remotely related to 1.3.1 :P
[21:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: neoclust might have done that already though
[21:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/QtiqB11A
[21:55] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: know where mdv hides all their packaging goodies?
[21:55] <apachelogger> in their svn :P
[21:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: also we need another patch for updates it seems
[21:55] <apachelogger> I do hate mysql very much
[21:56] <apachelogger> it is like the python of databases -.-
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> what is the patch you pastebin'd
[21:56] <JontheEchidna> ?
[21:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: for new databases
[21:57] <JontheEchidna> "make things not break for new databases"?
[21:58] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yes
[21:58] <JontheEchidna> and then we'll still need a patch for "make existing databases not break"?
[21:58] <apachelogger> yes
[21:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: but please try that first
[21:59] <JontheEchidna> k
[21:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: volker did a fix yesterday and neoclust only did that backport attemt
[21:59] <apachelogger> also
[21:59] <apachelogger> ALSO
[21:59] <apachelogger> a) someone needs to subscribe to kde-pim ml because they apparently want to start a akonadi deployment issue thread
[21:59] <apachelogger> b) akonadi might gain sqlite support
[21:59] <apachelogger> c) I still hate mysql, can we please use psql?
[22:00] <JontheEchidna> sounds like you're the expert. I don't know much about such things
[22:03] <apachelogger> meh
[22:03] <JontheEchidna> anywayz, pbuildin'
[22:05] <ScottK> It's a given that apachelogger is the expert.  The question is can he be motivated to bring his awesomeness to bear on the problem.
[22:07] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: ftbfs
[22:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: logy
[22:08] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: http://pastebin.ca/1849720
[22:12] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: happy debugging
[22:12] <apachelogger> me recommends building outside pbuilder first ;)
[23:03] <apachelogger> jtechidna: it seems that paste thingy returns invalid patches
[23:03] <apachelogger> manual patching seems to work
[23:03] <apachelogger> compiling outside pbuilder now
[23:06] <apachelogger> http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/kubuntu_01_fix_init.diff
[23:14] <apachelogger> jtechidna: works like a charm
[23:22] <jtechidna> apachelogger: neat
[23:22]  * JontheEchidna in windoze playing sim city 3000
[23:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the update_db patch can probably be incorportaed into that
[23:22] <apachelogger> ALSO
[23:22] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we need major changes to the mysql packages going with that
[23:23] <apachelogger> the two scripts depend on quite a bit of magic and must be moved to the -core package