Hellow | Could someone mark bug #543851 as wishlist, please? | 01:31 |
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ubot4` | Launchpad bug 543851 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 (Ubuntu) "New upstream 173.14.25 available (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543851 | 01:31 |
nigelb | micahg: got any new mails on bug squad ML? | 02:28 |
micahg | nigelb: yours | 02:28 |
nigelb | micahg: phew :) I didnt get the confirmation mail. got worried it got lost | 02:29 |
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mwhudson | apologies if this is not the place to ask this | 05:45 |
mwhudson | but this bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/377598 is still affecting me in lucid | 05:45 |
ubot4` | Launchpad bug 377598 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[i945gm] Video corruption when disabling internal monitor (affects: 5)" [High,Confirmed] | 05:45 |
mwhudson | even though it's fix released for xf86-video-intel | 05:46 |
Damascene | hello, I wonder why mozilla-plugins-gnash isn't a dependences of gnash? | 05:46 |
kklimonda | Damascene: because gnash can be used as a standalone application afair | 05:46 |
Damascene | so someone thinks that people installing gnash may not use it with firefox?!! | 05:48 |
Damascene | is there a bug about that or I might file one? | 05:48 |
kklimonda | Damascene: people who want to use it with firefox should install firefox plugin | 05:51 |
Damascene | what if some one doens't think so? might he file a bug? | 05:52 |
kklimonda | Damascene: and what is your reasoning? | 05:53 |
persia | mwhudson: There's two tasks in that bug: looks like the kernel portion isn't resolved yet. Are you sure you're still seeing issues in the X driver? | 05:54 |
mwhudson | persia: i'm running a kernel newer than that linked in the freedesktop.org bug report | 05:54 |
mwhudson | i thnk | 05:54 |
Damascene | I think 99% of people download flash player is for web | 05:54 |
mwhudson | hm, maybe not | 05:55 |
persia | mwhudson: Ah, you reopened it (I've just gotten through the log). | 05:55 |
mwhudson | i don't think i touched the status did i? | 05:56 |
persia | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/377598/+activity claims you did (about 6 weeks ago) or else I'm confused. | 05:57 |
ubot4` | Launchpad bug 377598 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[i945gm] Video corruption when disabling internal monitor (affects: 5)" [High,Confirmed] | 05:57 |
mwhudson | persia: oh yeah, so i did | 05:58 |
mwhudson | i'm not sure i meant to though... | 05:58 |
Damascene | kklimonda, ? | 05:59 |
persia | mwhudson: I think the change was correct. Try catching someone in #ubuntu-kernel (early in your morning Tues-Sat is likely best), and see what information you can provide to help them investigate further. | 06:00 |
mwhudson | persia: ok | 06:00 |
mwhudson | persia: thanks | 06:00 |
kklimonda | Damascene: you may fill the bug but I don't think it's something that should be fixed - there are two plugins and gnash is the name of the standalone application | 06:00 |
* persia would support wontfixing that : the firefox plugins *should* be installed separately. | 06:01 | |
persia | I believe there's even a helper tool installed by default that tries to install packaged plugins by preference (although this may be buggy) | 06:01 |
Damascene | if we install adobe flash player doesn't it comes with a plugin in firefox or people are using it for other perpse | 06:02 |
Damascene | *purpose | 06:02 |
Damascene | I think then we should file a bug against adobe flash player installing a plug in firefox by default. right? | 06:03 |
persia | I think that Adobe sticks everything in one package (standalone and plugin). I don't happen to think this is best practice. As the Adobe packages aren't controlled by us, we can't fix that bug. | 06:03 |
persia | Damascene: We can't : there's no bug tracker for the Adobe packages, but I agree it would be nice to do so. | 06:03 |
Damascene | if some one reported that to Adobe. they well think he is mad without doubt | 06:06 |
persia | Why? | 06:09 |
persia | Adobe certainly endorses the use of flash in contexts other than browsers. | 06:09 |
Damascene | do you know any one who do so? me. no | 06:10 |
persia | Actually, I do. | 06:11 |
persia | Lots of folks use flash for demos of various sorts. | 06:12 |
persia | I even use flash as the default interface for my smallest handheld. | 06:12 |
Damascene | but not the majority for sure | 06:12 |
persia | But is that because of this bug, or is this bug not important because of that? | 06:13 |
Damascene | why we don't file it against gnash and ask them to include it in their package as adobe do? | 06:16 |
Damascene | persia, it's a bug for me | 06:17 |
persia | I believe gnash has the correct behaviour and adobe doesn't. | 06:17 |
persia | I believe filing a bug against gnash would be precisely the wrong thing to do. | 06:17 |
Damascene | I heard "it's ubuntu's choice to package them separately" | 06:18 |
Damascene | you might install vlc without needing to use it with firefox but not a flash player for most user. any way I've had enough of that. maybe I'll file a bug or I might not. I'll think about it later | 06:20 |
kklimonda | Damascene: but as there are valid use cases for having a standalone flash player and not plugin you would have to rename gnash -> gnash-player and mozilla-plugin-gnash -> gnash. and then what about konqueror plugin? | 06:21 |
persia | Damascene: I don't see any supporting evidence of that being an Ubuntu-specific choice. The lack of recommends or depends matches Debian. | 06:21 |
Damascene | maybe this attitude against gnash because it has many weaknesses and it is not used by many people. I agree on that | 06:24 |
kklimonda | right, we believe that it's unsuitable for users and are making it hard to install both gnash and swfdec on purpose. That's why we use alternatives system so people can have all 3 plugins installed at the same time.. oh, wait.. | 06:26 |
Damascene | good you mentioned swfdec. I've installed the "swfdec-mozilla" but there was no change in firefox. is it a bug? | 06:27 |
kklimonda | no idea | 06:27 |
kklimonda | well, it's probably a bug if it doesn't work | 06:28 |
Damascene | thanks for letting me have this nice conversation | 06:28 |
Damascene | we are serving the community. trying to find what is the best. and I agree gnash doesn't look like a flash player for web browser right now | 06:30 |
persia | On the other hand, gnash is *way better* as an integrated component. Adobe doesn't expose their libraries well without special licensing. | 06:30 |
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BUGabundo_remote | morning | 08:32 |
Akos | hi everyone | 09:17 |
Akos | is there a channel for ubuntu-server specific bugs, or this is the right place for it? | 09:19 |
andol | Akos: Well, there is the channel #ubuntu-server, even if it's not really specific to handling bugs. I guess this channel is a good general choice no matter, but with #ubuntu-server as a second choice in case the bugs involves som rather techinal server issues. kind of. | 09:22 |
Akos | i dropped this question beacause i'd triage some bugs, just so i know where to bring the discussion (: | 09:24 |
andol | Akos: Well, feel free to begin here then :) | 09:25 |
Akos | andol: thank you (: | 09:26 |
persia | Akos: Just to add another opinion: this is the correct channel for triaging bugs: #ubuntu-server for coordinating development and support. | 09:31 |
Akos | okay, this makes more sence then. I shall stick around here. Too many channels confuse me (parting from #ubuntu-server ) | 09:32 |
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chrisccoulson | does anyone speak czech here? | 11:00 |
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cjwatson | can anyone reproduce the infinite loop in bug 540579? | 12:17 |
bcurtiswx_ | hmm.. my computer has a light that comes on when my computer sees it's plugged in.. yet right now ubuntu shows my battery is discharging....?? | 12:35 |
bcurtiswx_ | computer = laptop | 12:36 |
vish | pedro_: hi.. got a min? could you have a look at Bug #527569 ? I have evolution frozen atm , i'v tried to attach and got a backtrace | 13:26 |
ubot4` | Launchpad bug 527569 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Evolution freezes often [evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall() ] (affects: 2)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527569 | 13:26 |
pedro_ | vish, yup, let me have a look , one sec | 13:27 |
vish | it already has a backtrace the first one i started evolution /in/ gdb | 13:27 |
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vish | the second one i used (gdb) attach , but when i tried the Ctrl+c it doesnt seem to work if the program was already running , so i just skipped the option and retrieved the bt | 13:29 |
vish | wasnt sure if that was the right way [to skip continue], hence checking :) | 13:30 |
greg-g | ugh | 13:33 |
pedro_ | vish, could you get another one? the first one seems better but is missing a few symbols | 13:35 |
Pici | again | 13:35 |
pedro_ | vish, install the dbg packages for the libraries which are having a ?? as a symbol like: | 13:36 |
pedro_ | ?? () from /usr/lib/evolution-data-server-1.2/camel-providers/libcamelpop3.so | 13:36 |
BlackZ | hey pedro_ ! how are you ? | 13:36 |
vish | pedro_: evolution is frozen now , so i can use the attach , but would an install now help? | 13:36 |
pedro_ | vish, nope, you need to run the program again if you installed the dbg packages after the execution of that program | 13:37 |
vish | pedro_: ok , will do that.. thanks | 13:37 |
pedro_ | vish, you're welcome, just ping me if you need help with the backtrace | 13:38 |
vish | pedro_: the only problem is , if i try to do a (gdb) continue and then try Ctrl+c for an already frozen program , it doesnt end the program , is skipping the continue ok [if the program is already frozen]? | 13:39 |
pedro_ | vish, if the process is hanged and you attach gdb to it, it should (the vast majority of the programs) show you the backtrace and there's no need to use continue/ctr+c method | 13:42 |
pedro_ | vish, but since you can reproduce it easily, run it under gdb and wait for the issue to appear then attach that log | 13:43 |
vish | ok. neat , thanks.. | 13:43 |
pedro_ | vish, also , are you getting any evolution-data-server crash/hang ? | 13:44 |
pedro_ | vish, could you check using the same method and attach that output to the report as well? | 13:44 |
vish | pedro_: havent noticed the evo-data-sever causing problems , only the evolution is frozen | 13:45 |
nigelb | chrisccoulson: I had pinged you about 2 bugs last night, did you see them? | 14:16 |
chrisccoulson | nigelb - yes, thanks | 14:17 |
nigelb | chrisccoulson: gpm upstream comments were a bit harsh :( | 14:17 |
chrisccoulson | nigelb - yeah, they were fair though | 14:18 |
nigelb | chrisccoulson: ubuntu had agreed to use their convention, but we have deviated this time though | 14:18 |
chrisccoulson | we have a habit of making changes like this without discussing them with anyone, and GNOME has been string-frozen for ages too | 14:18 |
nigelb | chrisccoulson: we'll be undoing? | 14:19 |
chrisccoulson | i understand why hughsie is a bit annoyed with us | 14:19 |
chrisccoulson | i think one of the changes was already undone | 14:19 |
nigelb | oh, great :) | 14:19 |
chrisccoulson | i think people proposing these changes at a distro-level often don't appreciate the effort involved | 14:19 |
chrisccoulson | especially at this stage of the cycle. every time we change a string, it has to be translated again in every language | 14:20 |
nigelb | I know, I was surprised that the change got uploaded (urm, you did I think) | 14:20 |
Damascene | any one using vlc on lucid? http://www.khayma.com/tajweed/taha/lameyatebnalqayem.mp3 causing white noise | 14:23 |
cjwatson | chrisccoulson: I've been banging that drum at the installer level for years | 14:30 |
cjwatson | so now I'm just really hard-arsed | 14:30 |
chrisccoulson | cjwatson - yeah, it wouldn't have been so bad if the people proposing the changes did so a little bit earlier in the cycle | 14:31 |
chrisccoulson | but they all landed on the day of UI freeze | 14:31 |
cjwatson | freezes are like speed limits - they're a limit, not a target | 14:31 |
chrisccoulson | and our UI freeze is already way past the GNOME string freeze | 14:32 |
nigelb | cjwatson: the gpm upstream pretty much blasted me :( | 14:32 |
chrisccoulson | nigelb, don't take it personally | 14:33 |
chrisccoulson | i think he's upset with us in general | 14:33 |
nigelb | chrisccoulson: I was in shock for like first few minutes ;) | 14:33 |
nigelb | then I realized, I represented Ubuntu there, so he's just taking it out at Ubuntu | 14:33 |
vish | pedro_: for > ?? () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 which dbygsym should i install , i installed all these http://paste.ubuntu.com/399326/ , these were the ones i found having ?? in the last bt | 14:46 |
vish | btw , this is the bt now> http://paste.ubuntu.com/399325/ , it only has ?? for /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 | 14:47 |
pedro_ | vish, you installed the -cli (C# binding) instead of the one for that symbol | 14:48 |
nigelb | vish: I think I figured out the solution to our troubles in the hook. Should get some time to fix those today :) | 14:48 |
pedro_ | vish, the easier way to know which package to install is doing a : dpkg -S /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0 | 14:48 |
pedro_ | vish, then install the -dbgsym package for the package the command returns to you | 14:48 |
vish | pedro_: yeah , that[-cli] was the closest glib had , it didn have any other dbgsym | 14:48 |
* vish looks again | 14:49 | |
vish | rather is was -cil- | 14:49 |
pedro_ | vish, if the -dbgsym is not available for you just install the -dbg one: libglib2.0-0-dbg | 14:51 |
vish | right , thanks | 14:52 |
pedro_ | np | 14:52 |
vish | heh , evo is being quite the prankster :/ now that i have the -dbg installed it doesnt want to crash :s | 14:57 |
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nigelb | vish: got some time for testing ;) | 15:28 |
nigelb | vish: I think I have ironed out all the troubles. ping me if you got the time | 15:30 |
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vish | nigelb: heading out now, will be back in a bit.. i'll ping you asap | 15:47 |
nigelb | vish: k | 15:47 |
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nigelb | pedro_: how do we get the list of bugs for the hugday into the wiki? is there a tool? | 16:20 |
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yofel | nigelb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing#Generate%20the%20bug%20list ? | 16:27 |
nigelb | yofel: thank you :) | 16:27 |
nigelb | bdmurray: is there a place I could see the source for the script that does the patch tagging and subscribing? | 17:01 |
bdmurray | nigelb: No, not yet | 17:02 |
nigelb | bdmurray: seems to subscribe reviewers when release team is subscribed for FFE | 17:03 |
bdmurray | nigelb: what's the exact team name? | 17:03 |
nigelb | bdmurray: ubuntu-release | 17:04 |
bdmurray | nigelb: that's in there what is the bug number? | 17:04 |
nigelb | bug 221332 | 17:04 |
ubot4` | nigelb: Bug 221332 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/221332 is private | 17:04 |
* nigelb kicks ubot4` | 17:04 | |
bdmurray | nigelb: I'll have to do some digging to find out when ubuntu-release was subscribed vs when my script hit it. | 17:07 |
nigelb | bdmurray: ah. a small gap and the script hit it :) | 17:07 |
bdmurray | nigelb: I'm not positive but if that is the case I think I'll increase the amount of time between script runs | 17:08 |
bdmurray | since this has happened more than 1x | 17:08 |
nigelb | we've been fighting against an active script :) | 17:08 |
nigelb | never stays below 200 :D | 17:09 |
alex_mayorga | hi! Just wondering if there's anything I can contribute to bug 543114 | 17:12 |
ubot4` | Launchpad bug 543114 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "gnome-screensaver-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV in _fini() (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543114 | 17:12 |
alex_mayorga | or bug 94494 | 17:13 |
ubot4` | Launchpad bug 94494 in debian (and 2 other projects) "[needs-packaging] Songbird (affects: 34) (dups: 3)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94494 | 17:13 |
nigelb | bdmurray: I need a merge of lp-gm-scripts some time this week to add a reviewers team icon, working on getting it done | 17:13 |
bdmurray | nigelb: cool, that should be no problem | 17:14 |
nigelb | bdmurray: thank you :) | 17:14 |
nigelb | alex_mayorga: looking | 17:14 |
alex_mayorga | nigelb: thanks! | 17:15 |
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nigelb | alex_mayorga: I made that bug private earlier, why did you make it public? | 17:20 |
alex_mayorga | nigelb: why should it be private? | 17:21 |
alex_mayorga | nigelb: out of ignorance I guess :( | 17:21 |
nigelb | alex_mayorga: it has a coredump.gz, which can contain confidential information | 17:21 |
alex_mayorga | nigelb: oh! sorry then | 17:22 |
nigelb | alex_mayorga: apport retracer will remove it automatically and provide stack trace | 17:22 |
nigelb | and then make it public | 17:22 |
micahg | nigelb: no, the retracer will not necessarily make it public | 17:22 |
nigelb | micahg: oh. Didn't know. | 17:23 |
hggdh | because the expanded backtrace *may* contain private data. A triager still has to go through it, and make the decision | 17:26 |
nigelb | ah. | 17:27 |
hggdh | what happens is the retracer does a 'bt full' -- the 'full' means dump variable contents | 17:29 |
nigelb | which might contain private information | 17:31 |
persia` | skihero: Hey. Welcome to the bug coordination channel. | 17:38 |
persia` | Lots of good links in the /topic here, and if you've any questions, just ask, and someone will likely be happy to answer. | 17:38 |
skihero | persia`: thnx, really need to learn somethig | 17:38 |
* bjwebb wonders if there is any more he can do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/542237 | 17:39 | |
ubot4` | Launchpad bug 542237 in xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "UK Colemak Layout has bottom row offset (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] | 17:39 |
alex_mayorga | so there's nothing else needed from this end on those? | 17:40 |
hggdh | alex_mayorga, those which? | 17:42 |
hggdh | ;-) | 17:42 |
hggdh | or, better stating, which 'those'? | 17:43 |
persia` | bjwebb: Looks in a good state to me. Marking Triaged/Low | 17:43 |
bjwebb | persia`: okay | 17:43 |
bjwebb | persia`: i'd just really like to see it fixed in release, but i guess its unlikely | 17:43 |
bjwebb | its annoying, it'll be a major pain for anyone that uses colemak in a uk, and it was literally patched in by someone who thought the right way was wrong :/ | 17:44 |
persia` | bjwebb: Just needs a developer to push the change. | 17:45 |
alex_mayorga | 543114 and 194494 | 17:45 |
bjwebb | persia`: okay | 17:45 |
hggdh | bug 543114 | 17:45 |
* hggdh kicks ubot4` | 17:46 | |
* BUGabundo_remote helps pushing it of the clif | 17:47 | |
hggdh | alex_mayorga, for ug 543114 we need to wait for apport to do its magiv | 17:47 |
hggdh | magic | 17:47 |
alex_mayorga | BUGabundo_remote: LOL | 17:47 |
hggdh | alex_mayorga, bug 194494 will start getting some attention now (pedro just set it assigned) | 17:49 |
ubot4` | Launchpad bug 194494 in telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 5 other projects) "telepathy-butterfly crashed with NotImplementedError in _on_error() (affects: 257) (dups: 32)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194494 | 17:49 |
hggdh | BUGabundo_remote, thank you, it helped | 17:49 |
alex_mayorga | thanks, just saw that on my mailbox | 17:49 |
BUGabundo_remote | hggdh: it's a question of how hard you push them | 17:50 |
hggdh | BUGabundo_remote, I see. I need to get more, er, assertive ;-) | 17:51 |
BUGabundo_remote | or violent | 17:53 |
BUGabundo_remote | this bots only know one way | 17:54 |
BUGabundo_remote | until someone passes laws forbiding it | 17:54 |
BUGabundo_remote | enjoy kinking bots arse, instead humans | 17:54 |
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cactaur | Hey I have a question. So I've found duplicate bug reports. One has been recently filed by apport and has a status as "New", and the other was done by hand, but has already been triaged. Which one should I mark as the duplicate, since the former looks more complete, but apparently the latter was complete enough. | 21:09 |
cactaur | I'm talking about bug #345387 vs. #522102 | 21:12 |
hggdh | bug 345387 552102 | 21:12 |
ubot4` | hggdh: Bug 345387 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/345387 is private | 21:12 |
cactaur | bug 522102 | 21:13 |
ubot4` | Launchpad bug 522102 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Unable to set 4 horizontal desktops (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522102 | 21:13 |
cactaur | Not to mention the latter is in the wrong category. | 21:14 |
hggdh | cactaur, go ahead and set 522102 as a dup of 345287 | 21:14 |
cactaur | All right, thanks! | 21:15 |
hggdh | cactaur, and thank you for helping ;-) | 21:17 |
Linux000 | Does anyone know how to downgrade a package in terminal? | 21:24 |
jibel | who manage the package status page http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/ ? | 21:28 |
hggdh | Linux000, if you have the .deb, just sudo dpkg -i <deb> | 21:28 |
Linux000 | hggdh: Thanks, I will try to find the deb's | 21:29 |
hggdh | jibel, what is the issue there? | 21:29 |
hggdh | (and, probably, #ubuntu-quality or #ubuntu-testing is a better place to ask) | 21:30 |
jibel | It would be nice to add grub2 in lowlovel | 21:31 |
micahg | jibel: ubuntu-qa-website | 21:31 |
hggdh | Linux000, also, with apt-get -- apt-get --reinstall install xpto =1.2.3.4-0ubuntu27 | 21:31 |
jibel | micahg, thanks | 21:31 |
micahg | jibel: project on LP :) | 21:31 |
jibel | Yes, I'll file a bug, | 21:32 |
hggdh | of course, there is the micahg bot to answer ;-) | 21:32 |
Linux000 | Hmm, will try that :) | 21:32 |
* micahg goes hunting for factoids | 21:32 | |
hggdh | Linux000, when in doubt... man apt-get ;-) | 21:32 |
Linux000 | I tried, that couldn't find anything | 21:33 |
hggdh | Linux000, heh. In the SYNOPSIS... | 21:34 |
Linux000 | Ahh | 21:34 |
hggdh | Linux000, no prob. This is an UNIX man page, after all, not expected to be easy to use ;-) | 21:38 |
vish | hmm , i'm having a weird problem ,the system slows down and everything is slow to react[random]. the mouse pointer has no lag though... earlier i used to SAK/logout of session and return to session and everything would be fine.. .. now , i seem to have a workaround of sorts.. when i switch to a guest session and return , everything is normal and works fine... anyone heard of such a bug? | 21:38 |
vish | no errors in logs or .xsession-errors either :s | 21:39 |
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baptistemm_ | hello | 22:01 |
baptistemm_ | can someone raise importance of bug 544434 (I guess uninstallable software is quite important) | 22:01 |
ubot4` | Launchpad bug 544434 in ufraw (Ubuntu) "ufraw not installable due to dependency libexiv2-5 not installable (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/544434 | 22:01 |
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zerwas | I hope this channel is okay to ask my question: I don't know where to file a request for having a suitable theme in Chromium package by default | 22:38 |
jcastro | zerwas: I've filed one, it's not so simple | 22:40 |
micahg | bug 543619 | 22:40 |
ubot4` | Launchpad bug 543619 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Ship ambiance/radiance themes by default (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543619 | 22:40 |
jcastro | chromium doesn't have a system place to put themes | 22:40 |
zerwas | I see. That fact might make it quite difficult | 22:41 |
* hggdh should know better than to try fglrx again :-( | 23:06 | |
nigelb | hggdh: hey, wrote my next apport hook :) | 23:08 |
hggdh | nigelb, cool! There are now only about 9,637 packages to get a hook ;-) | 23:10 |
hggdh | (give or take a few thousands) | 23:10 |
nigelb | hggdh: one at a time | 23:11 |
hggdh | heh | 23:11 |
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