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HellowCould someone mark bug #543851 as wishlist, please?01:31
ubot4`Launchpad bug 543851 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 (Ubuntu) "New upstream 173.14.25 available (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54385101:31
nigelbmicahg: got any new mails on bug squad ML?02:28
micahgnigelb: yours02:28
nigelbmicahg: phew :)  I didnt get the confirmation mail.  got worried it got lost02:29
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mwhudsonapologies if this is not the place to ask this05:45
mwhudsonbut this bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/377598 is still affecting me in lucid05:45
ubot4`Launchpad bug 377598 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[i945gm] Video corruption when disabling internal monitor (affects: 5)" [High,Confirmed]05:45
mwhudsoneven though it's fix released for xf86-video-intel05:46
Damascenehello, I wonder why mozilla-plugins-gnash isn't a dependences of gnash?05:46
kklimondaDamascene: because gnash can be used as a standalone application afair05:46
Damasceneso someone thinks that people installing gnash may not use it with firefox?!!05:48
Damasceneis there a bug about that or I might file one?05:48
kklimondaDamascene: people who want to use it with firefox should install firefox plugin05:51
Damascenewhat if some one doens't think so? might he file a bug?05:52
kklimondaDamascene: and what is your reasoning?05:53
persiamwhudson: There's two tasks in that bug: looks like the kernel portion isn't resolved yet.  Are you sure you're still seeing issues in the X driver?05:54
mwhudsonpersia: i'm running a kernel newer than that linked in the freedesktop.org bug report05:54
mwhudsoni thnk05:54
DamasceneI think 99% of people download flash player is for web05:54
mwhudsonhm, maybe not05:55
persiamwhudson: Ah, you reopened it (I've just gotten through the log).05:55
mwhudsoni don't think i touched the status did i?05:56
persiahttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/377598/+activity claims you did (about 6 weeks ago) or else I'm confused.05:57
ubot4`Launchpad bug 377598 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[i945gm] Video corruption when disabling internal monitor (affects: 5)" [High,Confirmed]05:57
mwhudsonpersia: oh yeah, so i did05:58
mwhudsoni'm not sure i meant to though...05:58
Damascenekklimonda, ?05:59
persiamwhudson: I think the change was correct.  Try catching someone in #ubuntu-kernel (early in your morning Tues-Sat is likely best), and see what information you can provide to help them investigate further.06:00
mwhudsonpersia: ok06:00
mwhudsonpersia: thanks06:00
kklimondaDamascene: you may fill the bug but I don't think it's something that should be fixed - there are two plugins and gnash is the name of the standalone application06:00
* persia would support wontfixing that : the firefox plugins *should* be installed separately.06:01
persiaI believe there's even a helper tool installed by default that tries to install packaged plugins by preference (although this may be buggy)06:01
Damasceneif we install adobe flash player doesn't it comes with a plugin in firefox or people are using it for other perpse06:02
Damascene*purpose06:02
DamasceneI think then we should file a bug against adobe flash player installing a plug in firefox by default. right?06:03
persiaI think that Adobe sticks everything in one package (standalone and plugin).  I don't happen to think this is best practice.  As the Adobe packages aren't controlled by us, we can't fix that bug.06:03
persiaDamascene: We can't : there's no bug tracker for the Adobe packages, but I agree it would be nice to do so.06:03
Damasceneif some one reported that to Adobe. they well think he is mad without doubt06:06
persiaWhy?06:09
persiaAdobe certainly endorses the use of flash in contexts other than browsers.06:09
Damascenedo you know any one who do so? me. no06:10
persiaActually, I do.06:11
persiaLots of folks use flash for demos of various sorts.06:12
persiaI even use flash as the default interface for my smallest handheld.06:12
Damascenebut not the majority for sure06:12
persiaBut is that because of this bug, or is this bug not important because of that?06:13
Damascenewhy we don't file it against gnash and ask them to include it in their package as adobe do?06:16
Damascenepersia, it's a bug for me06:17
persiaI believe gnash has the correct behaviour and adobe doesn't.06:17
persiaI believe filing a bug against gnash would be precisely the wrong thing to do.06:17
DamasceneI heard "it's ubuntu's choice to package them separately"06:18
Damasceneyou might install vlc without needing to use it with firefox but not a flash player for most user. any way I've had enough of that. maybe I'll file a bug or I might not. I'll think about it later06:20
kklimondaDamascene: but as there are valid use cases for having a standalone flash player and not plugin you would have to rename gnash -> gnash-player and mozilla-plugin-gnash -> gnash. and then what about konqueror plugin?06:21
persiaDamascene: I don't see any supporting evidence of that being an Ubuntu-specific choice.  The lack of recommends or depends matches Debian.06:21
Damascenemaybe this attitude against gnash because it has many weaknesses and it is not used by many people. I agree on that06:24
kklimondaright, we believe that it's unsuitable for users and are making it hard to install both gnash and swfdec on purpose. That's why we use alternatives system so people can have all 3 plugins installed at the same time.. oh, wait..06:26
Damascenegood you mentioned swfdec. I've installed the "swfdec-mozilla" but there was no change in firefox. is it a bug?06:27
kklimondano idea06:27
kklimondawell, it's probably a bug if it doesn't work06:28
Damascenethanks for letting me have this nice conversation06:28
Damascenewe are serving the community. trying to find what is the best. and I agree gnash doesn't look like a flash player for web browser right now06:30
persiaOn the other hand, gnash is *way better* as an integrated component.  Adobe doesn't expose their libraries well without special licensing.06:30
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BUGabundo_remotemorning08:32
Akoshi everyone09:17
Akosis there a channel for ubuntu-server specific bugs, or this is the right place for it?09:19
andolAkos: Well, there is the channel #ubuntu-server, even if it's not really specific to handling bugs. I guess this channel is a good general choice no matter, but with #ubuntu-server as a second choice in case the bugs involves som rather techinal server issues. kind of.09:22
Akosi dropped this question beacause i'd triage some bugs, just so i know where to bring the discussion (:09:24
andolAkos: Well, feel free to begin here then :)09:25
Akosandol: thank you (:09:26
persiaAkos: Just to add another opinion: this is the correct channel for triaging bugs: #ubuntu-server for coordinating development and support.09:31
Akosokay, this makes more sence then. I shall stick around here. Too many channels confuse me (parting from #ubuntu-server )09:32
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chrisccoulsondoes anyone speak czech here?11:00
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cjwatsoncan anyone reproduce the infinite loop in bug 540579?12:17
bcurtiswx_hmm.. my computer has a light that comes on when my computer sees it's plugged in.. yet right now ubuntu shows my battery is discharging....??12:35
bcurtiswx_computer = laptop12:36
vishpedro_: hi.. got a min? could you have a look at Bug #527569 ? I have evolution frozen atm , i'v tried to attach and got a backtrace13:26
ubot4`Launchpad bug 527569 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Evolution freezes often [evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall() ] (affects: 2)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52756913:26
pedro_vish, yup, let me have a look , one sec13:27
vishit already has a backtrace the first one i started evolution /in/ gdb13:27
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vishthe second one i used (gdb) attach , but when i tried the Ctrl+c it doesnt seem to work if the program was already running , so i just skipped the option and retrieved the bt13:29
vishwasnt sure if that was the right way [to skip continue], hence checking :)13:30
greg-gugh13:33
pedro_vish, could you get another one? the first one seems better but is missing a few symbols13:35
Piciagain13:35
pedro_vish, install the dbg packages for the libraries which are having a ?? as a symbol like:13:36
pedro_?? () from /usr/lib/evolution-data-server-1.2/camel-providers/libcamelpop3.so13:36
BlackZhey pedro_ ! how are you ?13:36
vishpedro_: evolution is frozen now , so i can use the attach , but would an install now help?13:36
pedro_vish, nope, you need to run the program again if you installed the dbg packages after the execution of that program13:37
vishpedro_: ok , will do that..  thanks13:37
pedro_vish, you're welcome, just ping me if you need help with the backtrace13:38
vishpedro_: the only problem is , if i try to do a (gdb) continue and then try Ctrl+c  for an already frozen program , it doesnt end the program , is skipping the continue ok [if the program is already frozen]?13:39
pedro_vish, if the process is hanged and you attach gdb to it, it should (the vast majority of the programs) show you  the backtrace and there's no need to use continue/ctr+c method13:42
pedro_vish, but since you can reproduce it easily, run it under gdb and wait for the issue to appear then attach that log13:43
vishok. neat , thanks..13:43
pedro_vish, also , are you getting any evolution-data-server crash/hang ?13:44
pedro_vish, could you check using the same method and attach that output to the report as well?13:44
vishpedro_: havent noticed the evo-data-sever causing problems , only the evolution is frozen13:45
nigelbchrisccoulson: I had pinged you about 2 bugs last night, did you see them?14:16
chrisccoulsonnigelb - yes, thanks14:17
nigelbchrisccoulson: gpm upstream comments were a bit harsh :(14:17
chrisccoulsonnigelb - yeah, they were fair though14:18
nigelbchrisccoulson: ubuntu had agreed to use their convention, but we have deviated this time though14:18
chrisccoulsonwe have a habit of making changes like this without discussing them with anyone, and GNOME has been string-frozen for ages too14:18
nigelbchrisccoulson: we'll be undoing?14:19
chrisccoulsoni understand why hughsie is a bit annoyed with us14:19
chrisccoulsoni think one of the changes was already undone14:19
nigelboh, great :)14:19
chrisccoulsoni think people proposing these changes at a distro-level often don't appreciate the effort involved14:19
chrisccoulsonespecially at this stage of the cycle. every time we change a string, it has to be translated again in every language14:20
nigelbI know, I was surprised that the change got uploaded (urm, you did I think)14:20
Damasceneany one using vlc on lucid?   http://www.khayma.com/tajweed/taha/lameyatebnalqayem.mp3 causing white noise14:23
cjwatsonchrisccoulson: I've been banging that drum at the installer level for years14:30
cjwatsonso now I'm just really hard-arsed14:30
chrisccoulsoncjwatson - yeah, it wouldn't have been so bad if the people proposing the changes did so a little bit earlier in the cycle14:31
chrisccoulsonbut they all landed on the day of UI freeze14:31
cjwatsonfreezes are like speed limits - they're a limit, not a target14:31
chrisccoulsonand our UI freeze is already way past the GNOME string freeze14:32
nigelbcjwatson: the gpm upstream pretty much blasted me :(14:32
chrisccoulsonnigelb, don't take it personally14:33
chrisccoulsoni think he's upset with us in general14:33
nigelbchrisccoulson: I was in shock for like first few minutes ;)14:33
nigelbthen I realized, I represented Ubuntu there, so he's just taking it out at Ubuntu14:33
vishpedro_: for > ?? () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0  which dbygsym should i install , i installed all these http://paste.ubuntu.com/399326/ , these were the ones i found having ?? in the last bt14:46
vishbtw , this is the bt now> http://paste.ubuntu.com/399325/ , it only has ?? for  /lib/libglib-2.0.so.014:47
pedro_vish, you installed the -cli (C# binding) instead of the one for that symbol14:48
nigelbvish: I think I figured out the solution to our troubles in the hook.  Should get some time to fix those today :)14:48
pedro_vish, the easier way to know which package to install is doing a : dpkg -S /lib/libglib-2.0.so.014:48
pedro_vish, then install the -dbgsym package for the package the command returns to you14:48
vishpedro_: yeah , that[-cli] was the closest glib had , it didn have any other dbgsym14:48
* vish looks again14:49
vishrather is was -cil-14:49
pedro_vish, if the -dbgsym is not available for you just install the -dbg one: libglib2.0-0-dbg14:51
vishright , thanks14:52
pedro_np14:52
vishheh , evo is being quite the prankster :/   now that i have the -dbg installed it doesnt want to crash :s14:57
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nigelbvish: got some time for testing ;)15:28
nigelbvish: I think I have ironed out all the troubles.  ping me if you got the time15:30
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vishnigelb: heading out now, will be back in a bit.. i'll ping you asap15:47
nigelbvish: k15:47
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nigelbpedro_: how do we get the list of bugs for the hugday into the wiki? is there a tool?16:20
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yofelnigelb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing#Generate%20the%20bug%20list ?16:27
nigelbyofel: thank you :)16:27
nigelbbdmurray: is there a place I could see the source for the script that does the patch tagging and subscribing?17:01
bdmurraynigelb: No, not yet17:02
nigelbbdmurray: seems to subscribe reviewers when release team is subscribed for FFE17:03
bdmurraynigelb: what's the exact team name?17:03
nigelbbdmurray: ubuntu-release17:04
bdmurraynigelb: that's in there what is the bug number?17:04
nigelbbug 22133217:04
ubot4`nigelb: Bug 221332 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/221332 is private17:04
* nigelb kicks ubot4` 17:04
bdmurraynigelb: I'll have to do some digging to find out when ubuntu-release was subscribed vs when my script hit it.17:07
nigelbbdmurray: ah.  a small gap and the script hit it :)17:07
bdmurraynigelb: I'm not positive but if that is the case I think I'll increase the amount of time between script runs17:08
bdmurraysince this has happened more than 1x17:08
nigelbwe've been fighting against an active script :)17:08
nigelbnever stays below 200 :D17:09
alex_mayorgahi! Just wondering if there's anything I can contribute to bug 54311417:12
ubot4`Launchpad bug 543114 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "gnome-screensaver-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV in _fini() (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54311417:12
alex_mayorgaor bug 9449417:13
ubot4`Launchpad bug 94494 in debian (and 2 other projects) "[needs-packaging] Songbird (affects: 34) (dups: 3)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/9449417:13
nigelbbdmurray: I need a merge of lp-gm-scripts some time this week to add a reviewers team icon, working on getting it done17:13
bdmurraynigelb: cool, that should be no problem17:14
nigelbbdmurray: thank you :)17:14
nigelbalex_mayorga: looking17:14
alex_mayorganigelb: thanks!17:15
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nigelbalex_mayorga: I made that bug private earlier, why did you make it public?17:20
alex_mayorganigelb: why should it be private?17:21
alex_mayorganigelb: out of ignorance I guess :(17:21
nigelbalex_mayorga: it has a coredump.gz, which can contain confidential information17:21
alex_mayorganigelb: oh! sorry then17:22
nigelbalex_mayorga: apport retracer will remove it automatically and provide stack trace17:22
nigelband then make it public17:22
micahgnigelb: no, the retracer will not necessarily make it public17:22
nigelbmicahg: oh.  Didn't know.17:23
hggdhbecause the expanded backtrace *may* contain private data. A triager still has to go through it, and make the decision17:26
nigelbah.17:27
hggdhwhat happens is the retracer does a 'bt full' -- the 'full' means dump variable contents17:29
nigelbwhich might contain private information17:31
persia`skihero: Hey.  Welcome to the bug coordination channel.17:38
persia`Lots of good links in the /topic here, and if you've any questions, just ask, and someone will likely be happy to answer.17:38
skiheropersia`: thnx, really need to learn somethig17:38
* bjwebb wonders if there is any more he can do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/54223717:39
ubot4`Launchpad bug 542237 in xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "UK Colemak Layout has bottom row offset (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]17:39
alex_mayorgaso there's nothing else needed from this end on those?17:40
hggdhalex_mayorga, those which?17:42
hggdh;-)17:42
hggdhor, better stating, which 'those'?17:43
persia`bjwebb: Looks in a good state to me.  Marking Triaged/Low17:43
bjwebbpersia`: okay17:43
bjwebbpersia`: i'd just really like to see it fixed in release, but i guess its unlikely17:43
bjwebbits annoying, it'll be a major pain for anyone that uses colemak in a uk, and it was literally patched in by someone who thought the right way was wrong :/17:44
persia`bjwebb: Just needs a developer to push the change.17:45
alex_mayorga543114 and 19449417:45
bjwebbpersia`: okay17:45
hggdhbug 54311417:45
* hggdh kicks ubot4` 17:46
* BUGabundo_remote helps pushing it of the clif17:47
hggdhalex_mayorga, for ug 543114 we need to wait for apport to do its magiv17:47
hggdhmagic17:47
alex_mayorgaBUGabundo_remote: LOL17:47
hggdhalex_mayorga, bug 194494 will start getting some attention now (pedro just set it assigned)17:49
ubot4`Launchpad bug 194494 in telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 5 other projects) "telepathy-butterfly crashed with NotImplementedError in _on_error() (affects: 257) (dups: 32)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/19449417:49
hggdhBUGabundo_remote, thank you, it helped17:49
alex_mayorgathanks, just saw that on my mailbox17:49
BUGabundo_remotehggdh: it's a question of how hard you push them17:50
hggdhBUGabundo_remote, I see. I need to get more, er, assertive ;-)17:51
BUGabundo_remoteor violent17:53
BUGabundo_remotethis bots only know one way17:54
BUGabundo_remoteuntil someone passes laws forbiding it17:54
BUGabundo_remoteenjoy kinking bots arse, instead humans17:54
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cactaurHey I have a question. So I've found duplicate bug reports. One has been recently filed by apport and has a status as "New", and the other was done by hand, but has already been triaged. Which one should I mark as the duplicate, since the former looks more complete, but apparently the latter was complete enough.21:09
cactaurI'm talking about bug #345387 vs. #52210221:12
hggdhbug 345387 55210221:12
ubot4`hggdh: Bug 345387 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/345387 is private21:12
cactaurbug 52210221:13
ubot4`Launchpad bug 522102 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Unable to set 4 horizontal desktops (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52210221:13
cactaurNot to mention the latter is in the wrong category.21:14
hggdhcactaur, go ahead and set 522102 as a dup of 34528721:14
cactaurAll right, thanks!21:15
hggdhcactaur, and thank you for helping ;-)21:17
Linux000Does anyone know how to downgrade a package in terminal?21:24
jibelwho manage the package status page http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/ ?21:28
hggdhLinux000, if you have the .deb, just sudo dpkg -i <deb>21:28
Linux000hggdh: Thanks, I will try to find the deb's21:29
hggdhjibel, what is the issue there?21:29
hggdh(and, probably, #ubuntu-quality or #ubuntu-testing is a better place to ask)21:30
jibelIt would be nice to add grub2 in lowlovel21:31
micahgjibel: ubuntu-qa-website21:31
hggdhLinux000, also, with apt-get -- apt-get --reinstall install xpto =1.2.3.4-0ubuntu2721:31
jibelmicahg, thanks21:31
micahgjibel: project on LP :)21:31
jibelYes, I'll file a bug,21:32
hggdhof course, there is the micahg bot to answer ;-)21:32
Linux000Hmm, will try that :)21:32
* micahg goes hunting for factoids21:32
hggdhLinux000, when in doubt... man apt-get ;-)21:32
Linux000I tried, that couldn't find anything21:33
hggdhLinux000, heh. In the SYNOPSIS...21:34
Linux000Ahh21:34
hggdhLinux000, no prob. This is an UNIX man page, after all, not expected to be easy to use ;-)21:38
vishhmm , i'm having a weird problem ,the system slows down and everything is slow to react[random]. the mouse pointer has no lag though... earlier i used to SAK/logout of session and return to session and everything would be fine.. ..  now , i seem to have a workaround of sorts.. when i switch to a guest session and return , everything is normal and works fine... anyone heard of such a bug?21:38
vishno errors in logs or .xsession-errors either :s21:39
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baptistemm_hello22:01
baptistemm_can someone raise importance of bug 544434 (I guess uninstallable software is quite important)22:01
ubot4`Launchpad bug 544434 in ufraw (Ubuntu) "ufraw not installable due to dependency libexiv2-5 not installable (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54443422:01
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zerwasI hope this channel is okay to ask my question: I don't know where to file a request for having a suitable theme in Chromium package by default22:38
jcastrozerwas: I've filed one, it's not so simple22:40
micahgbug 54361922:40
ubot4`Launchpad bug 543619 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Ship ambiance/radiance themes by default (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54361922:40
jcastrochromium doesn't have a system place to put themes22:40
zerwasI see. That fact might make it quite difficult22:41
* hggdh should know better than to try fglrx again :-(23:06
nigelbhggdh: hey, wrote my next apport hook :)23:08
hggdhnigelb, cool! There are now only about 9,637 packages to get a hook ;-)23:10
hggdh(give or take a few thousands)23:10
nigelbhggdh: one at a time23:11
hggdhheh23:11

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