[01:31] <Hellow> Could someone mark bug #543851 as wishlist, please?
[01:31] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 543851 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-173 (Ubuntu) "New upstream 173.14.25 available (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543851
[02:28] <nigelb> micahg: got any new mails on bug squad ML?
[02:28] <micahg> nigelb: yours
[02:29] <nigelb> micahg: phew :)  I didnt get the confirmation mail.  got worried it got lost
[05:45] <mwhudson> apologies if this is not the place to ask this
[05:45] <mwhudson> but this bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/377598 is still affecting me in lucid
[05:45] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 377598 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[i945gm] Video corruption when disabling internal monitor (affects: 5)" [High,Confirmed]
[05:46] <mwhudson> even though it's fix released for xf86-video-intel
[05:46] <Damascene> hello, I wonder why mozilla-plugins-gnash isn't a dependences of gnash?
[05:46] <kklimonda> Damascene: because gnash can be used as a standalone application afair
[05:48] <Damascene> so someone thinks that people installing gnash may not use it with firefox?!!
[05:48] <Damascene> is there a bug about that or I might file one?
[05:51] <kklimonda> Damascene: people who want to use it with firefox should install firefox plugin
[05:52] <Damascene> what if some one doens't think so? might he file a bug?
[05:53] <kklimonda> Damascene: and what is your reasoning?
[05:54] <persia> mwhudson: There's two tasks in that bug: looks like the kernel portion isn't resolved yet.  Are you sure you're still seeing issues in the X driver?
[05:54] <mwhudson> persia: i'm running a kernel newer than that linked in the freedesktop.org bug report
[05:54] <mwhudson> i thnk
[05:54] <Damascene> I think 99% of people download flash player is for web
[05:55] <mwhudson> hm, maybe not
[05:55] <persia> mwhudson: Ah, you reopened it (I've just gotten through the log).
[05:56] <mwhudson> i don't think i touched the status did i?
[05:57] <persia> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/377598/+activity claims you did (about 6 weeks ago) or else I'm confused.
[05:57] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 377598 in linux (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "[i945gm] Video corruption when disabling internal monitor (affects: 5)" [High,Confirmed]
[05:58] <mwhudson> persia: oh yeah, so i did
[05:58] <mwhudson> i'm not sure i meant to though...
[05:59] <Damascene> kklimonda, ?
[06:00] <persia> mwhudson: I think the change was correct.  Try catching someone in #ubuntu-kernel (early in your morning Tues-Sat is likely best), and see what information you can provide to help them investigate further.
[06:00] <mwhudson> persia: ok
[06:00] <mwhudson> persia: thanks
[06:00] <kklimonda> Damascene: you may fill the bug but I don't think it's something that should be fixed - there are two plugins and gnash is the name of the standalone application
[06:01]  * persia would support wontfixing that : the firefox plugins *should* be installed separately.
[06:01] <persia> I believe there's even a helper tool installed by default that tries to install packaged plugins by preference (although this may be buggy)
[06:02] <Damascene> if we install adobe flash player doesn't it comes with a plugin in firefox or people are using it for other perpse
[06:02] <Damascene> *purpose
[06:03] <Damascene> I think then we should file a bug against adobe flash player installing a plug in firefox by default. right?
[06:03] <persia> I think that Adobe sticks everything in one package (standalone and plugin).  I don't happen to think this is best practice.  As the Adobe packages aren't controlled by us, we can't fix that bug.
[06:03] <persia> Damascene: We can't : there's no bug tracker for the Adobe packages, but I agree it would be nice to do so.
[06:06] <Damascene> if some one reported that to Adobe. they well think he is mad without doubt
[06:09] <persia> Why?
[06:09] <persia> Adobe certainly endorses the use of flash in contexts other than browsers.
[06:10] <Damascene> do you know any one who do so? me. no
[06:11] <persia> Actually, I do.
[06:12] <persia> Lots of folks use flash for demos of various sorts.
[06:12] <persia> I even use flash as the default interface for my smallest handheld.
[06:12] <Damascene> but not the majority for sure
[06:13] <persia> But is that because of this bug, or is this bug not important because of that?
[06:16] <Damascene> why we don't file it against gnash and ask them to include it in their package as adobe do?
[06:17] <Damascene> persia, it's a bug for me
[06:17] <persia> I believe gnash has the correct behaviour and adobe doesn't.
[06:17] <persia> I believe filing a bug against gnash would be precisely the wrong thing to do.
[06:18] <Damascene> I heard "it's ubuntu's choice to package them separately"
[06:20] <Damascene> you might install vlc without needing to use it with firefox but not a flash player for most user. any way I've had enough of that. maybe I'll file a bug or I might not. I'll think about it later
[06:21] <kklimonda> Damascene: but as there are valid use cases for having a standalone flash player and not plugin you would have to rename gnash -> gnash-player and mozilla-plugin-gnash -> gnash. and then what about konqueror plugin?
[06:21] <persia> Damascene: I don't see any supporting evidence of that being an Ubuntu-specific choice.  The lack of recommends or depends matches Debian.
[06:24] <Damascene> maybe this attitude against gnash because it has many weaknesses and it is not used by many people. I agree on that
[06:26] <kklimonda> right, we believe that it's unsuitable for users and are making it hard to install both gnash and swfdec on purpose. That's why we use alternatives system so people can have all 3 plugins installed at the same time.. oh, wait..
[06:27] <Damascene> good you mentioned swfdec. I've installed the "swfdec-mozilla" but there was no change in firefox. is it a bug?
[06:27] <kklimonda> no idea
[06:28] <kklimonda> well, it's probably a bug if it doesn't work
[06:28] <Damascene> thanks for letting me have this nice conversation
[06:30] <Damascene> we are serving the community. trying to find what is the best. and I agree gnash doesn't look like a flash player for web browser right now
[06:30] <persia> On the other hand, gnash is *way better* as an integrated component.  Adobe doesn't expose their libraries well without special licensing.
[08:32] <BUGabundo_remote> morning
[09:17] <Akos> hi everyone
[09:19] <Akos> is there a channel for ubuntu-server specific bugs, or this is the right place for it?
[09:22] <andol> Akos: Well, there is the channel #ubuntu-server, even if it's not really specific to handling bugs. I guess this channel is a good general choice no matter, but with #ubuntu-server as a second choice in case the bugs involves som rather techinal server issues. kind of.
[09:24] <Akos> i dropped this question beacause i'd triage some bugs, just so i know where to bring the discussion (:
[09:25] <andol> Akos: Well, feel free to begin here then :)
[09:26] <Akos> andol: thank you (:
[09:31] <persia> Akos: Just to add another opinion: this is the correct channel for triaging bugs: #ubuntu-server for coordinating development and support.
[09:32] <Akos> okay, this makes more sence then. I shall stick around here. Too many channels confuse me (parting from #ubuntu-server )
[11:00] <chrisccoulson> does anyone speak czech here?
[12:17] <cjwatson> can anyone reproduce the infinite loop in bug 540579?
[12:35] <bcurtiswx_> hmm.. my computer has a light that comes on when my computer sees it's plugged in.. yet right now ubuntu shows my battery is discharging....??
[12:36] <bcurtiswx_> computer = laptop
[13:26] <vish> pedro_: hi.. got a min? could you have a look at Bug #527569 ? I have evolution frozen atm , i'v tried to attach and got a backtrace
[13:26] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 527569 in evolution (Ubuntu) "Evolution freezes often [evolution crashed with SIGSEGV in __kernel_vsyscall() ] (affects: 2)" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527569
[13:27] <pedro_> vish, yup, let me have a look , one sec
[13:27] <vish> it already has a backtrace the first one i started evolution /in/ gdb
[13:29] <vish> the second one i used (gdb) attach , but when i tried the Ctrl+c it doesnt seem to work if the program was already running , so i just skipped the option and retrieved the bt
[13:30] <vish> wasnt sure if that was the right way [to skip continue], hence checking :)
[13:33] <greg-g> ugh
[13:35] <pedro_> vish, could you get another one? the first one seems better but is missing a few symbols
[13:35] <Pici> again
[13:36] <pedro_> vish, install the dbg packages for the libraries which are having a ?? as a symbol like:
[13:36] <pedro_> ?? () from /usr/lib/evolution-data-server-1.2/camel-providers/libcamelpop3.so
[13:36] <BlackZ> hey pedro_ ! how are you ?
[13:36] <vish> pedro_: evolution is frozen now , so i can use the attach , but would an install now help?
[13:37] <pedro_> vish, nope, you need to run the program again if you installed the dbg packages after the execution of that program
[13:37] <vish> pedro_: ok , will do that..  thanks
[13:38] <pedro_> vish, you're welcome, just ping me if you need help with the backtrace
[13:39] <vish> pedro_: the only problem is , if i try to do a (gdb) continue and then try Ctrl+c  for an already frozen program , it doesnt end the program , is skipping the continue ok [if the program is already frozen]?
[13:42] <pedro_> vish, if the process is hanged and you attach gdb to it, it should (the vast majority of the programs) show you  the backtrace and there's no need to use continue/ctr+c method
[13:43] <pedro_> vish, but since you can reproduce it easily, run it under gdb and wait for the issue to appear then attach that log
[13:43] <vish> ok. neat , thanks..
[13:44] <pedro_> vish, also , are you getting any evolution-data-server crash/hang ?
[13:44] <pedro_> vish, could you check using the same method and attach that output to the report as well?
[13:45] <vish> pedro_: havent noticed the evo-data-sever causing problems , only the evolution is frozen
[14:16] <nigelb> chrisccoulson: I had pinged you about 2 bugs last night, did you see them?
[14:17] <chrisccoulson> nigelb - yes, thanks
[14:17] <nigelb> chrisccoulson: gpm upstream comments were a bit harsh :(
[14:18] <chrisccoulson> nigelb - yeah, they were fair though
[14:18] <nigelb> chrisccoulson: ubuntu had agreed to use their convention, but we have deviated this time though
[14:18] <chrisccoulson> we have a habit of making changes like this without discussing them with anyone, and GNOME has been string-frozen for ages too
[14:19] <nigelb> chrisccoulson: we'll be undoing?
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> i understand why hughsie is a bit annoyed with us
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> i think one of the changes was already undone
[14:19] <nigelb> oh, great :)
[14:19] <chrisccoulson> i think people proposing these changes at a distro-level often don't appreciate the effort involved
[14:20] <chrisccoulson> especially at this stage of the cycle. every time we change a string, it has to be translated again in every language
[14:20] <nigelb> I know, I was surprised that the change got uploaded (urm, you did I think)
[14:23] <Damascene> any one using vlc on lucid?   http://www.khayma.com/tajweed/taha/lameyatebnalqayem.mp3 causing white noise
[14:30] <cjwatson> chrisccoulson: I've been banging that drum at the installer level for years
[14:30] <cjwatson> so now I'm just really hard-arsed
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> cjwatson - yeah, it wouldn't have been so bad if the people proposing the changes did so a little bit earlier in the cycle
[14:31] <chrisccoulson> but they all landed on the day of UI freeze
[14:31] <cjwatson> freezes are like speed limits - they're a limit, not a target
[14:32] <chrisccoulson> and our UI freeze is already way past the GNOME string freeze
[14:32] <nigelb> cjwatson: the gpm upstream pretty much blasted me :(
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> nigelb, don't take it personally
[14:33] <chrisccoulson> i think he's upset with us in general
[14:33] <nigelb> chrisccoulson: I was in shock for like first few minutes ;)
[14:33] <nigelb> then I realized, I represented Ubuntu there, so he's just taking it out at Ubuntu
[14:46] <vish> pedro_: for > ?? () from /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0  which dbygsym should i install , i installed all these http://paste.ubuntu.com/399326/ , these were the ones i found having ?? in the last bt
[14:47] <vish> btw , this is the bt now> http://paste.ubuntu.com/399325/ , it only has ?? for  /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[14:48] <pedro_> vish, you installed the -cli (C# binding) instead of the one for that symbol
[14:48] <nigelb> vish: I think I figured out the solution to our troubles in the hook.  Should get some time to fix those today :)
[14:48] <pedro_> vish, the easier way to know which package to install is doing a : dpkg -S /lib/libglib-2.0.so.0
[14:48] <pedro_> vish, then install the -dbgsym package for the package the command returns to you
[14:48] <vish> pedro_: yeah , that[-cli] was the closest glib had , it didn have any other dbgsym
[14:49]  * vish looks again
[14:49] <vish> rather is was -cil-
[14:51] <pedro_> vish, if the -dbgsym is not available for you just install the -dbg one: libglib2.0-0-dbg
[14:52] <vish> right , thanks
[14:52] <pedro_> np
[14:57] <vish> heh , evo is being quite the prankster :/   now that i have the -dbg installed it doesnt want to crash :s
[15:28] <nigelb> vish: got some time for testing ;)
[15:30] <nigelb> vish: I think I have ironed out all the troubles.  ping me if you got the time
[15:47] <vish> nigelb: heading out now, will be back in a bit.. i'll ping you asap
[15:47] <nigelb> vish: k
[16:20] <nigelb> pedro_: how do we get the list of bugs for the hugday into the wiki? is there a tool?
[16:27] <yofel> nigelb: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/Organizing#Generate%20the%20bug%20list ?
[16:27] <nigelb> yofel: thank you :)
[17:01] <nigelb> bdmurray: is there a place I could see the source for the script that does the patch tagging and subscribing?
[17:02] <bdmurray> nigelb: No, not yet
[17:03] <nigelb> bdmurray: seems to subscribe reviewers when release team is subscribed for FFE
[17:03] <bdmurray> nigelb: what's the exact team name?
[17:04] <nigelb> bdmurray: ubuntu-release
[17:04] <bdmurray> nigelb: that's in there what is the bug number?
[17:04] <nigelb> bug 221332
[17:04] <ubot4`> nigelb: Bug 221332 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/221332 is private
[17:04]  * nigelb kicks ubot4` 
[17:07] <bdmurray> nigelb: I'll have to do some digging to find out when ubuntu-release was subscribed vs when my script hit it.
[17:07] <nigelb> bdmurray: ah.  a small gap and the script hit it :)
[17:08] <bdmurray> nigelb: I'm not positive but if that is the case I think I'll increase the amount of time between script runs
[17:08] <bdmurray> since this has happened more than 1x
[17:08] <nigelb> we've been fighting against an active script :)
[17:09] <nigelb> never stays below 200 :D
[17:12] <alex_mayorga> hi! Just wondering if there's anything I can contribute to bug 543114
[17:12] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 543114 in gnome-screensaver (Ubuntu) "gnome-screensaver-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV in _fini() (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543114
[17:13] <alex_mayorga> or bug 94494
[17:13] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 94494 in debian (and 2 other projects) "[needs-packaging] Songbird (affects: 34) (dups: 3)" [Unknown,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/94494
[17:13] <nigelb> bdmurray: I need a merge of lp-gm-scripts some time this week to add a reviewers team icon, working on getting it done
[17:14] <bdmurray> nigelb: cool, that should be no problem
[17:14] <nigelb> bdmurray: thank you :)
[17:14] <nigelb> alex_mayorga: looking
[17:15] <alex_mayorga> nigelb: thanks!
[17:20] <nigelb> alex_mayorga: I made that bug private earlier, why did you make it public?
[17:21] <alex_mayorga> nigelb: why should it be private?
[17:21] <alex_mayorga> nigelb: out of ignorance I guess :(
[17:21] <nigelb> alex_mayorga: it has a coredump.gz, which can contain confidential information
[17:22] <alex_mayorga> nigelb: oh! sorry then
[17:22] <nigelb> alex_mayorga: apport retracer will remove it automatically and provide stack trace
[17:22] <nigelb> and then make it public
[17:22] <micahg> nigelb: no, the retracer will not necessarily make it public
[17:23] <nigelb> micahg: oh.  Didn't know.
[17:26] <hggdh> because the expanded backtrace *may* contain private data. A triager still has to go through it, and make the decision
[17:27] <nigelb> ah.
[17:29] <hggdh> what happens is the retracer does a 'bt full' -- the 'full' means dump variable contents
[17:31] <nigelb> which might contain private information
[17:38] <persia`> skihero: Hey.  Welcome to the bug coordination channel.
[17:38] <persia`> Lots of good links in the /topic here, and if you've any questions, just ask, and someone will likely be happy to answer.
[17:38] <skihero> persia`: thnx, really need to learn somethig
[17:39]  * bjwebb wonders if there is any more he can do about https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xkeyboard-config/+bug/542237
[17:39] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 542237 in xkeyboard-config (Ubuntu) (and 1 other project) "UK Colemak Layout has bottom row offset (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New]
[17:40] <alex_mayorga> so there's nothing else needed from this end on those?
[17:42] <hggdh> alex_mayorga, those which?
[17:42] <hggdh> ;-)
[17:43] <hggdh> or, better stating, which 'those'?
[17:43] <persia`> bjwebb: Looks in a good state to me.  Marking Triaged/Low
[17:43] <bjwebb> persia`: okay
[17:43] <bjwebb> persia`: i'd just really like to see it fixed in release, but i guess its unlikely
[17:44] <bjwebb> its annoying, it'll be a major pain for anyone that uses colemak in a uk, and it was literally patched in by someone who thought the right way was wrong :/
[17:45] <persia`> bjwebb: Just needs a developer to push the change.
[17:45] <alex_mayorga> 543114 and 194494
[17:45] <bjwebb> persia`: okay
[17:45] <hggdh> bug 543114
[17:46]  * hggdh kicks ubot4` 
[17:47]  * BUGabundo_remote helps pushing it of the clif
[17:47] <hggdh> alex_mayorga, for ug 543114 we need to wait for apport to do its magiv
[17:47] <hggdh> magic
[17:47] <alex_mayorga> BUGabundo_remote: LOL
[17:49] <hggdh> alex_mayorga, bug 194494 will start getting some attention now (pedro just set it assigned)
[17:49] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 194494 in telepathy-butterfly (Ubuntu Lucid) (and 5 other projects) "telepathy-butterfly crashed with NotImplementedError in _on_error() (affects: 257) (dups: 32)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/194494
[17:49] <hggdh> BUGabundo_remote, thank you, it helped
[17:49] <alex_mayorga> thanks, just saw that on my mailbox
[17:50] <BUGabundo_remote> hggdh: it's a question of how hard you push them
[17:51] <hggdh> BUGabundo_remote, I see. I need to get more, er, assertive ;-)
[17:53] <BUGabundo_remote> or violent
[17:54] <BUGabundo_remote> this bots only know one way
[17:54] <BUGabundo_remote> until someone passes laws forbiding it
[17:54] <BUGabundo_remote> enjoy kinking bots arse, instead humans
[21:09] <cactaur> Hey I have a question. So I've found duplicate bug reports. One has been recently filed by apport and has a status as "New", and the other was done by hand, but has already been triaged. Which one should I mark as the duplicate, since the former looks more complete, but apparently the latter was complete enough.
[21:12] <cactaur> I'm talking about bug #345387 vs. #522102
[21:12] <hggdh> bug 345387 552102
[21:12] <ubot4`> hggdh: Bug 345387 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/345387 is private
[21:13] <cactaur> bug 522102
[21:13] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 522102 in compiz (Ubuntu) "Unable to set 4 horizontal desktops (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522102
[21:14] <cactaur> Not to mention the latter is in the wrong category.
[21:14] <hggdh> cactaur, go ahead and set 522102 as a dup of 345287
[21:15] <cactaur> All right, thanks!
[21:17] <hggdh> cactaur, and thank you for helping ;-)
[21:24] <Linux000> Does anyone know how to downgrade a package in terminal?
[21:28] <jibel> who manage the package status page http://status.qa.ubuntu.com/qapkgstatus/ ?
[21:28] <hggdh> Linux000, if you have the .deb, just sudo dpkg -i <deb>
[21:29] <Linux000> hggdh: Thanks, I will try to find the deb's
[21:29] <hggdh> jibel, what is the issue there?
[21:30] <hggdh> (and, probably, #ubuntu-quality or #ubuntu-testing is a better place to ask)
[21:31] <jibel> It would be nice to add grub2 in lowlovel
[21:31] <micahg> jibel: ubuntu-qa-website
[21:31] <hggdh> Linux000, also, with apt-get -- apt-get --reinstall install xpto =1.2.3.4-0ubuntu27
[21:31] <jibel> micahg, thanks
[21:31] <micahg> jibel: project on LP :)
[21:32] <jibel> Yes, I'll file a bug,
[21:32] <hggdh> of course, there is the micahg bot to answer ;-)
[21:32] <Linux000> Hmm, will try that :)
[21:32]  * micahg goes hunting for factoids
[21:32] <hggdh> Linux000, when in doubt... man apt-get ;-)
[21:33] <Linux000> I tried, that couldn't find anything
[21:34] <hggdh> Linux000, heh. In the SYNOPSIS...
[21:34] <Linux000> Ahh
[21:38] <hggdh> Linux000, no prob. This is an UNIX man page, after all, not expected to be easy to use ;-)
[21:38] <vish> hmm , i'm having a weird problem ,the system slows down and everything is slow to react[random]. the mouse pointer has no lag though... earlier i used to SAK/logout of session and return to session and everything would be fine.. ..  now , i seem to have a workaround of sorts.. when i switch to a guest session and return , everything is normal and works fine... anyone heard of such a bug?
[21:39] <vish> no errors in logs or .xsession-errors either :s
[22:01] <baptistemm_> hello
[22:01] <baptistemm_> can someone raise importance of bug 544434 (I guess uninstallable software is quite important)
[22:01] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 544434 in ufraw (Ubuntu) "ufraw not installable due to dependency libexiv2-5 not installable (affects: 1)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/544434
[22:38] <zerwas> I hope this channel is okay to ask my question: I don't know where to file a request for having a suitable theme in Chromium package by default
[22:40] <jcastro> zerwas: I've filed one, it's not so simple
[22:40] <micahg> bug 543619
[22:40] <ubot4`> Launchpad bug 543619 in chromium-browser (Ubuntu) "Ship ambiance/radiance themes by default (affects: 2)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543619
[22:40] <jcastro> chromium doesn't have a system place to put themes
[22:41] <zerwas> I see. That fact might make it quite difficult
[23:06]  * hggdh should know better than to try fglrx again :-(
[23:08] <nigelb> hggdh: hey, wrote my next apport hook :)
[23:10] <hggdh> nigelb, cool! There are now only about 9,637 packages to get a hook ;-)
[23:10] <hggdh> (give or take a few thousands)
[23:11] <nigelb> hggdh: one at a time
[23:11] <hggdh> heh