[13:34] <MTecknology> I'm getting really really sick of IE
[13:34] <cjohnston> lol
[13:35] <MTecknology> is it really that hard to look at a standard and say hey, we should do that if the rest of the world is assuming that we'll do it
[13:37] <MTecknology> i mean.. "hey, the rest of the world says that the width of a drop down refers to the complete width that the object will take up. that doesn't make sense... let's make it the width that the text portion will use up, add the drop down arrow to the end, and then let the web devs figure out the rest"
[13:38] <MTecknology> or.. "hey, every other browser on the planet supports these features but i dunno if i feel like it. lemme stick both me fingers in me nose and say i dun feel like it"
[13:38] <MTecknology> cjohnston: so... how've you been?
[13:51] <cjohnston> not bad.. yourself?
[13:52] <MTecknology> I was good until i woke up and got to start trying to hack crap together for IE
[13:52] <MTecknology> and i get to deal with cvs now
[13:53] <cjohnston> lol
[13:53] <MTecknology> cjohnston: pitty me yet?
[13:55] <cjohnston> definatly dont envy you :-P
[13:56] <cjohnston> I'm taking care of a sick 4 year old.. want to trade?
[13:57] <MTecknology> if you can get this done - gladly
[13:57] <cjohnston> lol
[13:58] <MTecknology> I have a fiancee that would love to help me too - cuz i don't know crap about taking care of kids, only about how to make them happy
[13:58] <cjohnston> hehe
[13:58] <MTecknology> cjohnston: what do you think about this? http://staging.profarius.com/
[13:59] <cjohnston> newz2000: fwiw when you get some time, I'd like a minute :-)
[13:59] <newz2000> hey cjohnston, I'm here, whats' up?
[13:59] <MTecknology> the rounded corners and faded edges are all css that ie doesn't support so everything is very blocky in comparison
[14:00] <cjohnston> wanted to figure a time to schedule a meeting with those who are interested in the project
[14:00] <newz2000> this week I have a lot of availability, exception being first thing Thursday morning Central time
[14:01] <newz2000> next week I'll be very hard to reach
[14:01] <cjohnston> hmm
[14:01] <cjohnston> im wondering if thats enough notice for people
[14:01] <newz2000> you may not need me at the meeting if you want to do it next week
[14:01] <newz2000> I really think you can handle it
[14:01] <cjohnston> lol
[14:02] <cjohnston> only worry for me would be technical questions
[14:02] <cjohnston> MTecknology: I like it alot
[14:02] <newz2000> I will pin down the sysadmins this week to try and get their approval for the idea I suggested
[14:02] <cjohnston> ok
[14:02] <newz2000> if so, then the technical people here should be able to handle it
[14:02] <cjohnston> should we wait to have the meeting until after the approval probably?
[14:02] <MTecknology> cjohnston: cool :) - I don't know what to do about the IE crap :(
[14:02] <cjohnston> who cares
[14:03] <newz2000> MTecknology: graceful degredation
[14:03] <cjohnston> is that too mean
[14:03] <MTecknology> newz2000: it's not too bad in IE, just very blocky features
[14:04] <MTecknology> http://ipinfo.info/netrenderer/index.php
[14:04] <newz2000> seems a small compromise
[14:05] <MTecknology> I suppose considering it's a community site ~80% of viewers will have something standards compliant??
[14:06] <newz2000> the main ubuntu.com site is the exception with 35% IE users. Most of the rest of our sites are less than 20%
[14:06] <newz2000> (many are more like 5% IE users)
[14:06] <MTecknology> oh, perfect then :)
[14:24] <MTecknology> newz2000: do you think that theme we came up with is different from what you guys are coming up with enough or not enough?
[14:24] <MTecknology> I know I need to update the image but aside from that I think we're pretty close.
[14:25]  * newz2000 looks again
[14:26] <MTecknology> we haz pretty drop down menus too :D
[14:28] <newz2000> I think I'm going to defer on answering this one. Would you mind bringing it up on the mailing list? I can then forward it on to a few people who can give the best answer.
[14:28] <MTecknology> ok
[14:34] <cjohnston> thanks newz2000.. more email
[14:34] <cjohnston> :-P
[14:34] <newz2000> yeah, well, we're at about 5 per month currently so this will probably be a crushing burden. :-)
[14:34] <cjohnston> i was meaning for me
[14:35] <MTecknology> cjohnston: try signing up for the debian mentors list :P
[14:35] <cjohnston> no thanks
[14:45] <MTecknology> cjohnston: you could help me write some cod
[14:46] <MTecknology> e in C
[14:46] <cjohnston> #include <stdio.h>
[14:46] <cjohnston> I think
[14:46] <cjohnston> :-)
[14:48] <MTecknology> yup, now you know as much as me, help me mash together two .c files into one
[14:48] <cjohnston> lol
[14:48]  * cjohnston is taking a test ;-)
[16:10] <cjohnston> newz2000: who is in charge of the ubuntu start page for FF?
[16:11] <newz2000> cjohnston: it's the online services team, aka ubuntu one
[16:11] <newz2000> Do you need a name?
[16:11] <cjohnston> it still has a design error that needs to be fixed
[16:12] <newz2000> cjohnston: let me see where to report bugs, I think on launchpad
[16:12] <cjohnston> its already been reported
[16:12] <cjohnston> months ago
[16:12] <cjohnston> im trying to find it
[16:13] <newz2000> ok, I can assign it to the right person I think
[16:13] <cjohnston> we need to sit down one day and go through website bugs together
[16:13] <cjohnston> ;-)
[16:15] <cjohnston> I could even provide a fix.. I just cant get it where it needs to go
[16:15] <cjohnston> lol
[16:18] <cjohnston> newz2000: bug 523837
[16:18] <ubot3> Malone bug 523837 in ubuntu-start-page "on 10.04 Google startpage, the border box is broken in ffox (works in chromium)" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/523837
[16:19] <newz2000> ok, thanks cjohnston
[16:19] <cjohnston> hmm... bug 442876 interesting newz2000
[16:19] <ubot3> Malone bug 442876 in ubuntu-translations "provide localized versions of help.ubuntu.com" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/442876
[16:20] <newz2000> I think the doc team has a policy on this
[16:20] <newz2000> I can't remember what it is though
[16:20] <cjohnston> on the localized pages?
[16:20] <newz2000> no, on localizing help.ubuntu.com
[16:20] <newz2000> it used to be localized
[16:21] <cjohnston> ic