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akgranerThe new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #185 is now available:01:57
akgranerhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue18501:57
czajkowskifolks all set up for global jam at the weekend ?10:09
akgranerczajkowski, hmm that's a trick questions :-P  nope not yet for me :-)11:24
czajkowskiakgraner: loads of time11:25
czajkowskijust finished up sorting out ireland11:25
czajkowskihad a day of planning yesterday followed by a night of sleep11:25
akgranerczajkowski, yeah nice post!11:25
czajkowskitonight is gonna be email over load11:25
czajkowskithanks11:25
czajkowskithink you have to find what ever works for your LoCo even if it involves a bit of tweaking11:26
czajkowskiwhat works for others may not work for yours due to the types of people involved11:26
akgraneryep - I think NC has 3 events across the state planned11:27
akgranerI am just not ready :-)11:28
czajkowski311:28
czajkowskithat's a lot11:28
czajkowskihttp://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/women-in-science-pioneers-blaze-path-for-others-1924794.html15:25
czajkowskiI liked #10 10. Nancy Rothwell MRC research professor, University of Manchester15:26
czajkowski"I'm often asked how I manage in a male dominated profession. I just don't recognise this description. I have experienced nothing but support from all my male colleagues.15:26
MarkDudeczajkowski, that is a really cool way to approach things. Its very similar to "BE the change you want to see in the World" or "I choose to ignore *your* reality & substitute a version of my own"15:50
czajkowskiMarkDude: are you referring to the article or Nancy Rothwel comment ? as thelast part of your comment fits neither15:51
MarkDudeRefering to the fact that the responses to being a woman in Science have as many *paths* as there are people.15:53
MarkDudeIts not like there is just one path for anything or any type of people. I like how people solve *problems* in different ways, sometimes by not paying too much attention - thats all :)15:54
MarkDudeMaybe I just read too much into it, IMO it reminds me of a friend that believes in just being a peer helps people *act* like peers15:55
MarkDudeAnyway, even if Im still in the *ass* category with some, great article15:56
pleia2we have team meetings here, right?16:45
AlanBellMootbot-UK is here16:45
* pleia2 nods16:45
pleia2ok good16:45
jussi01AlanBell: Mootbot-UK is different from Mootbot, right?16:46
jussi01AlanBell: if so, pease update: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots16:47
MarkDudeAlanBell, how do I gets me a copy of Mootbot-UK ?16:53
jussi01MarkDude: I think its in bzr on LP iirc16:54
MarkDudeCool, ty jussi0116:55
jussi01https://code.edge.launchpad.net/mootbot16:55
jussi01Im guessing the alanbell branch :D16:55
AlanBellyes, it is the alanbell branch17:02
AlanBellit is hosted on the -uk server and dumps logs here http://mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org/17:03
MarkDudeCXool, found it17:04
AlanBellit is a bit experimental, the idea being to fold it into mootbot if it is considered useful17:04
AlanBellMarkDude: if you want it to sit in your channel Daviey is the bot herder17:04
MarkDudeTy AlanBell logbot is on our *by summertime list* we are weighing out the + & -17:06
AlanBellcool, which loco?17:06
MarkDudePossibly Oregon. I know 2 people willing to be the lead there. Its been abandoned for a while17:16
AlanBellwhat is the IRC channel?17:17
MarkDude& I used to live. I still work up there sometimes- so I have been trying to help bring them some options.17:17
MarkDude#ubuntu-us-or17:17
MarkDudeThe actual lead is MIA,17:18
czajkowskiMarkDude: when you say lead, do you mean point of contact ?17:23
MarkDudeYes17:25
czajkowskihmm that's not ideal17:25
czajkowskihttp://www.ubuntu.com/community/leadership-conduct if they're not around they should step down17:25
MarkDudeczajkowski, I dont know the "current" lead17:26
* AlanBell looks forward to issyl0's blog post17:36
AlanBellam I getting too impatient?17:36
JanCugh, *another* loco with a "dead" contact ?17:45
jussi01JanC: theres far too many of them imho...17:45
JanCseriously, why don't locoteams just replace such a person...17:45
jussi01they dont know they can?17:46
MarkDudeWe did not want to be rude & figured we would give a chance to step up17:47
JanCas the loco contact is appointed by the locoteam, why wouldn't they be able to replace him/her...17:47
JanCunfortunately it seems like some "leaders" think they "own" their locoteam17:48
JanCMarkDude: giving people a chance is okay of course17:48
MarkDudeJanC, there is actually alot of gray area with resolution processes, & I will leave it at that :)17:49
JanCin some cases we're talking about people who haven't been around for 6 months and are known not to be for the next 2-3 years17:50
issyl0AlanBell: yes :P17:50
MarkDudeCA had the same issue - a Google employee abandoned it, took a while to sort out17:53
pleia2there are loads of loco teams with "missing" leaders, in the US I frequently find they're pretty disjointed from ubuntu as a whole so they wouldn't know about the lcoc or anything17:57
macoour loco contact is around but insists he is not the leader.  crimsun does most of the event planning17:57
pleia2which is part of the reason we have ubuntu-us to help them all out17:57
maco(he says "cat herder" is more accurate than "leader")17:57
pleia2the contact for us-pa is not the leader (there isn't really a leader)17:57
czajkowskithere is no grey area, it's really rather simple, there is a document it's very clear18:10
czajkowskiif you're not around , please step down18:10
czajkowskipleia2: tisn't just USA, but there are a lotta usa teams doing things their way..18:11
czajkowskimaybe tis an english /usa translation on what the word point of contact means, as usa seems to translate it to leader with power over the team *boggles*18:12
macoi thought at some point the term *was* leader18:13
pleia2czajkowski: yeah, people are very confused about contact vs leader (it's not confusing to me, I think it's cultural rather than language)18:13
pleia2and frequently they *are* the same person18:13
czajkowskipleia2: perhaps, but it's begining to become a problem18:13
* czajkowski adds another item to her list18:13
pleia2beginning to? :)18:14
czajkowskimaco: some teams have leaders, others have managers, it's all a bit hit and miss18:14
pleia2it's been a problem for years18:14
czajkowskipleia2: it's now in my inbox :) so I'm noticing it a lot more18:14
* pleia2 nods18:14
czajkowskipleia2: but there is a case of it being a lot of usa based18:14
* MarkDude guesses it might have to do with some Americans view of how to execise power.18:18
MarkDudeIMO18:19
macoMarkDude: top down?18:19
MarkDudeThat & the idea that if you have power, it MUST be used18:23
MarkDudeIma big fan of checks & balances- some find that a hassle18:24

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