[01:57] The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #185 is now available: [01:57] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue185 [10:09] folks all set up for global jam at the weekend ? [11:24] czajkowski, hmm that's a trick questions :-P nope not yet for me :-) [11:25] akgraner: loads of time [11:25] just finished up sorting out ireland [11:25] had a day of planning yesterday followed by a night of sleep [11:25] czajkowski, yeah nice post! [11:25] tonight is gonna be email over load [11:25] thanks [11:26] think you have to find what ever works for your LoCo even if it involves a bit of tweaking [11:26] what works for others may not work for yours due to the types of people involved [11:27] yep - I think NC has 3 events across the state planned [11:28] I am just not ready :-) [11:28] 3 [11:28] that's a lot [15:25] http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/women-in-science-pioneers-blaze-path-for-others-1924794.html [15:26] I liked #10 10. Nancy Rothwell MRC research professor, University of Manchester [15:26] "I'm often asked how I manage in a male dominated profession. I just don't recognise this description. I have experienced nothing but support from all my male colleagues. [15:50] czajkowski, that is a really cool way to approach things. Its very similar to "BE the change you want to see in the World" or "I choose to ignore *your* reality & substitute a version of my own" [15:51] MarkDude: are you referring to the article or Nancy Rothwel comment ? as thelast part of your comment fits neither [15:53] Refering to the fact that the responses to being a woman in Science have as many *paths* as there are people. [15:54] Its not like there is just one path for anything or any type of people. I like how people solve *problems* in different ways, sometimes by not paying too much attention - thats all :) [15:55] Maybe I just read too much into it, IMO it reminds me of a friend that believes in just being a peer helps people *act* like peers [15:56] Anyway, even if Im still in the *ass* category with some, great article [16:45] we have team meetings here, right? [16:45] Mootbot-UK is here [16:45] * pleia2 nods [16:45] ok good [16:46] AlanBell: Mootbot-UK is different from Mootbot, right? [16:47] AlanBell: if so, pease update: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots [16:53] AlanBell, how do I gets me a copy of Mootbot-UK ? [16:54] MarkDude: I think its in bzr on LP iirc [16:55] Cool, ty jussi01 [16:55] https://code.edge.launchpad.net/mootbot [16:55] Im guessing the alanbell branch :D [17:02] yes, it is the alanbell branch [17:03] it is hosted on the -uk server and dumps logs here http://mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org/ [17:04] CXool, found it [17:04] it is a bit experimental, the idea being to fold it into mootbot if it is considered useful [17:04] MarkDude: if you want it to sit in your channel Daviey is the bot herder [17:06] Ty AlanBell logbot is on our *by summertime list* we are weighing out the + & - [17:06] cool, which loco? [17:16] Possibly Oregon. I know 2 people willing to be the lead there. Its been abandoned for a while [17:17] what is the IRC channel? [17:17] & I used to live. I still work up there sometimes- so I have been trying to help bring them some options. [17:17] #ubuntu-us-or [17:18] The actual lead is MIA, [17:23] MarkDude: when you say lead, do you mean point of contact ? [17:25] Yes [17:25] hmm that's not ideal [17:25] http://www.ubuntu.com/community/leadership-conduct if they're not around they should step down [17:26] czajkowski, I dont know the "current" lead [17:36] * AlanBell looks forward to issyl0's blog post [17:36] am I getting too impatient? [17:45] ugh, *another* loco with a "dead" contact ? [17:45] JanC: theres far too many of them imho... [17:45] seriously, why don't locoteams just replace such a person... [17:46] they dont know they can? [17:47] We did not want to be rude & figured we would give a chance to step up [17:47] as the loco contact is appointed by the locoteam, why wouldn't they be able to replace him/her... [17:48] unfortunately it seems like some "leaders" think they "own" their locoteam [17:48] MarkDude: giving people a chance is okay of course [17:49] JanC, there is actually alot of gray area with resolution processes, & I will leave it at that :) [17:50] in some cases we're talking about people who haven't been around for 6 months and are known not to be for the next 2-3 years [17:50] AlanBell: yes :P [17:53] CA had the same issue - a Google employee abandoned it, took a while to sort out [17:57] there are loads of loco teams with "missing" leaders, in the US I frequently find they're pretty disjointed from ubuntu as a whole so they wouldn't know about the lcoc or anything [17:57] our loco contact is around but insists he is not the leader. crimsun does most of the event planning [17:57] which is part of the reason we have ubuntu-us to help them all out [17:57] (he says "cat herder" is more accurate than "leader") [17:57] the contact for us-pa is not the leader (there isn't really a leader) [18:10] there is no grey area, it's really rather simple, there is a document it's very clear [18:10] if you're not around , please step down [18:11] pleia2: tisn't just USA, but there are a lotta usa teams doing things their way.. [18:12] maybe tis an english /usa translation on what the word point of contact means, as usa seems to translate it to leader with power over the team *boggles* [18:13] i thought at some point the term *was* leader [18:13] czajkowski: yeah, people are very confused about contact vs leader (it's not confusing to me, I think it's cultural rather than language) [18:13] and frequently they *are* the same person [18:13] pleia2: perhaps, but it's begining to become a problem [18:13] * czajkowski adds another item to her list [18:14] beginning to? :) [18:14] maco: some teams have leaders, others have managers, it's all a bit hit and miss [18:14] it's been a problem for years [18:14] pleia2: it's now in my inbox :) so I'm noticing it a lot more [18:14] * pleia2 nods [18:14] pleia2: but there is a case of it being a lot of usa based [18:18] * MarkDude guesses it might have to do with some Americans view of how to execise power. [18:19] IMO [18:19] MarkDude: top down? [18:23] That & the idea that if you have power, it MUST be used [18:24] Ima big fan of checks & balances- some find that a hassle