[01:57] <akgraner> The new issue of the Ubuntu Weekly Newsletter #185 is now available:
[01:57] <akgraner> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue185
[10:09] <czajkowski> folks all set up for global jam at the weekend ?
[11:24] <akgraner> czajkowski, hmm that's a trick questions :-P  nope not yet for me :-)
[11:25] <czajkowski> akgraner: loads of time
[11:25] <czajkowski> just finished up sorting out ireland
[11:25] <czajkowski> had a day of planning yesterday followed by a night of sleep
[11:25] <akgraner> czajkowski, yeah nice post!
[11:25] <czajkowski> tonight is gonna be email over load
[11:25] <czajkowski> thanks
[11:26] <czajkowski> think you have to find what ever works for your LoCo even if it involves a bit of tweaking
[11:26] <czajkowski> what works for others may not work for yours due to the types of people involved
[11:27] <akgraner> yep - I think NC has 3 events across the state planned
[11:28] <akgraner> I am just not ready :-)
[11:28] <czajkowski> 3
[11:28] <czajkowski> that's a lot
[15:25] <czajkowski> http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/women-in-science-pioneers-blaze-path-for-others-1924794.html
[15:26] <czajkowski> I liked #10 10. Nancy Rothwell MRC research professor, University of Manchester
[15:26] <czajkowski> "I'm often asked how I manage in a male dominated profession. I just don't recognise this description. I have experienced nothing but support from all my male colleagues.
[15:50] <MarkDude> czajkowski, that is a really cool way to approach things. Its very similar to "BE the change you want to see in the World" or "I choose to ignore *your* reality & substitute a version of my own"
[15:51] <czajkowski> MarkDude: are you referring to the article or Nancy Rothwel comment ? as thelast part of your comment fits neither
[15:53] <MarkDude> Refering to the fact that the responses to being a woman in Science have as many *paths* as there are people.
[15:54] <MarkDude> Its not like there is just one path for anything or any type of people. I like how people solve *problems* in different ways, sometimes by not paying too much attention - thats all :)
[15:55] <MarkDude> Maybe I just read too much into it, IMO it reminds me of a friend that believes in just being a peer helps people *act* like peers
[15:56] <MarkDude> Anyway, even if Im still in the *ass* category with some, great article
[16:45] <pleia2> we have team meetings here, right?
[16:45] <AlanBell> Mootbot-UK is here
[16:45]  * pleia2 nods
[16:45] <pleia2> ok good
[16:46] <jussi01> AlanBell: Mootbot-UK is different from Mootbot, right?
[16:47] <jussi01> AlanBell: if so, pease update: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Bots
[16:53] <MarkDude> AlanBell, how do I gets me a copy of Mootbot-UK ?
[16:54] <jussi01> MarkDude: I think its in bzr on LP iirc
[16:55] <MarkDude> Cool, ty jussi01
[16:55] <jussi01> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/mootbot
[16:55] <jussi01> Im guessing the alanbell branch :D
[17:02] <AlanBell> yes, it is the alanbell branch
[17:03] <AlanBell> it is hosted on the -uk server and dumps logs here http://mootbot.ubuntu-uk.org/
[17:04] <MarkDude> CXool, found it
[17:04] <AlanBell> it is a bit experimental, the idea being to fold it into mootbot if it is considered useful
[17:04] <AlanBell> MarkDude: if you want it to sit in your channel Daviey is the bot herder
[17:06] <MarkDude> Ty AlanBell logbot is on our *by summertime list* we are weighing out the + & -
[17:06] <AlanBell> cool, which loco?
[17:16] <MarkDude> Possibly Oregon. I know 2 people willing to be the lead there. Its been abandoned for a while
[17:17] <AlanBell> what is the IRC channel?
[17:17] <MarkDude> & I used to live. I still work up there sometimes- so I have been trying to help bring them some options.
[17:17] <MarkDude> #ubuntu-us-or
[17:18] <MarkDude> The actual lead is MIA,
[17:23] <czajkowski> MarkDude: when you say lead, do you mean point of contact ?
[17:25] <MarkDude> Yes
[17:25] <czajkowski> hmm that's not ideal
[17:25] <czajkowski> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/leadership-conduct if they're not around they should step down
[17:26] <MarkDude> czajkowski, I dont know the "current" lead
[17:36]  * AlanBell looks forward to issyl0's blog post
[17:36] <AlanBell> am I getting too impatient?
[17:45] <JanC> ugh, *another* loco with a "dead" contact ?
[17:45] <jussi01> JanC: theres far too many of them imho...
[17:45] <JanC> seriously, why don't locoteams just replace such a person...
[17:46] <jussi01> they dont know they can?
[17:47] <MarkDude> We did not want to be rude & figured we would give a chance to step up
[17:47] <JanC> as the loco contact is appointed by the locoteam, why wouldn't they be able to replace him/her...
[17:48] <JanC> unfortunately it seems like some "leaders" think they "own" their locoteam
[17:48] <JanC> MarkDude: giving people a chance is okay of course
[17:49] <MarkDude> JanC, there is actually alot of gray area with resolution processes, & I will leave it at that :)
[17:50] <JanC> in some cases we're talking about people who haven't been around for 6 months and are known not to be for the next 2-3 years
[17:50] <issyl0> AlanBell: yes :P
[17:53] <MarkDude> CA had the same issue - a Google employee abandoned it, took a while to sort out
[17:57] <pleia2> there are loads of loco teams with "missing" leaders, in the US I frequently find they're pretty disjointed from ubuntu as a whole so they wouldn't know about the lcoc or anything
[17:57] <maco> our loco contact is around but insists he is not the leader.  crimsun does most of the event planning
[17:57] <pleia2> which is part of the reason we have ubuntu-us to help them all out
[17:57] <maco> (he says "cat herder" is more accurate than "leader")
[17:57] <pleia2> the contact for us-pa is not the leader (there isn't really a leader)
[18:10] <czajkowski> there is no grey area, it's really rather simple, there is a document it's very clear
[18:10] <czajkowski> if you're not around , please step down
[18:11] <czajkowski> pleia2: tisn't just USA, but there are a lotta usa teams doing things their way..
[18:12] <czajkowski> maybe tis an english /usa translation on what the word point of contact means, as usa seems to translate it to leader with power over the team *boggles*
[18:13] <maco> i thought at some point the term *was* leader
[18:13] <pleia2> czajkowski: yeah, people are very confused about contact vs leader (it's not confusing to me, I think it's cultural rather than language)
[18:13] <pleia2> and frequently they *are* the same person
[18:13] <czajkowski> pleia2: perhaps, but it's begining to become a problem
[18:13]  * czajkowski adds another item to her list
[18:14] <pleia2> beginning to? :)
[18:14] <czajkowski> maco: some teams have leaders, others have managers, it's all a bit hit and miss
[18:14] <pleia2> it's been a problem for years
[18:14] <czajkowski> pleia2: it's now in my inbox :) so I'm noticing it a lot more
[18:14]  * pleia2 nods
[18:14] <czajkowski> pleia2: but there is a case of it being a lot of usa based
[18:18]  * MarkDude guesses it might have to do with some Americans view of how to execise power.
[18:19] <MarkDude> IMO
[18:19] <maco> MarkDude: top down?
[18:23] <MarkDude> That & the idea that if you have power, it MUST be used
[18:24] <MarkDude> Ima big fan of checks & balances- some find that a hassle