[12:14] <xuzhoujim> Anyone here to point me to a good starting place for solving some sound issues?
[13:42] <sbalneav> xuzhoujim: More information would be helpful.
[14:58] <sbalneav> highvoltage: ping
[15:00] <sbalneav> stgraber: ping, aussi
[15:02] <highvoltage> sbalneav: pong
[15:02] <sbalneav> hey
[15:02] <highvoltage> I was just about to ping you guys too, howdy
[15:02] <sbalneav> ok, I'm running into a common problem I run into all the time.
[15:03] <sbalneav> I'm trying to update a package.
[15:03] <sbalneav> But it depends on ANOTHER updated package.
[15:03] <sbalneav> I'm trying to update davical, but it depends on phpawl
[15:03] <sbalneav> which the same guy produces
[15:03] <sbalneav> so I've got an updated phpawl
[15:03] <sbalneav> .deb
[15:03] <highvoltage> how is it that you can't install the updated phpawl?
[15:04] <sbalneav> well I can
[15:04] <sbalneav> but it's not on the pbuilder
[15:04] <sbalneav> so, how does one build a package that depends on another updated package that's NOT in the archives yet
[15:05] <highvoltage> ah I see.
[15:05] <highvoltage> when you build 'n pbuilder environment you can use --othermirror to specify your own mirror or a ppa
[15:05] <highvoltage> you could use that to get around that
[15:06] <highvoltage> (brb)
[15:06] <sbalneav> ah, ok
[15:50] <highvoltage> so...
[15:50] <highvoltage> about the artwork
[15:50] <highvoltage> what background colour(s) should we go with for the startup screen (plymouth) background?
[15:51] <highvoltage> I'm thinking of having a light subtle background (like the main area on the wallpeper) with some green and orange hints (like the tree and the ground on the wallpaper)
[15:51] <highvoltage> I don't know whether there's any strong feelings about it.
[15:54] <sbalneav> Not really
[15:54] <sbalneav> Art wise, my taste's all in my mouth :)
[15:58] <highvoltage> heh
[16:01] <sbalneav> pbuilder build --othermirror "deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/sbalneav/ppa/ubuntu karmic main"
[16:01] <sbalneav> W: /root/.pbuilderrc does not exist
[16:01] <sbalneav> E: Command line parameter [] is not a valid .dsc file name
[16:01] <sbalneav> Something's not happy
[16:06] <highvoltage> sbalneav: I think you have to add that mirror when you do the pbuilder --create
[16:07] <highvoltage> sbalneav: and then you just pass the .dsc file when you do the 'build' command
[16:07] <sbalneav> ah
[16:49] <highvoltage> stgraber: I agree with the change you made to hace the icons in the System menu, I say we should keep it.
[16:50] <stgraber> highvoltage: ok
[16:50] <stgraber> I usually run with that on my desktop and it's in the default keys at RLNX for both internal and our customers
[16:50] <stgraber> I really liked that when I was running my desktop in Chinese ;)
[16:57] <highvoltage> *nod* the ucons are really important in cases where the text can't be read for whatever reason
[17:18] <mgariepy> good afternoon everyone
[17:38] <highvoltage> hi there mgariepy
[17:50] <mgariepy> how you doing highvoltage ?
[17:51] <highvoltage> doing good thanks and you?
[17:53] <mgariepy> not doing too bad.
[18:06] <joerg> hi
[18:10] <highvoltage> hi joerg
[18:11] <joerg> any idea how I can get money for some open source education project?
[18:13] <joerg> I know, the question is stupid
[18:13] <joerg> but I have got so many good ideas
[18:13] <joerg> just nobody to pay me for doing that stuff
[18:15] <highvoltage> joerg: where are you again?
[18:15] <joerg> in germany
[18:16] <joerg> most of my work is unpaid
[18:16] <Lns> joerg: care to elaborate on your "open source education project" ?
[18:16] <joerg> and I can only do it, because I live in a house with parents, sister and dont have to pay for rent, food etc.
[18:17] <joerg> Lns, myserv-project.org
[18:17] <joerg> the education stuff is really annoying
[18:17] <joerg> the government always says: yes, gooood idea, but we don't have money.
[18:17] <joerg> and then I mostly simply say: ok, gonna do the project anyway
[18:17] <joerg> and after all they "find" some money.
[18:18] <Lns> joerg: wow looks like a very elaborate project!
[18:18] <joerg> Lns, wanna sponsor it? :D
[18:18] <Lns> joerg: I would but I don't see my customers in real need of something like that (yet)
[18:18] <Lns> plus i'm really short of money too...heh, i need a bailout
[18:19] <Lns> anyone know where i can sign up to get one?
[18:23] <highvoltage> joerg: german government doesn't have money!?!?
[18:24] <joerg> they have
[18:24] <joerg> but for other things
[18:25] <joerg> the township that is responsible for the school buys hard and software
[18:25] <joerg> state government says: nooo, this is a software project - software is purchased by the towns
[18:25] <joerg> the state only pays the teachers.
[18:25] <highvoltage> joerg: judging by the munich stuff, it doesn't seem like a good time for free software in germany atm, seems like there's a lot of politics around it
[18:26] <highvoltage> joerg: aren't there private schools there running linux?
[18:26] <joerg> there are even public schools running linux
[18:26] <joerg> and what happened to munich? :P
[18:27] <highvoltage> joerg: http://slashdot.org/story/10/03/19/1633241/The-Woes-of-Munichs-Linux-Migration
[18:27] <joerg> the thing is not to convince them to use OSS, the thing is to get 200-300 hours of work paid :P on OSS
[18:28] <highvoltage> joerg: ah one of those cases
[18:30] <joerg> hmm
[18:31] <joerg> probably it is not that easy to live from projects like that....
[18:31] <joerg> probably I will spend all my life renting appartments here in town and work as an unpaid OSS developer....
[18:39] <highvoltage> joerg: what many people do is diversify a bit, do some grunt work that is profitable even if you have to contract out some support work, then you can use that to subsidise your other project until it's more commercially viable
[20:15] <vmlintu> joerg: do the schools buy services over there? Installing a piece of OS software sounds probably way too difficult for schools' people..
[20:40] <highvoltage> hey HedgeMage
[20:41] <HedgeMage> hi, highvoltage :)
[20:42] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: besides that we don't have a logo yet, are there any blockers for the website?
[20:42] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: give me a sec to finish a pm with a client, and I'll look.
[20:42] <highvoltage> HedgeMage: ok great
[20:57] <HedgeMage> back... logo/branding is a blocker, as is finding out from the powers that be what email account will be used for the web-site's back-end email list integration
[20:57] <HedgeMage> (It should be an account just for the gateway)
[21:25] <HedgeMage> highvoltage: ^^^