[08:06] <jussi01> Riddell: should you not close this now? https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-lucid-group-photo
[08:10] <ghostcube> o/
[08:52] <Skeletor> hi there. has there already been some work done implementing a custom kubuntu plymouth and grub/isolinux splash?
[10:02] <apachelogger> agateau: the tray menu thingy stuff causes rendering bugs on intel!
[10:02]  * apachelogger needs to leave though
[10:06] <agateau> apachelogger: weird
[10:07] <agateau> apachelogger: I have two different intel-based machines here
[10:07] <agateau> and I see no problem
[10:12] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[10:13] <agateau> Riddell: could you do some icon moving in the oxygen-icon-theme?
[10:13] <agateau> Riddell: as we discussed earlier
[10:17] <Riddell> 13:16 < Riddell> agateau: I uploaded oxygen with nepomuk icon also in hicolour
[10:17] <Riddell> agateau: what else needs moving?
[10:17] <agateau> Riddell: I have a few others which would be nice to move
[10:17] <agateau> Riddell: some are really necessary, some should be in hicolor anyway
[10:17] <agateau> pastebining the list
[10:18] <agateau> http://pastey.net/134475
[10:18]  * agateau likes this vim pastebin plugin :)
[10:19] <agateau> those are the icons for apps which are part of kde sc and whose package does not contain an hicolor icon already
[10:20] <Riddell> are they all part of oxygen-icons do you know?
[10:21] <agateau> Riddell: yes they are
[10:21] <agateau> Riddell: I created the list based on the svn repository
[10:22] <agateau> if it helps I can probably reduce the list a bit more
[10:23] <Riddell> that's fine, not hard to do at all
[10:23] <agateau> ok great
[10:29]  * Riddell wonders what the "oxygen" icon is for
[10:36] <agateau> self-promotion maybe? :)
[11:16] <bullgard> I understand "koffice 2.2 is still beta." When will it be ready to be included in Ubuntu repositories?
[11:27] <apachelogger> agateau: it also fails to load the menu at first try sometimes
[11:27] <apachelogger> didnt see it on my intel based netbook though
[11:30] <Riddell> bullgard: we had a guy packaging it, I haven't heard from him since release, not sure of the status
[11:31] <bullgard> Riddell: Thank you very much for your information.
[12:35] <debfx> is there a way to tell kfiledialog to not overwrite the filename extension?
[12:35] <Riddell> how do you mean overwrite the filename extension?
[12:36] <debfx> "Automatically select filename extension" is a global setting :(
[12:37] <debfx> when "Automatically select filename extension" is enabled it replaces the extension with the first one from the selected filter
[12:39] <debfx> for example when you try to save http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/k/kmozillahelper/kmozillahelper_0.6-0ubuntu1.dsc in firefox with the kde integration, the default filename is kmozillahelper_0.6-0ubuntu1.asc as .asc is one of the extensions for a plain text document
[12:40] <Riddell> hum, strange
[12:40] <Riddell> probably #kde-devel is more likely to know on IRC, or ask on kde-devel mailing list
[12:50] <seele> dantti: you are working on printing? how is it going?
[12:51] <dantti> seele: yup, It's going pretty well, yesterday I added more stuff on it..
[12:51] <dantti> I'm trying to finish the printer options ui
[12:51] <seele> ok cool
[12:52] <dantti> seele: you did some work on the py one?
[12:53]  * dantti thinks he remembers seeing seele in something about it...
[12:54] <Riddell> dantti: she did the UI design pdf I showed you
[12:54] <dantti> ah right..
[12:55] <dantti> seele: I guess then you could take a look at http://dantti.wordpress.com/2010/03/15/printprogress/  and maybe compile to see the lastest...
[14:02] <Tonio_> hi
[14:03] <Tonio_> anyone knows how can I change the alsa default device on the fly and from the command line ?
[14:05] <Riddell> probably birthday boy crimsun would know
[14:30] <txwikinger> lots of birthday boys today
[14:38] <Tonio_> crimsun: ? ;)
[15:43] <Riddell> glatzor!
[15:43] <Riddell> glatzor: I'm trying to package packagekit 0.5.8
[15:44] <Riddell> but I the mozilla plugin won't comile and I can't work out why
[16:24] <nixternal> anyone here receive the following email:
[16:24] <nixternal> You've been invited to the following Landscape account:
[16:24] <nixternal> Canonical - candidates (canonica).
[16:25] <maco> nixternal: someone i know on another server did
[16:25] <maco> nixternal: they said the link doesnt work
[16:25] <txwikinger> nixternal: I think I saw something like that before
[16:26] <txwikinger> but the link did not work in my case either
[16:26] <Riddell> nixternal: known problem, landscape and/or salesforce to blame, expect a groveling apology sometime soon
[16:27] <nixternal> lol
[16:27] <nixternal> ok
[16:27] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: nope
[16:27] <DarkwingDuck> But, I have good news... I have internet back again
[16:32] <nixternal> This invitation is no longer available.
[16:32] <nixternal> hehe
[16:59] <shadeslayer> crimsun: happy birthday :D
[17:00] <Riddell> debfx: kmoxillahelper uploaded, thanks
[17:00] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh btw whats the process for getting choqok beta into lucid?
[17:00] <shadeslayer> any wiki links?
[17:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: do you know how to do packaging?
[17:02] <Riddell> shadeslayer: it'll need a feature freeze exception and probably independent testing before it goes it
[17:02] <maco> someone on identi.ca last night said they may have to switch to kubuntu after seeing on there that i use choqok, looking up choqok, and going "wow thats so much awesomer than gwibber"
[17:03] <maco> (because they use gnome... i didnt bother telling them choqok could be used in ubuntu)
[17:03] <Riddell> awesomer should be a word, I really want it to be a word
[17:03] <maco> can we declare it a word?
[17:04] <Riddell> let's
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: yes i know how to package : lp.net/~rohangarg
[17:04] <apachelogger> in favor
[17:04] <apachelogger> o/
[17:04] <shadeslayer> Riddell: also will it need patching?
[17:04] <shadeslayer> i cant patch stuff.. but i can package it...
[17:05] <Riddell> patching? not unless you fix any bugs
[17:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so package the new version, put it in your PPA and ask for testing
[17:05] <Riddell> shadeslayer: file a bug asking for feature freeze exception listing the new features and why we want it in lucid
[17:06] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks :)
[17:06] <Riddell> let us know if you have any problems
[17:06] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh sure...
[17:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: ill be pulling the alpha package directly from the ubuntu servers,shouldnt be a tough job to build this
[17:09] <shadeslayer> Riddell: changelog includes this : http://pastebin.ca/1850525
[17:10] <shadeslayer> so loads of new features implemented...
[17:11] <shadeslayer> maco: lol :D
[17:11] <maco> shadeslayer: the eddie izzard comment?
[17:11] <shadeslayer> maco: yeah :D
[17:13] <maco> have you seen that routine?
[17:13] <Riddell> eddit izzard?
[17:13] <Riddell> s/eddit/eddie/
[17:14] <shadeslayer> maco: not the whole thing but one of my friends mentioned it a few days ago..
[17:14] <maco> Riddell: the comedian
[17:14] <maco> Riddell: shadeslayer said on identi.ca that ctrl+p was a bad "previous" shortcut in choqok
[17:15] <shadeslayer> and it should be replaced by Ctrl+Z :D
[17:15] <maco> Riddell: an it reminded me of eddie izzard's routine trying to get the printer to work and he starts saying "control p print!" over and over, faster and faster
[17:16] <shadeslayer> based on the lines of : F1 Help F1 Help :D
[17:16] <Riddell> not seen that one
[17:17] <shadeslayer> maco: btw no offense but i thought you were a guy... till i saw your pic on identi xD
[17:17] <shadeslayer> my ISP just went awesome!
[17:17] <maco> common assumption
[17:17] <maco> one time someone called me "ben" on irc thinking i was mako
[17:18] <shadeslayer> March 21, 2010: Bharti Airtel, one of Asia’s leading integrated telecom service providers, in an unprecedented move is upgrading speeds of all its existing customers (on 64, 128, 256 Kbps) to a minimum of 512 Kbps. Further, customers currently on 512 Kbps plans and 1mbps plans will have their speeds doubled to 1Mbps and 2Mbps respectively.
[17:19] <Riddell> shadeslayer: now you'll have no excuse not to do ISO testing!
[17:19] <shadeslayer> so yayy i get a speed boost from 128 Kbps to 512 Kbps
[17:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hahaha
[17:20] <shadeslayer> im still to recieve another 256 Kbps... but ill call them after a week or so if they dont increase it till then
[17:24]  * shadeslayer wonders why initramfs-update -u doesnt run
[17:24] <shadeslayer> According to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/526892 : comment 34
[17:27] <shadeslayer> hmm... running dpkg-reconfigure
[17:34] <shadeslayer> how do i get the resolution number to put in the grub boot line by lshw?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> it was something like 0x334 or something
[17:34] <Riddell> if it's not KDE we may well not know, you'd need to try #ubuntu
[17:35] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hmm ok
[17:57] <shadeslayer> ugh... nepomuk crashes on every login
[18:05] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/545067 , https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/545277 , and https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/517962 , are all of them the same?
[18:06] <JontheEchidna> two of those are privated
[18:07] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ugh.. i reported them,can i make them public?
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> yeah, in the top right corner of the page there should be a butgton
[18:07] <JontheEchidna> *button, even
[18:07] <shadeslayer> done
[18:07] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/545277
[18:08] <shadeslayer> setting the other one noq
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> for the first one, the stacktrace is really too damaged to tell
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> maybe the apport retracer can get something out of it
[18:08]  * Mamarok wonders what package is missing in Lucid to compile Amarok from git, it get an error for taglib-extras not found, but I sure have those isntalled. Did the location change?
[18:09] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: libssl-dev
[18:09] <Mamarok> I have
[18:09] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: can you pastebin the error?
[18:10] <Riddell> Mamarok: libtag-extras-dev ?
[18:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I have all the packages needed, and it still compains it doesn't find libtag-extras in the correct version, although 1.0.1 is installed
[18:10] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: one of the packages is not needed in kubuntu
[18:10] <shadeslayer> though the git version requires i
[18:10] <Mamarok> TagLib-Extras version too old: version searched :1.0, found 0.1
[18:10] <Mamarok> so it finds 1.0.1 and reads 0.1, something is borked in the version numbering maybe?
[18:11] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I know what git requires, I wrote the installation guide :)
[18:11] <JontheEchidna> or the cmake check is broken
[18:11] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: hehe.. :D
[18:11] <Mamarok> well, then all the other would not be able to build neither
[18:19] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: tried cleaning the cache :P
[18:19] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: so are the 2 same?
[18:19] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: yep
[18:20] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: second one's still private
[18:20] <Mamarok> I even removed the whole build folder :)
[18:21] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-runtime/+bug/517962 ??
[18:21] <Riddell> Mamarok: has anything changed in FindTaglib-Extras.cmake compared to 2.3.0?
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> bug 545067
[18:22] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: done
[18:22] <Mamarok> Riddell: I tried asking them, no response so far... they are too much into talking future projects, nobody has their feet on the ground there anymore anyway
[18:22] <Riddell> Mamarok: where's the git install guide?
[18:22] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: that one is different than 517962
[18:22] <Mamarok> Riddell: in my blog: http://blogs.fsfe.org/myriam/2009/09/compiling-amarok-from-git-locally-full-summary/
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> shadeslayer: actually, it's a crash on shutdown that doesn't get reported until the next startup :)
[18:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: meh...
[18:24] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: and i thought it was the other way round :P
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> hard to tell with shutdown bugs, without looking at the backtrace
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> bug 526085 <- it is a duplicate of that however, which is being tracked upstream
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> though if we get many more dupes, I'll probably bump the importance up to medium and reopen the bug for tracking
[18:25] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: ok ill mark it as such
[18:25] <shadeslayer> ah already did that
[18:26] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: this happens *every* time
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> at least, when apport gets turned off for the final release nobody will notice it ;D
[18:26] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: hehehee
[18:29] <verbalshadow> is there a reason why plasma-desktop doesn't start on login
[18:29] <Riddell> no
[18:29] <verbalshadow> :(
[18:30] <JontheEchidna> lol
[18:31] <verbalshadow> ok, well i guess bug time it is
[18:33] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: Riddell http://imagebin.ca/view/TIEE2d.html : lol
[18:33] <shadeslayer> looks like my laptops heartbears
[18:33] <shadeslayer> *heartbeats
[18:34] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: btw do you know of unconfigured updates?
[18:34] <JontheEchidna> I know that they exist and can be configured in software-properties, but not much else
[18:35] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: and these concern too....
[18:35] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: i just got some kernel updates...
[18:35] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.ca/1850594
[18:36] <Riddell> Mamarok: works for me in lucid "-- Taglib-Extras found: -L/usr/lib -ltag-extras"
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> man, I wish I had this connection at home... http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopwr2110-jpg.jpg
[18:37]  * Mamarok wonders what's wrong with her installation...
[18:37] <shadeslayer> JontheEchidna: \o/
[18:37] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: well... i can give you what i have installed and then you can do a diff on them to check what you have missing
[18:38] <shadeslayer> ( on just the amarok stuff... )
[18:38] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: http://paste.ubuntu.com/400103/
[18:38] <shadeslayer> brb
[18:39] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: I doubt this would help, I *have* the correct packages isntalled, it just doesn't see those
[18:40] <Mamarok> and it reports libtag-extras to be version 0.1, I wonder where this would come from, this is a clean install of Lucid, so there's no such thing as version 0.1
[18:41] <Riddell> Mamarok: what does "taglib-extras-config --version" say?
[18:41] <Riddell> I get 1.0
[18:42] <JontheEchidna> could I get a confirmation for the nominations in bug 321281? (A kde4libs upload wouldn't hurt either)
[18:43] <Mamarok> most bizarre, I get 0.1
[18:44] <Riddell> Mamarok: `which taglib-extras-config`  ?
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> hmm, maybe "which taglib-extras-config" next?
[18:44] <Mamarok> but I have no idea where this would come from, I didn't even take over the old $HOME files
[18:46] <Mamarok> Riddell: it's in my home... /me goes erasing those files again, I was sure I did erase all that before
[18:46] <Mamarok> sorry for bothering
[18:46] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: all this amaroking makes me notice your patch 07_dont_ask_music_dir.diff which is probably the cause of the "file not found" on startup bug?
[18:46] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: the malformed url bug?
[18:47] <Riddell> yeah
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: that was a different bug, fixed in 2.3.0. My patch only came about in 2.3.0
[18:48] <Riddell> ok, my mistake then
[18:48] <JontheEchidna> no prob
[18:48] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: does 07_dont_ask_music_dir.diff confirm to our patch policy though? :)
[18:48] <shadeslayer> yep... theres a missing dep on the new kernel,so whoever uses the binary driver,gets no kdm :D
[18:48] <shadeslayer> *nvidia binary driver
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> Riddell: it got a UI freeze exception and such
[18:51] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: but does upstream approve?
[18:51] <JontheEchidna> dunno. I don't think they'd care that much
[18:52] <Riddell> the Doctor says upstreams care about all patches! :)
[18:52] <lex79> can't ark open rar archive protected with password?
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yeah, I opened one last night
[18:53] <lex79> weird, not here :(
[18:54] <Riddell> jefferai, markey: ok if we add this patch to Amarok in kubuntu to use ~/Music by default? http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/07_dont_ask_music_dir.diff
[18:55] <jefferai> Riddell: it's up to you, as long as if people complain about it reading their ~/Music folder unbidden you tell them it's not a bug in Amarok  :-)
[18:56]  * Sput would hate if that happened to him
[18:56] <Riddell> why shouldn't it?
[18:56] <Riddell> it's a music programme, I'd expect it to read my music directory
[18:56] <Sput> because I tend to have my music someplace else :)
[18:56] <Trouble> I wish Amarok would remember the last directory I was in, rather than keep defaulting to ~/music ;-)
[18:56] <JontheEchidna> Sput: it's not like it would look elsewhere otherwise
[18:56] <Sput> but meh, I'm a poweruser anyway
[18:57] <Riddell> oh you can change it easily enough after, it'sjust s sensible default to have
[18:57] <Sput> JontheEchidna: but at least it prompts me
[18:57] <Sput> I like first-run wizards that allow me to do basic setup without much hassle
[18:57] <Sput> much easier then diving into the configuration later
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> not so nice for people who just want it to work
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> but I guess that's why you run Gentoo ;)
[18:58] <lex79> Riddell: bug 545329
[18:58] <JontheEchidna> customization
[18:58] <Sput> most packages actually run fine and with a sane default config out of the box on Gentoo :)
[18:58] <Sput> but yeah... I hate being limited
[18:59] <Riddell> jefferai: also we added http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/tmp/06_mimetypes.diff for  bug 191475
[18:59] <Sput> in any case, I think it's a service for users to allow her basic setup on first launch, rather than "assume" things and force her to figure out how to configure stuff
[19:00] <Sput> with sane defaults in said wizard (like ~/Music) she only has to press OK and is done
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> I don't think it's any stretch to think that the default is a good default
[19:00] <Riddell> this is a differerence between kubuntu and gentoo :)
[19:01] <Sput> no idea, in my experience many people already had music before they started to use Amarok, and it's more likely to not be placed in ~/Music (but on some external driver, file server, some other dir... think that capitalized folder names are rather uncommon on unixoids)
[19:01] <Sput> *drive even
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> But in this case ~/Music would most likely be gone already
[19:02] <markey> Riddell: afaik $HOME/Music is already used. we ask Qt for the default directory
[19:02] <Sput> JontheEchidna: ah, if the dir doesn't exist, it prompts the user?
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> Sput: according to the code, it doesn't prompt the user if it doesn't exist
[19:03] <JontheEchidna> it only asks if the directory exists and has read permissions
[19:03] <Riddell> markey: but it asks rather than just doing the right thing
[19:03] <jefferai> Riddell: hrm
[19:03] <jefferai> Sput: FWIW I agree with you on this point, but Ubuntu will do what they wish
[19:03] <Sput> hmm... could be interesting to figure out if users not having music in ~/Music discover the whole collection thingy in amarok without knowing the program beforehand
[19:03] <jefferai> Riddell: how does adding mimetypes fix that crash?
[19:04] <jefferai> are you sure that's the right bug?
[19:04] <Sput> I mean, if it "just works" and chooses an empty folder, and never prompts the user to configure his collection... do they figure it out by their own?
[19:04] <maco> Sput: if the ~/Music directory is mkdir'd on install, why would the user go and make *some other dir* to put their music in rather than using the default?
[19:04] <markey> Riddell: that's news to me. but anyway, watching a movie now, can look closer tomorrow
[19:05] <Riddell> jefferai: https://launchpad.net/bugs/191475
[19:05] <rgreening> does wine rely on ~Music and My Documents as defaults? In that case, they would exist for wine users (it does on all my machines)
[19:05] <jefferai> Riddell: oh
[19:05] <jefferai> launchpad
[19:05] <jefferai> right
[19:05] <Sput> maco: ah, you mkdir that on install? that at least covers cases where users start building their collection on kubuntu (but what about those who used something else before, or come from windows and have their stuff on some external drive or another partition?)
[19:05] <jefferai> Riddell: I'll add it to amarok right now
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: I think it uses them if they are there, but it's not a hard requirement
[19:06] <rgreening> hows JontheEchidna btw... :P
[19:06] <maco> Sput: hmm yeah... i guess if ~/Music is empty or missing, then it should prompt?
[19:06] <maco> by the way, can Amarok be given TWO directories to use as the collection?
[19:06] <JontheEchidna> rgreening: pretty good. long time no chat
[19:07] <Sput> maco: that would make sense to me - it's safe to assume that the user doesn't store her music in that folder then, after all :)
[19:07] <rgreening> ya. $WORK has me buried
[19:07] <maco> like ~/Music and that-file-server-over-there ?
[19:07] <Sput> maco: that is possible, yes
[19:07] <jefferai> Riddell: ok, that patch is now in Amarok trunk
[19:07] <Riddell> maco: yes
[19:07] <Sput> you basically get a directory tree with checkboxes
[19:07] <Riddell> jefferai: groovy, sorted
[19:07] <maco> is that the mimetype thingy i added in the amarok package?
[19:07] <JontheEchidna> This would be something that a Windows migration wizard for Kubuntu in general would be great
[19:07] <Sput> that reminds me, I need to bribe the amarok devs to treat NFS shares as removable collections again :P
[19:07] <Sput> that used to work in 1.4!1!!
[19:08] <maco> Sput: ah ok. its been a while since i set it up
[19:28] <jefferai> Sput: it's not that we don't want that
[19:28] <jefferai> :-)
[20:20] <crimsun> Tonio__: use the alsa-lib environment variables
[20:22] <crimsun> Tonio__: namely, $ALSA_PCM_CARD
[20:52] <debfx> JontheEchidna: what's up with bug #514110 ?
[20:53] <JontheEchidna> needs a sponsor
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> I can't upload to half of what Kubuntu maintains in main
[21:04] <debfx> I was just wondering as it's over a month old and ubuntu-sponsors isn't subscribed
[21:07] <maco> theres about 2000 bugs for which thats the case
[23:05] <Tonio__> crimsun: hum ok thanks:)
[23:08] <nixternal> happy birthday crimsun!!!
[23:09] <nixternal> if DarkwingDuck comes in here looking for me, I will be afk for a little bit. Gotta do some chores and get dinner made
[23:09] <nixternal> this way here, I don't just pick apachelogger or ScottK to be my secretary, you are all now my secretary. You too sabdfl, like I don't see you hiding over there in the channel list :)
[23:09] <maco> after today's updates is anyone else's tray in plasma growing uncontrollably?
[23:10] <nixternal> everything here looks good maco
[23:10] <maco> hmm i restarted plasma about 15 minutes ago because my tray was 800px wide (big gaps between icons) and when it started it was normal... but its huge again
[23:10] <nixternal> found a really nice KPart/KTextEditor, yes not KTextEdit, in PyKDE4. Thank goodness for KDE C++ API
[23:10] <maco> (by restarted, i mean pkill plasma-desktop && plasma desktop)
[23:11] <maco> er s/a d/a-d/
[23:11] <Riddell> maco: I've not heard of that problem
[23:13] <apachelogger> nixternal: cpp to the rescue
[23:14] <DarkwingDuck> How hard it is to install/load ina  module into the kernal?
[23:15] <Riddell> 23:09 < nixternal> if DarkwingDuck comes in here looking for me, I will be afk for a little bit. Gotta do some chores and get dinner made
[23:15] <DarkwingDuck> thanks Riddell
[23:15] <nixternal> And the "Secretary of the Year" award goes to..... Jonathan Riddell !!!! \o/
[23:15] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[23:16] <Riddell> please, it's "Administrative Professional"
[23:16] <DarkwingDuck> anywho... how hard is it to add a module into my kernal?
[23:16] <nixternal> maybe there in Scotland
[23:16] <Riddell> insmod <module-name>
[23:17] <nixternal> Administrative Professional == can you get me a cup of coffee please?
[23:17] <DarkwingDuck> That easy?
[23:17] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I made a goof on the docs... redo it. have it done within 4 hours
[23:17] <nixternal> Secretary == presitige....there are secretaries that make millions...my last secretary, he made like $150k a year
[23:17] <nixternal> he made more than I did
[23:17] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[23:17] <maco> Riddell, nixternal: like this: http://imagebin.ca/view/57hfQT1c.html
[23:17] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: rock on, gonna go make dinner
[23:18] <nixternal> nope, mine looks good
[23:18] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: that's why 4 hours is the key fo rme too... it's nice that we are *finally* in the same timezine
[23:18] <DarkwingDuck> *timezone
[23:18] <Riddell> maco: I wonder if it thinks there are phantom icons that should be in the gaps
[23:18] <nixternal> good point
[23:18] <nixternal> maco: yeah, I don't see that at all
[23:18] <Riddell> maco: worth asking agateau when he appears, he's he resident expert on systrays
[23:21]  * nixternal heads to make dinner, back in a bit
[23:21]  * DarkwingDuck heads to fix the desktop doc
[23:24]  * apachelogger heads to bed