| red | Does the Nokia N900 mounting work on lucid yet? | 00:00 |
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| nightsjammies | I was asking in here because this room might know of the differences in packages between the two distros. | 00:02 |
| ddecator | red: no idea. test it =) | 00:02 |
| red | well i dont have an access to a botnet to test wether it works or not :D | 00:03 |
| ZykoticK9 | nightsjammies, it has something to do with libipod* - i have no idea what mind you. | 00:05 |
| nightsjammies | ah, okay. thanks much then :) | 00:05 |
| red | ddecator: lol | 00:06 |
| red | sorry misread the channel name. | 00:06 |
| red | was talking about captcha alternatives | 00:07 |
| * red hides | 00:07 | |
| Ian_Corne | lol | 00:08 |
| Some_Person | ugh, stupid packages with borked dependencies | 00:25 |
| BUGabundo | ahah | 00:26 |
| Some_Person | I can't install tilp | 00:26 |
| Some_Person | Anyone know a quicky fix for this crap? | 00:29 |
| ddecator | rolling up your sleeves and resolving the dependencies... | 00:30 |
| MTughan | Is there a way I can configure the battery applet in the menu bar to show me percentage of battery used? All I can get is the remaining battery time. | 00:31 |
| Some_Person | ddecator: It's not my fault | 00:31 |
| ddecator | Some_Person: i know it's not, i'm just not sure there is an easy fix. i had 5 packages that wouldn't upgrade and it was a matter of me removing one package and installing another =\ | 00:32 |
| Some_Person | tilp depends on libticables2-2 and libticalcs2-7, but those 2 cannot be installed together as libticalcs2-7 depends on libticables2-1 instead | 00:32 |
| ddecator | hm, wonder if that's a temporary thing or if that's how it's been for awhile | 00:33 |
| quentusrex | How goes the beta? | 00:35 |
| quentusrex | is there a page for major issues discovered? | 00:35 |
| Some_Person | What should I do about this, and will I be forced to wait days to be able to transfer to/from my calculator? | 00:35 |
| mc44 | Some_Person: you should not use an unstable version if you need to do actual work, for one | 00:37 |
| Some_Person | Anyway, should I file a bug for this? | 00:39 |
| ddecator | whoa, docky alerts pulsate now o.o | 00:39 |
| greezmunkey | Is there a good source of info on the progress of 10.04? Especially the outlook for an on time release, stability, and such. | 00:44 |
| MTughan | Time release? April 2010. :P | 00:44 |
| greezmunkey | How about I call it a "progress report" !! | 00:45 |
| quentusrex | Anyone know if there is a simple way to upgrade to lucid from karmic on a server? | 00:50 |
| quentusrex | do-release-upgrade -d is hanging for me. | 00:51 |
| Lounge | i filed a bug rp #544628. problems with xorg, not sure if its already be filed | 00:57 |
| MTughan | If there seems to be a problem with Evolution, would I report it to Ubuntu or GNOME? | 00:58 |
| quentusrex | MTughan, what is the problem? | 00:59 |
| MTughan | quentusrex: Evolution allows multiple mail accounts to be set up, but it always uses the SMTP settings for the default account. | 00:59 |
| MTughan | Verified with two of the non-default accounts of my 6 set up. | 01:00 |
| quentusrex | that would probably be 'both' :) | 01:01 |
| quentusrex | start with upstream, then report to launchpad the upstream report | 01:02 |
| genii | npviewer.bin ..Fatal crash.... etc | 01:15 |
| Lounge | are testers still having issues with the ndivia drivers on lucid? | 01:15 |
| genii | Lounge: My 9300M is OK so far | 01:15 |
| Lounge | i'm having major crashes on bootup with the nvidia drivers on my dell xps400 | 01:16 |
| TrueSongMedia | Just downloaded Xubuntu 10.04 to try out ^_^ | 01:16 |
| Lounge | switching back to the nv driver and things work ok | 01:16 |
| Lounge | fir me | 01:17 |
| Lounge | for* | 01:17 |
| bjsnider | Lounge, remove plymouth | 01:18 |
| Lounge | this is my report to launchpad | 01:18 |
| Lounge | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/544628 | 01:18 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/544628) | 01:18 |
| Lounge | also would like to ask: why is pulseaudio refusing to stop? | 01:19 |
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| Lounge | now that a-3 is out, can i just do a dist-upgrade? | 01:22 |
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| h00k | Lounge: Beta 1 is out | 01:23 |
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| MTughan | quentusrex: No, I mean I have 6 accounts set up on there, and I've tried sending mail from 2 of the non-default accounts. | 01:31 |
| MTughan | Also, what do you mean by upstream? | 01:31 |
| quentusrex | MTughan, post for gnome first, | 01:33 |
| quentusrex | then post on launchpad | 01:33 |
| MTughan | That would mean creating both a Bugzilla and Launchpad account, wouldn't it? | 01:34 |
| MTughan | GNOME Bugzilla account, that is. | 01:34 |
| quentusrex | MTughan, yes, that is true. Hopefully you will be able to use the accounts again. | 01:35 |
| MTughan | Dunno that I would. I don't file many bug reports. | 01:35 |
| MTughan | I'd generally switch to something else I know works, like Mozilla's Thunderbird in this case. | 01:36 |
| * TrueSongMedia now has a Xubuntu 10.04 installation in Parallels ^_^ http://captures.truesongmedia.com/824a9ea15f5bec07b8be308763615490.png | 01:38 | |
| lucian | can't find the volume applet! | 01:39 |
| MTughan | lucian: You have sound? | 01:40 |
| lucian | i've clicked on system --> preferences --> sound, and now its saying "waiting for sound system to respond" and hanging | 01:40 |
| lucian | MTughan: yes i hear sound | 01:41 |
| MTughan | Yeah, your sound daemon seems to be hung. | 01:41 |
| lucian | i've tried alsa force-reload | 01:41 |
| lucian | still hangs | 01:41 |
| MTughan | Because it's not ALSA. It's PulseAudio. | 01:41 |
| lucian | i remove pulaseaudio | 01:41 |
| jmcantrell | after installing and updating, i can't get to the login screen. it just sits at the splash screen. how can i peek at what's going on or if there are any error messages? | 01:41 |
| lucian | removed it | 01:41 |
| MTughan | That could be why Sound Preferences and the Volume applet aren't showing then. I believe they're designed for PulseAudio. | 01:42 |
| MTughan | You'll have to find replacements. | 01:42 |
| lucian | how can it still be hanging if i've removed pa already? | 01:42 |
| lucian | but i hate pulseaudio >:( | 01:42 |
| lucian | cant stand it | 01:43 |
| MTughan | Because it's waiting for PulseAudio to start, but it's not there. | 01:43 |
| MTughan | What's wrong with PulseAudio? Works for me just fine. | 01:43 |
| lucian | it bugs out on me, | 01:43 |
| MTughan | I've got three Linux installations using it now with no problems. | 01:43 |
| lucian | pa doesn't get along with my system | 01:43 |
| MTughan | All right... I think it means you can't use the default Sound Preferences though then. | 01:44 |
| lucian | my system is 4 years old with an intergrated soundcard using a codec that barely supports linux | 01:44 |
| MTughan | You can't blame PulseAudio for having troubles with that then, I would think. | 01:45 |
| lucian | and pa causes allot of my games and secondlife viewer to crash | 01:45 |
| lucian | i dunno, it seemed that my system ran allot better, sounded allot better without pa | 01:45 |
| jmcantrell | why would my splash screen be just text and not the pretty image? | 01:46 |
| lucian | and didn't crash as much | 01:46 |
| MTughan | lucian: Well, that's possible. Still means you have to replace the built-in stuff for sound. | 01:46 |
| MTughan | jmcantrell: Could probably be a number of reasons. Do you see an error scroll by in the text? | 01:47 |
| jmcantrell | MTughan: no | 01:47 |
| jmcantrell | MTughan: nothing stands out in /var/log/messages either | 01:47 |
| MTughan | What kind of graphics? | 01:47 |
| lucian | pulseaudio and games are not fond of one another | 01:47 |
| jmcantrell | what handles the splash screen in lucid? | 01:48 |
| MTughan | lucian: PulseAudio and Frozen Bubble get along on two of my systems. | 01:48 |
| ZykoticK9 | jmcantrell, after grub comes plymouth | 01:48 |
| MTughan | jmcantrell: plymouthd IIRC. | 01:48 |
| jmcantrell | ZykoticK9, MTughan: why would plymouth have a text splash screen that says "Ubuntu 10.04" instead of the graphical one? | 01:49 |
| ZykoticK9 | jmcantrell, that's all i get with nvidia-blob as well | 01:49 |
| jmcantrell | maybe it's an nvidia thing | 01:49 |
| MTughan | Could be. The splash screen works fine on my laptop with ATI graphics. | 01:50 |
| jmcantrell | yeah, they work fine on my netbook too | 01:50 |
| MTughan | Which probably has Intel graphics. | 01:50 |
| jmcantrell | i wonder why they moved away from usplash. that worked fine with nvidia | 01:51 |
| bjsnider | the nvidia blob has no kms driver so naturally you don't get much with plymouth | 01:52 |
| jmcantrell | has anyone had trouble getting to the login screen with nvidia cards? i can't seem to | 01:52 |
| lucian | jmcantrell: yes i have | 01:53 |
| jmcantrell | lucian: have you been able to fix it? | 01:53 |
| lucian | for now i'm using the nv drivers for now | 01:54 |
| jmcantrell | ah | 01:54 |
| lucian | will there only one driver | 01:54 |
| jmcantrell | do you think this will be fixed? | 01:54 |
| lucian | something's going on with the nvidia drivers at this time | 01:54 |
| jmcantrell | how do i regenerate the default xorg.conf? | 01:55 |
| lucian | i'd use the xorg.conf.failsafe | 01:55 |
| jmcantrell | where is that? i don't see it in /etc/X11 | 01:55 |
| ZykoticK9 | jmcantrell, if you're using nvidia you could try "sudo nvidia-xconfig" to generate a new nvidia xorg.conf | 01:57 |
| jmcantrell | ZykoticK9: tried that | 01:57 |
| hackeron | hey, what's the equivalent to hal-find-by-capability now that hal is gone? | 01:57 |
| lucian | ZykoticK9: i tried that and it made my screen 640x480 and i couldn't change it back | 01:57 |
| ZykoticK9 | lucian, well for absolute default just mv xorg.conf to a different name and let autodetect to try, or to generate an xorg.conf the old fashioned way see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/create-an-xorg-conf-file | 01:59 |
| jmcantrell | what are the chances that the nvidia driver will work by the time lucid releases? | 01:59 |
| lucian | basically i was trying to install the drivers as instructed here | 01:59 |
| lucian | http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/alpha2 | 01:59 |
| lucian | and it didn't work | 01:59 |
| lucian | if you scroll down to the "known issues" | 02:00 |
| jmcantrell | what's a card that's known to work well with ubuntu with no trouble? | 02:02 |
| Hellow | jmcantrell: My nVidia GeForce 6200 is working well. It's not fast, but it works. | 02:02 |
| jmcantrell | i want to steer clear of nvidia. they seem to be so problematic | 02:03 |
| Hellow | ATI is worse. | 02:03 |
| arand | Intel, I guess... | 02:03 |
| MTughan | ATI works fine. | 02:03 |
| MTughan | Just don't use their drivers, use the open source drivers. | 02:04 |
| Hellow | MTughan: +1 | 02:04 |
| Hellow | Their drivers break more often than nVidia's. | 02:04 |
| MTughan | Does it matter? Both are closed-source. | 02:04 |
| MTughan | Means we're slaved to their update cycle if we use their drivers. | 02:05 |
| lucian | they're usually buggy in alha builds | 02:05 |
| Hellow | Does the open-source ATI drivers support 3D hardware acceleration? | 02:05 |
| lucian | alpha | 02:05 |
| Hellow | s/does/do | 02:05 |
| MTughan | Hellow: Well, the graphics here are turned up. And I had Compiz working with source-compiled radeonhd drivers under Fedora 12. | 02:05 |
| lucian | nope because "too big to fail" | 02:05 |
| Andre_Gondim | how do I connect Ubuntu One in lucid? | 02:06 |
| hackeron | anyone? what's the equivalent to hal-find-by-capability now that hal is gone? | 02:06 |
| Andre_Gondim | hackeron, udev | 02:07 |
| jmcantrell | removing the xorg.conf file doesn't help. i still can't get to the login screen | 02:07 |
| jmcantrell | do i need to remove the drivers too? | 02:08 |
| MTughan | Hellow: Yep, the distorted window dragging from Compiz works fine with the open source drivers shipped with 10.04. This is with an ATI Radeon HD3470 Mobile. | 02:08 |
| hackeron | Andre_Gondim: no such command udev | 02:09 |
| Hellow | MTughan: glxinfo | grep "direct rendering" | 02:09 |
| Hellow | If yes, then it supports hardware 3D acceleration. | 02:09 |
| MTughan | Give me a sec, need to install glxinfo. | 02:09 |
| MTughan | I'll need power soon too. | 02:09 |
| junos | Does anybody know how to fix wireless on a dell mini 10v with ubuntu 10.4? The controller keeps reseting | 02:09 |
| Andre_Gondim | hackeron, devidekit http://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/Ubuntu-10.04-Alpha-2-Removes-HAL | 02:10 |
| MTughan | Hellow: Yes. | 02:10 |
| Hellow | Ah, then the open-source ATI drivers are >>>> open-source nvidia drivers. | 02:10 |
| Hellow | Andre_Gondim: There should be an option under "Places" called "Ubuntu One". | 02:11 |
| hackeron | Andre_Gondim: devicekit: command not found | 02:11 |
| rww | junos: do you have an ethernet connection you can use? | 02:12 |
| rww | (you can fix it, but you need to install some packages) | 02:12 |
| junos | yep | 02:13 |
| Italian_Plumber | I must say I love the new artwork | 02:13 |
| rww | junos: alright. Plug it in, install the "b43-fwcutter" and "bcmwl-kernel-source" packages (e.g. sudo apt-get install b43-fwcutter bcmwl-kernel-source), say Yes when it prompts about installing firmware, and make sure you stay connected to ethernet until it's done installing the packages. Then, reboot. | 02:13 |
| rww | junos: there's a bug somewhere about the open-source b43 (which is what it tries to use by default) driver not working, but I don't have the link handy. | 02:15 |
| hackeron | anyone? what's the equivalent to hal-find-by-capability now that hal is gone? | 02:15 |
| jmcantrell | once i've removed the nvidia drivers and the xorg.conf, is there anything else i need to do to get back to the default settings? | 02:15 |
| junos | I'm trying it now...thanks for your help! | 02:15 |
| Italian_Plumber | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/502433 | 02:16 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 502433 in linux "Lucid: b43 fatal DMA error on Dell Mini 9" [Unknown,Confirmed] | 02:16 |
| rww | that it. thanks | 02:16 |
| rww | that's ** | 02:16 |
| rww | junos: You're welcome :). Let me know if you have any problems getting it going. | 02:16 |
| lucian | brb | 02:16 |
| Italian_Plumber | it was very flaky in jaunty... glad they fixed it for lucid. | 02:17 |
| hackeron | anyone? -- what do I use instead of hal-device, hal-get-property --udi $UDI, hal-find-by-capability, hal-find-by-property, etc now that there's no hal? | 02:20 |
| Hellow | What package provides the command ubuntuone-preferences? | 02:21 |
| lucian | dang, nvidia still fails to load | 02:21 |
| jmcantrell | nvidia is gone, splash screen looks normal, why does it just sit there and spin and not go to the login screen? | 02:22 |
| jmcantrell | i would greatly appreciate any suggestions | 02:22 |
| lucian | bug report is asking me is this issue has been confirmed to exist with the upstream kernel | 02:23 |
| lucian | how should i know | 02:23 |
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| lucian | i'm just gonna say yes | 02:24 |
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| MTughan | hackeron: Perhaps no one knows the answer here. Maybe you can find the package that replaced HAL and see what tools it provides. | 02:24 |
| jmcantrell | anyone? | 02:25 |
| MTughan | jmcantrell: There is movement on the screen? It hasn't frozen? | 02:25 |
| hackeron | MTughan: the news say libudev which is used in C apps and devicekit which has no packages | 02:25 |
| jmcantrell | MTughan: the splash screen is animating, it just never goes further | 02:26 |
| crimsun | hackeron: you can always just install hal. | 02:26 |
| hackeron | crimsun: yeh, but I want to use the new shiny stuff :) | 02:26 |
| junos | rww: I installed the packages...but I still can't connect to the internet. If I type dmesg It says, "b43-phy0 fatal DMA ERROR...Controller RESET" | 02:27 |
| rww | junos: you might need to restart before it kicks in | 02:27 |
| junos | rww: I did | 02:27 |
| junos | twice | 02:27 |
| rww | junos: weird. does "lsmod | grep b43" output anything? | 02:28 |
| rww | oh. actually. you might need to shutdown rather than just restarting. I vaguely remember that being necessary for some silly reason. | 02:29 |
| rww | so power off and then power back up again | 02:29 |
| junos | rww: ok I'll try that | 02:29 |
| lucian | yay! new reported "Bug #544746" i have no idea what but my kernel had a kerneloops | 02:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 544746 in linux "BUG: unable to handle kernel NULL pointer dereference at 0000023a" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/544746 | 02:29 |
| lucian | its pretty much has to do with nvidia, im sure of that | 02:31 |
| lucian | alright, ima take a break, go back into jaunty and play secondlife for a bit | 02:33 |
| junos | rww: shutdown...came back...module didn't load | 02:33 |
| junos | lsmod doesn't show b43 | 02:33 |
| rww | junos: does it show wl? | 02:33 |
| hackeron | Andre_Gondim: crimsun: ah, I guess I can use this: http://github.com/nzjrs/python-gudev/blob/master/test.py | 02:34 |
| hackeron | neat :) | 02:34 |
| junos | rww: I just did a 'modprobe b43' and it started working | 02:37 |
| rww | weird. it's supposed to work with wl and not work with b43. | 02:37 |
| rww | silly non-free wifi cards. confuse the heck out of me :( | 02:38 |
| junos | rww: I just hope they fix it before the release...since this is an officially supported model and didn't work out of the box with 9.10 | 02:38 |
| rww | junos: 9.10 is supposed to work if you install b43-fwcutter and bcmwl-kernel source too | 02:39 |
| rww | Jockey pops up and recommends them, if I remember correctly. | 02:39 |
| junos | rww:9.10 works...just not if you don't have a wired ethernet conncection and install the packages | 02:40 |
| zeeble | Hello. Have multiverse and universe enabled in my sources. Can anyone tell me the meta-package to install Sun's JRE? | 02:48 |
| zeeble | apt-cache shows me OpenJDK with Hotspot | 02:48 |
| ranjan | zeeble, its available in the ubuntu software center | 02:48 |
| zeeble | Umm, what is Ubuntu Software Centre/ | 02:49 |
| zeeble | I thought everything that is available to install, can be installed via apt | 02:49 |
| ranjan | Click on the application menu..u can see software center at the bottom | 02:49 |
| zeeble | lol, I dont have X running.. | 02:49 |
| zeeble | But yeah, I will look at that. | 02:49 |
| zeeble | Just getting packages right now after a very base install | 02:50 |
| ranjan | ok..then you should enable the Lucid partners repository | 02:50 |
| zeeble | hmm | 02:50 |
| zeeble | ranjan: the canonical lucid partner repo? | 02:50 |
| rww | zeeble: yes | 02:51 |
| ranjan | wait...is your multiverse repository enabled?? | 02:51 |
| zeeble | ah, uncommented in sources.list | 02:51 |
| zeeble | yes. | 02:51 |
| zeeble | multiverse and universe. | 02:51 |
| rww | Sun Java is in partner now, not multiverse :) | 02:51 |
| zeeble | thanks, now getting sun-java-jre in apt-cache | 02:51 |
| zeeble | :)) | 02:51 |
| zeeble | now i have to remove the openjdk nonsense :p | 02:51 |
| ranjan | rww, but even without enabling partners repository i have sun jre | 02:52 |
| ranjan | rww, !! | 02:52 |
| zeeble | Hm, wow. Inconsistent, then. | 02:53 |
| rww | ranjan: presumably because you upgraded from Karmic and it kept the packages from then, or something. | 02:53 |
| zeeble | Though, I have never used that Ubuntu that ubuntu software centre | 02:53 |
| ranjan | rww, no its a fresh installation | 02:53 |
| rww | ranjan: okay. Well, they're not in multiverse, so... yeah. | 02:53 |
| ranjan | rww, sorry sorry...actually i have enabled it... thank you | 02:54 |
| ranjan | rww, :) | 02:54 |
| rww | :) | 02:54 |
| zeeble | bleh. I think i messed up something during the upgrade. gnome-panel doesnt want to load | 02:56 |
| zeeble | ranjan: you're from somewhere in India? | 02:56 |
| ranjan | zeeble, yes :) and you?? | 02:57 |
| zeeble | ranjan: same. | 02:57 |
| ranjan | zeeble, where?? | 02:57 |
| zeeble | ranjan: mumbai | 02:57 |
| ranjan | zeeble, oh ..thats great | 02:57 |
| ranjan | zeeble, how long you are using linux?? | 02:58 |
| zeeble | ranjan: heh, off and on. since my uni days. that would be 1996/7 | 02:58 |
| ranjan | zeeble, oh great.. | 02:58 |
| zeeble | ranjan: but i more or less use windows full time :\ spreadsheets and MS apps | 02:58 |
| ranjan | zeeble, ok..but i think that you dont find openoffice good isnt it?? | 02:59 |
| zeeble | ranjan: no! I have a codeweavers license to run MS Office on Linux | 02:59 |
| ranjan | ranjan, ok, :) how much that cost?? | 03:00 |
| zeeble | ranjan: openoffice is fine for a lot of stuff, if you disable the Java in it. But I need MS for some macros and functions that are essential to my work. | 03:00 |
| zeeble | ranjan: um you can check out the codeweavers site for Crossover Office. They have different bundles and prices for students. Can get heavy discount. | 03:00 |
| ranjan | zeeble, ok..let me ask one think...some time before you were saying that you dont have X | 03:01 |
| ranjan | :) | 03:01 |
| zeeble | ranjan: Yeah, I hadnt installed all of X libs then. Installed them quickly | 03:01 |
| zeeble | Got a fast connection | 03:01 |
| ranjan | zeeble, ok :) now how is lucid?? | 03:01 |
| zeeble | Copying some of teh config files from a previous install, etc. | 03:02 |
| ranjan | zeeble, ok | 03:02 |
| zeeble | ranjan: Havent been working long enough on this yet, but should be good. As long as it is stable, I am fine. Not like I will reboot the machine every day | 03:02 |
| ranjan | zeeble, ok..but it boots in just 10 secs...thats a great achivement as far as an OS is concerned | 03:03 |
| zeeble | ranjan: heh. Not one an essential feature, but might help lots of people out there. Quick boot times. | 03:04 |
| ranjan | zeeble, yes:) | 03:04 |
| zeeble | ranjan: you dual boot your machine? | 03:05 |
| MTughan | Boots in 17.5 seconds from GRUB here. | 03:05 |
| MTughan | Granted, I'm using a 2.5" drive, but it is 7200rpm. | 03:05 |
| ranjan | zeeble, no...now only linux | 03:05 |
| MTughan | ranjan: You can run only Linux and still dual-boot. I dual-boot Ubuntu 10.04 and Fedora 12 on my laptop. | 03:05 |
| zeeble | :) | 03:05 |
| ranjan | MTughan, for me on an Intel Pentium D processor with GB and 2GB RAM | 03:06 |
| zeeble | My laptop still runs Karmic. Upgrading the workstation | 03:06 |
| ranjan | MTughan, boots in less than 12 secs | 03:06 |
| zeeble | What sort of services do you have enabled, MTughan? | 03:06 |
| MTughan | zeeble: Where would I check that? | 03:06 |
| MTughan | ranjan: Huh. Intel Core 2 Duo T9400 with 2GB of RAM. | 03:07 |
| ranjan | MTughan, and whats your boot time?? | 03:07 |
| MTughan | ranjan: I said, 17.5s to login screen from GRUB. | 03:07 |
| ranjan | MTughan, are you using karmic??? | 03:07 |
| MTughan | Nope, Lucid beta 1. | 03:08 |
| MTughan | Actually, it's from the start of the first GRUB. I've layed GRUB because of dual-booting, but I don't think the second GRUB takes that long. | 03:08 |
| zeeble | MTughan: try in the Administration menu - Services | 03:08 |
| ranjan | MTughan, oh..:( but then i feel lucky | 03:08 |
| ranjan | MTughan, :) | 03:09 |
| zeeble | MTughan: there's a utility available that allows you to view list of services.. trying to remember its name | 03:09 |
| ranjan | zeeble, is it bum?? | 03:09 |
| zeeble | could be | 03:09 |
| ranjan | zeeble, boot up manager | 03:09 |
| ranjan | :) | 03:09 |
| zeeble | I tend to use update-rc.d to stop services.. so not really familiar with that tool | 03:10 |
| MTughan | zeeble: Doesn't seem to be installed by default. Services, that is. | 03:10 |
| zeeble | MTughan: apt-get install bum | 03:10 |
| zeeble | now just to install xfce4 and this setup is done | 03:13 |
| MTughan | zeeble: What do the different icons mean? | 03:13 |
| zeeble | MTughan: to be honest, I havent used bum. I start stop services using a command called update-rc.d | 03:14 |
| zeeble | check the ones which are running and turn them off using update-rc.d -f remove | 03:14 |
| MTughan | Looks like only two are running: pulseaudio and cups. | 03:14 |
| zeeble | cups is a printing service, so you might need it. | 03:14 |
| MTughan | Yeah, the Common Unix Printing Service. | 03:15 |
| MTughan | Pulseaudio is the sound daemon. | 03:15 |
| zeeble | You should have many more services than that.. | 03:16 |
| zeeble | But these are essential ones. | 03:16 |
| MTughan | Yeah, so you would think. Something like NetworkManager. | 03:16 |
| zeeble | Stop worrying about the boot times, as long as it works fine when you are booted up | 03:16 |
| zeeble | yes. network, logging, etc. lots of services come up on boot. | 03:16 |
| MTughan | Oh, I should sort the columns right... :P | 03:16 |
| MTughan | pulseaudio, cups, avahi, acpid, udev, dbus, and cron are running now. | 03:17 |
| zeeble | all essential | 03:17 |
| MTughan | Looks like bluetooth, rsync, saned, pppd-dns, bootlogd, ntp, and gdm are also starting up, but aren't currently running. | 03:17 |
| zeeble | does your laptop have bluetooth? | 03:17 |
| zeeble | I'd disable services like bluetooth, rsync, saned, and gdm | 03:18 |
| MTughan | Yes. | 03:18 |
| MTughan | gdm provides the login screen. | 03:18 |
| zeeble | if at any time you need bluetooth, just start the service manually | 03:18 |
| zeeble | hm, okay. gdm too then | 03:18 |
| jmcantrell | has anyone tried installing the latest nvidia drivers from a ppa? | 03:18 |
| zeeble | I boot to text mode usually :) | 03:18 |
| MTughan | saned for sure. Not sure about rsync. | 03:19 |
| zeeble | sane you can stop. It is a frontend for scanning services | 03:19 |
| zeeble | rsync is probably enabled for some ubuntu cloud storage feature | 03:19 |
| zeeble | not essential if you arent using ubuntu one | 03:19 |
| MTughan | Well, I'll do an update/upgrade first, then worry about startup services. | 03:20 |
| zeeble | yeah. | 03:20 |
| MTughan | I can always use bootchart to see what's taking a lot of time on startup too. | 03:20 |
| zeeble | I got a reboot coming up. new kernel from sources | 03:20 |
| MTughan | bootchart temporarily replaces the default init and runs its own loggin. | 03:20 |
| MTughan | logging* | 03:21 |
| jmcantrell | lucian: have you tried nvidia drivers from a ppa? | 03:21 |
| zeeble | hm wow. trying to install the murrine themes and its a 20M download | 03:22 |
| un214 | all right, who broke the failsafe drivers this close to a release? | 03:29 |
| un214 | Now I've a real problem. | 03:30 |
| un214 | This system boots to an unusable console unless I remove fbcon.ko from the system. | 03:31 |
| un214 | backup kernel boots but no X | 03:31 |
| un214 | look I'm not kidding here. | 03:32 |
| un214 | The only drivers that ever worked reliably on this hardware are vgacon and X-vesa. | 03:33 |
| foxmulder881 | Hey folks, does anyone know when the beta is due? | 03:33 |
| MTughan | foxmulder881: It's out. | 03:33 |
| foxmulder881 | Ok, cheers. Is the issue with Plymouth fixed now? | 03:33 |
| MTughan | Which issue? | 03:34 |
| jmcantrell | how can i get the 195 nvidia driver in lucid? | 03:34 |
| === isaac__ is now known as isaac | ||
| ZykoticK9 | jmcantrell, nvidia-current is 195 | 03:34 |
| jmcantrell | ZykoticK9: oh, i see | 03:35 |
| zeeble | anyone got the sources.list entries to install opera and chromium browsers? | 03:36 |
| ZykoticK9 | zeeble, chromium is in the default repo now :) | 03:37 |
| foxmulder881 | I don't know what specific issue, but the guys on the forums were complaining about Plymouth issues. | 03:37 |
| zeeble | ZykoticK9: niice :) | 03:37 |
| un214 | what's it take to fix X broken on a system where fbcon can't be used? | 03:37 |
| jmcantrell | how can i turn off the splash screen? | 03:38 |
| un214 | apt-get remove usplash | 03:38 |
| jmcantrell | also, how do i get into the grub menu? | 03:38 |
| un214 | ESC | 03:38 |
| MTughan | un214: It uses plymouth now, not usplash. | 03:39 |
| un214 | hmmm maybe that's why my system is hosed | 03:39 |
| jmcantrell | i don't seem to have the opportunity to hit esc | 03:39 |
| un214 | I removed usplash as it broke my system awhile ago | 03:39 |
| jmcantrell | yeah, esc does not get me to the grub menu. | 03:40 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: it's left shift in grub 2 | 03:41 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: ah | 03:41 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: file is now /etc/default/grub, after changes run : sudo update grub | 03:41 |
| DasEi | *update-grub , ^typo | 03:42 |
| jmcantrell | wtf. cryptsetup depends on plymouth? | 03:42 |
| jmcantrell | how do i get rid of this stupid splash screen | 03:42 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: can remove (quite) splash in grubs conf | 03:43 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: left shift does nothing for me | 03:43 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: ah, you have to hold it. nvm | 03:44 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: it might be that your timeout is set very short | 03:44 |
| MTughan | jmcantrell: Try removing splash from GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT in /etc/default/grub. | 03:44 |
| DasEi | :)^ | 03:45 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: timeout can also bet set in /etc/default/grub | 03:45 |
| DasEi | touch of shift at bootup is then enough | 03:46 |
| un214__root | well that was interesting | 03:46 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: what can i do at the boot menu to disable splash? i tried changing splash to nosplash | 03:47 |
| un214__root | after removing plymouth, fbcon decided to behave itself | 03:47 |
| un214__root | still no X | 03:47 |
| un214__root | load X garbages the console and unwires the keyboard | 03:47 |
| Drakeson | is it just me, or does aptitude crash way too often recently? | 03:47 |
| un214__root | The Ctrl+Alt+Fn keys work. I'm quite convinced that if I had a usable Xterm I could still control the system. | 03:48 |
| un214__root | however, for the moment I'm really stuck | 03:49 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: comment the original line, save grub, run update-grub (all as superuser) | 03:51 |
| DasEi | Drakeson: had no problems so far (vm's) | 03:52 |
| DasEi | Drakeson: did you try to choose the fastest mirror ? | 03:52 |
| jmcantrell | ok, i've disabled splash and quiet, now when i enter the password for my crypt disks, it does nothing. no messages. anyone have any ideas? | 03:52 |
| Drakeson | actually now that I look at bugs.launchpad.net, it seems there are too many SIGSEGV's reported. not good :( | 03:53 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: where did you do this ? | 03:54 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: do what? | 03:55 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: i edited the grub entry directly from the grub menu then booted | 03:55 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: via the bootoption way, I see , | 03:56 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: I just did myself, the editing of grub gave me no splash | 03:57 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: yes. that worked for me as well. now i'm seeing more of what my original problem is. it just hangs after getting my password for disks in /etc/crypttab | 03:58 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: was this same before ? | 03:59 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: yes. i just wasn't able to see anything because of the splash screen | 03:59 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: i couldn't tell if it was hanging or not | 04:00 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: did you try another kernel ? | 04:00 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: now i see that it appears to be hanging or waiting on something | 04:00 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: what other kernels are there? | 04:00 |
| DasEi | .. and how did you edit grub then ? | 04:00 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: from the grub menu, i just removed splash and quiet | 04:01 |
| DasEi | mm | 04:02 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: idk what's wrong, will have to mount your fs from a live cd then, chroot and have a look | 04:03 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: there appears to be some issue with mounting /dev/mapper/* after they are unlocked | 04:03 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: crystallball.. try it manual, did the os ran before anyway ? | 04:05 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: it ran before i added the disks to /etc/crypttab for boot | 04:06 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: and mounttab / fstab ? | 04:07 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: added to fstab. what is mounttab? | 04:07 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: i can mount them manually | 04:09 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: mounttab was a mistake, you need the device in cryptab and the mapper / mountpoint in fstab only | 04:13 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: yep. got that already | 04:14 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: taking the fstab entries out allows me to boot. | 04:14 |
| jmcantrell | not sure how to proceed though without using the disks as unencrypted | 04:17 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: what's the line in fstab ? | 04:17 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: /dev/mapper/crypt_foo /home auto defaults 0 2 | 04:18 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: it's 0 0 , second is fsck, the 2 does .. I have too look up | 04:19 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: i read that all non-/ disks should be 2 | 04:20 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: yes, shouldN't hang there, try with 0 , if that works, run a fsck on the (de-crypted) mapper-device | 04:21 |
| DasEi | and I assume there is also no other device mountd to /home .. sure I think | 04:22 |
| DasEi | .. and dir /home exists | 04:23 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: that's correct | 04:23 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: no change. still does not mount | 04:24 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: is the preferred method of home encryption to let the installer create the encryption that ties in with the login password (the installer called it encrypted home)? | 04:27 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: either this or full crytion by alternate installer | 04:30 |
| === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever | ||
| marcosroriz | Hi guys, I'll be installing Ubuntu again on my notebook. I had some troubles with other distros. Should I go with Lucid? I mean is lucid 'ready' to use? | 04:35 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: what would the upgrade process look like? how would i use an encrypted home with a later version of ubuntu? | 04:38 |
| CastleFox | Hello. Does anyone know how I can check what crappy video card is in this computer ? | 04:39 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: same, if you got a seperate /home, you're always on a safer side for that | 04:40 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: so, there would be no conflict between versions? | 04:41 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: no, unless cryptographic tools change | 04:41 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: but you will then still be able to acces your files, would then have to set up a new /home, still now it's still crypt-luks | 04:42 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: how is it actually implemented? is there any performance difference between this and an encrypted partition (what i'm doing now)? | 04:45 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: performance is same, but you can have an lvm containing several partitons with one password | 04:46 |
| DasEi | logical volume manager | 04:46 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: yeah. i want to keep /home on it's own drive though. still possible? | 04:46 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: yes, set up standard, alter fstab & crypttab later | 04:47 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: how do i set this up after an install? | 04:47 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: like this approach | 04:48 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: you just set the mapper in fstab to /home, that's it | 04:48 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: yeah, but initially, how do i tell the installer to use my separate drive for /home? | 04:49 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: you won't, if you want to keep an existing crypted /home on a seperate drive, or do you mean for a fresh, including home, install ? | 04:50 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: let's say, for the sake of argument, that i want to do a completely fresh install with an encrypted home. would I just install as normal and then move /home/* to an empty ext4 partition on the separate drive, then add /home to the fstab? | 04:52 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: also, is it possible to setup the encrypted home from the alternate cd? i can't boot into the live cd | 04:54 |
| === dabossbv1 is now known as dabossbv | ||
| jmcantrell | DasEi: to clarify, i don't want to encrypt the entire system (i may need to reboot it remotely)... just home | 04:55 |
| jmcantrell | at what point in the install does it ask if I want an encrypted home? | 04:58 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: after the partition setup | 05:00 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: what's the best way to backup /home in this case? | 05:02 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: dd of the partition, or one of the various apps like unison, if you want incremental backups | 05:03 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: I'm using raid most times, to prevent data loss | 05:03 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: does it matter if the luks volume is currently open? when i copy the partition? | 05:04 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: for dd it shouldn't be mounted (live cd) any other , fs-related thing needs it open | 05:05 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: how would i get root to unlock it unattended so it can do rsync on the fs? | 05:06 |
| roberj13 | Does 10.04 have better Intel driver to work on arrandale integrated graphics? | 05:11 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: the newer live cd's support crypted partitons , or can do manually by lvscan and luksopen | 05:11 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: i just realized that this isn't going to work for me anyway. ssh pubkey auth :-/ | 05:12 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: so, it's either partition encryption that unlocks on boot or no encryption | 05:13 |
| DasEi | jmcantrell: no, you can always boot a live cd or put the extra drive in another machine | 05:13 |
| DasEi | and why would rsync not work ? | 05:14 |
| DasEi | just have a account on the remote host for that | 05:14 |
| jmcantrell | DasEi: because i'm probably not going to be logged in when it happens | 05:14 |
| === FFForever is now known as FFForever-Away | ||
| jmcantrell | if the unlocked partition isn't being mounted on boot, what package would that be associated with (for the bug report)? | 05:19 |
| casemods | what is lucid? | 05:33 |
| DasEi | !lucid | 05:33 |
| ubottu | Lucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 29th, 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in #ubuntu+1 - Development Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule | 05:33 |
| casemods | ah | 05:33 |
| casemods | thanks | 05:33 |
| casemods | So it's in beta? | 05:33 |
| rsk | it is | 05:33 |
| DasEi | yep, see above | 05:34 |
| casemods | I would try it, but I just switched from windows so I need a stable OS | 05:34 |
| casemods | I hope you understand :( | 05:34 |
| DasEi | casemods: works, but not recommended for productional environments | 05:34 |
| DasEi | casemods: karmic is fine, can dist-upgrade later | 05:35 |
| DasEi | !karmic | 05:35 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu 9.10 (Karmic Koala) is the current release of Ubuntu. Download: http://releases.ubuntu.com/9.10/ - Release Info: http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910 | 05:35 |
| DasEi | casemods: you can start with karmic and upgrade it to lucid later, lucid will also be lts | 05:39 |
| DasEi | !lts > casemods | 05:39 |
| ubottu | casemods, please see my private message | 05:39 |
| lucian | my system reported a bug to launchpad but its flagged as private plus it was over 25mb | 05:45 |
| lucian | just wondered does that mean no one can see it? | 05:45 |
| lucian | set it to public | 06:02 |
| lucian | Bug #544628 | 06:02 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 544628 in xorg-server "Xorg assert failure: *** glibc detected *** /usr/bin/X: munmap_chunk(): invalid pointer: 0x00ef03ff ***" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/544628 | 06:02 |
| thom_ | hi.. excuse me,, I was trying Ubuntu Lucy (Lucid Lynx) beta on my computer with live-CD session. But it gimme some errors. I couldn't get to the desktop. The error msgs r "init : ureadahead-other main process (1219) terminated with status 4" What was it? And What I should do? Note : it was running well on virtualbox | 06:25 |
| rsk | thom_ try with the noacpi bootparam | 06:27 |
| lucian | i'm getting it too with the nvidia drivers | 06:27 |
| lucian | it might be a bug in either in plymouth or in the nvidia restricted drivers | 06:28 |
| thom_ | when should I insert that command? | 06:28 |
| thom_ | I get it :D | 06:29 |
| thom_ | but now, why was it happen? Are my hardwares in trouble? | 06:30 |
| bullgard | My violet background covers initially the whole screen but later leaves a brownish fringe of about 12% at the top and bottom. Is this a known bug? | 06:30 |
| vish | hmm, my R Alt , for some reason now works only as Alt Gr .. | 06:31 |
| chandru_in | When trying to install Lucid Beta-1 in virtual box using the "Install Ubuntu 10.04" option directly, the installer freezes after retrieving time from server. Is this a known bug or should I file one? I tried searching on Launchpad but couldn't find one! | 06:46 |
| chandru_in | I've tried upgrading the installer to no avail | 06:46 |
| os2mac | ok, what version of virtual box? | 06:47 |
| os2mac | and what host OS? | 06:47 |
| chandru_in | Host OS: Windows XP | 06:48 |
| chandru_in | Virtual box version: 3.1.4 | 06:48 |
| ranjan | anybody how to install gloobus in lucid | 06:49 |
| os2mac | did you md5sum the iso before trying to install? | 06:49 |
| chandru_in | os2mac: Yes I did. I also find that selcting "Try ubuntu 10.04" and then starting the installer from desktop icon works fine | 06:50 |
| os2mac | sure it's not a virtual setup thing in Vbox? | 06:51 |
| chandru_in | os2mac: How do I ensure that? | 06:53 |
| rsk | chandru_in install it without vbox | 06:54 |
| chandru_in | rsk: It works fine directly on my machine | 06:55 |
| chandru_in | It fails only in VBox | 06:55 |
| os2mac | do you have a guest of your current OS in vbox or of any other ubuntu ver. | 06:55 |
| chandru_in | Yes I use Karmic within VBox too | 06:55 |
| rsk | so goto #vbox | 06:55 |
| os2mac | ok check your hardware settings for Karmic against your settings for Lucid. and see if they match... if they don't then make them and see if that corrects the problem | 06:56 |
| chandru_in | rsk: I thought it might be a Lucid specific issue as Karmic installas and works just fine on the same VBox installation | 06:56 |
| chandru_in | os2mac: They are identical in every aspect | 06:56 |
| os2mac | also be aware that I recently had to revert to 3.1.2 on Vbox because of USB issues. | 06:56 |
| chandru_in | I don't think USB issues would hurt this one coz I'm installing from the downlaoded ISO image | 06:57 |
| os2mac | have you asked these questions in #vobx? | 06:57 |
| os2mac | c/#vobx/#vbox | 06:57 |
| os2mac | Lucid is alpha right now correct? | 06:58 |
| chandru_in | os2mac: I didn't since I thought it'd be specific to Lucid as Karmic works fine. Anyway will hit #vbox too thanks | 06:58 |
| chandru_in | os2mac: I'm using beta 1 | 06:58 |
| os2mac | well if you can run it on the native machine and it works just fine and doesn't work in Vbox.... see where I am going with this? | 06:59 |
| chandru_in | hmmm makes sense will see what the vbox people ahve to say too | 07:00 |
| chandru_in | *have | 07:00 |
| os2mac | chandru_in: sorry to keep bouncing you around rooms. | 07:02 |
| os2mac | just trying to get you in touch with the correct people | 07:02 |
| chandru_in | os2mac: Absolutely not a problem. It's better to ask it at the right place and get a correct response rather than stick to the wrong place :) | 07:03 |
| os2mac | yeah I a will follow you over I would like to see the answer. | 07:03 |
| abhinav | chandru_in: could you try upgrading from karmic to lucid (instead of clean install) ? | 07:05 |
| os2mac | abhinav: it's a virtual box fresh install. | 07:06 |
| os2mac | never mind just reread... sorry. | 07:06 |
| chandru_in | abhinav: Well, I want both the versions. Also, I'm frankly doing some beta testing and would love to find bugs before release :) | 07:07 |
| os2mac | according to this http://forums.virtualbox.org/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=27416 | 07:07 |
| os2mac | it's possible it's a kernel issue or ACPI | 07:07 |
| os2mac | I HAVE seen that before on new version installs. | 07:07 |
| os2mac | only real solution is to wait for them to get it working again. | 07:07 |
| chandru_in | os2mac: Oh thanks for finding that out. I also find that gwibber crashes quite a lot but need some more time to isolate exact problems. :D | 07:09 |
| os2mac | no worries. | 07:09 |
| os2mac | any ops in right now? | 07:09 |
| DasEi | os2mac: I'm no op, what's your issue ? and simp looks for you in #ubuntu | 07:15 |
| os2mac | that's my issue.. he's asked me like 5 completely non sequitar questions in about 5 minutes.. I think he's trolling. | 07:16 |
| DasEi | os2mac: seems little wierd, true, but first you can tell a user and else, but think before acting, can use "!ops" to call them, but also can put people on ignore, which is often better if one doubts if the other end is more helpless or more trolling | 07:26 |
| os2mac | other than the fact he is sitting in there trolling other people as well. he's up to three now. | 07:27 |
| os2mac | just in the time we started talking. | 07:27 |
| bullgard | mc no longer diplays names of executable files in green color. Is this a bug of mc? | 07:30 |
| === kermiac_ is now known as kermiac | ||
| blekos | hello, I have the following problem following me from previous versions: I cannot connect to wpa & wpa2 wireless networkds | 07:46 |
| DasEi | os2mac: pm you ? | 07:47 |
| os2mac | sure | 07:48 |
| === kermiac is now known as kermiac_ | ||
| roberj13 | Need help installing flash player on 64 bit. Is there a way? When I go to adobe, it downloads 32bit.. | 07:55 |
| kindofabuzz | isn't nautilus supposed to have an Ubuntu One folder? | 08:01 |
| JohnFlux_ | Hi all | 08:08 |
| JohnFlux_ | I'm trying to get a piece of hardware working with 9.10. The bug report suggests using the latest kernel 2.6.32 | 08:09 |
| JohnFlux_ | But that comment is a few months old. I see now a 2.6.33 and a 2.6.34-rc2-karmic | 08:09 |
| JohnFlux_ | should I try these instead? | 08:09 |
| JohnFlux_ | Does 2.6.34-rc2 work mostly? Or should I avoid it? | 08:10 |
| rsk | JohnFlux_ it's only a reboot away if it dosen't work | 08:14 |
| === jeremy_ is now known as Guest96188 | ||
| JohnFlux_ | Okay back - I rebooted with 2.6.33 | 08:16 |
| dupondje | roberj13: flashplayer is in repo's ? | 08:19 |
| roberj13 | dupondje, I found it, thanks | 08:19 |
| MJEvans | How the frick do I access sleep without pmi on the console? | 08:33 |
| MJEvans | Correction, suspend | 08:37 |
| bullgard | I cannot install the DEB program package kexi. Synaptic tells me: "No installable version of package kexi found although there is an entry in the database." How to proceed? | 08:43 |
| abhinav | bullgard: what do you mean by deb program ? do you have the .deb file ? | 08:49 |
| abhinav | bullgard: if you have a .deb you want to install, try sudo dpkg -i <package> | 08:49 |
| bullgard | abhinav: I did not say "DEB program" but I said "DEB program package". Do you see the difference? | 08:50 |
| abhinav | bullgard: ok, is it available in the repos ? | 08:51 |
| abhinav | !kexi | 08:51 |
| rsk | !info kexi | 08:52 |
| ubottu | Package kexi does not exist in lucid | 08:52 |
| abhinav | bullgard: ok, I can install it under 9.04 something wrong with lucid. checking.. | 08:52 |
| rsk | abhinav it isn't in lucid | 08:53 |
| bullgard | abhinav: '~ $ sudo dpkg -i <package>; There were errors when processing: kexi.' | 08:53 |
| abhinav | rsk: ok..must be replaced by something else ? (change of name of package etc) | 08:53 |
| rsk | i have no ide | 08:53 |
| rsk | a | 08:53 |
| bullgard | If nobody has an idea here in this channel: Where can I turn to? This program is essential for me. I was using it the last 2.5 years every day. | 08:55 |
| abhinav | bullgard: I don't have access to a lucid system right now - could you try searching for the package in synaptics - maybe the name has changed etc ? | 08:55 |
| rsk | bullgard kexis website. | 08:55 |
| rsk | http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/koffice-1.6.3/src/koffice-1.6.3.tar.bz2 | 08:56 |
| BUGabundo_remote | 0/ | 08:57 |
| rsk | \1 | 08:57 |
| bbordwell | rsk, I am coming into the middle of your conversation, what is it that your are trying to get working? | 08:57 |
| bullgard | abhinav: This is what I did first before I posted here. Synaptic 0.62.5 does list an package entry "kexi" but without any additional information. It also lists two libraries for it in normal verbose fashion. | 08:57 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: kexi | 08:58 |
| rsk | bbordwell nothing | 08:58 |
| bullgard | rsk: http://download.kde.org/download.php?url=stable/koffice-1.6.3/src/koffice-1.6.3.tar.bz2 does not even mention "kexi". Why do you recommend this website? | 09:02 |
| abhinav | bullgard: yeah I see that it is not available under lucid as a package. is it possible that the functionality got integrated into koffice ? | 09:03 |
| bbordwell | abhinav, I am installing koffice right now to test that | 09:04 |
| bbordwell | its a big download thought, almost done | 09:04 |
| bbordwell | though* | 09:04 |
| abhinav | bbordwell: great .. I tried searching but couldn't find any news/info. | 09:05 |
| bullgard | abhinav: A local ubuntero just told me: "https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kexi/+publishinghistory; Deleted on 2006-04-26 by Colin Watson; superseded by koffice; Title: Publishing history : “kexi” package : Ubuntu (at edge.launchpad.net)' | 09:06 |
| rsk | bullgard because i know it's right | 09:08 |
| bullgard | rsk: I do not understand this English. Could say it in other words, please? | 09:08 |
| rsk | nope | 09:09 |
| bbordwell | I have Koffice installed and i am not seeing kexi anywhere | 09:09 |
| yofel | iirc kexi was part of an older koffice version | 09:09 |
| bbordwell | http://www.koffice.org/kexi/ | 09:10 |
| bbordwell | this website says it is not included in koffice 2 | 09:10 |
| bbordwell | it says to use the version from 1.6 | 09:11 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: My Lucid Synaptic tells me that Lucid only offers koffice newest version 1:2.1.1-1ubuntu2 | 09:13 |
| bbordwell | bullgard, yes this is exactly the problem | 09:14 |
| bbordwell | Since koffice 2 is included there is no kexi, i am trying to find another way to get it | 09:14 |
| yofel | you could add the karmic repository and install if from there, could work | 09:15 |
| rsk | i told you where to get it | 09:15 |
| rsk | ¨but nooo | 09:15 |
| yofel | rsk: I doubt he wants to build kexi from source... | 09:16 |
| rsk | then how is he supposed to install a binary? | 09:16 |
| yofel | like I said, he could try to install the karmic package (from packages.ubuntu.com or whatever) and see if he get's it to work, if not he'll have to build it from source I guess | 09:18 |
| bbordwell | yofel, I am looking into installing from karmic repositores | 09:18 |
| yofel | bbordwell: works, but you'll have to downgrade a few koffice packages it seems | 09:19 |
| yofel | (at least -data and -libs it seems) | 09:19 |
| bbordwell | yes, the koffice 2 packages will not be compatible with koffice 1.6 | 09:19 |
| bbordwell | I got it working :) | 09:24 |
| bbordwell | bullgaurd, give me a min and i will type easy instructions | 09:24 |
| bbordwell | download these three packages | 09:25 |
| bbordwell | http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/all/koffice-data/download | 09:25 |
| bbordwell | bullgaurd are you using 64 bit or 32 bit? | 09:26 |
| bullgard | 32 bit | 09:26 |
| bbordwell | okay sorry thats a bad link then | 09:26 |
| BUGabundo_remote | bbordwell: karmic? | 09:27 |
| bbordwell | these three packages | 09:28 |
| bbordwell | http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/koffice-data | 09:28 |
| bbordwell | http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/i386/kexi/download | 09:28 |
| bbordwell | http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/i386/koffice-libs/download | 09:28 |
| bbordwell | save the files | 09:29 |
| yofel | BUGabundo_remote: koffice 1.6 from karmic | 09:29 |
| BUGabundo_remote | we don't have it in lucid? | 09:29 |
| yofel | BUGabundo_remote: as lucid has 2.0 which is missing a few things | 09:29 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: What is a suitable directory to save these 3 files? | 09:29 |
| bbordwell | then simply double click on them to open gdebi and install libs first then data then kexi | 09:29 |
| bbordwell | downloads is fine | 09:30 |
| BUGabundo_remote | ahh | 09:30 |
| BUGabundo_remote | !koffice | 09:30 |
| bbordwell | It might be data first and then libs i am not sure | 09:30 |
| bbordwell | but it will not let you install them in the wrong order | 09:30 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: (apport-gtk is interfering. I need some time to deal with that first.) | 09:32 |
| bbordwell | ok, if you need any further help i should be here for a while | 09:33 |
| bbordwell | yofel, thanks for the karmic repositories suggestion | 09:34 |
| yofel | yw | 09:35 |
| bbordwell | Has anyone here tried to burn a CD using rhythmbox? | 09:36 |
| bbordwell | It is not working for me, worked fine in karmic | 09:36 |
| bbordwell | i filed a bug report | 09:36 |
| kslen | did last nights update break compiz for others out there? | 09:36 |
| bbordwell | but its not marked as affecting anyone else :( | 09:36 |
| bbordwell | I could not tell you it does not work with nouveau :( | 09:37 |
| bbordwell | compiz was updated yesterday thought right? | 09:37 |
| bbordwell | so its very possible | 09:37 |
| kslen | believe me saw something about compiz mentioned along with xorg core | 09:38 |
| kslen | perhaps it was xorg core video or something along those lines | 09:38 |
| kslen | was about half asleep when i applied the update so i don't remember much unfortunately | 09:39 |
| bbordwell | what version of compiz is reported in your synaptic? | 09:39 |
| kslen | compiz-core (2 1:0.8.3) | 09:41 |
| bbordwell | nvm I can not find the last version anywhere | 09:41 |
| bbordwell | i was going to suggest you revert to the last version but its not on launchpad anymroe | 09:42 |
| kslen | hum, that's apt-cache btw | 09:42 |
| kslen | in synaptics it says 0.8.4 | 09:42 |
| kslen | oh, and completely separate packages. | 09:44 |
| kslen | i's apt nub :> | 09:44 |
| bbordwell | haha | 09:44 |
| bbordwell | what do you have for a video card? | 09:45 |
| kslen | intel 954gme integrated shiet | 09:45 |
| pecisk | people, ofttopic, but how was named that Ubuntu usability project? | 09:48 |
| bbordwell | do you know how to compile from source? i found the source for 2 versions ago | 09:48 |
| bbordwell | I would package it for you, but I am not sure how | 09:48 |
| kslen | i've compiled a thing or two in slackware, wether it's the same on ubuntu i has no clue | 09:48 |
| kslen | as long as that fakeroot crap isn't involved, i'm game | 09:49 |
| kslen | :D | 09:49 |
| bbordwell | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/compiz/1:0.8.4-0ubuntu11 | 09:50 |
| bbordwell | well that is the link that has all the files, if you can figure it out then that would be a good try | 09:50 |
| kslen | i'll have a look. thanks :> | 09:51 |
| victor_ | hi, after i upgraded 9.10 to lucid beta1 i noticed a performance downgrade with my graphics... its noticeable with compiz and e.g. my matrix screensaver... any ideas how to tune that back? | 09:53 |
| bbordwell | what type of video card? | 09:53 |
| victor_ | i tried to install the radeon driver on my laptop, but that returned an error | 09:53 |
| bbordwell | You get the plymouth boot splash right? | 09:54 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: I used Gdebi to download all packages. I do not know where Gdebi placed them. How can I find these 3 packages? | 09:55 |
| victor_ | yeah i do have that bootsplash | 09:55 |
| victor_ | here is my ati driver install error: | 09:56 |
| victor_ | Error: ./default_policy.sh does not support version | 09:56 |
| victor_ | default:v2:i686:lib::none:2.6.32-16-generic; make sure that the version is being | 09:56 |
| victor_ | correctly set by --iscurrentdistro | 09:56 |
| bbordwell | okay, That means it is running KMS now, which i belive at this point is slower | 09:56 |
| bbordwell | bullgard, gdebi does not download things? | 09:56 |
| bbordwell | when you click on a link it will ask to open with gdebi or save | 09:57 |
| victor_ | is that something temporary? | 09:57 |
| bbordwell | you should click save | 09:57 |
| bbordwell | victor, Well things should improve over time | 09:57 |
| bbordwell | but if you mean by release time no | 09:58 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: I do not understand you well. gdebi told me that it downloaded the 3 packages all right. Do you challenge this? | 09:58 |
| bbordwell | Gdebi installs packages | 09:58 |
| bbordwell | if you mean it installed all the packages then kexi should be in your office menu | 09:59 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: Was it wrong to let Gdebi install these 3 packages? | 09:59 |
| BUGabundo_remote | "Issue still present in 10.04_beta2" heck this ppl come from the future | 09:59 |
| bbordwell | applications>office | 09:59 |
| BUGabundo_remote | humm bug 527458 | 09:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 527458 in indicator-application "please include status messages/tooltips" [Wishlist,Won't fix] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527458 | 09:59 |
| BUGabundo_remote | MUAUU | 10:00 |
| bbordwell | that is what you wanted to do, however you said download not install so i was confused | 10:00 |
| bbordwell | if you go to applications>office is kexi there? | 10:00 |
| BUGabundo_remote | do you guys remember https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/332945 ? | 10:00 |
| ubottu | Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: The read operation timed out (https://launchpad.net/bugs/332945) | 10:01 |
| BUGabundo_remote | does anyone even remember how it used to be before jaunty ? | 10:01 |
| * BUGabundo_remote kicks the bot | 10:01 | |
| bullgard | bbordwell: It is not in Applications> Office. | 10:01 |
| BUGabundo_remote | bug 332945 ? | 10:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 332945 in null "[Jaunty] Update Notifier icon would provide useful status information / new update-manager behaviour is annoying" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/332945 | 10:01 |
| * BUGabundo_remote takes the boots off | 10:01 | |
| yofel | ah, what memories... | 10:02 |
| bbordwell | okay, first go to my links and when you click on one of the download mirrors change it to save (not open with gdebi) this will save them to your downloads directory | 10:03 |
| BUGabundo_remote | ahah I knew it | 10:04 |
| BUGabundo_remote | yofel: kklimonda: our second UI USER fighting bug of this cycle https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/indicator-application/+bug/527458 | 10:05 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 527458 in indicator-application "please include status messages/tooltips" [Wishlist,Won't fix] | 10:05 |
| BUGabundo_remote | tooltips | 10:05 |
| BUGabundo_remote | cause UI team and Mark believe "less is more" | 10:05 |
| bbordwell | bullgard: you are using firefox correct? | 10:05 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: I am using Firefox. | 10:05 |
| yofel | what's wrong with tooltips o.O? | 10:05 |
| tormod | BUGabundo_remote, less users? :) | 10:06 |
| kslen | bbordwell, having a look at the source now. INSTALL file says run autogen.sh, there's no such file. am i retarded? :P | 10:06 |
| BUGabundo_remote | yofel: "Tooltips are a common device, but don't add an equal amount of value when used in different places. They also introduce potential problems: their rendering can be ugly and they can encourage "scrubbing". They are often poorly phrased and introduce additional translation requirements." via Mark | 10:06 |
| BUGabundo_remote | tormod: low blow :P | 10:07 |
| yofel | yeah, I'm reading the bug | 10:07 |
| bbordwell | kslen: I have no idea :) haha i have not even attempted it because i know i will not be able to | 10:07 |
| BUGabundo_remote | HEYYYYY | 10:07 |
| tormod | I think the only place I actually use tooltips is for the notification bar | 10:07 |
| BUGabundo_remote | where did my NM icon go today!?!?!? | 10:07 |
| bbordwell | bullgard: okay let me know when you have the packages saved to you download directory | 10:07 |
| bbordwell | bugabundo_remote have you tried typing nm-applet in terminal? | 10:08 |
| * BUGabundo_remote still has 3 apps in tray bar! it won't be killed this cycle *yet* | 10:08 | |
| switchgirl | what is the lucid bug tracker url? | 10:08 |
| BUGabundo_remote | switchgirl: same as ever | 10:08 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: My directory /var/cache/PackageKit/downloads is empty. | 10:08 |
| BUGabundo_remote | !bts | 10:08 |
| BUGabundo_remote | !bugs | 10:08 |
| ubottu | If you find a bug in Ubuntu or any of its derivatives, please file a bug using the command « ubuntu-bug <package> » - See https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs for other ways to report bugs - Bugs in/wishes for the IRC bots (not Ubuntu) can be filed at http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-bots | 10:08 |
| BUGabundo_remote | bbordwell: $ nm-applet | 10:09 |
| BUGabundo_remote | An instance of nm-applet is already running. | 10:09 |
| * BUGabundo_remote reports bug | 10:09 | |
| bbordwell | bullgard, /home/(username)/downloads | 10:09 |
| bbordwell | if you go to places>downloads | 10:09 |
| bbordwell | that should be it | 10:09 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: But Gdebi tells me that it has downloaded these 3 files. | 10:09 |
| switchgirl | yeh i mean for "record the affecting anouther distrobution/package :bug#115071 :bugs:" | 10:10 |
| bbordwell | bullgard, tell me exactly what happens if you double click on the package called kexi | 10:10 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: The name of this directory is capitalized. I found the 3 files in it. | 10:10 |
| bbordwell | are the three files the packages I had you download? | 10:11 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: Yes. | 10:11 |
| bbordwell | Okay, double click on the one called kexi and tell me exactly what happens | 10:12 |
| * BUGabundo_remote subs to yet a another ratting bug | 10:12 | |
| BUGabundo_remote | "Package nm-applet does not exist" | 10:12 |
| BUGabundo_remote | MAUAUAUAU | 10:12 |
| BUGabundo_remote | bad apport, bad | 10:13 |
| bbordwell | bugabund, haha sorry thats what i was called in karmic | 10:13 |
| bbordwell | i see that its not present in lucid though | 10:13 |
| BUGabundo_remote | bbordwell: use TAB for autocomplete | 10:14 |
| bbordwell | oh thank you BUGabundo_remote | 10:14 |
| bbordwell | :) | 10:14 |
| yofel | BUGabundo_remote: haha, yes, that apport bug still isn't fixed :/ | 10:14 |
| BUGabundo_remote | which of them!? | 10:15 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: A program window "Paket-Installer - kexi" opens. It says: "Paket: kexi. Status: Fehler: Abhängikeit kann nicht erfüllt werden: koffice-libs (<< 1.1.6.4)" in red. | 10:15 |
| yofel | BUGabundo_remote: ubuntu-bug nm-applet ;) | 10:15 |
| bbordwell | okay that means that koffice-libs is not installed | 10:15 |
| yofel | maybe it doesn't install them because you need to downgrade them | 10:16 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: Should I install this package? | 10:16 |
| BUGabundo_remote | $ ubuntu-bug network-manager-gnome | 10:16 |
| bbordwell | that is one of the packages i had you download | 10:16 |
| yofel | I'm not sure if gdebi supports that | 10:16 |
| BUGabundo_remote | yofel: err am I that stupid ? | 10:16 |
| bbordwell | so double click on koffice-libs packages | 10:16 |
| bbordwell | and install that one first | 10:16 |
| yofel | BUGabundo_remote: sry, but 'Package nm-applet does not exist' sounds familiar :P | 10:17 |
| bbordwell | bullgard, do you have koffice installed? | 10:17 |
| BUGabundo_remote | yofel: $ ubuntu-bug network-manager-gnome works | 10:17 |
| bbordwell | if you do it may cause some confilcts | 10:17 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: (I just installed koffice-data_1.6.3-7ubuntu10_all.deb.) | 10:18 |
| yofel | BUGabundo_remote: yes, as will 'ubuntu-bug $(which nm-applet)', but ubuntu-bug nm-applet still doesn't work | 10:18 |
| bbordwell | good, then do the one called koffice-date | 10:18 |
| bbordwell | data* | 10:18 |
| bbordwell | oops thats the one you did, so then do koffice-libs | 10:19 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: At this moment I do not have installed the DEB program package 'koffice'. | 10:19 |
| * BUGabundo_remote feels that LP should have a check box below Security Vul, saying: "This is a UI bug, and I'm here to RANT" :) | 10:20 | |
| BUGabundo_remote | https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/network-manager-applet/+bug/544926 | 10:20 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 544926 in network-manager-applet "An instance of nm-applet is already running. " [Undecided,New] | 10:20 |
| yofel | I have nothing against ranting, but LP needs to display comments in pages like a forum, and not several hundred comments on one page... | 10:22 |
| bbordwell | bullgard, that is good. were you able to install koffice-libs? | 10:22 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: This process is under way. | 10:22 |
| BUGabundo_remote | yofel: +1 | 10:23 |
| BUGabundo_remote | and karma based too so they hide, like so many blogs | 10:23 |
| BUGabundo_remote | wasn't there a bug for that? | 10:23 |
| BUGabundo_remote | I remember filing it | 10:23 |
| BUGabundo_remote | ohhh the good old days I would file bugs on just about anything cause I believe it would change the World | 10:24 |
| BUGabundo_remote | naïve | 10:24 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: Now: "The package »koffice-libs_1.6.3-7ubuntu10_i368.deb« is now installed." | 10:24 |
| * BUGabundo_remote wonders why pidgin added a a trema to that 'i' | 10:24 | |
| bbordwell | okay, now the package kexi should install | 10:24 |
| bbordwell | the red should have gone away | 10:25 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: Now: "The package »kexi_1.6.3-7ubuntu10_i368.deb« is now installed." | 10:26 |
| bbordwell | okay, it should now be in applications>office | 10:26 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: It is. | 10:27 |
| bbordwell | great that was not to bad. was that german i saw earlier? | 10:28 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: Yes, it was German. -- It works now. -- Great! -- Thank you for your enduring help. | 10:29 |
| bbordwell | Do you live in Germany? I lived there when I was very little | 10:29 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: What do you recommend me to watch out for the future of Kexi? | 10:30 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: Yes. I live in Berlin, Germany. Almost downtown. | 10:30 |
| bbordwell | Well on the koffice website it said that it is planned for koffice 2.2 | 10:30 |
| bbordwell | so once that comes out it will be included in koffice by default | 10:30 |
| bbordwell | so it should be easy in 10.10 | 10:31 |
| bbordwell | Do not try to install koffice in lucid though | 10:31 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: I won't. | 10:31 |
| bbordwell | because it requires koffice-libs 2.x and this will remove koffice-libs 1.6 causing kexi to stop working | 10:32 |
| bbordwell | I lived near Frankfurt | 10:33 |
| bbordwell | It was on a military base though | 10:34 |
| bullgard | bbordwell: I am sorry that Germans elected Hitler and Germany started World War II. | 10:34 |
| bbordwell | Haha, that was long before my time | 10:35 |
| bullgard | But the consequences were certainly felt yet when you were in Germany, I believe. | 10:36 |
| bbordwell | well i have to go | 10:37 |
| bullgard | Thank you again. | 10:37 |
| bullgard | [GNOME] How can I move a window to the Workspace Right? | 10:54 |
| BUGabundo_remote | bullgard: keyb or mouse? | 10:58 |
| BUGabundo_remote | keyb: ctrl+shift+right arrow key | 10:58 |
| bullgard | BUGabundo_remote: keyb: ctrl+shift+right arrow key does not show any reaction. | 11:01 |
| BUGabundo_remote | works fine for me | 11:02 |
| BUGabundo_remote | do you have a window selected? | 11:03 |
| bullgard | BUGabundo_remote: But I know now the solution for mouse. | 11:03 |
| yofel | that combination is compiz only I think | 11:03 |
| BUGabundo_remote | yofel: not using compiz here | 11:03 |
| BUGabundo_remote | and always worked | 11:03 |
| bullgard | yofel: I do not want to use Compiz. | 11:03 |
| yofel | hm | 11:03 |
| * yofel uses KDE and shuts up | 11:03 | |
| BUGabundo_remote | bullgard: your loose! compiz is great | 11:04 |
| bullgard | BUGabundo_remote: You may be right. :-) | 11:05 |
| BUGabundo_remote | I'm always right! :D get that, and we will be fine | 11:05 |
| BUGabundo_remote | ask kklimonda | 11:06 |
| cousteau | tried to install extremetuxracer in lucid, it says that "failed while renaming: hash sum is different" | 11:18 |
| cousteau | will change the software source and try again | 11:19 |
| bullgard | cousteau: You better tell us what installation method you selected. | 11:19 |
| cousteau | bullgard: sudo aptitude install extremetuxracer, with official repository server for spain | 11:20 |
| cousteau | which I've found to be a bit buggy, so I'm trying with the main server now | 11:20 |
| bullgard | gnome-power-manager > right-click does not produce a context menu. Is this a known bug? | 11:21 |
| Kano | hi, why is the installer so _extremely_ slow responding? | 11:25 |
| JohnFlux | Hey all | 11:25 |
| cousteau | nothing, the main repositories neither work, seems to be a bug with the package | 11:26 |
| cousteau | extremetuxracer-data | 11:26 |
| JohnFlux | I see a driver in staging in 2.6.31 but I don't see any staging drivers in the lucid kernels | 11:26 |
| cousteau | gotta go, will fill a bug later | 11:26 |
| Kano | especially the kubuntu variant | 11:26 |
| yofel | cousteau: wait a moment, I'll test it | 11:26 |
| cousteau | gotta go, will brb later | 11:29 |
| yofel | cousteau: I'll report it, pkg broken it seems | 11:29 |
| Kano | also the kubuntu installer does not allow the correct selection of the bootloader target, sdb is not available nor any other partition | 11:29 |
| cousteau | ok, thanks! | 11:29 |
| JohnFlux | Is there an ubuntu-kernel team? | 11:30 |
| JohnFlux | How do I get a change put in? | 11:30 |
| zzz__ | Just tried to apply the latest updates and was told I had to do a distribution upgrade. Did that an checked for and applied all additional updates, and now I can't access the NAS drives again, and have to manually kill "gvfsd-smb-browse" to get cpu usage under 100%. Checked and found all programs that had to be manually installed still installed. What now? | 11:30 |
| yofel | zzz__: partial upgrades are generally a bad idea unless you know what you're doing | 11:31 |
| yofel | JohnFlux: you'll find the kernel team in #ubuntu-kernel | 11:31 |
| yofel | JohnFlux: also the main ubuntu kernels do have staging enabled (I use one of them) | 11:32 |
| yofel | JohnFlux: i think there was an issue with the mainline builds being built without staging drivers though | 11:32 |
| JohnFlux | yofel: ah | 11:32 |
| zzz__ | yofel: That's why I presented the problem, and asked the question here, in hopes of finding someone who "knows what they are doing." | 11:46 |
| Dr_Willis | Ive had issues with samba and gvfs (and other issues with gvfs) for ages. :() | 11:47 |
| yofel | I know, sry if I sounded rude, not intended. But we do get a few reports from time to time about broken stuff by people that don't know what they are doing | 11:47 |
| yofel | I can't help you though as I use KDE | 11:47 |
| Dr_Willis | Testing out Kubuntu here also. Its gotten very nice | 11:47 |
| Dr_Willis | Hmm.. Now for some odd reason the KDE desktop isent launching | 11:50 |
| yofel | ^^^ | 11:50 |
| yofel | *^^ | 11:50 |
| Dr_Willis | Ive been having lots of 'x not starting properly' or gnome, or kde, on and off for the last few weeks :() | 11:51 |
| Dr_Willis | 'Ubuntu is using low graphics mode....' but then if i alt-ctrl-F8 theres a 2nd X going with the proper res. :) go figure | 11:51 |
| Dr_Willis | I think that was KDM and GDM both starting up | 11:51 |
| yofel | maybe plymouth broke the first X attempt on tty7 and x restarted on tty8? | 11:53 |
| Dr_Willis | actually.. ive removed plymouth :) | 11:54 |
| yofel | hm | 11:54 |
| Dr_Willis | and xsplash. | 11:54 |
| Dr_Willis | but i cant get the 'problem' to repeate. it does it sometimes.. but not others.. | 11:54 |
| zzz__ | yofel: No apologies necessary, I learned something, "avoid partial upgrades", but I've been trying to apply all upgrades as they become available in hopes that the firefox bug might be fixed, and just assumed that what had been previously fixed would remain so. Obviously not a rational assumption. Now that I've applied the partial upgrade should I continue to apply any new updates, but avoid... | 11:54 |
| zzz__ | ...any that say I need to apply a partial upgrade? | 11:54 |
| Dr_Willis | but i have been updateing every day. So it may be getting fixed/reappearing every other day | 11:54 |
| yofel | zzz__: if you want to learn more about partial upgrades: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1343434 | 11:56 |
| bullgard | gnome-power-manager causes my Lucid on AC power to suspend after 10 mins of inactivity although 'Preferences of Power Manager' > Display > is set to "Put display to sleep when inactive for:30 minutes." (The value 10 mins is set for "On Battery Power" though.) Is this a known bug? | 12:01 |
| bullgard | yofel: Partial upgrades using update-manager are generally a bad idea for a Ubuntu Beta distribution? Can you elaborate. | 12:06 |
| yofel | bullgard: see the forum thread I posted, there's a short and a long explenation there | 12:06 |
| mvo | yofel: I would be interessted to learn about cases when the partial upgrades a problematic, ideally a copy of the /var/lib/dpkg/status when it does bad decisions | 12:07 |
| yofel | mvo: I can't help you there as I a) use kde which uses kpackagekit and b) haven't used anything other than aptitude for months | 12:08 |
| mvo | :) | 12:08 |
| mvo | ok | 12:08 |
| mvo | fair enough | 12:08 |
| mvo | I heard about problems, but nothing specific so I'm curious to learn what exactly the problems are | 12:09 |
| Dr_Willis | Hmm.. i wonder if this http://www.ubuntu-manual.org will be included on the cd. | 12:11 |
| bullgard | yofel: I am sorry to say that the article you referenced is unnecessarily long-winded and not concise. | 12:17 |
| yofel | might be, but debian packaging internals aren't very user friendly if you want to understand them | 12:18 |
| yofel | in most cases it's that some packages of a source package are built and some aren't yet. If you then run a partial upgrade u-m *might* choose to remove the packages instead of waiting for the other packages to be built and keeping the older versions so long | 12:20 |
| bullgard | Yes. Thank you. | 12:21 |
| yofel | this is mostly caused by you using a non-i386 architecture and you're waiting for an architecture independent package (<pkg>-common usually) which are built on i386 build machines | 12:22 |
| yofel | the build machines have their own architecture dependent build queues which can be hours apart | 12:23 |
| yofel | for those that are curious, the build machine status is available here: https://launchpad.net/builders/ | 12:24 |
| zzz__ | yofel: I found the link quite informative. Thanks. | 12:25 |
| Dr_Willis | I wonder if this will be the year that ARM based machines get common. :) | 12:25 |
| Dr_Willis | or at least readly availiable | 12:25 |
| chandru_in | How do I make a system wide theme change in 10.04? | 12:29 |
| Dr_Willis | chandru_in: not very easially.. from what i explored over trhe last few days | 12:29 |
| Dr_Willis | Theres settings in several files. and those would only affect newly created users. | 12:29 |
| bullgard | Why does Lucid install by default Applications > Sound & Video > PulseAudio Device Chooser although PulseAudio developers classify this program as "deprecated"? | 12:30 |
| Pici | Er? Whats wrong with System>Preferences>Appearance? | 12:30 |
| Dr_Willis | remove the -- light-themes - Light Themes | 12:30 |
| Dr_Willis | is one way to get rid of most of it | 12:30 |
| chandru_in | If I remove them what will it default to? | 12:30 |
| Dr_Willis | chandru_in: it defaulted to some blueish one here. Plastik i think. tryit and see | 12:30 |
| chandru_in | Will it go back to the nice old human? | 12:30 |
| chandru_in | Ah clearlooks that doesn't look any better :D | 12:31 |
| Dr_Willis | I found it better then Human | 12:31 |
| Dr_Willis | of course none of ths will affect users that have their theme settings allready done. | 12:31 |
| chandru_in | To everyone his own :) | 12:31 |
| Dr_Willis | and it May or may not fix the 'left side' buttons either | 12:31 |
| chandru_in | That one can be fixed with gconf-editor | 12:32 |
| Dr_Willis | I did see a system file with the left side/right side settings | 12:32 |
| Dr_Willis | chandru_in: but what if you want to set it for all newly made users.. thas sort of what you were asking.. or did i miss the point? | 12:32 |
| Dr_Willis | system wide - all new users default settings. :) is my definition | 12:32 |
| chandru_in | That's yet to be looked into | 12:33 |
| chandru_in | But I'm sure it will be a single file change in global gconf settings unlike theming | 12:33 |
| Dr_Willis | i saw some config file si could change to set diffrent gnome defaults. | 12:33 |
| Dr_Willis | a newly made user, running gnome for the first time . gets several files from the system as their initial setup. | 12:33 |
| Dr_Willis | other progrms also get their initial settings from system files | 12:34 |
| Dr_Willis | I never was able to figure out how to remove the Ambiance Gnome-terminal default profile | 12:34 |
| chandru_in | dunno if it's too late but it would be nice if the old human theme would be retained as an option (even if not the default one) | 12:35 |
| Dr_Willis | chandru_in not sure that will happin. Its all still up in the air last i looked. | 12:35 |
| Dr_Willis | an issue with the 'left side' buttons is that the side they are on/settings is not really Theme specific. but a user/system setting. | 12:36 |
| Dr_Willis | /usr/share/themes/Ambiance/gtk-2.0/gtkrc | 12:36 |
| Dr_Willis | may be some settings in there. :) | 12:36 |
| chandru_in | :) | 12:36 |
| lodder | When I'm using lucid and freenx server I'm losing the titlebar of the window, and why when I do apt-get dist-upgrade wants to remove nautilus? | 12:36 |
| Dr_Willis | you Could copy all the files from 'Human' to 'Ambiance' | 12:36 |
| Dr_Willis | usr/share/themes/Ambiance/metacity-1/gconf-settings.sh | 12:37 |
| Dr_Willis | has some things ya can tweak also | 12:37 |
| jason__ | I lost my empathy icon on the top tool bar | 12:37 |
| Dr_Willis | of course at this tiem. any tweakc/changes you do, could be overdone in the next update | 12:37 |
| chandru_in | The worst part is ambiance not even compatible with the older layout of window buttons | 12:37 |
| Dr_Willis | chandru_in: BINGO! :) | 12:37 |
| Dr_Willis | its not even compatiable with itself in some ways. WIndows with just a close button for example. | 12:38 |
| Dr_Willis | or ones missing one or more buttons. | 12:38 |
| Dr_Willis | I imagine the blog-o-spher will be hot with the topic soon. | 12:39 |
| yofel | chandru_in: there's a ppa with fixed pngs for the old button order on the right https://edge.launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes | 12:39 |
| Dr_Willis | heh. Unofficial themes for fixing the official themes | 12:40 |
| yofel | yep | 12:40 |
| yofel | they should make the button order theme dependent | 12:40 |
| Dr_Willis | But eve those can have issues with windows with not all the buttons | 12:40 |
| Dr_Willis | theres lots of theme stuff they need to fix in gnome.. but i doubt if it ever happens | 12:40 |
| chandru_in | I personally like the nimbus theme from open-solaris | 12:40 |
| Dr_Willis | with Gnome-3 in the works. no one will worry about it | 12:40 |
| selimaky | i have a problem, i upgrade my Karmic to Lucid, and my firefox fonts are different than previous one. How do i fix my fonts? | 12:41 |
| Dr_Willis | #1 - try a new user. | 12:42 |
| Dr_Willis | ive noticed even on a new install the FF fonts are 'slightly' diffrent from the ones the gnome filemanager is using | 12:43 |
| Dr_Willis | they are slightly bolder it seems | 12:44 |
| chandru_in | also is there a way to change the widget theme used in the login screen? | 12:45 |
| Dr_Willis | chandru_in: not very easially - thers some gdm2 config tools that allow some changeing | 12:50 |
| chandru_in | :( | 12:50 |
| Dr_Willis | but not in the default repos - that ive noticed | 12:50 |
| chandru_in | Seems like Ubuntu has kinda crippled configurability of the login screen from 9.10 | 12:50 |
| Dr_Willis | Actually its not ubuntu.. its GNOME | 12:51 |
| Dr_Willis | if i recall. the gnome devs did it. | 12:51 |
| Dr_Willis | same with a lot of other little changes to gnome - People blame Ubuntu :) | 12:51 |
| Pici | Gnome has been making things 'simpler' for years now. | 12:52 |
| Dr_Willis | Notice the icons vanish from the System menu? or from some other locations? :) gnome devs did that also. I recall | 12:52 |
| chandru_in | Dr_Willis: They made it configurable yes | 12:52 |
| chandru_in | Pici: It is ok to simplify things as long as you don't make certain things impossible | 12:53 |
| Dr_Willis | the new gdm is not compatiavble with the old gdm and in fact its missing other more imporntant features as well. You Can use the old gdm if you wanted to | 12:53 |
| Dr_Willis | Themes in gdm2 vs the old - is one of the more minor problems from what ive heard | 12:53 |
| Dr_Willis | I forget what the other features were. they mainly affect network/business/large scale deployment | 12:54 |
| BUGabundo_remote | what do you guys use to monitor and restart dead services? | 13:02 |
| chandru_in | found a way to customize GDM. | 13:08 |
| chandru_in | gksudo -u gdm dbus-launch gnome-appearance-properties | 13:08 |
| chandru_in | Whatever you change there changes your GDM appearance :) | 13:08 |
| BUGabundo_remote | eheh | 13:09 |
| jason__ | I lost my empathy icon on the top tool bar from updates any ideas how to get it back? | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo_remote | jason__: you don't | 13:10 |
| chandru_in | jason__: Edit -> Preferences -> Notifications | 13:10 |
| BUGabundo_remote | its built in into the new applet | 13:10 |
| chandru_in | uncheck the last option "Show... messaging menu" | 13:11 |
| chandru_in | If you hate that messaging applet (like I do) just remove it :) | 13:11 |
| jason__ | edit preferences? | 13:11 |
| chandru_in | Yup in Empathy | 13:11 |
| chandru_in | Start empathy and then go to that menu | 13:11 |
| jason__ | ahh thats different | 13:12 |
| chandru_in | jason__: What? | 13:12 |
| jason__ | nothing | 13:15 |
| bjwebb | hmmm, why doesn't that messaging applet log in automatically | 13:16 |
| chandru_in | bjwebb: AFAIK it doesn't even start empathy automatically | 13:16 |
| bjwebb | okay | 13:16 |
| bjwebb | i see what's going on now | 13:17 |
| Apache_33 | hi i have installed lucid beta trying to open synaptic and i cant everytime i click synaptic it closes straight away anyone know why? | 13:24 |
| Apache_33 | the same problem i have with software center cant open it | 13:25 |
| red | Apache_33: tried updating from commandline? | 13:25 |
| red | run: "sudo aptitude update" and "sudo aptitude safe-upgrade" reboot and try again | 13:26 |
| Apache_33 | Bus error (core dumped) | 13:27 |
| red | hmm :| | 13:27 |
| bbordwell | Apache_33, in a terminal type "synaptic" and post any output | 13:28 |
| Apache_33 | Bus error (core dumped) | 13:28 |
| mvo | Apache_33: try "sudo apt-cache gencaches" on the commandline | 13:28 |
| Apache_33 | <mvo> sudo apt-cache gencaches Reading package lists...Bus error (core dumped) | 13:29 |
| benovic_ | i cant get nautilus to mount ssh or ftp folders - is this feature dropped in lucid? | 13:30 |
| Apache_33 | bbordwell> synaptic | 13:30 |
| Apache_33 | Bus error (core dumped) | 13:30 |
| mvo | Apache_33: does "sudo mv /var/cache/apt/*.bin /tmp" ; sudo apt-get update help? | 13:30 |
| Apache_33 | <mvo> sudo mv /var/cache/apt/*.bin /tmp | 13:32 |
| Apache_33 | mv: reading `/var/cache/apt/pkgcache.bin': Input/output error sudo apt-get update Bus error (core dumped). 0% | 13:32 |
| BUGabundo_remote | !info daemontools | 13:32 |
| ubottu | daemontools (source: daemontools): a collection of tools for managing UNIX services. In component universe, is optional. Version 1:0.76-3ubuntu2 (lucid), package size 64 kB, installed size 380 kB | 13:33 |
| mvo | Apache_33: oh, i/o error on move? that sounds like a problem with the filesystem, please boot and add "forcefsck" on the commandline (I think grub has a option for this now too in the grub boot menu, but I'm not 100% positive on this) | 13:35 |
| Apache_33 | <mvo> i think better i go back to karmic and wait few months more :) this is juts first issue second is that bata use 40% of my cpu dont know what the problem is maybe something with xorg or udev etc want to ask something i have fresh beta and there is installed with it udev is there anychance to go back to version 6.0 udev? and how to make it in the beggining synaptic was working so i checked udev in karmic i had the same issue with udev version 6.1 | 13:40 |
| Apache_33 | was using 40% of my cpu so i downgraded it and then i got 0 to max 3% of cpu how to downgrade udev? in lucid cos from synaptic its not possible | 13:40 |
| BUGabundo_remote | !info inittab | 13:40 |
| ubottu | Package inittab does not exist in lucid | 13:40 |
| xsacha | wooot! 10.04 catalyst: 33000 frames / 5 sec in glxgears(is-not-a-benchmark) | 13:46 |
| xsacha | on my sucky laptop | 13:47 |
| BluesKaj | Hiyas | 13:48 |
| BUGabundo_remote | hey BluesKaj | 13:50 |
| BUGabundo_remote | xsacha: add --fullscreen to it | 13:50 |
| xsacha | BUGabundo_remote, 3170 frames in 5.0 seconds = 633.974 FPS | 13:54 |
| xsacha | 1920x1200 | 13:55 |
| rweait | Are there known issues (or recently fixed issues) with mvsas in Lucid? | 13:55 |
| rweait | I've had "Kernel Panic - not synching Attempted to kill init | 13:56 |
| rweait | mvsas 00000:01:00.0 mvsas failed[-132]!" | 13:56 |
| rweait | each time, 8 - 10 hours into a data base operation. | 13:57 |
| rweait | SMART says no problems with the disk. | 13:57 |
| xsacha | BUGabundo_remote, is that ok? | 13:58 |
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| BluesKaj | hey BUGabundo_remote | 13:58 |
| BUGabundo_remote | xsacha: 600 FPS is very nice | 13:58 |
| xsacha | just my laptop via HDMI out to my u2410 | 13:59 |
| xsacha | i can play HoN in linux now :D | 13:59 |
| Bittarman | HoN? | 14:00 |
| kklimonda | Heroes of Newerth | 14:01 |
| xsacha | BUGabundo_remote, compiz is reporting 170 FPS on my lappy | 14:08 |
| BUGabundo_remote | that sucks | 14:08 |
| BUGabundo_remote | mine does 250 | 14:08 |
| BUGabundo_remote | and that's LOW | 14:08 |
| lanoxx | help, my cups wont start in karmic, and /etc/init.d/cups is missing | 14:09 |
| xsacha | BUGabundo_remote, nvidia? | 14:09 |
| xsacha | 250 fps in compiz on laptop? :O | 14:10 |
| BUGabundo_remote | yep | 14:11 |
| BUGabundo_remote | on compiz benchmar | 14:11 |
| BUGabundo_remote | super F121 | 14:11 |
| BUGabundo_remote | super F21 | 14:11 |
| BUGabundo_remote | super F12 | 14:11 |
| xsacha | BUGabundo_remote, what resolution.. cause 720x480 resolution gives me 500 FPS in compiz | 14:12 |
| BUGabundo_remote | 1280*800 | 14:12 |
| xsacha | oh ok.. yeah i was using 1920x1200 for 170 FPS | 14:13 |
| yofel | gah, apt-get source still doesn't work as it should... coreutils: lucid 7.4-2ubuntu2 testing 7.4-2 - apt-get source coreutils/testing gets 7.4-2ubuntu2 -.- | 14:14 |
| jmcantrell | using the encrypted private directories (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/EncryptedPrivateDirectory), does it get unlocked when you ssh instead of logging in directly? | 14:15 |
| kklimonda | jmcantrell: i haven't tried but it may | 14:16 |
| cdE|Woozy | jmcantrell: yes, it does | 14:16 |
| kklimonda | cdE|Woozy: does it unlock only when you log in using password? | 14:17 |
| jmcantrell | cdE|Woozy: really? how does that work? even if there is not an existing gnome session running? | 14:17 |
| jmcantrell | kklimonda, cdE|Woozy: yeah, i would be using pubkey auth. would it still work? | 14:17 |
| kklimonda | jmcantrell: encrypted directory isn't really done by gnome but ecryptfs and pam | 14:17 |
| cdE|Woozy | kklimonda, jmcantrell: it's a pam thing | 14:18 |
| cdE|Woozy | it needs your password to unwrap the ecryptfs passphrase | 14:18 |
| cdE|Woozy | so pubkey alone shouldn't be enough | 14:18 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo_remote: do you have access to the portuguese 7digital catalog or to the "rest of the EU" one? | 14:18 |
| jmcantrell | cdE|Woozy: that eliminates it as an option for me :-/ | 14:18 |
| BUGabundo_remote | !?"?!""?"?"??? | 14:18 |
| kklimonda | BUGabundo_remote: in the u1 music store ;) | 14:19 |
| * BUGabundo_remote plays dumb | 14:19 | |
| BUGabundo_remote | there's a music store? | 14:19 |
| jmcantrell | has anyone else not been able to get luks volumes to unlock/mount on boot? | 14:19 |
| xsacha | 320 FPS at 1280x800 for compiz. hmm atleast i can play HoN :) thats all i want | 14:21 |
| bullgard | My hard disk keeps spinning after booting for a very long time (10 mins). How can I determine the cause of it? | 14:22 |
| jmcantrell | it would be awesome if keychain worked with encryptfs | 14:22 |
| BUGabundo_remote | bullgard: $ sudo iotop | 14:23 |
| BUGabundo_remote | or $ sudo atop 5 , and press 'd' | 14:23 |
| xsacha | whats the one to measure power usage? | 14:23 |
| rweait | powertop | 14:23 |
| BUGabundo_remote | rweait: ????? | 14:23 |
| BUGabundo_remote | how will that help? | 14:24 |
| yofel | mvo: do you know how apt-get source is supposed to work? if I try to get the coreutils source with added debian repos I get the correct sources for coreutils/stable /karmic /lucid and /unstable. /testing fetches the lucid source though. (policy: http://paste.ubuntu.com/400002/) | 14:24 |
| xsacha | Top causes for wakeups: 77.3% (371.8) [fglrx[0]@PCI:1:0:0] <interrupt> | 14:24 |
| bullgard | BUGabundo_remote: '~$ sudo iotop; sudo: iotop: command not found.' | 14:25 |
| kklimonda | yofel: you can use pull-debian-source to download debian source packages - it's a part of ubuntu-dev-tools afair | 14:25 |
| xsacha | bullgard, yeah all the ones mentioned need to be installed | 14:25 |
| kklimonda | yofel: I'm not sure if you can specify pocket with apt-get source | 14:26 |
| mvo | yofel: you can give it exact version numbers, it will support /unstable /karmic etc only if it has a matching deb (not only a deb-src) line in sources.list | 14:26 |
| yofel | mvo: I have deb and deb-src in there, and apt-get source coreutils=7.4-2 fetches 7.4-2ubuntu2 too | 14:27 |
| bullgard | BUGabundo_remote: I installed the DEB program package 'iotop' and started it. The hard disk keeps spinning though. Why did you suggest this command? | 14:29 |
| yofel | kklimonda: pull-debian-source works, thx | 14:29 |
| maco | bullgard: because iotop tells you why its spinning | 14:30 |
| xsacha | wakeup from idle: 77 per second (30 from wireless card)... estimate usage: 18.0 Watts | 14:30 |
| maco | bullgard: top tells you about mem & cpu using processes. iotop tells you about io-using processes | 14:30 |
| bullgard | maco: No, it does not. What string should I look for in its output? | 14:30 |
| xsacha | bullgard, what's the program up the top? | 14:31 |
| xsacha | mine is xchat-gnome, 3.92KB/s | 14:31 |
| maco | bullgard: see the "command" column on the right? top process on there is doing the most io | 14:31 |
| bullgard | xsacha: init, followed by [kthreadd]. | 14:31 |
| jmcantrell | can anyone confirm that encryptfs will definitely not work with ssh and pubkey auth? | 14:31 |
| xsacha | bullgard, what is the number for DISK READ? | 14:31 |
| xsacha | or WRITE | 14:32 |
| bullgard | xsacha: 0.00 B/s | 14:32 |
| xsacha | are you sure the sound you hear is your hard drive spinning? | 14:32 |
| xsacha | it could be a fan | 14:32 |
| maco | jmcantrell: you mean if your full ~ is encrypted? | 14:32 |
| yofel | bullgard: iotop tells you about all running processes (use iotop -d 5 -o) to get only running processes in the last 5 seconds | 14:32 |
| jmcantrell | maco: no, just a ~/private or something similar | 14:33 |
| mvo | yofel: oh | 14:33 |
| maco | jmcantrell: you could, as root, place a .ssh/authorized_keys into the space where ~ will be mounted with ecryptfs | 14:33 |
| bullgard | xsacha: There is a LED incdicating that my disk is spinning. | 14:33 |
| mvo | yofel: hm, maybe its buggy then, I was sure this is fixed in lucid though :/ | 14:33 |
| xsacha | well apparently none of the programs listed in iotop are using your disk | 14:33 |
| maco | jmcantrell: oh... well then yeah sure it should work, as long as your ~/.ssh/authorized_keys isnt inside ~/Private | 14:33 |
| kklimonda | jmcantrell: it requires user's password to unlock so no | 14:33 |
| yofel | mvo: it was even more broken in lucid before, it now works mostly except for a few glitches like this one | 14:33 |
| maco | jmcantrell: and then you just manually mount the ~/Private | 14:33 |
| maco | jmcantrell: but if you put ~/.ssh/authorized_keys inside ~/Private and symlink it, then you wont be able to login | 14:34 |
| mvo | yofel: aha, ok. let me try if I can reproduce it | 14:34 |
| mvo | yofel: maybe a corner case that is not covered by the fix (the code is suprisingly complicated) | 14:34 |
| maco | mvo: guten tag :) | 14:35 |
| xsacha | it could be that HAL or whatever linux driver is responsible for disk LED is reporting false? | 14:35 |
| BUGabundo_remote | !info monit | 14:35 |
| ubottu | monit (source: monit): A utility for monitoring and managing daemons or similar programs. In component universe, is extra. Version 1:5.0.3-3 (lucid), package size 313 kB, installed size 792 kB | 14:35 |
| jmcantrell | maco, kklimonda: ok, so if authorized_keys is not in ~/Private, will it be unlocked/mounted when i login via ssh+pubkey? | 14:35 |
| yofel | mvo: my setup is the default + karmic pinned to 50 and debian stable, testing, unstable and experimental pinned to -1 | 14:35 |
| mvo | hey mac | 14:35 |
| maco | jmcantrell: no | 14:35 |
| mvo | o | 14:35 |
| maco | jmcantrell: if its not in private, you will be able to login | 14:35 |
| maco | jmcantrell: then you will need to manually mount your ~/Private | 14:35 |
| maco | jmcantrell: if you cd into ~/Private it will have a file giving you directions to do it | 14:35 |
| kklimonda | jmcantrell: no - the encrypted directory requires you to enter your password | 14:35 |
| mvo | yofel: could you mail me your sources.list please (just so that I can it easier) and the command you ran (just that I don't forget it :) please ? | 14:36 |
| BUGabundo_remote | yofel: the moment you say "pinned debian packages" your setup is NO LONGER default anything | 14:36 |
| maco | BUGabundo_remote: pinned -1 means debian packages wont get installed by default though | 14:36 |
| yofel | BUGabundo_remote: haha, true as well ^^ | 14:36 |
| bullgard | xsacha: I guess you are right. I managed to stop iotop. But the disk indicator LED still is on. | 14:36 |
| maco | BUGabundo_remote: so thats no different than going to packages.debian.org and grabbing a deb and dpkg -i | 14:37 |
| jmcantrell | that stinks | 14:37 |
| yofel | mvo: will do | 14:37 |
| xsacha | bullgard, does it sound like your drive is reading/writing? | 14:37 |
| mvo | thanks yofel | 14:37 |
| bullgard | xsacha: My hard disk is rather soft. How can I check that using a command that takes many I/O operations? | 14:40 |
| bullgard | xsacha: I used '~$ find / -iname ... ' but could not hear my hard disk spinning. | 14:41 |
| xsacha | bullgard, copy a file | 14:41 |
| BUGabundo_remote | maco: I know... but we don't officially support debian packages! :P | 14:45 |
| bullgard | xsacha: As I said, my hard disk is so soft that I cannot hear much. I copied a 100-MB file and only heard a soft clicking at the start and at the end of the copying process. | 14:45 |
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| xsacha | your hard drive probably isnt being accessed if iotop doesnt list any above 0.00 B | 14:46 |
| maco | BUGabundo_remote: yeah but if the debian package isnt the broken one and isnt an rdepends of the broken one... | 14:47 |
| bullgard | xsacha: Yes. | 14:47 |
| tgpraveen12 | hey guys now with the new light themes | 14:51 |
| tgpraveen12 | what is the color of the tooltips that u have? | 14:51 |
| tgpraveen12 | mine is black from past many dyas instead of purple which it initially was | 14:51 |
| Dr_Willis | im on kubuntu - so cant tell :) | 14:52 |
| Dr_Willis | I did notice the console on this nvidia-based box has a slight purple tinge | 14:52 |
| Dr_Willis | Purple = the new Brown | 14:52 |
| urbanape | is there a specific channel for ubuntu on apple hardware? Looking for some of the MacTel folks | 14:53 |
| tgpraveen12 | urbanape: there is a section in the forums for those users | 14:53 |
| xsacha | Dr_Willis, very purple here on gnome. i changed the colour to black but noticed the purple wasnt half-bad.. so then changed to a dark brown and it worked well with the transparency | 14:53 |
| tgpraveen12 | xsacha: so the tooltips are still purple for u? | 14:53 |
| tgpraveen12 | in default install? | 14:53 |
| urbanape | tgpraveen12, yeah, have been frequenting the forums. Just wondering about real-time support/commiseration | 14:54 |
| xsacha | tgpraveen12, tooltips? huh? they are normal | 14:54 |
| tgpraveen12 | xsacha: normal means purple background or black background? | 14:54 |
| flodine | can someone tell me why lucid continues to load after i start up and im doing nothing? | 14:54 |
| xsacha | for tooltips? black | 14:55 |
| Dr_Willis | flodine: its been common practice for ages. to have gdm/kdm start. while other services are still loading up in the background. | 14:55 |
| xsacha | i found some compromise for the wallpaper, i got a nice purple sky off kde-look | 14:55 |
| flodine | it takes about 10 min and then my hard drive stops | 14:55 |
| Dr_Willis | flodine: but i rarely notice much loading after gdm shows up | 14:55 |
| Dr_Willis | flodine: I dont see that here. Unless its some cron job updateing | 14:55 |
| bullgard | On my Lucid computer the column »SWAPIN« in the output of '~$ sudo iotop' shows all lines as "?unavailable?" and the column »IO>« is empty. On the bottom I find the message: "CONFIG_TASK_DELAY_ACCT not enabled in kernel, cannot determine SWAPIN and IO %." How can I fix this? | 14:56 |
| flodine | well ive been up for about 5 min and that dang drive is still working | 14:56 |
| yofel | bullgard: you can't, the kernel team decided that they won't enable that | 14:56 |
| Dr_Willis | flodine: run htop and see whats running | 14:57 |
| xsacha | bullgard, dont worry about it. those values arent important for you | 14:57 |
| bullgard | yofel: Ok. | 14:57 |
| yofel | but as xsacha sais, you don't need them | 14:57 |
| xsacha | is New Wave the default theme in beta 1? | 14:58 |
| switchgirl1 | how to get lucid to talk to my OSX mac? | 14:59 |
| Dr_Willis | switchgirl1: they both can do ssh/scp i belive. Perhaps NFS also.. and samba | 14:59 |
| * maco tempted to say the two computers need to make eye contact | 14:59 | |
| xsacha | infra-red transfer | 15:00 |
| Dr_Willis | xsacha: good luck wit that . :) ive no idea | 15:00 |
| bullgard | yofel: How can I stop the command iotop from running any longer? How to terminate it? | 15:01 |
| Dr_Willis | ive never even see ir done with anything. just a big 'feature' over the years that ive never seen actually used | 15:01 |
| Dr_Willis | bullgard: hit q | 15:01 |
| xsacha | it was common for phone transfer before bluetooth got popular | 15:02 |
| Dr_Willis | i dont recall ever having a cell phone with an IR port | 15:02 |
| Dr_Willis | my old fancy HP calculator did :) | 15:02 |
| Dr_Willis | you got an IR doo-dad for the Mac? | 15:02 |
| xsacha | i remember 5 years ago seeing two friends transfer via ir cause they didnt have bluetooth | 15:02 |
| xsacha | i have an old laptop next to me with an IR receiver on front | 15:03 |
| OerHeks | 2 cellphones 3 inch distance .. | 15:03 |
| Dr_Willis | xsacha: and the other pc has an ir port also? | 15:03 |
| xsacha | no.. but the monitor has an ir for remote control | 15:04 |
| Dr_Willis | xsacha: Hmm.. Not sure thats the same thing | 15:04 |
| r0n | i would like to help with the debugging of 10.04 what should i do i have programming experience but have no idea where to start | 15:04 |
| Dr_Willis | the mac monitor has a IR remote thing? or is the old laptop a mac? | 15:05 |
| xsacha | wrong person willis | 15:05 |
| Dr_Willis | guess it dont matter much then. :) | 15:06 |
| xsacha | switchgirl had the mac | 15:06 |
| Dr_Willis | heh | 15:06 |
| sudo-su | hello people | 15:06 |
| sudo-su | i want run my disc with ubuntu 9.10 in virtual box | 15:06 |
| Dr_Willis | r0n: you could help with --> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-manual-project-needs-you.html | 15:06 |
| Dr_Willis | sudo-su: so? virtualbox can boot cd's or mount/use iso files.. whats the issue? | 15:07 |
| sudo-su | Dr_Willis: look this -> | 15:07 |
| sudo-su | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcmLNy08iag | 15:07 |
| Dr_Willis | care to summarize ? | 15:08 |
| sudo-su | Run multiple operating systems from VirtualB REAL | 15:08 |
| Dr_Willis | sudo-su: You can run multi os's in viortualbox - yes... what of it? | 15:08 |
| r0n | Thanks Dr_Willis but I am more looking at helping with the technical side | 15:08 |
| sudo-su | have problem | 15:08 |
| sudo-su | a moment | 15:09 |
| sudo-su | is not accessible. Could not open the medium | 15:09 |
| bullgard | Lucid shows an applet "cdrom0 (not mounted)" and another one "floppy0 (not mounted)". This was not the case in Karmic. Is this normal? | 15:10 |
| Dr_Willis | sudo-su: you mean accessing a 'real' physical cd in the optical drive? | 15:10 |
| sudo-su | not | 15:10 |
| sudo-su | a real HDisc | 15:10 |
| Dr_Willis | sudo-su: Time to check teh virtualbox docs/manual. You can use the starting wizard, or menus/settings (a folder with a Up arrow) to add a iso file to the list of 'iso files' it can mount as a virtual cdrom | 15:11 |
| Dr_Willis | I boot ISO files all the time. Its just a little odd in cvbox how you have to 'add them' to the list of aviable iso files. | 15:11 |
| Dr_Willis | media source (in the wizard) -> folder with green arrow. add an iso file. it shows up then in the ones you can use | 15:12 |
| sudo-su | Dr_Willis: i know this :P | 15:12 |
| Dr_Willis | sudo-su: Its workign here for me with a test iso i just downloaded. | 15:12 |
| Dr_Willis | Tested with vbox ose - i just installed. and tinycorelinux 2.10 iso,. 10mb download | 15:13 |
| sudo-su | watch this video to understand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DcmLNy08iag | 15:13 |
| sudo-su | please | 15:13 |
| Dr_Willis | If you mean to say (not very clearly) you want to boot from a real PHYSICAL Hard Disk. Then thats also doable. but yu have to tweak the vbox configs. and you CAN trash the hard disk if you are not carefull. | 15:14 |
| xsacha | this wallpaper goes nicely with ubuntu's new purple theme: http://kde-look.org/CONTENT/content-files/119171-across%20the%20bay_sunset.jpg | 15:14 |
| sudo-su | Dr_Willis: resolved | 15:14 |
| Dr_Willis | I dont think theres a gui config to do that very unstable and not reccomended option. :) | 15:14 |
| sudo-su | i run virtualbox as root | 15:14 |
| Dr_Willis | Unless its changed recently | 15:14 |
| sudo-su | sudo VirtualBox | 15:15 |
| Dr_Willis | Hope you dont trrash your real HD. | 15:15 |
| sudo-su | haven't problem | 15:16 |
| sudo-su | this HD is of test only | 15:16 |
| sudo-su | :( | 15:16 |
| Dr_Willis | its best to put a virutal hd image on the drive if you need the space. | 15:16 |
| sudo-su | ubuntu 10.04 is unstable :S | 15:16 |
| Dr_Willis | Ive had no real issues with it. | 15:17 |
| sudo-su | Dr_Willis: i want manager my old sistem :P | 15:17 |
| Dr_Willis | and theres a reason its in TESTING right now | 15:17 |
| sudo-su | yeah, but i am..... | 15:17 |
| flodine | well im sitting in starbuck right now should i fear a crash and load win back | 15:19 |
| flodine | :-| | 15:19 |
| Dr_Willis | flodine: flip a coin ;) we cant advise - it depends on your needs | 15:20 |
| clusty | hey | 15:20 |
| clusty | i got a landscape invitation and followed the steps to activate it | 15:20 |
| clusty | however when i log in https://landscape.canonical.com it tells me i don;t have ladnscape account | 15:20 |
| clusty | clues? | 15:21 |
| Dr_Willis | No idea what landscape even is :) | 15:21 |
| Pici | clusty: A bunch of people mistakenly got this email, I think its best to ignore it at this time. | 15:21 |
| flodine | just kidding its running fine on this old T42p thinkpad | 15:21 |
| clusty | Pici: kinda makes sense since i did not remmeber when i applied for an account :D | 15:22 |
| OerHeks | Landscape, its web-based systems management tool for Ubuntu servers | 15:23 |
| bullgard | Lucid shows an applet "cdrom0 (not mounted)" and another one "floppy0 (not mounted)". This was not the case in Karmic. Is this normal? | 15:23 |
| Dr_Willis | bullgard: shows where? | 15:23 |
| bullgard | in the upper panel. | 15:24 |
| clusty | using puppet anyways to admin my clusters | 15:24 |
| clusty | was just curious what was the whole landscape all about D: | 15:24 |
| clusty | ...their loss :D | 15:24 |
| Dr_Willis | You are not Leet enough to use it. :) | 15:27 |
| Dr_Willis | LandScape is sort of an odd name for a project.. wonder what teh logic is of it. | 15:28 |
| clusty | corection: no loss for them, cause i would not conceive paying for an admin service | 15:28 |
| clusty | :D | 15:28 |
| Dr_Willis | Or does it sort of have a GardenCenter Motif | 15:28 |
| Dr_Willis | clusty: but if you knew it.. you could padd your resume! | 15:28 |
| clusty | i am not a sys admin mainly | 15:28 |
| clusty | i do that since I am most linux knowledgeble from the gang | 15:29 |
| clusty | and think is kinda fun D: | 15:29 |
| Dr_Willis | Is there a UbuntuOne client/tool for Kubuntu? I just now thought of that | 15:33 |
| mungojerry | dr_willis, it is planned as part of google summer of code i believe | 15:34 |
| Dr_Willis | well i ran the ubuntuone-preferences in a terminal on kubuntu :) dident see no icons anywhere.. | 15:34 |
| Dr_Willis | wow. UbuntuOne Muzak store is working.. well I think it is. I can see the tunes.. but i cant find any 'free (of cost)' ones to download to try out | 15:37 |
| tgpraveen12 | Dr_Willis: where u from? it depends on region | 15:38 |
| Dr_Willis | looking in us region I think. | 15:38 |
| Dr_Willis | since im in the US | 15:38 |
| Dr_Willis | One of these days the Music Ind. will realize its not 1900 any more :) | 15:38 |
| tgpraveen12 | Dr_Willis: not soon enuf | 15:39 |
| Dr_Willis | Hm. some of the buttons say 'click here to Pursach' others say 'click here to download' :) but both cost $$ | 15:39 |
| Dr_Willis | I dont plan on buying any music ever again.. for the rest of my life. :) so its a moot point to me really | 15:40 |
| JEEBsv | I mostly buy doujin music sold straight by the makers :3 | 15:40 |
| Dr_Willis | Hmm.. clicked add to cart.. but cant find a way to delete it from the cart now. | 15:40 |
| JEEBsv | 12eur for a CD isn't bad when you consider that the money goes straight to the people making the music | 15:41 |
| Dr_Willis | last music i bought I think was a Weird AL CD/DVD he released a few years back. | 15:41 |
| Dr_Willis | Connecting to Ubuntu One. Please wait... | 15:41 |
| Dr_Willis | wait and wait and wait.. :) | 15:42 |
| BGL-[e] | 10.04 went in easier than 9.10 on my netbook, been fairly pleased with it.. hope the full release keeps it up | 15:43 |
| quant | hi all, I have 10.04 b1, ati card, adobe flash plugin (proprietary) - the problem is that pages with flash are extremely slow, to the point of making system unusable - any ideas, pls? btw, athlon x2 and 2 GB RAM | 15:43 |
| Dr_Willis | Ive had issues when i mixxed in UNR and the Normal Ubuntu-desktop on the same netbook. | 15:43 |
| Dr_Willis | KDE/Kubuntu and the KDE netbook interface work a little better together. | 15:43 |
| BGL-[e] | 9.10 liked to thrash on my ssd with hsm violations | 15:44 |
| BGL-[e] | i ran 9.10 remix for a little while, not too bad | 15:44 |
| Dr_Willis | 9.10 had MAJOR issues with my USB drives constantly resetting.. not seen that yet in 10.04 either | 15:44 |
| BGL-[e] | wanted the full ui back though eventually | 15:44 |
| mfraz74 | i miss the message that used to appear when i hovered over the battery icon to say how much time i had left | 15:44 |
| Dr_Willis | My netbookis basically a Video Player :) | 15:44 |
| mfraz74 | now i have to click on the icon | 15:44 |
| BGL-[e] | i use mine for hulu a lot | 15:45 |
| quant | anyone, please? :) | 15:45 |
| yofel | the only issues I have here on my eeePC always tries to swap out the entire ram when waking up from suspend... any idea why it does that? | 15:45 |
| BGL-[e] | the battery icon in 10.04 is being flaky here too | 15:45 |
| Dr_Willis | Ive not had Hulu work very well for me. (even under windows) HuluDesktop Player also had major issues. | 15:45 |
| yofel | *ubuntu always tries... | 15:45 |
| BGL-[e] | never use suspend, not sure | 15:45 |
| Dr_Willis | Id pause to go get a snack.. come back.. and tghe player would be crashed. | 15:45 |
| BGL-[e] | i tried the player once back a while ago, didn't work out to well | 15:46 |
| BGL-[e] | ran worse than in ff | 15:46 |
| mfraz74 | i don't think it has been flaky, it's just that i have to click on the icon now where i used to just hover over it | 15:47 |
| BGL-[e] | quant: try a diff browser | 15:47 |
| BGL-[e] | like chrome maybe | 15:47 |
| Dr_Willis | Firefox/flash really annoys me - beause i use 2 moniotors. i want the video full screen on Monitor #2. but noooooo flash unfullscreens if i click on the other monitor/desktop | 15:47 |
| BGL-[e] | mine is not reading the battery correctly, and sometimes just disappears | 15:47 |
| BGL-[e] | but the battery is probly about half a dud anyways | 15:47 |
| Dr_Willis | wifes laptop battery is totally dead. | 15:48 |
| bullgard | yofel: How can I terminate (=stop running) the command '~$ sudo iotop'? Pressing the 'q' key does not quit it. | 15:48 |
| BGL-[e] | dr: oh yeah that is annoying | 15:48 |
| BGL-[e] | i can never get anything to run ontop of it either, when its in full screen | 15:48 |
| yofel | bullgard: it does here, try strg+c maybe | 15:48 |
| Dr_Willis | Hulu advertisements are like always at the WRONG/Worse time also. :) | 15:49 |
| Dr_Willis | and they always seemed tobe like for the same 3 things.. | 15:49 |
| bullgard | yofel: Ctrl+C does not stop ist either. | 15:49 |
| Dr_Willis | but at least they did make a Player that works in linux | 15:49 |
| BGL-[e] | yeah nothing like watching the same advertisement all night | 15:49 |
| BGL-[e] | i should try the player again | 15:49 |
| Dr_Willis | BGL-[e]: great when they totally miss the target audiance also. :) | 15:49 |
| yofel | bullgard: 'sudo killall iotop' ? | 15:49 |
| mfraz74 | would be nice if hulu worked in the UK | 15:50 |
| Dr_Willis | car Comercials in Children shows.. . | 15:50 |
| Dr_Willis | Beer Comercials.. during Spongebob. :) | 15:50 |
| Pici | !ot | 15:51 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu. Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support. Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic. | 15:51 |
| Dr_Willis | So has the UbuntuOneMuszk store worked for anyone yet? | 15:51 |
| Dr_Willis | It just crashed on me | 15:51 |
| skyjumper | anyone seeing weird behavior from gnome-screensaver? | 15:52 |
| mfraz74 | i've managed to play a sample of a song, haven't bought anything yet | 15:52 |
| mfraz74 | skyjumper: like it not showing a screensaver? | 15:52 |
| Dr_Willis | i cant even find a free sample yet. :) | 15:52 |
| bullgard | yofel: I noticed that network-manager requested an input. As long as I did not satisfy this input, I could not stop iotop. When I satisfied network-manager, I could terminate iotop by pressing 'q'. Is this normal Ubuntu behaviour? | 15:52 |
| skyjumper | mfraz74: kind of the opposite... it shows them while mplayer is playing full screen, and when i press a key, it disappears and reappears | 15:53 |
| skyjumper | also is stuck on "random" when i have "blank screen" selected | 15:53 |
| mfraz74 | i just seem to get a black screen and no screen saver. works if i click on the try icon | 15:53 |
| yofel | bullgard: no idea, I don't remeber it being like that when I used gnome and it's not like that in KDE, but I'm not sure how gnome works these days | 15:53 |
| bullgard | yofel: Thank you for commenting. | 15:54 |
| BoondoKLife | bullgard: I am using Gnome. what are you trying to do and ill tell ya what my system does | 15:54 |
| BoondoKLife | bullgard: PM me if you want | 15:55 |
| BGL-[e] | 10.04 bout saved me from buying another netbook cuz 9.10 was giving me such problems & windows was just not an option | 15:57 |
| bullgard | BoondoKLife: As long as network-manager requests a personal input of mine, I cannot terminate iotop using 'q' or Ctrl+C. I wonder if this is normal Ubuntu behaviour. | 15:57 |
| Dr_Willis | ive heard theres a few issues with some of the newest netbooks out. but I cant recall the specific brands | 15:58 |
| BoondoKLife | bullgard: Was the nm request related to anything you had running in the terminal, maybe in the background? | 15:58 |
| bullgard | BoondoKLife: No. nm requested a key in order to bring up Wireless LAN. | 15:59 |
| bullgard | thei input of a key | 15:59 |
| BoondoKLife | bullgard: like a wifi key? or the unlock keyring prompt | 16:00 |
| bullgard | BoondoKLife: I do not remember exactly. I believe the input of my WLAN key. | 16:00 |
| BoondoKLife | bullgard: just tried to connect to a random AP and it asked for the key, I had iotop running before had and was able to 'q' it, tried to start it while it was open and then the 'q' still worked. So def not a gnome issue. | 16:01 |
| BoondoKLife | bullgard: I have had focus issues sometimes but that is when using gnome-do to launch chats and calls. | 16:02 |
| BoondoKLife | bullgard: It would open a window and then I still had to click it to give it focus, maybe the command just did not have proper focus, i dunno. | 16:02 |
| bullgard | BoondoKLife: Thank you for your help. | 16:04 |
| BoondoKLife | bullgard: no worries | 16:05 |
| Nagato-Pain | hello) | 16:08 |
| cousteau | I know this sounds like a noob comment, but... I can't install any game!! | 16:09 |
| bullgard | BoondoKLife: Does your Lucid show in the upper panel an applet "cdrom (not mounted)" and another applet "floppy0 (not mounted)"? (My computer did not show them in Karmic.) | 16:10 |
| cousteau | there seems to be a problem with several packages in repositories, such as: torcs-data, supertux-data, extremetuxracer-data, frozenbubble-data... | 16:10 |
| BoondoKLife | bullgard: On the main gnome bar? Mine does not but is that a particular applet that I need to have loaded. | 16:11 |
| cousteau | (frozen-bubble-data, sorry, with an extra hyphen) | 16:11 |
| cousteau | all those packages alert about a wrong hash sum | 16:12 |
| bullgard | BoondoKLife: Yes, on the upper panel (which you may call a "main GNOME bar". | 16:12 |
| bullgard | BoondoKLife: I did not load any particular applet. They simply show up now. | 16:13 |
| cousteau | maybe I can just skip the hash check... I'm on a wifi, I'll try to install them at home, maybe it's a download problem | 16:13 |
| DarkTao | hi all | 16:14 |
| DarkTao | any broken updates today? | 16:14 |
| BUGabundo_remote | nope | 16:14 |
| BUGabundo_remote | why do you ask? | 16:14 |
| DarkTao | I remember what happened when I updated a few days ago and it nuked my gnome-panels ;) | 16:14 |
| BoondoKLife | bullgard: Nope nothing on mine to that effect, tried to load the mounting applet and still nothing | 16:15 |
| cousteau | DarkTao: I'm getting some errors with hash sums when installing some packages, did you mean something like that? | 16:15 |
| DarkTao | na it caused an error which prevented panels from appearing, so had no desktop etc | 16:16 |
| bullgard | BoondoKLife: Thank you for your information. | 16:16 |
| === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever | ||
| Nagato-Pain | has anybody ATI Technologies Inc Manhattan HDMI Audio [Mobility Radeon HD 5000 Series]? | 16:17 |
| DarkTao | well I rebooted ok :) | 16:21 |
| DarkTao | anyone noticed USB pendrives aren't auto-mounting in Lucid? | 16:22 |
| setuid | Is there a way to stop Lucid from showing ^C in the shell when I type that combo? | 16:22 |
| Strife89 | I just booted Ubuntu 10.04 beta 1 in Sun Virtualbox 3.1.4. I cannot move the mouse cursor. May I ask for suggestions on what to do? | 16:22 |
| setuid | http://code.gnu-designs.com/setuid/ctrl-c-flub.png | 16:23 |
| setuid | Looks like that | 16:23 |
| mfraz74 | darktao: isn't there an option in nautilus? | 16:23 |
| DarkTao | mfraz74, yeah its set to automount on the desktop, the USB device is mounted, but doesnt appear on the desktop until you click on it from Places | 16:24 |
| mfraz74 | have noticed that i can no longer view the sd card in my o2 mobile broadband stick | 16:24 |
| === yofel_ is now known as yofel | ||
| abhinav | DarkTao: DarkTao same with karmic, I see ? | 16:25 |
| DarkTao | abhinav, nope, USB device appears on desktop from boot | 16:25 |
| DarkTao | in Karmic that is | 16:25 |
| Strife89 | That's strange. Restarting the VM cured the problem. | 16:25 |
| vish | cheese working for anyone after the recent post beta updates? | 16:28 |
| vish | or even webcam input | 16:28 |
| abhinav | DarkTao: for me it doesn't - only when I click places. It asks for a password and only then it appears on the desktop. Must be some config I have | 16:29 |
| DarkTao | abhinav, ok, maybe I'm going mad then LOL | 16:29 |
| mfraz74 | vish: seems to be working here | 16:31 |
| vish | :s | 16:31 |
| mfraz74 | at least I can see myself on the screen | 16:32 |
| flodine | will this lucid ever not look like mac osx | 16:33 |
| abhinav | flodine: try mac4lin and related themes :) | 16:33 |
| flodine | i dont want this mac look i like the color but im on this old computer and my desktop looks like the guy sitting next to me running osx | 16:34 |
| flodine | lol | 16:34 |
| abhinav | flodine: missed "NOT" :) | 16:35 |
| rye | qemu: could not load PC BIOS 'bios.bin' - anybody experiencing this with libvirt now? | 16:39 |
| rye | bullgard, re- password input - that's focus stealing prevention | 16:42 |
| rye | bullgard, the q's you have been entering most likely went to the password field | 16:43 |
| Hans_Henrik | funny thing: firefox wont start up unless i run it from root/sudo, ideas why? :p | 16:44 |
| bullgard | rye: I have never heard the terminus technicus "focus stealing prevention" before. | 16:44 |
| flodine | so synaptic is dead wont start up | 16:44 |
| rye | Hans_Henrik, check that your .mozilla/* files are really owned by you | 16:44 |
| bullgard | rye: I will try to confirm your assumption that the q's are diverted to the network manager input field the next time I encounter both open programs. -- Thank you. | 16:47 |
| Hans_Henrik | the "connection manager" thing on top right in my corner is gone, any idea how i can get it back? | 16:48 |
| Hans_Henrik | (or network manager or what the app name was) | 16:49 |
| bullgard | Hans_Henrik: You could deinstall it completely and re-install it. | 16:50 |
| Hans_Henrik | bullgard: know the package-name? | 16:51 |
| ZykoticK9 | Hans_Henrik, my networking icon in panel is also missing (didn't even notice until you asked about it) - i know it had been there, and I didn't remove to | 16:51 |
| hechu | Hans_Henrik, I guess you can add a "nm-applet --sm-disable" in your startup session. or check if it is starup automatically when you login your gnome. | 16:51 |
| Hans_Henrik | ZykoticK9: oh well good its just not me (i really couldn't remember that i had removed it :p) | 16:52 |
| hechu | Hans_Henrik, I guess the package's name is related with "nm-applet", means "Network Manager" applet. | 16:53 |
| Hans_Henrik | hechu: the process nm-applet was running in the background and i hadn't manually started it, so im quite sure it starts automatically when i log in | 16:54 |
| ZykoticK9 | Hans_Henrik, sorry my bad, it is there - just moved over to the left, just needed to open my eyes a little wider ;) | 16:55 |
| hechu | Hans_Henrik, I manually "killall nm-applet" and the network icon disappeared immediatelly. and I run it in console manually, it appear again. | 16:58 |
| Hans_Henrik | ZykoticK9: well it isn't left or right for me, btw the command to start it is "nm-applet"? | 16:58 |
| hechu | Hans_Henrik, the icon appears in "Inform Zone", did you added "Inform Zone" on your gnome-panel? | 16:58 |
| hechu | Hans_Henrik, the command is "nm-applet --sm-disable". | 16:59 |
| Hans_Henrik | hechu: not sure, but how do i add it? | 17:05 |
| === Nagato-Pain is now known as Aidar-Nagato | ||
| hechu | Hans_Henrik, right click a space area on your gnome-panel, it pops up a menu, and choose "add to panel", and a dialog will shows, list many component that you can add to your gnome-panel. | 17:07 |
| hechu | Hans_Henrik, sorry my poor English, hope you can understand. | 17:08 |
| Hans_Henrik | hechu: @english not a problem @add-to-panel, but "inform zone" or "nm-applet" or "nm*" or "network*" is not among the options :p | 17:09 |
| hechu | Hans_Henrik, then choose "Inform Zone"(I am not so sure its English name), add it. | 17:09 |
| ZykoticK9 | Hans_Henrik, i think hechu is referring to "indicator applet" | 17:10 |
| BGL-[e] | well that didn't last long | 17:10 |
| BGL-[e] | i've got HSM violations thrashing away at the SSD again | 17:10 |
| BGL-[e] | ugh | 17:10 |
| BGL-[e] | won't even start up now | 17:10 |
| hechu | Hans_Henrik, Zykotic-K9: ah maybe. | 17:11 |
| Hans_Henrik | well when i add indicator applet and indicator applet session, and killall nm-applet;nm-applet --sm-disable it doesnt show up anywhere | 17:13 |
| Q-FUNK | Howdy! I'm trying to figure out what cases gnome-screensaver to make the login dialog appear twice after returning from a locked session. would anybody know? | 17:13 |
| Hans_Henrik | Q-FUNK: idk why but happens to me too | 17:14 |
| Q-FUNK | Hans_Henrik: that issue seems to come and go. it happened for a while during karmic, but then changing some gconf key solved it. now, it's back and I'm wondering why. | 17:15 |
| diconico07 | Hi, I'm trying to install the nvidia video drivers on lucid, but that don't work (he can't load the module), is there a way to install these drivers (I install them via the .run file, cause I don't have 3d support with the depository's version) and having 3d support ? | 17:22 |
| MTecknology | Any of you experience any issues with internet dying or getting extremely slow in 10.04? | 17:22 |
| Pici | diconico07: I believe that the release notes mention this, you may want to take a look at them. | 17:23 |
| diconico07 | the release notes of lucid beta ? | 17:24 |
| Zykotic-K9 | diconico07, if you used the nvidia installer, to quote someone who knows a lot more about nvidia then I do "all bets are off" - i don't think the nvidia installer is 10.04 compatible, and using the installer "might" have forever changed your system. Best of luck though. | 17:24 |
| Hans_Henrik | MTecknology: ipv6 problem maybe? | 17:24 |
| MTecknology | Hans_Henrik: never thought of that - it was working for a while, I suppose I could kill that - thanks | 17:25 |
| Hans_Henrik | MTecknology: (many have reported "noticably faster internet after disabling ipv6") | 17:25 |
| Zykotic-K9 | diconico07, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1 see the Known Issues section | 17:25 |
| MTecknology | I can't chroot into 10.04 from 9.10 :( | 17:25 |
| MTecknology | ah the price of progress | 17:26 |
| MTecknology | chroot: cannot run command `/bin/bash': Exec format error | 17:27 |
| MTecknology | I don't think I've ever seen that before | 17:28 |
| yofel | MTecknology: you're using a 32-bit 9.10 and try to access a 64bit 10.04 | 17:28 |
| jpds | MTecknology: You're on 32bit, trying to get 64bit. | 17:28 |
| yofel | that won't work | 17:28 |
| MTecknology | doh... thanks for the brain slap | 17:28 |
| diconico07 | thanks Zykotic-K9, i would completly read the releases notes the next time I want to install a beta version | 17:29 |
| Zykotic-K9 | diconico07, always a good idea | 17:29 |
| Hans_Henrik | btw does the beta1 have wubi-support? | 17:29 |
| jpds | Hans_Henrik: There's a http://no.releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/wubi.exe | 17:30 |
| MTecknology | This isn't +1 related but.. why does firefox have to default to browser.backspace_action=0 instead of 1 or 2? | 17:30 |
| MTecknology | =2 instead of =0* | 17:30 |
| hechu | Hans_Henrik, are you there? it is not "Inform Zone", it is " Notification Area" in English. sorry. | 17:37 |
| jpds | MTecknology: bug #417757 | 17:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 417757 in eglibc "[karmic regression] all network apps / browsers suffer from multi-second delays by default due to IPv6 DNS lookups" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417757 | 17:38 |
| jpds | hechu: He left. | 17:39 |
| hechu | jpds, yes, thank you. | 17:39 |
| killown | i'll got some improviment upgrading karmic to lucid? | 17:39 |
| scott_ino2 | hello, was wondering if anyone had a download to lucid desktop as the links seem to be down | 17:47 |
| yofel | scott_ino2: you could try to download from a mirror or try a daily image | 17:47 |
| MTecknology | jpds: fun :D | 17:47 |
| ZykoticK9 | scott_ino2, beta1 download link is working here | 17:48 |
| BluesKaj | scott_ino2, there are several desktops available for lucid | 17:48 |
| rye | anybody here running qemu/kvm under libvirt in Lucid ? | 17:48 |
| ZykoticK9 | scott_ino2, you could try the daily link http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ | 17:49 |
| scott_ino2 | BluesKaj, I meant just desktop version, not netbook, or LTS | 17:49 |
| scott_ino2 | ty ZykoticK9 | 17:49 |
| BluesKaj | scott_ino2, gnome , xfce, or kde desktop ? | 17:50 |
| scott_ino2 | BluesKaj, ha gnome sorry.... been so long since ive used anything else sometimes I forget ;) | 17:50 |
| scott_ino2 | but i seem to have got it thanks | 17:50 |
| ZykoticK9 | rye, did you see the link about PC-BIOS and qemu and using the "-L" switch with qemu? I was going to send the link, but saw you where using libvirt do didn't think it would apply | 17:51 |
| rye | ZykoticK9, I am all ears :) | 17:51 |
| ZykoticK9 | rye, the first link i saw http://qemu-forum.ipi.fi/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=4036 you might also want to check out bug #418033 | 17:53 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 418033 in qemu-kvm "qemu: could not load PC BIOS 'bios.bin'" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/418033 | 17:53 |
| rye | ZykoticK9, I am just wondering what broke, libvirt or qemu? It looks like libvirt does not pass anything, so probably qemu became broken today | 17:53 |
| ZykoticK9 | rye, i'm a VBox guy myself, haven't played with qemu/kvm/libvirt in a long time. Good luck man. | 17:54 |
| rye | ZykoticK9, thanks! | 17:54 |
| BGL-[e] | can anyone help me with this? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libatasmart/+bug/445852?comments=all | 17:55 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 445852 in libatasmart "devkit-disks-probe-ata-smart causes HSM Violations on SSD, and potential hardware death" [Unknown,Confirmed] | 17:55 |
| BGL-[e] | i've been dealing with it since 9.10, and it still exists in 10.04 | 17:55 |
| BGL-[e] | and my netbook just took another dive as a result of it | 17:55 |
| rye | hm ... /usr/share/qemu-kvm is a symlink to /usr/share/qemu | 17:56 |
| BGL-[e] | i'm pondering doing like the 8th install heh but applying post 163 & 147 right after the install is finished | 17:56 |
| BGL-[e] | err 161, my brain is mush from this | 17:57 |
| scott_ino2 | BGL-[e], your best bet is probably staying with the bug itself ;) since most don't have SSD in here | 17:58 |
| scott_ino2 | at least i took a look ;) | 17:58 |
| BGL-[e] | staying? | 17:59 |
| scott_ino2 | as in.... in launchpad, people subscriped to that bug | 17:59 |
| jemark | is the new kernel good? | 17:59 |
| BGL-[e] | i'm subscribed, been commenting.. waiting.. | 18:00 |
| BGL-[e] | it's been going on since 09 | 18:01 |
| BGL-[e] | and my 10.04 just took an hsm violations dive | 18:01 |
| BGL-[e] | no fix.. | 18:01 |
| EdgEy | Hello, I've recently installed 10.04 beta x64 and I'm having a problem with flash support | 18:06 |
| EdgEy | Most of the time it works fine but occasionally the controls don't work, like I can't click play buttons on youtube for example | 18:06 |
| scott_ino2 | BGL-[e], yes, unfortunately things sometimes go that way... take a while | 18:07 |
| ZykoticK9 | EdgEy, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/clicking-in-flash-not-working | 18:07 |
| MTecknology | jpds: alrighty, so ipv6 isn't my problem... I'm not sure what is.. ipv6 disabled things are the same; I'm not sure if it's just something with my system of 10.04, 9.10 live cd worked great | 18:07 |
| EdgEy | ZykoticK9, ah thanks, seems to be working for now :) | 18:09 |
| luckyone | hello all - I just updated to latest packages on my unr install and now I can't boot. Is there a page that will walk me through fixing this by booting into live cd? | 18:10 |
| luckyone | this is scary | 18:12 |
| ZykoticK9 | luckyone, what error message are you getting? have you tried holding shift before grub and choosing an older kernel? if you're getting a grub error you may want to see the !grub2 factoid for help using the LiveCD to reinstall Grub (i'll PM it too you) | 18:13 |
| ZykoticK9 | !grub2 > luckyone | 18:13 |
| ubottu | luckyone, please see my private message | 18:13 |
| cousteau | I'm having trouble with several packages, specially games. Says something about a hash sum mismatch. Is somebody else having these problems with other packages? Could this be due to a bug while checking the hash sum, and not the packages themselves? | 18:13 |
| luckyone | ZykoticK9: I don't even get grub | 18:13 |
| cousteau | I get the error with the -data package | 18:14 |
| ZykoticK9 | cousteau, what game? | 18:14 |
| luckyone | ZykoticK9: shift did it - you're a saint | 18:14 |
| ZykoticK9 | luckyone, nice :) | 18:15 |
| luckyone | good to know about grub | 18:15 |
| cousteau | ZykoticK9: extremetuxracer, frozen-bubble, supertux | 18:15 |
| ZykoticK9 | cousteau, all those have sum mistmatch? | 18:15 |
| cousteau | ZykoticK9: yes, when apt tries to install the *-data package | 18:16 |
| ZykoticK9 | cousteau, i'm installing frozen bubble right now to test | 18:16 |
| ActionParsnip | Yo yo yo | 18:17 |
| ZykoticK9 | cousteau, try running "md5sum /var/cache/apt/archives/frozen-bubble-data_2.2.0-1ubuntu1_all.deb" and paste the sum you get and we'll compare | 18:17 |
| cousteau | ZykoticK9: wait, I'm installing it again, I have cleaned the cache to see if it worked | 18:19 |
| cousteau | (and it didn't) | 18:19 |
| ZykoticK9 | cousteau, it worked fine here (for FB at least), perhaps you just have a bad internet connection? | 18:20 |
| cousteau | ZykoticK9: maybe, I'm on a wifi... but someone confirmed it this morning with extremetuxracer | 18:21 |
| cousteau | ok, let's do it the hard way: gonna download the .deb and install it manually | 18:22 |
| ZykoticK9 | cousteau, installing Extremetuxracer now | 18:22 |
| yofel | cousteau: that was me | 18:23 |
| yofel | but | 18:23 |
| yofel | the first attempt to install it failed, then I deleted the -data .deb, fetched it again and then it installed | 18:24 |
| patdk-wk | is mobile ipv6 going be supported in the lucid kernel? | 18:24 |
| ZykoticK9 | cousteau, ExtremeTux worked as well for me | 18:24 |
| * MTecknology considers upgrading a server to 10.04 | 18:25 | |
| patdk-wk | something other than: # CONFIG_IPV6_MIP6 is not set | 18:26 |
| yofel | MTecknology: have fun, we had reports once that ssh stopped working after upgrade, on my server here it works fine (at least apache, openssh, samba and nfs) | 18:27 |
| MTecknology | yofel: I only have openssh, php-cgi, and nginx running on it | 18:28 |
| sulle | >annyone here know how i can set down my mouse sensitivity?, i have done that in the settings for the mouse. But it is still not enough. please help. | 18:28 |
| vano | Hey guys, is the beta stable enough to use it as a day-to-day basis? ubuntu 9.10 is unusable for me because of the gnome-panel issue. | 18:29 |
| ZykoticK9 | !crosspost > sulle | 18:29 |
| ubottu | sulle, please see my private message | 18:29 |
| yofel | vano: it works fine mostly, but there are bugs from time to time, so you shouldn't rely on it working | 18:29 |
| cousteau | aaahh... | 18:30 |
| cousteau | yofel: what were you saying before my connection died? | 18:30 |
| ActionParsnip | Vano: works fine here but my hardware is 100% linux friendly and I don't use crappy compiz | 18:30 |
| yofel | cousteau: the first attempt to install it failed, then I deleted the -data .deb, fetched it again and then it installed | 18:30 |
| * yofel uses KDE and it works fine | 18:31 | |
| cousteau | yofel: no idea, I tried several times cleaning the apt archive cache, and it still doesn't work | 18:31 |
| ActionParsnip | Yofel: where did you get the deb? | 18:32 |
| yofel | ActionParsnip: fetched by apt from german mirror | 18:32 |
| === FFForever is now known as FFForever-Away | ||
| ActionParsnip | Yofel: maybe the deb on the server you used first time was bad | 18:34 |
| yofel | ActionParsnip: same server, bad download maybe, but I confused too | 18:34 |
| ActionParsnip | Yofel; +1 | 18:35 |
| patdk-wk | maybe it wasn't down downloading that file itself | 18:35 |
| patdk-wk | but it should be using two step sync, so that doesn't happen | 18:35 |
| ActionParsnip | Damn Pennines | 18:38 |
| red | wheres gwibbers executable file? | 18:40 |
| red | wanna add it to startup automaticly but it's not under /bin | 18:40 |
| red | ah usr/bin | 18:40 |
| red | nvm | 18:40 |
| Pici | which gwibber | 18:41 |
| rye | kvm users, you are now the victim of bug #545004 | 18:41 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 545004 in qemu-kvm "kvm VMs don't start: qemu: could not load PC BIOS 'bios.bin'" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545004 | 18:41 |
| red | theres more than 1? :p | 18:41 |
| Pici | red: The command is 'which gwibber' | 18:41 |
| ActionParsnip | Red: run: which gwibber | 18:42 |
| red | oh :D | 18:42 |
| red | well i found a file named gwibber in usr/bin and added that to startup | 18:42 |
| red | its wrong? | 18:42 |
| red | wonder how I could create a new digg account and merge it with my old | 18:44 |
| red | no idea how to add digg into gwibber when I always logged in via facebook connect | 18:44 |
| ActionParsnip | Red: the which command will tell you | 18:44 |
| red | oh it works like that | 18:45 |
| * red facepalm | 18:45 | |
| ActionParsnip | Red: which is dead handy | 18:49 |
| ActionParsnip | Red: e.g. ln -s `which firefox` $HOME/Desktop/Firefox ,for example | 18:50 |
| shadeslayer | hey anyone here who cannot start X after the latest updates and has the nvidia binary driver installed? | 18:50 |
| shadeslayer | theres a missing dep on the new kernel i think.... it doesnt pull in the headers which causes the installation of the nvidia driver to fail | 18:51 |
| === ProjectxSorrow is now known as damagepizzadamag | ||
| ActionParsnip | Shadeslayer: runs well here: tried: sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg | 18:51 |
| shadeslayer | ActionParsnip: did you reboot to the new kernel? | 18:51 |
| shadeslayer | 2.6.32-17 | 18:52 |
| === damagepizzadamag is now known as ProjectXSorrow | ||
| ActionParsnip | Shadeslayer: I'm on 32-16 generix 64bit | 18:53 |
| shadeslayer | ActionParsnip: ah.. ok do this,change to the main server,update and upgrade... | 18:53 |
| ActionParsnip | Shadeslayer: I'm outtatown right now so will be updating in about 4 days | 18:53 |
| shadeslayer | ActionParsnip: :P | 18:53 |
| shadeslayer | oh well.. in case any ops are noticing this,i think there should be a notice in the topic about this | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | the fix is that install the headers seprately and run a dpkg-reconfigure on nvidia-current | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | brb... | 18:54 |
| ActionParsnip | Shadeslayer: log a bug | 18:55 |
| ZykoticK9 | ActionParsnip, i didn't experience shadeslayer's issue with 32-17 update today? | 18:56 |
| Pici | Er, Which nvidia binary? | 18:56 |
| ZykoticK9 | Pici, me? nvidia-current | 18:57 |
| Pici | ZykoticK9: I mean shadeslayer, but hes gone now. | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer | yep... that fixed it | 18:57 |
| Pici | shadeslayer: Which nvidia binary? | 18:57 |
| shadeslayer | Pici: the one from the nvidia ppa | 18:58 |
| shadeslayer | Pici: the problem is with the dkms modules... | 18:58 |
| Pici | shadeslayer: So the one from the regular repositories is working? | 18:58 |
| shadeslayer | Pici: havent tried that out | 18:58 |
| shadeslayer | Pici: i dont think any nvidia binary will work until the kernel headers get pulled in and the whole nvidia driver is recompiled | 18:59 |
| shadeslayer | Pici: ok just in case someone with a similar problem comes in you now know the fix :P | 19:01 |
| shadeslayer | and if the problem keeps on increasing then its a bug and a problem :P | 19:02 |
| shadeslayer | anyways ive gtg... Gnight everyone | 19:03 |
| lucian_ | why is the address bar in nautilus stuck in icon mode and is there a way i can change it back to typing the address manually? | 19:19 |
| ZykoticK9 | lucian_, ctrl+L or just type a / | 19:20 |
| lucian_ | ZykoticK9: thanks | 19:20 |
| ZykoticK9 | lucian_, it was a design decision - there is also a gconf key to permanently switch if you like | 19:20 |
| lucian_ | it appears that i have to ctrl+l everytime i open nautilus.. thats not good | 19:24 |
| lucian_ | what happened to the option to keep it like that? | 19:25 |
| ZykoticK9 | lucian_, as i said "design decision" this should permanently have location bar gconf-editor /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_location_entry | 19:28 |
| lucian_ | well the option is still in the configuration editor:apps -- nautilus -- preferences -- always_use_location_entry checked | 19:28 |
| lucian_ | ok got it | 19:29 |
| jaafar | Hi everyone. I see that there's no xorg.conf anymore by default... or has it moved? I need to disable drm (or possibly switch to safe vga driver) for debugging. Any suggestions? | 19:34 |
| yofel | jaafar: create one yourself, there isn't one by default anymore but X uses autoconfig | 19:36 |
| jaafar | yofel: thanks. I want to ensure that whatever I create is identical in function to "no xorg.conf present", though. Not sure what that would be, exactly | 19:37 |
| jaafar | For example, I gather there is some autodetection being done (I same to be using the radeon driver) | 19:38 |
| jaafar | s/same/seem/ | 19:38 |
| MTecknology | any ideas what's causing this? http://dpaste.com/175267/ | 19:40 |
| MTecknology | It doesn't really seem to harm anything, just odd that aptitude is throwing out errors sometimes | 19:40 |
| Damascene | any one want to get a message that will break evolution? | 19:45 |
| Steil | no thanks | 19:46 |
| Damascene | come on, we are here for testing I think | 19:46 |
| MTecknology | Damascene: ya, send it to me | 19:47 |
| MTecknology | I'd like to see it | 19:47 |
| Damascene | ok I'll try to reopen it | 19:47 |
| jaafar | Is there an easy way to create an xorg.conf that simply says "do everything you were doing by default, but don't use DRM?" or "use vga, not radeon"? | 19:48 |
| Damascene | well it took a long time but now it's working. though it's just 1.5m | 19:48 |
| MTecknology | Damascene: oh, if that's the only reason i'm not impressed | 19:49 |
| Damascene | :) | 19:50 |
| ZykoticK9 | jaafar, steps to create an xorg http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/create-an-xorg-conf-file | 19:50 |
| Damascene | MTecknology, there is 33 atachment if that interest you | 19:50 |
| MTecknology | Damascene: not really, if it was something like a funky string of text i'd be interested | 19:51 |
| Damascene | np | 19:52 |
| adamk | Any thoughts as to why KDE desktop effects give me "Compositing is not supported on your system" with the new proprietary drivers fro AMD HD cards? | 19:54 |
| adamk | compi works fine, so presumably AIGLX, compositing, and 3D acceleration are all setup and working properly. | 19:55 |
| odyi | Anyone having issues with firefox on lucid beta? It won't start after the initial startup when the profile is created. | 19:59 |
| ChogyDan | odyi: I heard about that | 20:00 |
| ChogyDan | odyi: I think you have to remove compatibility.ini in your profile folder | 20:00 |
| monkey_dust | odyi, i have to re-install my FF flash plugin, each time i first launch the app | 20:01 |
| ZykoticK9 | odyi, try starting it from command line and see if it give some output that could tell you something (i had a problem with mono segfaulting in Firefox) | 20:01 |
| jaafar | ZykoticK9: the problem is not to create an xorg.conf, but to create one that mimics exactly the configuration X comes up with on its own | 20:01 |
| ZykoticK9 | jaafar, if you using the X -configure it should be very close (if not identical) | 20:02 |
| jaafar | In fact I just figured out how to do that, if anyone else is interested: get the grub menu (hold down shift), boot in recovery mode, get a shell prompt, run Xorg -configure | 20:02 |
| jaafar | ZykoticK9: thanks :) | 20:02 |
| odyi | ChogyDan: Was correct. Deleting compatibility.ini fixes it. | 20:05 |
| odyi | To bad it just puts it back | 20:05 |
| * odyi finds the bug report now | 20:09 | |
| data | hi. I tried upgrading to the lucid beta. But now I get the error message: "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on already unpacked 'initramfs-tools'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details." | 20:13 |
| ZykoticK9 | data, you're welcome :) | 20:14 |
| data | :) | 20:14 |
| frybye | I am running 10.4 in v-box and is running only in a reduced video mode with poor screen resoloution - the 10.4 has not identified the "VirtualBox graphics card" apparently.. how do I fix this? | 20:16 |
| frybye | I guess I need to edit /etc/x11/xorg.conf manually - not sure how to do this - what command to use what editor and how to get root status if necessary etc.. forgoten how to do all this stuff.. any tips please? | 20:17 |
| ZykoticK9 | frybye, is your host system Ubuntu as well? I switched from Oracle's PUEL version to Ubuntu's OSE VBox and now have working Guest Additions with 10.04 (10.04 is the Host as well) | 20:18 |
| frybye | I guess gedit /etc/x11/xorg.conf would normally work but needs to be as root or?? no Host is win7 64bit | 20:19 |
| ZykoticK9 | frybye, you might want to ask in #vbox | 20:19 |
| === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever | ||
| frybye | But this is just a general linux quesiton .. how to run gedit with a file in root mode...? | 20:20 |
| Saviq | guys, trying to compile a custom kernel from ubuntu-lucid.git, but in line 150 of the kernelconfig script http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git;a=blob;f=debian/scripts/misc/kernelconfig;h=71c0f5eedc6c42cd824bf3dfdd0e69ff9be900d1;hb=8d2b0bf6db1b0cfad645cac685ee45c00e803d69#l150 it drops out with /usr/src/linux-lucid//scripts/misc/../config-check: No such file or directory | 20:20 |
| ZykoticK9 | frybye, first i don't think xorg.conf is going to be there. To run gedit as root "gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf" should work | 20:20 |
| OerHeks | frybye, you need guest-additions to run full screen, see help menu virtual box | 20:21 |
| Saviq | there's a 'debian' missing there between linux-lucid/ and /scripts | 20:21 |
| frybye | OerHeks: have done all that the vbox help file instructs - has not taken effect... | 20:22 |
| frybye | in the vbox help it talks about man. editing xorg.conf but I just cant remember how to do that cos I have not used linux for ages... | 20:22 |
| red | frybye: sudo gedit filename | 20:23 |
| frybye | the installatoin from the guest-additions seemed to work in the terminal after following the instr. in the vbox help - but they did not take effect... | 20:23 |
| red | did you restart vbox after installing guest additions? | 20:23 |
| frybye | red: I thought for system files there was some special command not just sudo? | 20:24 |
| frybye | red: sure I did - still nothing of them works.. and I get a fault report on starting saying that the grafic system has not been identified and the input system also not identified.. | 20:24 |
| red | nope | 20:25 |
| frybye | like gksedit or something like that? eh...? | 20:25 |
| frybye | ok | 20:25 |
| red | gksudo is for graphical programs | 20:25 |
| red | like nvidia-settings etc | 20:25 |
| frybye | will have a look.... | 20:25 |
| red | not when you need to edit a file with root priviledges | 20:25 |
| frybye | ok no nividia relevant here in the vbox I guess.. | 20:25 |
| ActionParsnip | Yo yo yo | 20:25 |
| ZykoticK9 | red, gksu is used for any graphics programs to run as root so my suggestion for frybye "gksu gedit /etc/X11/xorg.conf | 20:26 |
| frybye | but basically I guess you are right - the problem is that the guest-additions are not working total.. eh? | 20:26 |
| ZykoticK9 | frybye, 10.04 isn't totally supported by the PUEL version of Guest Additions (but i was able to get graphics working them) | 20:27 |
| frybye | eh - this is getting a bit late in the evning here in c.europe - I will come back to this tomorrow - thanks for your input so far.. catch you folks next time... bye for now... | 20:27 |
| frybye | Zykotik - i see.. that says a lot | 20:28 |
| frybye | will get back to this tomorrow when fitter.. (I am recovering from a bad m-bike accident and not to much stamina just now - see you tomorrow...) | 20:28 |
| MTecknology | I wish I could figure out if the extremely slow and locking up network was because of my laptop, kernel, university - or what combination is involved... | 20:28 |
| rye | ok, I believe I will need to try to reproduce my boot failures with random partitions not mounted in a vm, can't really think of what could be the problem - waiting for /home, /var, /opt ... even after manual mountall my ecryptfs fails with "cannot access counter" or something like this :( | 20:29 |
| ActionParsnip | Mtecknology: when it locks run: dmesg | tail -n 20 | 20:30 |
| red | ZykoticK9: isn't the difference between which preferences / users file the program will use | 20:30 |
| red | but when you specify the file manually, theres no actualy difference, except for what preferences the program loads up | 20:30 |
| ZykoticK9 | red, i'm not sure i understand your question/statement - but sudo or gksudo run whatever program follows as the root user | 20:31 |
| red | ZykoticK9: yeah, but if I shoot up program gksudo and the same with sudo, the preference file which the program will be using is different (other will use current user prefs, other root users) | 20:32 |
| red | or then I've gotten it wrong | 20:33 |
| korogiannos | Hi all. Are there advantages installing fresh, from an end-user (not tester/bug-finder) perspective? or can I (as) safely upgrade and have the same system? | 20:33 |
| red | cause I never almost use gksu unless using sudo isn't working with the particular app | 20:33 |
| guntbert | red: if you want to call a graphical app (like gedit,...) use gksudo - not sudo | 20:33 |
| ZykoticK9 | red, don't use sudo with graphical programs! can cause major problems! | 20:33 |
| red | i always use just sudo for gediting files and never had any problems :) | 20:33 |
| rye | libvirt/qemu is now fixed | 20:33 |
| guntbert | !gksudo | red | 20:33 |
| ubottu | red: If you need to run graphical applications as root, use « gksudo », as it will set up the environment more appropriately. Never just use "sudo"! (See http://psychocats.net/ubuntu/graphicalsudo to know why) | 20:33 |
| ZykoticK9 | red, and you can use gksu instead of gksudo - so it's no extra typing ;) | 20:34 |
| guntbert | red: and please don't recommend to "just use sudo" with graphical apps | 20:34 |
| red | "gksudo firefoxit uses root's Firefox configuration file. | sudo firefox it runs with root privileges but uses the user's configuration file (in this case, you can see the homepage and theme are different)." | 20:35 |
| red | thats what I remembered, I've read that article before | 20:35 |
| red | but fair enough, won't recommend it to anyone :) | 20:35 |
| guntbert | red: both is dangerous (with firefox) | 20:35 |
| guntbert | red: ok :) | 20:35 |
| red | never had to run firefox/chrome as root tho | 20:36 |
| red | dunno why you would need to run fox as root? file associations? seemed to me for chrome they stick just fine when ran regularly | 20:36 |
| ActionParsnip | Red: sudo doesn't setup the x environment right and can garbage ownerships of files which may result in a nonbooting system or some users not being able to logon | 20:36 |
| red | I only use Firefox for youtube/flash games (cause for some reason most flash apps have nearly 2x more fps with firefox) | 20:37 |
| ActionParsnip | Red: you can techically use gksu for both ;) | 20:37 |
| red | :) | 20:37 |
| red | k | 20:37 |
| MTecknology | ActionParsnip: I'll do that, I hopped onto a 9.10 live cd | 20:38 |
| MTecknology | ActionParsnip: what will I be looking for? | 20:38 |
| red | how can I track my boot times from grub to desktop? | 20:39 |
| red | i saw some ppl loggin' theirs earlier | 20:39 |
| ActionParsnip | Mktecknology: what was the issue again please? | 20:40 |
| ZykoticK9 | red, bootchart is the program | 20:40 |
| red | furthermore, is there some way to check if I'm missing some lucid beta packages? | 20:40 |
| red | I installed early from alpha 3 disc | 20:40 |
| rye | red, !bootchart | 20:40 |
| MTecknology | ActionParsnip: internet locking up | 20:40 |
| rye | how do you do these things? | 20:40 |
| rye | ubottu, !bootchart | 20:40 |
| ubottu | bootchart charts your machine at boot time, to install >> sudo apt-get install bootchart << the graphic is in /var/log/bootchart after the next reboot | 20:40 |
| red | !bootchart | 20:40 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Ubuntu Lucid desktop x86 clean install into LVM, "stops" with the plymouth splash on-screen and needs Alt-SysReq-B to restart the system. Logs indicate Xorg may have started, but there is nothing definitive. Any clues on what to look for? | 20:41 |
| MTecknology | ActionParsnip: I can get to the access point just fine but beyond that i don't realy know what's going on - sometimes it's perfect and fine and other times it's not | 20:41 |
| data | Sorry for asking again, but i get this error and have no idea: "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on already unpacked 'initramfs-tools'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details." | 20:41 |
| ActionParsnip | Mktecknology: when it locks up run: dmesg | tail -n 20 | 20:42 |
| MTecknology | -> ActionParsnip: what will I be looking for? | 20:42 |
| red | MTecknology: most likely there is some indication of what is going wrong in those last twenty lines | 20:43 |
| ActionParsnip | Mtechnology: any warning or errors or changes, websearch anything which looks bad | 20:43 |
| MTecknology | ActionParsnip: sounds like it'll be fun - it seems to be slow but still works in 9.10.. | 20:43 |
| ActionParsnip | Mtecknology: karmic is well established and will be supported for a long time to come | 20:44 |
| MTecknology | well... it'll only take ~5min to reboot and lock up the internet - here we go..... | 20:45 |
| MTecknology | ActionParsnip: ya, i like some changes in 10.04 too though :P | 20:45 |
| MTughan | 'lo MTecknology :P | 20:45 |
| MTecknology | bbiab | 20:45 |
| ActionParsnip | Mtecknology: I bet its an ipv6 thing :) | 20:45 |
| red | is there some way to check if I'm missing some lucid beta packages? | 20:48 |
| red | like doing dist upgrade or something? | 20:48 |
| MTecknology | MTughan: hm? | 20:48 |
| red | (from alpha 3) | 20:48 |
| MTughan | MTecknology: Just saying hi. Haven't seen you in #freenode for a while. | 20:48 |
| MTecknology | MTughan: ya, the spam thing kinda got to me - how you been? | 20:48 |
| KB1JWQ | red: That'd do it. | 20:49 |
| MTecknology | internet glogging up and almost dead..... | 20:49 |
| MTughan | Doing all right. The spam's died down quite a bit, but it still happens occasionally. | 20:49 |
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| Guest2657 | Hi, I tried 10.04 beta, the live cd doesnt seem to support these kernel options: fetch=http://serverip/filesystem.squashfs , boot=live and toram will they be implemented or are they left out on purpose? | 20:49 |
| MTecknology | how do I check if I have IPv6 enabled? | 20:49 |
| IntuitiveNipple | red: usually the regular "apt-get upgrade" but sometimes "apt-get dist-upgrade" is needed to collect 'new' packages | 20:49 |
| MTughan | MTecknology: http://ipv6.google.com/ | 20:49 |
| * MTecknology hopes page loads before internet crashes :P | 20:50 | |
| MTecknology | MTughan: you sure that's teh right link? | 20:50 |
| MTughan | MTecknology: Works here. | 20:50 |
| * MTughan is running an IPv6 tunnel | 20:51 | |
| KB1JWQ | OMG new kernel today. Yay! | 20:51 |
| adamk | So no thoughts about being unable to enable KDE desktop effects with the catalyst drivers? | 20:51 |
| ZykoticK9 | MTecknology, http://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/ | 20:51 |
| ChogyDan | KB1JWQ: where are you seeing that? | 20:53 |
| MTecknology | MTughan: I get a 404 goin there | 20:53 |
| red | IntuitiveNipple: aye, i've been upgrading with safe-upgraded every couple of days | 20:53 |
| red | but wasn't sure how to grab the new ones that i dont have | 20:53 |
| IntuitiveNipple | dist-upgrade does that | 20:53 |
| ZykoticK9 | MTecknology, if you run ifconfig do you see an "inet6 addr:" line - this would indicate ipv6 is on your system (i'm under the impression it can't be removed/disabled, but am probably wrong about that) | 20:54 |
| red | yup | 20:54 |
| KB1JWQ | ChogyDan: aptitude update | 20:54 |
| ChogyDan | KB1JWQ: are you getting 2.6.32-17? or -16? | 20:54 |
| MTecknology | ZykoticK9: I don't see anything ipv6 | 20:54 |
| ZykoticK9 | MTecknology, then perhaps you don't have it running | 20:55 |
| KB1JWQ | ChogyDan: 17 | 20:55 |
| ChogyDan | KB1JWQ: cool, thanks | 20:55 |
| KB1JWQ | ChogyDan: No worries. Musta just hit. | 20:55 |
| red | Processing triggers for python-support ... | 20:55 |
| red | Segmentation fault (core dumped) | 20:55 |
| MTecknology | When the internet stopped working this is the only thing that showed up in dmesg - [ 242.741546] iwlagn 0000:06:00.0: iwl_tx_agg_start on ra = 00:23:eb:61:e0:52 tid = 0 | 20:55 |
| red | during aptitude safe-upgrade | 20:55 |
| red | is that bad? | 20:55 |
| KB1JWQ | ChogyDan: Tue, 23 Mar 2010 15:34:50 +0100 sayeth the changelog | 20:56 |
| MTecknology | red: I noticed that but it seems harmless | 20:56 |
| red | hope so | 20:56 |
| MTecknology | ZykoticK9: what do you see when you do cat /proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/disable_ipv6 ? | 20:56 |
| ZykoticK9 | MTecknology, 0 | 20:57 |
| MTecknology | mine shows 1 | 20:57 |
| ZykoticK9 | MTecknology, guess that's how to disable then :) | 20:57 |
| MTecknology | I guess I disabled it at some point | 20:57 |
| MTecknology | so that's probably not the issue | 20:58 |
| MTecknology | that's probably why I can't reach http://ipv6.google.com/ | 20:58 |
| MTecknology | dig ipv6.google.com AAAA <- works fine | 20:58 |
| MTecknology | so... it must be something with my university | 20:59 |
| Saviq | apw: looking at your commit 157fb43a, line 30 of debian/scripts/misc/kernelconfig - $DROOT is undefined and so $bindir lacks a 'debian' before scripts | 20:59 |
| Saviq | (that's in linux-lucid.git, btw) | 21:00 |
| KB1JWQ | MTecknology: Even with no ipv6 functionality dig will still return AAAA records over ipv4 | 21:00 |
| robertzaccour | my screen flickers every so often | 21:00 |
| MTecknology | and it died again -_- | 21:00 |
| Majorastro | drivers | 21:01 |
| robertzaccour | anyone else's screen blinking every now and then? | 21:01 |
| KB1JWQ | robertzaccour: Nope. | 21:01 |
| cousteau | I'm back. After using a good ethernet connection instead of that crappy wifi we have at the university extremetuxracer installed fine. | 21:02 |
| robertzaccour | any suggestions? | 21:02 |
| IntuitiveNipple | Ubuntu Lucid alternate x86 clean install of 'ubuntu-desktop' into LVM, when booting "stops" with the plymouth splash on-screen and needs Alt-SysReq-B to restart the system. Logs indicate Xorg may have started, but there is nothing definitive. Any clues on what to look for? | 21:03 |
| Saviq | apw: this diff exactly http://kernel.ubuntu.com/git?p=ubuntu/ubuntu-lucid.git;a=blobdiff;f=debian/scripts/misc/kernelconfig;fp=debian.master/scripts/misc/kernelconfig;h=be7b8ac0da7ed752d6ee170b1df158fc2218a370;hp=f9c855e3fc2a499e8468e48643ba0b2b651f1634;hb=157fb43a964777794fcc2057577dc38e271349d7;hpb=8637acc87a7c2761f6effb519715018a110c14ac | 21:04 |
| IntuitiveNipple | robertzaccour: Are you using the nivdia proprietary driver? I sometimes see that and there's usually a report in .xsession-errors. Been seeing it since Hardy I think. Sometimes go days without it. | 21:04 |
| robertzaccour | IntuitiveNipple, its a dell so i'm guessin its intel? | 21:07 |
| adamk | robertzaccour: 'lspci | grep -i vga' will tell you. | 21:08 |
| IntuitiveNipple | robertzaccour: OK... check the ~/.xsession-errors and /var/log/Xorg.0.log next time it happens, see what is reported recently | 21:08 |
| robertzaccour | adamk, 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 4 Series Chipset Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 07) | 21:10 |
| robertzaccour | IntuitiveNipple, how do i do that? | 21:10 |
| cousteau | yofel: reinstalled successfully. Maybe I was just on a bad wifi. | 21:10 |
| IntuitiveNipple | robertzaccour: View them with LogViewer, or at a terminal use 'less <filename>' to view and navigate them | 21:11 |
| robertzaccour | IntuitiveNipple, how do i install that? | 21:12 |
| IntuitiveNipple | install what? | 21:13 |
| MTecknology | hurray.... if I hop onto vista, things seem to work a little better | 21:14 |
| MTecknology | as in - not lock up | 21:14 |
| MTecknology | I'm wondering if this could be my university trying to punish anyone using linux | 21:14 |
| robertzaccour | IntuitiveNipple, i don't know what you mean by less filename | 21:15 |
| robertzaccour | what file name is it? | 21:15 |
| IntuitiveNipple | robertzaccour: "less" is a command to view text files and scroll around within them. "less <filename>" means replace <filename> with the name of one of the log files you wish to view, e.g. "less ~/.xsession-errors" | 21:18 |
| robertzaccour | it just did it again | 21:19 |
| robertzaccour | it says less is a missing filename | 21:19 |
| robertzaccour | less ~/.xsession-errors brought up lots of stuff, not sure how to read it though | 21:21 |
| Damascene | could someone try "LC_ALL=ar_SA.UTF-8 evolution" | 21:24 |
| Damascene | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/evolution/+bug/545459 | 21:25 |
| ubottu | Ubuntu bug 545459 in evolution "evolution new message is broken in Arabic locale" [Undecided,New] | 21:25 |
| MTecknology | I hope wired internet works a little better... maybe.. | 21:25 |
| MTecknology | heh... methinks me tracked this down to a wireless issue.... just means I'll be happy as a bunny when I get out of this university | 21:29 |
| Some_Person | MTecknology: What if it's the Killer Rabbit of Caerbannog | 21:36 |
| MTecknology | Some_Person: well, I carry a lot of rage with me... | 21:37 |
| red | Having problems with samba + lucid lynx, even tho a week has passed and a few new samba versions have come: | 21:44 |
| red | http://pastebin.com/jzU1pai6 | 21:44 |
| red | symlinks arent working as expected | 21:44 |
| red | and as extra info, the same configuration worked without problems up until few weeks ago until i updated samba | 21:50 |
| red | so im guessing its a lucid lynx problem | 21:50 |
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| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, red. How are they working? | 21:56 |
| dupondje | somebody good @ iptables ? | 21:57 |
| KB1JWQ | !expert | dupondje | 21:57 |
| ubottu | dupondje: one persons expectation of expert is different to that of another, why not ask the question with lots of useful information on one line and see what happens | 21:57 |
| red | KB1JWQ: they? | 21:58 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, red. I see your post now. That's decidedly strange. | 21:59 |
| dupondje | :) well, I have a server that doing work as vpn server, now I want to forward 1 port from the public IP to one port of one of the clients in the vpn network, but I can't get it to work | 21:59 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, dupondje. I've done this historically with netcat or ssh. | 21:59 |
| red | KB1JWQ: indeed, im working around the problem by mounting the symlink stuff manually | 21:59 |
| red | but its not really ideal | 21:59 |
| dupondje | KB1JWQ: well the thing is thats its a windblow client ;) no ssh or so on it | 22:00 |
| dupondje | tried some iptables, but that doesn't seem to work, the packet gets on the client, but never back it seem | 22:01 |
| tamran | howdy all | 22:01 |
| KB1JWQ | YIKES. update-manager is held back, to resolve the deps it wants to remove ubuntu-desktop | 22:02 |
| red | KB1JWQ: lol :) | 22:02 |
| KB1JWQ | http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3101/2851814771_38b1ff5e57.jpg | 22:04 |
| dupondje | KB1JWQ: any idea ? | 22:05 |
| kaddi | heyhey :) | 22:06 |
| KB1JWQ | dupondje: I'm no iptables expert, I'm working on it. Check back in a week. | 22:06 |
| kaddi | I heard the beta has been released? how is everybody liking it so far? | 22:06 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, kaddi. It's nice. | 22:07 |
| rye | dupondje, you will need DNAT iptables rule in PREROUTING table for nat, search for port forwarding on the internets | 22:11 |
| dupondje | rye: iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -p tcp -i eth0 -d 85.17.239.130 --dport 5900 -j DNAT --to 192.168.3.104:5900 | 22:13 |
| dupondje | packet gets onto 192.168.3.104, but nothing seems to return | 22:13 |
| rye | dupondje, and FORWARD rules in filter table for NEW connections? | 22:14 |
| dupondje | iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -i eth0 -d 192.168.3.104 --dport 5900 -j ACCEPT | 22:15 |
| rye | dupondje, try running tcpdump on the router to see if the packet is dispatched to 192.168.3.104m or better yet, on the client itself | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | bRoas | 22:17 |
| rye | dupondje, also, check the default route on 3.104 - it might send packets via not the same path as they came in | 22:17 |
| BUGabundo | I'm truly disappointed... installed Lucid on a recently new Desktop PC, running on a 64GB SSD, with Win7 and VirtualBox. install time inside the VM: 2-3min. boottime: 2-3 sec till gdm. after installing guest additions X would not start :( | 22:19 |
| dupondje | rye: the default route is prolly not the vpn server, as it makes connection with the internet on its own ... | 22:19 |
| rye | dupondje, that's why packets from the clients are not going to your vpn server, they go to the internet via another route | 22:20 |
| dupondje | rye: is there any way to change that ? as for example ping works on the vpn server itself | 22:21 |
| Jaymac | my filesystem has suddenly changed itself to read only | 22:21 |
| rye | dupondje, the packets that are forwarded from the vpn server are carrying the remote host IP, i.e. the ip is _not_ changed to the router one. I believe my knowledge of route management ends here. I believe that the router need to NAT in both directions but that's definitely something that I don't know how to do and whether that's possible at all | 22:22 |
| tamran | how does Ubuntu do keybindings? | 22:24 |
| bastidrazor | !info cairo-dock | lucid | 22:28 |
| bastidrazor | !info cairo-dock | 22:28 |
| ubottu | cairo-dock (source: cairo-dock): A light and eye-candy dock to launch your programs (metapackage). In component universe, is optional. Version 2.1.3-6-0ubuntu1 (lucid), package size 5 kB, installed size 36 kB | 22:28 |
| dupondje | http://dupondje.be/Network.png :) | 22:32 |
| Jaymac | my / filesystem has screwed up | 22:39 |
| Jaymac | i can't boot into lucid at all | 22:39 |
| BUGabundo | livecd and fix it ? | 22:40 |
| Jaymac | i'm getting an error: this filesystem has errors [SFIM] or something like that on boot | 22:40 |
| Jaymac | livecd -> fsck the best bet? | 22:40 |
| red | 1763 packets transmitted, 1736 received, 1% packet loss, time 1764083ms | 22:40 |
| red | rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 1.641/134.410/2048.042/202.324 ms, pipe 3 | 22:40 |
| red | oops, didnt mean to paste here | 22:41 |
| popey | Jaymac: press F when that comes up | 22:41 |
| red | sry | 22:41 |
| Jaymac | popey: ok - what does that do? | 22:41 |
| popey | fsck | 22:41 |
| Jaymac | fix? :) | 22:41 |
| Jaymac | ok | 22:41 |
| popey | Skip, Fsck, Ignore ... M? | 22:41 |
| popey | i guess :) | 22:41 |
| Jaymac | it might not be those letters exactly can't remember | 22:41 |
| Jaymac | will make a note next time | 22:41 |
| Jaymac | will try booting again | 22:41 |
| mM94 | did the new kernel fix the black screen issue after login? | 22:50 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, mM94. Wouldn't that be hardware specific? | 22:50 |
| MTughan | Probably Nvidia specific. | 22:51 |
| mM94 | KB1JWQ, possibly. I know i couldn't us my toshiba laptop with the lucid beta at all | 22:51 |
| MTughan | mM94: What graphics card do you have? | 22:52 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, mM94. There are likely ways to resolve this issue if the hardware is supported in other distros. | 22:52 |
| mM94 | MTecknology, it's ati not sure of the exact model | 22:52 |
| MTughan | Hmm. The ATI graphics in my laptop work just fine. How old is the laptop? | 22:53 |
| mM94 | MTecknology, getting pretty old probably around 4 years | 22:53 |
| MTughan | mM94: And you're highlighting the wrong nick. :P | 22:54 |
| mM94 | woops | 22:54 |
| mM94 | it's a Radeon Xpress 200 | 22:55 |
| MTughan | That's an R300 core. | 22:56 |
| tamran | mM94: I have that card ... it sucks :( | 22:56 |
| mM94 | tamran, do you have issues with the lucid beta? | 22:57 |
| MTecknology | MTughan: .... | 22:57 |
| MTecknology | :P | 22:58 |
| Jaymac | phew, fsck fixed it.. hitting f at that error didn't do anything popey - it said i had to run it manually | 22:58 |
| popey | hah | 22:58 |
| popey | phew tho! | 22:58 |
| Jaymac | the message was something like Filesystem has errors [SFIM] | 22:58 |
| Jaymac | yeah, had a near heart attack | 22:59 |
| Jaymac | going on holiday tomorrow - live cd is definitely coming with me! | 22:59 |
| tamran | mM94: it works fine here | 22:59 |
| red | jesuus | 22:59 |
| Jaymac | ty for help | 22:59 |
| popey | np | 22:59 |
| tamran | mM94: did you have trouble booting up? | 22:59 |
| mM94 | tamran, it boots fine. But as soon as I try to run something like firefox, the screen just goes black | 23:00 |
| tamran | mM94: none of the "real" 3d stuff works at all, but in the software layer it works OK | 23:00 |
| tamran | mM94: did it give you a kernel panic? what does dmesg say? Can you do ctrl-alt-F1 to get to a console? | 23:00 |
| mM94 | tamran, I didn't try that. I'd have to install it back on and see if that works | 23:01 |
| tamran | oh | 23:01 |
| tamran | well, video going black doesn't sound good ... what machine you running? a laptop? | 23:02 |
| mM94 | tamran, yep. toshiba satellite a105-s1014 | 23:02 |
| tamran | ahhh, I'm on an HP DV5130 | 23:02 |
| tamran | very similar machines | 23:02 |
| tamran | mM94: did you set up the bios to use some shared memory with the video card? | 23:03 |
| mM94 | tamran, do you have kms enabled? | 23:03 |
| tamran | yeah, kms is enabled here | 23:03 |
| abe3k | hello, I've installed today's latest updates on my eeepc, did a couple of restarts, then the display dimmed and I tried to wake the machine up but it didn't so I tried restarting the eeepc but it failed to boot as I think it is caused by a damaged MBR | 23:03 |
| tamran | the fancy flicker free boot even works | 23:03 |
| mM94 | tamran, yeah everything looked great for me as far as booting. just after login it goes bad | 23:04 |
| tamran | mM94: dang | 23:04 |
| tamran | mM94: so, yeah, are you using shared memory with cpu and gpu? | 23:04 |
| tamran | mM94: I can't remember that mode again | 23:05 |
| mM94 | tamran, i believe so i can check | 23:05 |
| abe3k | the harddisk led is lit up all the time | 23:05 |
| abe3k | not blinking, but seems as if it is stuck | 23:05 |
| tamran | mM94: I have mine turned off. So, I have 128mb of pure vid memory and nothing from the main cpu memory. | 23:05 |
| tamran | mM94: it's just a hunch here though | 23:05 |
| mM94 | tamran, okay. bios shows no options for shared memory that I see | 23:06 |
| abe3k | so ? anyone interested in this ? | 23:07 |
| tamran | mM94: ok, maybe it's only on my laptop | 23:07 |
| tamran | mM94: the hunch I had was that it was a memory problem | 23:07 |
| mM94 | tamran, do you know if the daily build for today might have the new kernel? | 23:07 |
| tamran | mM94: and this is not an upgrade right? just a straight install? | 23:07 |
| tamran | mM94: I don't know about the kernel ... | 23:08 |
| tamran | mM94: a different kernel could change things | 23:08 |
| mM94 | tamran, right. straight install. had to use the alternate disk because the live cd would not work | 23:08 |
| tamran | mM94: livecd didn't work for wireless net? | 23:08 |
| abe3k | I think this is a major issue | 23:09 |
| tamran | mM94: does the 9.10 livecd work for you? | 23:09 |
| mM94 | tamran, the live cd would go to the option of installing or trying ubuntu, but any option i choose makes the screen go crazy | 23:09 |
| mM94 | tamran, yep jaunty and karmic live cd's work | 23:09 |
| tamran | mM94: you "may" want to try an upgrade? | 23:10 |
| MikeChelen1 | is there any way to shut down empathy and gwibber? | 23:10 |
| tamran | mM94: that's how I got this machine up and running, from 9.10 lived, did a "fresh" 9.10 install and then just upgraded (I didn't want to download and burn another cd) | 23:10 |
| tamran | mM94: and I'm using Kubuntu, not ubuntu | 23:10 |
| tamran | mM94: something is definitely off with vid drivers if 9.10 is working ... | 23:11 |
| KB1JWQ | abe3k: Okay, and your busted drive is relevant to the greater Ubuntu community how? :-) | 23:12 |
| tamran | KB1JWQ: be nice, he's freaking out because his system won't boot :) | 23:12 |
| KB1JWQ | tamran: I get that, but I don't see how a busted drive is necessarily a problem with Ubuntu? | 23:12 |
| abe3k | I'm not freaking out tbh | 23:12 |
| tamran | abe3k: if no one answers it means they don't know, sorry | 23:12 |
| KB1JWQ | abe3k: dmesg and iostat show what? | 23:13 |
| abe3k | KB1JWQ, this happened when ubuntu went into suspend | 23:13 |
| abe3k | KB1JWQ, are you kidding me ? | 23:13 |
| MikeChelen1 | KB1JWQ: try booting to recovery mode? | 23:13 |
| tamran | abe3k: you may need to do a reinstall of grub? | 23:13 |
| mM94 | tamran, oh i didn't mention. first time was a fresh install. second time i did a karmic upgrade to lucid. Now i could run lucid on the karmic kernel but not the default for lucid | 23:13 |
| abe3k | tamran, the eeepc is not detecting the HDD | 23:13 |
| tamran | abe3k: ouch, even from the bios? | 23:14 |
| KB1JWQ | Yeah, sounds like a pooched drive. | 23:14 |
| tamran | I think KB1JWQ is correct, you may have a bad drive | 23:14 |
| abe3k | tamran, yeap Just found that out, I think its stuck somehow | 23:14 |
| tamran | mM94: the upgrade actually upgrades the kernel doesn't it? | 23:15 |
| mM94 | tamran, it left me with 2 kernels | 23:15 |
| abe3k | tamran, and that wouldn't be related anyway to the suspend/sleep issue ? | 23:15 |
| Wiseman | halp, 10.04 won't install | 23:15 |
| tamran | mM94: ahhhh | 23:15 |
| KB1JWQ | tamran: I upgraded my version of tcpdump just now and a kid threw a rock through my car windshield. I think I should report this regression. :-) | 23:15 |
| myrl | does anyone know when 10.04 will be released? | 23:15 |
| tamran | abe3k: it could be related ... not sure :( | 23:16 |
| KB1JWQ | myrl: See /topic | 23:16 |
| Wiseman | rebooted with CD in tray, I got the purple screen that said to install, then i got some garbled graphics and no response. | 23:16 |
| KB1JWQ | !lucid | 23:16 |
| ubottu | Lucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 29th, 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in #ubuntu+1 - Development Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule | 23:16 |
| myrl | not beta | 23:16 |
| abe3k | tamran, it happened right infront of me, went to sleep I tried to wake it up and it didn't , restarted and the HDD is stuck | 23:16 |
| tamran | KB1JWQ: correlation does not always mean causation :P | 23:16 |
| KB1JWQ | myrl: THe milestones link, specifically. | 23:16 |
| KB1JWQ | tamran: Precisely. | 23:16 |
| mM94 | tamran, maybe i should be happy with that....it's just that i was having those dns issues after the upgrade and i thought they carried over from karmic | 23:16 |
| tamran | KB1JWQ: hehe | 23:16 |
| tamran | mM94: you've got me wondering if this "upgraded" version is actually the same as what I would have gotten with a fresh install. if it isn't, there is something "off" with the upgrade process | 23:17 |
| abe3k | I'm sure something went wrong when ubuntu tried to issue a stop spin to the harddisk | 23:18 |
| tamran | abe3k: it's possible ... but it's possible that it is not related | 23:18 |
| Wiseman | so has anyone else had the same problem trying to load lucid? | 23:18 |
| KB1JWQ | abe3k: I just upgraded to the latest kernel and rebooted. | 23:18 |
| KB1JWQ | No issue here, albeit on an SSD. | 23:18 |
| abe3k | KB1JWQ, you have an eeepc ? | 23:19 |
| KB1JWQ | abe3k: No, an HP Mini 1000. | 23:19 |
| tamran | KB1JWQ: his HDD won't spin up | 23:19 |
| abe3k | KB1JWQ, try putting it to sleep | 23:19 |
| KB1JWQ | abe3k: I'm not on it at the moment, I"m on my Lenovo t510 | 23:19 |
| KB1JWQ | Sleep's broken on this unit at the moment, it's bleeding edge hardware. | 23:19 |
| KB1JWQ | Just bounced it though, no worries. | 23:19 |
| KB1JWQ | If BIOS won't show your drive, it's not a software issue, abe3k | 23:19 |
| Again617 | I've installed 10.04 on a separate partition from 9.10 but I'm keeping the same /home partition | 23:20 |
| tamran | abe3k: so, you can't even boot up with the livecd or rescueCD and read the drive? | 23:20 |
| Again617 | I am able to access all of my files but I had a secondary account for guest users. I recreated this account (same user name and password) but authentication fails when I try to login. | 23:20 |
| abe3k | KB1JWQ, I know it's not software now, but the cause could've been software related, I'm just sayin | 23:20 |
| KB1JWQ | tamran: Not if the drive won't show in BIOS. | 23:20 |
| abe3k | tamran, I can boot off a live usb flash , but that won't help | 23:20 |
| KB1JWQ | abe3k: THere isn't a "cook the drive firmware" option in linux. :-) | 23:21 |
| tamran | KB1JWQ: right ... a right dang pickle he is in | 23:21 |
| KB1JWQ | abe3k: Call Asus support and have 'em RMA the drive? | 23:21 |
| Wiseman | so can anyone offer any advice on getting 10.04 to boot? I get nothing. | 23:21 |
| abe3k | KB1JWQ, I don't want a fix, I'm just trying to inform you guys about what might be a serious bug | 23:21 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, Wiseman. What hardware? | 23:22 |
| abe3k | I'll figure out how to revive the disk | 23:22 |
| Wiseman | Sony VAIO laptop, Core 2 duo, Nvidia geforce 210 mobile | 23:22 |
| KB1JWQ | abe3k: And we're telling you that there's no (realistic) way that Lucid caused this issue. Correlation does not equal causation. | 23:22 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, Wiseman. What kind of boot failure are you seeing? | 23:22 |
| tamran | abe3k: just a though ... are you willing to take the HDD out? | 23:22 |
| abe3k | tamran, I might to that | 23:22 |
| Again617 | Wiseman, it took me a couple of tries to get anything to show up when booting from the live disk. I don't know why, but eventually it worked. | 23:23 |
| kklimonda | does anyone remember script that downgrades all packages to version from the release? | 23:23 |
| tamran | abe3k: perhaps take it out, then reinsert it and try rebooting? | 23:23 |
| Wiseman | KB1JWQ: I reboot with the CD in the drive and i get the purple Ubuntu menu to start installing, then it goes to scrambled graphics like an old Atari system and locks up. | 23:23 |
| kklimonda | (something similar to ppa-purge but for all packages installed) | 23:23 |
| abe3k | tamran, I could do that | 23:23 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, Wiseman. Have you attempted using the alternate installer with text mode? | 23:23 |
| Wiseman | No | 23:23 |
| tamran | abe3k: it scares me if your bios won't see it though ... how old is your eeePC? | 23:23 |
| Wiseman | But frankly if this is the state it is in, I'm not sure I'm interested yet. | 23:24 |
| Wiseman | I don't know how unpolished it is at present. | 23:24 |
| abe3k | tamran, not old, its a 904HD, right before the 1K series | 23:24 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, Wiseman. YOu might try that. You might do well to remember that the installer's hardware support lags a bit behind the support in Lucid itself. | 23:24 |
| myrl | hi | 23:24 |
| Wiseman | KB1JWQ: so how do I go about doing that then? | 23:24 |
| Wiseman | actually scratch that, I think I'll just wait for the final release | 23:25 |
| myrl | does anyone know when the final release will be? | 23:25 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, Wiseman. I had to install from text mode, pass init=/bin/bash in grub, and apt-get dist-upgrade to get video card support. | 23:25 |
| Wiseman | april 29th, myrl | 23:25 |
| myrl | thanks | 23:25 |
| abe3k | tamran, 2 gigs of ram and an 80 GB HDD | 23:25 |
| BUGabundo | Again617: you need to chown the files of that account | 23:25 |
| Wiseman | KB1JWQ: I don't have ubuntu currently installed. | 23:25 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, Wiseman. Always a good idea if stability is required. | 23:25 |
| Again617 | Ok, I'll try chown, if I need help with that I'll ask | 23:26 |
| tamran | abe3k: have you got the latest bios on that thing? | 23:26 |
| Wiseman | I used Mint 7 for a while and was very happy with it, ubuntu 9.04 and 8.04 were real buggy for me, I hope 10.04 is better. | 23:27 |
| tamran | abe3k: it could be a bios issue or like KB1JWQ said, a HW issue ... it's unlikely that the OS could cause this problem, but granted not totally impossible | 23:27 |
| abe3k | tamran: I'm not sure since I'm not trying to mess with the bios thingy, I did update my older 900 and it messed it up pretty well | 23:27 |
| mM94 | tamran, hey thanks for the info. I'll try a few things | 23:28 |
| excopy | hi, tried running rhythmbox today and noticed that when I press rhythmbox icon on panel it shows me menu and doesn't show the application like in karmic. Has it been like this whole time? | 23:28 |
| abe3k | tamran, I've had ubuntu 7.04 on it for a long time, I've faced no issues, I did install a freash 10.04 on it and didn't face any problems either, only this one today | 23:28 |
| abe3k | tamran, but hey, it could've just been bad timing to discover that it is actually a HW issue | 23:29 |
| tamran | mM94: I hope it works out for you, good luck ... sorry I couldn't be of more help | 23:29 |
| abe3k | tamran, right now I've disconnected the ram, HDD and battery from the 904 | 23:30 |
| abe3k | tamran, I'll try to put it together and see what happens | 23:30 |
| tamran | abe3k: try plugging it all back in | 23:31 |
| ilmari | I take it just copying /boot/{initrd,vmlinuz}-$(uname -r) to /cdrom/casper/ won't work to get an updated kernel on a persistent live USB stick? | 23:31 |
| ilmari | originally created with usb-creator-gtk from the beta-1 iso | 23:31 |
| robertzaccour | hey yall | 23:32 |
| Diverdude | why is lucid delayed? | 23:32 |
| robertzaccour | my screen blinks every few minutes. is that bad? | 23:32 |
| robertzaccour | lucid ain't delayed | 23:33 |
| KB1JWQ | Diverdude: It isn't. | 23:33 |
| Diverdude | but it shouldbe 0104 | 23:33 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, Diverdude. Please read the /topic | 23:33 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, Diverdude. How do you figure? | 23:33 |
| MikeChelen1 | !lucid | 23:33 |
| ubottu | Lucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 29th, 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support only in #ubuntu+1 - Development Schedule: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule | 23:33 |
| Diverdude | KB1JWQ, well because that makes most sense | 23:33 |
| Wiseman | to go from 9 to 1? | 23:34 |
| Wiseman | yean that makes sense | 23:34 |
| Wiseman | DERP | 23:34 |
| Diverdude | err no | 23:34 |
| Diverdude | because it is released 2 times a yeah, april and october | 23:34 |
| Pici | Wiseman: the version number is the Year.Month of release. | 23:34 |
| Wiseman | Pici: precisely | 23:34 |
| Pici | (20)10.04 | 23:34 |
| Diverdude | then it would make sense to do it the first day in the motnh | 23:34 |
| Wiseman | 10.04 | 23:34 |
| ilmari | Diverdude: 29th is still april | 23:34 |
| KB1JWQ | Welcome to #ubuntu+1, Diverdude. It's never been done that way previously. | 23:35 |
| Diverdude | ilmari, yes but a strange day in april | 23:35 |
| charlie-tca | Thinking it should be thought of as 2010.04 | 23:35 |
| MikeChelen1 | 2010.04.29? | 23:35 |
| Pici | Its usually at the end of the month.. thats just the way it works. | 23:35 |
| Diverdude | but why | 23:35 |
| charlie-tca | Diverdude: it is year.month for versions | 23:35 |
| MikeChelen1 | yeah it might be nice to do first of may instead | 23:36 |
| MikeChelen1 | 2010.05.01 | 23:36 |
| Wiseman | Diverdude: I am glad to hear you will be taking over coding duties for the ubuntu team to ensure arrival of the finished product early in the month! | 23:36 |
| MikeChelen1 | just change the month, only a few days different | 23:36 |
| Diverdude | Wiseman, no problem...i would be done on time | 23:36 |
| robertzaccour | my screen blinks every few minutes. is that bad? | 23:36 |
| Wiseman | Diverdude: fantastic | 23:36 |
| Wiseman | you are a pretty cool guy. | 23:36 |
| Diverdude | yes i am | 23:37 |
| MikeChelen1 | robertzaccour: what kind of screen? | 23:37 |
| robertzaccour | MikeChelen1, laptop | 23:37 |
| Wiseman | I bet your girlfriend loves it...oh wait. | 23:37 |
| MikeChelen1 | !ot | 23:37 |
| ubottu | #ubuntu+1 handles support for the development version of Ubuntu. Please join #ubuntu for all other Ubuntu support. Chat in #ubuntu-offtopic. | 23:37 |
| Diverdude | Wiseman, i dont have a girlfriend. i am to much of a geek for that | 23:37 |
| Pici | Enough. | 23:37 |
| MikeChelen1 | robertzaccour: it is probably not harmful, there might be a loose connection somewhere | 23:38 |
| === FFForever-Away is now known as FFForever | ||
| * Wiseman is done. The procecution rests. | 23:38 | |
| Diverdude | Wiseman, so no, | 23:38 |
| robertzaccour | MikeChelen1, i figured it was somethin to do with the OS development | 23:38 |
| MikeChelen1 | Diverdude: try making a suggestion on the ubuntu ideas site or as a feature request | 23:38 |
| MikeChelen1 | robertzaccour: that's also possible, what video card do you have? | 23:39 |
| robertzaccour | MikeChelen1, intel mobile 4 i think | 23:39 |
| MikeChelen1 | robertzaccour: try changing resolution or other settings? | 23:39 |
| Again617 | I'm back... a little bit ago I asked for some help and I tried to chown the guest folder in /home. I then attempted to switch user to guest but authentication failed. | 23:41 |
| Again617 | My screen went black when I tried to log back in as normal user. I got impatient waiting for it to start working and I rebooted using Alt+Ctrl+Delete. | 23:41 |
| robertzaccour | MikeChelen1, its set at highest resolution | 23:41 |
| robertzaccour | 1366x768 | 23:42 |
| Again617 | So I'm still trying to fix my first problem where guest account can't login. The command I used was | 23:42 |
| Again617 | sudo chown guest:guest /home/guest/ -hRv | 23:42 |
| robertzaccour | MikeChelen1, could it be a KDE issue? | 23:43 |
| MikeChelen1 | robertzaccour: maybe, try enabling or disabling hardware accel effects | 23:45 |
| robertzaccour | MikeChelen1, its set on high resolution and very high cpu | 23:48 |
| fabio333 | hi | 23:48 |
| fabio333 | is is still possible to edit the path in nautilus? | 23:48 |
| fabio333 | i mean in the address path | 23:48 |
| Again617 | fabio333, yep it is | 23:50 |
| abe3k | fabio333, ctrl+l | 23:51 |
| fabio333 | it works... only a shortcut? | 23:51 |
| abe3k | fabio333, I don't see any icons yet | 23:51 |
| fabio333 | ok thank u | 23:52 |
| Again617 | abe3k, where? On your desktop? | 23:52 |
| abe3k | Again617, nope | 23:53 |
| fabio333 | a last q | 23:53 |
| fabio333 | what the use of the indicator applet, i got rid of it | 23:53 |
| fabio333 | does it work witk with firefox? | 23:54 |
| abe3k | Again617, I mean no Icon to toggle the addressbar | 23:55 |
| Again617 | oh, I see what you mean | 23:55 |
| Again617 | I don't know how to get it back to the way it is by default either | 23:56 |
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