[00:00] <godbyk> k
[00:01] <godbyk> Red_HamsterX: Does the screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org site work as expected now?
[00:02] <Red_HamsterX> Nope. Seems to be failing at bzr again...
[00:03] <godbyk> lemme look
[00:07] <godbyk>  Red_HamsterX try again
[00:07] <godbyk> I think the env command ignores the environment variables or something.
[00:08] <godbyk> I set the $bzr_line explicitly to /home/godbyk/local/bin/bzr
[00:24] <Red_HamsterX> Seems to bbe working now.
[00:24] <Red_HamsterX> Yay. :)
[00:24] <daker> :)
[00:24] <Red_HamsterX> :) begets :)
[00:37] <Odd-rationale> Is there anyway to view existing bug reports on the manual? Thanks!
[00:48] <godbyk> Odd-rationale: You can view them here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiussLy2MfjjdHRrYlR0Q0RMRXRTaXJuR2w0QjFUcXc&hl=en
[00:51] <Odd-rationale> godbyk: thank you!
[00:53] <Odd-rationale> Also, when we specify a page number, do we use the page number of the book page or the page number of the pdf page?
[00:59] <godbyk> Odd-rationale: I would go with the printed page number in the PDF
[01:01] <Odd-rationale> godbyk: you mean the number printed on the page. not the actual pdf page number (which counts the cover page as 1)
[01:01] <godbyk> Odd-rationale: Correct.
[01:06] <Odd-rationale> Have you considered using Launchpad and bzr for the bug reporting?
[01:06] <Odd-rationale> The spreadsheet does not seem like it could scale very well...
[01:07] <godbyk> Odd-rationale: We wanted to try to reduce the barriers to reporting bugs.
[01:07] <godbyk> Using launchpad requires having a launchpad login, filling out a bug report that has no structure and then someone has to triage it and flag it a dozen different ways.
[01:08] <godbyk> Using the custom form and spreadsheet allows us to ask specific questions that help us deal with the bugs more quickly.
[01:08] <godbyk> And makes it easier for the bug reporter to give us the info we require on the first try (instead of the back-and-forth you see in many launchpad bug reports).
[01:09] <Odd-rationale> I see. Well that makes sense in some ways. But it is rather difficult to see if a bug has already been reported, or to comment on someone else's bug report.
[01:10] <godbyk> Odd-rationale: That's true. But it's fairly easy for us to triage the bugs and flag the duplicates.  And most of the bugs are 'missing comma' or 'misspelled word' that don't require conversation.
[01:10] <godbyk> Odd-rationale: If you have a larger bug that you'd like to track and have a conversation about, you're welcome to report it against the ubuntu-manual project in launchpad, however.
[01:13] <Odd-rationale> godbyk: ok. well I was searching the bug reports to make sure I didn't post a duplicate, and I found a similar one and wanted to comment on it...
[01:13] <godbyk> Ah, never fear.  You don't have to spend time checking for dupes. We'll take care of it on our end as we make edits.
[01:17] <Odd-rationale> ok. Thanks for the help!
[01:18] <godbyk> Odd-rationale: On the contrary -- thanks for *your* help! :)
[01:51] <daker> godbyk, one question
[01:51] <daker> $ bzr launchpad-login your-id
[01:51] <godbyk> daker: fire away
[01:51] <daker> you-id ?
[01:51] <godbyk> 'your-id' should be your launchpad login id.
[01:52] <daker> my username ?
[01:52] <godbyk> yes
[01:52] <daker> my username =? my email
[01:53] <godbyk> nope, just your username
[01:53] <godbyk> when you log in to launchpad, click on your name in the upper-right corner
[01:54] <daker> https://launchpad.net/~adnane002
[01:54] <godbyk> it'll take you to an address like: http://launchpad.net/~username
[01:54] <daker> oki
[01:54] <godbyk> so adnane002 is your username
[01:54] <daker> oki
[01:55] <daker> https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main
[01:56] <daker> it look like he doesn't know me
[01:57] <godbyk> what does 'bzr whoami' say?
[01:57] <daker> Daker <daker@daker-desktop>
[01:59] <godbyk> did you set up an ssh key in your launchpad profile?
[01:59] <daker> yes
[02:00] <godbyk> you should be set then.
[02:00] <daker> https://launchpad.net/%7Eadnane002/+sshkeys
[02:02] <humphreybc> hi children, i'm back
[02:02] <daker> hi
[02:02] <daker> godbyk, what's the problem ?
[02:02] <godbyk> daker: I'm not sure.  was launchpad-login set before you committed?
[02:03] <daker> yes
[02:03] <daker> humphreybc, !!
 https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main
 it look like he doesn't know me
[02:03] <godbyk> I'm out of ideas, then.  Sorry.
[02:03] <humphreybc> huh who what where when what
[02:07] <daker> humphreybc, Daker <daker@daker-desktop>, lp doesn't give a link to my profil
[02:08] <humphreybc> you need to run bzr whoami
[02:08] <daker> daker@daker-desktop:~/ubuntu-manual$ bzr whoami
[02:08] <daker> Daker <daker@daker-desktop>
[02:08] <humphreybc> odd
[02:08] <humphreybc> oh
[02:08] <humphreybc> you need that to be your launchpad email address
[02:08] <humphreybc> so whatever email you signed up to launchpad with
[02:09] <daker> odd
[02:10]  * humphreybc  needs a name for a set of questions we ask each week in a weekly interview thing
[02:17]  * daker fixed the problem
[02:18] <daker> $ bzr whoami "Adnane Belmadiaf <adnane002@gmail.com>"
[02:29] <humphreybc> 317 bug reports...
[02:29] <daker> hohoho
[02:29] <humphreybc> srsly
[02:29] <humphreybc> r u srslst?!
[02:29] <humphreybc> lool
[02:31] <daker> your time zone humphreybc ?
[02:31] <humphreybc> +13
[02:32]  * humphreybc is pulling the latest manual revision, time to decimate some bugs
[02:37] <daker> godbyk, it takes time test.ubuntu-manual.org to be sync ?
[02:38] <godbyk> daker: I've turned off the sync until after the bzr stuff is fixed.
[02:38] <godbyk> if it's fixed, I can turn it back on.
[02:38] <daker> oki
[02:38] <godbyk> daker: when it is syncing, it updates every 30 minutes, though.
[02:38] <daker> thanks
[02:42] <humphreybc> this is really hard to find where the bugs are because the page numbers are all out after that big bzr problem
[02:49] <humphreybc> godbyk could you please update the ubuntu-manual-draft.pdf asap so that bug reporters aren't getting page numbers wrong
[02:49] <humphreybc> because everything is different now
[02:49] <humphreybc> omg who wrote the scanning section
[02:49] <humphreybc> =|
 the page numbers aren't *wrong*, you just have to look at the same revision as the bug reporters are.  handily, there's a link on the front page of our site where you can download a copy. :-)
[02:51] <godbyk> I'll upload a new revision if you give me the all-clear on the bzr stuff being okay.
[02:51] <humphreybc> i think the bzr stuff is okay now
[02:51] <godbyk> but you should also consider than then we will have to look at two versions of the manual to confirm/fix bugs instead of just one.
[02:51] <godbyk> (though it will help reduce dupes)
[02:52] <humphreybc> we'll need to otherwise we'll have everyone reporting the same bugs in the prologue
[02:52]  * humphreybc thinks this could turn into a right mess
[02:52] <godbyk> have bug fixes been made and committed/pushed to bzr? or are they still sitting on someone's hard drive?
[02:52] <humphreybc> hang on
[02:52] <humphreybc> i'll push in a sec
[02:52] <humphreybc> but jamin's pushed his
[02:52] <humphreybc> bryan has changed anything yet
[02:53] <godbyk> basically: if the bug is flagged as fixed in the spreadsheet, it needs to be fixed in whatever version I pull from bzr.
[02:53] <humphreybc> i'm committing and pushing now, hold up
[02:53] <humphreybc> yup
[02:53] <humphreybc> so we need to push regularly
[02:53] <godbyk> yes. and be careful not to step on each others' toes.
[02:54] <godbyk> And keep an eye on Sayantan's commits. ;-)
[02:54] <humphreybc> lol
[02:54] <godbyk> there are a couple bugs in his that I'm gonna fix real quick when you're done.
[02:54] <humphreybc> okay i just pushed up to 539
[02:54] <godbyk> that revision number may confuse people, but oh well.
[02:55] <humphreybc> yeah
[02:56] <godbyk> maybe we should put a halt on people committing this week except for those who have been assigned specific bugs or daker working on the website.
[02:56] <humphreybc> yeah maybe
[02:57] <godbyk> Apparently someone (*cough*Sayantan*cough*) didn't read about how to insert screenshots properly.  They left off the captions, so instead, it'll use the first letter of the next sentence as the caption.
[02:57] <godbyk> Fixing now.
[02:58] <humphreybc> oh
[02:58] <humphreybc> far out
[02:58] <godbyk> And when I get done with that, I'm gonna send an email to the list about common errors that I keep seeing.
[02:58] <humphreybc> awesome
[02:58] <godbyk> I don't want to file a bug for each and every quotation mark that's wrong.
[02:58] <godbyk> I'll go insane first.
[02:59] <godbyk> I may do some crazy global find-and-replaces on the thing before pushing out a new PDF.
[02:59] <godbyk> It'll depend on how involved they are.
[02:59] <humphreybc> kk
[02:59] <humphreybc> does anyone use tomboy notes in Lucid?
[03:00] <godbyk> haven't tried 'em in lucid yet.
[03:00] <godbyk> haven't done anything in lucid yet, actually.
[03:01] <godbyk> though I caught myself looking for the close button on the right. :)
[03:02] <humphreybc> haha
[03:03] <cjohnston> o
[03:03] <cjohnston> o/
[03:03] <humphreybc> hi
[03:03] <humphreybc> godbyk, cjohnston is going to help us triage and fix bugs
[03:03] <humphreybc> he firstly will need an @ubuntu-manual.org email address to access the spreadsheet
[03:03] <godbyk> cool
[03:03] <humphreybc> then you'll have to install latex
[03:03] <godbyk> gimme his full name and email address and I'll set that up.
[03:03] <humphreybc> cjohnston: for now, just the next couple of days, if you could help us triage and assign bugs in the spreadsheet that would be good
[03:03] <cjohnston> humphreybc: just aptitude install latex
[03:04] <cjohnston> k
[03:04] <godbyk> then point him at the authors page on the wiki to get everything setup there.
[03:04] <humphreybc> cjohnston: nope, we use a later version of latex that's not in the repos
[03:04] <humphreybc> cjohnston: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/authors
[03:04] <cjohnston> godbyk: Chris Johnston chrisjohnston@ubuntu.com
[03:06] <godbyk> cjohnston: I've emailed you the login info.
[03:07] <cjohnston> k
[03:07] <godbyk> cjohnston: follow these steps to get started with editing: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/authors
[03:07] <godbyk> during the tex live 2009 installation, make sure you enable the "create symlinks" option.
[03:07] <humphreybc> cjohnston: once you've got your @ubuntu-manual.org email set up, join us in the spreadsheet:
[03:07] <humphreybc> http://spreadsheets.google.com/a/ubuntu-manual.org/ccc?key=0AiussLy2MfjjdHRrYlR0Q0RMRXRTaXJuR2w0QjFUcXc&hl=en
[03:07] <godbyk> otherwise you'll be talking to me again when things don't work. :)
[03:08] <cjohnston> ok
[03:12] <humphreybc> godbyk what's the latex command to enter a tilde? ~
[03:12] <godbyk> \texttilde
[03:13] <humphreybc> I think there's a bug in google spreadsheet
[03:13] <humphreybc> the auto colouring just stops working after 100 rows
[03:13] <cjohnston> why are yall not just using LP bugs?
[03:13] <humphreybc> cjohnston: long story
[03:13]  * godbyk sighs
[03:14] <humphreybc> you'll see why when you see the spreadsheet
[03:14] <humphreybc> after all this is over, i'll write a post on why we didn't use launchpad
[03:14] <godbyk> I should just write a blog entry about it so I can point people there. :)
[03:14] <humphreybc> and how we saved time :)
[03:14] <humphreybc> haha that's what I'm going to do!
[03:14] <godbyk> whoops
[03:15] <godbyk> Ctrl+W'd on the wrong window!
[03:15] <godbyk> focus should follow my gaze, dang it!
[03:16] <cjohnston> I don't see how its possible
[03:16] <humphreybc> lol
[03:16] <cjohnston> maybe im just so used to LP
[03:16] <humphreybc> possible to what? save time? or follow your gaze?
[03:16] <cjohnston> save time
[03:16] <humphreybc> ah right
[03:16] <humphreybc> well maybe you'll learn something :P
[03:17] <godbyk> 1. It's easier for people to report bugs. They don't have to have a launchpad account, log in, fill out fields that don't really matter.
[03:17] <godbyk> 2. It's easier for us to deal with the bugs. We get bugs reported in a consistent way and in a meaningful way to us.
[03:17] <humphreybc> + a bunch of other reasons
[03:17] <godbyk> 3. Saves both parties time as we skip the whole, 'Hey, thanks for reporting a bug, but you forgot to tell us all these details.'
[03:17] <humphreybc> but all of that will be covered in a blog post at some poiont
[03:18] <godbyk> humphreybc: anything else that needs to go into the new PDf or shall I push it to the website?
[03:18] <humphreybc> blah just push it
[03:18] <godbyk> you're so cavalier!
[03:19] <cjohnston> run straight off of main correct?
[03:19] <humphreybc> yea
[03:19] <humphreybc> we're badass
[03:22] <cjohnston> how do yall pick bugs?
[03:23] <humphreybc> Jamin is assigned to prologue through chapter 3
[03:23] <humphreybc> I'm taking on chapters 4, 5 and 6
[03:23] <godbyk> humphreybc: new pdf should be up now.
[03:23] <humphreybc> Bryan is doing 7, 8 and 9
[03:23] <humphreybc> godbyk wicked
[03:23] <godbyk> humphreybc: and test.ubuntu-manual.org should point to daker-test now.
[03:23] <humphreybc> cool
[03:24] <cjohnston> what should I do
[03:24] <humphreybc> cjohnston: basically if you could start assigning stuff to people
[03:25] <humphreybc> so from line 186 onwards, there is no one assigned
[03:25] <cjohnston> ok
[03:25] <cjohnston> so assign based on chapter?
[03:25] <humphreybc> so you need to look at the page number of the bug, find out what chapter it's in, then assign it to one of us three and colour code the box (it's supposed to colour code automatically bug google spreadsheet has a bug)
[03:25] <humphreybc> yep
[03:25] <humphreybc> and check for duplicates as you go
[03:25] <cjohnston> why does the reporter not just include the chapter?
[03:26] <humphreybc> if you find a duplicate, cross it off and in the notes/fixed part type "duplicate"
[03:26] <humphreybc> because godbyk thought that was a silly idea :P
[03:26] <cjohnston> :-Puh huh
[03:26] <godbyk> unless it's a formatting or artwork issue, then it's assigned to either me or thorwil
[03:26] <humphreybc> yeah latex bugs are for godbyk
[03:26] <humphreybc> art are for thorwil
[03:27] <humphreybc> one downside of using a spreadsheet for bug tracking is lack of duplicates recognition
[03:27] <humphreybc> so we have lots of duplicates
[03:27] <godbyk> cjohnston: because we're trying to make it as easy for bug reporters as possible. and the chapter number doesn't appear on the page they're looking at.
[03:27] <humphreybc> but that's something the triagers should pick up :P
[03:27] <godbyk> and 'cause it's only helpful in assigning the bug to someone. the page number gets you where you need to go in the end. :)
[03:28] <godbyk> well, finding duplicates is pretty easy when you start fixing the bugs. you'll figure out pretty quickly if you've already fixed it.
[03:28] <humphreybc> yeah
[03:28] <godbyk> so it's not as vitally important that it be flagged in the spreadsheet.
[03:28] <humphreybc> had the whole tilde missing bug three times now
[03:28] <humphreybc> hopefully that'll be the last of that one now that the new PDF is pushed
[03:30] <godbyk> humphreybc: it won't be, 'cause you didn't fix it.
[03:30] <humphreybc> balls
[03:30] <humphreybc> i must have fixed it after i pushed it
[03:30] <humphreybc> oh well
[03:30] <humphreybc> it's an easy one to recognize as a duplicate
[03:30] <godbyk> Now did I or did I not verify like three times that you were ready?  :-P
[03:31] <cjohnston> is there a page that lists who gets what?
[03:31] <humphreybc> shush
[03:31] <humphreybc> cjohnston: nope
[03:32] <daker> humphreybc, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?contributors
[03:32] <humphreybc> first 4 chapters to Jamin
[03:32] <humphreybc> middle three to me
[03:32] <humphreybc> last three to Bryan
[03:32]  * humphreybc has fixed all his assigned bugs! YEA!
[03:33] <cjohnston> am I supposed to verfiy and assign?
[03:33] <humphreybc> verify they're not duplicates
[03:33] <cjohnston> umm
[03:34] <humphreybc> lol
[03:34] <humphreybc> don't worry about it for now
[03:34] <humphreybc> as you go you'll come across some you've already seen
[03:34] <humphreybc> just make sure they're assigned to the right people
[03:34] <cjohnston> which are you, yellow or grean
[03:34] <godbyk> don't worry so much about dupes
[03:34] <cjohnston> green
[03:34] <cjohnston> what the crap
[03:34] <humphreybc> cjohnston: green
[03:34] <cjohnston> looks yellow to me
[03:34] <cjohnston> lol
[03:34] <humphreybc> huh?
[03:34] <humphreybc> Jamin is yello
[03:35] <humphreybc> I'm green
[03:35] <humphreybc> Bryan is light blue
[03:35] <cjohnston> you said jamin is the first 4 chapter, but yet someone is changing those to green
[03:35] <humphreybc> anything page number 0 - 97 is Jamin
[03:36] <humphreybc> 95 sorry
[03:36] <cjohnston> ok
[03:36] <humphreybc> Bryan is 127 - 147
[03:36] <cjohnston> not hte pagenumber then
[03:36] <cjohnston> the
[03:36] <humphreybc> and i'm 95 - 127
[03:37] <humphreybc> cjohnston: look at M3
[03:37] <humphreybc> cell M3
[03:37] <humphreybc> those are the page numbers
[03:37] <humphreybc> so anything that falls in 95 - 127, you assign to me
[03:38] <cjohnston> M3?
[03:38] <cjohnston> D?
[03:38] <humphreybc> no
[03:38] <humphreybc> column M
[03:38] <humphreybc> row 3
[03:38] <humphreybc> top right of the spreadsheet
[03:39] <cjohnston> http://img697.imageshack.us/i/screenshotubuntumanuale.png/
[03:39] <cjohnston> column d
[03:40] <humphreybc> that should be assigned to me
[03:40] <cjohnston> what should
[03:40] <humphreybc> the thing you've highlighted in the screenshot
[03:40] <cjohnston> no
[03:40] <cjohnston> i was talking just about the column
[03:40] <cjohnston> not the bug and not the row
[03:40] <humphreybc> oh
[03:40] <humphreybc> wait i'm confused
[03:40] <humphreybc> scroll to the right and have a look at column M, row 3
[03:41] <cjohnston> oooo
[03:41] <humphreybc> I have put the names of the people to assign stuff to, and the page numbers
[03:41] <cjohnston> now i see it
[03:41] <cjohnston> lol
[03:41] <cjohnston> okie
[03:41] <humphreybc> so anything between 0 - 95 goes to Jamin
[03:41] <humphreybc> etc
[03:41] <cjohnston> i thought you were telling me where to find the page # for each bug
[03:41] <humphreybc> no
[03:42]  * humphreybc wishes the stupid auto color thing would work
[03:42] <cjohnston> it does for me
[03:42] <humphreybc> really?
[03:42] <humphreybc> i suppose that's good then
[03:42] <cjohnston> si
[03:43] <cjohnston> no more bragging about having all your assigned bugs complete
[03:43] <humphreybc> loil
[03:43] <humphreybc> i know
[03:43]  * daker is going to sleep ,its 3:43
[03:43] <cjohnston> stop that
[03:44] <cjohnston> ill do it and itll have colr
[03:44] <humphreybc> oh cool nisshh is here now
[03:44] <humphreybc> he can help you :P
[03:44] <nisshh> who?
[03:45] <humphreybc> nisshh, cjohnston is helping assign bugs now
[03:45] <humphreybc> we have like 319 now
[03:45] <nisshh> oh cool
[03:45] <humphreybc> yep
[03:45] <nisshh> i saw
[03:45] <humphreybc> i've fixed a few
[03:45] <nisshh> ok
[03:46] <nisshh> does cjjohnston have access to the spreadsheet yet?
[03:46] <humphreybc> yes
[03:46] <humphreybc> he's working on it now
[03:46] <nisshh> ok cool
[03:46] <nisshh> listen iv got to go out ut ill be back in about 3 hours tops yea?
[03:47] <daker> godbyk, http://ubuntu-manual.org/?contributors si fixed
[03:47] <humphreybc> kk
[03:47] <humphreybc> daker, don't forget to update the text on the main page and the downloads page
[03:47] <daker> what text ?
[03:48] <humphreybc> daker: I've changed a lot of the text
[03:48] <humphreybc> in the mockups
[03:48] <humphreybc> /website/source/index.png etc
[03:48] <humphreybc> you'll need to reflect the change in the actual website
[03:48] <humphreybc> and don't forget to have dashes in the feature list, like this -
[03:49] <humphreybc> right now it's:
[03:49] <humphreybc> Easy to understand our manual has step by step instructions and is jargon free
[03:49] <humphreybc> but we need:
[03:49] <humphreybc> Easy to understand - our manual has step by step instructions and is jargon free
[03:49] <daker> this is what godbyk says to me
[03:49] <humphreybc> also, can you have the main text left justified
[03:49] <humphreybc> so we don't have gargantuan spacing between some words
[03:50] <daker> oki
[03:50] <daker> ;)
[03:50] <daker> i am going to sleep :)
[03:50] <godbyk> back
[03:50] <daker> 3:50
[03:51] <daker> see you tomorro :)
[03:51] <humphreybc> kk
[03:51] <humphreybc> thanks
[03:51] <humphreybc> :)
[03:52] <daker> we are in tomorro :)
[03:52] <humphreybc> hey so godbyk, what have you got planned for formatting and colouring of the font etc?
[03:53] <humphreybc> also, should we be using a sans font for the main text?
[03:53] <godbyk> who? what? huh?
[03:53] <humphreybc> well at the moment the manual looks pretty dreary
[03:53] <godbyk> formatting and coloring of what fonts? where?
[03:53] <humphreybc> no colour in the font
[03:53] <humphreybc> like section headers/chapter headers etc
[03:54] <humphreybc> and formatting of commands like \button and \keyboardinput or whatever
[03:54] <godbyk> the commands are formatted.. though some may change a bit.
[03:54] <humphreybc> and when is it going back to non-book style?
[03:54] <godbyk> (I don't like how much bold we have. It's a little distracting.)
[03:54] <humphreybc> yeah we have a tonne of bold
[03:54] <humphreybc> can we please colour the section and subsection headers?
[03:55] <godbyk> I've just been making all the commands bold for now 'til I see what we end up with.
[03:55] <humphreybc> at the moment it's far too black and white
[03:55] <godbyk> Then I'll change them.
[03:55] <humphreybc> if you can use some colours from the title page to make it look pretty, that would be good
[03:55] <godbyk> It's not a kaleidoscope, it's a manual. It's meant to be read, not admired from afar.
[03:55] <humphreybc> :'(
[03:55]  * humphreybc likes colours
[03:56] <godbyk> you also like drop shadows, but I'm not putting those in either! :)
[03:56] <humphreybc> I liked the maroon we had going on in the section headers
[03:56] <humphreybc> can you put some aubergine in there? dark orange or something?
[03:56] <humphreybc> at the moment it looks far too much like the Canonical desktop guide
[03:57] <humphreybc> ie, boring and commercial
[03:57] <godbyk> So far you haven't given me a good reason to.  You've just said, 'I like color.  Can you throw some color in somewhere?'
[03:57] <godbyk> Colored text should serve a purpose.  It's used to highlight things and draw attention.
[03:57] <godbyk> Give me some examples of where you would use color to good effect and why.  Then we'll talk. :)
[03:58] <humphreybc> are the hyperlinks going to stay red?
[03:58] <godbyk> I don't yet.  thorwil gave me a new palette to work with, but I haven't plugged them in yet.
[03:58] <humphreybc> kk
[03:58] <humphreybc> use that new pallete :)
[03:59] <godbyk> I think the links should be colored so people notice they can click on them from the pdf. But they have to be a dark enough color that they're readable when printed in greyscale.
[03:59] <humphreybc> indeed
[03:59] <humphreybc> we also need a key at the end of the prologue
[03:59] <godbyk> could you file a bug about that in launchpad and assign it to me? I keep forgetting. :-(
[04:00] <humphreybc> kk
[04:00] <humphreybc> the texttilde command broke the build
[04:00] <humphreybc> i think i did it wrong
[04:00] <godbyk> what'd it say? err msg?
[04:00] <humphreybc> ! LaTeX Error: Command \texttilde unavailable in encoding EU1.
[04:01] <godbyk> oh, nice.
[04:01] <godbyk> eh, assign that bug to me and I'll look into it.
[04:01] <humphreybc> should i push and let you fix it?
[04:01] <godbyk> don't push, I'll look at it here.
[04:01] <humphreybc> kk
[04:01] <godbyk> just tag it with my name in the spreadsheet
[04:01] <humphreybc> righto
[04:02] <humphreybc> what's the correct name for the "key" ?
[04:03] <godbyk> Nomenclature?
[04:03] <humphreybc> okay
[04:03] <godbyk> global bug: fix the capitalization of the headings.
[04:04] <humphreybc> are they still screwed?
[04:04] <godbyk> personally, I think the chapter headings should be title case, and the section headings should be sentence case.
[04:04] <godbyk> also, weren't we going to rename some of the chapters?
[04:04] <humphreybc> yeah we were
[04:04] <humphreybc> I was thinking about that
[04:04] <humphreybc> where's Ilya gone?
[04:05] <godbyk> I think he's hiding.
[04:05] <godbyk> I haven't seen him for a while.
[04:05] <humphreybc> lol
[04:05] <humphreybc> he's a smart guy
[04:06] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: You here?
[04:06] <humphreybc> yep
[04:06] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: awesome
[04:06] <sebsebseb> you so got to read what I am reading
[04:06] <humphreybc> oh?
[04:06] <sebsebseb> ,but first let me finnish reading comments before I link you
[04:06] <godbyk> sebsebseb: uh oh.. good or bad?
[04:06] <sebsebseb> godbyk: well false info about the manual
[04:06] <humphreybc> =\
[04:06] <sebsebseb> seems some people think Canonical have done it
[04:06] <humphreybc> hja
[04:07] <sebsebseb> and that paid writers have done it even
[04:07] <humphreybc> must mean we're doing a good job...?
[04:07] <godbyk> this? http://jjesse.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/not-working-w-community-a-respone-to-a-post-from-jono/
[04:07] <humphreybc> I've seen a few blog posts and stuff that reckon this is an official thing
[04:07] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: also is there some sort of lawyer for the manual?  I guess not,  so not sure what a comment on the second page is about
[04:07] <godbyk> oh, wow
[04:07] <humphreybc> huh?
[04:07] <humphreybc> nah we don't have a lawyer :P
[04:08] <godbyk> do we need one?! :)
[04:08] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: well that's on the second page
[04:08] <humphreybc> what?
[04:08] <godbyk> link us
[04:08] <humphreybc> that's the license
[04:08] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: i'll link you soon, just going ot finnish it off first the comments nearly there
[04:08] <humphreybc> oh you mean the 2nd page of this mysterious article
[04:09] <humphreybc> godbyk, reading your article
[04:11] <sebsebseb> humphreybc:  godbyk here http://blogs.computerworld.com/15784/the_new_ubuntu_linuxs_five_best_features
[04:11] <sebsebseb> http://blogs.computerworld.com/15784/the_new_ubuntu_linuxs_five_best_features
[04:12] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: the second  comment page, but the first mentions manual as well
[04:12] <humphreybc> we saw that the other day, didn't look at the comments though
[04:13] <godbyk> Wait a minute.. if you guys are getting paid, I want in! <grin>
[04:14] <humphreybc> hahaha
[04:14] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: anyway the beta or test version of the manual
[04:14] <humphreybc> so where is the important comments i need to read?
[04:14] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: I still haven't downloaded it
[04:14] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: oh I guess there aren't really any
[04:14] <sebsebseb> except something about a laywer on second page
[04:14] <sebsebseb> and the manual being propritary
[04:15] <sebsebseb> unless they are refering to some other manual of course
[04:15] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: also I like the correct info,  from Steven J. Vaghen Nicholas's articles, he hasn't done it here
[04:15] <sebsebseb> regarding the manual
[04:15] <godbyk> who's Matthew East?
[04:16] <godbyk> humphreybc: they really start on the second page.
[04:16] <humphreybc> one of the ubuntu doc leaders
[04:16] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: ok ok gimme a chance to read
[04:17] <sebsebseb> There's a community to,  it's not all Canonical....
[04:18] <sebsebseb> godbyk: I am behind on Linux Tech news, catching up here and there,  been reading  quite a bit of  negative Ubuntu 10.04 stuff recently.  People wanting to leave it for other distros, because of  Shuttleworths response to the buttons on the left, and that kind of thing.
[04:18] <humphreybc> megh
[04:19] <sebsebseb> Also I think ideally it would be better for people to know that the manual  is from the community rather than Canonical.
[04:19]  * humphreybc just responded to guy claiming we're paid
[04:19] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: :)
[04:19] <Vitito> lol
[04:19] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: is the comment on there yet though?
[04:20] <humphreybc> no idea
[04:20] <humphreybc> does it have to be approved?
[04:20] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: maybe, I don't know
[04:20] <godbyk> I don't see it yet
[04:20]  * godbyk is bummed now that he's not getting paid. :(
[04:20] <humphreybc> ha
[04:20] <humphreybc> me too
[04:21] <sebsebseb> maybe someone should do a comment saying it's from the community not Canonical,  I am not bothered enough though to do it myself, well I might.
[04:21]  * godbyk is obviously working on the wrong manual project!
[04:21] <humphreybc> hahaha
[04:21] <humphreybc> yeah didn't you hear?
[04:21] <humphreybc> #ubuntu-manual-paid
[04:21] <godbyk> lol
[04:21] <humphreybc> that's where they get paid
[04:21] <humphreybc> :(
[04:21] <godbyk> I'm jumping ship and switching to the paid manual project.  Forget you guys!
[04:21] <humphreybc> i guess it has to be approved or something
[04:21] <humphreybc> haha
[04:22] <godbyk> there also seems to be this notion that we're official' in some capacity.
[04:22] <godbyk> not sure where that's coming from either.
[04:22] <sebsebseb> well ideally want it part of the ISO, but I guess that won't happen
[04:22] <godbyk> not yet, at least.
[04:23] <humphreybc> we'll be on the CD for 10.10
[04:23] <humphreybc> in some way or another
[04:23] <humphreybc> yeah no idea where the official thing came from
[04:23] <humphreybc> i never mentioned official anywhere
[04:23] <sebsebseb> well generally it seems for example that loads of people think Ubuntu did this and that
[04:23] <sebsebseb> when really it was upstream for example
[04:23] <humphreybc> i think there is a lot of misunderstanding
[04:24] <sebsebseb> so I guess it's a bit like this, for the manual as well
[04:24]  * humphreybc tried posting his comment twice, not working
[04:24] <sebsebseb> people think it was Canonical, but really it was the community
[04:24] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: I guess needs to be accepted
[04:24] <humphreybc> maybe it means we're so awesome people don't believe that volunteers did it
[04:24] <sebsebseb> and that will take some time I guess
[04:25] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: well not all of us were making the manual,  I wasn't for example, however I did tell someone about it who has been making it.
[04:25] <sebsebseb> anyway yeah  the beta I still haven't seen that
[04:25] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: by the way Lubuntu is rather nice
[04:25] <humphreybc> yeah i know
[04:25]  * humphreybc is a writer for OMG! Ubuntu!
[04:25] <sebsebseb> the beta of the manual that is above
[04:25] <godbyk> sebsebseb: you can grab the latest copy at http://ubuntu-manual.org
[04:25] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: you can download the manual here, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual
[04:25] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: yes I have seen you put stuff on there
[04:25] <humphreybc> big orange button
[04:25] <godbyk> humphreybc: that's old now, right?
[04:26] <humphreybc> godbyk nah
[04:26] <sebsebseb> godbyk: what's old?
[04:26] <humphreybc> it should have the same link as ubuntu-manual-draft.pdf
[04:26] <humphreybc> this guy seems to think the docs team are god
[04:26] <humphreybc> http://jjesse.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/another-ubuntu-doc-response-get-involved/
[04:26] <godbyk> ok
[04:26] <godbyk> he's on the docs team.
[04:26] <humphreybc> what's his name?
[04:27] <godbyk> J. Jesse? :)
[04:27] <humphreybc> and really, really, anyone who thinks we're a Canonical project are crazy. Would a Canonical project have a silly Live Ubuntu Manual progress meter with the letters "OMG!" on it in silly writing?
[04:27] <humphreybc> and have 66.1337% as a value one time?
[04:27] <humphreybc> lol
[04:27] <godbyk> Jonathan
[04:27] <humphreybc> Jonathan Jesse?
[04:28] <humphreybc> never heard of him
[04:28]  * humphreybc has heard of a lot of people
[04:32] <humphreybc> cjohnston: how'd you go with setting up latex?
[04:33] <humphreybc> hey godbyk, do you remember what we were going to change the names to for some chapters?
[04:33] <godbyk> humphreybc: I'd have to look again. Let me finish this blog entry first.
[04:33] <godbyk> (I'll have you read the draft.)
[04:33] <humphreybc> what's the blog entry on?
[04:34] <humphreybc> why we're using a spreadsheet instead of launchpad?
[04:34] <godbyk> yeah
[04:34] <humphreybc> kk
[04:34] <humphreybc> include that screenshot of the spreadsheet
[04:35] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/spreadsheet.png
[04:35] <godbyk> k
[04:43]  * humphreybc is going to fix the headers
[04:43] <godbyk> humphreybc: I'd recommend having chapter titles use title case and section headings use sentence case.
[04:44] <humphreybc> really?
[04:44] <humphreybc> but title case is so unnatural and ugly
[04:44] <humphreybc> honest!
[04:44] <godbyk> sentence case for the chapter headings just looks weird.
[04:44] <humphreybc> give me a better reason than "just weird"
[04:44] <humphreybc> :P
[04:45] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/23/clearing-up-some-misunderstanding/
[04:45] <humphreybc> anything I've missed?
[04:45] <godbyk> They just look better on the right, damn it!
[04:45] <godbyk> Oh, wait, wrong argument.
[04:45] <humphreybc> hahaha
[04:45] <godbyk> lemme look
[04:46] <godbyk> Capitalize "Internet".
[04:46] <godbyk> I don't know if we're 'endorsed' or what form that 'endorsement' may take.
[04:46] <godbyk> Use a semicolon instead of the comma in the second bullet point
[04:46] <humphreybc> huh?
[04:46] <humphreybc> woah grammar nazi alert
[04:47] <godbyk> Heh.. have you seen the bugs I've been posting? :)
[04:47] <humphreybc> yes, yes I have
[04:47] <humphreybc> I fixed a couple of them
[04:47] <humphreybc> okay, refresh.
[04:47] <godbyk> I don't know what 'single-page PDF' means
[04:47] <humphreybc> I need something better than "What this guide is not" cos that sucks balls
[04:48] <humphreybc> yes you do
[04:48] <godbyk> "in good intentions" -> "with good intentions"
[04:48] <humphreybc> double-up printing would be different, where you have two pages to every A4
[04:48] <humphreybc> what's the technical name for having one page per A4 page
[04:48] <godbyk> A single-page PDF is a PDF that contains only one page.
[04:49] <godbyk> I don't know.  I'd guess it'd be one-up.
[04:49] <humphreybc> okay
[04:49] <humphreybc> now
[04:49] <godbyk> But that's awkward too
[04:49] <humphreybc> give me a better section header for "What this guide is not"
[04:49] <godbyk> "Linux barrier" -> "barrier"
[04:49] <humphreybc> maybe just "About this guide"
[04:49] <godbyk> Or "barrier to entry to Linux" maybe?
[04:50] <godbyk> the current phrasing makes it sound like Linux is the barrier.
[04:50] <humphreybc> okay okay
[04:50] <humphreybc> good
[04:50] <humphreybc> thanks for the english lesson :)
[04:50] <humphreybc> now, moving on
[04:50] <godbyk> "About this guide" would be better as long as you're talking about more than what the guide isn't.
[04:50] <godbyk> Or just drop the section heading and let it all flow together.
[04:50] <humphreybc> it's now about this guide
[04:50] <humphreybc> oh true
[04:50] <humphreybc> that could work
[04:50] <humphreybc> hey
[04:50] <humphreybc> you changed it back to indentation
[04:51] <humphreybc> instead of paragraph spacing
[04:51] <humphreybc> grr
[04:51] <godbyk> Hmm.. that probably happened when I went from book to tufte-book.
[04:51] <godbyk> I think the indentation looks nice. :)
[04:52]  * humphreybc doesn't agree
[04:52]  * humphreybc likes paragraph spacing as much as drop shadows
[04:52] <godbyk> lol
[04:53] <humphreybc> is Gnome GNOME or Gnome?
[04:53] <godbyk> I'm not sure what it is these days.
[04:53] <humphreybc> oh it's all caps
[04:53] <humphreybc> from System > About GNOME
[04:53] <godbyk> is that the official word?
[04:54] <godbyk> Looks like it's GNOME all over gnome.org
[04:54] <godbyk> I might set GNOME in small-caps, though. I dunno yet.  Have to see how things look.
[04:55] <humphreybc> so, for the chapter "Working with Ubuntu" do you suggest we have it "Working With Ubuntu?"
[04:57] <godbyk> No, it'd be "Working with Ubuntu"
[04:57] <humphreybc> okay good
[04:57] <godbyk> the chapter headings (in title case) would be:
[04:57] <godbyk> Prologue
[04:58] <godbyk> Installation
[04:58] <godbyk> Around Your Desktop
[04:58] <godbyk> Working with Ubuntu
[04:58] <godbyk> Preferences and Hardware
[04:58] <godbyk> Software and Packaging
[04:58] <godbyk> The Command Line
[04:58] <godbyk> Security
[04:58] <godbyk> Troubleshooting
[04:58] <godbyk> Learning More About Ubuntu
[04:58] <godbyk> License
[04:58] <godbyk> Credits
[04:58] <godbyk> Index
[04:59] <godbyk> I don't remember what all our suggestions were for renaming, but a few that come to mind:
[04:59] <godbyk> Around Your Desktop --> The Ubuntu Desktop   (this one doesn't bug me too much though)
[05:00] <godbyk> Preferences and Hardware -->  I don't know, but there's not much about preferences (from the section headings, at least)
[05:01] <godbyk> Software and Packaging --> drop the packaging.. that means nothing.  "Software Management" perhaps?
[05:01] <godbyk> the others are okay at first glance.
[05:01]  * godbyk will never finish his blog post at this rate!
[05:04] <humphreybc> okay i've fixed up the chapters and headings
[05:04] <godbyk> that didn't take long
[05:04] <humphreybc> most of them were okay
[05:04] <humphreybc> tell me how to fix the tilde thing please
[05:05] <godbyk> I don't know yet. I'll have to look into it.
[05:06] <humphreybc> okay I just commented it for now
[05:06] <godbyk> \texttilde usually works, but apparently not under XeTeX.
[05:06] <humphreybc> so it doesn't break the build
[05:06] <godbyk> you can temporarily use $\sim$ if you want.
[05:06]  * humphreybc thinks the Hardware drivers section is a ginormous bunch of text
[05:41] <happyaron> how to translate ubuntu-manual.org?
[05:43] <godbyk> Hello, happyaron.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/translators should get you started.
[05:45] <humphreybc> godbyk, he means the website
[05:45] <happyaron> yup, website
[05:46] <happyaron> regarding the manual itself, I wonder whether Chinese is able to be rendered using TeX
[05:47] <godbyk> ah, good question.
[05:47] <godbyk> I'm not sure what the status of the website translation stuff is at the moment.
[05:47] <godbyk> I haven't set up the Chinese translation stuff for TeX yet. It's on my list of things to do.
[05:48] <happyaron> oh
[05:48] <godbyk> So far we haven't had many translations for Chinese, so it's been a lower priority for me.
[05:48] <godbyk> happyaron: If you send a message to our mailing list, we'll have someone get in touch with you about translating the website.
[05:49] <happyaron> godbyk: some members in Simplified Chinese team are starting to translate the manual, but we are not sure whether it is useful
[05:49] <godbyk> I know the site is designed to be translated (it's using gettext), but I don't know if they've uploaded the .pot file yet or if the text has been finalized.
[05:49] <happyaron> oh
[05:49] <godbyk> happyaron: Cool.  If you translate it, I'll find a way to make it work. :)
[05:49] <sebsebseb> happyaron: By the way what's the difference between simplied chinese, and well chinese?
[05:49] <happyaron> that's good
[05:49] <sebsebseb> simpflified
[05:50] <happyaron> sebsebseb: simplified is being used in China mainland, and traditional in Hongkong, Taiwan, etc.
[05:51] <sebsebseb> happyaron: oh,  so which is the original?
[05:51] <sebsebseb> happyaron: Which was first?
[05:52] <happyaron> neither of them is the original, but traditional one is more likely to the original one
[05:53] <sebsebseb> happyaron: oh ok,  but why aren't the other counteries using the same one as China?
[05:54] <happyaron> sebsebseb: most of people using Chinese in other countries are migrate from Hongkong, Taiwan and south China, who have the tradition to use Traditional Chinese, :)
[05:55] <sebsebseb> happyaron: oh ok
[05:55] <sebsebseb> happyaron: As for the manual and the website for it, being translated into different  languages, I guess the more, the better.
[05:56] <happyaron> sebsebseb: I suggest to have it translate to Simplified/Traditional, but not only leave a Chinese
[05:56] <happyaron> because the usage are quite different
[05:56] <sebsebseb> happyaron: but not only leave a Chinese?
[05:57] <happyaron> I meant, there is only a selection named "Chinese"
[05:58] <happyaron> but neither Simplified nor Traditional Chinese can represent "Chinese"
[05:58] <happyaron> the should be two different selection in the list
[05:58] <sebsebseb> I guess if there's going to be one Chinese language version,  there should be the other as well really, Simplified and Traditional.
[05:58] <humphreybc> cough
[05:58] <humphreybc> !ot
[05:58]  * happyaron *they
[05:58] <humphreybc> AWH MANUAL BOT
[05:58] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: yeah where's the bot
[05:58] <humphreybc> may have died
[05:58] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: and yes it was
[05:58] <sebsebseb> off topic
[06:01] <sebsebseb> happyaron:  I meant for the manual and website,  probably better to have both Simplified and Traditonal,  but haveing only one is better than none.
[06:02] <happyaron> yes, I see
[06:02] <happyaron> I am sure Simplified Chinese team is translating, but don't know Traditional one
[06:07] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: Only some of that was off topic actsualley, but the factoid message :) unless it's been changed since...
[06:10] <godbyk> cjohnston: Did I miss any of the arguments that I gave you earlier?  http://kevin.godby.org/2010/03/22/ubuntu-manual-bug-tracking/
[06:16] <godbyk> humphreybc: When you renamed the chapter labels, you have to fix all the \chaplink and \ref commands that refer to that label, otherwise the links break.
[06:17] <humphreybc> bollocks
[06:17] <humphreybc> was kinda hoping they'd fix themselves magically
[06:18] <godbyk> if you leave the \label command alone, they would've.
[06:19] <godbyk> \label is like the variable name.. it can point at anything, but if you change the name of the variable, all bets are off.
[06:19] <humphreybc> ah
[06:20] <humphreybc> my bad
[07:29] <nisshh> hey again
[07:30] <godbyk> hey, nisshh
[07:31] <nisshh> cjohnston: nice job with the assigning
[07:37] <humphreybc> now just to actually fix them :S
[07:38] <humphreybc> nisshh: if you want something else to do, you can help with the index and/or glossary
[07:40] <nisshh> ok, what needs doing there?
[07:41] <humphreybc> godbyk, what's the best way Ryan can help with the Index or Glossary?
[07:41] <godbyk> Read through the manual and decide what words should have entries in the glossary.
[07:41] <godbyk> Add those entries to the frontmatter/glossaryentries.tex file
[07:42] <godbyk> See the email I sent a while back about glossary entries.
[07:43] <nisshh> ok, thanks
[07:44] <nisshh> what kind of words should be in the glossary?
[07:44] <humphreybc> definitions of stuff that a new user wouldn't know
[07:44] <humphreybc> so like, Gnome, applet, package
[07:44] <humphreybc> etc
[07:44] <nisshh> ok got it
[07:45] <nisshh> oh, crap i just remembered that i did a forced fresh install of lucid yesterday
[07:45] <nisshh> so all my tex live stuff is gone
[07:46] <nisshh> ill have to install all the make dependencies again
[07:46] <humphreybc> fun :P
[07:46] <nisshh> arrh
[07:46] <nisshh> hehe
[07:47] <humphreybc> you got a fast internet connection?
[07:47] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: That's one big manual, with many lacking screen shots.  Plus I have some text feedback.
[07:48] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: It's so big I am not done reading yet :D
[07:48] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: That's a good thing though,  that it's big.
[07:48] <sebsebseb> Covers a lot
[07:48] <nisshh> my net connection should be ok, i got all the stuff installed in about 2 hours last time
[07:50] <humphreybc> sebsebseb: heh
[07:50] <humphreybc> sebsebseb, submit your feedback at http://ubuntu-manual.org otherwise it'll get lost
[07:50] <humphreybc> i know we're right here and it seems easier to tell us now, but trust me, we'll forget if it's not in the spreadsheet
[07:52] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: It was just little things,  plus there are channel logs, and  submitting to that site would mean signing up I guess,  I don't really want to bother doing that.
[07:52] <humphreybc> you don't need to sign up :)
[07:52] <humphreybc> http://ubuntu-manual.org/?bugs
[07:52] <humphreybc> just fill out the form and hit submit
[07:52] <humphreybc> we don't have time to trawl through channel logs sorry sebsebseb
[07:52] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: ok, but not right now
[07:53] <humphreybc> sure
[07:53] <nisshh> godbyk: i shouldnt have problems installing texlive 2009 this time since i enabled "create symlinks" in the script this time
[07:54] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: or  I might not bother :D  not sure yet
[07:54] <humphreybc> you should bother, every little bit helps :)
[07:55] <sebsebseb> humphreybc: oh yeah the cover uh
[07:55] <sebsebseb> that's nothing like what I saw before
[08:14] <humphreybc> looks like the bug reports have slowed down a bit
[08:16] <nisshh> not for long probably :)
[08:19] <humphreybc> godbyk, should we include http:// in \url{} 's?
[08:20] <godbyk> yeah, we should.
[08:20] <humphreybc> neat
[08:20] <godbyk> the links won't work otherwise.
[10:19] <humphreybc> hi thorwil, TommyBrunn, ubuntujenkins!
[10:21] <nisshh> ok, im compiling the latest revision now, should be good to go in a minute
[10:21] <humphreybc> nisshh: oresome
[10:21] <ubuntujenkins> hello humphreybc
[10:22] <nisshh> humphreybc: where is the glossary?
[10:23] <humphreybc> nisshh: at the end
[10:23] <humphreybc> lol
[10:23] <nisshh> what? its not funny!
[10:23] <humphreybc> godbyk, teach nisshh how to do glossary stuff pl0x
[10:24] <nisshh> not my fault if humphreybc made th glossary hard to find
[10:24] <nisshh> :)
[10:24] <humphreybc> hey don't look at me
[10:24] <humphreybc> it was godbyk
[10:24] <nisshh> hehe
[10:24] <nisshh> all i can see is the index
[10:24] <nisshh> no glossary
[10:24] <godbyk> I just put it where it's meant to go. :-)
[10:25] <nisshh> must be me then lol
[10:25] <godbyk> nisshh: page 155.
[10:25] <godbyk> between the license and credits
[10:26] <nisshh> lol its not even listed in the ToC
[10:26] <nisshh> it should be
[10:26] <nisshh> found it anyway
[10:26] <humphreybc> yay it's daker
[10:26] <nisshh> omg! daker! woooooo!
[10:26] <daker> good morning :)
[10:27] <nisshh> uh, that would be evening for me
[10:27] <daker> nisshh, hhh
[10:27] <nisshh> meh
[10:29] <nisshh> godbyk: where is the .tex file with the glossary in it?
[10:30] <godbyk> nisshh: define new glossary entries in frontmatter/glossaryentries.tex
[10:30] <godbyk> but they won't appear in the glossary unless you've invoked them in the document proper.
[10:31] <nisshh> i noticed, alot are in the tex file but not in the pdf
[10:31] <godbyk> See this: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg00925.html
[10:34] <nisshh> godbyk: in the manual you just have a \printglossaries command, which does not seem to entirely work
[10:34] <nisshh> look in /backmatter/glossary.tex
[10:34] <godbyk> nisshh: In what way?
[10:35] <godbyk> It works as expected here.  What isn't it doing?
[10:35] <nisshh> well in frontmatter/glossary-entries.tex you have about 7 or 8 entries right?
[10:35] <godbyk> yep
[10:35] <nisshh> but when i run make, it only shows one glossary entry
[10:36] <godbyk> Correct.
[10:36] <nisshh> why?
[10:36] <godbyk> That's because only one of the entries was linked to in the text.
[10:36] <godbyk> (The others used to be linked to, but someone removed the links somewhere along the way.)
[10:36] <nisshh> should i relink them?
[10:36] <godbyk> Sure.
[10:36] <nisshh> ok how do i do that?
[10:37] <thorwil> hi!
[10:37] <nisshh> thorwil: hey
[10:37] <godbyk> I've been creating bugs when I think we should create a glossary entry. See http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AiussLy2MfjjdHRrYlR0Q0RMRXRTaXJuR2w0QjFUcXc&hl=en.
[10:37] <godbyk> For a super-short tutorial, see my email: https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg00925.html
[10:37] <godbyk> Otherwise, run 'texdoc glossaries' for the whole story.
[10:40] <nisshh> hmmm, i dont really get how it works still
[10:40] <nisshh> can you elabrate a bit?
[10:41] <godbyk> I can give you a quick run-down.
[10:41] <nisshh> yes please!
[10:42] <godbyk> First, before anything else happens, we have to define the glossary entries using the \newglossaryentry command.  These are stored in the frontmatter/glossaryentries.tex file.
[10:42] <nisshh> right
[10:42] <godbyk> Then, in the main document, we have to tell LaTeX which glossary entries we're using.
[10:42] <godbyk> We can have a huge dictionary, but only reference a couple words in it.
[10:42] <nisshh> by main document, what do you mean?
[10:43] <godbyk> all the other .tex files
[10:43] <godbyk> .the chapters
[10:43] <godbyk> the main text
[10:43] <nisshh> ok i get it so far
[10:44] <godbyk> So if we have an entry for Canonical, we could say, "\gls{Canonical} is the creator of Ubuntu."
[10:44] <nisshh> yep
[10:44] <godbyk> Then LaTeX will see the \gls command and know that it needs to include the Canonical entry in the glossary
[10:45] <godbyk> Finally, at the end, we say \printglossaries to output the glossary itself.
[10:45] <nisshh> oh, i think i get it now
[10:45] <godbyk> So \printglossaries will only output the entries that we've specified with \gls and friends.
[10:45] <nisshh> so the \gls command can be in any of the chapter .tex files?
[10:45] <nisshh> in any sentence?
[10:46] <godbyk> Yes.
[10:46] <godbyk> But it will actually print the word.
[10:46] <nisshh> ah right
[10:46] <godbyk> So you don't want to just toss it about.
[10:46] <nisshh> ok
[10:46] <nisshh> so if i had a sentence say "Canonical is the creator of ubuntu."
[10:47] <godbyk> The email (https://lists.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/msg00925.html) covers a few of the variations of the \gls command.
[10:47] <nisshh> i just add a glossary entry
[10:47] <nisshh> yea ok
[10:47] <godbyk> And if you want too much more detail, you'll have to run 'texdoc glossaries' and read the docs.  I haven't read through them all yet. :)
[10:47] <godbyk> I read just enough to get it set up initially.
[10:47] <nisshh> and then say this in the sentence "\gls{Canonical} is the creator of ubuntu."
[10:48] <godbyk> yep
[10:48] <nisshh> and it will add it to the glossary?
[10:48] <godbyk> precisely.
[10:48] <nisshh> oooohhhhkkkkaaaayyyyy
[10:48] <nisshh> lol latex can take a bit of thinking sometimes
[10:48] <godbyk> Said another way, Canonical will *not* be added to the glossary *unless* \gls{Canonical} is in the document someplace.
[10:48] <godbyk> Yeah, it takes a bit of getting used to
[10:49] <nisshh> yea
[10:49] <godbyk> But generally there are good reasons for doing it the way they do.
[10:49] <godbyk> In this case, you could have one huge set of \newglossaryentry commands that you use for all your papers and it will only print the ones you actually use in any particular paper.
[10:49] <nisshh> oh yea and if i say "\gls{Canonical}" somewhere in the main document it will still print the word canonical in the pdf?
[10:50] <godbyk> yes.
[10:50] <godbyk> and it will link the word Canonical to the glossary so you can click on it.
[10:50] <nisshh> ok il have a crack at linking them in now
[10:51] <nisshh> thanks for the explanation
[10:51] <godbyk> np
[10:52] <nisshh> oh, one more question, so for a word in the glossary say "applet" should i be linking every mention of the word applet to the glossary? or can i just do one and it will do the rest?
[10:52] <godbyk> I wouldn't link every word.
[10:53] <godbyk> I would link maybe the first occurrence in each chapter at the most.
[10:53] <nisshh> ok, ill do that
[10:53] <nisshh> if anyone thinks of anything to add to the glossary give me a yell
[10:54] <godbyk> nisshh: look through the bugs in the spreadsheet. I mentioned a few things there.
[10:54] <nisshh> ok cool
[10:54] <nisshh> ill link the current ones then go there
[11:07] <semioticrobotic> time for squashing
[11:08] <humphreybc> yay, bryan!
[11:08] <humphreybc> go hard :)
[11:09]  * daker pushed up the 545 rev
[11:12] <daker> humphreybc, do you have the text version of the "Special thanks" section?
[11:15] <humphreybc> daker no sorry
[11:16] <daker> :s
[11:21] <semioticrobotic> ready to push a revision
[11:22] <humphreybc> cool
[11:22] <semioticrobotic> 546 committed
[11:22] <humphreybc> semioticrobotic: we'll need to be committing and pushing quite often
[11:22] <humphreybc> so we don't have conflicts
[11:23] <semioticrobotic> humphreybc: that's what I figured, so I'll push every few minutes or so
[11:23] <humphreybc> neat
[11:23] <semioticrobotic> maybe every two or three revisions
[11:23] <humphreybc> every 20 minutes should work okay
[11:24] <humphreybc> we are all editing different chapters
[11:24] <semioticrobotic> and after lunch today, I'll complete my superedit of Chapter 7
[11:24] <humphreybc> so there shouldn't be a problem even if there is a conflict
[11:24] <humphreybc> awesome
[11:24] <semioticrobotic> ok
[11:24] <humphreybc> i'm going to print the manual tomorrow at uni
[11:24] <semioticrobotic> then 7, 8, and 9 will have complete superedits
[11:24] <humphreybc> and then go through the whole thing with a red pen
[11:24] <semioticrobotic> nice
[11:24] <humphreybc> then spend the next few days fixing things
[11:25] <semioticrobotic> sounds good
[11:25] <nisshh> im kind of getting used to the window buttons on the left, its not so bad
[11:26] <godbyk> I'd recommend pushing after every commit to avoid potential conflicts (and merges).
[11:26] <humphreybc> oh yeah
[11:27] <nisshh> and make sure to pull changes all the time too
[11:27] <humphreybc> i just commit and push in one thing
[11:27] <humphreybc> to me, they're the same
[11:27] <godbyk> right, except they're not. :)
[11:27] <godbyk> I've committed and forgotten to push before.
[11:27] <humphreybc> so when I say commit, I mean commit and push, when I say push, I mean commit and push :)
[11:27] <godbyk> and with that, I'm off to bed.
[11:27] <humphreybc> lol
[11:27] <humphreybc> night!
[11:30] <nisshh> godbyk: you still there?
[11:30] <godbyk-android> Kinda. What's up?
[11:30] <humphreybc> godbyk is always here
[11:30] <humphreybc> ... lurking
[11:31] <nisshh> how can i link a glossary entry if say the word applet is like "\emph{applet}"
[11:31] <nisshh> humphreybc: lol
[11:31] <godbyk> nisshh: \emph{\gls{applet}}
[11:32] <nisshh> thanks, ill try that
[11:33] <nisshh> oh, the first mention of the word applet is "applet's"
[11:33] <nisshh> can i still link it>
[11:35] <godbyk-android> Try \gls{applet}'s
[11:35] <nisshh> right
[11:36] <nisshh> hang on a sec compiling
[11:38] <nisshh> works great, thanks godbyk
[11:38]  * humphreybc was thirsty, skulled a bottle of beer. not thirsty anymore.
[11:38] <nisshh> i should be ok for now if you want to get some sleep
[11:38] <nisshh> humphreybc: lol!
[11:38] <humphreybc> nisshh, you're now on the glossary. have fun!
[11:39] <nisshh> hehe
[11:39] <nisshh> humphreybc: how many bugs reported now?
[11:39] <humphreybc> a cool 358
[11:39] <nisshh> oh not many yet
[11:39] <humphreybc> what did I say we'd get to by the end of the bug reporting period?
[11:40] <humphreybc> that's almost two bugs per page
[11:40] <humphreybc> which isn't good enough
[11:40] <nisshh> hehe
[11:40] <humphreybc> I want zero bugs in my manual. :)
[11:40] <humphreybc> If I find an apostrophe missing after the writing freeze I think i'll pop a blood vessel
[11:40] <nisshh> yea but we both know there are going to be heaps and heaps
[11:40] <nisshh> lol
[11:40] <daker> lol
[11:40] <humphreybc> no! It has to be perfect come final release day!
[11:41] <nisshh> i bet we will
[11:41] <humphreybc> if it's perfect everyone will be like "WOW"
[11:41] <humphreybc> wow, i'm actually using a sizable about of gmail space
[11:41] <humphreybc> 672MB (9%)
[11:41] <nisshh> ooohhh
[11:41] <humphreybc> amount*
[11:42] <nisshh> at one point last year i hadnt cleaned out my inbox for over a year and had 42000 emails
[11:42] <nisshh> no kidding
[11:42] <humphreybc> lol
[11:42] <daker> humphreybc, James Holland ?
[11:43] <nisshh> i was like "WHAT?!?!"
[11:43] <humphreybc> no idea who james holland is
[11:43] <humphreybc> there's Josh Holland... which is dutchie
[11:43] <semioticrobotic> evil twin?
[11:43] <nisshh> hehe
[11:43] <humphreybc> haha
[11:43] <humphreybc> what has James Holland done?
[11:43] <daker> haha
[11:44] <daker> nothing he sends a email to me from FB :)
[11:44] <nisshh> FB?
[11:44] <daker> FaceBook
[11:44] <nisshh> oh, sorry im a shunner of facebook :)
[11:44] <humphreybc> oh
[11:44] <humphreybc> daker
[11:44] <humphreybc> check out the ubuntu manual team facebook page
[11:44] <nisshh> i have
[11:45] <nisshh> we had like 600 fans or something
[11:45] <humphreybc> what'd the email say?
[11:45] <humphreybc> nah i mean the latest post I just did
[11:45] <nisshh> oh lol
[11:45] <humphreybc> will explain the email to daker
[11:45] <daker> "Great work on the website, well done"
[11:45] <humphreybc> haha
[11:46] <humphreybc> "The Ubuntu Manual:- Everyone thank Adnane Belmadiaf for his awesome work making the website mockups into reality!"
[11:46] <daker> haha
[11:46] <humphreybc> :P
[11:47] <daker> i'll become famous
[11:47] <humphreybc> you may do!
[11:47] <humphreybc> nisshh, plenty of places for glossary entries from stuff in chapter 5
[11:48] <humphreybc> repositories, packages, libraries, dependencies, Software Center, PPA, application etc
[11:48] <humphreybc> those are just a few
[11:48] <humphreybc> get crackin!
[11:48] <nisshh> lol wow im going to be up all night
[11:48] <humphreybc> i'll probably pull an all nighter on Saturday
[11:49] <humphreybc> and then work all sunday too
[11:49] <nisshh> im going through the ones already there now and then godbyks
[11:49] <humphreybc> cool
[11:49] <nisshh> THEN ill add more
[11:49] <nisshh> i have college till friday but dont stress out about the glossary, ill get it done still
[11:51] <humphreybc> nisshh: awesome
[11:51] <humphreybc> we have until next wednesday..
[11:51] <humphreybc> another week yet
[11:54] <humphreybc> what chapter talks about internet connection setup?
[11:54] <ubuntujenkins> 3 i think
[11:55] <ubuntujenkins> yep its 3 "Working with ubuntu"
[11:56] <humphreybc> cheers
[11:56] <ubuntujenkins> np
[11:59] <nisshh> wow, far out, the word package is mentioned about a billion times in the manual
[11:59] <humphreybc> indeed
[12:00] <nisshh> oh and evince has a terrible search function
[12:00] <humphreybc> i know
[12:00] <humphreybc> it sucks eh
[12:00] <nisshh> does anyone know of a better pdf reader?
[12:00] <humphreybc> nope
[12:00] <humphreybc> lol
[12:01] <nisshh> meh well that was helpful of you lol
[12:01] <humphreybc> we need more usage of the warning icons etc
[12:01] <nisshh> ill look in the repos
[12:01] <humphreybc> you know, the yellow road signs
[12:01] <nisshh> yea
[12:01] <humphreybc> at the moment only a couple of chapters use them
[12:01] <nisshh> yea iv seen about 4 uses or so
[12:02] <humphreybc> nisshh: my definition of a package is pretty shit
[12:02] <humphreybc> feel free to improve on it
[12:02] <humphreybc> also, change the number of employees at Canonical from 200 to 310.
[12:02] <nisshh> ok
[12:03] <nisshh> yep
[12:03] <nisshh> holy crap, someone put the word kernel in the manual
[12:04] <humphreybc> lol
[12:04] <humphreybc> where?
[12:04] <nisshh> just ONCE!
[12:04] <nisshh> in a freakin margin note
[12:04] <humphreybc> was it me?
[12:04] <nisshh> hang on
[12:04] <nisshh> not you
[12:04] <nisshh> its on page 115
[12:04] <humphreybc> well that's okay
[12:04] <nisshh> lol
[12:04] <ubuntujenkins> page 113 software management
[12:05] <nisshh> na ah page 115
[12:05] <nisshh> do you have the latest revision?
[12:05] <ubuntujenkins> ops it is page 115
[12:06] <ubuntujenkins> in dual mode with 4 pages showing
[12:06] <nisshh> hehe
[12:06]  * ubuntujenkins loves his big screen
[12:06] <humphreybc> lol
[12:07] <humphreybc> how big is it?
[12:07]  * semioticrobotic is jealous
[12:07] <ubuntujenkins> 22 inch 1080p
[12:07]  * humphreybc bought another Dell 24" today
[12:07]  * nisshh giggles
[12:07] <humphreybc> well, last week
[12:07] <humphreybc> so now i'll have two 24"
[12:07] <semioticrobotic> I'm doing my editorial work on an Acer Aspire 1410 with 11.6-inch screen
[12:07] <ubuntujenkins> I want another one to make three
[12:07] <humphreybc> albeit they won't be sitting beside each other in dual screen
[12:07] <semioticrobotic> totally awesome
[12:07]  * humphreybc will remember to take photo
[12:08] <humphreybc> check out the spreadsheet, Mark Hepworth hates me
[12:08] <nisshh> hehe
[12:08] <semioticrobotic> if we can push the manual to the public in advance of writing freeze, I think our benevolent dictator should buy monitors for the team
[12:09] <ubuntujenkins> +1
[12:09] <nisshh> im going to leave the word package unlinked for now, since the first mention is in the words "Synaptic Package Manager"
[12:09] <nisshh> +1
[12:09] <humphreybc> hahaha
[12:09] <nisshh> ill have a 30" thanks
[12:10] <semioticrobotic> +1
[12:10] <humphreybc> i'll remember to tell him that next time I talk to him
[12:10]  * semioticrobotic laughs
[12:10]  * nisshh giggles like a girl
[12:10] <semioticrobotic> dude, hepworth is a machine
[12:10]  * humphreybc does actually chat to mark once every few days
[12:10] <humphreybc> hepworth IS a machine!
[12:10]  * nisshh just realises i said that out loud
[12:10] <humphreybc> lol
[12:11] <nisshh> hehe
[12:11]  * humphreybc can't wait to see the printed version of the manual tomorrow
[12:11]  * humphreybc and to get his greasy hands on it with a red pen
[12:12] <ubuntujenkins> thats going to cost a fortune to print
[12:12] <humphreybc> i'll get it done at Uni
[12:12] <ubuntujenkins> at uni that would cost me £9.78
[12:12] <humphreybc> hopefully it won't cost too much
[12:12] <humphreybc> maybe $10
[12:12] <ubuntujenkins> in black and white double sided
[12:12] <humphreybc> awh boo, our post quality has gone from 5 stars to 4 stars on facebook
[12:13] <humphreybc> it's been at 5 stars ever since we opened the account
[12:13] <ubuntujenkins> how is it worked out?
[12:13] <humphreybc> no idea
[12:13] <humphreybc> how many people like your posts?
[12:13] <nisshh> okay, very funny, who put wubi in the glossary but not in the rest of the manual?
[12:13] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[12:13] <humphreybc> ha!
[12:13] <humphreybc> it was in the installation chapter
[12:13] <humphreybc> but is currently commented out
[12:14] <nisshh> lol leave it ill deal with it later
[12:14] <nisshh> ok on to godbyks stuff
[12:14] <semioticrobotic> if you were closer, humphreybc, I'd print a copy for you with my faculty and ship it to you
[12:14] <humphreybc> look at the latest UMP status update on facebook
[12:14] <semioticrobotic> ... but that's be just as expensive as your printing costs, I'm afraid
[12:14] <humphreybc> semioticrobotic: haha
[12:14] <humphreybc> and shipping?
[12:14] <humphreybc> lol
[12:14] <semioticrobotic> exactly
[12:15] <humphreybc> "The Ubuntu Manual Everyone! Bad news! Our facebook "post quality" has dropped down to 4 stars! It's been 5 stars ever since we started this fan page. I think it's based on how many "likes" your post gets, so, everyone, like everything! Including this! Like this!"
[12:15] <humphreybc> "The Ubuntu Manual likes this"
[12:15] <semioticrobotic> ha!
[12:15] <nisshh> hehe
[12:16] <humphreybc> I must admit, our new logo looks awesome
[12:16] <semioticrobotic> love it
[12:16] <semioticrobotic> hey -- is anyone in charge of discovering duplicate bugs before they hit the spreadsheet?
[12:16] <humphreybc> nope
[12:17] <humphreybc> you can't do that
[12:17] <humphreybc> because form goes straight to spreadsheet
[12:17] <ubuntujenkins> I pick any up I can when asinging people
[12:17] <nisshh> has to be done in the spreadsheet
[12:17] <semioticrobotic> oh, right, I know -- I was just wondering if anyone was vetting these before they
[12:17] <semioticrobotic> no big deal, of course ... I'm just encountering lots of duplicates
[12:18] <humphreybc> yeah
[12:18] <humphreybc> you will get lots of duplicates
[12:18] <humphreybc> just mark them as duplicates and move on
[12:18] <humphreybc> i think the manual is looking pretty good... for 160 pages long in 3 months we've done pretty well
[12:18] <humphreybc> from scratch, too
[12:19] <semioticrobotic> i must agree!  and I'm a latecomer, of course
[12:19] <humphreybc> :)
[12:20] <humphreybc> haha, the like status is getting liekd
[12:20] <humphreybc> liked*
[12:20]  * ubuntujenkins is shouting at glade
[12:20]  * daker saw a woman name in the Special Thanks section
[12:20] <humphreybc> lol
[12:20] <humphreybc> OMG!
[12:21] <humphreybc> lol @ ubuntujenkins
[12:21] <humphreybc> you just liked everything :P
[12:21] <daker> lol
[12:21] <ubuntujenkins> I did indeed
[12:23] <nisshh> bugger, got a conflict when i pulled, how do i resolve them?
[12:24] <humphreybc> bzr merge
[12:24] <nisshh> ok
[12:24] <humphreybc> we're 4 fans away from having 700 on facebook. that's pretty gnarly.
[12:24]  * daker is asking who is the 700 fans of the UMP page
[12:24] <humphreybc> I'm aiming for 10,000 downloads of the manual on the first day of launch, the 29th April.
[12:25] <daker> awesome
[12:25]  * ubuntujenkins writes script to download it :-P
[12:25] <humphreybc> hahaha
[12:28] <humphreybc> daker, did you make all new buttons for the wiki?
[12:28] <daker> yeah
[12:28] <humphreybc> haha
[12:28] <humphreybc> nice work, they look good
[12:28] <daker> thanks
[12:28] <nisshh> oh great
[12:28] <humphreybc> although you should probably make the font size smaller in the programmer button
[12:28] <daker> oki
[12:28] <humphreybc> the padding (or lack of) at either end annoys me
[12:29] <humphreybc> :P
[12:29] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/contributions
[12:29] <humphreybc> (for those who haven't seen the new contributions page)
[12:29] <nisshh> i pulled, then got conflicts now i cant commit till i resolve them and cant resolve conflics till i commit my changes
[12:29] <humphreybc> LOL my compiz is being super weird
[12:29] <nisshh> freakin brilliany
[12:29] <nisshh> t
[12:29] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: whats the message you get?
[12:30] <nisshh> well i got a conflict in the prologue when i pulled
[12:30] <nisshh> to rev 550
[12:30] <nisshh> and i cant commit my changes till i resolve the conflics
[12:30] <nisshh> apparently
[12:31] <nisshh> but i cant resolve the conflics until i commit
[12:31] <ubuntujenkins> go thought the file and work out which bits you want to keep or not then do bzr resovle <Filename> i think
[12:31] <nisshh> wtf?
[12:32] <nisshh> im in a deadlock
[12:32] <nisshh> i either lose my changes or i cant do anything
[12:32] <humphreybc> hm
[12:32] <humphreybc> odd
[12:32] <humphreybc> first, backup your changes
[12:32] <humphreybc> you may have to delete the branch and re branch it
[12:33] <ubuntujenkins> then do bzr conflicts
[12:33] <nisshh> backing up my changes could be hard
[12:33] <nisshh> they are everywhere
[12:33] <ubuntujenkins> copy the whole branch to a new folder
[12:34] <humphreybc> yeah
[12:34] <nisshh> ok
[12:34] <ubuntujenkins> ie ubuntu-manual-old
[12:34] <humphreybc> just copy everything into a backup folder
[12:34] <humphreybc> did you get the merge conflict when pulling my revision
[12:34] <humphreybc> ?
[12:35] <nisshh> i got it when i went from about 546 to 550
[12:36]  * ubuntujenkins hates glade
[12:37] <humphreybc> hm
[12:37] <humphreybc> weird
[12:37] <nisshh> its ok im branching now
[12:38] <nisshh> omg now i need a fresh ssh key
[12:38] <humphreybc> lol
[12:38] <humphreybc> http://www.kryogenix.org/days/2007/07/02/the-community-o-meter
[12:39] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[12:39] <nisshh> WOW...
[12:39] <nisshh> thats really good
[12:39] <nisshh> im going to blog about that
[12:39] <humphreybc> lol
[12:39] <nisshh> hehe
[12:39] <nisshh> jono will probably post a comment
[12:40] <nisshh> oi! thats not funny nisshh!
[12:40] <humphreybc> lol
[12:40] <humphreybc> I like his comment on Stuart's post
[12:40] <humphreybc> "Shouldn't you be working or something, Langridge?"
[12:40] <nisshh> havent seen it
[12:40] <nisshh> hehe
[12:40] <nisshh> have you seen the shot of jaq podcast
[12:41] <nisshh> its great
[12:41] <humphreybc> nah haven't listened to it yet
[12:41] <semioticrobotic> ha!  nice!
[12:41] <semioticrobotic> nisshh, everything resolved?  I'm ready to push some changes
[12:42] <nisshh> not yet
[12:42] <nisshh> need an ssh key dammit
[12:42] <semioticrobotic> okay
[12:43] <semioticrobotic> I love how some bug reports tend to be less grammatically correct than the "bugs" they seem to be reporting
[12:43] <nisshh> lol funny isnt it?
[12:44] <humphreybc> haha
[12:44] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: do you have a branch of quickshot to hand?
[12:45] <nisshh> humphreybc: nearly done
[12:46] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: ?
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc:or any one can you update quickshot and od a screnshot of these windows http://imagebin.org/90005 http://imagebin.org/90006 they look different but they are set the same and i want to see if it is my computer
[12:48] <ubuntujenkins> you can get to the second one by clicking next on the first screen
[12:48] <humphreybc> i haven't even looked at the quickshot branch in weeks, and i'm heading to bed now :)
[12:48] <humphreybc> it's 2am
[12:48] <ubuntujenkins> ok cool np
[12:48] <ubuntujenkins> night o/
[12:48] <humphreybc> chow
[12:49] <semioticrobotic> later
[12:57] <semioticrobotic> nisshh, how are things coming along?
[12:57] <semioticrobotic> can I commit some changes now?
[13:03] <semioticrobotic> ??
[13:09] <nisshh> sorry i had to fix the branch
[13:09] <nisshh> should be ok to commit and push your changes now
[13:09] <nisshh> make sure you pull the latest first
[13:11] <semioticrobotic> okay, thanks
[13:11] <semioticrobotic> just pushed
[13:11] <semioticrobotic> hopefully we're good to go
[13:11] <nisshh> yea i hate it when the branch breaks
[13:12] <semioticrobotic> how does that happen?
[13:12] <nisshh> when someone forgets to pull before they commit and push the branch "diverges"
[13:13] <nisshh> and it can happen other ways too
[13:13] <semioticrobotic> gotcha
[13:13] <semioticrobotic> looks like my commits pushed without trouble
[13:13] <semioticrobotic> thanks
[13:13] <semioticrobotic> but something does seem amiss
[13:14] <nisshh> what
[13:14] <semioticrobotic> I think a recent push of mine was support to bump us to revision 551
[13:14] <semioticrobotic> but that appears to be your stuff
[13:14] <semioticrobotic> a subsequent commit was numbered 553, and that looks fine
[13:14] <nisshh> yea i know
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> but my changes are still there?
[13:15] <nisshh> but my stuff was going to be < 550
[13:15] <nisshh> yes
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> okay
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> I might not be able to wrap my head around the logic, but I trust the system
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> lol
[13:15] <nisshh> i pushed someone elses up as well
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> okay, cool
[13:15] <nisshh> lol probably yours
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> ah!
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> yes, they are
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> lol
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> 552 is all my changes
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> (whew)
[13:16] <nisshh> hehe
[13:16] <nisshh> yea 551 are mine
[13:16] <semioticrobotic> okay, thanks for clarifying that for
[13:16] <semioticrobotic> for a moment I saw the last hour of my life disappear before my eyes ... lol
[13:17] <nisshh> lol
[13:18] <semioticrobotic> okay, I'm off
[13:18] <semioticrobotic> take it easy
[14:14] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: can you give me the link for the fr branch of the screenshots i am on a windows pc and lanuchpad is rubish in interent exploer
[15:42] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, lp:~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-screenshots/fr
[15:42] <Red_HamsterX> Unless you mean the web-side.
[15:42] <Red_HamsterX> Which you probably do.
[15:43] <Red_HamsterX> https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-screenshots/fr
[15:45] <ubuntujenkins> thanks Red_HamsterX
[16:32] <daker> 707 fans awesome!!!
[16:44] <donri> Lovely project you've got here.
[16:46] <donri> "Additional repositories are available from site such as nd Launchpad PPAs" page 125
[16:46] <donri> Also noticed Flickr spelled "flikr" at least twice, where Gwibber is documented.
[16:48] <donri> The lower header sizes are somewhat too similar and it's not obvious from their sizes that the next section regards a new topic.
[16:51] <donri> Any estimates on what a print on demand will cost?
[16:53] <donri> Someone should sell prints bundled with shipit-like pressed CDs. :)
[16:55] <donri> re header sizes: I'm at page 128, "Setting up a secure system" and "Firewall" look like the same heading levels, but I'm guessing "Firewall" is a subsection to "Setting up a secure system". This is not obvious from their sizes.
[17:01] <donri> Page 128 also typo: "Preconfigued"
[17:02] <donri> and missing a space: "simpletab"
[17:14] <donri> On page 134, a normal prompt is used where we're actually root (rescue mode).
[17:14] <donri> Also, would one not want a screenshot instead of the example "root@something#" text block?
[17:21] <dutchie> netbook + android 3g tethering = irc from car
[18:11]  * dutchie wonders why there are about 15 million blank pages
[18:11] <ubuntujenkins> what?
[18:13] <dutchie> title page, blank page, page with date, blank page, contents, blank page, prologue
[18:13] <dutchie> don't think all those are needed
[18:13] <ubuntujenkins> true they may be caused by laytex automatically
[18:16] <dutchie> godbyk can sort it when he has a spare moment ;)
[18:17] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: If I remove the chapter folders form the branches will it break anything as far as your code goes?
[18:19] <Red_HamsterX> It will make things easier for me.
[18:19] <Red_HamsterX> But no, it will not break anything.
[18:19] <ubuntujenkins> cool I will do i have written the script to remove them automatically
[18:19] <ubuntujenkins> I will aslo get all the languages compele tonight
[18:19] <Red_HamsterX> Can I help?
[18:20] <ubuntujenkins> well if you like can you make the new branches for the missing languages?
[18:20] <ubuntujenkins> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-screenshots?field.lifecycle=ALL
[18:20] <ubuntujenkins> that is all the ones so far
[18:21] <ubuntujenkins> any new ones need a folder added to lp:ubuntu-manual-screenshots as well
[18:21] <Red_HamsterX> Necessary stupid question: how can I create a branch and make it public?
[18:21] <ubuntujenkins> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-screenshots click regiter branch
[18:22] <ubuntujenkins> then set the owner to ubuntu manual team
[18:22] <ubuntujenkins> the name is just the short language code
[18:22] <ubuntujenkins> we shall delete the en_GB and make it just en
[18:22] <Red_HamsterX> Hosted on Launchpad?
[18:23] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[18:23] <Red_HamsterX> en_GB/en_CA/en_US -> en?
[18:23] <ubuntujenkins> I think so I will be interested to see if we can find a difference
[18:23] <Red_HamsterX> Americans like to misspell words.
[18:24] <Red_HamsterX> And they have weird rules about punctuation.
[18:24] <ubuntujenkins> True it does depend on how quickshot detects the languages, lets make seperate one
[18:24] <Red_HamsterX> I don't see why we could just have a mapping in Quickshot.
[18:24] <Red_HamsterX> couldn't*
[18:25] <Red_HamsterX> Just a lookup dictionary.
[18:25] <Red_HamsterX> Got a link to the list of languages we still need?
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> all languages can be found at builds.ubuntu-manual.org
[18:26] <Red_HamsterX> Yay.
[18:26] <ubuntujenkins> you have to crate a blank folder in you user and go to it in the command line and type bzr init
[18:27] <ubuntujenkins> there shoudl be about 5-10 missing
[18:27] <ubuntujenkins> then do bzr push bzr push lp:~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual-screenshots/$language where language is the laguage you just made
[18:28] <ubuntujenkins> make sense?
[18:29] <Red_HamsterX> Yep.
[18:30] <Red_HamsterX> Like an initial commit for svn.
[18:31] <ubuntujenkins> cool you may have to use an option something LIKE --use-current-dir when you do the next one
[18:32] <daker> godbyk, !!!
[18:32]  * ubuntujenkins thinks we should do a canwedoscreenshotsyet.com site like the http://isthemusicstorereadyyet.com/
[18:33] <daker> lol
[18:34] <titeuf_87> the answer is a yes with a * after it. Below the page the * should show that it's only possible for one or two cases
[18:35] <ubuntujenkins> I only say it as we have lots of people wanting to do it over the last few days
[18:36] <titeuf_87> I'll work more on it and try to get a workable version done as soon as possible.
[18:37] <titeuf_87> Although lately whenever I'm programming and my sister runs in my room she wants me to teach her how to code too.
[18:37] <ubuntujenkins> its fine its good to see people so keen
[18:37] <daker> lol
[18:37] <titeuf_87> She's only eight and already learning some python, give her some years and she'll be able to help out too!
[18:38] <ubuntujenkins> can you look at the lastest push by me I can't get the three screenresolution windows to look the same. they are set up the same but they look different
[18:38] <titeuf_87> sure
[18:39] <ubuntujenkins> thanks it has been driving me mad i like the one that warns me that we are about to change the reolution but the other suck
[18:39] <ubuntujenkins> *others
[18:40] <titeuf_87> talking about the "resolution change", "nochange" and "success" windows right?
[18:40] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[18:46] <Red_HamsterX> Created en, fi, ms, sv, ta.
[18:46] <ubuntujenkins> will en be for USA?
[18:47] <Red_HamsterX> I assume it'll be for all English.
[18:47] <Red_HamsterX> And we can just add an 'en_*' -> 'en' rule in Quickshot.
[18:47] <Red_HamsterX> America's weird, but it's not like their dialect is unintelligible... yet.
[18:47] <ubuntujenkins> fair enough
[18:47]  * Red_HamsterX was a linguistics minor.
[18:49] <Red_HamsterX> I'm going to write an index page now.
[18:49] <Red_HamsterX> Nothing fancy.
[18:49] <Red_HamsterX> Just a way of quickly viewing status and generating zipfiles for download.
[18:49] <ubuntujenkins> have you filled the branchs?
[18:50] <Red_HamsterX> Filled them with what?
[18:51] <Red_HamsterX> I wrote a simple bash script that inits and pushes them.
[18:51] <Red_HamsterX> And ran it on each one.
[18:51] <Red_HamsterX> Launchpad recongizes them as empty branches.
[18:51] <Red_HamsterX> (As opposed to uninitialized branches)
[18:51] <ubuntujenkins> Are yse makes sense, sorry getting confused
[18:52] <Red_HamsterX> bzr does that.
[18:53] <ubuntujenkins> thanks I am running the script that removes the chapter folders
[18:53] <Red_HamsterX> I noticed.
[18:54] <Red_HamsterX> Looks like it's working.
[18:54] <Red_HamsterX> Based on the branch list status.
[18:54] <ubuntujenkins> Its done and I have shortend a 700+ line script to 15 lines
[18:57] <Red_HamsterX> for i in *; do cd "${i}"; for j in *; do bzr del "${j}"; done; bzr commit -m "Blanked tree"; cd ..; done
[18:57] <Red_HamsterX> Something like that?
[18:57] <ubuntujenkins> thats what my new script looks like
[18:58] <Red_HamsterX> +push
[18:58] <Red_HamsterX> I forgot the push.
[18:59] <ubuntujenkins> hello humphreybc
[18:59] <humphreybc> hiya!
[18:59] <daker> hi humphreybc
[19:00] <humphreybc> hey daker!
[19:00] <daker> the test.ubuntu-manual.org is not sync
[19:00] <daker> also
[19:00] <daker> ubuntu-manual.org
[19:01] <humphreybc> I think godbyk turned off auto-sync for now
[19:01] <humphreybc> he may not have turned it back on yet
[19:01] <daker> oki
[19:02] <donri> Were my above notes received?
[19:03] <ubuntujenkins> silly but how do i get the date command to work date -u %H:%M:%S doesn't work
[19:03] <humphreybc> hmmm?
[19:03] <ubuntujenkins> donri: what notes where did you post them?
[19:04] <donri> I was rambling here about some stuff I noticed while reading the draft.
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> when? was it before 17:32?
[19:05] <donri> Before you joined.
[19:05] <ubuntujenkins> ok then i don't know sorry
[19:05] <ubuntujenkins> they will be in the logs
[19:06] <humphreybc> everything is logged at irclogs.ubuntu.com
[19:06] <donri> http://paste.ubuntu.com/400119/
[19:06] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: I suppose the obligatory answer to your date question is "RTFM"
[19:07] <ubuntujenkins> RTFM whats that mean
[19:07] <humphreybc> donri: cool, thanks for the feedback :)
[19:07] <dutchie> read the fine manual
[19:07] <dutchie> though not always "fine" ;)
[19:07] <humphreybc> "Someone should sell prints bundled with shipit-like pressed CDs." << we're probably going to put it on lulu.com
[19:07] <dutchie> Usage: date [OPTION]... [+FORMAT]
[19:07] <donri> uhm, + <donri> Also, would one not want a screenshot instead of the example "root@something#" text block? (page 134)
[19:07] <ubuntujenkins> The formating is messing it up I can't get the formatt to work
[19:08] <ubuntujenkins> missing the +
[19:08] <humphreybc> ... almost 400 bug reports now
[19:08] <ubuntujenkins> ouch
[19:09] <daker> ouch
[19:10] <donri> Anyway, the manual exhibits high quality, good work people.
[19:10] <humphreybc> yea
[19:10] <humphreybc> donri: thanks!
[19:11] <donri> Proper documentation is essential to the usefulness of any software project.
[19:12] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I am going to make an install cd with quickshot and all the languages already on so users can do screenshots easily
[19:12] <humphreybc> oh really? awesome!
[19:12] <humphreybc> that is super kickass
[19:13] <humphreybc> is quickshot going to be ready by Monday?
[19:13] <dutchie> do we fancy doing a PPA with a daily build?
[19:13] <ubuntujenkins> in a few day I would think so
[19:13] <humphreybc> for quickshot?
[19:14] <dutchie> no, the manual
[19:14] <humphreybc> if you want to set it up dutchie
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> I ment quickshot
[19:14] <humphreybc> sure
[19:14]  * dutchie adds it to the todo list
[19:14] <humphreybc> sweet
[19:15] <daker> humphreybc, is the website's text finalized ?
[19:17] <humphreybc> daker: yes
[19:17]  * humphreybc is pretty sure he hasn't made any spelling errors or typos
[19:17] <daker> in /website/source/ ?
[19:17] <humphreybc> yup
[19:17] <daker> oki
[19:21] <daker> 27 languages for the website
[19:21] <humphreybc> gnarly
[19:25] <humphreybc> right I need to head off
[19:25] <humphreybc> catch ya'll later!
[19:26] <Red_HamsterX> ubuntujenkins, http://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan/screencaps/ (Or, whenit gets updated, the ubuntu-manual.org interface)
[19:26] <humphreybc> cjohnston: make sure you keep on top of those bugs and get them assigned to people :P
[19:26] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: nice
[19:26]  * ubuntujenkins has assigned them all
[19:26] <humphreybc> neat!
[19:26] <Red_HamsterX> It lists all languages for which screencaps have been gathered and the amount of completion relative to the number of dictionary entires.
[19:27] <Red_HamsterX> It looks hideous, but it works and it should let you get at the finished data pretty quickly.
[19:27] <ubuntujenkins> woo as long as it works
[19:27] <humphreybc> sweet as, if you talk to godbyk and daker you could probably pretty easily implement it into the ubuntu-manual frame
[19:27]  * humphreybc thinks that a screenshot page might be in order for the website
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> I'm not sure it needs to be part of the rest of the site.
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> It's just a data-retrieval system right now.
[19:28] <humphreybc> right
[19:28] <ubuntujenkins> also we only want to let certain people to be aloud to aprove the screenshots,
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> Actually, this system doesn't handle that at all.
[19:28] <ubuntujenkins> ie not the whole world
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> It just gives you files with correct filenamesto stick into the branches manually.
[19:28] <Red_HamsterX> I figure we'll all help with that once we have more data.
[19:29] <ubuntujenkins> I know it will help allot
[19:29] <Red_HamsterX> In a purely ideal case, you'd just unzip the archive into a branch, bzr add *, and commit.
[19:29] <Red_HamsterX> And that would be all you'd have to do.
[19:30] <ubuntujenkins> sweet
[19:30] <humphreybc> neato burrito
[19:30] <humphreybc> how's the Quickshot front end coming along?
[19:30] <Red_HamsterX> If there's a screenshot that needs to be replaced, you'd have to pluck it from data/ manually, rename it, and overwrite the bad one.
[19:30] <humphreybc> I haven't had a chance to have a proper look recently
[19:30] <Red_HamsterX> I'll develop better tools as we get more of an idea of how this system gets used in practice.
[19:31] <dutchie> humphreybc: neato burrito? you kiwis are weird...
[19:31] <humphreybc> lol
[19:31] <Red_HamsterX> Burritos are always neato!
[19:31]  * Red_HamsterX Canucks and avoids scrutiny.
[20:05] <daker> godbyk, !!!
[20:06] <daker> godbyk, you turned off auto-sync ?
[20:09] <daker> godbyk, you turned off auto-sync ?
[20:12] <dutchie> daker: give him a chance ;)
[20:12] <daker> dutchie, ok
[20:16]  * dutchie looks into doing a daily build
[20:27] <dutchie> bah, was just about to ping godbyk when he timed out :(
[20:28] <daker> lol
[20:28] <dutchie> and humphreybc's gone too :(
[20:28] <daker> yeap
[20:43]  * ubuntujenkins  also has a question for godbyk
[21:08] <dutchie> christ, the branch has got big recently
[21:09] <luke-quickshot> mattgriffin, I am just doing the sample screenshots are there any in your section?
[21:09] <mattgriffin> luke-quickshot: yes. there are a few in the rbox doc and will be a few in the Ubuntu One section
[21:10] <luke-quickshot> ok what are they?
[21:12] <mattgriffin> luke-quickshot: sorry. are you looking for a list?
[21:12] <luke-quickshot> yes please
[21:13] <luke-quickshot> ad descrition will do
[21:15] <mattgriffin> luke-quickshot: \screenshotTODO{Rhythmbox Toolbar}
[21:15] <mattgriffin> \screenshotTODO{Rhythmbox Side Pane}
[21:15] <mattgriffin> \screenshotTODO{Rhythmbox Toolbar with CD options}
[21:15] <mattgriffin> \screenshotTODO{Podcasts Toolbar with podcast options}
[21:16] <luke-quickshot> mattgriffin, can the top two not be one of the whole window?
[21:16] <mattgriffin> luke-quickshot: yeah. that'll work
[21:17] <luke-quickshot> cool
[21:17] <luke-quickshot> which ones for ubuntu one?
[21:18] <mattgriffin> luke-quickshot: in face the first 3 can be the whole window
[21:18] <mattgriffin> s/face/fact
[21:19] <luke-quickshot> by toolbar with cd options do you mean inserting a cd to rip? or do you mean the cd like button?
[21:19] <mattgriffin> luke-quickshot: so here's the rbox list: \screenshotTODO{Rhythmbox application with a CD inserted}
[21:19] <mattgriffin> \screenshotTODO{Podcasts Toolbar with podcast options}
[21:19] <mattgriffin> luke-quickshot: haven't written the ubuntu one docs yet. writing tonight.
[21:20] <luke-quickshot> ok can you push the rythambox ones asap please
[21:22] <luke-quickshot> whos wrote chapter 8?
[21:24] <mattgriffin> luke-quickshot: pushing rbox docs now
[21:24] <luke-quickshot> thanks mattgriffin that way they can be checked for typos
[21:25] <mattgriffin> coo.
[21:25] <mattgriffin> cool
[21:25] <mattgriffin> ugh... can't type today
[21:26] <luke-quickshot> Red_HamsterX/ titeuf_87 how easy is it to auto bank out the part of a window?
[21:33] <luke-quickshot> *blank
[21:34] <dutchie> ARGH
[21:35]  * dutchie throws the last hour's work in the bin
[21:36] <luke-quickshot> dutchie, I feel your pain
[21:36] <luke-quickshot> any one know why there is no network icon in the quickshot user?
[21:37] <dutchie> OOOOOOOH GOOOOOOOOOOOOOD
[21:41] <luke-quickshot> is Tom Cantara here?
[21:46] <ubuntujenkins> any answers for luke-quickshot can be aimed at ubuntujenkins as it is the same person
[21:47]  * ubuntujenkins has done 25 sample screenshots
[21:47] <daker> goof
[21:47] <daker> d
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk is it possible to make the screenshots that are in the manual also apear in the screeshots log please?
[22:04] <daker> ubuntujenkins, it's not godbyk its godbyk's ghost :)
[22:04] <ubuntujenkins> I think its a sign i should go to bed :-)
[22:04] <daker> may be
[22:05] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie have you got the ppa set up yet?
[22:06] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: nah, that's all the work I just threw in the bin
[22:06] <ubuntujenkins> ok cool I need a screenshot of a ppa so I thought i should use ours. Is there anything i can do to help?
[22:08] <dutchie> nah, no, it's fine
[22:08] <dutchie> I'll sort it in the morning
[22:08] <ubuntujenkins> kk
[22:13] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, what was your question from earlier?
[22:14] <titeuf_87> sorry bit late, but family came over and I couldn't be around
[22:14] <ubuntujenkins> how easy is it to auto bank out the part of a window?
[22:14] <ubuntujenkins> no problem
[22:14] <ubuntujenkins> *blank
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> there is a screenshot of the user accounts window but we can't rally show peoples account names I was wonering if we could auto blank part of it out
[22:15] <titeuf_87> hmm, right now it's not possible but it should be easy enough to add, just like only getting a certain rectangle of the window
[22:16] <ubuntujenkins> ok that shoulc be alright
[22:17] <titeuf_87> where do you need this?
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> user accounts window system > admin... > users and groups
[22:31] <godbyk> Okay, Internet is really spotty here today.
[22:32] <daker> hhh
[22:32] <godbyk> gonna try to turn auto-update back on for you daker.
[22:32] <godbyk> (if I can type the commands before the internet dies again!)
[22:32] <daker> oki
[22:32] <godbyk> I re-enabled auto-update
[22:33] <godbyk> trying to run it manually now to get it up to speed
[22:33] <godbyk> I hate my ISP.
[22:33] <godbyk> Internet goes down all the time.
[22:33] <godbyk> Drives me nutes.
[22:33] <godbyk> nuts.
[22:33] <godbyk> Called tech support.
[22:33] <godbyk> They didn't know what the problem was.
[22:33] <godbyk> But they scheduled a tech to come around tomorrow afternoon.
[22:33] <godbyk> Of course, the Internet will be fine by then.
[22:33] <ubuntujenkins> alwasy is
[22:33] <godbyk> But I may let them come anyway to test the signal on the line.
[22:34] <godbyk> Okay, website should be updated now.
[22:34] <godbyk> 540 bugs? holy cow!
[22:34] <ubuntujenkins> I know
[22:35] <godbyk> are we finding new bugs all the time or mostly dupes or what?
[22:36] <ubuntujenkins> I am unsure with so many now its hard to find duplicates
[22:36] <titeuf_87> ubuntujenkins, I'm going to take a look tomorrow at your problem with the various resolution windows, didn't have the time for it today
[22:36] <titeuf_87> going to bed now, night all
[22:36] <ubuntujenkins> titeuf_87: thansk and night
[22:37] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I saw your msg about screenshots.
[22:37] <godbyk> you want the screenshots command to add something to the screenshots.log file, too?
[22:37] <ubuntujenkins> please what with the rouge screenshots in there we are way over 50 and i can't keep track of them looking at the document its self
[22:38]  * ubuntujenkins what my log out button is read
[22:38] <ubuntujenkins> *red
[22:57] <ubuntujenkins> night all