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elkyTheMuso, hi10:02
TheMusoelky: Hi, no aplicants.10:03
TheMusoapplicants even10:03
ZachK_Hello?10:04
elkyTheMuso, it seems that way.10:05
elkyZachK_, hi?10:05
ZachK_meeting?10:06
ZachK_Was wondering if ya'll are considering people for Ubuntu Membership......10:07
elkyZachK_, if they're on the agenda, we do. Nobody is on our agenda today though.10:07
ZachK_I thought i was....coulda sworn I had edited it....probably forgot to...10:08
elkyhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/AsiaOceania is the page you need to put details on so we can consider you next time.10:08
ZachK_dang...10:08
elkyDid you maybe put it on another board's page?10:08
ZachK_elky: nope........completely forgot.....was intending to do so....10:08
ZachK_Ah well....10:09
elkyZachK_, sorry. we don't even have quorum anyway, so you haven't missed really. put your stuff up there now and we'll see you in a fortnight, ok? :)10:09
ZachK_ah ok....10:09
ZachK_when is the next meeting?10:10
elkyOne fortnight from this moment.10:11
elkyI think....10:11
elkyYes, pretty sure.10:12
ZachK_fortnight is two weeks right?10:12
elkyyes10:14
ZachK_cool....10:15
ZachK_thanks....10:15
ZachK_gonna add myself now10:15
elkyThanks :)10:15
lifeless\o/10:17
persiaOOps!10:24
elkywait, we have quorum?10:24
persiaSorry about that.10:25
elkyThat's ok, he hadn't added himself anyway. not sure opening the floodgates to walk-ins is really worth it10:25
persiaI'd much prefer not to do that, just on general principles.10:25
elkyYeah10:26
elkyOnce you do it once...10:26
persiaBut I still feel bad for being late.10:26
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NCommander#startmeeting13:00
MootBotMeeting started at 08:00. The chair is NCommander.13:00
MootBotCommands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]13:00
* ogra waves13:00
JamieBennettmoo13:00
* GrueMaster blinks13:00
NCommander[link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/2010032313:00
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/2010032313:00
dyfetrubs eyes13:00
NCommander[topic] Action Item Review13:00
MootBotNew Topic:  Action Item Review13:00
NCommander[topic] GrueMaster & plars to investigate imx51 suspend issue13:00
MootBotNew Topic:  GrueMaster & plars to investigate imx51 suspend issue13:00
plarsseems to be fixed, from my perspective13:01
plarstested a new kernel13:01
plarsthis time, not just backing out patches, but with an actual fix13:01
plarsin both cases, I am no longer able to reproduce the bug13:01
* davidm needs coffee13:01
ogra++13:01
GrueMasterdavidm: grab me a cup, please.13:02
plarsGrueMaster: ? are you still seeing it though?  iirc you were still able to reproduce it even with some of the kernels where I was not seeing it13:02
GrueMasterI was going to look yesterday, but got pulled away.  I'll look at it now.13:02
GrueMasteryesterday's image works for me.13:03
GrueMasterI'll run your checkbox test later for more thorough testing.13:04
asachi13:04
* NCommander waits for the goahead to move on13:04
plarsgreat!13:04
asacNCommander: sending a round ping to all before starting would be a good addition to your services13:04
GrueMasterRoll on one.13:04
asac:)13:04
plarsNCommander: I think we're done13:04
NCommander[topic] persia to bring remove any unneeded images from antimony13:04
MootBotNew Topic:  persia to bring remove any unneeded images from antimony13:04
persiaStevenK: killed the last of them yesterday.13:05
persiaWe ended up a bit delayed because of beta, but we're down to six images.13:05
* ogra will add more :P13:05
* persia dreams of kernel unification13:06
* NCommander +1s that dream13:06
StevenKYes, it will jump up to 913:06
StevenKSoon13:06
asacpersia: what images got killed?13:06
StevenKasac: ubuntu-desktop alternate13:06
ograwell, if we ever get a working kernel for omap at least13:06
asackk13:06
asacok13:08
asaccan we move on?13:08
NCommander[topic] Standing Item Review13:08
MootBotNew Topic:  Standing Item Review13:08
NCommander[topic] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html13:08
MootBotNew Topic:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html13:08
NCommander[link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html13:08
MootBotLINK received:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html13:08
asacok seems all is waiting for me ;)13:09
asacStevenK: is the webservice office part seeded?13:09
ograslacker !13:09
ogra:)13:09
plarsheh13:09
StevenKIs it in main yet?13:09
asacStevenK: it has an approved MIR13:09
asacdyfet:  Package and maintain Canola and deps in a ppa13:10
asacwhats going on there?13:10
StevenKasac: Okay, give me the bug number and I'll sort it out tomorrow13:10
StevenKPromotion, seeding, etc, etc13:10
asacStevenK: guess the only bug open against webservice-office-zoho ;)13:10
dyfetWe are not packaging the current canola stuff13:10
StevenKI was guessing you had the bug number handy. Guess not. :-P13:11
dyfetAt least outside of a ppa13:11
JamieBennettStevenK: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/webservice-office-zoho/+bug/53732313:11
ubottuUbuntu bug 537323 in webservice-office-zoho "[MIR] Main inclusion request for webservice-office-zoho" [High,Fix released]13:11
asacdyfet: that task is about getting the stuff in a ppa13:11
dyfetIt is in a ppa now for lucid :)13:11
asacdyfet: which ppa?13:11
dyfetWe were hoping to archive it for lucid though13:11
asacno archive was off the plate for a bit13:11
dyfetIt's a temporary one I setup...I can send you the url in just a sec13:12
asacdyfet: please post that as a status update to the blueprint and set your work item to DONE13:12
dyfetasac: https://launchpad.net/~dyfet/+archive/canola2 - okay, will do13:12
asacdyfet: are all the packages in there, not in the archive?13:13
asacor are some updates/patched packages?13:13
dyfetThey are all there and updated for current packaging policies13:13
dyfetOriginally I was hoping to push them to revu...13:13
asacdyfet: i mean: is there any package in the ppa that isnt in the archvie?13:13
asacerr13:13
ograheh13:13
asacany package that also is in the archive ;)13:13
dyfetProbably not13:14
asaci want to understand if all packages are NEW13:14
dyfetYes they are all new13:14
asacok13:14
asacdyfet: so what makes you think this is not going to happen in the archive?13:14
dyfetBecause most are packages that are now abandoned13:14
asaci dont understand that13:14
asacplease elaborate ;)13:14
dyfetThat is canola2 is being written using different dependencies13:14
dyfet(re-written)13:15
asacwho is leading that effort13:15
dyfetSo episilon and all the etk stuff are dead-end packages13:15
asac?13:15
dyfetI have to go back into my email...13:15
asaclets take that offline13:15
asacthanks for the update13:15
dyfetokay :)13:15
NCommandercan I move on?13:16
asacyes next standing item please13:16
NCommander[topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)13:16
MootBotNew Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)13:16
cooloneyhi guys13:16
asachi cooloney13:16
cooloneyno much from my side13:16
asaccooloney: one question13:16
cooloneyi think we fixed the suspend/resume regression13:16
cooloneyasac: yeah,13:16
asaccooloney: do you have getting the NEON thing into karmic-proposed on your plate?13:16
asacthe kernel was dropped because of security update13:17
asacand now we need to get that in again as some folks need that ;)13:17
ograasac, i thought smb wanted to care for it13:17
cooloneyasac: i did not track that, i assume it was in karmic-proposed already13:17
asacogra: nothing happened13:17
cooloneyright, smb helped that i think13:18
asaccooloney: it was in tehre, got dropped and yesterday nothing has happened13:18
asaccooloney: can you drive this? e.g. poke smb etc.?13:18
cooloneyactually, i did not test karmic for several weeks13:18
cooloneyasac: no problem, please an action item for me13:18
cooloneys/an/add13:18
asac[ACTION] cooloney to get karmic-proposed imx51 kernel with NEON fix in13:18
ograi just pinged him in the other channel, please take over  :)13:18
asacNCommander: ^13:18
cooloneyogra: thanks man13:19
asaccooloney: suspend/resume: did you close the bug?13:19
asac;)13:19
cooloneyasac: yeah, it should be close since the patch was merged13:19
asacfound that kernel bugs often dont get closed when they are fixed13:19
asaccool13:19
NCommander[action] cooloney to get karmic-proposed imx51 kernel with NEON fix in13:19
MootBotACTION received:  cooloney to get karmic-proposed imx51 kernel with NEON fix in13:19
GrueMasterasac: Little premature.  Let me run the test suite today first.13:19
asaccooloney: ok.thanks13:19
asacericm isnt here13:19
asaclets  move on then13:20
ograamitk isnt either :(13:20
plarsGrueMaster: I believe it's just going into proposed at this point13:20
* ogra would like an update on the omap kernel13:20
ograwe need to invite him for future meetings13:20
* asac takes care that they get in next time13:20
asac[ACTION] ncommander to extend invite to ericm and amitk13:20
NCommander[ACTION] ncommander to extend invite to ericm and amitk13:21
MootBotACTION received:  ncommander to extend invite to ericm and amitk13:21
NCommanderasac: ericm should be here13:21
ograhe has a standing invite13:21
asacNCommander: not for me ;)13:21
NCommander[topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)13:21
MootBotNew Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)13:21
* asac hands mic to GrueMaster 13:21
* ogra moves to the edge of his seat in awe and excitement13:22
GrueMasterBeta 1 looks very solid.  Still some bugs to work on, but major progress towards image stability has been made.13:22
plarsbeta testing done, netboot images failed pretty badly, other than that, and a carried over bug on imx51 (dup of a non-arm specific bug) images were in pretty good shape13:22
plarssuspend/resume results have started to show up on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Testing13:22
asacGrueMaster: any bugs of particual interest that need to be worked/discussed?13:23
ogracooloney asked about a graphics issue on imx51 recently13:23
ograthat seemsed to show up since plymouth changed13:23
plarsI was unable to reproduce that on babbage 3, but he mentioned that he was on 2.513:24
cooloneyogra: sorry,13:24
GrueMasterWe are still having sound issues on Dove.13:24
cooloneyi did apt-get dist-upgrade13:24
cooloneynow it works fine13:24
ograok13:24
ograthen i'll count that as a non-issue :D13:24
plarsGrueMaster: sound issues are on both imx51 and dove13:24
asacsame issues?13:25
plarsbut yes, I've done some more debugging on the dove one, and need to go get straces now13:25
asacall pulseaudio related?13:25
plarsunless someone beats me to it13:25
plarsseems so,k yes13:25
cooloneyogra: do you have any feedback about the regular issue from fsl?13:26
asacplars: do we have simple test cases in the bugs?13:26
plarsasac: yes13:26
cooloneyregulator13:26
cooloneysorry13:26
plarsvery13:26
ogracooloney, nope, we pointed it out in the last call but no answer yet13:26
ograasac, ^^^ lets poke again tonight13:26
cooloneyogra: got you13:26
asacyeah13:27
ograand start considering it as nice-to-have probably13:27
GrueMasterThe sound bug on Dove is Bug #52852413:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 528524 in pulseaudio "Sound not working in all apps on dove" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52852413:27
ograi.e. make it vanish from the action items13:27
ogras/action/work/13:28
asacplars: the checkbox result pacge.13:28
asacmaybe this can have an executive summary on top?13:28
asachttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Testing/SusresResults/imx51-2010031813:28
asacthats where i am looking at13:28
plarsasac: the easiest thing to do is to click on "questions"13:28
plarsand focus on that section for results13:28
persiaSound issues on specific hardware are very unlikely to be related to pulseaudio in anyway.  It's most likely an ASoC issue or some mismatch between ALSA lib versions.13:28
plarsI basically just convert the output to a wiki format as best as possible with my rudimentary knowledge of xslt13:29
asacwell. pulse needs some sophisitaction of the drivers13:29
asacmighzt be that ours are just too dumb ;)13:29
asacplars: yeah tahts fine13:29
asacplars: what are we doing with those that failed?13:29
persiaasac: pulse *doesn't* have drivers.  ALSA/ASoC do.13:30
asacpersia: yes, but the issue is still a pulse issue as its unconvered by it ;)13:30
asacsure its a driver issue in the end13:30
asacjust a pulse specific one ;)13:30
plarsasac: bugs are in for them, I'll try to go back and update with the bug #'s... at least one failed because of something I need to fix in the test.  I'll get that fixed up and update13:30
asac(if its pulse related at all)13:30
persiaI guess, but it can't be fixed in pulseaudio, so I still say the bug isn't targeted properly :)13:30
asacplars: the "wait a bit after resume so the CPU settled" fix?13:31
plarsasac: yes, exactly13:31
plarsreally just needed in that one case13:31
plarsbecause of timing13:31
asacpersia: well. pulseaudio folks are best to analyze that imo as they are the ones that know what the driver needs to support ...13:31
asacpersia: but yeah we can move it to alsa13:31
asacthe alsa folks should be aware now ;)13:31
asacok lets move on13:31
persiaIs it ALSA or ASoC for that board?13:32
asaccooloney: ?13:32
cooloneypersia: is ASoC13:32
cooloneyactually ASoC is a sub system of ALSA in kernel13:32
asacwhat does it stand for?13:33
persiaRight, so let's retarget it to "linux-mvl-..."13:33
cooloneyit's good for SoC's13:33
persiaALSA System On a Chip13:33
cooloneyALSA SoC = ASoC13:33
cooloneyyeah13:33
cooloneySystem on Chip13:33
asacif we target it aganist linux-mvl- ... this has to be fixed by mvl13:33
asacif we use alsa, some random guy might have some ideas - guess the code is public13:34
ogralinux-mvl- is too13:34
asacogra: yes, but noone knowing anything about sound is subscribed to that package13:34
persiaAnd it's 90% likely to be an issue with quirking in the ASoC stuff.13:34
* GrueMaster is going to regret this but...13:35
persiaasac: If you want crimsun to look at the bug, that's just a matter of asking :)13:35
GrueMasterHow about if I check the latest alsa?13:35
persiaGrueMaster: That's another good idea.13:35
asacGrueMaster: how much time would that take?13:35
* asac doorbell13:35
ograALSA or ASoC dorbell ?13:35
GrueMasterasac: I don't know off hand.  Need to download the code and build against current kernel.  Also will need the existing audio disabled in the kernel.  two days for build time?13:36
asaclets first get crimsun etc. comment on the bug13:36
persiaGrueMaster: Take care: if it's ASoC, ALSA trunk won't help much.13:37
asacand then decide what to do13:37
plarsasac: he has been looking at it13:37
GrueMasterpersia: why do you say that?13:37
asacplars: what did he say?13:37
plarsasac: next thing he asked for was a stack trace13:37
plarsthat was last night, and I haven't had a chance yet13:37
asacok cool. do what he says for now13:37
persiaGrueMaster: Last I heard, ASoC included a number of patches to some ALSA stuff that meant it was better to pull ASoC trunk than ALSA trunk to play.  I may not be current, or I may even be wrong.13:37
plarsasac: I will do it this morning13:38
asac[ACTION] plars to follow up with crimsun on the sound bug and report back13:38
asacNCommander: ^^13:38
asacthanks13:38
asaclets move on ;)13:38
GrueMasterI've seen a bunch of ASOC patches fly through the alsa mailing list recently.13:38
NCommander[topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)13:38
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)13:38
NCommander[ACTION] plars to follow up with crimsun on the sound bug and report back13:38
MootBotACTION received:  plars to follow up with crimsun on the sound bug and report back13:38
cooloneyyeah, ASoC is in the heavy development13:38
cooloneysince it supports hundreds of SOC and hundreds of CODEC13:39
persiaYeah.13:39
JamieBennettNot much to report, webservice-office-zoho needs seeding and this branch needs sponsoring: https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~jamiebennett/+junk/webservice-office-zoho.auto.distutils13:39
persiaMoving on ...13:39
cooloneybut for userspace, it is supposed to be the same as alsa13:39
cooloneyok13:39
asacJamieBennett: can you produce the packaging?13:40
asace.g. the three pieces?13:40
JamieBennettasac: OK13:40
asacwe have to redo the branches and kill the debian/ part of it so i can sponsor it ;)13:40
JamieBennettasac: OK I'll chat after the meeting about it13:41
JamieBennettmove on?13:41
asacyes13:42
JamieBennettNCommander: ^13:42
JamieBennettheh13:42
ogracan someone call his mobile ? :P13:43
JamieBennett[topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)13:43
plarsyeah, sec13:43
ograwe need a remote controlled ship-horn near his laptop :)13:43
dyfetI did a number of ftbfs/missing deps last week.  I will list them on the status page13:44
asacdyfet: did those get uploaded?13:44
StevenKogra: "foghorn"13:44
NCommandersorry13:44
ograStevenK, ah, that was the word, yeah13:44
dyfetI know NCommander offered to sponsor a few13:44
NCommander[topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)13:45
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)13:45
asacdyfet: please more aggressively request sponsorship from me too13:45
dyfetokay :)13:45
ograStevenK, publically accessible via a webpage (and i'll blog about it :) )13:45
asacthings shouldnt wait for an upload longer than half a day13:45
* NCommander got distracted by his other half13:45
asacdyfet: which packages are those you fixed? anything from main still?13:45
StevenKHuh? ECONTEXT13:45
dyfetA couple were from main, including a kde related package13:45
NCommanderOOo's fix uploaded, and the build broke. Seems to be buildd instability, but will have to watch closely13:46
ogradid you see likewise FTBFS ?13:46
* ogra gave it back, seemed to be a segfault13:46
ograplease keep an eye on it though13:46
NCommanderogra: do I hadn't13:46
NCommander*no13:46
* dmart reconnects13:47
asacso for libplist we ended up in a situation where builders fail13:47
NCommanderanything else?13:47
asacbecause they dont have thumb support13:47
ograugh13:48
asacits testcases that get sigill13:48
asacso its the first time we have that13:48
ograthats the first package we have failing like that13:48
dmartAren't the builders v7?13:48
ograsnap13:48
asacdmart: kernel isnt13:48
asacdmart: i would think13:48
asacits pegatron13:48
NCommanderogra: can't we disable sigill?13:48
NCommanderer13:48
asacso we can wait for the builder upgrade13:48
NCommander*cough*13:48
NCommanderthe test case13:48
* asac pokes lamont again13:48
ograasac, can we ?13:48
asacor use -marm to get that built13:48
dmartThumb-2 in userspace should still be supported.13:48
ograwhen is that due ?13:48
dmartLocalised -marm might be OK as a solution13:49
asacdmart: it definitly isnt on those machines. it works well here on bbg/dove and in chroots on both13:49
dmartIs libplist important?13:49
asacwhen logging into the pegatrons i get SIGILL13:49
asacdmart: its in main13:49
asacdmart: i fixed endianess for floating point, so at least we should use -marm13:49
dmartI mean, is it performance- or code-size- critical in any way?13:49
ograunlikely13:49
asacdmart: i dont think so13:49
asacits used by:13:50
asac  python-imobiledevice13:50
asac  libplist-utils13:50
asac  libimobiledevice-utils13:50
asac  python-gpod13:50
persiaIt's really only important for dealing with client iPods.13:50
asac  libplist-dev13:50
asac  libplist-dbg13:50
asac  libplist++113:50
dmart-marm is probably OK then13:50
asac  libplist++-dev13:50
asac  libimobiledevice013:50
asac  libgpod4-nogtk13:50
asac  libgpod413:50
ograDescription: Library for handling Apple binary and XML property lists13:50
asac  libgpod-common13:50
persia!paste | asac13:50
ubottuasac: For posting multi-line texts into the channel, please use http://paste.ubuntu.com | To post !screenshots use http://tinyurl.com/imagebin | !pastebinit to paste directly from command line | Make sure you give us the URL for your paste - see also the channel topic.13:50
asac(sorry for the ast)13:50
asacyeah pod13:50
asacdmart: ok. lets do that and retry without when we have the bbg builders13:50
asacpersia: you just created additional noise13:50
dmartOK13:50
asacfor no news ;)13:50
* asac will upload with -marm13:51
asacok thats it from my side13:51
ogramove on ?13:51
NCommander[action] asac to upload libplist with -marm13:51
MootBotACTION received:  asac to upload libplist with -marm13:51
NCommander[topic] Any Other Business13:51
MootBotNew Topic:  Any Other Business13:51
* ogra kicks NCommander 13:51
ogramove one back13:51
asacwhat did he skip?13:51
ograimage status13:51
NCommander[topic] ARM Image Status13:51
MootBotNew Topic:  ARM Image Status13:51
ograheh13:51
* NCommander is not with it this morning13:51
ograimx51 and dove images build stable since several days and look good13:52
ograomap is in preparation13:52
ograx-loader and u-boot are in the archive, MIRs will be filed today13:52
* dmart has an AOB (delayed by looking up the bug number)13:52
asacwhen do we expect the first images to become available?13:52
asacdmart: thats next ;)13:52
ograi'll shove them on asac's desk then13:52
asacthanks13:52
dmartk13:52
ograthe kernel isnt there yet13:53
ograso without kernel no images13:53
ograas soon as its there its a matter of 1-2 days13:53
asacogra: thought the kernel just didnt boot ;)=13:53
ograme working out the image concept and testing it, StevenK committing it to the builders13:53
asace.g. we could get images with a non-booting kernel13:53
ograasac, it has tons of bugs13:53
ograits not in the archive13:53
asacright. just wonder why waiting for the kernel blocks finishing all the imaging stuff13:54
ograi wouldnt mind having buggy images13:54
asacah13:54
ograbut it needs to be uploaded and go through NEW13:54
ograand we dont have a meta yet13:54
ograwhich d-i needs13:54
ografor our fallback images13:54
ograeverything blocks on that atm13:54
StevenKasac: Because I need to see where the kernels lands, main or universe for my livecd-rootfs changes13:54
StevenKAnd a meta package for the kernel13:55
ograStevenK, will be main13:55
asacmain yeah13:55
ograbut meta needs to be there and we need the debian-cd patches13:55
ograor cdimage ... fwiw13:55
StevenKBoth13:55
StevenKI'll upload livecd-rootfs tomorrow13:55
StevenKEr, today13:55
ogragreat13:55
StevenKAt some point in the next diurnal period13:55
ograso i can roll squashfs'es for testing13:55
ograas soon as we have a kernel13:56
StevenKYou can't, since it will want the kernel13:56
StevenKAh13:56
ograyeah13:56
ografor image building we should be able to abuse the code dove uses13:56
asacok so imx51/dove are good and we should have an omap image by end of week. sounds good ;)13:56
ograjust adding two cp's to get MLO and u-boot in place13:56
ograright13:57
ogramove on13:57
NCommander[topic] Any Other Business13:57
MootBotNew Topic:  Any Other Business13:57
asacdmart: ^13:57
dmartThanks ;)13:57
dmartI just reconfirmed this one - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/44314713:57
StevenKogra: I think about the only thing is how to make the image bootable13:57
ubottuUbuntu bug 443147 in firefox-3.5 "Firefox inappropriately adds scroll bars to many frames and images" [Medium,Triaged]13:57
dmartIt applies to 3.6 too13:57
dmartI'm wondering whether the priority should be bumped13:58
asachmm13:58
asacfound issue?13:58
ograStevenK, right, the vfat might need to be special (active and marked bootable or some such)13:58
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asaclet me try13:58
dmartThe pain really starts when Google maps starts drawing balloons13:59
StevenKogra: Anyway, you and I can sort that out once we have a kernel13:59
ograStevenK, beyond that we only need to copy the two binaries into the vfat in the right order (MLO needs to be in the first sectors of the image)13:59
ograright13:59
asacdmart: i dont see it if i start it through ssh14:00
asacdmart: thats bbg?14:00
dmartYes, hang on I'll see what happens with ssh for me...14:00
asacthe chromium dove issue definitly persists through ssh14:00
asacso if this doesnt it means its coming from X server somehow14:00
asactry setting browser.zoom.full to false in about:config14:01
asacand zoom out using ctrl--14:01
asacmaybe it goes away with smaller fonts?14:01
asachmm i see it on google maps14:01
* NCommander notes we're now over14:02
NCommanderasac: can you take this discussion offline?14:02
asacyeah. that bug should get upstreamed14:02
asacand so on14:02
asacwilil follow up14:02
NCommanderanything else to be brought up quickly?14:02
asacnope14:02
asacgo ahead and close the meeting ;)14:02
NCommander[action] asac and dmart to follow up on firefox bug14:02
MootBotACTION received:  asac and dmart to follow up on firefox bug14:02
NCommander#endmeeting14:02
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dmartasac, I'll follow up with you on this in a moment14:02
asacyeah14:02
GrueMasterAlso, I will hopefully have the equipment to reproduce/debug Bug #519905 this week.14:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 519905 in linux-fsl-imx51 "Slow Ethernet throughput and framing errors when connected via a hub" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51990514:02
kees\o14:02
ograGrueMaster, cool14:03
dmartGrueMaster: cool, it would be good to progress that one14:03
ogra(lets take that to -arm)14:03
cjwatsonGoogle calendar says the TB meeting is now, but surely this is a DST error14:03
cjwatsonit is usually at 1500 UTC14:03
keescjwatson: why is google calendar so unfriendly?14:03
cjwatsonI wish I knew14:03
kees:)14:03
keesshould we do 1500 then?14:04
cjwatsonunfriendly because it made you get up for 6am?14:04
persiaIT used to be at 14:00, and then moved to 15:00 for winter time.  Is it not expected to move back (admittedly in another week or so)14:04
GrueMasterGoogle calendar doesn't understand UTC14:04
cjwatsonor is it 7am14:04
cjwatsonpersia: are you sure?  I thought it was scheduled in UTC14:04
keescjwatson: luckily, it's unfriendly and follows US DST, so I got up at the same time.  :P14:04
kees(7am)14:04
persiacjwatson: Yes, I'm sure.  I'm not sure *when* it moved from 14:00 to 15:00 though: it may not have been this most recent fall.14:05
cjwatsonhmm.  I looked at a random point in September and it was 1500 then, presumably BST, so I guess that would be 1400 UTC14:05
* kees wonders if could set it to Reykjavik's timezone, as they are UTC with no DST14:05
kees*if we ...14:05
persiakees: No.  It seems to autodetect desired DST based on the last person to update it.14:05
cjwatsonwe don't have much on the agenda, so if everyone's here we can go ahead, otherwise next hour14:06
keespersia: ewww14:06
keescjwatson: I will need to vanish for another appointment in an hour, but it's flexible.14:07
cjwatsonmdz,Keybuk: here?14:08
Keybukcjwatson: err?14:09
Keybukcjwatson: I have TB in my calendar at 150014:09
cjwatsonKeybuk: interesting, it lies differently to different people14:09
* pitti didn't even know that it'll move UTC time, but I'm here now14:10
cjwatson14:06 <cjwatson> we don't have much on the agenda, so if everyone's here we can go ahead, otherwise next hour14:10
persiaJust for the record, my recollection was the the TB meeting followed British time.14:10
KeybukUTC time hasn't changed14:10
Keybukonly the US has changed14:10
cjwatsonKeybuk: yes, I know gcal is hopelessly buggy14:10
Keybukbut I'm here now ;)14:10
cjwatsonI swear it shows it as 1400 here even though it probably shouldn't, and it shows the current time as 140something14:11
Keybukand quite happy for us to do it here and now14:11
Keybukon the floor if needsbe14:11
cjwatsonok14:11
cjwatson#startmeeting14:11
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cjwatson[TOPIC] Action review14:11
MootBotNew Topic:  Action review14:11
cjwatsonhttps://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UpdatesPolicy  upstream is http://techbase.kde.org/Policies/Minor_Point_Release_Policy/Draft; Riddell to get agreement with KDE on point release criteria14:11
cjwatsonRiddell: any progress on this?14:11
* cjwatson times out14:13
cjwatsondholbach to finalise LeadershipAppointment page, and close bug on sabdfl role in TB14:13
cjwatsonthe latter has been done, not sure about the former14:13
dholbachcjwatson: sorted out14:14
dholbachhttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncil/Restaffing14:14
cjwatsongreat, thank you14:15
cjwatsoncjwatson to implement edubuntu-dev delegations14:15
cjwatsondone today14:15
cjwatson[TOPIC] Check up on community bugs (standing item)14:16
MootBotNew Topic:  Check up on community bugs (standing item)14:16
cjwatsonnone14:16
cjwatson[TOPIC] AOB14:16
MootBotNew Topic:  AOB14:16
pitti(nothing from me, FTR)14:16
cjwatsonI took the liberty of removing archive reorganisation from the standing actions list; we seem to be doing fine at bringing up individual items when they're needed14:16
pittiah, that sounds fine; at this point it wasn't really clear any more what to discuss about it14:17
pittithanks14:17
cjwatsonalso, sabdfl needs to write up the last set of minutes :-)14:17
cjwatson[ACTION] sabdfl to write up minutes from 2010-03-09 meeting, or delegate14:17
MootBotACTION received:  sabdfl to write up minutes from 2010-03-09 meeting, or delegate14:17
cjwatsonI fished them out of irclogs.u.c14:18
cjwatsonOK, doesn't sound like anything else14:19
KeybukI'm next alphabetically?14:19
cjwatsonkees is14:19
keeswhee14:19
Keybukoh yes, e < y14:19
cjwatsonKeybuk: did you reach a decision on whether you were going to continue as a member of the TB?14:19
Keybukcjwatson: I am going to try and find enough time to do it14:20
Keybukand see how that goes ;-)14:20
cjwatsonOK, great, glad to hear it14:20
Keybukin general, I need to do less better14:20
cjwatsonright, I guess that's it, I'll half-expect to need to chair another meeting in 40 minutes' time ;-)14:20
cjwatsonI know the feeling ...14:20
cjwatson#endmeeting14:20
MootBotMeeting finished at 09:20.14:20
pittithat was a quick one14:21
mdzcjwatson: hi14:21
pittithanks everyone14:21
mdzI guess I missed it14:21
pittimdz: we had long debates, and a real flamewar :)14:21
cjwatsonmdz: ah, I just replied to your SMS14:22
mdzcjwatson, pitti, Keybuk, hi15:06
cjwatsonhello; are we going round again?15:07
mdzcjwatson: it was a bit unclear from scrollback15:07
mdzand I missed the previous meeting, so I'm lacking context15:07
mdzit looks like a lot of things have vanished from the agenda page15:07
mdzdoes that mean they're completed?15:07
cjwatsonGoogle Calendar was hopelessly confused and was displaying 1400 UTC for some people and 1500 UTC for others, so since we had a quorum with four people we decided to go ahead15:08
cjwatsonI flushed the agenda based on what seemed to have been done15:08
cjwatsonalso15:08
cjwatson14:16 <cjwatson> I took the liberty of removing archive reorganisation from the standing actions list; we seem to be doing fine at bringing up individual items when they're needed15:08
cjwatsonfeel free to restore that if you disagree, it just seems to have been handled adequately otherwise15:09
cjwatsonas far as I know my agenda changes were accurate aside from that15:09
mdzcjwatson: ok15:09
cjwatsonwe voted in the units policy last time, and approved edubuntu-dev delegation15:09
cjwatsonsabdfl was the chair so the minutes have not been written up ;-)15:09
Keybukcjwatson: minutes were withheld for tax reasons?15:19
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* ogasawara waves17:00
cndo/17:00
bjf#startmeeting17:00
MootBotMeeting started at 12:00. The chair is bjf.17:00
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bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting17:00
bjf[LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid17:00
MootBotLINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting17:00
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bjf#17:00
bjf# NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.17:00
bjf#17:00
bjf# NOTE: cking, rtg, apw and manjo are all out today17:00
bjf#17:00
* jjohansen waves17:01
bjf[TOPIC] Open Action Item: JFo to send out regression bug day announcements on monday17:01
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Action Item: JFo to send out regression bug day announcements on monday17:01
JFoyep, I failed in that.17:01
bjfwill carry it over17:01
JFoI need to get with pgraner on the schedule going forward17:01
JFook17:01
JFo..17:01
bjf[TOPIC] Open Action Item: JFo to do a wiki page on regression bug days17:01
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Action Item: JFo to do a wiki page on regression bug days17:01
JFothis item is in progress17:02
JFoplease carry firward17:02
bjfwill carry it over :-)17:02
JFoforward*17:02
JFo:)17:02
JFo..17:02
bjf[TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)17:02
MootBotNew Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)17:02
JFoBugs (Release Meeting Bugs / RC Milestoned Bugs / Release Targeted Bugs)17:02
JFoRelease Meeting Bugs (3 bugs, 3 blueprints)17:02
JFo===17:02
JFoBeta 2 Milestoned Bugs (108 bugs against all packages)17:02
JFo * 13 linux kernel bugs17:02
JFo * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs17:02
JFo * 1 linux-ec2 bug17:02
JFo * 1 linux-mvl-dove bugs17:02
JFo===17:02
JFoRelease Targeted Bugs (300 bugs against all packages)17:02
JFo * 30 linux kernel bugs17:02
JFo * 0 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs17:02
JFo * 1 linux-ec2 bug17:02
JFo * 2 linux-mvl-dove bugs17:02
JFo===17:02
JFoMilestoned Features -17:03
JFo * 0 blueprints17:03
JFo    17:03
JFo===17:03
JFoBugs with Patches Attached:119 (up 4)17:03
JFohttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on17:03
JFoBreakdown by status:17:03
JFohttp://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/17:03
MootBotLINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/17:03
JFo..17:03
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (JFo)17:03
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling17:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (JFo)17:03
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling17:03
JFonothing to report17:03
JFo..17:03
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)17:03
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review17:03
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)17:03
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review17:03
bjfi'm assuming nothing new here17:04
smbI guess all in good shape17:04
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin / apw)17:04
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms17:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin / apw)17:04
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms17:04
sconklinTesting of the beta has been mostly good so far, I have a couple of "blank screen on install" bugs to look at17:04
sconklin..17:04
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)17:04
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development17:04
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)17:04
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development17:04
jjohansenanother lkml push going out today, will17:05
jjohansenalso issue pull requests for the bug fixes17:05
jjohansenit includes.17:05
jjohansensince beta 1 release have picked up17:05
jjohansenanother couple bugs to look at with security team17:05
jjohansenBug #544819, Bug #544789, Bug #54476417:05
jjohansenand there is Bug #529288 which I haven't been able to reproduce and currently looks as if it is caused by memory corruption17:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 544819 in apparmor "apparmor does not work with midori" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54481917:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 544789 in apparmor "apparmor-logprof not working" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54478917:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 544764 in apparmor "unkillable apparmor_parser" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54476417:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 529288 in linux ""Kernel Oops" - unable to handle kernel paging request at ffff880323279bf2 RIP is at aa_dfa_match_len+0xd9/0xf0" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52928817:05
jjohansen...17:05
bjf[TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)17:05
bjf[LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance17:05
MootBotNew Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-boot-performance (apw, csurbhi)17:05
MootBotLINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-boot-performance17:05
bjfprobably nothing new here17:06
bjf[TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)17:06
MootBotNew Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)17:06
bjfStill working on the bug survey. I've moved to working on modifications to arsenal17:06
bjfscripts to do more of the work. I've done a bit of refactoring of Bryce's process-new-bugs.py17:06
bjfscript and sent it to him. I'll take his feedback and appy the changes to our scripts17:06
bjfas well. I'm trying to make it so we don't fork the scripts quite so much.17:06
bjf..17:06
bjf[TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (cnd)17:07
MootBotNew Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (cnd)17:07
cndsent some patches upstream to pm-utils17:07
cndwaiting on feedback17:07
cndwill push out a new set of packages when I hear back17:07
cnd..17:07
bjf[TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)17:08
MootBotNew Topic:  Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)17:08
jjohansenTesting fix for Bug #527208, which also seems to fix Bug #54037817:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 527208 in linux-ec2 "ec2 instance fails boot, no console output on c1.xlarge" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52720817:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 540378 in linux-ec2 "BUG: soft lockup - CPU#1 stuck for 66s! [swapper:0]" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54037817:08
jjohansenother than those its looking good17:08
jjohansen..17:08
bjf[TOPIC] Status: Lucid (smb)17:09
MootBotNew Topic:  Status: Lucid (smb)17:09
smbDapper:      2.6.15-55.83  (security)17:09
smbHardy:       2.6.24-27.68  (security) *17:09
smbIntrepid:    2.6.27-17.46  (security)17:09
smbJaunty:      2.6.28-18.60  (security)17:09
smbKarmic:      2.6.31-20.58  (security) *17:09
smb - LBM       2.6.31-20.22  (updates)  *17:09
smb - mvl-dove  2.6.31-212.26 (security) *17:09
smb - fsl-imx51 2.6.31-109.25 (security) *17:09
smb - ec2       2.6.31-305.13 (security) *17:09
smbPackages marked with '*' have been uploaded to proposed. Planned acceptance17:09
smbinto proposed is tomorrow.17:09
smbOops17:09
smbToo used to be called only for later17:09
bjf:-) fooled you17:09
smbOk, apw uploaded a kernel including 2.6.32.10 and a newer igb driver17:10
smbI uploaded meta today so it will probably get offered soonish17:10
smbI would gather updates till Friday17:10
smbAnd then do another upload.17:10
smb..17:10
bjfwas that an abi bumper?17:11
smb2.6.32.10, yes. But even if it would not have been, we would have bumbed17:11
smbJust to keep a fallback kernel for people17:11
smb..17:11
bjf[TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (gnarl/smb)17:11
MootBotNew Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (gnarl/smb)17:11
smbsee above.17:12
smb..17:12
bjf[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)17:12
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)17:12
JFoIncoming Bugs17:12
JFo328/438 Lucid Bugs (up 110)17:12
JFoCurrent regression stats (broken down by release):17:12
JFo==== regression-potential (up 40) ====17:12
JFo  * 128 lucid bugs17:12
JFo==== regression-update (up 1) ====17:12
JFo  * 12 karmic bugs17:12
JFo  * 5 jaunty bugs17:12
JFo  * 2 intrepid bugs17:12
JFo  * 1 hardy bug17:12
JFo==== regression-release (down 1) ====17:12
JFo  * 53 karmic bugs17:12
JFo  * 22 jaunty bugs17:12
JFo  * 11 intrepid bugs17:12
JFo  * 4 hardy bugs17:12
JFo==== regression-proposed (no change) ====17:12
JFo  * 1 karmic bug17:12
JFoplease note the big bump in regression potential17:12
JFo..17:12
* smb notes17:12
JFoincoming should only be 43817:13
bjf[TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)17:13
MootBotNew Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)17:13
JFo* Today is another Kernel Team 'regression-' bug day. Thanks for working on these last week. I'll be sending out an e-mail this week with the Kernel Team Bug Day schedule for the remainder of the release schedule.17:13
JFo..17:13
bjf[TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?17:14
MootBotNew Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?17:14
JFoo/17:14
bjfgo JFo17:14
JFoI'd like to welcome kamalm to the kernel team17:14
JFo:)17:14
kamalmthanks!17:14
amitkwelcome kamalm17:14
bjfwelcome!17:14
JFo..17:14
ogasawarabjf: I've got something . . .17:15
bjfogasawara, go17:15
ogasawaraAs apw is away on holiday this week, I'll be filling in for him at the release meeting on Friday.  That means I'll be nagging anyone with unfinished work items from blueprints for status.17:15
ogasawaraNote that Beta-2 is ~2 weeks away.17:15
ogasawara..17:15
smbcharming nag :)17:15
ogasawarasmb: of course :)17:15
bjfthanks everyone17:16
bjf#endmeeting17:16
MootBotMeeting finished at 12:16.17:16
smbbjf, Thanks17:16
JFothanks bjf17:16
kamalmthanks bjf17:16
amitkthanks bjf17:16
sconklinthanks17:16
psurbhithanks bjf17:17
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