[14:29] <newz2000> MTecknology: I've forwarded your email on to some decision makers and I think we're going to get some good assistance
[14:29] <newz2000> and by "think" I mean I have absolute confidence we're going to get some useful response
[14:30] <knome> newz2000, hmm. how is the JS?
[14:30] <newz2000> knome: which JS?
[14:31] <knome> newz2000, the one with which rime was mentioned
[14:31]  * newz2000 looks
[14:31] <knome> okay
[14:32] <newz2000> knome: I don't have a record of this, was it in email or here on IRC?
[14:32] <knome> email originally
[14:32] <knome> the l10n thing
[14:33] <knome> (iirc)
[14:33] <knome> omg
[14:33] <knome> brb
[14:33]  * newz2000 hopes it's not something serious
[14:56] <knome> nope
[14:56] <knome> just was in a train and LOADS of people hopped in
[15:02] <knome> where's my nail scissors :(
[15:02] <knome> anyway, how's the js?
[15:07] <newz2000> knome: I can't find a reference to it, I looked in my email
[15:07] <knome> newz2000, it was in the website ml
[15:07] <knome> let me find it
[15:07] <newz2000> or tell me his email address and I can pull it up
[15:08] <knome> it wasn't him sending email
[15:08] <knome> i just told he could do something about it
[15:08] <knome> https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-March/000856.html
[15:09] <newz2000> ah, cjohnston is going to set up a meeting soon to do the next step, but as I understand it now
[15:09] <newz2000> we should come up w/ something simpler by using apache's content negotiation feature
[15:10] <knome> meeting, like in irc or...?
[15:10] <newz2000> this will serve a different js file for each language
[15:10] <knome> oh, okay
[15:10] <newz2000> yeah, I think on IRC
[15:10] <knome> right
[15:10] <knome> is somebody on it already?
[15:10] <newz2000> no, I don't think so
[15:10] <knome> alright
[15:10] <knome> i read some mails on it on the ml
[15:11] <knome> do you know if they already know HOW they'd like to decide who gets which file?
[15:11] <newz2000> (here's the link describing it btw: https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-March/000868.html )
[15:11] <newz2000> regarding who gets which file, apache will serve the file for their language automatically
[15:11] <newz2000> is that what you mean?
[15:12] <knome> yup, pretty much
[15:12] <knome> so what needs to be done then?
[15:12] <newz2000> I'm waiting for confirmation from the IS team that they'll support this method
[15:12]  * newz2000 should ping them today on the matter
[15:12] <knome> okay. then what? ;)
[15:12] <knome> should ping the UX team today myself
[15:13] <newz2000> Then a planning meeting to decide what needs to go into the js file and how it will be translated
[15:13] <newz2000> then do the work
[15:13] <knome> the work is?
[15:14] <knome> is it something somebody will be able to work on or you need help?
[15:15] <newz2000> I'm going to ask the community to do the work
[15:15] <newz2000> and by "i" I mean cjohnston. :-) He's the project manager this time.
[15:20] <knome> okay, if nobody seems to step up, feel free (to tell cjohnston) to ping me so i can ask rime
[15:22] <cjohnstoncell> newz2000: You talking bad about me?
[15:23] <newz2000> cjohnston: mostly just slandering you
[15:23] <cjohnstoncell> I am aware. My phone is going nuts from you pinging me
[15:23] <knome> haha :D
[17:09] <MTecknology> newz2000: cool
[17:10] <newz2000> MTecknology: You've definitely got some people interested and have asked me how best to collaborate on this. :-)
[17:12] <MTecknology> awesome
[17:12] <MTecknology> horrible university internet....
[17:12] <MTecknology> I can't even check email :(
[17:22] <MTecknology> apparently it has something to do with 10.04.....
[20:37] <cjohnston> newz2000: you around boss?
[20:37] <newz2000> si
[20:38] <cjohnston> I'm guessing still no updates?
[20:38] <cjohnston> what the crap is up with the wiki
[20:38] <newz2000> still no updates but I have a reminder to bug them tomorrow morning
[20:39] <newz2000> (our time)
[20:39] <cjohnston> ok
[20:39] <cjohnston> im at work tomorrow so ill be around whenever i get around
[20:39] <newz2000> ok
[20:39] <cjohnston> newz2000 needs to fix the wiki
[20:40] <newz2000> what's up w/ the wiki?
[20:40] <cjohnston> tons of timeouts
[20:40] <newz2000> are you editing? I'm viewing and it's snappy for me
[20:40] <cjohnston> trying to view
[20:41] <cjohnston> jcastro was complaining about it earlier too
[20:41] <newz2000> must only be affecting those in eastern time zone
[20:42] <newz2000> when you get a timeout error do you see an error message from a proxy server?
[20:43] <cjohnston> umm
[20:43] <cjohnston> have not payed that much attention
[20:43] <newz2000> if you do, tell me the name of the proxy server and I'll look into it
[20:43] <cjohnston> ok
[20:43] <newz2000> it maybe that we're running more than one currently and one is flaky
[20:45] <cjohnston> newz2000: http://paste.ubuntu.com/400169/
[20:46] <newz2000> sounds frustrated
[20:46] <newz2000> :-)
[20:57] <jpds> cjohnston: The main reason it's so slow is because it has a HUGE user database.
[20:58]  * cjohnston thinks newz2000 needs to write a wiki for ubuntu's use that is faster :-P
[20:59] <newz2000> yeah, it'll be done in 2015
[20:59] <newz2000> Moin is a bit of a dog
[20:59] <newz2000> it really only has about one benefit, it's written in python
[21:00] <newz2000> theming stinks, performance is not super, installation is a pain in the butt
[21:00] <jpds> Well, even you save a page, by design, it stats EVERY SINGLE users data files to check if that user is subscribed to that page.
[21:00] <cjohnston> is there something better?
[21:01] <jpds> s/even/when/
[21:01] <newz2000> jpds: yeah, not good
[21:01] <newz2000> cjohnston: mediawiki is good but we don't like php
[21:02] <cjohnston> seems like there would be a better way to find or save subscribed users
[21:02] <newz2000> cjohnston: yeah
[21:03] <newz2000> I spent nearly 5 years writing a commercial CMS before coming to Canonical, and a strategy i used
[21:03] <newz2000> pages should be optimized for viewing
[21:03] <newz2000> fundamentally, that means things that are done repeatedly should be optimized
[21:04] <newz2000> so when a person subscribes to a page an index should be updated
[21:04] <cjohnston> ya