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Sarvattbyebye klingon? :D00:29
* Sarvatt slaps forehead00:30
Sarvattmistook the libXi sync for libX11 :)00:30
SarvattRAOF: savage DRI sucks huh?00:36
RAOFSarvatt: Looks like it :)00:36
RAOFThat said, in hindsight I should probably have pushed that bug on the DDX; running with swrast kills X.00:37
Sarvattevery time I see bug mail from you for desktop app crashes it's always savage DRI :D00:37
RAOFYes! :{00:37
Sarvattthe crashes fixed by http://lists.x.org/archives/xorg-devel/2010-March/006436.html seem to be triggered by kmail mostly00:46
Sarvatthttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/40104500:46
ubottuUbuntu bug 401045 in xserver-xorg-video-ati "X crashes in FindGlyphByHash" [Undecided,Confirmed]00:46
Sarvatthttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/44214400:46
ubottuUbuntu bug 442144 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Xorg crashes with SIG 11 in FindGlyphRef" [Undecided,Incomplete]00:46
Sarvatthttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers-180/+bug/47903100:46
ubottuUbuntu bug 479031 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-180 "Ubuntu 9.10 Crash in /usr/bin/X(FindGlyphRef+0x2c) [0x5277cc] on nvidia nvidia-glx-185, SMP quadcore" [Undecided,Confirmed]00:46
Sarvattlots :)00:46
Sarvattwill give it a few days and see if anyone reviews it before building test packages for people, not sure if its correct. the commit its referencing is from 2007 so its been around awhile00:48
Sarvattok, updated the wiki some more with these new symptoms01:35
Sarvatthttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Bugs that is01:38
RAOFBalls.  It looks like just *loading* vga16fb can annoy the precious flower that in nouveau.02:22
Sarvatthuh RAOF? vga16fb isn't loading at all in that guys blacklist=vga16fb dmesg03:10
RAOFRight.  And in that dmesg you'll note that nouveau complains a lot less? :)03:11
Sarvattoh i didnt look at the one with it, the blacklisted one still locks up as soon as it starts03:11
* Sarvatt has WAY too many tabs open03:11
RAOF:)03:12
Sarvatthttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-intel/+bug/44715903:12
ubottuUbuntu bug 447159 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[i945gm] Xorg assert failure: X: ../../src/i830_batchbuffer.h:79: intel_batch_emit_dword: Assertion `pI830->batch_ptr != ((void *)0)' failed." [Medium,Confirmed]03:12
Sarvattneeds some serious love03:12
* Sarvatt todo's03:12
SarvattRAOF whats the bug# for the nouveau guy?03:14
Sarvatti just had the dmesg tab open03:14
Sarvattnevermind I see it in #nouveau03:14
RAOF54295003:14
RAOFYah.03:14
Sarvatthmm, first though, that an AGP card?03:15
* Sarvatt looks03:15
Sarvattoh 6100 IGP..03:16
* Sarvatt has a 6150IGP booted up right next to me with nouveau03:16
Sarvattsure wish it was easier to see what commits we have in our kernel03:18
RAOFI recently learnt that “git log nouveau/master...” is git for “the commits in nouveau/master that aren't in your current HEAD”03:19
Sarvattall of nouveau was added in one commit03:21
RAOFThat's quite true.  Why was that command useful to me again?...03:21
RAOFOh!  Because we know that lucid has drm from 2.6.33, so you can find the commits in nouveau/master that aren't in 2.6.3303:23
RAOFAcutally, we now have drm from 2.6.33.1 I believe, but there weren't any nouveau commits of interest.03:24
Sarvattdont know what i'm gonna do with lbm-nouveau now that its 2.6.3403:26
Sarvatttheres more changes that touch nouveau outside of drm, some acpi change03:27
RAOFHow much does drivers/gpu/drm interact with stuff that's out of that tree?03:27
RAOFAh.03:28
RAOFMaybe it's time to switch to providing full-on kernels?03:28
RAOFThat shouldn't be *that* much more effort than updating lbm-nouveau.03:31
RAOF“lshw causes display to freak out”.  That's my sort of bug title.03:32
Sarvattyeaaah drivers/gpu/drm/nouveau/nouveau_irq.c where the messages are happening is a pretty rough read03:48
Sarvattthats happening for alot of people on intel right now for some reason03:49
Sarvattthe lshw -C video making the screen trippy, doesn't happen here03:49
RAOFI think there are rather a lot of duplicates of bug #535640 wandering in at the moment.04:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 535640 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[gm45] GPU lockup de05bf80bf83cd22541cb55f1a2ee99e (xorg crash when opening the laptop lid)" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53564004:02
Sarvattyeah which is odd since we had a patch to fix that in -1504:18
Sarvattsomething tells me it got dropped with the drm backport and its not in there04:19
Sarvattis EIR: 00000000 in those? batchbuffer I/O errors?04:20
* Sarvatt looks04:20
Sarvatt[   74.800222] render error detected, EIR: 0x0000000004:20
Sarvatt[   74.800252] [drm:i915_do_wait_request] *ERROR* i915_do_wait_request returns -5 (awaiting 2128 at 2125)04:20
Sarvattyup we are missing the patch, looking into it04:20
Sarvattit wasn't upstream yet and I think it got dropped04:21
Sarvatti'll ping smb since apw is on vacation, we did drop the patch04:24
Sarvattthat affected *alot* of machines, theres probably dozens of other dupes of that now04:33
RAOFYup.  I'm wandering through them.04:37
* RAOF sings the “...upon closing the laptop lid...” song.04:37
RAOF...and that's the last of the intel bugmail.  Has the nouveaufixes kernel built yet? :)04:47
Sarvattnouveaufixes kernel?04:50
RAOFJust pulling a couple of patches from nouveau/linux-2.604:52
RAOFParticularly: mark LVDS as unknown if lid-closed, the slight monitor timing fix for VGA outputs, and fixing framebuffer fonts with width%8 != 004:53
RAOFI'm going to guess that bug #540017 is *also* that missing patch :)04:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 540017 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "i915 crashes after resume (not powersave mode problem)" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54001704:54
Sarvatttheres a few grctx update commits too04:57
Sarvattyeah but that guy is on a 945, i haven't seen that issue on <965 so I didn't dupe it yet but it does look the same04:57
RAOFYeah.04:58
RAOFSarvatt: Have you seen a number of intel bugs where the drm bails because agpgart loads *after* drm tries to initialise?05:11
Sarvattno actually, I haven't come across any of those yet in ubuntu05:13
RAOFbug #542251 seems to be one, but I think I saw some more during my mail-purge.05:14
ubottuLaunchpad bug 542251 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "Compiz broken in Lucid Beta 1" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54225105:14
RAOFI wonder if it's reproducible?05:14
Sarvattwith these 5 second SSD boots I bet it is a big problem..05:17
SarvattRAOF: if you see an error like agp loading after drm in dmesg would ya mind pasting that chunk into the bug description so its searchable?05:24
RAOFOk.05:25
Sarvatthelps *alot* later on finding dupes like https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=*ERROR*+Cannot+initialize+the+agpgart+module&orderby=-importance&search=Search&field.status:list=NEW&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITH_RESPONSE&field.status:list=INCOMPLETE_WITHOUT_RESPONSE&field.status:list=CONFIRMED&field.status:list=TRIAGED&field.status:list=INPROGRESS&field.status:list=FIXCOMMITTED&field.assignee=&field.bug_reporter=&field.05:26
Sarvattomit_dupes=on&field.has_patch=&field.has_no_package=05:26
Sarvatterr05:27
Sarvatthttps://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.searchtext=*ERROR*+Cannot+initialize+the+agpgart+module05:27
Sarvattupstream people really want all agp modules built in :(05:28
RAOFReally?  Why?05:29
Sarvatti'd have to dig through mails to find reasons, i've just seen it brought up by the radeon and intel people a ton of times over the past year05:31
Sarvattthink there was a recent thread on intel-gfx about it, lets see..05:32
Sarvatthere we go05:37
Sarvatthttp://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=1f7a6e372e9cb4d749f34c0738d832e6cadb407105:37
RAOFOk, so that's probably not in our tree.05:37
Sarvattnope was post .3305:37
Sarvattthought i saw it recently05:38
Sarvatthmm it looks like it just fails to load if agp isn't already loaded, not sure that it tries again?05:38
RAOFIt uses the magic of linkage.05:39
RAOFYou'll notice that intel-agp.c exports the symbol that i915 consumes?  That should ensure that intel-agp is loaded before i915.05:40
RAOFAt least, that's my understanding of it.  By explicitly depending on a symbol in intel-agp, i915 will be guaranteed to load after intel-agp, which will have done its init.05:41
RAOFAre you going to attach that patch to the bug?05:42
Sarvattok so thats 3 patches now I'll see if stable will take05:42
Sarvattyepyep05:42
* RAOF :note to self. Don't try to rsync /proc06:00
tjaaltonairlied mentioned it once that he's probably going to make the agp modules mandatory (built-in)06:13
RAOFIt seems like a rich seam of bugs is possible if drm only depends on the agp core, which won't actually provide the necessary stuff until the platform-specific module is loaded.06:15
Sarvatti've seen it happen on radeon too and they just say agp should be built into the kernel06:28
Sarvattsheesh so many dupes for that 965 hang06:29
Sarvattat least its super easy to spot, EIR is 0000000 and do_wait_request returns -5 (which is -EIO) in current dmesg06:32
Sarvattfound a bunch more dupes for the agp one too06:33
arabryceh, hello, still around?06:53
Sarvattthats a new one - intel_gpu_dump: page allocation failure. order:8, mode:0x40d007:20
Sarvattgetting close to  hitting 50 dupes tonight on https://launchpad.net/bugs/535640 :D07:21
ubottuUbuntu bug 535640 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[gm45] GPU lockup de05bf80bf83cd22541cb55f1a2ee99e (xorg crash when opening the laptop lid)" [Unknown,Confirmed]07:21
Sarvattoh only 27 so far, i was going by the total bug count on -intel and someone else must be working it :D07:22
Sarvattahhh so these two bugs are intertwined07:46
Sarvattwe've got DPMS events hanging the GPU, then batchbuffer I/O errors, then in comes the "X: ../../src/i830_batchbuffer.h:79: intel_batch_emit_dword: Assertion `pI830->batch_ptr != ((void *)0)' failed." from the other bug with tons of dupes07:47
Sarvattfound one of the dupes that showed both bugs happening in one log and it all makes sense now :)  http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41051827/GdmLog2.txt07:49
jcristauSarvatt: ewww order 8 allocation?  that's... bad.09:01
RAOFSarvatt: I've wandered through and duped a bunch of bugs that one. :)09:06
brycehara, hi09:13
jibelcould you have a look at bug 544781 . nvidia-96 failed to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04. Thanks.10:47
ubottuLaunchpad bug 544781 in nvidia-graphics-drivers-96 "nvidia-96 96.43.14-0ubuntu11 failed to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04: Error! Application of patch fall_back_on_mtrr_if_no_pat.patch failed." [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54478110:47
RAOFWell, that's pretty cool.  We've managed to russtle up a guy with some hardware where the -nv driver can only drive the LVDS and the nvidia driver can only drive an external monitor.10:51
bryceh%-)10:53
* tormod curses xchat-gnome12:14
bjsnidertormod, just use xchat12:43
bjsniderxchat-gnome is notable for being functionally challenged12:44
tormodbjsnider, thanks I'll try it, this time connections were acting up after resume12:46
komputesbryceh: So, any ideas what is causing gnome-session to flip my screen (Bug #544813). Any testing/troubleshooting you would like me to preform?15:59
ubottuLaunchpad bug 544813 in xserver-xorg-video-intel "[Lucid Beta] after gdm, screen is backwards, upside down." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54481315:59
jcristaukomputes: bogus stuff in ~/.config/monitors.xml (or whatever it's called)16:00
komputesjcristau: would you like me to remoce and test again (I think I have already tried this)16:01
tjaaltoncreate a new user and try with it16:01
komputesjcristau: the monitor is not flipped upside down as gnome-display-properties proposes it, if you look carefully, the items are flipped inside out16:02
komputestjaalton: I have done this as well, but will try it again now16:02
tjaaltonnice effect16:03
tjaaltonso just the upper panel flipped over16:05
tjaaltonboth actually16:05
tseliotkomputes: I guess your problem is that you're using the wrong libraries for your driver16:06
tseliotkomputes: how did you switch between drivers?16:06
tjaaltonthis isn't a driver issue16:07
tjaaltonthe panels are mirrored somehow16:07
komputestseliot: jockey-gtk16:07
tseliottjaalton: which is why I didn't call it driver issue ;)16:07
komputesyes, but when entering and exiting gnome-session, the windows/screen is notmal for a second16:07
tjaaltontseliot: wrong libGL could do that?16:08
tseliottjaalton: yep16:08
komputestseliot: however I did reproduce it to see if it constantly fails after installing the nvidia driver and it does seem to be the root cause 16:08
tjaaltonalrighty16:09
tseliotkomputes: let me rephrase my question, what did you do to switch between drivers in Jockey?16:09
tseliotand did you restart your computer?16:10
tseliotI suspect that you're using Nvidia's libGL with intel16:10
komputestseliot: i plugged in the usb key, ran kockey, downloaded nvidia driver, rebooted, changed the resolution and wrote to xorg.conf, moved usb key to mini 9, removed xorg.conf from tty, restarted, and screen was flipped.16:11
komputestseliot: shouldn't bulletproof-X know better?16:11
tseliotkomputes: you should have disabled nvidia from Jockey first16:11
komputestseliot: I don't remember having to do this before16:12
komputestseliot: how can I disable it from a TTY?16:12
tseliotyes, provided that X fails to start16:12
tseliotkomputes: sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf16:12
tseliotsudo ldconfig16:12
komputestseliot: so i need to diable nvidia from jockey and remove the xorg.conf every time i move my USB key to another computer?16:13
tseliotsudo update-initramfs -u16:13
tseliotand reboot16:13
tseliotkomputes: yep, or you can do it manually16:13
tseliotdisabling nvidia shouldn't remove the package though, I'll talk again to pitti about this16:14
komputestseliot: any way around this, that it could be made to auto-detect?16:14
komputes(as I believe this has worked in previous releases)16:14
tseliotkomputes: things were quite different in previous releases16:14
tjaaltonand they didn't work16:15
tjaaltonlike you suggest16:15
tjaaltonkomputes: ^16:15
komputesthanks Alberto16:15
komputestjaalton: will test to make sure, cheers16:15
tseliotnp16:17
Sarvatthmm, newest blob is failing to resume about 1 in 5 times and not having any luck finding out why unlike before16:45
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Sarvatthmm, think this would work? I know its a horrible hack, not sure if it's correct and wont be around a machine I can try it on until tonight - http://sarvatt.com/downloads/patches/0001-hw-xfree86-common-xf86AutoConfig.c-Append-Module-sec.patch18:42
Sarvattnvidia works without an xorg.conf but it loads libglx.so from /usr/lib/xorg/modules/extensions/ instead of /usr/lib/extra-modules/ where nvidia-current puts it unless there's a module section explicitly loading glx18:45
Sarvattso it loads SGI-GLX stuff instead of NV-GLX, thats the only thing stopping us from having no a xorg.conf nvidia blob. not sure about fglrx though18:47
Sarvattfglrx looks strange, its not installing stuff to /usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules like nvidia is and still has an xsession script changing LIBGL_DRIVERS_PATH and LD_LIBRARY_PATH?18:50
tjaaltonstill, if you have a conffile it'll only try the one on the top of the list18:53
tjaaltonso if you put a blob in there it'll fail if you don't have it installed...18:53
Sarvatti dont know for sure but it looks like disabling nvidia-current will unset the extra-modules alternative link so the libglx from there wouldn't be used anyway and wouldn't hurt?19:46
Sarvatti'll put it on a ppa with a change to prefer nvidia first then nouveau and test it out on a bunch of configurations20:30
Sarvattoops, thought disabling FBC didn't actually work afterall since I started getting hangs again today but I didnt notice we got a -17 kernel update that overwrote my old one :D21:18
brycehheh21:21
Sarvatthmm, anyone else having problems with gnome-terminal after todays updates? its blacking out my screen except a sliver of the panel until i move the cursor out of the gnome-terminal window, this has been happening for awhile but its happened at least 10 times today vs once a week for the past few weeks21:39
Sarvattok *thats* odd, someone reporting lshw corrupts their display on my exact machine21:44
tjaaltonxserver merge pushed to git, not build-tested though. wondering if more of the udeb support needs to be dropped21:51
Sarvatthmm, I wonder if lshw screwing up the display might be related to having vga16fb on fb1, only difference i can see between me and this bug report with my machine21:54
tjaaltonor bdeps relaxed21:54
RAOFSarvatt: That's an excellent guess.  Let's see...21:54
Sarvattrebooting now to find out21:55
RAOFWell, doesn't kill *this* laptop.21:56
Sarvatthmm, i should use a livecd incase its different, all these bugs are21:56
BUGabundoI'm truly disappointed... installed Lucid on a recently new Desktop PC, running on a 64GB SSD, with Win7 and VirtualBox. install time inside the VM: 2-3min. boottime: 2-3 sec till gdm.  after installing guest additions X would not start :(22:19
Sarvattyay22:26
Sarvattlivecd + lshw -C network = trippy colors22:26
BUGabundoahaha22:28
BUGabundooh man22:28
BUGabundoI remember gusty22:28
BUGabundoI had so many colors on my screen back then22:28
kklimondaBUGabundo: hmm? you have a computer with win7?22:38
BUGabundono22:38
BUGabundoit wasn't mine22:38
BUGabundofrom a friend22:38
BUGabundohe was showing off how fast the SSD was22:39
BUGabundoso I installed Ubuntu on it22:39
kklimondainside vm?22:40
BUGabundoyep22:40
BUGabundovirtual box22:40
BUGabundoit was SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO fast22:40
BUGabundoI was planning buying a 32GB ssd. now I definitely want one22:40
kklimonda:)22:41
* baptistemm have a 160 GB ssd disk :p22:45
BUGabundoyou did???22:45
baptistemmand yes this blazing fast to boot22:45
BUGabundohow much did that baby cost22:45
baptistemmand even for testing vm this really really valuable22:45
baptistemmBUGabundo, too much22:46
BUGabundoI bet22:46
BUGabundoat current cost its around 400-500€22:46
BUGabundofor a 128GB22:46
BUGabundoso a 160 who whooo22:46
baptistemmI paid mine 350€22:52
baptistemmcoming from taiwan22:52
kklimondahow long is life expentancy for ssd disks?22:54
BUGabundoahh that's _cheap_22:58
BUGabundokklimonda: depends *very* much on manufacture and series22:58
RAOFAnd correlates well with cost - the best ones will be single-level cells, and will cost a bomb.22:59
BUGabundoon those without realiners you can count with about 10k re-writes for sector22:59
BUGabundoon the most recent, dynamic reallocation , and extra sectors, from high brand manufactures (intel, coz, etc) something like 500k-1M re-writes23:00
BUGabundoyou got entry level kingston for 150€ for 32GBs23:05
BUGabundoand intel is launching a new series of their famous X25 for entry price23:05
baptistemmBUGabundo, mine is a x25 g223:07
BUGabundodon't know the g2 series23:08
brycehRAOF, btw when you get a chance look at #545493 - this is from a friend of mine here in Portland23:14
RAOFHm.  Someone complaining about poor compiz performance with nouveau.23:16
Sarvattlol23:17
RAOFActually, it seems to be just mis-filed against nouveau; the user doesn't seem to be using the PPA, so...23:18
tormodbryceh, now that Benjamin has triaged bug 544904, is anything else needed or can I trust the archive managers to get to it?23:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 544904 in xserver-xorg-video-sis "please sync xserver-xorg-video-sis 1:0.10.2-2 from Debian unstable main" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54490423:19
Sarvattnot a single 965 GPU hang report that isn't a dupe of the DPMS problem23:20
brycehSarvatt, wow23:20
brycehtormod, should be good.  Note that the sync processing crew is a bit slow so might be a few days23:21
tormodis anyone gonna merge -ati? I can volunteer but not today23:21
* tormod reboots into 2.6.32-1723:22
Sarvattnot sure its a good idea :D23:23
brycehSarvatt, why?23:25
Sarvatthttps://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27186 23:25
ubottuFreedesktop bug 27186 in Driver/Radeon "Visual corruption with new r6xx/r7xx accel code" [Normal,Resolved: fixed]23:25
brycehoh yeah23:25
RAOFSarvatt: There's no lbm-nouveau for -17 yet, is there?23:25
Sarvattfixed just today but the fix isnt in 6.12.19223:26
brycehSarvatt, but it's marked fixed23:26
RAOFSorry, should just look myself :/23:26
brycehwell, we can pull the patch in23:26
SarvattRAOF: i uploaded it like 8 hours ago but its mozilla-ed I think23:26
brycehtormod, if you can get to it tomorrow I'll be happy to sponsor it23:26
brycehotherwise it's on my todo list to do this week23:27
Sarvattlooking through the lshw code to see how to get around it turning the drmfb into the vga16fb..23:27
RAOFCan we just make vga16fb fail to load when we've got a real framebuffer?23:28
RAOFAs I say, then nouveau guys are paranoid about it messing things up.23:28
Sarvattwe've got a silly patch to vga16fb making it bind to all video devices 23:30
tormodbryceh, ok I'll either try tomorrow or not at all :)23:30
RAOFSarvatt: Why?  Can we drop that patch?23:30
* Sarvatt wishes plymouth could be deferred to MM..23:30
brycehSarvatt, what's that patch against? kernel?23:31
Sarvattso there's a FB for plymouth to use for any video card always23:31
Sarvattyeah its in ubuntu-lucid.git23:32
Sarvattthey added that back in november or december23:32
RAOFCan't we just have that keybuk's swanky text-boot?  That looks awesome :)23:32
Sarvattswanky text-boot?23:32
Sarvattyou mean the splash you see when you dont have KMS?23:32
RAOFYeah; the one you'll get currently if you don't have kms.23:32
Sarvattbecause that needs a color framebuffer23:32
RAOFbryceh: #545493 dealt with; nouveau kernel ABI bump in xorg-edgers strikes again!23:33
RAOFNow, coffee.23:34
Sarvattheyo tormod! :)23:34
tormodhey sarvatt :)23:36
Sarvatttormod: you have an rv515 don't you? do you have any problems with lucid at the moment?23:41
tormodSarvatt, I haven't got to test it with lucid yet. maybe friday.23:42
Sarvattahh ok, there are alot of complaints from people on RV515 and RV530 with 2.6.33's drm23:42
Sarvattradeon.new_pll=0 is fixing it for RV530 people but haven't figured out the RV515 flickering problems yet23:43
tormodthe irc log mentions savage DRI trouble? I have to test that again also, now that the X crasher got fixed23:46
Sarvattyeah savage is horrible at the moment with so many clutter based apps, clutter completely falls apart on savage because it only has 16 bit visuals and breaks some assumptions it has23:48
tormodI think savage can do 24 bit, but 16 bit is default because it works better and many cards have little VRAM23:52
tormodwill clutter be fixed?23:52
RAOFIsn't clutter 1.2 supposed to be better about that?  That's getting merged in soon.23:55
Sarvattsweet, it is?!23:55
RAOFYup.  GNOME 2.30 requires it, apparently.23:56
Sarvatt1.2 is a lot better about it but it still needs fixes23:56
Sarvattoh mutter counts for gnome 2.30? thought that was the only thing requiring 1.223:56
Sarvattone sec, I'll find the bug where some guy posted some patches for clutter 1.2 branch to work on savage23:56
Sarvattit was that netbook launcher bug you were working on RAOF23:56
Sarvatthttps://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/46747423:57
ubottuUbuntu bug 467474 in mesa "netbook-launcher crashed with SIGSEGV in glGetString()" [Undecided,Confirmed]23:57

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