[01:31] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[01:43] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone seen jjesse?
[02:07] <DarkwingDuck> BRB
[02:48] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ping
[03:16] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: pong
[03:16] <DarkwingDuck> Yay!
[03:16] <DarkwingDuck> emails away
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> night all.
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I'll be around tomorrow
[09:13] <apachelogger> no body is saying anything :(
[10:37]  * Riddell tickles apachelogger 
[10:52]  * apachelogger giggles
[12:07] <rgreening> Riddell: I need to get my kubuntu-dev. What do I need to do? Update my old motu app and create a wiki for it for kubuntu-dev app and then ask for a meeting?
[12:10] <Riddell> rgreening: yep
[12:10] <rgreening> ok.
[12:11] <Riddell> want to be the chief ninja for the 4.4.2 packaging?  that would make it an easy application to approve
[12:13] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw whats the path to becoming a ninja? do you have to be a member?
[12:14] <Riddell> shadeslayer: simply help out when a new KDE release needs packaging
[12:14] <Riddell> you can become a member by doing ninja helping
[12:15] <Riddell> shadeslayer: so 4.4.2 tars should appear tomorrow, we'll need those packaged for lucid and karmic and tested in triplicate before uploading
[12:16] <Riddell> shadeslayer: I invited you to the top secret ninjas channel
[12:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: thanks :D
[12:18] <shadeslayer> Riddell: will this last forever?
[12:19] <Riddell> once a ninja, always a ninja
[12:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: \o/
[12:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh btw im starting to package choqok beta 1
[12:21] <Riddell> nice, let us know when it's available for testing
[12:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: sure :)
[12:22]  * shadeslayer checks LP builders...
[12:22] <shadeslayer> heh... 14hrs for the amd64 one :D
[12:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: btw package name should be choqok-0.9.55b right? following choqok-0.9.55a
[12:23] <Riddell> dunno, what's the version number used by upstream?
[12:23] <shadeslayer> Riddell: choqok-0.9.55
[12:24] <Riddell> so what's the a or b for?
[12:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: we used choqok_0.9.55a in our repos
[12:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: alpha beta probably
[12:24] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[12:24] <shadeslayer> Riddell: im not entirely sure though
[12:25] <Riddell> if 0.9.55 is the beta and that's what we have in our archive that means we already have this in the archive
[12:28] <rgreening> Riddell: I can do...
[12:28] <Riddell> rgreening: you sound hesitant
[12:28] <rgreening> lol
[12:28] <rgreening> not at all
[12:28] <Riddell> rgreening: are you on the kde-packager mailing list?
[12:28] <rgreening> I have a "can do" positive attitude
[12:29] <rgreening> Riddell: not that I am aware of.
[12:29] <rgreening> whats the link to sign up for that
[12:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: um actually the package hasnt been updated once,and it seems to uploaded during the alpha release of choqok
[12:30] <Riddell> rgreening: sign up for notification of what the tars appear https://mail.kde.org/mailman/listinfo/kde-packager
[12:30] <Riddell> rgreening: use your kubuntu e-mail address so they know where you are
[12:30] <Riddell> rgreening: do you have access to ktown?
[12:30] <rgreening> ok
[12:30] <shadeslayer> Riddell: meh.. it is the beta version
[12:30] <shadeslayer> just checked the changelog
[12:31] <rgreening> Riddell: I remember getting into it a while back
[12:31] <Riddell> rgreening: ssh ftpubuntu@ktown.kde.org to check
[12:31] <shadeslayer> Riddell: any other stuff that needs packaging? small stuff...
[12:32] <Riddell> shadeslayer: check the sponsorship queue?
[12:32] <shadeslayer> Riddell: the REVU one?
[12:32] <Riddell> rgreening: when the time comes clear out https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging and do the !ninjas thing for the bot and get everyone packaging
[12:33] <rgreening> ok
[12:33] <rgreening> Im in to ktown
[12:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: http://people.canonical.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/
[12:33] <Riddell> shadeslayer: see if there's anything KDEish we care about in there
[12:34] <shadeslayer> Riddell: oh and idk why but plasma-widget-networkmanagement doesnt pick up wifi at my uni,but does so at my home 0_o
[12:35] <Riddell> rgreening: make sure pacakging gets committed to bzr, make sure karmic packaging gets updated from the current backports packaging.  make sure the packages get into the ninjas PPA and built and tested there
[12:35] <Riddell> rgreening: I'm away tomorrow and friday so I'm counting on you to keep everyone right! :)
[12:36] <rgreening> If I get stuck, Im sure Jon or Harlod will offer advice :)
[12:36] <rgreening> Harold that is
[12:36] <rgreening> lol
[12:36] <Riddell> lex and neversfelde are top ninjas too
[12:36] <rgreening> ya
[12:38] <shadeslayer> oh btw can someone post the default bashrc for karmic? i get no colors with grep :P
[12:38] <shadeslayer> s/karmic/lucid
[12:43] <ejat> shadeslayer: :)
[12:43] <shadeslayer> ejat: ?
[12:43] <ejat> nvm ..
[12:44] <shadeslayer> ejat: :P
[12:45] <ejat> u should check the grep alias ..
[12:45] <shadeslayer> ejat: yeah.. also the ls alias... but it would be better if i could copy paste the original bashrc..
[12:46] <ejat> alias grep='grep --color=auto'
[12:46] <shadeslayer> ill boot the iso in kvm and copy the default one from there
[12:46] <ejat> alias ls='ls --color=auto'
[12:47] <ejat> shadeslayer: yeah .. thats better :D
[12:47] <ejat> finally .. the openclipart get fixed..
[12:51] <shadeslayer> lol...
[12:52] <shadeslayer> i just replied to a guy and my reply becomes favorited in like micro seconds
[12:53]  * shadeslayer uploads choqok git version
[15:14] <txwikinger> Is there a way to run GNOME applets under KDE?
[15:15] <Tm_T> which applets you mean?
[15:16] <txwikinger> Just in general
[15:17] <Tm_T> well, systray applets works as is
[15:19] <DarkwingDuck> hmm... Wonder if nixternal is back yet
[15:19] <nixternal> yup
[15:20] <Tm_T> no he is not
[15:20]  * Tm_T hides nixternal
[15:21] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: you get the email?
[15:21] <nixternal> yup
[15:21] <DarkwingDuck> speaking of my next question... there is jjesse
[15:21] <nixternal> yahooanswerfail.com is good stuff :)
[15:22] <DarkwingDuck> lol'
[15:23] <DarkwingDuck> Bug reporting for Lucid: http://havethebuttonsmovedbackyet.com/
[15:23] <nixternal> haha, saw that last night
[15:24] <shadeslayer> nice
[15:25] <DarkwingDuck> I about died
[15:27] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[15:28] <shadeslayer> Also http://isthemusicstorereadyyet.com/
[15:28]  * shadeslayer wants amarok integration
[15:29]  * DarkwingDuck agrees
[15:29] <nixternal> why pay for music when you can torrent it? I want a torrent store in my amarok :p
[15:29] <shadeslayer> Neglection of kubuntu has to stop :P
[15:29] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: whats up?
[15:29] <shadeslayer> nixternal: lawll
[15:30] <shadeslayer> nixternal: well.... your'e right...
[15:30]  * shadeslayer hides his torrents under the bed
[15:30] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: my desktop doc i think included most of the config-desktop one
[15:31] <DarkwingDuck> I want Jono's collection
[15:31] <shadeslayer> :D
[15:31] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse, nixternal I wonder if they should be merged instead of a seperate one.
[15:32] <jjesse> i would argue they hsould be merged and make mine validate :)
[15:32] <nixternal> haha
[15:32] <DarkwingDuck> That works too :P How much you got done?
[15:32]  * DarkwingDuck ducks
[15:32] <nixternal> jjesse: yours is easy to validate silly once you see the double tab
[15:32] <nixternal> s/tab/tag/
[15:33] <jjesse> nixternal: that would mean i would spend time looking at it :)
[15:33] <nixternal> "How to I become autistic so I can with at casinos?"  - I am telling you, yahooanswerfail.com is killing me this morning
[15:33] <nixternal> today is the last day, we only have 6.5 hours left
[15:33]  * yuriy_ mourns the loss of speedcrunch by default
[15:33] <jjesse> from the link in the ubuntu-us-mi
[15:34] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: to get the docs in?
[15:34] <nixternal> yup
[15:34] <nixternal> If your Blood Alcohol Levis is above .10 and you get bit by a mesquito does the mesquito get drunk?
[15:34] <nixternal> s/Levis/Level
[15:35] <nixternal> must be wearin' some tight fittin' jeans
[15:36] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: what else needs to be done in the next 6 hours?
[15:36] <nixternal> the docs that are still WIP on the list
[15:36]  * DarkwingDuck takes a look
[15:37] <DarkwingDuck> Hardware, Office and Config-desktop...
[15:37] <DarkwingDuck> I think most of config was covered my desktop...
[15:37] <DarkwingDuck> Hardware and Office are the two other ones...
[15:37] <DarkwingDuck> my=by
[15:38] <nixternal> my oh my. this stuff is hilarious
[15:39] <nixternal> Q: Do black people have feelings?    A: Yes. Everyone has feelings. Except the Russians. The Russians are to bad ass to have emotions.
[15:39] <nixternal> AHAHAHA: Q: How to get YouTube to come film you?
[15:40] <yuriy> A: do something stupid. anything. then film it yourself you lazy bum.
[15:41] <DarkwingDuck> ohhh my... this is amazing
[15:42] <nixternal> the best yet!  Q: Can a female dog get preg by human male?   A: Yes, just look at Paris Hilton
[15:42] <nixternal> hahahahahahahahahahaha
[15:43] <nixternal> ok, I gotta stop..I have work to do
[15:43] <jjesse> my favorite, how do you remove playdoh from your vagina
[15:43] <DarkwingDuck> I like to get a woman pregnant by telling them I'm sterile... Is this morally wrong? ROFL
[15:47] <nixternal> jjesse: waiting to hear back concerning the clearance
[15:47]  * shadeslayer_ wonders why plymouth still doesnt booteth with the nvidia driver
[15:47] <nixternal> she said it could take a bit because my status is "unimportant"
[15:47] <nixternal> damn government
[15:48] <jjesse> damn the government
[15:48] <DarkwingDuck> yeah damn the... wait... they give me a paycheck
[15:48] <nixternal> why I would want to do anything for them is beyond me, I am starting to think this job could be potentially detrimental to my beliefs
[15:48] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: http://www.yahooanswerfail.com/page/17/   The Fone question
[15:48] <shadeslayer_> DarkwingDuck: which comes out of taxes.. so youre actually paying the govt to pay you to pay the govt :D
[15:48] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: is that a paycheck or is tips?
[15:49] <DarkwingDuck> Oh I know... isn't that great?
[15:49] <nixternal> shadeslayer_: we don't pay taxes
[15:49] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: The way my chief rams us I'm thinking its tips
[15:49] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: or do you pay taxes now
[15:49] <DarkwingDuck> Yup
[15:49] <DarkwingDuck> They ram me for taxes
[15:50] <DarkwingDuck> Its not cool
[15:50] <nixternal> oh that sucks. I know I didn't pay state taxes while I was in, but I did file federal
[15:50] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: what is your rank again?
[15:50] <DarkwingDuck> State and Federal
[15:50] <DarkwingDuck> E-5
[15:50] <nixternal> you qualify for welfare
[15:50] <DarkwingDuck> Nope
[15:50] <nixternal> since when?
[15:50] <DarkwingDuck> I pulled 61K last year
[15:50] <nixternal> wtf
[15:50] <nixternal> in the navy?
[15:50] <DarkwingDuck> BAH
[15:50] <nixternal> you are burnin' some books
[15:51] <DarkwingDuck> +3 kids
[15:51] <shadeslayer_> nixternal: i bet you have a country of your own...
[15:51] <nixternal> come on now
[15:51] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I'll have to show you a copy of my LES
[15:51] <nixternal> myself, my x-wife, and daughter, at E7 didn't even rake in 61k
[15:51] <DarkwingDuck> from december
[15:51] <shadeslayer_> http://x.dtott.com/clock/
[15:51] <nixternal> barely 41k
[15:51] <nixternal> must be nice to be in the military now
[15:51] <DarkwingDuck> I'm basing that off of My YTD etitlements from December
[15:52] <nixternal> except for those stupid uniforms :D
[15:52] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[15:58] <Mamarok> apachelogger or neversfelde: could we have a newer package of Kraft in a PPA? the shipped version is 2 years old :(
[15:58] <Mamarok> dragotin would be very happy :)
[16:00] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: thanks... i cant stop laughing. http://www.yahooanswerfail.com/inspirational-bible-quote-fail/
[16:08] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: i might be able to look into it.. im searching for packages to update :P
[16:09] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ugh...KDE 3 app?
[16:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: nope, KDE4
[16:10] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: he has beta tarballs already, release of the final will be in approx. 1 month
[16:10] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Kraft?content=54172
[16:10] <shadeslayer_> right?
[16:11] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ah can you point me to them?
[16:11] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: http://sf.net/projects/kraft
[16:12] <Mamarok> we are demonstrating it here at OpenExpo, so a package where we could point the Kubuntu users to would be great :)
[16:12] <shadeslayer_> ah thanks
[16:12]  * Mamarok has distributed all the 9.10 CDs she had left
[16:12] <Mamarok> and demonstrating Lucid beta1
[16:13] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ok well ill try this tonight,if its done ill upload it to my ppa,else youll have to find someone else since im going to TEDx for days :P
[16:13] <Quintasan> \o
[16:13] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: hey :)
[16:13] <Quintasan> shadeslayer_: sup?
[16:14] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: nothing much... there was a fest in the college today... and theres one on the 30th and 31st again :P
[16:14] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: could you point me to the PPA?
[16:15] <Mamarok> so I have ab eye on it and can try it out :)
[16:15] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse, nixternal, with the remaining docs, how you want to divvy those up?
[16:15] <Quintasan> oh man lucky
[16:15] <Mamarok> an*
[16:15]  * Quintasan has only tests
[16:15] <Quintasan> :P
[16:15] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: lp.net/~rohangarg
[16:15] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: thanks a bunch :)
[16:15] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: probably the playground PPA
[16:15] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: no guarantees :P
[16:15] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: dunno if I will have time to actual doc work, but if needed, gimme the less of the evils
[16:16] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: no problem, would be cool to have :)
[16:17]  * Quintasan goes to cpp magic
[16:17] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: glad to help :)
[16:17] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: hehe
[16:17] <DarkwingDuck> Okay. jjesse, unless you have something finished for config I can take (or you can) what I have for desktop and merge the two (desktop and config-desktop) and we'll both push out one doc. Office and Hardware
[16:17] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: *and* i get to go to TEDx this weekend
[16:17] <Quintasan> TEDx?
[16:18] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: its TED based event org. independently
[16:18]  * Quintasan wonders if he should bother applying for UDS
[16:18] <shadeslayer_> Quintasan: http://www.tedxiitroorkee.com/
[16:18] <Quintasan> I'm not 18 years old and I wonder what I will be doing there :S
[16:18] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: and I could point you to the developer directly, he is standing at my side :)
[16:19] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ah that would be cool
[16:19] <shadeslayer_> i can directly get the build deps from him ;)
[16:19] <shadeslayer_> instead of waiting 1-2 hrs for pbuilder to do its stuff
[16:20] <Mamarok> shadeslayer_: well, what do you need exactly? He made some packages with the OpenSuSE build service
[16:21] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ask him the names of the packages kraft depends on...
[16:21] <Mamarok> build.opensuse.org, but I don't know if the Kubuntu packages generated are useable
[16:21] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: a general idea would do...
[16:21] <Mamarok> wait, I give him my keyboard
[16:21] <shadeslayer_> sure
[16:21] <Mamarok> hi
[16:21] <Mamarok> this is dragotin ;-)
[16:21] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: hi :D
[16:21] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ok can you tell me which packages kraft depends on?
[16:22] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: as in like which ones do i need to compile it
[16:22] <Mamarok> sure, its kdelibs4, kdepimlibs and ctemplate
[16:22] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ok and thats it right?
[16:22] <Mamarok> and you probably want to depend on sqlite and the qt sql driver for it
[16:22] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ok...
[16:23] <shadeslayer_> ill have to search that package in kubuntu...
[16:23] <Mamarok> I hope you have ctemplate
[16:23] <shadeslayer_> i think libqt4-sql is the one
[16:23] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: libctemplate-dev - A simple but powerful template language for C++ - development files
[16:24] <Mamarok> cool, thats it
[16:24] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: :D
[16:24] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: and does it use cmake?
[16:24] <shadeslayer_> for building kraft?
[16:25] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ^^
[16:25] <Mamarok> yes
[16:26] <shadeslayer_> Mamarok: ok thanks for the info.. thats all i need about right now :D
[16:26] <shadeslayer_> ill poke around motu for more help if i need it :D
[16:26] <Mamarok> sorry, I forgot two deps: python-trml2pdf libctemplate0 pdftk libqt4-sql-sqlite libkdepimlibs4
[16:26] <Mamarok> python-trml2pdf and pdftk
[16:27] <Mamarok> I hope you have them
[16:27] <shadeslayer_> lemme searcg
[16:28] <Mamarok> pdftk is recommended, so if it is missing, no worries
[16:28] <Mamarok> but the python-trml2pdf is important
[16:29] <Mamarok> it converts some xml derivate to pdf
[16:29] <Mamarok> the source is at sf.net/projects/kraft as well
[16:29] <Mamarok> it was quite unmaintained and I picked it
[16:30] <Mamarok> you want to check there: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/home:/kfreitag:/Kraft/xUbuntu_9.04/
[16:31] <Mamarok> well, you _might_ want to check... ;-)
[16:31] <Mamarok> but dont laugh about my deb packaging skills ;)
[16:35] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: why don't you take what i have
[16:35] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: trying to get several things done tonight and you migt be more successful then me
[16:42] <lex79> Riddell: python-qt4, qscintilla2, sip4-qt3 https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages
[16:44] <Riddell> lex79: oh?  what's new?
[16:44] <lex79> bugfix releases....
[16:54] <DarkwingDuck> Okay jjesse. Did you have anything writted for either office or config-desktop?
[16:58] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: which topic should I do?
[16:58] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: only ones left are office and hardware
[16:58] <nixternal> I think, what we will have to do is quickly some up with something for hardware, or remove it for this release
[16:59] <nixternal> I will do hardware now, or see what options we have
[16:59] <nixternal> should I merge in your docs now or wait?
[16:59] <DarkwingDuck> Um, I'm going to toss together an office one.
[16:59] <DarkwingDuck> Or rather, fix the karmic one
[16:59] <nixternal> should I upload web and desktop then?
[16:59] <DarkwingDuck> and upload it for Lucid
[17:00] <nixternal> or commit them rather
[17:00] <DarkwingDuck> yeah... Have you look at them at all?
[17:00] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: i wrote stuff for office, though nixternal keeps telling me it is empty
[17:00] <nixternal> no :)
[17:00] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: roger
[17:00] <nixternal> jjesse: no, there is something in there
[17:00] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: lemme check
[17:00] <jjesse> ;P
[17:00] <nixternal> yes, there is stuff in office.xml
[17:01] <DarkwingDuck> Office is done
[17:01]  * DarkwingDuck thwaps jjesse for not updating the ToDo list
[17:02] <jjesse> welcome
[17:02] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[17:02] <DarkwingDuck> I fixed that
[17:03] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: what do you want to do with hardware?
[17:06] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: looking in on that
[17:06] <nixternal> I just fixed your desktop.xml file
[17:06]  * nixternal teaches DarkwingDuck scripts/validate.sh foo.xml
[17:06] <jjesse> might also want to teach me as well :P
[17:06] <nixternal> only jjesse can upload broken stuff
[17:06] <DarkwingDuck> hmm? :P
[17:06] <nixternal> lol
[17:06] <DarkwingDuck> Okay okay
[17:07] <DarkwingDuck> I kinda forgot to validate :(
[17:07] <jjesse> in the scrips folder it will tell you what you broke
[17:07] <nixternal> so what's up with config-desktop then? toss it?
[17:07] <DarkwingDuck> yeah,
[17:07] <nixternal> good, that's easier than getting it to validate :p
[17:07] <DarkwingDuck> I posted that it was merging with desktop on the ToDo wiki
[17:08]  * nixternal kicks jjesse for not having a validated office
[17:08] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I'm reviewing the Karmic hardware file to see if it is still valad.
[17:08] <DarkwingDuck> *Valid
[17:09] <nixternal> jjesse: it is guibutton, not guibuotton :p
[17:09] <DarkwingDuck> Nope
[17:09] <DarkwingDuck> Karmic hardware still talks about grub
[17:09] <DarkwingDuck> *sigh*
[17:10] <nixternal> did you guys spell check at all? I am about to find out....I shall bring down the hammah!
[17:11]  * DarkwingDuck puts himself in the corner with a pointed cap
[17:12] <Riddell> ScottK: I'm away for the next two days, are you able to do Kubuntu at the release team meeting on Friday?
[17:13] <jjesse> hah
[17:13] <jjesse> nixternal: i don't believe in spellcheckinga
[17:13] <ScottK> Riddell: Should be.  Can you update the wiki page before you go?
[17:13] <DarkwingDuck> nether doo ie.
[17:16] <nixternal> jjesse: I could tell, whereas DarkwingDuck had 1 typo in 2 docs, buttton, you had 2 per line :p
[17:17] <DarkwingDuck> 1 typo in 2 docs? Not too bad
[17:17]  * DarkwingDuck hands jjesse the pointy cap
[17:17] <jjesse> hey i was drinking while i was typing
[17:18] <nixternal> w00t, all docs built locally, time to debianize them, or in other words, create one hell of a nightmare
[17:18] <jjesse> yay
[17:18] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: are we nixing the hardware doc?
[17:18] <DarkwingDuck> just add it to Lucid +1 when we change to Mallard?
[17:19] <yuriy> Mallard? did you just make that up or was the name announced?
[17:19] <DarkwingDuck> yuriy: Mallard vice DocBook
[17:19] <yuriy> ohh
[17:19] <jjesse> mallard is a new way of writing docs
[17:19] <yuriy> just happens to be an animal with an M
[17:20] <jjesse> big in gnome
[17:20] <DarkwingDuck> LOL I know I didn't think of that.
[17:22] <DarkwingDuck> I still think Mandrake Moose should be the next one
[17:23] <jjesse> mandrake falls?
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> Or, like the Root
[17:24] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: haven't made up my mind yet on that doc
[17:24] <nixternal> still have a bit of time to massage it into shape if I need to
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, 4.5 hours
[17:24] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[17:25] <DarkwingDuck> It's the only remaining one actually...
[17:25] <DarkwingDuck> Not too bad for a re-write
[17:27] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i cant get in again ,i guess the invite was just for once :P
[17:29] <Riddell> hmm, really?  irc modes are a pain
[17:29] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hehe : 22:57 -!- Cannot join to channel #kubuntu-bunker (You must be invited)
[17:39] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: I am going to somewhat copy hardware from ubuntu-docs
[17:44] <shadeslayer> i can put the README of a program in debian/README.source right?
[17:45] <ScottK> Why would you do that?
[17:45] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok then what comes in README.source?
[17:45] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Mostly stuff about packaging or patching.  Nothing an end user would care about.
[17:46] <ScottK> Consult Debian/Ubuntu Policy for details.
[17:46] <shadeslayer> ah ok
[17:46] <shadeslayer> so i guess i can safely remove that to...
[17:47] <shadeslayer> hmmm... which section to choose...
[17:47] <shadeslayer> meh..stupid me
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ScottK: do we still add pkg-kde-tools as a build dep?
[17:59] <ScottK> For a KDE package, yes.
[17:59] <shadeslayer> ok
[17:59] <shadeslayer> im talking about lucid here tho :)
[18:00] <ScottK> Yes, I assumed so.
[18:00] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:00] <ScottK> You still want pkg-kde-tools.  What you don't want is cdbs.  You want to use debhelper based rules.
[18:01] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:02] <shadeslayer> !find libkdepiml
[18:02] <shadeslayer> !find libkdepim lucid
[18:02] <shadeslayer> ah there we go
[18:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: im also assuming that the new packaging format will detect the docbook in debian/ and i dont have to add a seprate override line like : override_dh_installdocs
[18:05] <shadeslayer> or do i have to add that?
[18:05] <ScottK> Not sure.  Build it and see.
[18:06] <shadeslayer> ScottK: um.. dont have a very fast connection... :)
[18:06] <shadeslayer> and i just created a pbuilder tarball
[18:11] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: that will work... You need any help with that?
[18:11] <shadeslayer> ejat: hey there :)
[18:13] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: I got it
[18:13] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: okay sweet.
[18:14] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Now we wait? LOL
[18:21] <shadeslayer> ScottK: what does : debhelper-but-no-misc-depends : mean... ive seen that error just once before...
[18:21] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: do we have a topic that has stuff about disks and partitions?
[18:21] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Read the detailed output of lintian, it explains that pretty clearly.
[18:21] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: Hardware in Karmic covered that...
[18:21] <shadeslayer> ok
[18:22] <shadeslayer> i just googled the error :P
[18:22] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: ok, just wanted to make sure before i typed this shit out
[18:22] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: roger
[18:24] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'm more excited about helping people who at least appear to have tried to figure stuff out on their own first.
[18:25] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i just remembered what apachelogger had said about lintian errors,most of them are googlable.. so im sorry
[18:25] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: any last minute testing on the netbook?
[18:26] <ScottK> Seems to be working pretty well.
[18:27] <ScottK> We'll need netbook testing with the new 4.4.2 packages we should have soonish.
[18:28] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: okay. I'll keep my eyes open for it then.
[18:33] <nixternal> besides the cli, what else can i use to show drive space available?
[18:34] <shadeslayer> nixternal: partitionmanager
[18:35] <DarkwingDuck> you can find it in dolphin as well
[18:37] <nixternal> how do you do it in dolphin?
[18:37] <nixternal> nevermind, found it
[18:37] <shadeslayer> nixternal: :P
[18:38] <shadeslayer> nixternal: i guess the devs get so much used to CLI they forget about GUI
[18:38] <nixternal> seems a bit much like windows :)
[18:38] <nixternal> df for the win!
[18:39] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: right click > properties
[18:39] <DarkwingDuck> Oh NM, you found it :P
[18:39] <shadeslayer> nixternal: yeah df is just too good :)
[18:41] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: you can use konqueror the same way as dolphin
[18:41] <ejat> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/400707/
[18:41] <shadeslayer> ejat: missing boost libs i think
[18:42] <ejat> got a lot of boost libs ?
[18:42] <ejat> which one ?
[18:42] <shadeslayer> hmm
[18:43] <ejat> libboost-all-dev <-- ?
[18:43] <shadeslayer> ejat: well libboost-all-dev gets all of them :P
[18:43] <shadeslayer> ejat: yeah why not.. im not sure which boost lib you need so install all of them :P
[18:44] <shadeslayer> btw anyone here have a decent connection and a pbuilder chroot?
[18:44] <ejat> 2 minute ..
[18:44] <shadeslayer> ejat: eh?
[18:44] <ejat> to install the libboost-all-dev
[18:45] <shadeslayer> oh cool :)
[18:46] <ejat> extracting ..
[18:49] <shadeslayer> ejat: sent the ubuntu one link to fenris@ubuntu.com
[18:49] <shadeslayer> ejat: then you need to extract the whole tarball to a folder and run sudo pbuilder build kraft_0.40b2-0ubuntu1~ppa1.dsc
[18:50] <ejat> ok ..
[18:50] <ejat> my make almost done here ..
[18:51] <ejat> ok ..
[18:51]  * ejat checking mail
[18:51] <shadeslayer> :)
[18:53] <ejat> shadeslayer: dloading it
[18:53] <shadeslayer> ejat: cool :)
[18:54] <ejat> running the pbuilder
[18:55] <shadeslayer> ejat: ok
[18:56] <ejat> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/400718/
[18:57] <shadeslayer> hmm.. i cant make head or toe of that error :P
[18:57] <shadeslayer> ah.. it couldnt install the stuff :P
[18:59] <shadeslayer> ejat: apparently therese no kdelibs4-dev in the pbuilder chroot
[19:00] <shadeslayer> and i have no idea on how to get it :P
[19:00] <ejat> anyone can help us ?
[19:01] <ScottK> Looking
[19:02] <shadeslayer> ScottK: its more of a pbuilder issue...
[19:02] <ScottK> ejat: I'd run pbuilder update and try again.
[19:04] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i created a pbuilder chroot a few hours ago,fully updated,logging into it and searching for kdelibs4 does not come up with anything
[19:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: What makes you think such a package exists?
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: because in my normal login there is a package kdelibs4-dev
[19:05] <shadeslayer> ScottK: kdelibs4-dev - development files for the KDE core libraries
[19:05] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/400722/
[19:06] <ScottK> shadeslayer: I'm reasonably certain that's not the one you want.  Look at apt-cache show kdelibs4-dev
[19:07] <shadeslayer> ScottK: hmm.. well thats what the upstream dev said.. he said to use kdelibs4
[19:07] <shadeslayer> ( development files )
[19:07] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Look at the version number apt-cache show gives you.
[19:08] <ScottK> Are you workingon a KDE3 package?
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/24/%23kubuntu-devel.html#t16:22
[19:08] <shadeslayer> \o/
[19:08] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok i get what you mean here....
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ScottK: but the guy said it has a dep on kdelibs4... so should i bump it to kdelibs5 then?
[19:09] <ScottK> shadeslayer: apt-cache showsrc kde4libs will give you a good hint.
[19:09] <shadeslayer> ahh..
[19:10] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok i get what im doing wrong,thanks once again
[19:10] <ScottK> shadeslayer: You're welcome.
[19:16] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ah :)
[19:16] <Mamarok> hey, shadeslayer :)
[19:17] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: im almost done,but my internet connection is very slow :)
[19:17] <shadeslayer> so i cant use pbuilder :P
[19:17] <Mamarok> did you see the last lines dragontin wrote
[19:17] <shadeslayer> yep.. there was a power outage here
[19:17] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: pulled it from the logs
[19:17] <Mamarok> about two deps he forgot
[19:17] <Mamarok> ah, OK :)
[19:18] <shadeslayer> ScottK: why wont apt install the missing deps? : http://pastebin.ca/1851718
[19:19] <nixternal> hey, to use apt-url in kubuntu, do we link with "apt:packagename" or "apturl:packagename"?
[19:20] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Not sure.  Sorry.  No time to get into details.
[19:20] <ejat> http://paste.ubuntu.com/400728/
[19:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ok no problem :)
[19:21] <shadeslayer> im gonna try for 10 more minutes and then upload to the ppa :P
[19:23] <nixternal> it was quicker to 'echo "<a href=\"apt:foo\">Foo</a>" > index.html'
[19:23] <nixternal> slow poke developers you are :D
[19:29] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: ok i uploaded it to my playground PPA,if it builds correctly,please check the size of each package before passing it on,it should ideally be more than 100KB,if its above that,then it was probably correctly build,please test it out and lemme know :)
[19:29] <shadeslayer> s/build/built
[19:37] <shadeslayer> ejat: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Universe%20support
[19:38] <ejat> create a new pbuilder ?
[19:41] <shadeslayer> ejat: nope
[19:42] <ejat> .pbuilderrc ?
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ejat: just make a pbuilderrc like : http://paste.ubuntu.com/400741/ :
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ejat: replace the mirror with a one closer to yours
[19:42] <shadeslayer> ejat: its working now though :)
[19:45] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: hows it coming?
[19:46] <shadeslayer> ejat: does it work?
[19:47] <ejat> shadeslayer: http://paste.ubuntu.com/400744/
[19:47] <ejat> shadeslayer: what should the output look like?
[19:47] <shadeslayer> ejat: meh.. did you : sudo pbuilder update --override-config
[19:48] <ejat> nope . wait ..
[19:48] <shadeslayer> ejat: well it should look like : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41856215/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.rekonq_0.4.0%2Bgit20100324-0ubuntu1~ppa1_FULLYBUILT.txt.gz
[19:48] <shadeslayer> not exactly that... but kind of
[19:49] <ejat> owh ok ..
[19:50] <ejat> updating my pbuilder ..
[19:50] <shadeslayer> ejat: does it work now?
[19:50] <shadeslayer> oh ok
[19:51] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/playground/+packages << Kraft packages here if they build :)
[19:52] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: package size should be about 500 KB give or take
[19:54] <shadeslayer> ejat: whats the status?
[19:54] <neversfelde> Mamarok: if no one else does, I can have a look next week. I alread updated it a while ago for me, but I do not know what happened to this project :)
[19:55] <ejat> shadeslayer: still updating my pbuilder
[19:55] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: slowly but surely
[19:55] <nixternal> hey, do we have a partioner yet?
[19:56] <nixternal> can't tell users to head to the cli with some mkfs love
[19:56] <shadeslayer> nixternal: partitionmanager does the trck
[19:56] <nixternal> I can't believe I just asked that damn question, when you told me partition manager earlier
[19:56] <shadeslayer> ejat: wow..
[19:56] <shadeslayer> nixternal: :)
[19:56]  * nixternal goes back to the docs
[19:56] <shadeslayer> nixternal: you need some sleep
[20:33] <Mamarok> neversfelde: well, shadeslayer just did a try he told me, maybe check his PPA then :)
[20:34] <Mamarok> the pacakges don't appear to be nuilt yet though
[20:35] <Mamarok> built*
[20:43] <Quintasan> Riddell: Hmm I will apply tomorrow, first of all I need to discuss with my parents who would go with me if I get sponsorship
[20:43] <Quintasan> :)
[20:48]  * Quintasan goes to bed with books related to cpp class magic
[21:28] <DarkwingDuck> you good nixternal?
[21:34] <nixternal> all done!!!
[21:34] <nixternal> REVIEW REVIEW REVIEW!!!
[21:34] <DarkwingDuck> Nice!
[21:35] <DarkwingDuck> LOL When is the lock for translations?
[21:36] <nixternal> 3.5 hours
[21:36] <nixternal> though I usually spread that 24 hours just in case we find something major
[21:38] <nixternal> gotta email dave
[21:38] <DarkwingDuck> So we have 3.5 hours to review?
[21:41] <nixternal> OH LP I HATE YOU! Actually, not you LP, but the turds who use you, and are in a position of responsibility, don't have a public email address setup
[21:41] <DarkwingDuck> ??
[21:41] <nixternal> oh, i love it...they don't have their email address on lp, but low and behold it is on their wiki page
[21:41]  * nixternal smacks dpm with a trout
[21:41] <nixternal> though he isn't here to enjoy that one
[21:42] <DarkwingDuck> isn't that an old mIRC thing?
[21:43] <DarkwingDuck> are there some dev meetings I should be attending at this point?
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> well, it's a known fact that we have am mIRC lover in our midst
[21:43] <JontheEchidna> s/am/an
[21:44] <maco> drkonqui gets a big confused by network manager
[21:44] <DarkwingDuck> JontheEchidna: I've been known to use it
[21:45] <JontheEchidna> !nixternal
[21:45]  * DarkwingDuck snickers
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> !
[21:46] <JontheEchidna> cracked mIRC + wine for default Kubuntu IRC client~1!1!!!!
[21:46] <DarkwingDuck> !JontheEchidna
[21:47] <nixternal> email sent...now I can take a break
[21:48] <nixternal> mIRC FTW!
[21:48] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I'll start working on a written proposial for transition to Mallard for Lucid +1
[21:49] <nixternal> can you honestly say there is a better GUI client than mIRC for IRC?
[21:49] <nixternal> totally impossible to do so
[21:49] <DarkwingDuck> No
[21:49] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: holy smokes, we won't even be able to transition in Lucid+1 probably, might be a Lucid+5 deal :)
[21:49] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: I'm tempted to run mIRC in wine :D
[21:50] <DarkwingDuck> and that what we thought about a rewrite.
[21:50] <nixternal> KHelpCenter needs to be recycled/redone from the ground up, mallard support needs to be included...right now Shaun McCance, myself and others are working on a Freedesktop Specification for cross-desktop help
[21:50] <DarkwingDuck> ok ok
[21:50]  * DarkwingDuck goes back to the bugs for Karmic
[21:51] <DarkwingDuck> At least I can fix the doc bug there.
[21:51] <nixternal> we use help:/ and they use ghelp:/...seems we might agree on help:/, some unified help backend, with some groovy de based guis
[21:51] <nixternal> is the bug in lucid too?
[21:51] <nixternal> no fixing karmic doc bugs
[21:51] <DarkwingDuck> No fixing?? So, should I just tag these bugs for karmic I have as fix released and note that they are being fixed in Lucid?
[21:52] <nixternal> we can't do anything to them, and since nobody responded to my "are the translation things ready" nobody answered, and then I looked at the amount of work involved, and it is a solid 2 days of work, and I am sorry, I am not volunteering 2 days
[21:52] <nixternal> when I release the lucid package, it will automatically fix release all of those bug reports
[21:52] <DarkwingDuck> Okay, I just do what I said up there then.
[21:52] <DarkwingDuck> So, close the bugs out with fix proposed then.
[21:53] <nixternal> what I am thinking about doing, is branching kubuntu-docs from lucid to lucid+1, but I would at least like to have a name for the next release
[21:53] <nixternal> fix committed
[21:53] <DarkwingDuck> Once we get a name that would be good.
[21:55] <DarkwingDuck> garg, I can't close a bug report...
[21:55] <nixternal> hehe, not a developer :p
[21:56] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah yeah yeah... one more thing to bug YOU about nixternal
[21:56] <DarkwingDuck> Bug #486309 - Fix committed
[21:57] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: are you good with bzr?
[21:57] <DarkwingDuck> yeah whats up?
[21:57] <nixternal> I want to propose you as a committer
[21:57] <DarkwingDuck> Oh cool. What do I need to do?
[21:58] <nixternal> nothing
[21:58] <DarkwingDuck> ok.
[21:58] <nixternal> there, if he says no, I will go bat shit insane
[21:59] <DarkwingDuck> ?
[21:59] <nixternal> he has a habbit of saying no when I ask...if he does, batshit insane means I will remove Kubuntu Documentation from the Documentation Project
[21:59] <nixternal> forcefully remove it
[21:59] <nixternal> with a baton
[21:59] <nixternal> and 2 good whacks to LP
[22:00]  * DarkwingDuck chuckles nervously
[22:00] <nixternal> there is no way he should say no, you helped the entire Lucid cycle
[22:00] <nixternal> also, have you applied for either ubuntu/kubuntu membership?
[22:00] <nixternal> if and when you do, let me know so I can leave a testimonial
[22:01] <DarkwingDuck> Not yet I have not.
[22:01] <nixternal> well do it already :)
[22:01] <DarkwingDuck> I was going to send the rest of this week gathering my stuff for kubuntu membership
[22:01] <DarkwingDuck> They are seperate correct?
[22:01] <nixternal> yes
[22:02] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: This is something we need to watch for later... Bug #472668
[22:02] <nixternal> do a generic one
[22:02] <DarkwingDuck> roger
[22:03] <nixternal> shit, I don't even know wtf that means in english
[22:03] <nixternal> the line he is referring to
[22:03] <DarkwingDuck> I know, but, it's something to watch for when we are writing.
[22:03] <DarkwingDuck> I'm going to be writing documentation on how to write documentation on my blog here shortly
[22:05] <nixternal> another one, is try to not use the word "see"...example: Please see <ulink url="http://foo.com">Foo</ulink> for more information
[22:05] <nixternal> that is impossible for someone who is visually impaired to do
[22:05] <nixternal> that's why I do "Please review"
[22:05] <nixternal> I already checked our repos for the word see, and we are good
[22:06] <nixternal> bbiaf, gonna walk the dog then get some food
[22:07] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[22:40] <larsivi> hi folks - is it possible to get digikam 1.1.0 (or at least something that is not 1.0.0-beta5 (broken)) in karmic?
[22:55] <neversfelde> larsivi: afair 1.0 is in a PPA?
[22:55] <larsivi> neversfelde: indeed, I still find it curious that the version in the main repo is a broken one
[22:56] <neversfelde> larsivi: isn't there a newer one in the official backports archive?
[22:56] <neversfelde> +ppa1 suggests, that there is something that should be overwritten
[22:59] <larsivi> neversfelde: hrm, seems like I didn't have backports activated - but I don't see any digikam in the updates fwiw
[23:00] <neversfelde> larsivi: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=digikam&searchon=names&suite=karmic-backports&section=all
[23:04] <larsivi> neversfelde: it is held back - can I find out why?
[23:04] <neversfelde> larsivi: apt-cache policy digikam ?
[23:06] <larsivi> neversfelde: the info there doesn't tell me much (both installed and backports have 500)
[23:06] <neversfelde> larsivi: please paste it
[23:07] <larsivi> neversfelde: http://pastebin.com/94BqMPsc
[23:08] <neversfelde> mhh, it should be there
[23:09] <neversfelde> did you do a dist-upgrade?
[23:09] <larsivi> no
[23:10] <larsivi> doing that now
[23:13] <neversfelde> probably new dependencies
[23:20] <larsivi> neversfelde: thanks, it worked :)
[23:20] <neversfelde> good to know :)
[23:24] <lex79> JontheEchidna: did you build Qt with new phonon patch?
[23:26] <JontheEchidna> lex79: yes, should be ready to go
[23:27] <JontheEchidna> lex79: I also have phonon-backends packaged
[23:27] <lex79> JontheEchidna: oh, ok :) I think there are two patch in Qt bzr that are still missing
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> really? which ones?>
[23:28] <JontheEchidna> oh, looks like I hadn't pushed :<
[23:29] <JontheEchidna> should be there now
[23:29] <lex79> 90 and 12
[23:29] <lex79> ok
[23:37] <JontheEchidna> I appear to no longer be able to access ktown. :(
[23:42] <lex79> JontheEchidna: your key is in authorized_keys file in ktown, weird
[23:43] <neversfelde> I have no problems to access
[23:43] <JontheEchidna> All I get is: Permission denied (publickey). :(
[23:43] <Nightrose> JontheEchidna: ssh key changed
[23:43] <Nightrose> clear known-hosts file
[23:44]  * Nightrose snoozes
[23:44] <lex79> JontheEchidna: with wich key are you trying?
[23:44] <JontheEchidna> Nightrose: this is after I added their new key to known-hosts
[23:44] <Nightrose> ah then idunno
[23:45] <JontheEchidna> lex79: http://keyserver.ubuntu.com:11371/pks/lookup?search=0x801EC66802067BD06F3C962E25AC96F997870010&op=index
[23:46] <lex79> JontheEchidna: your key in ktown is: http://pastebin.com/Bu4UfWT5
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> oh yeah, the ssh key, not my gpg key
[23:46] <JontheEchidna> hrmmm
[23:47] <lex79> :)
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> then it should be this one: https://launchpad.net/~echidnaman/+sshkeys
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> actually, that's different than the one in ktown...
[23:48] <lex79> yes, it's different, I add it
[23:48] <JontheEchidna> thx
[23:49] <lex79> JontheEchidna: try
[23:50] <JontheEchidna> doesn't work :(
[23:52] <lex79> JontheEchidna: strange, I added that key...
[23:53] <neversfelde> wrong permissions?