[00:03] <robertzaccour> my screen blinks every few minutes. is that bad?
[00:05] <deanus> robertzaccour, unless your screen has eyelids, I`d guess so
[00:06] <robertzaccour> deanus, i meant the screen flickers once every few minutes. black for a very split second
[00:06] <deanus> robertzaccour, what driver.
[00:06] <robertzaccour> deanus, i dunno
[00:09] <AbortD> do the lucid repos have 64 bit flash
[00:09] <BUGabundo> no they don't
[00:09] <Again617> I am unable to login with any users with an account type of "Desktop User"
[00:10] <AbortD> BUGabundo, would 32 bit run under 64bit?
[00:10] <BUGabundo> yes
[00:10] <robertzaccour> my system and os are 64 bit flash and mine works
[00:10] <BUGabundo> as always
[00:10] <BUGabundo> robertzaccour: sure, I had the 64bits .so too
[00:10] <BUGabundo> but that's not in the archive
[00:15] <MTughan> Is there a way to mount an LVM volume on Lucid?
[00:25] <abe3k> I kind of miss the timer that shows up when you choose to shutdown ubuntu, it shuts down automatically in 1 minute even if you don't click any confirmation button, but in 10.04 it just waits for you to choose
[00:26] <MTughan> Ah, found it via Google Search. Although just command line, no GUI method.
[00:26] <MTughan> Not intimidating to me, but could be problematic for a newer user.
[00:26] <Pici> MTughan: newer users really shouldn't have LVM volumes.
[00:27] <MTughan> Pici: Users switching from Fedora do.
[00:28] <Pici> MTughan: Oh.  I really haven't touched any other distros in a long time.
[00:28] <MTughan> Pici: Actually, Fedora is my default distro. Fedora 12 to be specific. I'm trying out Ubuntu 10.04 with the new interface.
[00:29] <BUGabundo> MTughan: prepare to be shocked
[00:29] <BUGabundo> pink shocked
[00:29] <Pici> purple
[00:29] <BUGabundo> fushia?
[00:29] <MTughan> BUGabundo: I'd seen screenshots before.
[00:30] <BUGabundo> not of the boot it self
[00:33] <KB1JWQ> Oops.  I should not have pushed that button.
[00:34] <MTughan> Naughty KB1JWQ. :P
[00:34] <bjsnider> that's what they said after the first nuclear weapons test
[00:35] <tprankd> Any application that uses Open GL is very slow, could the cause be that my graphics card is not detected?  I did not have this problem on 9.10
[00:37] <histo> tprankd: what type of video card?
[00:38] <vkaraman> hello, i just updated to lucid. now my mouse-theme in ubuntu (gnome) is the default kde4 one (oxygen?). ironically this is what i hated about kde4 the most ;(
[00:38] <tprankd> histo:  Radeon HD 3200, not too great for this setup, but it worked out pretty well on 9.10
[00:39] <histo> tprankd: did you install the drivers from System > hardware drivers?
[00:39] <vkaraman> any chance of getting my mousecursor back? i tried changing the theme settings, but no effect
[00:39] <MTughan> tprankd: My Radeon HD 3470 Mobile seems to work fine with the default drivers. Compiz works in any case, and I have direct rendering on.
[00:40] <tprankd> Histo:  Nothing is returned from the Hardware Drivers
[00:40] <tprankd> Compiz is pretty smooth, so I'm not sure why other applications would run at a low framerate
[00:40] <histo> !ati | tprankd
[00:41] <MTughan> I thought Compiz used OpenGL?
[00:41] <CalmvsKhaos> I would think that sense your compiz works, its detecting the graphics card
[00:41] <CalmvsKhaos> since*
[00:41] <vkaraman> heh, can't open nautilus
[00:41] <MTughan> histo: The open source drivers included with 10.04 support 3D rendering on some of the latest ATI cards.
[00:41] <vkaraman> mouse cursos seems to be the least of my problems now :)
[00:41] <MTughan> The binary drivers shouldn't be needed.
[00:43] <ruffleS> hi everybody. i'm getting a little 1px border around my background on lucid lynx after i changed my application's font size. is anyone here experiencing the same issue?
[00:45] <CalmvsKhaos> ruffleS, donno but relogging might fix it.
[00:45] <ZykoticK9> ruffleS, try running "nautilus --quit"
[00:45] <ruffleS> ZykoticK9, is that gonna log me out?
[00:45] <tprankd> I accidentally changed the default audio device, and now I cannot open up the sound configuration dialog.  How can I restore this?
[00:45] <ZykoticK9> ruffleS, no
[00:46] <ruffleS> ZykoticK9, dude it worked!
[00:46] <ruffleS> thanks
[00:46] <ZykoticK9> ruffleS, ya that issue's been hanging around for a while
[00:46] <ruffleS> ZykoticK9, that's only happening on lucid though, eh?
[00:46] <ZykoticK9> ruffleS, yup
[00:46] <CalmvsKhaos> ZykoticK9, i thought nautilus doesnt run the window manager anymore in Lucid?
[00:46] <CalmvsKhaos> or did i read wrong?
[00:47] <ZykoticK9> CalmvsKhaos, the 1 pixel thing is certainly caused by nautilus
[00:47] <omikron4> is there a channel for a lucid discussion in spanish language?
[00:47] <ZykoticK9> omikron4, i don't thing so
[00:48] <ruffleS> there's another bug i saw today. file transfer dialog ain't showing anything when copying files over smb protocol
[00:48] <omikron4> ok thanx
[00:48] <ruffleS> omikron4, preguntate en ubuntu-es a ver lo que encuentras :)
[00:48] <CalmvsKhaos> yo kero taco bell!
[00:49] <CalmvsKhaos> :D
[00:49] <omikron4> my problem is I understand what you are writting, but I don know how to explain in english one
[00:50] <CalmvsKhaos> Google Translate FTW
[00:50] <ruffleS> lol
[00:50] <ruffleS> try us, omikron4
[00:51] <omikron4> in ubuntu-es everybody y sleeping out
[00:51] <CalmvsKhaos> -y and -out +is and that would of been a perfect sentence ;)
[00:51] <ruffleS> omikron4, perhaps if u message me with the spanish question i can try to translate it for you. my mother tongue is portuguese so i guess i can understand ya
[00:53] <omikron4> thanx, i have no problems now. My desire was to keep a chat about the new lucid experience
[00:53] <MTughan> Is there a way to tell Nautilus to refresh previews for movies for which it didn't have a codec before? The proper codec is installed now.
[00:54] <omikron4> and Gnome 3
[00:55] <ruffleS> your english looks very clear to me omikron4 don't be afraid of using it
[00:57] <ruffleS> MTeck, ups.. u have to clean up the thumbnails cache
[00:58] <MTughan> ruffleS: Where would that be?
[00:58] <ruffleS> MTeck, i guess u can use ubuntu tweak to do that
[00:58] <MTughan> Ubuntu Tweak? In the software centre?
[00:58] <MTeck> ruffleS: seriously... you're not even completing my nick and getting the wrong person
[00:58] <MTughan> Also, I'm MTughan, not MTeck. :P
[00:59] <Some_Person> Woah, why did my shutdown icon turn red?
[00:59] <ruffleS> MTeck, i'm sorry dude
[00:59] <MTeck> ruffleS: :P
[00:59] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, updates requiring a restart
[00:59] <Some_Person> ZykoticK9: And we're supposed to just guess that?
[01:00] <ruffleS> MTughan, rm .thumbnails/fail/gnome-thumbnail-factory/*.png
[01:00] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, i just notice it turned red after the kernel update which asked for a restart
[01:00] <MTughan> ruffleS: Would that be from the folder that the videos are in or from ~?
[01:00] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, and after rebooting it isn't red anymore
[01:00] <omikron4> Well. thanx. This is the first time i am in a Ubuntu support irc, but im sure i,ll come back. chaus for everyone bye
[01:00] <Some_Person> They should implement a tooltip or something to indicate that
[01:01] <ruffleS> MTughan, from any folder you happen to be.. ~/ will take u to ur home directory
[01:01] <ruffleS> Some_Person, true.. u should let 'em know abt it
[01:01] <ZykoticK9> ruffleS, even easier way to return to your home dir is to type "cd"
[01:02] <ruffleS> ZykoticK9, yep.. in case u want to return to it
[01:14] <ar0n> hey guys
[01:14] <ar0n> i installed lucid
[01:14] <ar0n> it rebooted into a CLI xstart isnt working
[01:14] <ar0n> any way i can start it and change to NOT ask for anything on boot
[01:16] <ar0n> any way i can start it and change to NOT ask for anything on boot
[01:16] <ar0n> ?
[01:17] <ZykoticK9> ar0n, does the command "startx" work?  I'm assuming it was just a typo, and also that it will fail as well.
[01:18] <solid_liq> ZykoticK9, if you're at a regular shell without an xserver running, startx will start the xorg server up
[01:18] <solid_liq> oh heh, now I read above
[01:18] <ar0n> no it doesnt ZykoticK9
[01:18] <solid_liq> ar0n, startx as ZykoticK9 said is the command, not xstart
[01:18] <ZykoticK9> solid_liq, true.  but i'm assuming GDM doesn't start because X can't start
[01:18] <ar0n> it gives errors with startx
[01:19] <ar0n> it seems like it tries to load 2.6.31.20
[01:19] <ZykoticK9> ar0n, what graphics card are you using?
[01:20] <ar0n> shit i dunno'
[01:20] <solid_liq> wow, quite a few more updates in apt since 8 hours or so ago
[01:20] <ar0n> it says waiting for x server to shutdown
[01:20] <ZykoticK9> ar0n, "lspci | grep -i vga"
[01:20] <ar0n> ddxsiggiveup
[01:21] <ar0n> no read out
[01:22] <ar0n> this version its trying to load, is old
[01:22] <ar0n> nov 09
[01:22] <ar0n> how would i upgrade from CLIE
[01:22] <ar0n> i didnt install from cd i upgraded from 9.4
[01:25] <ar0n> anyone around
[01:26] <Ubuntufan123> Ubuntu 10.04 alpha and beta does not recognize my 42" LCD TV but works perfectly on my 20" LCD computer monitor.  Anyone heard of this problem or know how to fix it?
[01:29] <MikeChelen1> after latest update, my hardware drivers options say "no proprietary drivers are in use on this system" and there is only one choice nvidia_current which says "this driver is activated but not currently in use"
[01:30] <ar0n> is it possible to reinstal the current over a beta
[01:30] <ar0n> \
[01:30] <ar0n> ?
[01:30] <ar0n> *
[01:30] <IdleOne> ar0n: yes
[01:30] <ar0n> well 10.4 wont boot
[01:30] <red_> ar0n: sudo apt-get dist-upgrade -d
[01:30] <red_> oh
[01:30] <ar0n> that wouldnt work red
[01:30] <red_> wont boot :p
[01:30] <ar0n> yeah =|
[01:30] <dto> hi. what's the general status of Wacom Bamboo Pen support in Lucid?
[01:30] <ar0n> guess i got too go back to 9.1
[01:30] <IdleOne> ar0n: fresh install with a 9.10 cd
[01:31] <ar0n> how do i get data off
[01:31] <IdleOne> ar0n: oh you want to install a daily build?
[01:31] <ar0n> no
[01:31] <ar0n> last stable
[01:31] <IdleOne> !separatehome
[01:31] <ar0n> 10.4 shit up on me
[01:31] <ar0n> IdleOne =
[01:31] <IdleOne> see the above link to save your /home
[01:32] <ar0n> i can login to 10.4
[01:32] <ar0n> i cant do xstart
[01:32] <IdleOne> apart from that put in the 9.10 cd and make sure you select the correct partition to install to and DO NOT format your /home partition
[01:33] <IdleOne> ar0n: with karmic I was not able to boot until the final release
[01:33] <MikeChelen1> you mean startx
[01:33] <IdleOne> yeah startx not xstart
[01:33] <MikeChelen1> what happens when you try?
[01:34] <ar0n> haha
[01:34] <ar0n> it didnt work
[01:34] <IdleOne> ar0n: 10.04* the zero is not just for decoration :)
[01:34] <ar0n> "waiting for x server to shut down ddxsiggiveup
[01:34] <ar0n> i understand
[01:35] <ar0n> that error aboved
[01:36] <ar0n> sorry MikeChelen1* i was scrolled up*
[01:36] <ar0n> it tells me markers for like kde and WW EE ni
[01:36] <MikeChelen1> ah hmm
[01:36] <ar0n> HMM so if i reinstall  9.10
[01:36] <ar0n> i can just not format the old partition
[01:36] <ar0n> there are only two directorys
[01:37] <ar0n> er HOME PARTITION rather
[01:38] <adam7> Anyone having trouble with the mouse not working once logged into GNOME?
[01:42] <IdleOne> ar0n: correct
[01:44] <red_> are the repos running slow
[01:44] <red_> or is it just me
[01:47] <ZykoticK9> red_, you could try switching mirrors... just a suggestion
[01:48] <ZykoticK9> adam7, that hasn't been a common problem
[01:48] <red_> ZykoticK9: im connected to my machine via ssh, is there any easy command to switch?
[01:49] <ZykoticK9> red_, sorry i only know the GUI method
[01:49] <red_> same
[01:49] <red_> well guess ill install php5-curl later
[01:50] <ar0n> will it give me prompts for this IdleOne?
[01:50] <ar0n> sorry im kinda drunk right now
[01:50] <IdleOne> ar0n: yes
[01:50] <ar0n> thats why i didnt read that faq
[01:50] <ar0n> lol
[01:50] <IdleOne> ar0n: then wait till morning to do it
[01:50] <ar0n> NO
[01:50] <ar0n> my girlfriends laptop
[01:50] <ar0n> i made her use linux
[01:51] <ar0n> then i upgraded..srsly she will kill me and ill get no poontang for weeks
[01:51] <IdleOne> ok well she can wait a day before you go a brake it all
[01:51] <ar0n> no
[01:51] <ar0n> NO
[01:51] <ar0n> please
[01:51] <ZykoticK9> IdleOne, that's wise counsel
[01:51] <ar0n> im sober i just not reading long sprawled out sites
[01:51] <IdleOne> ar0n: keep it family friendly
[01:51] <ar0n> give me the cliff notes
[01:51] <ar0n> sorry
[01:51] <IdleOne> np
[01:51] <ar0n> it says i have to reinstall via live
[01:52] <IdleOne> ZykoticK9: lol I have my moments of clarity
[01:52] <IdleOne> ar0n: you could use either the Live cd or the alternate
[01:52] <ar0n> yeah
[01:52] <ar0n> ill do this
[01:52] <KB1JWQ> Welcome to #ubuntu+1, ar0n. You upgraded your girlfriend to Linux and you're making her run a beta version?
[01:52] <ar0n> got a quick link for stable releases
[01:52] <ar0n> yeah
[01:52] <ar0n> damn right
[01:52] <ar0n> i wanted to see what it is about
[01:52] <CalmvsKhaos> lol
[01:53] <IdleOne> ar0n: ubuntu.com
[01:53] <ar0n> i told her the only way id give her a pc is to give her linux
[01:53] <ar0n> shes gettin good at it
[01:53] <ar0n> she knows how to use the gui pretty much
[01:53] <KB1JWQ> Welcome to #ubuntu+1, ar0n. That doesn't seem like a very good idea.  Stable is the way to go with new users, pre-release software is not.
[01:53] <ar0n> i nokw
[01:53] <ar0n> i read some sites..it seemed like it worked at least booted into xserver
[01:54] <CalmvsKhaos> I think Google's CONSTANT Beta programs has ruined what the word beta actually means, so people just think beta Ubuntu is 99% stable and there's no testing left to do.
[01:54] <ar0n> oi didnt expect 99 stable
[01:54] <KB1JWQ> Welcome to #ubuntu+1, ar0n. It may work fine and break tomorrow.  THere ahve been "format and reinstall" mere days before release before.\
[01:54] <ar0n> all she does is browse web do i figured since people were loading into the gui to review it , it worked.
[01:55] <CalmvsKhaos> yeah im just saying in general not singling you out ar0n  :)
[01:55] <ar0n> oh i know
[01:55] <ar0n> there was a package i had to install
[01:55] <jmcantrell> anyone using chromium? does bookmark syncing work?
[01:55] <ar0n> one that ubuntu didnt carry anyomre apparently
[01:56] <ar0n> know what it is?
[01:56] <ZykoticK9> jmcantrell, yes working
[01:56] <ar0n> it was the common that ubuntu didnt carry any longer
[01:58] <jmcantrell> ZykoticK9: which version are you using?
[01:59] <adam7> ZykoticK9: yeah, I dunno, the mouse was working early, and now it doesn't work after I'm logged in. Works great in GDM though
[01:59] <ZykoticK9> jmcantrell, 5.0.307.11 direct from repo
[01:59] <ZykoticK9> adam7, your mouse stops working after you log in?
[01:59] <adam7> ZykoticK9: yup. The touchpad does.
[02:00] <jmcantrell> ZykoticK9: thanks
[02:00] <adam7> ZykoticK9: if I log back out it works again
[02:00] <adam7> in GDM, and then when I log in it stops working again
[02:00] <ZykoticK9> adam7, i don't have any experience with touchpads i'm affraid - other then it working properly on my old EEE
[02:01] <adam7> ZykoticK9: hm. The keyboard stopped working too, then I switched to a VT, and then back to X, and now they both work.
[02:01] <adam7> very strange
[02:02] <ar0n> there was a package i had to install
[02:02] <ar0n> it was the common that ubuntu didnt carry any longer
[02:02] <ar0n> know what it is?
[02:02] <ar0n> [no a package SORRY
[02:02] <ar0n> it was the uhm
[02:02] <ar0n> reposiotory lololopl
[02:03] <natet> Hell. After upgrading to Lucid, the "Sessions" menu is blank and grayed-out. After logging in, GDM disappears, is replaced by a terminal, then reappears.
[02:03] <ZykoticK9> adam7, you should think about submitting a bug
[02:03] <adam7> hm, now I get the following in my dmesg, with the mouse workin
[02:03] <adam7> [ 2605.987852] psmouse.c: TouchPad at isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 4 bytes away.
[02:03] <jmcantrell> ZykoticK9: strange. i can't get syncing to work
[02:03] <natet> *HELLO
[02:03] <adam7> [ 2606.494511] psmouse.c: resync failed, issuing reconnect request
[02:04] <ZykoticK9> jmcantrell, are you getting any sort of error or output message?
[02:04] <adam7> ZykoticK9: I think I will file a bug
[02:04] <jmcantrell> ZykoticK9: nothing
[02:04] <adam7> not sure what to put it under, but...
[02:04] <ZykoticK9> jmcantrell, i have no idea man, it's working out of the box for me
[02:05] <natet7> Anyone answer me? Please say it again if you did, sorry
[02:06] <adam7> natet7: no answers
[02:06] <natet7> okay
[02:06] <un214> X is still broke after update today
[02:06] <adam7> un214: what does "broke" mean?
[02:07] <un214> selects a driver that writes garbage to display and unhooks the text consoles
[02:07] <IdleOne> Current status: 124 updates [+73], 3423 new [+46]. here goes something
[02:08] <un214> X driver selected is fbcon
[02:08] <un214> fbcon driver is nouveau
[02:08] <un214> only on this machine, the nvidia graphics card should not be used (hardware fault)
[02:09] <un214> if it weren't integrated into the motherboard I'd pull it
[02:10] <psusi> disable it
[02:11] <un214> normally I'd disable it by selecting driver vesa but that doesn't seem to work with KMS
[02:11] <psusi> if you plug in a normal card you can disable the one on the motherboard in the bios
[02:11] <un214> hmmm that's not a bad idea
[02:12] <un214> I'll see if I can pull that off.
[02:12] <psusi> any adventurous souls have a throwaway partition they don't mind sacrificing to test defrag?
[02:12] <patdk-lap> hmm, probably a few
[02:13] <patdk-lap> but do I have to have lucid on it to test?
[02:14] <psusi> I'm sure I could have a karmic build made
[02:14] <psusi> but lucid would be preferable ;)
[02:15] <patdk-lap> then I don't right now, I was going to build a test machine for lucid tomorrow
[02:15] <adam7> psusi: what is this supposed to defrag?
[02:15]  * psusi is glad he started using lvm... can create and delete throw away test partitions at will
[02:15] <psusi> adam7, ext2/3/4
[02:15] <patdk-lap> psusi, all mine are in vmware
[02:16]  * psusi is resurrecting the old defrag package that debian and ubuntu dropped last year because upstream had abandoned it like 10 years ago ;)
[02:16] <CalmvsKhaos> same here vmware that way i dont have to muss with graphic card issues and i have the extra ram (8 gigs)
[02:16] <patdk-lap> heh, I had horrible experiences with that :)
[02:16] <psusi> really?
[02:17]  * psusi has fond memories of using it back in the mid 90's on slackware like, 2.0 or something
[02:17] <patdk-lap> ya, mine was on slackware too
[02:17] <patdk-lap> don't remember when
[02:18] <psusi> good old 486/dx2 50Mhz with 80 meg drive... ahh those were the days
[02:18] <un214> darn it
[02:18] <un214> Unfortunately I don't have an old graphics card on hand
[02:18] <patdk-lap> heh, 486
[02:18] <un214> and no time to mess with it
[02:18] <un214> for now I'll just live without X
[02:18] <patdk-lap> 386dx40, 80meg rll drive :)
[02:19] <un214> can anyone tell me how to disable X on boot?
[02:19] <psusi> I didn't think RLL got that big
[02:19] <patdk-lap> can't remember if I ever ran it on the 386sx16
[02:19] <psusi> un214, edit /init/gdm?
[02:19] <patdk-lap> well, 80meg mfm
[02:19] <patdk-lap> in rll mode I got it up to 117megs
[02:19] <psusi> I didn't think MFM got that big either
[02:20] <patdk-lap> some seagate 5.25 FH
[02:20] <un214> nothing matching /init/gdm
[02:20] <psusi> I seem to remember those going by the wayside by the time 40 meg drives were common
[02:20] <ZykoticK9> un214, sudo mv /etc/init/gdm.conf /etc/init/gdm.conf-disabled
[02:20] <un214> !ls /etc/init
[02:20] <patdk-lap> I actually tossed the last motherboard I have with isa slots on it last week
[02:20] <Volkodav> anybody dealt with Dynamic disks?
[02:21] <un214> there we go it was /etc/init/kdm.conf
[02:21] <patdk-lap> dynamic disks? as in windows?
[02:21] <Volkodav> I cam mount it ok but not see the contents - it shows the right usage tjough
[02:21] <Volkodav> yeah - the one from win 7 got converted by some idiot and i can not access the contents anymore
[02:22] <CalmvsKhaos> !ops | bac
[02:22] <psusi> afaik windows dynamic disks use the Veritas logical volume management which there is no linux support for
[02:22] <KB1JWQ> elky: Beat me to it. :-)
[02:23] <CalmvsKhaos> woah
[02:23] <patdk-lap> hmm, looks like 80meg was the largest mfm drives they made
[02:23] <KB1JWQ> Hmm.
[02:23] <Volkodav> So I will need to back up, convert back to basic and then restore all the info
[02:23] <Volkodav> oh shit 320 Gb to move twice
[02:24] <cur> good evening
[02:24]  * psusi has been looking for a proper norton ghost open source clone lately and coming up short... very disappointed
[02:24] <cur> I had a question about LL beta testing
[02:24] <adam7> psusi: use dd
[02:24] <ZykoticK9> psusi, check out the clonezilla live cd - it even does multicasting
[02:24] <psusi> adam7, wastes time copying unused blocks, can not copy to a different size disk/partition
[02:25] <cousteau> Volkodav: I once moved about a HDD and a half doing my "experiments"... and I forgot to keep the timestamps so now my oldest files date from 2008/12/25
[02:25] <psusi> ZykoticK9, it copies blocks exactly as they are unlike ghost, so can not restore to a smaller disk, and restoring to a larger requires a resizefs after to expand
[02:26] <psusi> ZykoticK9, also preserves any fragmentation present in the original fs
[02:26] <Some_Person> How can I make it unlock the "login keyring" automatically?
[02:26] <patdk-lap> isn't that what dump/restore are for?
[02:26] <psusi> patdk-lap, I've been playing with those lately... while dump seems to be the fastest way to backup a fs, restore is not truely its inverse since it does not extract the dumped fs to a raw block device.. it's more like an archive extractor
[02:26] <cur> I tried lucid out earlier and I ran into the exact issue I had with Karmic, my screen brightness will not change and my keybindings will not work either...
[02:26]  * patdk-lap wonders if anything saves metadata/acl/... besides dd
[02:27] <myk_robinson> Hey. In Nautilius, how can I enable the option to type in my location versus clicking on stuff?
[02:27] <psusi> dump/restore saves acls and extended attributes
[02:27] <patdk-lap> ah, it does
[02:27] <patdk-lap> ya, I know it would defrag :)
[02:27] <patdk-lap> I've only used dump/restore on freebsd a few times, never needed it on linux
[02:27] <psusi> my only problem with it is that it requires you to format the partition and mount it to restore... it would be faster if it rebuilt the fiesystem on the fly on the raw block device
[02:28] <psusi> that's what ghost does
[02:28] <cur> ?
[02:28] <patdk-lap> I wonder how acronis does it
[02:28] <myk_robinson> nevermind, found it. Pressing CTRL+L brings up the editable location bar. Anyone know how to make this the default behavior now?
[02:28] <psusi> patdk-lap, my recent testing shows dump to be significantly faster than tar... though I was confused as all hell for a day while testing before I found out that tar cheats when you tell it to write the backup to /dev/null... it just stats the input files. doesn't read them and write the data to null
[02:28] <patdk-lap> my friend backs up linux systems with it, but I haven't yet
[02:29] <Some_Person> myk_robinson: gconf-editor
[02:29] <psusi> doesn't acronis use partimage?
[02:29] <ZykoticK9> myk_robinson, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/location-bar-in-nautilus
[02:29] <Some_Person> myk_robinson: /apps/nautilus/preferences/always_use_location_entry
[02:29] <patdk-lap> psusi, I do most of my backups over the network, so speed doesn't matter
[02:29] <patdk-lap> dunno, I haven't tried it on linux, just ntfs
[02:30] <myk_robinson> Some_Person: ZykoticK9: Thank you both
[02:30] <CalmvsKhaos> lol i love that 'how-i-do' in that link ZykoticK9 :)
[02:30] <patdk-lap> it will take forever to backup an ntfs partition, but it's fast to restore it
[02:30] <Some_Person> Why does my nautilus have an old-style appearance?
[02:31] <psusi> afaik acronis uses partimage, which understands ext and ntfs and in either case, essentially does a dd but skips any blocks not marked as used in the allocation bitmap
[02:32] <cur> nothing? no one?
[02:34]  * psusi watches the block map as defrag relocates swaths of the disk
[02:34] <patdk-lap> psusi, know how to check how fragmented my drive is?
[02:35] <patdk-lap> without doing a full fsck on it
[02:35] <psusi> patdk-lap, fsck reports a fragmentation number... not sure how it computes it these days
[02:35]  * KB1JWQ doesn't give a toss about fragmentation
[02:35] <psusi> but last night I saw a ~20% speedup in dumping an fs after defragging it when fsck reported only 4% fragmenatation
[02:36] <thom_> hello..
[02:36] <CalmvsKhaos> hi
[02:36] <cur1> I had a question...
[02:37] <patdk-lap> well, I think fsck only reports inode fragmentation or whatever it is
[02:37] <patdk-lap> not datablock fragmentation
[02:37] <psusi> I also managed earlier on a test to shave a few more seconds of boot time by having defrag pack all the files that ureadahead pre fetches at the start of the disk
[02:37] <thom_> i've a prob when i tried live cd of Lucy (Lucyd Lynx). I can not get the desktop but just error msg about int. I've insert command 'noacpi bootparam', but still not helping.
[02:38] <patdk-lap> psusi, well, I would defently try it on my laptop :)
[02:38] <patdk-lap> I am fine with compiling stuff, thanks to 17 years of slackware
[02:38] <psusi> I'm still not sure what this "inode framenatation" is that I've heard someone else mention lately is... I do know that a year or two ago fsck would report a file as fragmented after a defrag when it wasn't... since it had an indirect block intersperesed in the middle of the data blocks
[02:38] <psusi> and now it doesn't
[02:39] <patdk-lap> I'm not sure, I just read someone else talking about it, but it didn't go into details on what he meant
[02:40] <patdk-lap> I was thinking he was meaning like directory listing fragmentation or something
[02:40] <natet7> Hello. My GDM sessions are gone!
[02:40] <thom_> can anybody help me out? I would really like to taste the Lucy desktop on my computer. Not just on the virtual box
[02:40] <psusi> well, I can tell you that after running defrag, fsck reports 0.0% fragmenation for me so far
[02:42] <patdk-lap> next will be lvm defrag? :)
[02:43] <patdk-lap> oh here is a question, dunno if you know, but can't find anyone that does
[02:43] <patdk-lap> I have several ext3 systems that *leak*
[02:43] <natet7> Help, please!
[02:43] <psusi> "leak"?
[02:44] <patdk-lap> I create/write/delete many many small files on it (mailspool)
[02:44] <patdk-lap> and df reports available space going to 0%
[02:44] <patdk-lap> but du reports it at like 60% used
[02:44] <patdk-lap> reboot with fsck forced, and both report 60% again
[02:44] <cur1> How do I change the screen brightness?
[02:45] <zekoZeko> patdk-lap: how about a reboot without fsck?
[02:45] <patdk-lap> zekoZeko, nope, still all used up
[02:45] <zekoZeko> patdk-lap: so it's not something deleting files and keeping them open, that would explain it, but obviously not.
[02:46] <psusi> patdk-lap, whoa... that's fubar... what does the fsck say?
[02:46] <patdk-lap> not sure it said anything, let me check to make sure, been alittle bit
[02:47] <patdk-lap> odd, where would fsck messages go
[02:47] <psusi> if you manually fsck it, to the terminal
[02:48] <patdk-lap> na, boot fsck
[02:49] <psusi> check /var/log/fsck?
[02:51] <patdk-lap> na, this system redirects it's syslog to another machine
[02:54] <MTecknology> My wireless problem tracked down kinda! -> [  312.910959] iwlagn 0000:06:00.0: iwl_tx_agg_start on ra = 00:23:eb:61:d7:ce tid = 0
[02:54] <MTecknology> It without a doubt has something to do with that
[02:54] <patdk-lap> hmm, isn't logged anywhere :(
[02:54] <leftyfb> So has it been decided that the window control buttons are going to remain on the wrong side?
[02:55] <MTecknology> leftyfb: you can always change it
[02:55] <leftyfb> MTecknology: Not the question I asked and the means by which it is to be changes is not adequate.
[02:56]  * patdk-lap always found the buttons on the right annoying
[02:57] <leftyfb> I have heard that the decision if they were to be left in the incorrect position was to be made at or after beta 1 release. I have yet to find any official posting about this or it's conclusion.
[03:00] <Blue1> leftyfb: it is pretty annoying, but it's fixable
[03:00] <NinoScript> I'm upgrading to Lucid! :D
[03:01] <NinoScript> (yay!)
[03:01] <leftyfb> Blue1: It is not fixable in a "Human" fashion, nor does it fix the new themes made specifically for them being on the wrong side
[03:05] <Muscovy> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/AmbianceMod for window controls.
[03:05] <Blue1> leftyfb: you can fix it with gconftools and I am not aware of any themes with that design in mind.
[03:05] <Muscovy> ^
[03:05] <Muscovy> See link.
[03:05] <leftyfb> Blue1: the default theme is broken when they are moved to the correct side
[03:05] <Blue1> omw
[03:05] <Blue1> leftyfb: i guess I don't use themes
[03:05] <leftyfb> and gconf-editor is not an adequate solution for "human beings"
[03:06] <Muscovy> leftyfb: That's why I made AmbianceMod.
[03:06] <Blue1> leftyfb: agree about last remark
[03:07] <Blue1> ahh okay I use the clearlooks them -
[03:07] <Blue1> theme
[03:07] <leftyfb> Muscovy: mind making one for the light theme as well? I was going to do this myself for both once I had confirmation that the bad decision had been left in place
[03:08] <leftyfb> Someone should also package these things up along with the gconf setting and put it into a PPA for people to install. This would be one of the first things added on all my customers installs.
[03:08] <patdk-lap> odd, my laptop is suprisingly fragmentation free
[03:08] <patdk-lap> but my new squid drive, that I just put in a month ago, is 10% frag already
[03:09] <Blue1> patdk-lap: how do you tell what the fragmentation looks like?
[03:09] <Muscovy> leftyfb: Within the next few days. ;3
[03:09] <patdk-lap> just doing an fsck -nf
[03:10] <leftyfb> Muscovy: awesome! Will you be updating that wiki page?
[03:10] <Muscovy> Yes.
[03:10] <Muscovy> Also, I don't know why, but I can't seem to embed the images.
[03:10] <Muscovy> Hopefully this weekend I'll figure out .debs and make a PPA.
[03:10] <Blue1> wow I have file structure problems but only .1 % fragmentation
[03:11] <myk_robinson> Evening, all. How do i restart the sound system in Lucid?
[03:11] <lucidupgrade> just updated from karmic --> lucid
[03:12] <lucidupgrade> no mouse or keyboard response upon reboot
[03:12] <lucidupgrade> any pointers?
[03:12] <lucidupgrade> i'm in a live CD session on the machine now
[03:12] <Blue1> lucidupgrade: I've had problems doing upgrades - I always backup /etc/ and /home/ and then do a clean install.
[03:12] <KB1JWQ> Welcome to #ubuntu+1, lucidupgrade. What does dmesg say?
[03:12] <rzx237> Muscovy: do you have one that button is in left: "close,max,min:menu" ?
[03:14] <Blue1> i am curious why the ubuntu folks would do a dumb@$$ thing like but the buttons on the wrong side?
[03:14] <lucidupgrade> KB1JWQ: dmesg is empty :-(
[03:15] <lucidupgrade> how do i edit grub menu to list old kernels with version 2?
[03:15] <myk_robinson> Blue1: I agreed for a short time, but actually got used to it pretty quick
[03:17] <leftyfb> https://launchpad.net/~stownsend42/+archive/light-themes
[03:18] <leftyfb> found a fix
[03:18] <MTecknology> What's changed from 9.10 to 10.04 that would negatively impact iwlagn?
[03:18] <leftyfb> PPA already created
[03:18] <rzx237> myk_robinson: some people need to place button on place they want, but Ambience metacity  theme will break if we do that, right?
[03:18] <myk_robinson> rzx237: no, many people have hapilly moved the buttons back using gconf-editor
[03:19] <leftyfb> rzx237: you can use tweak ubuntu ot gconf to change the order of the buttons
[03:19] <leftyfb> rzx237: not exactly. The new themes are broken when doing so.
[03:19] <Blue1> no
[03:19] <leftyfb> But the link I just posted has a PPA package that fixes it.
[03:19] <Blue1> I am running metacity and it works fine moving the buttons
[03:19] <leftyfb> Blue1: I said when using the new themes.
[03:19] <leftyfb> the new themes break
[03:20] <Blue1> leftyfb: any particular theme?  the ones I've tried (all the precanned ones) seem to work okay
[03:20] <leftyfb> the new light themes are broken when moving the buttons to the correct side
[03:21] <leftyfb> Ambiance and Radiance
[03:21] <Blue1> leftyfb: let me try that one.
[03:21] <myk_robinson> leftyfb: guess i havent heard that. What happens, what do you mean by broken?
[03:22] <Blue1> leftyfb: naw it seems okay to me, the button changed to an up and down arrow - but it will works
[03:24] <patdk-lap> hmm, this seems to be the fsck line for the missing space
[03:24] <patdk-lap> Pass 5: Checking group summary information
[03:24] <patdk-lap> Block bitmap differences:  -263407 -284987 +296967 +(296986--296989) +(297169--297175) +297187 +(297190--297191) ...........
[03:24] <patdk-lap> juge list, a few hundred lines long
[03:25] <leftyfb> Blue1: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/102233/Screenshot.png
[03:25] <leftyfb> look closer
[03:26] <Blue1> leftyfb: omw (on my way)
[03:26] <leftyfb> regardless, the PPA I posted fixes this and there's a bug report on it.
[03:27] <Blue1> leftyfb: I guess I am to clueless to figure out "what's wrong with that picture?"  so what is wrong?
[03:27] <leftyfb> Blue1: you've already confirmed this isn't an issue for you either way. You're not going to be an integral part in getting something fixed that you don't care about anyway.
[03:27] <leftyfb> gotta go now
[03:28] <leftyfb> thank you for your time
[03:28] <Blue1> alrighty then -- so someone tell me, what's wrong with the picture?
[03:29] <MTecknology> golly... then next time I install an alpha version of ubuntu I expect nothing to be broken -_-
[03:29] <MTecknology> :P
[03:30]  * Blue1 must be as dense as a brick because I saw nothing wrong...
[03:32] <MTecknology> Blue1: you using the iwlagn wifi driver?
[03:32] <arand> Blue1: minimise has ugly edges, which are supposed to go and match in the middle of the buttons, but looks ugly is being at either end..
[03:35] <Blue1> MTecknology: no I am using the stock ati driver
[03:35] <MTecknology> Blue1: ati = video, not wifi
[03:35] <Blue1> indeedy not
[03:35] <MTecknology> unless i missed something...
[03:36] <MTecknology> the issue seems to be with iwlagn
[03:36] <rzx237> arand: indeed, and mine is here: http://evran.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/ambience-mod.png
[03:36] <Blue1> MTecknology: my bad -- no I am not using that I have an atheros card
[03:38] <DanaG> A shame I STILL find those themes ugly. :(
[03:38] <Blue1> find something you like yeah those are pretty fugly
[03:42] <DanaG> the Murrine-based Human theme is nice.
[03:47] <skydrome> is there a repository for server kernels?
[03:48] <MTecknology> I wish I could see the progress of am apport upload
[03:49] <MTecknology> 14.6MiB is a big upload.... I don't like not seeing where it's at
[03:50] <Blue1> MTecknology: much of technology today, is FM
[03:51] <MTecknology> Blue1: hm?
[03:51] <Blue1> bleeping magic!
[03:51] <denis_> hey, folks! How to get battery icon to be shown only when on batter power?
[03:51] <arand> MTecknology: Report feature request ;) "ubuntu-bug apport"
[03:51] <Blue1> denis_: gapcmon?
[03:51] <MTecknology> arand: :P
[03:52] <running_rabbit07> Which backport module do I need to install so that the wireless backport gets upgraded with each kernel.
[03:52] <denis_> nope, i don't need a ups daemon
[03:53] <denis_> i mean laptop battery
[03:53] <Blue1> running_rabbit07: this is what I did:  http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=152 i installed them all
[03:53] <running_rabbit07> denis: does the icon pop up at intervals? That is what it does on my Netbook.
[03:54] <denis_> yep, exactly
[03:54] <denis_> annoys me a lot)
[03:54] <Blue1> denis_: yup same here
[03:54] <running_rabbit07> Blue1 thanx
[03:54] <Blue1> running_rabbit07: supposedly the problem I encountered, there, is fixed in lucid --
[03:55] <running_rabbit07> kool
[03:56] <MTecknology> that was a big big upload...
[03:56] <Blue1> MTecknology: yes
[03:56] <Blue1> hugeness
[03:58] <tonyyarusso> Anyone using KVM w/ virt-manager in Lucid?  Are you able to make guests full screen yet?
[04:01] <running_rabbit07> I am guessing they don't have the backport module up for the new kernel. That bites. It shortens the range.
[04:07] <AbortD> what version of flash do i need to get for amd 64
[04:08] <Some_Person> AbortD: I recommend the beta version on Adobe's website
[04:09] <ddecator> the version in the official repos
[04:09] <Some_Person> The version in the official repos installs the 32bit version in some sort of wrapper thing
[04:09] <ddecator> yes, but it's considered more stable and gets official ubuntu support
[04:09] <Some_Person> Adobe has a beta version that's native 64bit
[04:09] <DanaG> !info linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic
[04:09]  * patdk-lap has never had issues with flash 64bit on his system
[04:10] <ddecator> i had some performance problems with the 64bit alpha flash
[04:10] <patdk-lap> I have downloaded and compiled it from source though
[04:11] <denis_> exit
[04:11] <DanaG> I prefer having nspluginwrapper... so I can killall -9 npviewer.bin
[04:11] <SunnyMolini> How come my computer that runs 64bit Win7 won't install 64bit ubuntu10.04
[04:11] <DanaG> ... and nuke Flash.
[04:12] <denis_> SunnyMolini: you just donna howto cook it :)
[04:13] <SunnyMolini> denis_: clearly, I need to get me some cooking lessons.
[04:15] <ddecator> SunnyMolini: are you able to run it as a live environment?
[04:16] <Blue1> i love to cook
[04:16] <SunnyMolini> havn't tried that yet,
[04:16] <SunnyMolini> just the install, and it hangs.
[04:16] <ddecator> you could also do an md5sum to make sure it's all on there correctly =)
[04:16] <SunnyMolini> now I'm in the process of making a VMware image.
[04:16] <Blue1> SunnyMolini: I've the same issue I am running 64 bit 9.10 but 10.04 no go
[04:16] <ddecator> strange o.o
[04:16] <Blue1> i put 10.4 on my 32 bit machine
[04:17] <ddecator> i upgraded from 9.10 64bit to 10.04 64bit with no problems
[04:17] <Neezer> I am getting an error when pluggin in my ipod touch....I'm getting unable to connect to null null device
[04:17] <ddecator> Neezer: is that from nautilus?
[04:17] <ZykoticK9> Neezer, you're welcome :)
[04:18] <Neezer> ddecator, I think it is from rhythmbox.
[04:18] <ddecator> Neezer: and i'm assuming the ipod plugin is enabled?
[04:18] <Neezer> it says unable to open.
[04:19] <Neezer> I think so...I thought I saw it being installed and updated just now when I upgraded to the beta from the alpha.
[04:19] <ddecator> double-check the plugins menu in rhythmbox
[04:19] <ddecator> i think it's on by default...
[04:19] <ddecator> doesn't hurt to look though
[04:20] <Neezer> I was having problems getting it to work with the beta and figured i'd try now. I know I wasn't getting this error before, so I figure it might be something new and easier to work through.
[04:20] <Neezer> it is checked ddecator
[04:21] <ddecator> then i have no idea =) i know support for the itouch and iphone is buggy though
[04:21] <Neezer> when I plug in my ipod it gets recognized as a camera and an ipod. I think that is by nautilus...then when I'm in rhythmbox the icon pops up on the left side, then goes away when I get the error message.
[04:21] <kelvl> Hi, does anyone know how to confirm SHMConfig is turned on?
[04:21] <Neezer> ok. Thanks.
[04:22] <Neezer> I think I'll wait to really tackle this until I do the fresh install of the release.
[04:22] <ddecator> it should be more stable by then
[04:22] <kelvl> I tried following the instructions the synaptics touchpad in the wiki
[04:22] <kelvl> but I can't seem to enable SHMConfig
[04:22] <Neezer> hope so...is there a programming forum for ubuntu?
[04:22] <ddecator> i think it's getting a lot of attention from rhythmbox devs
[04:22] <Neezer> by forum, I mean irc channel.
[04:23] <ddecator> i'm sure there is. one sec
[04:23] <Neezer> yeah. I talked to someone about it before....I'm sure they're aware that there might still be some issues.
[04:23] <ddecator> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/ChannelList
[04:24] <kelvl> anyone have experience with SHMConfig?
[04:24] <Neezer> thanks
[04:24] <DanaG> oh, you mean on touchpads?
[04:24] <kelvl> DanaG: yes
[04:24] <kelvl> DanaG: I am having trouble turning on SHMConfig on 10.0.4
[04:24] <kelvl> i mean 10.04
[04:25] <DanaG> It's udev now, not HAL.
[04:25] <DanaG> copy /lib/udev/rules.d/66-xorg-synaptics.rules to /etc/udev/rules.d, and edit it.
[04:25] <ddecator> Neezer: i know someone who works a lot on rhythmbox, but he's not on, so idk where the devs hang out =\
[04:25] <Neezer> that's ok.
[04:25] <kelvl> DanaG: let me go check that out thanks!
[04:25] <Neezer> I gotta get some sleep.
[04:25] <DanaG> "rules.d" is a directory, of course.
[04:25] <Neezer> thanks for your time anyways ddecator
[04:25] <Neezer> adios!
[04:25] <ddecator> Neezer: no problem =)
[04:28] <DShepherd> is empathy to ask for the gnomekeyring password on initial startup?
[04:30] <ZykoticK9> DShepherd, usually it's nm-applet (network manager) that asks for the gnomekeyring password on login (if you turn of autologin this goes away)
[04:30] <ZykoticK9> s/of/off
[04:33] <Some_Person> ZykoticK9: Is there any way around that?
[04:33] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, don't think so - it's a security feature
[04:33] <ddecator> it's happening every time?
[04:33] <Some_Person> But if you can't get online without a password, what the heck is the point of autologin?
[04:34] <Some_Person> I did something in karmic that made it go away, but I can't remember what
[04:35] <ddecator> finding the right permission and setting to "always allow"?
[04:37] <Some_Person> If you're only two choices are enter a password to log in or enter a password to unlock the keyring, what's the point of auto-login to begin with?
[04:37] <DanaG> Some_Person: try setting the wifi connection to "available to all users" in the connections editor.
[04:37] <mizuho> set the keyring to auto
[04:37] <DanaG> That makes it connect even at the login screen.
[04:38] <Some_Person> I'd rather have it unlock the keyring (I'll inevitably have to do it later for something else)
[04:40] <MindVirus> Hello.
[04:40] <MindVirus> My computer starts up into plymouth but doesn't move from there.
[04:40] <MindVirus> When I use init=/bin/bash without splash or quiet I get a blank screen.
[04:40] <MindVirus> Any advice?
[04:41] <Some_Person> mizuho: How do I set it to auto?
[04:42] <mizuho> Some_Person: when you're asked for it, click detail and choose from the list, I don't remember right now, but you will only need to place it once, with wifi and peripherals devices
[04:43] <Some_Person> It didn't have any "detail" or any "list"
[04:43] <MindVirus> Anyone?
[04:43] <mizuho> :s, I did saw it the first time
[04:43] <bbordwell> MindVirus, What was your ? i just joined
[04:44] <MindVirus> bbordwell: When I start up the computer, I get plymouth and nothing happens.
[04:44] <denis_> hey, i got a vary slow flash video playback on a good computer
[04:44] <ZykoticK9> MindVirus, ubuntu desktop?
[04:44] <denis_> why is that?
[04:44] <MindVirus> ZykoticK9: ..? Yes?
[04:44] <bbordwell> MindVirus, nvidia ati or intel graphics?
[04:44] <ZykoticK9> MindVirus, ok just checkin'
[04:45] <MindVirus> denis_: Flash is slow on Linux because Adobe doesn't care about us.
[04:45] <MindVirus> bbordwell: nVidia.
[04:45] <mizuho> Some_Person: sorry I don't get asked for it anymore, I'll try to see if I can find that again
[04:45] <Guest13039> I have a touch screen and I have installed xserver-xorg-input-evtouch but I can't run ev_calibrate... it says I need to install xserver-xorg-input-evtouch when I run ev_calibrate...
[04:45] <bbordwell> MindVirus, are you using nouveau or the proprietary driver?
[04:45] <DanaG> !find ev_calibrate
[04:45] <MindVirus> bbordwell: Proprietary.
[04:45] <MindVirus> bbordwell: But that's for xorg.
[04:45] <MindVirus> I have a deeper problem than that AFAIK.
[04:46] <eross> with this music store, I'll be able to buy music online?
[04:46] <Guest13039> DanaG, was that supposed to help me?
[04:46] <DanaG> hmm, try dpkg -S ev_calibrate
[04:46] <ZykoticK9> eross, that's the idea
[04:46] <bbordwell> MindVirus, you say you get plymouth though? just the blue bars? or the actual splash screen?
[04:46] <MindVirus> bbordwell: The splash screen; I don't know what the blue bars are.
[04:46] <MindVirus> You mean text mode?
[04:47] <Guest13039> xserver-xorg-input-evtouch: /usr/lib/xf86-input-evtouch/ev_calibrate
[04:47] <MindVirus> Because I get graphical plymouth.
[04:47] <bbordwell> MindVirus, the proprieatary nvidia driver does not support the splash screen afaik
[04:47] <bbordwell> when i used them i got blue bars
[04:47] <Guest13039> running xserver-xorg-input-evtouch: /usr/lib/xf86-input-evtouch/ev_calibrate gives me XLoadQueryFont: failed loading font '*freemono*'
[04:47] <MindVirus> bbordwell: I think you have the wrong idea on when the proprietary nVidia drivers come into play.
[04:48] <MindVirus> bbordwell: They only matter for Xorg.
[04:48] <alien5p5g> Hello,
[04:48] <MindVirus> bbordwell: I am using proprietary nVidia drivers for Xorg; yet my plymouth is doing just fine doing nothing.
[04:48] <alien5p5g> I just had an issue with upgrading to the lucid beta from karmic. For some reason, right as it was about to install the downloaded updates, the update manager quit and I could not install again, instead it gave me the option of a partial upgrade which I could not complete. So I went back into the update manager and it listed several updates (did not say if it was the ones downloaded from the lucid  upgrade) to install.
[04:48] <alien5p5g> My question is that if I download them, will it go ahead and upgrade the system? Whats going on and what do I do?
[04:49] <alien5p5g> Well, I am downloading them now
[04:49] <Guest13039> gah. Back to karmic I go.
[04:49] <alien5p5g> Any ideas?
[04:49] <bbordwell> MindVirus, the plymouth boot screen depends on KMS support, if there is no KMS then it falls back to the blue progress bars
[04:50] <bbordwell> give me a few min. and i will install the propietary drivers and see what happens.
[04:50] <MindVirus> bbordwell: I don't know what that is; my Plymouth is working fine so I assume KMS is working.
[04:50] <bbordwell> it has been since alpha 2 since i used them
[04:50] <ZykoticK9> bbordwell, actually i'm getting a purple text plymouth on my nvidia machines now (use to just get the blue bar)
[04:50] <bbordwell> ZykoticK9, thank you i did not know they improved this
[04:51] <bbordwell> MindVirus, do you have just 1 display connected?
[04:51] <alien5p5g> I should just post this on the fourms then?
[04:51] <MindVirus> bbordwell: Aye.
[04:51] <ZykoticK9> bbordwell, it still isn't the graphic boot you get with nouveau mind you
[04:51] <DanaG> I have a system with ATI KMS... and I still get no splash screen.
[04:51] <DanaG> I get "ureadahead main process terminated with status 5".
[04:51] <MindVirus> ZykoticK9: What does that look like?
[04:52] <mizuho> Some_Person: when you click on detail you have the option, "Automatically unlock this keyring whenever I'm logged in"
[04:52] <mizuho> this is for wifi
[04:52] <ZykoticK9> MindVirus, the text or the graphic?  hard to describe either really
[04:52] <bbordwell> i have had many problems with plymouth also
[04:52] <MindVirus> ZykoticK9: Link, I mean?
[04:52] <alien5p5g> are these updates I am installing the upgrade?
[04:52] <ZykoticK9> MindVirus, ?
[04:52] <alien5p5g> I'm so confused. sorry
[04:52] <MindVirus> ZykoticK9: Nevermind. :)
[04:53] <bbordwell> alien5p5g, go to system>about GNOME, what version is reported there?
[04:54] <alien5p5g> bbordwell: 2.29.92
[04:54] <bbordwell> MindVirus, as i  have done in the past you could just apt-get remove plymouth and wait for the next version to reinstall
[04:54] <MindVirus> bbordwell: No I can't.
[04:54] <MindVirus> I have no access to my computer.
[04:55] <bbordwell> alien5p5g, it appears the upgrade worked
[04:55] <ZykoticK9> MindVirus, i just did some quick google search for plymouth versions - didn't see either of the plymouth versions i've seen.
[04:55] <MindVirus> OK.
[04:55] <bbordwell> MindVirus, have you tried alt+sysreq+k?
[04:56] <MindVirus> bbordwell: From Plymouth?
[04:56] <bbordwell> yes
[04:56] <MindVirus> Not yet. Will do.
[04:56] <alien5p5g> bbordwell: but the program quit, and the desktop never rebooted
[04:56] <bbordwell> plymouth locks for me with two displays and this resets it
[04:56] <bbordwell> takes me to the login screen
[04:56] <MindVirus> bbordwell: Plymouth seems really shitty.
[04:56] <bbordwell> have you tried manual reboot?
[04:57] <MindVirus> What?
[04:57] <bbordwell> MindVirus, yep there are alot of bugs still
[04:57] <bbordwell> MindVirus, the reboot thing was directed at alien5p5g
[04:57] <MindVirus> Your button combination freezes my computer.
[04:57] <ZykoticK9> OT but i love how everyone has 9 character nics right now
[04:58] <alien5p5g> bbordwell: I suppose I will when its done applying these updates. Thanks for your help :)
[04:58] <MindVirus> bbordwell: ^^
[04:58] <MindVirus> ZykoticK9: Yep. :)
[04:58] <MindVirus> Everything's aligned and nice.
[04:59] <bbordwell> MindVirus, plymouth has locked me out of my system in the past and i booted to recovery mode and then apt-get removed plymouth
[04:59] <MindVirus> bbordwell: Recovery mode does not work.
[05:00] <bbordwell> MindVirus, that is a deeper issue then, recovery mode does not use plymouth at all afaik
[05:00] <MindVirus> It does IIRC.
[05:00] <MindVirus> But plymouth is not the problem IMO.
[05:01] <bbordwell> MindVirus, hmm last time i tried was at alpha2 so things may have changed, bad idea i think
[05:01] <MindVirus> Aye.
[05:01] <bbordwell> MindVirus, have you tried the nouveau driver?
[05:01] <MindVirus> How do you suppose I do that?
[05:02] <MindVirus> (The recovery option has splash at the end of the kernel line.)
[05:02] <bbordwell> MindVirus, haha well i was just thinking the same thing myself :)....you should never run a pre-realease without some recovery media laying around
[05:03] <MindVirus> I can always do that.
[05:03] <bbordwell> i started testing on alpha one and i have had to do about 5 fresh installed
[05:03] <MindVirus> I want to solve it without touching that stuff.
[05:03] <MindVirus> This is a learning experience.
[05:03] <MindVirus> Trying recovery without the splash option.
[05:03] <MindVirus> (It gets stuck.)
[05:04] <bbordwell> MindVirus, yes, I am sure there are some boot parameters that could help but i am not knowledgeable enough to help you with that
[05:04] <MindVirus> bbordwell: I'm using https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions#Common%20Boot%20Options
[05:14] <MindVirus> OK.
[05:14] <MindVirus> bbordwell: You there?
[05:14] <bullgard> I switched  to my virtual console #1. When I returned to virtual console #7 I read: "init: plymouth main process (252) killed by SEGV signal. ... " My X is now on virtual console 8. What does this mean?
[05:15] <bullgard> MindVirus: Please do not replace interpunction with the Enter key.
[05:15] <bbordwell> MindVirus, yes
[05:15] <MindVirus> bullgard: Sweet.
[05:15] <MindVirus> bbordwell: I tried something weird and it worked.
[05:15] <MindVirus> I have a terminal.
[05:15] <MindVirus> I just can't see it.
[05:16] <bbordwell> MindVirus, that is not very useful :)
[05:16] <MindVirus> I tried typing a bunch of stuff and pressing Enter; nothing would work. Then I typed "reboot" and it worked.
[05:16] <bbordwell> have you tried alt+f7? i think that switches consoles
[05:18] <MindVirus> bbordwell: Will do.
[05:18] <bbordwell> MindVirus, i do not expect it to work, but its worth a try
[05:19] <MindVirus> bbordwell: How can I make my computer produce a beep, or noise?
[05:20] <bbordwell> MindVirus, I do not know anything but i can try and look
[05:22] <bullgard> In Karmic I had vesafb. But Lucid installed vga16fb. Why did it change?
[05:24] <bbordwell> bullgard, I am guessing it has to do with the new boot proccess, perhaps vesafb could not produce a clean boot like the developers want
[05:28] <bbordwell> MindVirus, sudo apt-get install beep
[05:28] <MindVirus> bbordwell: I tried that already.
[05:28] <bbordwell> I am not sure how to use it but that will make it beep
[05:29] <bbordwell> echo -e /a ?
[05:30] <bbordwell> I am guessing you already read the page i am on though
[05:30] <bullgard> bbordwell: "new"? The latest copyright remark in vga16fb.c is of 1999.
[05:30] <MindVirus> Great; now plymouth isn't accepting keyboard input.
[05:31] <MindVirus> Like my keyboard's not plugged in.
[05:35] <DanaG> hmm, what I'd use instead of vesafb: uvesafb.
[05:35] <DanaG> vesafb is obsolete.
[05:38] <bullgard> DanaG: "obsolete" is an niridescent word. What do you mean by "obsolete" exactly?
[05:38] <bullgard> s/niridescent/iridescent/
[05:39] <DanaG> fine, it's "deprecated".
[05:39] <MindVirus> bbordwell: Hmm.
[05:39] <MindVirus> Now plymouth gets killed.
[05:40] <MindVirus> Except I'm not dropped into a shell. It prints out "init: plymouth main process (345) killed by SEGV signal"
[05:40] <MindVirus> In terminal 7. Pressing escape does naught.
[05:41] <bullgard> DanaG: Righ. And why is vesafb deprecated?
[05:41] <bullgard> s/Righ/Right/
[05:42] <DanaG> uvesafb is more flexible... even lets you change modes on the fly.
[05:45] <kelvl> DanaG: hey, i am back... i still don't seem to be able to enable SHMConfig
[05:45] <DanaG> weird.
[05:45] <kelvl> DanaG: i want to see whether i can use synclient to configure the two finger thresholds
[05:46] <kelvl> is there a way for me to start X with a xorg.conf?
[05:46] <kelvl> or generate a xorg.conf
[05:46] <kelvl> so that i can explicitly put "shmconfig on"
[05:46] <kelvl> in xorg.conf?
[05:46] <MindVirus> kelvl: You shouldn't do it in xorg.conf.
[05:47] <MindVirus> There is a HAL option.
[05:47] <MindVirus> Google it.
[05:47] <kelvl> MindVirus: i have tried creating a shmconfig HAL following the HAL tutorial to enable SHMconfig
[05:48] <kelvl> but it doesn't seem to run it
[05:48] <kelvl> i followed the synaptics touchpad tutorial on the ubuntu wiki
[05:48] <kelvl> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SynapticsTouchpad#shmconfig
[05:49] <kelvl> is there anyway for me to explictly enable shmconfig on 10.04?
[05:50] <bullgard> DanaG: Thank you very much for your help.
[05:52] <bbordwell> Has anyone here tried burning an audio cd through rhythmbox?
[05:53] <bullgard> bbordwell: Me not yet.
[05:54] <wastrel> is it possible to restore the gnome volume control panel applet
[05:54] <bbordwell> bullgard, when i make a playlist, then right click on it and press create audio cd nothing happens
[05:54] <bbordwell> If you test this out and have the same bug i already filed a bug
[05:54] <bbordwell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/543892
[05:56] <wastrel> because the indicator applet sucks
[05:56] <ddecator> bbordwell: when i tried, it used brasero
[05:56] <bbordwell> ddecator, that is the expected behavior
[05:57] <ddecator> i wish it didn't =\
[05:57] <bbordwell> not working for me though :(
[05:57] <bbordwell> wastrel, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/519553
[05:58] <wastrel> bbordwell: no i mean, i don't like the indicator applet and would like to remove it and restore the old volume applet which was good
[05:59] <ZykoticK9> wastrel, i don't see the gnome-volume in the default repo, "perhaps" you could try installing the version from Karmic
[05:59] <wastrel> you can scroll on the volume icon in the panel to change volume with the gnome-volume applet
[05:59] <wastrel> but not with the indicator applet
[05:59] <wastrel> with the mouse scroll wheel
[06:00] <bbordwell> ddecator, when you insert a black disk does a menu come up asking you what you would like to do?
[06:00] <ZykoticK9> wastrel, NOT that this helps at all - but if you click on the volume so the drop down shows up you can scroll wheel on that (dumb i know)
[06:00] <bbordwell> blank*
[06:00] <wastrel> ZykoticK9: yeah but you have to hover over the correct location
[06:00] <wastrel> it's poor ui
[06:00] <ddecator> bbordwell: i don't remember, i did it yesterday. i know it did for the audio cd...
[06:01] <ZykoticK9> wastrel, i totally agree - i MUCH preferred the old volume - i miss the mouse wheel :(
[06:01] <maccam94> what happened to sun-java6-jre?
[06:02] <bbordwell> ddecator, okay because i do not get a menu and i was not sure weather i should get one or not
[06:02] <ZykoticK9> maccam94, just add the partner repo and it's there
[06:02] <wastrel> plus the notification area is way bigger and hogs a ton of space on the panel
[06:02] <maccam94> ZykoticK9: ah ok, cool
[06:02] <wastrel> er, indicator applet
[06:04] <almoxarife> the volume applet is part of "Indicator Applet 0.3.4"
[06:04] <almoxarife> learned that yesterday
[06:06] <almoxarife> has anyone figured out how to add 'thunderbird' to the indicator applet?
[06:07] <bbordwell> almoxarife, this is just a workaround but you could use alltray
[06:07] <almoxarife> alltray?
[06:07] <almoxarife> googled
[06:07] <bbordwell> !info alltray
[06:08] <almoxarife> thanks
[06:08] <fatum> Audio output just completely stopped working, is it possible to somehow revert back?
[06:08] <almoxarife> fatum: after upgrade?
[06:09] <fatum> almoxarife:  It was working after installing 10.04, however I changed the default audio device and output / input stopped working.  After restarting, the device was changed back, but still no output.
[06:10] <fatum> Wait actually, it seems to be working from one application.
[06:10] <almoxarife> fatum: if it works with one it must ..........
[06:10] <bbordwell> fatum, in a terminal type alsamixer and mess with the volumes and see if you can get it to work
[06:10] <fatum> Very strange, audio output is now working with every application.
[06:11] <fatum> I didn't change anything.
[06:12] <almoxarife> I had to change my output option from 'output line' to output speaker. or was that the other way around?? while cycling thru the choices and with alsamixer up and running you can tell which as the speaker on by default
[06:14] <DanaG> weird... the alc268 (I think it is) in the samsung netbook thinks it's capable of 4-channel output.
[06:15] <almoxarife> DanaG: all you got to do now is find the two missing jacks :)
[06:16] <DanaG> heh, and the built-in thing is MONO.
[06:17] <almoxarife> sold as mono?
[06:18] <almoxarife> I notice screen flicker in lucid that I didn't see in karmic, fix?
[06:20] <microlith> hmm
[06:21] <ZykoticK9> microlith, are you using VBox from Oracle or the OSE version from the repo?  What is your host OS?
[06:22] <microlith> oracle version, host is vista 64
[06:22] <wolter> has anybody experienced an extreme slowdown in boot time?
[06:22] <wolter> in lucid, recently
[06:23] <ZykoticK9> microlith, someone earlier was having the same problem.  you might want to ask in #vbox channel - it's working fine with my 10.04 and OSE version (mouse integration was a problem with PUEL version)
[06:23] <microlith> weird, ok
[06:23] <bbordwell> wolter,  I am not sure when it occured but my boot times are much slower then when i started testing at alph2
[06:23] <wolter> bbordwell, same here!
[06:23] <wolter> god.. what did they do?
[06:24] <wolter> I was login in in 3 seconds i swear
[06:24] <bbordwell> wolter,  thats with a faster hdd installed too
[06:24] <wolter> i mean, it took 29 secs to get to login screen, but after that only 3 damn seconds
[06:25] <bbordwell> Last time i times it i was at 18 sec from the time my bios finished loading to useable desktop
[06:25] <bbordwell> I have not time it recently though
[06:25] <bbordwell> will do though, brb
[06:26] <Wutzan> Hey guys, when booting of the live cd of 10.04 beta 32 bit I cannot get past the boot logo, for it gives this error "stdin: error 0" repeated until it finally gives this error "Unable to find a meduim containing a live file system". It is not the cd as I've tried it on a laptop, and it runs fine, it's not the dvd drive as previous versions of ubuntu live cds still boot just fine.
[06:27] <bbordwell> wolter, I think I have simply gotten used to the short boot. It was 23 seconds
[06:27] <bbordwell> still not as fast as it used to be
[06:28] <bbordwell> +5 seconds and its on a faster hdd, but i also have 3hdds now which may slow it down a bit
[06:29] <wolter> oh
[06:29] <bbordwell> oh well im happy, still faster than karmic
[06:29] <wolter> yeah well, 18 secs is real flying
[06:29] <wolter> yeah indeed
[06:29] <wolter> but i dislike that i was having faster logons before beta
[06:30] <bbordwell> yes, but it does boot more reliably now
[06:31] <bbordwell> Though it still fails to boot in my preffered configuratoin
[06:31] <bbordwell> configuration
[06:31] <bbordwell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/533135
[06:34] <DanaG> heh, anyone here remember the old bootsplash, when it advanced from left to right when booting up, and receded from left to right when shutting down?
[06:34] <DanaG> Well, the new boot splash looks like it's starting up and shutting down, over and over.
[06:34] <DanaG> It looks really bad.
[06:34] <DanaG> up....down....up....down....up....down....up....down....up....down....
[06:35] <DanaG> Make up your mind already... are you BOOTING, or shutting down?
[06:35] <DanaG> (oh, and occasionally my netbook gets stuck at that confusing startupshutdown splash screen.
[06:35] <bbordwell> mine does not act like that
[06:35] <DanaG> .... could not write bytes: broken pipe.)
[06:36] <bbordwell> it keeps going to the right
[06:36] <DanaG> well, if you think of red as full and white as empty, it does do that.
[06:36] <DanaG> fills to the right... then empties to the right.
[06:36] <bbordwell> when they are all lit up the one on the left turns off
[06:36] <bbordwell> then the second one
[06:36] <DanaG> That's exactly the same thing as I'm saying it does!
[06:36] <bbordwell> until they are all off again
[06:36] <bbordwell> haha
[06:37] <bbordwell> i thought you were saying it filled up from left to right (which it does) and then emptied from right to left
[06:37] <DanaG> ah.
[06:38] <DanaG> anyway, it looks really stupid to be "shutting down" while starting up. =þ
[06:38] <bbordwell> its all a matter of taste though
[06:38] <DanaG> It should be "scrolling", not looping from 0% to 100% and back again. =þ
[06:42] <bbordwell> sudo plymouth-set-default-theme --list
[06:42] <bbordwell> have you tried chaning the theme?
[06:42] <DanaG> oh yeah, how many dots are there?
[06:42] <bbordwell> changing*
[06:42] <bbordwell> 4 or 5?
[06:42] <bbordwell> i cant remember
[06:43] <bbordwell> brb I am going to try the solar theme
[06:45] <bbordwell> pretty :)
[06:55] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9018679
[06:58] <DanaG> posted my thoughts there.
[07:06] <TheSage> Good evening/morning/afternoon everyone.
[07:09] <ZykoticK9> TheSage, well Good evening/morning/afternoon to you too :)
[07:13] <bbordwell> haha do you consider 2 am morning or night?
[07:14] <drizzt_> does Ubuntu software center hanging constantly? why we ever need this pos?
[07:15] <bbordwell> drizzt_, software center hangs for me sometimes but not often
[07:15] <bbordwell> Why do you use it if you don't like it?
[07:16] <bbordwell> drizzt_, and for why we need it, it is very helpful to new users
[07:16] <TheSage> So, I update the Beta and get the new -17 Kernal and it killed by Internet :)
[07:16] <drizzt_> because it is in prominent place in start menu?
[07:17] <TheSage> Running the same update on my VM to see if it has the same effect
[07:17]  * TheSage likes the new Software Center.
[07:18] <TheSage> ANyone else have the same problem?
[07:18] <ZykoticK9> TheSage, i updated my desktop as well as VMs and didn't have that problem with -17
[07:18]  * DanaG goes off to bed.
[07:18] <bbordwell> TheSage, are you using wireless?
[07:18] <DanaG> Wed Mar 24 00:18:47 PDT 2010
[07:18] <ZykoticK9> TheSage, i don't remember seeing anyone mention this problem today
[07:18] <TheSage> bbordwell: Yes
[07:19] <bbordwell> ya i hear of kernel updates killing this or that wireless adaptor alot
[07:19] <bbordwell> should be an easy fix if you file a bug report
[07:19] <TheSage> bbordwell: I am trying to track this problem down a bit.
[07:19] <bbordwell> have you looked at your kernel log?
[07:20] <TheSage> bbordwell: No
[07:20] <bbordwell> administration>log viewer
[07:20] <bbordwell> you may find some useful information there
[07:21] <bbordwell> The devs are smart about not removing the previous version of the kernel when there is an update
[07:22] <drizzt_> and why the beta do not support virtualbox?
[07:22] <bbordwell> drizzt_, it does?
[07:22] <bbordwell> i have it installed
[07:22] <bbordwell> i used software center
[07:22] <TheSage> bbordwell: Well, about the only thing I have conformed at this point is that it was -17 that did it to me. -16 still works fine. But I want to make sure its not me because I have an Intel Wireless Adaptor which is pretty darned common.
[07:22] <ZykoticK9> drizzt_, i'm using lucid as both host and guest just fine
[07:23] <drizzt_> well lucid runs only in safe video mode in virtualbox for me
[07:24] <ZykoticK9> drizzt_, are you using the version from Oracle (is your host Vista by chance?)
[07:24] <drizzt_> no it is not; it's official 3.1.4 version
[07:24] <TheSage> drizzt_: I have had some video issues with Ubuntu in Parralells.
[07:25] <TheSage> Apparently Parralells doesn't like the new nvidia driver.
[07:26] <bbordwell> nouveau?
[07:26] <TheSage> Is that what it is called?
[07:26] <bbordwell> the open source nvidia driver in lucid is called nouveau
[07:27] <bbordwell> !info nouveau
[07:27] <TheSage> hmmm
[07:27] <TheSage> VERY interesting, now the internet works again.
[07:27] <bbordwell> !info libdrm-nouveau1
[07:28] <bbordwell> !info xserver-xorg-video-nouveau
[07:28] <TheSage> ahhh... the fun of Beta's :)
[07:28] <bbordwell> I have been running lucid since alpha 2
[07:28] <bbordwell> :)
[07:29] <bbordwell> to be fair though i have only had one major problem not related to plymouth
[07:29] <bbordwell> though plymouth has caused me alot of grief
[07:29] <TheSage> bbordwell: I normally avoid the Alphas, but I figure sending bug reports in on the Betas is my contribution to project :)
[07:30] <TheSage> bbordwell: Ahh yes, that took me by surprise as well.
[07:30] <bbordwell> yes, bug reports and trying to help on the IRC channel is all i can do so i try and do what i can
[07:31] <ZykoticK9> drizzt_, just to show it is possible http://imagebin.org/90103 the wobbly windows didn't come out too well in the screenshot, but they look fine in the VM in real life
[07:31] <bbordwell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/533135
[07:31] <bbordwell> this bug is my biggest concern
[07:32] <TheSage> bbordwell: The only real grief I have with 10.04 is how they Macintoshed the menubar buttons.
[07:33] <bbordwell> I avoid macs so i have no idea what you mean
[07:33] <TheSage> They put the Menubar Buttons on the left :)
[07:33] <bbordwell> ahh
[07:33] <bbordwell> yes
[07:34] <bbordwell> i didnt like it at first
[07:34] <TheSage> Thats a straight up copy of Apple
[07:34] <bbordwell> but now i find myself liking it
[07:34] <bbordwell> well its kind of a catch 22
[07:34] <bbordwell> if its on the right its a copy of microsoft
[07:34] <bbordwell> on the left its a copy of mac
[07:34] <ZykoticK9> bbordwell, and microsoft copied it from Xerox i believe
[07:34] <dooglus> what's the package name for openoffice.org help for en-us?
[07:35] <dooglus> !info openoffice.org-help-en-us
[07:35] <TheSage> No, this is specific to mac, they are the only ones who put it on the left side. EVen they used to have them on the right side.
[07:35] <dooglus> I can't install that one
[07:35] <dooglus> because: "Conflicts: openoffice.org-core (< 1:3.2.0) but 1:3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1 is to be installed"
[07:36] <TheSage> The justification was that people focus on the top left of any square more than any other place on that square (how they figured this out I have no idea)
[07:37] <bbordwell> Its logical
[07:37] <bbordwell> we read left to right
[07:37] <bbordwell> top to bottom
[07:37] <dooglus> su fo lla ton
[07:37] <bbordwell> ture
[07:37] <bbordwell> true
[07:38] <TheSage> bbordwell: Thats true, I hadn't thought of that
[07:38] <dooglus> there's a device you can use to trace eye movements
[07:38] <dooglus> they'll have studied people using computers and seen where their eyes point
[07:38] <TheSage> bbordwell: Well, its an easy fix to put the menu buttons back on the right so I suppose there is no foul.
[07:39] <bbordwell> maybe they should put a set on the left and a set on the right?
[07:39] <bbordwell> haha
[07:39] <dooglus> http://eyetools.com/research_google_eyetracking_heatmap.html for example
[07:39] <bbordwell> dooglus, are you using 64bit on a hard install (not vb)?
[07:40] <dooglus> bbordwell: I installed from a USB stick.  it was easy.
[07:40] <dooglus> bbordwell: I don't know how many bits
[07:40] <TheSage> bbordwell: Heheh. We just need a computer that knows what we intend to do rather than what we actually tell it to do :)
[07:40] <dooglus> bbordwell: if it helps: chris@vikki-laptop:~$ uname -a
[07:40] <dooglus> Linux vikki-laptop 2.6.32-16-generic #25-Ubuntu SMP Tue Mar 9 16:33:52 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:41] <bbordwell> 32bit
[07:41] <bbordwell> what type of processor do you have?
[07:41] <dooglus> bbordwell: model name: AMD Athlon(tm) 64 X2 Dual-Core Processor TK-55
[07:42] <bbordwell> dooglus, you might as well use 64bit
[07:42] <dooglus> bbordwell: I don't like how stuff doesn't work in 64bit
[07:42] <bbordwell> I have had better experiences on 64bit than on 32bit
[07:42] <dooglus> flash in particular is flaky in the 64bit version in my experience.  and I've found no way of getting ndiswrapper to work in 64bit
[07:43] <bbordwell> dooglus, +1
[07:43] <bbordwell> flash can be a pin
[07:43] <bbordwell> pain
[07:43] <bbordwell> are you talking about the clicks not registering in flash?
[07:43] <dooglus> bbordwell: this isn't my laptop, it's a friends.  the 32 kernel is fine.  it doesn't have enough RAM for it to matter in that way
[07:44] <dooglus> bbordwell: I just want to install the OO.o docs
[07:44] <dooglus> bbordwell: I am
[07:44] <TheSage> Well
[07:44] <TheSage> It works fine under the virtual machine
[07:44] <TheSage> That narrows it to a problem specifically with my laptop
[07:45] <bbordwell> dooglus, i think this is a case were you must just wait a couple of days for the docs package to be updated
[07:45] <dooglus> bbordwell: ok, will do
[07:46] <dooglus> I have another question.  maybe a week ago I had an email saying the 10.04 beta was available
[07:46] <dooglus> so I ran the update manager with -d flag, or whatever, and it aid 'warning, this is alpha software'
[07:46] <dooglus> said*
[07:46] <dooglus> am I on an out-of-date mirror?  or does it do that for everyone?
[07:46] <bbordwell> i think i saw a bug about that
[07:47] <bbordwell> i think it was fixed recently though
[07:47] <bbordwell> dooglus, openoffice.org-help-en-us is installed on my system
[07:47] <bbordwell> is that what you are trying to install?
[07:47] <dooglus> bbordwell: "apt-cache policy openoffice.org-help-en-us" please?
[07:48] <bbordwell> ben@ben-desktop:~$ apt-cache policy openoffice.org-help-en-us
[07:48] <bbordwell> openoffice.org-help-en-us:
[07:48] <bbordwell>   Installed: 1:3.2.0-4ubuntu1
[07:48] <bbordwell>   Candidate: 1:3.2.0-4ubuntu1
[07:48] <bbordwell>   Version table:
[07:48] <bbordwell>  *** 1:3.2.0-4ubuntu1 0
[07:48] <bbordwell>         500 http://us.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/ lucid/main Packages
[07:48] <bbordwell>         100 /var/lib/dpkg/status
[07:48] <jussi01> !paste
[07:49] <dooglus> I see: chris@vikki-laptop:~$ apt-cache policy openoffice.org-help-en-us | grep -i candidate
[07:49] <dooglus>   Candidate: 1:3.2.0-4ubuntu1
[07:49] <dooglus> same as you.  odd.
[07:50] <almoxarife> I broke the package ubuntu-standard, I did it so that I didn't have memcheck installing, is it possible to filter out a pckg from another pckg?
[07:50] <dooglus> bbordwell: what about this command?   this is the one that it's conflicting with for me: chris@vikki-laptop:~$ apt-cache policy openoffice.org-core | grep Candid
[07:50] <dooglus>   Candidate: 1:3.2.0~rc4-1ubuntu1
[07:51] <bbordwell> Candidate: 1:3.2.0-4ubuntu1
[07:51] <dooglus> bbordwell: that's the difference then.  you have a 3.2.0 final release, and I have the 4th release candidate
[07:51] <bbordwell> how long since you updated your cache
[07:52] <dooglus> bbordwell: 3.23 minutes
[07:52] <bbordwell> i think i got that update 2 days ago
[07:52] <dooglus> bbordwell: I use the calgary repo
[07:53] <TheSage> I don't suppose there is a way to re-update the Kernal?
[07:54] <bbordwell> dooglus, you could manualy download the packages from packages.ubuntu.com
[07:54] <dooglus> bbordwell: see here - scroll down to openoffice-core_3.2.0...
[07:54] <dooglus> http://mirror.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/mirror/ubuntu.com/packages/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/
[07:54] <dooglus> bbordwell: which repo do you use?
[07:54] <bbordwell> i do not know
[07:55] <bbordwell> whatever was set by default
[07:55] <bbordwell> http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/i386/openoffice.org/download
[07:55] <bbordwell> you could manualy download and install with gdebi
[07:55] <bbordwell> it may take a while because you will have to get all the dependencies first
[07:57] <dooglus> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/o/openoffice.org/ shows that the version you have was there at 8am yesterday
[07:57] <dooglus> not sure what time zone though
[07:57] <dooglus> maybe the mirror I'm using only syncs once a day
[07:59] <dooglus> well this is ridiculous.  I just clicked an explosion icon in the top panel.  it's asking me to report an 'issue' but I have no idea which one
[08:00] <dooglus> "has this issue been confirmed to exist with the upstream kernel?" it asks me.  how on earth should I know?
[08:00] <Jaymac> dooglus, e
[08:00] <dooglus> Jaymac: think that would help?
[08:00] <Jaymac> dooglus, yeah that isn't the most end-user friendly system
[08:00] <dooglus> I always find it makes things fuzzier
[08:01] <Jaymac> haha
[08:01] <bbordwell> dooglus, that is apport
[08:01] <Jaymac> there was me hoping you'd ignore my accidental enter press
[08:01] <bbordwell> if you do not know what went wrong then don't report anything
[08:02] <dooglus> bbordwell: that's not an option.  I have to guess 'no' or 'yes'.  there's no "ok, forget it" or "I don't know" button
[08:02] <Jaymac> say no
[08:02] <Jaymac> then before you report the bug hit cancel
[08:02] <bbordwell> +1
[08:02] <dooglus> I said 'no'.  now it wrote a 5 line paragraph asking if I wanna test the upstream kernel.
[08:03] <bbordwell> want to do it again for fun? type ubuntu-bug linux in a terminal
[08:03] <bbordwell> you will have to say no like 5 times
[08:03] <dooglus> I don't.  now it wants to know if this is a regression.  this is crazy.  users shouldn't be asked such hard stuff
[08:03] <bbordwell> the it will say collecting data and you can hit cancel
[08:04] <dooglus> lol.  after all that, "The problem cannot be reported: This is not a genuine Ubuntu package"
[08:04] <dooglus> why not check that first, before asking all the details?
[08:04] <dooglus> the title bar says "Problem in linux-image-2.6.31-20-gene" - like that's not official?
[08:04] <bbordwell> nope
[08:05] <bbordwell> or are you not on lucid right now?
[08:05] <dooglus> bbordwell: I am
[08:05] <bbordwell> lucid uses 2.6.32
[08:05] <dooglus> bbordwell: I upgraded from 9.10 an hour ago
[08:05] <bbordwell> did you restart?
[08:05] <dooglus> I did
[08:05] <dooglus> the explosion icon told me that an old resume had failed, but appeared to work
[08:06] <bbordwell> in a terminal type uname -r
[08:06] <dooglus> I guess 9.10's apport hadn't noticed, but the new one did?
[08:06] <bbordwell> sounds like it
[08:06] <dooglus> but it's reporting on a crash that happened in 9.10 some time ago?
[08:06] <dooglus> chris@vikki-laptop:~$ uname -r
[08:06] <dooglus> 2.6.32-16-generic
[08:06] <bbordwell> haha thats strange
[08:07] <bbordwell> lucid apport reporting a crash from karmic......
[08:07] <dooglus> I installed ubuntu 9.10 on 6 or 7 computers here
[08:07] <dooglus> and they'll all be upgrading to 10.04 when it's released
[08:08] <bbordwell> i always do a fresh install instead of upgrading
[08:08] <dooglus> I was hoping not to have to download the 1000 updated packages over and over, for each machine
[08:08] <dooglus> bbordwell: doesn't it get annoying to have to reinstall all the packages you use and configure them every 6 months?
[08:08] <TheSage> Me too, I just install everything fresh
[08:09] <bbordwell> my install does not vary to much from default, so it does not take a whole lot
[08:09] <bbordwell> and i just started using ubuntu at 9.04
[08:10] <dooglus> I started with 5.04
[08:10] <bbordwell> nice
[08:10] <bbordwell> at first i dual booted
[08:11] <dooglus> me too
[08:11] <bbordwell> but now im microsoft free
[08:11] <dooglus> 'cos the software modem wasn't supported in linux :)
[08:11] <qwertyjustin> If i put on the new release of ubuntu 10.04 Beta, when the final release is available, will i need to do a clean install for it, or can i simply update the left over packages then required???
[08:11] <ZykoticK9> qwertyjustin, you don't need to fresh install you can just keep updating
[08:11] <dooglus> qwertyjustin: either.  update or reinstall as you like
[08:12] <TheSage> I am afraid I will not be microsoft free until Linux has a decent replacement for OneNote
[08:12] <dooglus> TheSage: what's that?
[08:12] <bbordwell> what is onenote?
[08:12] <qwertyjustin> thanks
[08:13] <dooglus> "Welcome to Microsoft Office OneNote 2007, the easy-to-use note-taking and information-management program in the 2007 Microsoft Office system. Use OneNote to capture your thoughts and ideas in electronic notebooks, where you can easily organize, search, and share them."
[08:13] <TheSage> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_OneNote
[08:13] <bbordwell> have you tried wine?
[08:13] <TheSage> Yes, it doesn't work under wine
[08:13] <bbordwell> figures......
[08:13] <Bittarman> tomboy
[08:14] <TheSage> Tomboy is no match for onenote
[08:14] <TheSage> Really, even the Apple side of things hasn't come up with a decent competitor to OneNote
[08:14] <ZykoticK9> TheSage, http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=12899 gives Silver - and one Gold review
[08:14] <Bittarman> if you ask me, tomboy is one note without all the useless cruft :P
[08:15] <TheSage> ZykoticK9: And three garbage ratings :)
[08:15] <dooglus> I can't find the volume control since upgrading, I just noticed
[08:16] <ZykoticK9> TheSage, true - but the rating on the left side is Silver (for whatever reason)
[08:16] <TheSage> meh... I guess I will stick to the -16 Kernel for now.
[08:16] <bbordwell> dooglus, its part of the idicator applet
[08:16] <bbordwell> should be there
[08:16] <TheSage> I am sure there will be more Kernel updates before this thing is done.
[08:16] <dooglus> bbordwell: what's the indicator applet look like?
[08:16] <bbordwell> TheSage, lucid is almost caught up to karmic on kernel updates
[08:16] <bbordwell> whats lucid at -20?
[08:17] <bbordwell> dooglus, I am not realy sure what exactly the indicator applet consists of. My volume indicator looks very similar to the one in karmic though
[08:17] <bbordwell> in the top right
[08:18] <bbordwell> !info indicator-applet
[08:18] <dooglus> bbordwell: oh, I see. it used to just show me an envelope icon, and never did anything, so I removed it
[08:18] <dooglus> bbordwell: now it seems the volume control, battery level and useless envelope are stuck together, so if I want one I have to have all of them?
[08:19] <bbordwell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/indicator-applet/+bug/519553
[08:19] <TheSage> bbordwell: I think its just a specific problem on my end.
[08:19] <bbordwell> dooglus, yes it kind of sucks
[08:19] <bbordwell> TheSage, are you still talking about the wireless?
[08:19] <dooglus> bbordwell: the GNOME guys seem kinda clueless.  lots of steps in the wrong direction
[08:19] <TheSage> bbordwell: Yeah
[08:20] <bbordwell> dooglus, I think idicator-applet is ubuntu specific. i could be wrong though
[08:20] <dooglus> bbordwell: whatever.  :)
[08:20] <TheSage> dooglus: Yeah, I wonder how well they new interface is going to over? Its really a departure from what we have now.
[08:21] <bbordwell> TheSage, More likely a problem with the wireless drivers. I would file a bug report
[08:21] <ionte_> hi. i'm having problems with SATA disk speed on lucid. I have 1 IDE and 1 SATA disk (about same age). On the IDE  I get speeds about 30-50 MB/s (read or write), on the SATA i get about the same for writing but only 3-4 MB/s while reading! Tried with ext4 and fat32. In Windows XP there is no problem.
[08:21] <ZykoticK9> TheSage, have you seen Gnome 3 (gnome-shell) now that's a departure
[08:21] <ionte_> ideas?
[08:21] <TheSage> ZykoticK9: That is what I am taking about
[08:21] <dooglus> TheSage: moving the window controls (min, max, close) to the left by default seems silly.  that's going to annoy people.
[08:21] <TheSage> bbordwell: I am
[08:22] <maxb> window controls (min, max, close) to the left, and not providing any way to reconfigure it short of gconf-editor is downright ridiculous :-(
[08:22] <bbordwell> dooglus, like a said before its all a matter of taste
[08:23] <maxb> change for change's sake == bad
[08:23] <bbordwell> as long as it is configurable i dont care
[08:23] <maxb> adequate reasoning that this change is done for good reason == not provided
[08:23] <bbordwell> at first i did not like it, but now i do
[08:23] <maxb> adequate configurability == not provided
[08:23] <dooglus> bbordwell: it is, but this seems like it's only going to annoy people.  it's been on the right for years, and suddently it moves?  offer it as an option, sure, but moving the buttons around without asking?
[08:23] <maxb> overall == Ubuntu fails to provide good user experience
[08:23] <bbordwell> maxb,  they should make it more easily configureable
[08:24] <dooglus> how do you configure it?  I tried to find it, but the 'window manager' config panel seems to have vanished too
[08:24] <maxb> you twiddle a gconf key manually
[08:24] <drizzt_> what a bunch of idiotic changes
[08:25] <dooglus> the program to set the screen resolution is now called "Monitors" too?  wtf?
[08:25] <dooglus> maxb: seriously?  there used to be a GUI for it I'm sure
[08:25] <bbordwell> dooglus, monitors does more than change resolution
[08:25] <bbordwell> you also set up multiple screens there
[08:25] <maxb> dooglus: not that I nor googling could find
[08:25] <dooglus> bbordwell: it does, right.
[08:26] <drizzt_> because everyone has multiple screens?
[08:26] <TheSage> bbordwell: Of course, using Apport without working Internet could be tricky :)
[08:26] <dooglus> I like the ability to rotate the display.  but most will never want to use it
[08:26] <bbordwell> drizzt_, no but making it easy to set up multiple screens is a huge usablitly feature
[08:27] <drizzt_> I'm still waiting for Home Network Wizard
[08:27] <drizzt_> or at least for Internet Connection Sharing from Windows 98
[08:27] <bbordwell> TheSage, perhaps you can save your kernel logs while on -17 then reboot and attach them by hand on the -16 kernel
[08:28] <dooglus> what's the program called that lets you twiddle the GNOME 'registry-like' thing?  gconfd-editor or some such?
[08:28] <drizzt_> most other distros have internet sharing OOBE, except this 'user-friendly' Ubuntu
[08:28] <bbordwell> gconf-edit i think
[08:28] <ZykoticK9> dooglus, gconf-editor
[08:28] <bbordwell> in a terminal
[08:28] <dooglus> thanks
[08:29] <TheSage> bbordwell: I'll deal with it tommorow :) I need to get to bed anyways :)
[08:29] <bbordwell> My most common use of that is to remove my mounted file systems from my desktop
[08:29] <TheSage> bbordwell: I will figure something out.
[08:29] <drizzt_> I don't understand, Canonical has paid developers and all that they do is moving window buttons and inventing more psychodelic colors
[08:29] <TheSage> goodnight everyone
[08:29] <bbordwell> TheSage, ok night
[08:30] <bbordwell> drizzt_, improved boot up time, plymouth
[08:30] <bbordwell> music store coming soon
[08:30] <TheSage> BTW
[08:30] <TheSage> As for home networking...
[08:30] <bbordwell> improved software center
[08:30] <TheSage> Check out Amahi.
[08:30] <dooglus> so which gconf variable controls the button placement?
[08:30] <bbordwell> !info amahi
[08:30] <dooglus> /apps/metacity/something?
[08:31] <TheSage> Its built for Fedroa, but it has almost all of the same features that Windows Home Server does and is 100X as stable.
[08:31] <drizzt_> wtf is plymouth?
[08:31] <bbordwell> the new boot experience
[08:31] <bbordwell> to replace usplash
[08:32] <dooglus> the boot seemed very fast
[08:32] <bbordwell> dooglus, mine was at 18 seconds on alpha 2
[08:32] <TheSage> And the developers are looking for Ubuntu developers to help create an Ubuntu Version.
[08:32] <bbordwell> it is now 23
[08:32] <almoxarife> does having a 2 gig swap increase boot time?
[08:32] <bbordwell> almoxarife, it shouldnt
[08:32] <almoxarife> I have a long boot time
[08:33] <dooglus> almoxarife: I've had it take a long time to mount large swap partitions before
[08:33] <bbordwell> almoxarife, how long?
[08:33] <drizzt_> why that boot obsession? people boot their machines once in a month and suspend|hibernating them at night
[08:33] <dooglus> almoxarife: try disabling the swap partition and rebooting - that'll tell you
[08:33] <Bittarman> almoxarife, encrypted home partition?
[08:33] <almoxarife> bbordwell: it may also have to do with wubi
[08:33] <Bittarman> drizzt_, not everyone does
[08:34] <almoxarife> Bittarman: no encrypts
[08:34] <bbordwell> Bittarman, +1
[08:34] <bbordwell> Bittarman, i have never used wubi
[08:35] <almoxarife> I don't boot often enough to worry about it, it comes out of sleep in secs, so no worries here
[08:36] <Bittarman> bbordwell, ?
[08:36] <bullgard> My loadable framebuffer module is vga16fb. I am using Grub2. How can I set the framebuffer resolution to 0x0340?
[08:36] <almoxarife> I was too lazy to make a partition, started in wubi, now that I know how to recover from wubi/grub2 crashes with little effort it is a non issue
[08:37] <Bittarman> almoxarife, actually, cups could be causng your delays
[08:37] <almoxarife> cups? how?
[08:37] <Bittarman> in  my experience that always slows boots
[08:37] <Bittarman> if you have no printer, just uninstall it
[08:38] <almoxarife> I guess I could run that boot charting thing to find out for sure what is causing it, but I just wondered
[08:38] <almoxarife> I have a printer, hp
[08:40] <almoxarife> I decided to upgrade instead of clean install, seems to be working fine now, since I fixed the sound and the compiz and the volume applet, and :)
[08:41] <bbordwell_> I just tried suspending for the first time and it did not work
[08:41] <bbordwell_> nouveau is at fault
[08:41] <almoxarife> bbordwell_: your swap big enough?
[08:42] <bbordwell_> yes, i can tell it was nouveau's fault because everything shut down but my graphics card
[08:42] <Bittarman> bbordwell_, try using the nvidia drivers instead
[08:43] <bbordwell_> Bittarman, I know suspend works with nvidia drivers, but i like how dual head works on nouveau better, plus plymouth is better
[08:43] <almoxarife> there is something called s2??? a alternate method to put it to sleep?
[08:43] <bbordwell_> plus an 18 second boot time is hardly slower than waking up
[08:43] <Bittarman> bbordwell_, how better? I use nvidia on dual head on two machines, and it works fine
[08:44] <bbordwell_> almoxarife, that is for the proccessor not related to the graphics card
[08:44] <Bittarman> and plymouth works fine with the nvidia driver
[08:44] <bbordwell_> Bittarman, how does it look? last time i used it it was just blue bars
[08:44] <Bittarman> looks like normal
[08:44] <almoxarife> bbordwell_: mine wakes up in about 1.5 sec, never have gotten my wifes compaq to sleep
[08:45] <Bittarman> some weird libgcrypt thing on my laptop keeps it from displaying for a while, but my other machines "just work"
[08:45] <bbordwell_> Bittarman, with nvidia driver running two x sessions it does not work well, running twinview i get tearing on my second display
[08:45] <Bittarman> weird. I've tried twinview and separate x's and i've never had any problems
[08:46] <bbordwell_> Bittarman, the tearing issue is well documented
[08:46] <almoxarife> one thing I used to be able to do that I can't do now, drag a app across to the other space, won't do it and I don't know how I did it before
[08:46] <bbordwell_> since it treats it as one display it can only synce to on monitor
[08:47] <bbordwell_> almoxarife, i think you have to enable ximera or something like htat
[08:48] <almoxarife> bbordwell_: I don't think so, I would remember that, never loaded anything special for it
[08:48] <bullgard> My loadable framebuffer module is vga16fb. I am using Grub2. How can I set the framebuffer resolution to 0x0340?
[08:48] <almoxarife> bullgard: I would help, but I don't have a clue what you just said
[08:50] <almoxarife> bullgard: you want to increase your resolution?
[08:50] <bullgard> yes.
[08:50] <almoxarife> tried doing it in 'monitor'?
[08:51] <almoxarife> monitors
[08:52] <bbordwell_> bullgard, "sudo apt-get install startupmanager" then system>administration>startup-manager then simiply change the resolution
[08:55] <bbordwell_> for some reason i can not get my grub menu to show up
[08:56] <almoxarife> bbordwell_: did you just update?
[08:56] <bbordwell_> almoxarife, no
[08:57] <bbordwell_> fresh install about 1 week ago
[08:57] <almoxarife> bbordwell_: partition?
[08:58] <bbordwell_> almoxarife, what exactly do you want to know?
[08:58] <almoxarife> bbordwell_: what kind of install?
[08:58] <bullgard> bbordwell_: I just installed startup-manager and looked through its settings. I don't think that it offers an option to set the resolution of my virtual consoles.
[08:58] <bbordwell_> i ereased the entire disk and put lucid on
[08:59] <bbordwell_> bullgard, oh i thought you wanted to change the resolution of the grub menu sory
[08:59] <bullgard> bbordwell_: No.--  Never mind.  --  Thank you.
[09:00] <almoxarife> bullgard: virtual consoles?
[09:00] <bullgard> almoxarife: What do you mean by "monitors"? I cannot find a DEB program package "monitors" in Synaptic.
[09:01] <bullgard> almoxarife: Yes, virtual consoles.
[09:01] <almoxarife> bullgard: sys>pref>monitors
[09:03] <Scotie> Hallo
[09:03] <bbordwell_> almoxarife, i have a 920.17gb ext4 sda1, and a 11.34gb sda2 swap
[09:03] <bbordwell_> thats it
[09:03] <bbordwell_> well plus my other two data drives
[09:03] <bullgard> almoxarife: System > Preferences > Monitors does not offer an option to set the resolution of virtual consoles.
[09:04] <almoxarife> what is running virtual?
[09:04] <almoxarife> what virtual software?
[09:04] <almoxarife> what is the host OS
[09:05] <almoxarife> what is the virtualized os?
[09:06] <sanderj> When will the lts version be out?
[09:06] <bullgard> almoxarife: I do not understand your message: "what is running virtual?" Please say it in other words.
[09:06] <bbordwell_> sanderj, end of april
[09:06] <bullgard> almoxarife: My OS is Ubuntu Lucid Beta.
[09:07] <bullgard> almoxarife: I do not understand your question: "what is the virtualized os?" Please say it in other words.
[09:07] <bullgard> sanderj: On April 29th, 2010.
[09:08] <sanderj> bullgard, cool.. Is it that predictable?
[09:08] <bullgard> sanderj: This is the official date.
[09:09] <yofel> sanderj: see the schedule in the topic
[09:09] <almoxarife> bullgard: I am trying to understand what a virtual console is, so far I have no clue
[09:09] <yofel> morning btw.
[09:09] <bullgard> gm yofel
[09:10] <bullgard> yofel: devices.txt (Karmic): "Virtual consoles are full-screen terminal displays on the system video monitor.  Virtual consoles are named /dev/tty#, with numbering starting at /dev/tty1; /dev/tty0 is the current virtual console. /dev/tty0 is the device that should be used to access the system video card on those architectures for which the frame buffer devices (/dev/fb*) are not applicable....
[09:10] <bullgard> ...Do not use /dev/console for this purpose. Siehe auch »«/»console device«"."
[09:10] <bullgard> almoxarife: devices.txt (Karmic): "Virtual consoles are full-screen terminal displays on the system video monitor.  Virtual consoles are named /dev/tty#, with numbering starting at /dev/tty1; /dev/tty0 is the current virtual console. /dev/tty0 is the device that should be used to access the system video card on those architectures for which the frame buffer devices (/dev/fb*) are not...
[09:10] <bullgard> ...applicable. Do not use /dev/console for this purpose. Siehe auch »«/»console device«"."
[09:26] <bullgard> My loadable framebuffer module is vga16fb. I am using Grub2. How can I set the framebuffer resolution to 0x0340?
[09:31] <bbordwell> Has anyone added a splash image to grub on lucid?
[09:39] <AbortD> im extracting a .tar.gz file and after its in the folder i cant see the .conf file i need
[09:39] <AbortD> can anyone help
[09:43] <chandru_in> It was possible to remove the messaging menu from the top panel by removing the indicator applet in Karmic.  However in Lucid the sound preferences icon also uses the indicator applet and hence there is no way to specifically remove the messaing menu
[09:43] <chandru_in> Is there a workaround for this
[09:43] <chandru_in> ?
[09:44] <drizzt_> no, shuttleworth said you need it, ypu should be a good bitch and be glad
[09:45] <chandru_in> Is there any plans to allow selective removal of icons from the indicator panel.  They way it currently works is annoying!
[09:45] <drizzt_> it brings you online OOBE and stuff
[09:46] <chandru_in> What if I just don't want it?
[09:46] <om26er> drizzt_, you should watch your language
[09:47] <drizzt_> someone always draw language argument when has niothing to say
[09:47] <drizzt_> chandru_in, you can recompile indicator-applet without this feature
[09:48] <chandru_in> drizzt_: You mean with this feature?
[09:49] <drizzt_> chandru_in, I though you want to remove <envelope> icon from notification area?
[09:50] <chandru_in> Do you mean that the messaging icon is baked right into the indicator applet?  Also, was there a specific reason why the sound preferences icon was moved to indicator applet while the network icon remains in notification area?
[09:50] <chandru_in> What is the basic purpose of the indicator applet anyway?
[09:51] <om26er> chandru_in, so you did not even notice the difference
[09:51] <om26er> chandru_in, you dont have to click on each different app now to access it
[09:51] <chandru_in> om26er: What do u mean?
[09:52] <chandru_in> instead I have to click a menu and then the item for  the app!
[09:52] <chandru_in> If the only purpose of indicator applet was to allow starting apps why include sound preferences into it?
[09:55] <drizzt_> which application shows keyboard layout indicator in notification area?
[09:55] <om26er> chandru_in, the previous volume appet only showed volume control, right click to open sound preferences, no button to mute (You had to double click).
[09:55] <chandru_in> It had a mute checkbox when clicked
[09:56] <chandru_in> The same is the case even now except that it is now a button isntead of a checked menu item
[09:56] <chandru_in> Same functionality with same # clicks except that messaging and sound preferences are essentially tied together now!
[09:56] <drizzt_> why that gnome scrubs had dropped layout panel applet?
[09:57] <drizzt_> i have no damned idea where I should report bugs now
[09:57] <om26er> drizzt_, are you a troll
[09:57] <bazhang> !bugs > drizzt_
[09:57] <drizzt_> i don;t know the package name
[09:59] <rayt> hi
[09:59] <om26er> rayt, hello!
[09:59] <chandru_in> Is the indicator panel ubuntu specific or done by Gnome?
[09:59] <rayt> does anyone know how to disable the "bubble help" in the gnome menu in ubuntu lucid?
[10:00] <om26er> chandru_in, purely ubuntu
[10:00] <chandru_in> If you are faimiliar with this addition could you please point me to the discussion which was used to arrive at this decision
[10:01] <chandru_in> Because frankly it feels very under polished
[10:01] <chandru_in> I see no reason why sound preference must be tied with messaging still :(
[10:01] <drizzt_> chandru_in, it was intended to make it look modern and improve new user experience
[10:02] <chandru_in> drizzt_: How?  That's why I wanted to have a look at the discussion which led to this
[10:03] <om26er> chandru_in, why would canonical discuss their internal decissions with you?
[10:04] <om26er> you here means not specificall you (everyone)
[10:04] <chandru_in> om26er: What makes you think that?  I wanted to see the discussion on mailing lists!  Isn't Ubuntu supposed to be built by the community or has it somehow become a Canonical only thing?
[10:05] <chandru_in> Recent decisions (like theme change a day before UI freeze) kinda makes it look like community voice doesn't matter in ubuntu development anyway
[10:06] <om26er> chandru_in, my best guess, nothing you are speaking are your thoughts probably from some blog. (we might be kicked from this channel for offtopic talks)
[10:06] <chandru_in> Not at all
[10:07] <chandru_in> At least not the one related to the indicator applet
[10:07] <chandru_in> I'm struggling with it right now
[10:07] <chandru_in> The theme thing yes was based on blog posts but that's not the main point anyway coz it is changeable
[10:07] <om26er> chandru_in, the changes were made before feature release. but yesterday I got new icons in the memenu
[10:08] <om26er> and also in the messaging menu
[10:08] <chandru_in> I've posted regarding the indicator applet to the mailing list
[10:08] <chandru_in> hope I'd get some explanation there!
[10:08] <om26er> chandru_in, ayatana?
[10:09] <chandru_in> What?
[10:09] <om26er> chandru_in, I meant which mailing list
[10:10] <chandru_in> ubuntu-devel
[10:11] <drizzt_> and terminal window has sick beetroot color... great
[10:11] <gbear14275> so tried to do an upgrade and ran into an error... worried now about how to recover... anyone have any advice? http://paste.ubuntu.com/400477/
[10:11] <chandru_in> drizzt_: That's changeable too
[10:14] <rayt> is it already known that adjusting the brightness using the function keys on a thinkpad crashes the system?
[10:14] <gbear14275> anyone have any advice on how to resume my upgrade?
[10:15] <gbear14275> synaptic is reporting I have broken dependencies and not exactly sure here how to resume/recover...
[10:16] <drizzt_> gbear14275, try to switch off 3rd party repositories
[10:16] <drizzt_> gbear14275, and downgrade conflicting packages
[10:21] <om26er> gbear14275, can you please pastbin the error message?
[10:21] <gbear14275> hmm... looks like I'm pointed at all the lucid repos now...
[10:21] <gbear14275>  http://paste.ubuntu.com/400477/
[10:23] <om26er> gbear14275, no not this. open terminal and type sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade then if you get any error pastebin that
[10:25] <gbear14275> http://paste.ubuntu.com/400489/
[10:27] <nailora> i am running lucid inside vmware (mac os x host system). can i install the the vmware tools bundled with my vmware (thinking about hal removal, upstart replacing init.d ...) or is there something packaged in the repos or any other suggested approach?
[10:28] <gbear14275> om26er: should I force the upgrade?
[10:29] <om26er> gbear14275, pastebin what you see now
[10:29] <gbear14275> om26er: I haven't done anything since the last pastebin
[10:31] <om26er> gbear14275, type sudo apt-get update ;sudo apt-get upgrade in a terminal, it will tell you following packages will be updated it it dont show any package will be removed then you should go with the upgrade
[10:32] <gbear14275> om26er: I already ran sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade and then pastebinned the results (except for the update repo status) and its saying to try -f...  should I force the upgrade?
[10:33] <om26er> gbear14275, you should pastebin that
[10:33] <arand_> gdm -> 2.29.92-0ubuntu5 /me sheds a tear of joy
[10:34] <gbear14275> om26er: I did here it is again http://paste.ubuntu.com/400489/
[10:34] <om26er> woho
[10:35] <gbear14275> ?
[10:35] <om26er> gbear14275, try sudo apt-get -f install and see what it says
[10:35] <om26er> gbear14275, if you have any ppas you should disable them
[10:36] <gbear14275> om26er: looked at my sources.list file and it only has lucid repos
[10:37] <om26er> gbear14275, try apt-get -f install if it dont remove many things
[10:38] <gbear14275> its removing some but not many packages http://paste.ubuntu.com/400492/ om26er
[10:39] <om26er> gbear14275, so you upgraded from karmic?
[10:39] <gbear14275> ye
[10:39] <gbear14275> s
[10:41] <gbear14275> i wonder how botched this is going to be... :-/
[10:41] <gbear14275> i think I've needed to do a fresh install for a while now anyways though
[10:41] <gbear14275> it will be interesting to see if a resumed upgrade works well
[10:44] <gbear14275> most services that use PAM need to be restarted to use...  ...Services to restart for PAM library upgrade: cups cron atd   <- Should I just hit OK?
[10:49] <mino> help me install lucid no start ubiquity
[10:49] <arand_> mino: If you run ubiquity-gtk from terminal, do you get any error messages?
[10:49] <twager> screensavers not running in Kubuntu lucid ?
[10:50] <mino> arand_:  i update system live, my idea
[10:50] <arand_> mino: So you are upgrading from 9.10?
[10:51] <arand_> mino: And you are in 9.10 at the moment?
[10:51] <mino> arand_: no
[10:51] <mino> arand_:  i have clean laptop
[10:53] <arand_> mino: Ok, so you are in the liveCD desktop? can you try that command in a terminal and see what happens?
[10:53] <mino> arand_:  yes dekstop 386
[10:54] <arand_> mino: If you run ubiquity-gtk from terminal, do you get any error messages? (possibly you'll need gksudo with that).
[10:55] <mino> arand_:
[10:55] <mino> arand_:  error line 141
[11:01] <arand_> mino: That's quite a non-verbose error.. hmm, I would assume a bug report on that would be in order, what you could try is "sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude install ubiquity-frontend-gtk ubiquity" and see if the issue is fixed in updates...
[11:01] <arand_> mino: Also, try running "gksudo ubiquity-frontend-gtk", and see if the same happens there..
[11:05] <mino> arand_:  Input/output error
[11:07] <rye> mino, what's printed if you run dmesg?
[11:07] <rye> mino, any I/O errors with the cd drive?
[11:07] <mino> rye:  error squash error
[11:08] <arand_> Hmm, indicating bad CD burn?
[11:08] <mino> arand_:  i burn new cd
[11:09] <arand_> mino: check the md5sums of both the downloaded iso and the burnt CD to make sure that side is ok.
[11:09] <arand_> !md5 | mino
[11:10] <mino> ubottu: i don't use windows from 8 years
[11:11] <mino> sorry i download again this is googd link : http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/ ?
[11:11] <rye> mino, are there any messages about drive read errors? not squash only
[11:12] <rye> mino, and try burning the disk on somehow lower speed, that might be also a problem with some drives/disks
[11:12] <mino> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso is good?
[11:13] <arand_> mino: Yea, that's the relevant CD. Also, it might be that todays build is borked, and installing form the beta CD works.
[11:14] <mino> arand_:  now i test it (beta), now I download current and again install
[11:18] <arand_> mino: if it still doesn't work, the beta CD http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1 has presumably been more well-tested and confirmed to work that the newest build, so possibly it might work better, there's only a few upgrades that separates them anyways, and I think you can even update the installer before installation...
[11:19]  * arand_ is off for now
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> anone care to see if the following command works --> 'man --html=firefox  ls'
[11:32] <hifi> not even on karmic
[11:33] <Machtin> Dr_Willis: man: command exited with status 3: /usr/bin/zsoelim | /usr/lib/man-db/manconv -f UTF-8:ISO-8859-1 -t UTF-8//IGNORE | preconv -e UTF-8 | tbl | groff -mandoc -Thtml
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> Same error im getting
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> It aparently works in 9.XX
[11:34] <Guest83652> hi. how do i install the latest lucid theme in karmic?
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> Its avail at several ubuntu news sites and ppa repos. papul_
[11:34] <papul> hi. how do i install the latest lucid theme in karmic?
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> such as the omgubuntu site. and the webupd8 sites
[11:35] <Dr_Willis> I just removed that theme from my 10.04 machines. :)
[11:35] <Machtin> i wonder why /dev/mapper/home is not mounted.. since it's opened and the entry in the fstab seems to be correct..
[11:35] <vistakiller> why in the last update remove hplip-gui?
[11:36] <papul> i want the default lucid theme
[11:36] <om26er> papul, for karmic?
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> papul:  there are ppa's for them and downloads - mentioned at several web sites.  and proberly the gnome theme sites as well
[11:36] <papul> om26er, yes
[11:37] <om26er> papul, as mentioned above :)
[11:37] <nailora> papul: as Dr_Willis said either install from a ppa or wait for lucid to be released
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> vistakiller:  i see some hp stuff being 'held back' here.
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> The following packages have been kept back:
[11:42] <Dr_Willis>   capplets-data hpijs-ppds hplip-data linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[11:42] <vistakiller> i dont do the last update because i see that removes hplip-gui
[11:42] <vistakiller> maybe will fix it later
[11:42] <vistakiller> just to inform
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> I just ran the updates on 2 machines.. No mention of hplip-gui at all.. lets try a dist-upgrade
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> Now THAT did say
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> The following packages will be REMOVED:
[11:44] <Dr_Willis>   hplip
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> and
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> The following packages will be upgraded:
[11:44] <Dr_Willis>   hplip-data linux-generic linux-headers-generic linux-image-generic
[11:44] <Dr_Willis> so it seems theres been some work done on the hplip
[11:45] <vistakiller> yeah
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> but it may be i dont have the hplip-gui installed.
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> but I do have a HP laser printer. :) and old old old one
[11:47] <vistakiller> i need the gui to manage the printer
[11:49] <Dr_Willis> Now heres somthing interesting.
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> $ sudo apt-get install hplip-gui
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:50] <Dr_Willis>   hplip-gui: Depends: hplip (= 3.10.2-1ubuntu3) but it is not going to be installed
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> and that package has broken deps as well.
[11:50] <Dr_Willis> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[11:50] <Dr_Willis>   hplip: Depends: hplip-data (= 3.10.2-1ubuntu2) but 3.10.2-1ubuntu3 is to be installed
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> seems some Hplip updates are not correct perhaps
[11:52] <vistakiller> yes i think will fix it
[12:05] <vistakiller> will upload the last compiz version in lucid?
[12:06] <Wizzup> Hi. I was wondering what exact stuff ureadahead does to the system. Previously I got it with an upgrade in 9.10. I suddently noticed an increased memory usage after reboot ~512, and barely any speedup. After a few days I figured out it was ureadahead, and I removed it. Bam, memory usage back to normal.
[12:06] <Wizzup> Now I'm using 10.04, and hitting against exactly the same issue
[12:06] <Wizzup> ~512MB*
[12:07] <Wizzup> I just removed it and my memory usage is back to normal... ~512MB less memory in usage
[12:08] <Wizzup> I don't see how it can usage such a massive amount of memory. I also can't find it the process monitor or with other scripts. And I couldn't find a single bug report for it
[12:08] <patdk-wk> that is cause ureadahead doesn't stay running, it quits
[12:08] <patdk-wk> and exactly how are you measuring memory usage?
[12:09] <Wizzup> python scripts, system monitor, etc
[12:09] <Wizzup> they all show about ~600mb for my running apps, but 1.2GB is in use
[12:09] <patdk-wk> what does it show without ureadahead?
[12:09] <Wizzup> correct numbers
[12:09] <patdk-wk> what is *correct*
[12:10] <nailora> Wizzup: are you talking about "real" ram usage or usage as cache?
[12:10] <Wizzup> real memory usage
[12:10] <Wizzup> Correct is... the sum of all running applications (approx.)
[12:10] <patdk-wk> system monitor shows cache usage, not real
[12:11] <patdk-wk> the only thing I can think of is
[12:11] <patdk-wk> that ureadahead is loading the whole file into mem
[12:11] <patdk-wk> whereas you apps only need a part of it
[12:12] <Wizzup> http://paste.pocoo.org/show/193222/ that's from my last session where sysmon showed 1.2 GB. If it shows cache mem as well, you are probably right. But I thought cached mem at least showed up different
[12:12] <Wizzup> Take for example the sysmonitor applet, it shows diff colours for cache and ``real'' in-use mem
[12:12]  * patdk-wk recommends always using free
[12:12] <Wizzup> dark green for in use, light green for cache, at least that's what I assumed
[12:13] <Wizzup> I'll install ureadahead and see.
[12:13] <pmatulis> anyone else experience weird updates today?
[12:13] <hifi> I made my applet to use almost black as cache
[12:13] <hifi> looks a lot better
[12:13] <Dr_Willis> pmatulis:  seems to be some issues with hplip
[12:13] <pmatulis> Dr_Willis: yeah, noticed it wanted to be removed
[12:13] <Wizzup> patdk-wk: Also, if the light green indeed indicates cache, nearly no cache was used on my last session
[12:13] <patdk-wk> I have firefox leaking memory like nuts again :(
[12:14] <bullgard> [Grub2] I changed in /etc/default/grub the line »GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nosplash quiet"« to »GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="nosplash quiet vga=0x340"« and did '~$ sudo update-grub'. The resolution did not change. What went wrong?
[12:14] <pmatulis> Dr_Willis: anyway, i've just had a lot of packages removed (including gnome-panel and ubuntu-desktop)
[12:14] <patdk-wk> wizzup, I can't help you, unless you report numbers using 'free' or '/proc/meminfo'
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> bullgard:  i thought there was a seperate line in the  default/grub file that defined the res. you dont do it via the way you did any more
[12:15] <Dr_Willis> #GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480
[12:15] <Dr_Willis> pmatulis:  ive had very little removed.  Just a few things with Hplip
[12:15] <pmatulis> Dr_Willis: also a lot of indicator-* stuff
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> dident see that
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> lets try the 3rd box and see
[12:18] <rye> anybody found some strange behavior of notifications today? When I hover the mouse over it, that does not make it disappear (nouveau w/o 3d) - it makes it bigger and it does not let clicking through
[12:18] <Wizzup> patdk-wk: I am trying. However, installing ureadahead does not reproduce the problem. I'm not sure if it is being used.
[12:19] <patdk-wk> not till the second boot will it be
[12:19] <Wizzup> i reboot twice now
[12:19] <Wizzup> after installing it, that is
[12:20] <Dr_Willis> 157 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 9 not upgraded.
[12:20] <pmatulis> Dr_Willis: oh well.  thanks
[12:28] <photon> If I install Ubuntu 10.04 beta, will it automatically update/give me the option to update to the stable 10.04 version, or do I have to reinstall the whole thing once the stable release candidate is out?
[12:30] <pmatulis> photon: the former
[12:30] <pmatulis> photon: (software can be upgraded)
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> photon:  faq - :) You can upgrade.
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> I often DO a clean reinstall however.. just to remove the cruft ive installed to 'test' on the beta
[12:31] <BluesKaj> 'morning
[12:33] <pmatulis> morning
[12:33] <photon> Oh I see. Thought so, but wasn't entirely sure, since it's a beta. Unfortunately, I haven't seen any AMD64 versions for the beta :(
[12:33] <photon> morning
[12:33] <pmatulis> photon: i d/l'd a 64-bit ISO a couple of days ago (server and desktop)
[12:34] <gnomefreak> they are there
[12:35] <gnomefreak> photon: http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/
[12:35] <gnomefreak> they are there
[12:41] <StryKaizer> once 10.04 is released, will I be able to upgrade within 9.10, and have exact the same version as a clean 10.04 install?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> StryKaizer: yes
[12:42] <StryKaizer> thx
[12:42] <gnomefreak> exact not really
[12:42] <gnomefreak> but you will have a full system
[12:42] <abhi_nav> why not exat?
[12:42] <gnomefreak> abhi_nav: there is nothing that is exact :)
[12:42] <abhi_nav> gnomefreak: when it wll be released should I fresh install or just upgrade?
[12:42] <abhi_nav> ohh
[12:43] <gnomefreak> abhi_nav: up to you. i do clean installs every ISO release
[12:43] <gnomefreak> but i upgrade on some so maybe not every ISO update
[12:44] <abhi_nav> gnomefreak: ok thankyou I wll fresh install then.
[12:44] <StryKaizer> I'm prolly doing a fresh install too
[12:44] <abhi_nav> yah :)
[12:44] <bullgard> Dr_Willis: How should I modify the line '#GRUB_GFXMODE=640x480' to factor in 'vga=0x=340'?
[12:45] <gnomefreak> fresh install you will have less chance of having problems
[12:46] <bullgard> gnomefreak: Your statement is not true.
[12:46] <abhi_nav> yah
[12:46] <gnomefreak> bullgard: you sure? upgrade can and normally does have issues due to user adding PPAs and such
[12:47] <gnomefreak> or packages not in official archives
[12:47] <gnomefreak> oh and profile problems
[12:47] <bullgard> gnomefreak: A dist-upgrade has less problems in other areas, though.
[12:48] <pmatulis> gnomefreak: that's nonsense.  all packages will be upgraded
[12:48] <gnomefreak> bullgard: in areas yes but clean install is normally safer (dependsing on the user)
[12:48] <gnomefreak> pmatulis: never said the official packages wouldnt be upgraded
[12:48] <StryKaizer> hehe
[12:48] <pmatulis> gnomefreak: 'all' includes PPAs
[12:48] <StryKaizer> I'll backup and upgrade, and see if I need to do a clean install, if I'm not happy with the result ;)
[12:49] <gnomefreak> pmatulis: PPAs cant be upgraded if the lucid packages are not there
[12:49] <Pici> pmatulis: PPAs are unsupported. They do not go through the same testing that packages in the archive do.
[12:49] <bullgard> gnomefreak: Your statement is not generally true. You are right that the truth of your statement depends on the knowledge of the user also.
[12:49] <gnomefreak> and update-manager comments out all unofficial archives
[12:49] <pmatulis> gnomefreak: well ok, if it's a PPA not related to a package in the archives
[12:50] <gnomefreak> pmatulis: same with ddebs repos and any other package built by user or another repo that we dont have
[12:50] <pmatulis> gnomefreak: but if you install, say, a firefox PPA, it *will* be upgraded to the lucid package
[12:51] <gnomefreak> pmatulis: we have Lucid packages there
[12:51] <pmatulis> gnomefreak: bingo
[12:51] <Pici> I wouldn't make any assumptions when it comes to PPAs.
[12:51] <pmatulis> gnomefreak: obviously you cannot upgrade to a package that does not exist
[12:51] <gnomefreak> pmatulis: not everyone uses a bot or keeps up thier PPAs for example the liferea
[12:51] <gnomefreak> PPA
[12:52] <gnomefreak> pmatulis: if the depends changed on a package in PPA and Lucid hasnt been built you are going to have problems
[12:52] <gnomefreak> clean install you dont have to worry about these things
[12:53] <abhi_nav> but does clean installation each after 18 months (not talkin about lts) wll reduce hdd life?
[12:54] <abhi_nav> ?
[12:54] <gnomefreak> abhi_nav: it is user hardware that would fit in there. clean install never removes anything from harddrive but over writes it
[12:55] <abhi_nav> gnomefreak: ddnt get you
[12:55] <pmatulis> abhi_nav: back up your data and upgrade.  if you have problems then re-install and put back your data.  simple
[12:55] <gnomefreak> so yes it can. I have the same hard drive since breezy devel. and i reinstall at least 3 times during dev cycle
[12:55] <abhi_nav> gnomefreak: new clean os install wll format the whole drive so it wll reduce the hdd life?
[12:55] <abhi_nav> pmatulis: talking about health of hdd
[12:55] <gnomefreak> abhi_nav: it over writes not erases completely
[12:56] <abhi_nav> so it is not harmfull to hdd health? gnomefreak? pmatulis?
[12:56] <gnomefreak> abhi_nav: depends on the hard drive and manf specs and recommends
[12:56] <abhi_nav> ohh
[12:56] <gnomefreak> ^^
[12:56] <abhi_nav> :)
[12:57] <gnomefreak> there is a tool (microscope but dont recall name) can read past formated info
[12:58] <gnomefreak> erase compltely == take happer and hit hard drive as hard as you can :)
[12:58] <patdk-wk> hmm, buying a harddrive is harmful to the drives health
[12:58] <gnomefreak> hammer
[12:59] <abhi_nav> ohh :D
[12:59] <abhi_nav> thank you
[12:59] <patdk-wk> if anything else causes your harddrive to reduce life, you need a new drive
[13:00] <Pici> Agreed.
[13:02]  * gnomefreak sick of grub asking things on update
[13:02] <inveratulo> greetings all, has anyone had success installing the Lightning addon to Thunderbird 3 on a 64-bit lucid?
[13:02] <gnomefreak> inveratulo: you cant i havent updated it yet
[13:02] <gnomefreak> waiting for tb dev crap
[13:03] <inveratulo> gnomefreak: oh you're on lightning dev?  good to hear it is known :)
[13:03] <gnomefreak> inveratulo: yes but depending on when tb crap lands will depend if i package it or not
[13:03] <gnomefreak> micah may do it
[13:04]  * gnomefreak was seamonkey/iceape lightning-sunbird since day one in our repos
[13:06] <gnomefreak> mvo: are you around? can we get update-manager to just update grub on the sector its on already instead of asking where
[13:06] <gnomefreak> it asks than you choose all(generally new users dont have a clue) and it fails on all ectep the one its on
[13:14] <mvo> gnomefreak: do you have a bugnumber as reference?
[13:15] <gnomefreak> mvo: im filing it now :) just not sure if i should use dpkg or u-m for the bug
[13:15] <mvo> gnomefreak: please use grub as the target
[13:15] <gnomefreak> k
[13:16] <mvo> gnomefreak: and let me know once its there, I will target it
[13:16] <gnomefreak> mvo: ok thanks
[13:20] <Machtin> kay, why doesn't sleep work? shutdown does.
[13:20] <Machtin> and the sleep-script also works.. just not the button in the k-menu.
[13:22] <gnomefreak> mvo: bug 545989
[13:23] <mvo> thanks gnomefreak
[13:23] <mvo> gnomefreak: is that a common thing? are there dupes of this paricular bug?
[13:23] <gnomefreak> mvo: np thanks for looking at it
[13:24] <gnomefreak> mvo: not that i found but it has been happening since new grub-pc. i asked you when i first ran into it and you said to be safe select all so i do
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak:  i have grub on several of my hard drives. :) so Id have to wonder how it would decided where to install to.
[13:27] <bjwebb> hi
[13:27] <bjwebb> is it possible to upgrade from jaunty to lucid?
[13:27] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: that is more of an advanced set up but should use wher eit is than. but depends on your set up
[13:27] <bjwebb> (directly)
[13:27] <gnomefreak> !upgrade > bjwebb
[13:28] <warriorforgod> !upgrade > warriorforgod
[13:28] <gnomefreak> bjwebb: not advisable to skip releases. better chance of having problems
[13:28] <gnomefreak> mvo: i only see 11 bugs on grub and that is odd alone but nothing close to this bug
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> gnomefreak:  yea. I had on my 'test' upgrade machine. it somehow installed/upgraded the wrong hard drive.   some how the system was booting the wrong hd. i had to  dig a little to get it booting properly.
[13:29] <Dr_Willis> of course the other HD was just a data drive thatused to have linux on it.. so it had an old grub..  Still not sure exaftly what happened.
[13:30] <gnomefreak> most users will turn around and walk away if they have to do something where as Win does everything for you
[13:30]  * gnomefreak wonders why you left grub there
[13:30] <Dimmuxx> any eta on firefox 3.6.2 and how long does it usually take before new firefox versions are in the repos?
[13:30] <gnomefreak> Dimmuxx: hold on a sec
[13:31] <Dimmuxx> okay
[13:31] <gnomefreak> Dimmuxx: it should be in archive soon if not already there.
[13:31] <gnomefreak> im using pre-release and it is pre-release of 3.6.3
[13:32] <gnomefreak> but i will ask Alexander or Micah if i run into them
[13:32] <gnomefreak> Micah is on TB so Alexander should be FF
[13:32] <Dimmuxx> okay thanks
[13:32] <gnomefreak> !firefox
[13:32] <gnomefreak> hm
[13:32] <gnomefreak> im going to have to change that
[13:34] <gnomefreak> !info firefox
[13:34] <Oer> 3.6.3 pre is fine, not affected with that bug, i think.
[13:34] <gnomefreak> what bug?
[13:35] <Dimmuxx> http://www.mozilla.org/security/announce/2010/mfsa2010-08.html
[13:35] <gnomefreak> ok 3.6.2 has landed but we are waiting on nspr/nss to be uploaded
[13:36] <gnomefreak> keep in mind Mozilla as well as us no longer use versioned firefox thunderbird
[13:37] <gnomefreak> "Firefox" == current stable release. bugs will be fixed along the way
[13:37] <Dimmuxx> so lucid will get 3.7+ when it's released?
[13:37] <saxlap> Hmmm... I get two icons of wlan-symbol and battery-symbol... what is up with that?
[13:38] <gnomefreak> Dimmuxx: 3.7 will not be released pre say since there is no major updates anylonger but yes all versionf of supported Ubuntu releases will get updated versions as they land
[13:38] <Pici> gnomefreak: Does that mean that we'll be getting 3.8 in Lucid whenever it gets released?
[13:38] <gnomefreak> yep
[13:39] <Dimmuxx> excellent
[13:39] <Pici> Good, this will get rid of a lot of the confusion and mixed packages that people have had to install in the past.
[13:40] <gnomefreak> Pici: yep
[13:41] <gnomefreak> now 4.0 will be released under the same set up (got rid of major versioning) so 4.0 will be security release along with new features
[13:41] <gnomefreak> same with tb
[13:41] <Pici> Yay!
[13:42] <gnomefreak> be back smoke. there was a blog of 6 on it and i think we set up a page on it, we also have a transional packages in a stable PPA but Lucid no longer needs it. not sure how far back we have gone in Ubuntu releases yet
[13:50] <MTecknology> Where is linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-17-generic ?
[13:51] <MTecknology> linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic: Depends: linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-17-generic which is a virtual package.
[13:52] <MTecknology> I'm hoping back to -16 in hopes that the backports can fix my issue but not really holding any high hopes....
[13:53] <jpds> MTecknology: In NEW probably.
[13:53] <MTecknology> jpds: that'd make sense
[13:54] <om26er> MTecknology, linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic
[13:55] <bpgoldsb> Does anyone know if 10.04 is going to have native Xen support?
[13:55] <jpds> bpgoldsb: Probably not.
[13:55] <BluesKaj> !Xen
[13:55] <shane2peru> ok, with all the updates, my wirelesss worked great out of the box, no configuration, and now is non-existant?
[13:56] <shane2peru> Is this a know problem
[13:56] <MTecknology> om26er: what about it?
[13:58] <BluesKaj> shane2peru, network manager eh ?
[13:58] <MTecknology> hrm... with the backports things seem to be working decent so far...
[13:58] <jpds> MTecknology: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=3&queue_text=linux-backports-modules&start=30
[13:58] <shane2peru> BluesKaj, I'm not sure if it is a network manager problem, or what, but doesn't show up in the notification area either.
[13:59] <shane2peru> BluesKaj, ifconfig -a shows wlan0 as a connection though
[13:59] <MTecknology> jpds: thanks
[13:59] <kklimonda> bpgoldsb: if by native support you mean dom0 kernel than no
[13:59] <BluesKaj> shane2peru, alt + F2 network manager
[13:59] <jpds> MTecknology: So, yeah; binary NEW.
[14:01] <shane2peru> BluesKaj, is it possible that network manager is missing?
[14:01] <BluesKaj> shane2peru, what does  iwconfig , show ?
[14:01] <bpgoldsb> kklimonda: So there's no clean 8.04 -> 10.04 upgrade path?
[14:01] <MTecknology> jpds: Once that's around I'll need to figure out how to use the headers against my custom kernel - could be fun
[14:01] <shane2peru> wlan0     IEEE 802.11bg  ESSID:off/any
[14:01] <shane2peru>           Mode:Managed  Access Point: Not-Associated   Tx-Power=20 dBm
[14:01] <shane2peru>           Retry  long limit:7   RTS thr:off   Fragment thr:off
[14:01] <shane2peru>           Power Management:off  BluesKaj
[14:02] <shane2peru> BluesKaj, so I guess it is being picked up
[14:02] <kklimonda> bpgoldsb: doesn't look like it - you should ask people on #ubuntu-server
[14:02] <bpgoldsb> Alright, thanks!
[14:02] <BluesKaj> shane2peru, I installed wicd on my laptop after nm stopped working , it works well , even with wpa2 .
[14:03] <gnomefreak> Pici: and who ever it was asking about FF here is a little more info on it http://techie-buzz.com/firefox/firefox-3-7-dropped-next-firefox-4-0.html?rel=web_related&utm_source=self&utm_medium=web&utm_campaign=web_related
[14:03] <shane2peru> BluesKaj, yes, I usually use wicd, however I figured for testing purposes, I would try and keep the coonfigurations standard, to help with testing
[14:04] <BluesKaj> shane2peru, well you just ran intoi a common problem with nm , it quits without any obvious reason and it's difficult to track down ...good luck with your testing
[14:06] <shane2peru> BluesKaj, well, I guess that is the end of the road for me, wicd is coming to town!
[14:07] <shane2peru> BluesKaj, they have some real issues with nm that really need fixed, I can't tell you how many times wicd has been recommended to me.
[14:07] <shane2peru> BluesKaj, and not just with the beta/alpha releases, I mean with all the stable releases too.
[14:08] <BluesKaj> shane2peru, heh, some ppl have fixed their probs with nm , I haven't bothered because i seem to get the version without wpa2 options, and that's another mystery i can't be bothered with :)
[14:09] <BluesKaj> shane2peru, yeah i see complaints about nm on #kubuntu/ubuntu every day
[14:12] <bcurtiswx_> hey guys and gals.  Opinion question here.  Who thinks that when starting rhythmbox it should open like it currently does which is minimized to the indicator applet. or should it be opened to the screen first so the user can choose which music to listen to?
[14:15] <om26er> I like the way it is
[14:15] <tgpraveen12> i want to select the music
[14:15] <zubatac> arand: 10, 04 its ok, new .iso
[14:15] <tgpraveen12> first otherwise what will it play
[14:15] <gnomefreak> please move that topic to #ubuntu-offtopic
[14:16] <bcurtiswx_> gnomefreak: my topic?
[14:16] <gnomefreak> yes bcurtiswx_
[14:16] <vish> bcurtiswx_: Bug #270206
[14:17] <bcurtiswx_> vish: ty :D
[14:17] <vish> ;)
[14:17] <bcurtiswx_> gnomefreak: is this not a lucid lynx discussion ?
[14:17] <gnomefreak> bcurtiswx_: opinions are not support related
[14:17] <bcurtiswx_> gnomefreak: the topic says support/discussion
[14:18] <gnomefreak> bcurtiswx_: this is a support chanel please keep it support related. discussion == will Lucid have..... something like that
[14:21] <bcurtiswx_> gnomefreak: i think thats debatable.  Not trying to stir anything tho.  Thanks again vish :D
[14:21] <vish> bcurtiswx_: np..
[14:25] <bcurtiswx_> vish: hundredpapercuts triaged means they've accepted it.. right?
[14:25] <vish> BUGa_carAccident: < whaaaaat?
[14:25] <kklimonda> whoa
[14:25] <bcurtiswx_> BUGabundo!!! no
[14:25] <BUGa_carAccident> :(
[14:25] <bcurtiswx_> everyone cool?
[14:25] <BUGa_carAccident> http://p.bugabundo.net/sometimes-you-are-just-not-that-lucky
[14:25] <killown> hey, what advantages i will have upgrading karmic to lucid?
[14:26] <BUGa_carAccident> vish: kklimonda bcurtiswx_^^^^^^^
[14:26] <bcurtiswx_> Buga_carAccident: if i could only read spanish comments :P
[14:26] <vish> BUGa_carAccident:  hmm , drive safe/r/ man ;p
[14:27] <BUGa_carAccident> sleep, rain, distration
[14:27] <vish> BUGa_carAccident: no harm to you right?
[14:27] <vega> killown: see last link in topic..
[14:27] <bcurtiswx_> BUGa_carAccident: assumed no physical harm to you tho?
[14:27] <BUGa_carAccident> I'm fine. only pride and wallet damage
[14:28] <BUGa_carAccident> thanks for worrying though
[14:28] <kklimonda> BUGa_carAccident: that's good to hear
[14:28] <vish> kklimonda: use the google translate bookmarklet
[14:28] <bcurtiswx_> you mean me?
[14:30] <vish> oh right bcurtiswx_ ;)
[14:34] <BUGa_carAccident> doesn't chrome already offer translation ?
[14:34] <MIOW> hello :) i'm unable to get dual boot for ubuntu 10.04 and windows 7. I installed win 7 first and after installing ubuntu i can't boot into win 7 from grub2. i found a way of repairing win7 boot on the forums http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1437155 but it destroys grub2
[14:35] <MIOW> after i reinstall grub2 it destroys win7 boot again :S
[14:37] <arand> MIOW: let bootmgr chainload grub instead?
[14:38] <arand> MIOW: And report a bug on it.
[14:39] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: when a hundredpapercuts is triaged.. does this mean it's accepted to be fixed?
[14:40] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: yeah , well we accept the bugs that we find as irritating and /need/ to be fixed..
[14:41] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: trivially fixable user irritations == papercuts
[14:41] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: i looked for a wiki page that may explain this with no luck.. is there such one?
[14:41] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: explain what? i didnt understand
[14:42] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PaperCut ?
[14:43] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: sorry i'll try to explain better.  When a reporter feels a bug is a hundredpapercut its set to new.  Then when its accepted to be fixed it goes to triaged and then regular fix-committed/released applies.. but this mindset isn't documented anywhere
[14:43] <bcurtiswx_laptop> as far as I could see in a search.. even on that papercut site
[14:45] <vish> bcurtiswx_laptop: hmm , probably the first person who asked this.. the status is the same as the other bugs , the triaged are the bugs we accept as usability fixes and trivial.. not sure it needs to be documented , seems similar to other projects
[14:46] <vish> usability problems*
[14:46] <MIOW> arand, thank you :) will definitely try that
[14:46] <bcurtiswx_laptop> vish: OK
[14:50] <patdk-wk> hmm, why doesn't the installer let me pick encrypted or lvm drives anymore?
[14:54] <CalmvsKhaos> patdk-lap, where on thie installer did you ever get to choose those? I've must of missed that step
[14:54] <CalmvsKhaos> the*
[14:54] <patdk-wk> I didn't :)
[14:55] <patdk-wk> when I went to manually setup the drives
[14:55] <CalmvsKhaos> ah
[14:55] <patdk-wk> I always had that option on previous versions
[14:55] <CalmvsKhaos> I just let installer pick
[14:55] <patdk-wk> well, I care about my systems, cause I put /var, /boot, /home, /opt, /usr on different disks
[14:56] <CalmvsKhaos> I want to do that some day too, just lazy :)
[14:57] <arand> Oh, look we have restart-required back as an indicator, completely unintuitive and obscurified as a red reboot button with info hidden in the middle of a menu, but still :) Nao can haz update-indicator back awso plz?
[14:58] <running_rabbit07> sounds like too much work. /, /home and swap are plenty, IMHO
[15:00] <CalmvsKhaos> I think I would just do /home on a separate partition
[15:01] <BluesKaj> CalmvsKhaos, because you can or is it faster ?
[15:01] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas keep a  extra /data partition also :) just for special stuff...
[15:01] <patdk-wk> I have my /home split per user
[15:01] <patdk-wk> luks encrypted, and decrypted using user password on login
[15:02] <BluesKaj> never found any benefit to a separate partition for /home
[15:02] <patdk-wk> much perfer that over encfs
[15:02] <jpds> patdk-wk: You know that Ubuntu intregrates eCryptfs to do that automagically?
[15:02] <patdk-wk> idiot admins/users killing your server :)
[15:02] <kklimonda> whoa, ubuntu server 10.04 boots really fast
[15:02] <kklimonda> I love it
[15:02] <patdk-wk> jpds, yes, but only on a file level
[15:03] <patdk-wk> I don't want them to even see files
[15:03] <patdk-wk> I like the large block of stuff
[15:03] <patdk-wk> and you don't know what is actually data, or what is just empty space
[15:04] <patdk-wk> my friend was describing the options his mac gives him to do it
[15:04] <patdk-wk> seems like it has some kind of sparse file block encryption option
[15:08] <kklimonda> Mac way of doing this sucks in my humble opinion
[15:08] <kklimonda> the sparse image can only grow so once in a while you have to shrink it manually and it takes time..
[15:08] <kklimonda> unless they have fixed it?
[15:09] <patdk-wk> dunno
[15:09] <patdk-wk> but still seems better than people figuring out how much space they need before hand
[15:10] <kklimonda> true - but that's why I prefer the ecryptfs solution
[15:10] <patdk-wk> I just don't like letting people know what they should attempt to hack at
[15:10] <patdk-wk> knowing a file has plaintext in it is a good start
[15:12] <kklimonda> patdk-wk: they wouldn't know
[15:12] <kklimonda> ecryptfs also encrypts filenames
[15:12] <patdk-wk> if I remember correctly, the directory structure is intact
[15:12] <patdk-wk> it is not hard to figure out where the firefox page cache or email spool cache are
[15:13] <patdk-wk> just by looking at the dir tree
[15:13] <kklimonda> patdk-wk: that was some time ago - now all names are encrypted
[15:13] <patdk-wk> I'm not talking about names :)
[15:13] <patdk-wk> I'm talking about the tree
[15:14] <patdk-wk> unless all encrypted files are stored in a single directory
[15:14] <patdk-wk> I was pretty sure it used a tree layout based on the normal directory layout
[15:14] <patdk-wk> encryped names don't help to protect the layout
[15:15] <cdE|Woozy> patdk-lap: it still does
[15:16] <patdk-wk> so you know firefox cache will be exactly 4 directories deep, and have a crapload of files
[15:17] <kklimonda> patdk-wk: true but attacker would need quite a lot of computing power to decrypt files and if you piss someone who has that much power he can as well break your legs and shoot knees ;)
[15:17] <patdk-wk> in that case, why encrypt at all? :)
[15:18] <patdk-wk> he doesn't need that much computing power to break knees
[15:18] <patdk-wk> legs
[15:18] <patdk-wk> but if we forget the encryption options
[15:18] <patdk-wk> lvm is totally missing from the installer menu
[15:18] <patdk-wk> and I use it on most of my systems
[15:19] <kklimonda> patdk-wk: well, you can encrypt your files so if your laptop is stolen you don't have to change passwords to all services in hurry
[15:19] <psusi> afaik mac lets you create an encrypted disk image then loopback mount it
[15:19] <CalmvsKhaos> Would anyone know how i could make this a bash script? http://paste.ubuntu.com/400590/
[15:21] <psusi> patdk-wk: from the livecd?  yes... use alternate for menu driven raid or lvm setup
[15:21] <cnd_> sooo... what do I do when "update-manager -d" dies in the middle of upgrading to lucid?
[15:21] <psusi> cnd_: run it again?
[15:21] <mvo> cnd_: a bugreport with the logs in /var/log/dist-upgrade/*
[15:22] <mvo> cnd_: and the crash file from /var/crash please
[15:22] <cnd_> so it's safe to run again?
[15:22] <mvo> cnd_: what is the error?
[15:22] <mvo> cnd_: or did it just disappear?
[15:22] <arand> cnd_: Did it die during downloading or installing?
[15:23] <cnd_> it died during package upgrade/installation, it just disappeared, there's a traceback in the terminal ending with "AttributeError: 'webkit.WebView' object has no attribute 'get_load_status'"
[15:23] <cnd_> for example, empathy is dead because libempathy-gtk no longer exists
[15:24] <cnd_> so the system state is definitely hosed right now
[15:24] <leagris> Hellow, What is the state of SSD trim command support with kernel+ext4+jfs+btrfs?
[15:24] <mvo> cnd_: this is a upgrade from karmic?
[15:24] <cnd_> mvo: yes
[15:26] <kklimonda> cnd_: what is the version of update-manager ?
[15:26] <kklimonda> apt-cache policy update-manager
[15:26] <mvo> cnd_: thanks, fixing now, I think I know what bug it is
[15:26] <mvo> cnd_: please run "sudo dpkg --configure -a" and "sudo apt-get install -f" to get it back into shape
[15:27] <cnd_> kklimonda, 1:0.126.9
[15:27] <cnd_> mvo: will do, thanks
[15:28] <cnd_> mvo: after that's done, will I be upgraded to lucid?
[15:28] <cnd_> or do I need to rerun update-manager?
[15:28] <MTecknology> apparently wlan0 is now n ethernet device.........
[15:28] <arand> Removal of devicekit-disks, libparted-2.1-0, libparted1.8-12 is sane?
[15:29] <mvo> cnd_: best is to set your sources.list back to karmic and re-run update-manager, but wait a little bit until the bug is fixed
[15:30] <cnd_> mvo: so vim :%s/lucid/karmic/g in /etc/sources*, and then wait for some package to be upgraded, then rerun update-manager?
[15:30] <cnd_> do I wait for a fix in update-manager itself, or in some other package?
[15:30] <sebsebseb> Hi
[15:31] <mvo> cnd_: the fix will come with the next update-manager upload, so until its build+published ~2h or so
[15:31] <pmatulis> mvo: for what it's worth, this morning an update removed a lot of packages, from what i can see, most were due to gnome-panel, ubuntu-desktop, and hplip being removed
[15:31] <mvo> cnd_: does lsb_release -a still report karmic?
[15:31] <pmatulis> mvo: i just re-installed those
[15:31] <mvo> pmatulis: oh, could you please mail me the logs? that sounds like a bug in the logic that should prevent this
[15:31] <cnd_> mvo: says lucid now
[15:31] <mvo> pmatulis: that was a karmic->lucid upgrade?
[15:32] <pmatulis> mvo: no, i've been on lucid for a while now
[15:32] <mvo> cnd_: ok, in this case it will not offer the full upgrade, you can downgrade the lsb-release package or simply let "sudo apt-get install -f ; sudo apt-get dist-upgrade" do its job, downgrade will be closer to the real upgrade experience though
[15:33] <mvo> pmatulis: it should have written a log in /var/log/dist-upgrade/apt.log I think, could you check if that has a matching time and mail it to me please?
[15:33] <cnd_> mvo: I don't care about experience or anything, I just need a working lucid system
[15:34] <cnd_> mvo: is that as simple as "apt-get dist-upgrade" at this point?
[15:34] <mvo> cnd_: yes
[15:34] <mvo> cnd_: to be certain also run "sudo apt-get install ubuntu-desktop" afterwards
[15:34] <arand> And
[15:34] <cnd_> mvo: thanks
[15:35] <pmatulis> mvo: why dist-upgrade?  thought was was for a... dist. upgrade
[15:36] <mvo> pmatulis: well, yeah, this is what we need in this case, he is probably in a limbo state, some packages upgraded already, some not (because of the crash)
[15:36] <mvo> pmatulis: the difference is really just that upgrade will not remove anything and dist-upgrade may remove stuff, so its safer to run upgrade
[15:37] <arand> ...Bug #437429 is _Fixed_ \o/
[15:37] <Pici> woo
[15:38] <pmatulis> mvo: no, timestamps don't show any recent changes to that file
[15:39] <pmatulis> mvo: anyway, will send you what i have
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> Theres not really a good tool to  configure the noprmal system sounds either.
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> I find the default startup sounds way tooooo looooooooonnnnngggggg....
[15:44] <arand> Dr_Willis: Yea, there it's still all-or-null, where in my opinion, null is infinitely more preferable.
[15:44] <freckle> hi, just upgraded to 10.04 and now when i reboot I am dropped to command line, any ideas?
[15:45] <psusi> freckle: can you be a little more vague? :)
[15:48] <freckle> sure , I clicked on the upgrade from update-maanger -d and went through the update to Lucid Lynx, after the system rebooted it did not start X and went straight to a console based login
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> wow that  https://launchpad.net/bugs/437429
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> has a lloooooooonggg list of  comments.. :)
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> heh
[15:48] <Dr_Willis> I dont see any 'fix' released.. just a work around on how to set it.. but im only 1/4 the way through the messages
[15:50] <Dr_Willis> a simple  and not too loud 'ding dong' :) or somthing would be  a good  idea id think
[15:53] <ccmonster> hey guys.
[15:53] <ccmonster> having issues with a lamp-server^ install on 10.04. Any help would be appreciated.
[15:53] <wolter> if i install the noveau driver (theoretically with the kms for the plymouth boot screen) having the propietary installed already, would the blob need to be removed?
[15:54] <lifestream> I read the Partial Uprade @ UF. It advises to hold off upgrading when apt-get wants to do a partial upgrade that will remove packages. However, I have a partial upgrade available "136 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded".  No packages will be removed. So it's ok to upgrade,right>?
[15:55] <lifestream> #kubuntu+1
[15:55] <lifestream> oops
[15:55] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. here we go ->
[15:55] <Dr_Willis> sound-theme-freedesktop - freedesktop.org sound theme
[15:56] <Dr_Willis> A Not as nasty startup sound perhaps.
[15:58] <BoondoKLife> lifestream: That is really up to you, if it is a production machine then I would say not, but then again I would not run a beta on production.
[15:59] <lifestream> Not production, but dont really want to mess it up either. I'll give it a try anyway ;p Thanks
[16:00] <ccmonster> When i hit .php pages on my lamp install in lucid, the browser prompts me to download a .phtml file. Any help overcoming this?
[16:00] <BoondoKLife> lifestream: I have a fun box that I do things like that on myself. Normally if there is a real issue it is fixed quickly.
[16:01] <lucian_> in lucid, is there another way to install the nvidia proprietary drivers besides jockey?
[16:01] <ccmonster> However, when i make a phpinfo.php page, it renderes fine.
[16:01] <wolter> lucian_, yes, but they can cause serious troube
[16:01] <wolter> trouble*
[16:02] <wolter> i think its envy or something like that
[16:02] <cnd> ugh... today is just not my day, apt-get dist-upgrade failed on qemu-common cause some files conflict with qemu-kvm
[16:02] <cnd> what's the best way to fix this issue during an upgrade from karmic->lucid
[16:02] <arand> lucian_: Or simply install nvidia-current, I think
[16:02] <yofel> just installing the nvidia-current package won't blacklist nouveau
[16:03] <lucian_> not installing right through jockey for the time being
[16:03] <yofel> jockey does that afaik
[16:03] <ekkon> I'm going to do a port of IE6 for linux.
[16:03] <ekkon> Right now.
[16:03] <lifestream> Nooooo
[16:04] <ekkon> I'll put the firefox icon onto it and spread it all over the internet
[16:04] <yofel> cnd: you should usually upgrade using update-manager or do-release-upgrade
[16:04] <ekkon> Then everybody has IE6 and you are DOOMED
[16:04] <arand> ekkon: ie4linux already has right?
[16:04] <lucian_> isn't ie6 an activeX virus?
[16:04] <yofel> cnd: but if you get overwrite conflict message from dpkg, file a bug
[16:04] <yofel> *messages
[16:04] <cnd> yofel: I have to do dist-upgrade because update-manager died during upgrade
[16:04] <ekkon> arand: I doubt ie4linux managed to port all bugs correctly
[16:04] <cnd> so my system is in an unstable state right now
[16:05] <cnd> I have to get it upgraded all the way to lucid before I worry about anything else
[16:05] <yofel> cnd: oh, then file a bug against the package that wants to overwrite something (the newer one)
[16:05] <cnd> yofel: yes, I will, but before I do that I have to get past this issue
[16:05] <yofel> cnd: and use dpkg to remove the older package before you continue
[16:06] <yofel> cnd: something like 'sudo dpkg --remove --force-depends <pkgname>'
[16:08] <ccmonster> is there a reason why a lamp-server^ install on lucid has an unconfigured conf file?
[16:08] <ccmonster> the previous versions always were fine right out of the box (after install)
[16:10] <guntbert> ccmonster: is "being beta" reason enough?
[16:12] <ccmonster> Possibly. But odd they would change something that's likely not going to change on release.
[16:13] <lucian_> lovely, nvidia failed to load the kernel module again
[16:14] <BUGa_CarAccident> ekkon: FYI you can't put FF icon. Mozilla will SUE
[16:17] <Kwpolska> hi.
[16:26] <ZykoticK9> ccmonster, when you say "lamp-server" do you mean you installed apache2 from the Ubuntu repo OR are you using home 3rd party installation?
[16:26] <ZykoticK9> s/home/some
[16:30] <ccmonster> i did a sudo apt-get install lamp-server^
[16:31] <ZykoticK9> !info lamp-server
[16:31] <ZykoticK9> ccmonster, you must have a 3rd party repo on your system then.
[16:32] <Bittarman> lol
[16:33] <Bittarman> LAMP = Linux, Apache, Mysql, Php. You just told a linux system to install linux 0.o
[16:33] <ccmonster> lol Bittarman, when u put it like that, yes.
[16:34] <Bittarman> I don't think youll ever find an official package called "lamp"
[16:34] <ccmonster> lol
[16:34] <Pici> lamp-server is a valid task in tasksel.
[16:34] <ccmonster> yes. it is
[16:34] <Bittarman> if you do, the vendor needs his head read
[16:38] <BoondoKLife> I love redundancy like that Smiles at an old window NT disc, "Built on NT technology" = "Built on New Technology Technology"
[16:39] <znh> Heh. That's.. marketing or something
[16:44] <red> Reminds me of CSI episode where a woman says "I'll create a GUI interface with visual basic, see if I can track an IP address"
[16:45] <red> yo, i'll make a graphical user interface interface!
[16:45] <Zeelot3k> hey guys, I've installed 10.04 beta1 but the fonts look horrible (seems like no AA), what setting do I need to change for that? I've never had to change anything before in order to make fonts render properly
[16:45] <sulle> When i am trying to sign the code of conduct. What passphrase am i supposed to type in?.
[16:45] <red> Zeelot3k: system / preferences / appearance / fonts
[16:45] <red> from the top menu
[16:46] <red> you can choose which font rendering to use
[16:46] <Zeelot3k> I've been there and there doesn't seem to be anything that looks good
[16:46] <tom__> anyone know how to get sound to work in ubuntu 10.04
[16:46] <Zeelot3k> red: it's exactly how it is on my current machine (mint-8) and looks nothing like it though
[16:47] <red> i don't know how else to help, sorry :/
[16:47] <Zeelot3k> alright =(
[16:47] <Zeelot3k> it's not a video driver issue by any chance? why doesn't the ATI proprietary driver show up in the hardware driver app?
[16:51] <ZykoticK9> Zeelot3k, see point 2 in Known Issues at http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1#Known%20issues
[16:51] <Zeelot3k> ah
[16:51] <Zeelot3k> I did notice the open source drivers actually work nicely now
[16:52] <Zeelot3k> ZykoticK9: but could that be why my fonts are rendering so horribly?
[16:52] <patdk-wk> sound seems to work perfectly here
[16:52] <Zeelot3k> the OS feels much nicer with the open source drivers though, windows actually maximize normally
[16:53] <ZykoticK9> Zeelot3k, i doubt the font issues is related - maybe?  I was just addressing your "why doesn't the ATI proprietary driver show up in" Jockey part.
[16:54] <Zeelot3k> ZykoticK9: alright, thanks
[17:06] <cnd> so I have two ubuntu partitions, and both think they are the grub boot partition
[17:06] <cnd> right now, my lucid testing partition is the one that is read for grub.cfg
[17:06] <cnd> how do I switch that to my (previously karmic) new lucid partition?
[17:08] <straterra> I don't need any help with Lucid, but I was told to come here..
[17:09] <Ian_Corne> you'll need to explain your problem first
[17:09] <straterra> I have an issue with 9.10 that's fixed in Lucid and was wondering if it would get backported..or if I could use the Lucid package.
[17:09] <straterra> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/518582
[17:09] <straterra> I have the bug exhibited there
[17:09] <patdk-wk> psusi, anything on the defrag? :)
[17:09] <ZykoticK9> straterra, sorry when you said "It's in Lucid" i figured you where using Lucid - sorry
[17:10] <straterra> The fix is in Lucid
[17:10] <ZykoticK9> straterra, ahh - ya you need the regular #ubuntu channel
[17:10] <straterra> No one there can help me either
[17:11] <mfraz74> have you submitted a backport request?
[17:12] <straterra> No..I guess I just assumed a bug that effects 1 out of every 16k was severe enough to be backported..
[17:14] <straterra> Where is this backport request procedure?
[17:14] <ZykoticK9> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports
[17:20] <alex_mayorga> just got "gnome-screensaver-gl-helper crashed with SIGSEGV in _fini()" what do I do with it?
[17:20] <znh> Hello
[17:20] <znh> I just ran a upgrade from 9.10 to lucid and I think it failed
[17:20] <alex_mayorga> the reporter found a bunch of invalids with similar signature
[17:23] <znh> update manager claims that it cannot see all updates an propose an partial upgrade. This however fails with the message, cannot upgrade from lucid to karmic
[17:24] <znh> apt-get -f install seems to do something now...
[17:24] <BUGa_CarAccident> znh: DON'T force upgrades
[17:24] <BUGa_CarAccident> unless you really know what you are doing
[17:25]  * patdk-wk knows :)
[17:25] <BUGa_CarAccident> znh: $ sudo aptitude safe-upgrade is much better
[17:25] <patdk-wk> breaking the system, so he can reinstall it :)
[17:25] <alex_mayorga> BUGa_CarAccident: did you crash?
[17:25] <BUGa_CarAccident> you can try $ sudo aptitude full.-upgrade and see the conflits and decide
[17:25] <BUGa_CarAccident> alex_mayorga: sorta
[17:26] <BUGa_CarAccident> alex_mayorga: http://p.bugabundo.net/sometimes-you-are-just-not-that-lucky
[17:27] <seangoudy> I need help. cannot update. no space available. How do I expand memory?
[17:28] <cnd> ok, I just got all upgraded to lucid, but I'm missing the "Me Menu"
[17:28] <cnd> how do I get that?
[17:28] <DGMurdockIII> hi
[17:28] <psusi> patdk-wk: eh?
[17:29] <patdk-wk> how is defrag coming?
[17:29] <patdk-wk> got my lucid system setup
[17:29] <DGMurdockIII> is there any way to to do a upgrade to the beta from ubuntu 9.10?
[17:30] <mfraz74> doesn't it say on the ubuntu beta website?
[17:30] <psusi> patdk-wk: got it working with the larger inodes last night.... still need to tackle some of the other features in ext4... the toughest one should be extents
[17:31] <patdk-wk> ya, I'm thinking switching my mythtv system to use ext4 extents would be a good thing :)
[17:31] <yofel> DGMurdockIII: sure, run 'gksu update-manager -d' and it will show lucid as available
[17:31] <DGMurdockIII> ok thanks
[17:31] <mfraz74> think there is if you're using kubuntu, but not sure about ubuntu - perhaps you have to go to 9.10 first
[17:31] <yofel> DGMurdockIII: remember to make backups for important data before that
[17:32] <yofel> DGMurdockIII: and don't rely on lucid for anything ;)
[17:32] <DGMurdockIII> ii dont use ubuntu for much
[17:32] <znh> yeah.. Keep in mind that it will likely turn your system into crap
[17:32] <DGMurdockIII> i many use windows
[17:32] <DGMurdockIII> it a dual boot systam
[17:33] <patdk-wk> it could very well trash windows on that system
[17:33] <patdk-wk> shouldn't, but possible :)
[17:33] <yofel> patdk-wk: and lucid still has no e4defrag
[17:33] <mfraz74> i would love to trash windows
[17:33] <patdk-wk> yofel, heh?
[17:33] <yofel> patdk-wk: the ext4 developers are working on it from time to time, but it's just not important to them
[17:34] <DGMurdockIII> do i tryp gksu update-manager -d in the consoal
[17:34] <h00k> ZykoticK9: I just happened to find your site, clicked "about" and there you are.  *thumbsup*
[17:34]  * patdk-wk has no idea what yofel is talking about
[17:34] <znh> DGMurdockIII, yep.
[17:34] <yofel> patdk-wk: you were asking "<patdk-wk> how is defrag coming?"
[17:34] <patdk-wk> yofel, in response to psusi
[17:35] <yofel> ah, sry then ^^
[17:35] <DGMurdockIII> thanks
[17:36] <znh> uhm, are there any fun Ubuntu blogs? about it's progress and everything
[17:36] <BUGa_CarAccident> znh: lots
[17:36] <BUGa_CarAccident> voices.canonical.com
[17:36] <BUGa_CarAccident> is a nice place
[17:36] <BUGa_CarAccident> planet.ubuntu.com
[17:37] <yofel> or http://www.ubunturoot.com/
[17:37] <patdk-wk> I wish planet.ubuntu.com had more useful info
[17:37] <patdk-wk> it's just a stream of peoples personal lives :( don't care much
[17:38] <BUGa_CarAccident> patdk I'm of the opinion planets should only stream tagged popsts
[17:38] <BUGa_CarAccident> posts
[17:38] <psusi> yea, e4defrag seems like it won't be done before we're all using btrfs anyhow, which is why I'm resurrecting e2defrag
[17:39] <mfraz74> how about omgubuntu.co.uk
[17:40] <jpds> BUGa_CarAccident: $ grep ubuntu ubuntu/planet-ubuntu/main/config.ini| wc -l
[17:40] <jpds> 159
[17:40] <BUGa_CarAccident> :)
[17:40] <DGMurdockIII> when i do the command it try to run a brute force on password
[17:40] <BUGa_CarAccident> no wonder I stop reading my greader planets tag
[17:42] <BUGa_CarAccident> humm actually its not that big: 2168 ubnread items
[17:43] <guntbert> !ot | BUGa_CarAccident
[17:44] <myk_robinson> evening, all. I am running Windows XP inside VirtualBox PUEL on an Ubuntu 10.04 Beta 1 host. Anyone able to get USB support running in VB on Lucid yet?
[17:45] <BUGa_CarAccident> myk_robinson: VB from archive or SUN?
[17:45] <myk_robinson> from Sun
[17:45] <BUGa_CarAccident> cause OSE doesn't have USB support
[17:45] <BUGa_CarAccident> are you sure??
[17:46] <myk_robinson> have Guest Additions installed as well
[17:46] <myk_robinson> I'm sure, just downloaded it yesterday and installed the .deb manually
[17:46] <patdk-wk> what version is it?
[17:46] <mfraz74> any reasons why pitivi is a default app in UNR 10.04?
[17:47] <myk_robinson> its version 3.1.4 r57640
[17:47] <cnd> mvo: I've gotten upgraded to lucid, but I'm not sure everything worked right
[17:48] <cnd> some of the new lucid packages are missing, like rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store and indicator-me
[17:48] <cnd> is there something extra I need to do to get new packages?
[17:49] <ZykoticK9> h00k, thanks man (the site is crappy...)
[17:49] <mfraz74> have you done an update?
[17:50] <cnd> (I also tried apt-get install ubuntu-desktop, but it was already installed)
[17:50] <myk_robinson> looks like running "sudo hald --daemon=no" allows VB to use USB
[18:04] <h00k> ZykoticK9: it works. I was going to try your X-Plane instructions, but I'm wary of using the getlibs
[18:04] <h00k> ZykoticK9: for Lucid
[18:04] <sqwertle> I'm having this problem when I try to run codeblocks, http://paste.ubuntu.com/400691/ , any idea?
[18:15] <kklimonda> sqwertle: try deleting this default.conf file? it looks empty
[18:17] <mvo> cnd: you can try apt-get install --fix-policy that will give you your missing recommends
[18:17] <mvo> or should
[18:18] <DarkTao> hi everyone, does anyone know whats happening with Plymouth on nVidia hardware?
[18:18] <DarkTao> I get a purple load screen with blocky text saying Ubuntu 10.04 with parts of text as certain things load, almost like watching a verbose boot... no sexy loadings :(
[18:19] <bjsnider> that's because the nvidia blob has no kms driver
[18:19] <_lemsx1_> I'm using Ubuntu Lucid on a mobile device (OQO). it's crashing at boot. how do i turn off plymouth ?
[18:19] <bjsnider> you'd have to use nouveau for that
[18:19] <cnd> mvo: what exactly does --fix-policy do? there's nothing about it in man apt-get
[18:19] <DarkTao> wasnt there supposed to be a module that fixed it for proprietary drivers?
[18:19] <cnd> it's about to install a bunch of packages on my system, so I want to be sure it's a "good thing"
[18:20] <DarkTao> vgafb16?
[18:20] <cnd> DarkTao: yeah, I think vga16fb can cause the same symtpoms
[18:20] <cnd> you can blacklist it through /etc/modprobe.d
[18:20] <DarkTao> cnd, meh, so no sexyness for nVidia users then?
[18:20] <DanaG> what I do when I have binary drivers: I use "uvesafb"
[18:21] <cnd> DarkTao: honestly, my computer boots so fast I never see plymouth...
[18:21] <mvo> cnd: it looks at what packages have missing recommends basicly, if the list looks sane it should be fine
[18:21] <DarkTao> cnd, well just amazes me Canonical are feeding these things in and it only works on 2 of 3 gfx vendor cards
[18:21] <DGMurdockIII> when doing the upgrade how long dose it take to calcuate the changes?
[18:22]  * gnomefreak has no issue with nvidia+plymouth
[18:22] <_lemsx1_> does booting into single user mode disables plymouth ?
[18:22] <gnomefreak> cnd: it will grab the missing recommends
[18:22] <cnd> DarkTao: it works fine if you want to use the open source nouveau driver (and perhaps blacklist vga16fb, which is a bug we need to work on)
[18:22] <cnd> gnomefreak: mvo: thanks
[18:22] <DanaG> Gdk-ERROR **: The program 'gnome-settings-daemon' received an X Window System error.
[18:22] <DanaG> This probably reflects a bug in the program.
[18:22] <DanaG> The error was 'BadMatch (invalid parameter attributes)'.
[18:22] <DarkTao> _lemsx1_, didnt realise you could disable it? it has superseded usplash?
[18:22] <gnomefreak> DarkTao: yes
[18:22] <DarkTao> cnd, if I use that, then I cant enable desktop effects
[18:23] <cnd> _lemsx1_: single user mode will not use plymouth during that boot
[18:23] <_lemsx1_> DarkTao: uh? yes, Plymouth is the graphic boot provider. i can't disable it. it seems
[18:23] <_lemsx1_> cnd: thanks... then my problem is elsewhere
[18:23] <DanaG> I had to actually BREAK vga16fb to get it to stop blocking my radeon KMS from working.
[18:23] <DanaG> break as in adding a kernel parameter: "vga16fb.DoNotWant=1".
[18:24] <_lemsx1_> I'm doing cmdline args "single init=/bin/sh" now
[18:24] <gnomefreak> _lemsx1_: disable no but blacklist and/or remove you can
[18:24] <cnd> DarkTao: correct, but Canonical didn't make the nvidia drivers, so they can't tell them to put kms in
[18:24] <DanaG> Merely blacklisting it didn't work for the compiled-in driver.
[18:24] <cousteau> so I tried to install a program today connected to a wifi, and the hash sum mismatched. I tried again twice and it finally worked. Would it be possible to add a "Retry" option to apt after a download mismatches?
[18:24] <DarkTao> cnd, ergo... canonical are breaking 2 features of the desktop system they've made
[18:24] <cnd> DarkTao: what have they broken?
[18:24] <DarkTao> cnd, either have a seamless bootup experience which is what they're trying to accomplish, with no compiz, which is built in
[18:25] <BoondoKLife> Why was the measurement of files changed form 1024 to 1000? Is there a real benefit to anyone?
[18:25] <cousteau> also, check them just after downloading them, so you save time if a download failed
[18:25] <_lemsx1_> no luck... after init-bottom it simply stops
[18:25] <DarkTao> cnd, or have a fudged boot up (that looks even worse than usplash) and have compiz
[18:25] <gnomefreak> cousteau: apt you need to use apt-get update and than try again. synaptic already has a refresh option and IIRC so does smartpm
[18:25] <_lemsx1_> oh, but i do have a shell! no prompt
[18:26] <_lemsx1_> goodness...
[18:26] <gnomefreak> cousteau: there is an option to check but not install or download IIRC
[18:26] <cnd> DarkTao: again, it's proprietary drivers that canonical doesn't support, and can't support
[18:26] <DarkTao> cnd: i'll be right back, just testing something... going to remove nvidia blob and use noveau, it may sort out the gnome-panel load times
[18:27] <cnd> DarkTao: I'm very happy with nouveau myself
[18:27] <DarkTao> cnd: i just like my wobbly windows :'(
[18:27] <cnd> DarkTao: as a data point, nvidia suspend resume takes 10 s total just for the graphics drivers
[18:27] <cousteau> gnomefreak: anyway, after running `sudo aptitude install qucs` it finally worked
[18:27] <cnd> nouveau takes < 400 ms
[18:28] <cnd> so yes, you've lost desktop shadows and wobbles, but for me I'm much happier with nouveau
[18:28] <DarkTao> cnd: also my Docky will break, which requires compositing
[18:28] <cnd> with out of the box multimonitor support through xrandr
[18:28] <BoondoKLife> cnd: you can get the shadows back using metacity compositing
[18:28] <DarkTao> BoondoKLife, which is utter rubbish
[18:28] <gnomefreak> IIRC the upstream installer is broken let me see if i can find it
[18:28] <cousteau> cnd: nouveau doesn't have 3D afaik, or is unsupported, am I right?
[18:28] <cnd> BoondoKLife: is that software graphics?
[18:28] <BoondoKLife> DarkTao: Also gnome-do and docky run fine with that too
[18:28] <DanaG> For me, fglrx suspend/resume sometimes takes anywhere from 5 to INFINITY minutes.
[18:29] <DarkTao> BoondoKLife, moving windows gives you about 2fps... its like running Crysis on a Speak and Spell
[18:29] <cnd> cousteau: correct, unsupported 3d that I haven't been able to get working
[18:29] <DanaG> sO, I just use the open-source ATI, instead.
[18:29] <BoondoKLife> cnd: That is the the window manager. I use it one my boxes and dont have an issue.
[18:29] <cousteau> (that's what I saw on their page)
[18:29] <cnd> cousteau: but phoronix has been able to, so it's possible on some hardware
[18:29] <cousteau> and it means no openGL
[18:29] <BoondoKLife> DarkTao: Not in my case, moving windows is fine
[18:29] <cnd> BoondoKLife: you use it with nouveau?
[18:30] <gnomefreak> DarkTao: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1#Known%20issues
[18:30] <BoondoKLife> cnd: Yup
[18:30] <cousteau> well, not exactly unsupported, but experimental, iirc
[18:30] <gnomefreak> nvidia^^
[18:30] <jo-erlend> in the MeMenu, it's possible to write messages to your microblogging accounts, but I
[18:30] <cnd> cousteau: the nouveau wiki says unsupported
[18:30] <jo-erlend> I'm only able to send to facebook. What am I doing wrong?
[18:30] <BoondoKLife> cnd: Only downside is conky casts a shadow, but o well
[18:30] <DarkTao> gnomefreak, why link me that? O.o
[18:30] <gnomefreak> DarkTao: nvidia issues are on there
[18:30] <cousteau> ok, then I recalled incorrectly
[18:31] <DarkTao> gnomefreak, one of them, which isnt applicable
[18:31] <DanaG> I tried nouveau on a gf6100, and it went like 0.5 fps (and then froze) when moving a window.
[18:31] <cousteau> "But you can read GalliumHowto  in case you are brave enough."
[18:31] <gnomefreak> DarkTao: did you try one of the other 2 drivers?
[18:31] <DarkTao> DanaG, does the same to me on a 7950GT
[18:31] <DarkTao> gnomefreak, we're discussing noveau and metacity compositing
[18:32] <gnomefreak> good luck with that ;)
[18:32] <DarkTao> gnomefreak, exactly my point ;)
[18:32] <_lemsx1_> i think i found it. kernel panic!
[18:32] <_lemsx1_> f* me
[18:32] <DanaG> heh, I read that as f-star me.
[18:32] <cnd> IMHO, nouveau's features more than make up for lack of 3D when you compare it to nvidia
[18:33] <cnd> but I understand that my usage scenario is different from others
[18:33] <DanaG> heh, especially compared to legacy (96) drivers.
[18:33] <cnd> and it may be the other way around for some
[18:33] <_lemsx1_> DanaG: yeah, this is a family place. so your mind is in the right mode :-)
[18:33] <DarkTao> cnd, I like eyecandy :(
[18:33] <DanaG> The nvidia 96 driver seems to have only one feature: segfault the X server.
[18:33] <DanaG> And every year, they update it to segfault NEW X servers!
[18:34] <DarkTao> DanaG, it also reportedly creates a wormhole to 1867
[18:34] <DanaG> BWAHAHAHAHA
[18:34] <BoondoKLife> DarkTao: Hmm if that is the case let me grab a sports compendium and go back in time right quick.
[18:35] <russ5811> i've recently upgraded to 10.04 64bit. I cannot get flash to work. i've tried to do it manually and with scripts. I've uninstalled and reinstalled ubuntu restricted extras. can someone help?
[18:36] <cousteau> DanaG: well, that's the problem with new X servers, people on Nvidia have to make a new driver for them
[18:37] <platius> russ5811,   http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html    there are install insturctions in the link to the release notes
[18:37] <DarkTao> BoondoKLife, I did that in KDE, i created a network wormhole but all the files the other end were from 1985
[18:37] <DarkTao> D
[18:37] <DarkTao> BoondoKLife, malfunctioning flux capacitor I think
[18:37] <russ5811> platius, i'll try it again. thanks for the link.
[18:37] <cousteau> (and that driver is normally not included in the ubuntu version with that server, so I ended up installing the driver manually)
[18:37] <BoondoKLife> DarkTao: Gawd, that had to have sucked. no pun intended!
[18:38] <BoondoKLife> DarkTao: Im getting a lag time of about 25 years here.... WOW
[18:39] <platius> russ5811,  basicly you uninstall any falah stuff, the put the downloaded *.so file in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[18:39] <platius> flash#
[18:39] <_lemsx1_> in lucid, what event from upstart changes the screen before /etc/rcS.d is exec?
[18:40] <russ5811> ok, platius, i'm back to where i started. let me ask you a clarifying question. I've got the following folder: home/.mozilla/plugins with the .so file
[18:40] <russ5811> is that wrong?
[18:40]  * cousteau has a subdirectory in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins to store several flash plugins, and switches them frequently
[18:40]  * BoondoKLife must be lucky, never has had all these flash issues.
[18:41] <platius> russ5811,   I did that /home b4 but it works well just installing it in the /usr... location sudo cp it to the dir
[18:41] <russ5811> ok. i'll give it a shot.
[18:41] <russ5811> thx
[18:42] <platius> russ5811,   remove any flash stuff you already have installed 1st
[18:42] <cousteau> BoondoKLife: I use 32 bits, but sometimes I want to try a beta, or an older version...
[18:43] <cousteau> you know, the typical bug on the flash player that adobe doesn't want to fix
[18:43] <russ5811> platius, is there a command line to remove the flash or should i just search "flash" in my synaptic
[18:45] <platius> russ5811,   I did the synaptics to remove flash
[18:45] <russ5811> ok. thanks
[18:45] <priodev> sorry for the noobish question, but is it correct that an install as fresh as a Beta version gives me 200MB of Updates right after the install?
[18:45] <KB1JWQ> priodev: yes.
[18:45] <cousteau> priodev: the beta is really old... almost a week
[18:45] <JEEBsv> and packages get updated :)
[18:45] <cousteau> I got about 200 daily updates when I was in hardy beta
[18:46] <Oer> incl kernel update :-)
[18:46] <priodev> ok, thanks.. now.. after applying the updates left me without keyboard.. it just doesn't work.. only mouse
[18:46] <russ5811> platius, sorry for all the questions here, but when i search "flash" in synaptic, it only comes up with ubuntu restricted extras. is there a way to remove flash surgically?
[18:46] <priodev> that's a VMWare install, btw
[18:47] <platius> russ5811,   hmm, gimme a sec
[18:47] <russ5811> no prob
[18:49] <platius> russ5811,  my synaptis search comes up with flashplugin-installer and flashplugin-nonfree which are not installed
[18:49] <dragon> What's more stable? beta1 or latest daily?
[18:50] <Sioux-33> hi i wanted to ask is there any chance to install in lucid beta udev (version 147~-6)?? i tried synaptic but cant downgrade it there
[18:50] <charlie-tca> always the latest daily
[18:50] <Clark3934> Hey, I'm having problems with my Intel Mobile 4 Series GM45.  When I boot on lucid, there seems to be something wrong with the window manager.  None of the minimize/maximize/etc buttons show up until I manually turn on desktop effects (enabling compiz, i guess).  Then everything works pretty well, except the colors seem to be off when I try to run any window with transparency.  However, when I restart my computer.... it reverts to its previous problem.  I 
[18:50] <dragon> charlie-tca: thanks
[18:50] <russ5811> platius, i had the same result. so i guess i won't worry about the ubuntu restricted extras pkg interferring.
[18:51] <platius> russ5811,  sounds good
[18:51] <priodev> where do I report or help debug my keyboard not working (in a vmware install) ?
[18:53] <jo-erlend> it's kinda funny: Gwibber is a rich social networking client, yes? It's been shorted to "social client". But it is a rich client, which makes it a rich social client. A social client in my language, is someone who lives on welfare. :)
[18:54] <jo-erlend> but should messages posted on the memenu also post to twitter?
[18:55] <russ5811> platius, THANK YOU!! All it took was moving the .so from the home/.mozilla/plugin to the usr/lib/mozilla/plugin. thanks for the help and your time.
[18:55] <platius> russ5811,  yw
[18:56] <Sioux-33>  hi i wanted to ask is there any chance to install in lucid beta udev (version 147~-6)?? i tried synaptic but cant downgrade it there
[18:58] <Oer> jo-erlend, Gwibber is a Twitter client, so yes, it is normal your post shows up at twitter.
[18:59] <sroecker> hi, I noticed that I am missing os-prober (I upgraded from karmic to lucid) Shouln't it be installed by default so that grub detects other OSes?
[19:00] <NinoScript> hi!
[19:00] <kklimonda> Sioux-33: I wouldn't really recommend it as lucid depends on newer udev that has been configured for it.
[19:00] <photon> After installing 10.04, I cannot boot the OS. Right after the BIOS messages, my monitor complains that the mode is not supported and I cannot see anything. Any idea what could cause this?
[19:01] <harisund> Can someone please help me with https://bugs.launchpad.net/blueman/+bug/350479
[19:02] <harisund> oops wrong channel
[19:02] <kklimonda> photon: what gpu do you have?
[19:02] <photon> kklimonda: ATI (HD 4850)
[19:02] <photon> kklimonda: oh wait no
[19:02] <kklimonda> photon: try booting linux with nomodeset argument (press left shit during boot to get to the grub console and then follow instructions how to edit command line)
 just the newest use to much cpu so i wanted to downgrade it the same issue i had in karmic with udev 147 6.1 i downgraded it to udev 147 6.0 and everything was ok and i think that in lucid beta i have the same problem
[19:02] <photon> kklimonda: sorry, that's the current PC I'm writing this one. The one in question has Nvidia
[19:03] <photon> kklimonda: I'll try, thanks
[19:03] <jo-erlend> Oer, I'm new with twitter. Should I be able to see the messages I send?
[19:03] <kklimonda> Sioux-33: you should work with developers to fix the excessive cpu usage and not downgrade
[19:03] <kklimonda> Sioux-33: it worked in karmic because karmic wasn't as much dependant as lucid is
[19:04] <alex88> /jk/join #ubuntu
[19:04] <jo-erlend> Oer, to be honest, I'm only using twitter in order to know the new social stuff in lucid. It's valuable to me, as I'll be creating videos and presentations of Lucid, so I have to know how all these stuff works.
[19:04] <_lemsx1_> @#$@ plan b. removing gdm plymouth and reboot... system works fine if i start everything by hand ( init=/bin/sh single ). i can start getty on tty1, loadkeys, etc.. etc..
[19:04] <alex88> damn..sorry
 where are those developers?
[19:04] <kklimonda> Sioux-33: report a bug on the launchpad
[19:04] <Sioux-33> k
[19:04] <Sioux-33> tnx <kklimonda>
[19:06] <Oer> Twitter is cool, to share and recieve jo-erlend, like i follow http://twitter.com/ubuntusecurity ( for vulnerabilities )
[19:08] <kklimonda> I prefer mailing list for security announcements - I tend to miss tweets or dents
[19:09] <jo-erlend> Oer, ... I "follow" that on the mailinglist. Aren't those security notices way too big for twitter?
[19:11] <Oer> all i need is 1 word ( what program is affected ) and a shortened url in 140 characters.
[19:11] <kklimonda> twitter gets a small desciptio and the link to announcement
[19:13] <BluesKaj> Oer, twitter is cool ?... gawd
[19:15] <jo-erlend> Twitter seems like a network for twits to me, but since we're now supporting it, I have to understand these things.
[19:17] <DarkTao> hmmm is it just me or does scrolling lag out in the Ubuntu Software Centre?
[19:19] <Roberj13> Is there any word on any better flash video solution,  its so slow atm..
[19:20] <cdE|Woozy> DarkTao: it's a gtk bug
[19:20] <DarkTao> cdE|Woozy, thanks woozy :)
[19:21] <jo-erlend> Roberj13, flash video is wrong, and bad by design. You want something that's less bad, but still flash, or do you prefer WWW and HTML5?
[19:21] <cdE|Woozy> DarkTao: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/software-center/+bug/524567 :)
[19:24] <Roberj13> Less bad but still flash atm, till o can find new sources to where I'm used to going coming from windows
[19:24] <russ5811> anyone know how to get back the little envelope that launches empathy back by the clock if removed from the panel?
[19:25] <jo-erlend> in Gwibber, there are icons to select which networks to send with. Does this affect sending from the MeMenu?
[19:25] <ZykoticK9> russ5811, add "indicator applet" back to panel (right click on panel / Add to panel)
[19:27] <russ5811> zykotick9, thanks
[19:27] <_lemsx1_> ok, i found where the crash happens... getting closer. when udevadm trigger executes it loads something that kills the system
[19:47] <platius> Roberj13,  are running 64bit lucid?
[19:47] <Roberj13> Yes
[19:47] <photon> kklimonda: I pressed left shift during boot, but I didn't get to the grub console. my monitor still says 'mode not supported'.
[19:48] <platius> Roberj13,  Following this worked for me  http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[19:48] <kklimonda> photon: you have to press it before system starts to boot - i.e. when your bios shows up (or a bit later depending on the bios)
[19:50] <photon> kklimonda: yup, did that. still no effect. maybe I pressed it too early? or grub is totally messed up.
[19:50] <ZykoticK9> photon, don't press shift - hold it down as computer boots
[19:51] <Roberj13> Cool ill check it out
[19:51] <kklimonda> right, press and hold
[19:52] <platius> Roberj13,  make sure  flashplugin-installer and flashplugin-nonfree  are not installed
[19:52] <platius> Roberj13,  b4 you start
[19:52] <centaur5> Why is the text mode installed for Lucid now unable to detect my motherboard's sata controller automatically when Karmic used to?
[19:52] <Roberj13> Platius, thanks so much ill try it when o get home
[19:53] <platius> Roberj13,  good luck
[19:54] <psusi> _lemsx1_: you debugging a 3 minute hang followed by timeout and emergency shell in the initramfs?  you have hardware fake raid?
[19:55] <_lemsx1_> psusi: no. I'm passed initramfs at this point. when udev triggers the events, some driver loads, the screen goes to blank. and the system hangs
[19:55] <_lemsx1_> psusi: i have not been able to find what it is yet
[19:55] <psusi> ohh
[20:00] <_lemsx1_> i think i found the sucker... viafb
[20:08] <beeezn> hi, i'm using lucid with the xorg-edgers ppa for nouveau 3d support. now compiz is working fine but a would like to give gnome-shell a shot. compiled latest git and started. now it is running, but it only takes 1/4 of the screen (top left) I was told this is probably due to bleeding edge nouveau. but i've heard from people running gnome-shell just fine with nouveau
[20:08] <beeezn> any ideas?
[20:08] <_lemsx1_> yep. that was it!
[20:08] <_lemsx1_> added blacklist viafb and now it works
[20:11] <cnd> beeezn: I'd suggest heading over to #nouveau maybe? It's not likely anyone here would know since lucid will not have 3d for nouveau
[20:11] <beeezn> yeah maybe a good idea. i just thought maybe somebody in here has gnome-shell running with nouveau
[20:12] <cnd> beeezn: from my experiences, you're fairly lucky enough as it is :)
[20:12] <beeezn> No 3D user support here <-- channel topic in #noveau :D
[20:12] <cnd> I tried to get nouveau 3d through xorg-edgers without any luck
[20:12] <beeezn> yes very happy with it
[20:12] <beeezn> compiz runs smoothly
[20:12] <beeezn> crashes a few times a day
[20:12] <beeezn> but i can live with that for now
[20:12] <cnd> uhhh... I'll stick with 2d then
[20:18] <ubuntujenkins> has any one tried the wubi in windows 7?
[20:19] <CalmvsKhaos> !Away > FFForever
[20:19] <FFForever> CalmvsKhaos, its not busy right now though ;)
[20:20] <guntbert> FFForever: that applies to all ubuntu channels
[20:28] <FFForever> what is the update schedule for the pre release ubuntus?, I did ~30mb this morning and another ~70mb right now in packages
[20:28] <FFForever> 189mb*
[20:30] <yofel> FFForever: update schedule? updates are available as new packages/fixes are uploaded and built
[20:32] <cemc> I've upgraded to lucid from karmic. how to set the default theme?
[20:33] <charlie-tca> cemc: System -> Preferences -> appearance
[20:33] <charlie-tca> pick a them
[20:34] <cemc> which one is the default?
[20:34] <charlie-tca> whichever one you pick. I think lucid is radiance ?
[20:35] <JoshuaL> could it cause any harm to install prelink?
[20:46] <cemc> (default theme: not a fan ;) )
[20:55] <charlie-tca> cemc: that the one with the purple background?
[20:56] <cemc> charlie-tca: yes, that's the one
[20:57] <cemc> the boot screen looks fine, the login doesn't. after login still doesn't :)
[20:57] <Bittarman> so, anyone know what libgcrypt is doing when I boot? its spoiling plymouth
[20:57] <sqwertle> I've had this problem for a bit now, and I can't seem to get it fixed. I've followed the guides I've found on it to the best of my ability but have not come to a solution. Upon running most programs without root I get this error Unable to locate theme engine in module_path: "ubuntulooks".
[20:57] <charlie-tca> That is what comes up be default now on new installs. You might like the radiance better. It is the new light theme
[20:57] <charlie-tca> cemc ^^ ^^
[20:58] <cemc> yeah, that's what I tried and didn't like ;)
[20:59] <cemc> human-clearlooks ftw ;)
[20:59] <eko> good evening
[21:00] <eko> i have a trouve with Ubuntu 10.04 beta 1, when I try to install it on my Windows platform (with wubi.exe), I reboot, I select Ubuntu on the grub menu and then a cleared grub console appear ... the kernel doesn't load, any idea ?
[21:00] <Some_Person> sqwertle: That's weird. ubuntulooks was phased out years ago
[21:00] <sqwertle> It came standard with either lucid or was hidden somewhere in a depository for something I downloaded
[21:01] <sqwertle> Some_Person: perhaps attempting to remove it?
[21:10] <Neezer> anyone here have experience with ipod touch and rhythmbox?
[21:11] <Neezer> I got an error when plugging in my ipod last night, and today...something about not beign able to open null null
[21:12] <Some_Person> sqwertle: ubuntulooks was completely removed in lucid
[21:14] <sqwertle> Some_Person: Aside from that error when trying to apt-get install gtk2-engines-ubuntu looks I get http://paste.ubuntu.com/400788/ .
[21:15] <Some_Person> sqwertle: Try installing human-theme
[21:15] <jmcantrell> i can't get past the splash screen after a fresh install from the alternate cd. anyone have any ideas?
[21:15] <sqwertle> Some_Person: same problem
[21:16] <jmcantrell> i've tried booting into rescue mode, updating, and it still won't boot
[21:16] <Some_Person> sqwertle: What does it say when you try to install human-theme?
[21:16] <sqwertle> Some_Person: I should clarify, it installed correctly, but I still have the original error.
[21:16] <Some_Person> sqwertle: Oh. Where does this error appear exactly?
[21:16] <sqwertle> Some_Person: Upon typing "codeblocks" in terminal.
[21:20] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, sqwertle Human theme was removed in Lucid, you'd need a karmic package i'm guessing
[21:21] <Some_Person> ZykoticK9: It's still in the repos
[21:22] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, ahh thanks - when it disappeared from available themes i'd figured they just removed it entirely.  Good to know it's still available, thanks.
[21:22] <sqwertle> ZykoticK9: Hm?
[21:22] <ZykoticK9> sqwertle, never mind :)
[21:23] <_lemsx1_> finally got everything to work. last one was the openchrome video driver breaks the OQO
[21:23] <_lemsx1_> so, blacklist viafb and use vesa for xserver
[21:23] <_lemsx1_> now i need to open bugs for these problems :-)
[21:24] <Some_Person> Oddly, even though the ubuntulooks engine was completely removed (including from the repos), at least 2 themes in the repos still use it
[21:32] <avar> When I upgraded to 10.04 openoffice was installed even though I'd removed it before upgrading, is this a known issue or does the installer just not respect packages you may have removed in general?
[21:32] <cemc> how do I prevent mysql from starting at boot? how do I disable it in upstart ?
[21:32] <MindVirus> Hello.
[21:32] <MindVirus> I found out what my problem was.
[21:32] <avar> cemc: man update-rc.d
[21:33] <MindVirus> My fstab had things that weren't on my system.
[21:33] <MindVirus> What I don't know is why it caused my system to hang on plymouth indefinitely.
[21:33] <MindVirus> I don't think an invalid fstab should cause locking out of everything I hold dear.
[21:33] <ZykoticK9> avar, i'm guessing OOo is in the ubuntu-desktop meta package and would thus be reinstalled
[21:34] <avar> ZykoticK9: Yeah, it is. I'm just wondering whether the installer shouldn't prune packages from ubuntu-desktop on upgrade that aren't installed when upgrading from an earlier version.
[21:35] <cemc> avar: I was using sysv-rc-conf, but mysql is nowhere in rcX.d with S to start up, but it still starts
[21:35] <avar> Which could be done reliably if the release shipped a list of packages ubuntu-desktop depended on in previous releases
[21:35] <avar> cemc: what does find /etc -iname '*mysql*' look like?
[21:35] <yofel> MindVirus: +1, check if there's a bug filed against mountall, it's responsible for mounting drives in fstab and many services depend on it finishing without error I think
[21:36] <cemc> avar: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/400801/
[21:36] <MindVirus> yofel: Mountall causes lots of issues, no?
[21:37] <avar> cemc: Odd, no idea. It does seem the init system changed in 10.04, at least it whines if I do 'sudo /etc/init.d/* cmd' now
[21:37] <yofel> MindVirus: could be, here it shows nfs mount error cause the network isn't up yet (shouldn't _netdev prevent that?) but continues otherwise
[21:37] <yofel> *errors
[21:38] <avar> cemc: There's service(8) now which still points to update-rc.d..
[21:39] <yofel> avar: there still are a few old sysvinit scripts in /etc/init.d, but the new upstart scripts are (since 9.10) in /etc/init
[21:39] <MindVirus> Why does mountall depend on plymouth?
[21:40] <yofel> update-rc.d is still used for the existing  sys-v-init scripts
[21:40] <avar> I see, I should read about upstart then
[21:41] <Some_Person> I want to know why installing usplash removes gdm
[21:41] <avar> I wonder if it supports user-started programs like osx's launchd..
[21:42] <blackmamba> hey everyone, is anyone having issues with brightness using 10.04 netbook remix ?
[21:43] <yofel> Some_Person: it was made to conflict with usplash so usplash gets properly removed for plymouth (don't ask me why though, can't remember anymore, it's been like that for a while)
[21:43] <cemc> yofel: so, how do I stop mysql from starting at boot?
[21:44] <Some_Person> So why not just make ubuntu-desktop conflict with it?
[21:44] <Some_Person> Or make plymouth conflict with it?
[21:44] <IT_man> use sysv-rc-conf
[21:44] <yofel> Some_Person: like I said, don't ask me, ask in #ubuntu-devel maybe
[21:45] <cemc> IT_man: we've just been through this ;) it doesn't appear in the old /etc/rcX.d/ locations, sysv-rc-conf shows it's disabled
[21:46] <blackmamba> hey everyone, is anyone having issues with brightness using 10.04 netbook remix ?
[21:47] <yofel> cemc: upstart has IMHO grave issues with configurability, iirc the only way to disable it is to edit the start on statement in the mysql init script in /etc/init/ for now
[21:47] <blackmamba> or know how to revert to the working version in 9.10
[21:47] <cemc> yofel: that's what I was afraid of ;) thanks
[21:47] <yofel> there was a rumor about a system service editor, but I'm not sure if that was added or not (I use Kubuntu, not Ubuntu)
[21:48] <cemc> another issue: I have an ecrypted home. it's a major PITA to boot up lucid because of this. It asks for the passphrase once, then it just waits, no error, I don't know what's happening...
[21:48] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:49] <yofel> hey BUGabundo, got your car moving again? ^^
[21:49] <BUGabundo> no
[21:49] <BUGabundo> goes tomorrow to shop
[21:52] <MindVirus> yofel: Found a bug.
[21:52] <MindVirus> yofel: This should be in the topic.
[21:52] <MindVirus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mountall/+bug/545658/
[21:52] <cemc> it seems I can't boot without 'splash quiet' settings. when i remove those I don't see a thing until it gets to the login screen
[21:52] <MindVirus> At least the [SM] is actually a prompt to press S = skip? / M = maintenance part.
[21:53] <MindVirus> yofel: This has caused me so many problems; you have no idea. Stupid stupid interface design.
[21:54] <yofel> MindVirus: did you get the same prompt?
[21:54] <MindVirus> yofel: Basically, except for CDROM.
[21:54] <yofel> MindVirus: please set the bug to confirmed then
[21:54] <yofel> *bug status
[21:56] <dupondje> lol, I just started rythmbox, and it not apearing :)
[21:56] <dupondje> stupid thing :)
[21:57] <yofel> oh, my nfs mount issue is acutally known as bug 504224 :D
[21:57] <Oer> rhytmbox icon right side top ?
[21:57] <yofel> Oer: the icon should be part of the indicator applet (I think)
[21:57] <dupondje> Oer: oh god :) indeed :p
[21:57] <Blue1> yofel: there were some nfs updates in todays updates
[21:58] <dupondje> damn, if you don't know that, you search to death :)
[21:58] <yofel> Blue1: didn't install yet, will look in there later, but this is a bug in mountall
[21:58] <yofel> the shares mount fine... once the network is up
[21:58] <Blue1> yofel: owch!
[21:58] <dupondje> rhytmbox is default player or ?
[21:58] <yofel> and _netdev doesn't seem to do anything
[21:59] <MindVirus> yofel: Can you link me to that bug I just posted?
[22:00] <netbook> LucidLynx menu icons don't show up by default for the system menu... same bug was in Koala
[22:00] <netbook> Of course it was an easy fix in Koala, go to 'Pref.' -> 'Appearance' -> 'Interface' tab -> check 'Show icons in menus'
[22:00] <netbook> there is no 'Interface' tab in Lynx Appearance Preferences'
[22:00] <yofel> MindVirus: you mean bug 545658?
[22:00] <MindVirus> yofel: Yes.
[22:00] <MindVirus> Thanks.
[22:02] <netbook> What is difference between gconftool and gconftool-2
[22:03] <Blue1> netbook: dunno
[22:04] <Blue1> netbook: hmm man gconftool redirects to gconftool2
[22:04] <drbobb> I installed today on a pc using karmic alternate installer, just the CLI preseed, and attempted to upgrade to lucid - didn't work
[22:05] <Blue1> drbobb: i'm not sure why you did it that way...
[22:05] <drbobb> uh, I had the karmic cd with me, and no blanks handy
[22:06] <Blue1> ah --
[22:06] <Blue1> i have found that upgrades usually don't go well, and backup /home/ and /etc/ and then do a fresh install
[22:06] <drbobb> so I figured I'd put up a CLI karmic to avoid wasting time on d/l of packages that would be mostly replaced in the next step
[22:07] <yofel> drbobb: *what* went wrong?
[22:07] <drbobb> some dependency thing
[22:07] <yofel> drbobb: please make sure that there's a bug filed about that, this shouldn't happen
[22:07] <drbobb> btw this procedure is described on ubuntu.com as something that ought to work
[22:08] <Blue1> drbobb: so you install the server version of karmic, then tried to install the gui version of lucid over the top?
[22:08] <drbobb> it was about the new bootsplash framework, what's it called?
[22:08] <yofel> plymouth?
[22:08] <Blue1> drbobb: grub2?
[22:08] <drbobb> plymouth, yeah
[22:09] <netbook> heh gconf-editor is a lot like registry
[22:09] <drbobb> I believe the error message hinted there might be a dependency loop
[22:09] <drbobb> Blue1: almost, except of course the CLI system must be upgraded in between
[22:10] <drbobb> actually that's how I do most installs, except for the version hankypanky
[22:10] <drbobb> 1. CLI from CD 2. apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[22:11] <Blue1> drbobb: odd way to do it....
[22:11] <drbobb> Blue1: think about it, it makes sense if you're on a fast net connection
[22:12] <Blue1> drbobb: i just stick the cd in, answer a few questions, comeback 1/2 hour later - done
[22:12] <drbobb> besides I use LVM so I need to use the textmode installer anyway
[22:12] <Blue1> lvm is the windows thingy?
[22:13] <drbobb> Blue1: not done yet, must upgrade to current versions before you're ready
[22:13] <drbobb> LVM = logical volume manager
[22:13] <Blue1> drbobb: usually what I do, like when I migrated my parents, I just copied their "my documents" folder to a dvd, and then played it back into ubuntu...
[22:14] <drbobb> Blue1: setting up a server or multiuser system takes a bit more work, believe me
[22:14] <Blue1> drbobb: yeah i am not there yet...
[22:14] <enav> what is the meaning of this channel
[22:15] <Blue1> i have multiple systems, but only 1 user - far different
[22:15] <enav> is to fix beta bugs or is simple another support channet
[22:15] <yofel> enav: see /topic
[22:15] <enav> channeñ
[22:16] <yofel> enav: mostly support, we can help you fix bugs for you too, but for bug filing you should go to #ubuntu-bugs and you can find the developers in #ubuntu-devel
[22:16] <enav> thanks
[22:19] <leagris> Hellow, What is the state of SSD trim command support considering it needs kernel&&(ext||jfs||btrfs) support?
[22:19] <DanaG> ureadahead: Error while tracing: no such file or directory
[22:22] <DanaG> no wonder my boot is so slow.
[22:26] <netbook> might switch to xubuntu for this next release
[22:27] <netbook> gnome has become too much of a hassle
[22:27] <netbook> still can't find how to 'show icons in menus' option in gconf editor
[22:28] <histo> netbook: what do you mean show icons in menus?
[22:29] <Blue1> histo: took the words out of my mouth
[22:29] <histo> netbook: the icons are there already you want to disable them?
[22:29] <harisund> I think you can do that without gconf-editor
[22:29] <netbook> No, the icons are not there for the system menu
[22:29] <netbook> LucidLynx menu icons don't show up by default for the system menu... same bug was in Koala
[22:29] <platius> netbook,   I believe I found them in the latest ubuntu-tweak
[22:29] <netbook> Of course it was an easy fix in Koala, go to 'Pref.' -> 'Appearance' -> 'Interface' tab -> check 'Show icons in menus'
[22:29] <netbook> there is no 'Interface' tab in Lynx Appearance Preferences'
[22:30] <Blue1> netbook: nope there isn't
[22:30] <netbook> Yea, my point exactly.
[22:30] <netbook> Tried looking in gconf editor, can't seem to find it there
[22:31] <Full-Polar-Fox> Hello : )))
[22:31] <platius> netbook,   ya, ubuntu-tweak is where I turned the icons on
[22:31] <netbook> pretty lame you need a third party app :(
[22:32] <histo> netbook: how bout desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons  ?
[22:33] <histo> netbook: and there is /schemas/desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons
[22:33] <socket_77> Hmm, the Ubuntu Software Center seems to be missing from my menu after updating today..
[22:33] <netbook> histo yea looking at that now... changing the checkbox doesn't seem to do anything
[22:33] <histo> netbook: you'll prolly ahve to log out and back in
[22:34] <histo> netbook: also youc an search gconf-editor
[22:34] <netbook> heh already ahead of you
[22:34] <histo> I just searched for icons and found those few. But I think The system and places menu are ubuntu specific not gnome.  but I could be wrong.
[22:35] <netbook> My search for icons didn't turn those up... didn't click 'search also' boxes
[22:35] <platius> socket_77,   have you checked the edit menus to see if got unchecked?
[22:35] <netbook> icons still not up for some reason
[22:35] <socket_77> platius: hmm, I didn't uncheck it, but I'll check there, thanks
[22:36] <socket_77> platius: I'm also missing most of the openoffice menu entires as well
[22:36] <jmcantrell> how do i change the grub menu now?
[22:36] <platius> socket_77,   wow
[22:36] <socket_77> platius: yeah
[22:36] <socket_77> weird
[22:37] <cdE|Woozy> netbook: I just checked /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons and got all the icons, cluttering the menus again ;)
[22:37] <Blue1> jmcantrell: http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=193 ?
[22:37] <CalmvsKhaos> im getting a lot of 404 errors, whats a good mirror? Apperantly the one i was using no longer works
[22:38] <jmcantrell> Blue1: no
[22:38] <Blue1> jmcantrell: ;-(
[22:38] <jmcantrell> i don't want to download a tool to have to edit grub
[22:38] <socket_77> platius: Interesting, after I fired up the Menu Editor, everything's back now.
[22:39] <netbook> Alright, I got it. Wonder why they took out interface menu.
[22:39] <platius> socket_77,   yuk
[22:39] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: check sofware sources and select the one it recommends you
[22:39] <CalmvsKhaos> yeah im running a test now
[22:39] <CalmvsKhaos> thx
[22:40] <netbook> What are the benefeits of gnome over xfce?
[22:40] <platius> CalmvsKhaos,   osuosl always seems strong
[22:40] <charlie-tca> netbook: simplicity
[22:40] <CalmvsKhaos> platius, where are they located?
[22:41] <bullgard> [grub2, vga16fb] How can I  select a smaller font in my virtual console?
[22:41] <yofel> charlie-tca: wasn't it supposed to be the other way  around?
[22:41] <jmcantrell> i found something strange. if try to boot as normal, it hangs. if i turn off the plymouth splash screen, it boots fine. what could be the problem?
[22:41] <platius> CalmvsKhaos,   oregon state  oopen source labs
[22:41] <bullgard> netbook: Much more help in case of trouble.
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Nope
[22:42] <CalmvsKhaos> oh ok im just a bit south in california that might work thanks platius
[22:42] <charlie-tca> xfce never declared the easiest to do anything, but gnome keeps trying to cut out your options
[22:42] <Pretto> what is the correct package to file a bug about this? http://laudecioliveira.org/blog/?p=230
[22:42] <platius> CalmvsKhaos,   I think linus hangs there
[22:42] <Blue1> well they cut off my cox this week but that was there error
[22:42] <netbook> they be cutting my interface menu now
[22:42] <charlie-tca> It is harder to set xubuntu up, but it works on older equipment
[22:42] <CalmvsKhaos> isnt linus in finland?
[22:42] <jmcantrell> anyone?
[22:42] <CalmvsKhaos> or something
[22:42] <Blue1> their switched digital network is incompatible with my system
[22:43] <maco> CalmvsKhaos: born there, lives in portland, i believe
[22:43] <yofel> ah
[22:43] <charlie-tca> CalmvsKhaos: linus is in portland, ore, usa, I believe
[22:43] <CalmvsKhaos> cool
[22:44] <netbook> Gnome seems to choke when the going gets tough. Even though I had a great machine, if I am copying files over and moving windows, it seems to choke
[22:44] <Blue1> netbook yeah you sound like you're missins some updates - had same problem last wek
[22:45] <netbook> Blue1, I keep up-to-date with Update Manager... I am running ubuntu stock gnome
[22:45] <netbook> Maybe gnome 3 is better
[22:45] <CalmvsKhaos> how to get gnome 3?
[22:46] <netbook> build it yourself, LL won't be running it iirc
[22:46] <Blue1> netbook: yesterday I had to run the update manager 3 times and reboot once to get all the updates - today I had to run updatemanager twice to get all the updates (the reboot was because of a new kernel)
[22:46] <bullgard> Pretto: gnome-session
[22:46] <CalmvsKhaos> ah thats too bad
[22:46] <yofel> gnome-shell is in lucid if someone wants to test it
[22:46] <Pretto> bullgard: thank you
[22:46] <netbook> I updated kernel last week (miss the notification icon as well, sniffle)
[22:47] <netbook> VirtualBox Guest Additions don't work with LL beta
[22:47] <netbook> btw
[22:47] <Blue1> yeah the gnome-typing-monitor icon is missing for me last week it was the speaker icon
[22:48] <netbook> actually lokos like there is a workaround: http://maxolasersquad.blogspot.com/2010/03/ubuntu-1004-lucid-lynx-alpha-in.html
[22:48] <CalmvsKhaos> vmware tools installs automatically with LL :)
[22:48] <Blue1> then to get the sound to work, I have to jiggle the volume control in the speaker, otherwise it crackles really bad.
[22:52] <aboSamoor> any news regarding GMA500 Poulsbo ? it is not working with 10.04 on dell netbook
[22:55] <yofel> aboSamoor: I think there's only the vesa driver for those cards, as there's no driver that works with the lucid kernel and X server
[22:55] <petn-randall> Hi
[22:55] <aboSamoor> yofel, do you think that would be the latest situation for the release ?
[22:57] <yofel> aboSamoor: no idea, news about poulsbo are rare, you could ask in #ubuntu-x if you want to make sure
[22:57] <petn-randall> hi
[22:57] <luderson> Hi!!!! Im using lucy beta 1 - Kubuntu - and Im trying to hide the firefox menu bar... but I dont find the option... is it working???
[22:57] <CalmvsKhaos> Lucy? You mean Lucid?
[22:57] <jmcantrell> i'm unable to manually mount any luks drives with cryptsetup. it asks for the sudo password and immediately exits. any ideas?
[22:58] <rickfosb> aboSamoor, Currently running 10.04 on my net book with same result;  its usable with 4:3 aspect.  I keep scanning the feeds for information...
[22:58] <petn-randall> what do I need to do to so I can upload packages to Ubuntu Lucid?
[22:58] <petn-randall> Is there some kind of mentoring program like in Debian?
[22:58] <luderson> ops, lucid.. sry
[22:59]  * Crashbit to sleep
[23:00] <CalmvsKhaos> Although Lucy sounds better than Lucid, silly names, badgers, lynx's, please no more animal names!!! /rant  :)
[23:01] <CalmvsKhaos> lets leave mac OS have their animal names, tiger, Leopard, Ubuntu is better than that!
[23:05] <Some_Person> Is there any way to hold back a package (i.e. make update-manager ignore it)?
[23:05] <Some_Person> I have the karmic version of one package installed so that tilp works
[23:06] <harisund> I am not sure, but there's something called "apt-pinning" but it's an advanced topic. I am hoping someone can suggest something easier
[23:06] <Some_Person> Having this package makes update-manager always prompt me for a "partial upgrade", probably because lucid's tilp2 has dependency problems
[23:07] <lucian_> i have a qustion about the boot up, lucid wants to always check my drivers for errors on every boot up. is this normal of a bug?
[23:07] <lucian_> drives for error*
[23:07] <lucian_> not drivers, sorry for the typo
[23:08] <yofel> it is indeed possible with apt-pins and aptitude can hold packages too, no idea if update-manager can do tht
[23:08] <yofel> *taht
[23:08] <Some_Person> The actual karmic package is 'libticalcs2-7'
[23:08] <yofel> *that
[23:09] <CalmvsKhaos> i installed kubuntu-desktop updated it, restarted, now i cannot use keyboard to even log in
[23:10] <yofel> that sounds more like an issue with X
[23:10] <CalmvsKhaos> its in vmware though
[23:10] <CalmvsKhaos> should work
[23:10] <lucian_> lucid wants to check my drives for errors on every boot up, is this becuase my partitions(lvm, encrypted) are not being shutdown correctly during shutdown?
[23:11] <CalmvsKhaos> *sigh* guess its back to gnome for meh! :(
[23:12] <yofel> lucian_: if a partition isn't unmounted during shutdown it will be marked unclean which will trigger a fsck on next boot
[23:12] <yofel> won't be marked clean to be more accurate
[23:12] <lucian_> hmmm ok so they're not unmounted correctly
[23:12] <lucian_> is there a way to trace it?
[23:13] <yofel> could be, but I'm no expert on boot/shutdown
[23:13] <lucian_> ok but no one else is having their drives being checked all the time?
[23:14] <yofel> lucian_: there is a bug filed against mountall I think that sounds similiar
[23:14] <CalmvsKhaos> howcome kde --replace isnt working? i just installed KDE
[23:14] <CalmvsKhaos> installed Kubuntu-desktop
[23:15] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: huh? what are you trying to do?
[23:15] <lucian_> yofel: aw ok, yeah becuase i've got lucid installed on an encrypted lvm so there might some bugs there
[23:15] <CalmvsKhaos> welli cant boot into kde using the login screen so i booted into gnome thinking i could start it using kde or kdm --replace
[23:15] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: if you want to login to kde go to the login screen and select kde (you can use gdm for that)
[23:16] <Oer> CalmvsKhaos, select KDE @ login.
[23:16] <CalmvsKhaos> i did
[23:16] <CalmvsKhaos> :(
[23:16] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: the login still fails if you use gdm?
[23:17] <jmcantrell> i'm unable to manually mount any luks drives with cryptsetup. it asks for the sudo password and immediately exits. any ideas?
[23:18] <lucian_> jmcantrell: does it crash if you do a luksDump?
[23:19] <CalmvsKhaos> yeah keyboard not working in login screen
[23:19] <jmcantrell> lucian_: no
[23:19] <lucian_> just on luksOpen?
[23:20] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: how did you login to gnome then?
[23:20] <jmcantrell> lucian_: yes
[23:20] <DarkTao> good evening
[23:20] <jmcantrell> lucian_: odd though. i can mount the drives through gnome, just not over the command line
[23:21] <lucian_> jmcantrell: hmmm strange i just did a luksopen on an encrypted lvm and it worked
[23:21] <lucian_> what if you reinstall it?
[23:21] <jmcantrell> lucian_: i'll try that.
[23:22] <CalmvsKhaos> yofel, on the kde login screen you can select terminal thats how i got in, but now both the gnome and kde login not working
[23:23] <smerz> h4f, the new look is within a package which is in the repository. Maybe google for that one
[23:23] <smerz> dunno about the package name
[23:23] <h4f> I have upgraded to Beta. Where is the new Gnome Look ? how do I change back pidgin font size. now its to small
[23:24] <smerz> could be a theme too though :)
[23:24] <h4f> smerz:yeap I tried it in karmik. But I told when I will upgrade it will be the default one
[23:25] <smerz> i'm not running lucid. and it doesn't want to run in virtualbox for some reason so I don't know much more than that :)
[23:25] <thon0925> I've been running 10.04 since alpha 3, but recently an update seems to have updated the bootloader from grub-legacy to grub2, which crashes and causes a reboot loop (on RAID 0), how can I revert it back to grub-legacy?
[23:25] <h4f> smerz I guess it doesn't run in virtualbox because of default compiz
[23:26] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: that still sounds like an issue with X then, or kdm / gdm messing with each other, not sure
[23:26] <lucian_> i dont mean to sound like an rtard but i forgot the command to unmount the lvm group so i can do the luksClose on it
[23:26] <jmcantrell> ok my monitor just went to sleep and now all i have is a black screen with a cursor
[23:27] <CalmvsKhaos> yofel yeah, could be something with vmware
[23:28] <h4f> I don't have sound volume icon any more:(
[23:28] <yofel> thon0925: you could try to mount the system from a live disk, chroot into it and install 'grub', but please remember to file a bug on launchpad against grub2 about your issue
[23:28] <h4f> and there is no applet for doing that
[23:28] <thon0925> I used the super grub disk, so I'm in the system now
[23:29] <DanaG> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-17-generic_2.6.32-17.999~git20100321.4d950853~xorgedgers_amd64.deb: trying to overwrite '/lib/udev/compat_firmware.sh', which is also in package linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-16-generic 0
[23:29] <yofel> h4f: the sound icon is part of the indicator applet now
[23:29] <thon0925> looks like the windows system partition got corrupted somehow
[23:29] <h4f>  yofel: hm. just added indicator applet. so how do I change my sound from that ?
[23:30] <yofel> h4f: it should appear there, if not wait for someone else to answer (I use KDE)
[23:31] <h4f>  yofel: how to safely launch new look gnome-shell --replace with root or user privliges ?
[23:31] <francis> hey I receive this when attempting to install todays build via USB - GLIB WARNING ** GLib - getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)
[23:31] <Guest5325> anyone have an idea what I could do or a workaround would be good
[23:31] <yofel> h4f: user I think, gnome shouldn't run as root
[23:31] <h4f> yofel:  the applet itself appease but there is no way to set volume in there
[23:32] <yofel> h4f: maybe pulseaudio isn't running properly? do you get any sound?
[23:32] <h4f> yeap
[23:32] <yofel> hm
[23:33] <lucian_> i jsut realized my system is bugging and it might be due to the unclean shutdown, right now the entire system is read only even to root/sudo
[23:33] <lucian_> that happened yesterday too
[23:33] <lucian_> i cant install anything
[23:33] <lucian_> nor remove
[23:34] <lucian_> it just now triggered apport
[23:37] <cousteau> I find it very annoying the way numeric pads work on laptops, when they're shared with alphanumeric pad: if the num lock is on you can't write the letters UIOJKLM, and if it's off you have to press Fn+Shift+U instead of just Fn+U in order to write a 4
[23:37] <cousteau> so I did a small script that fixes this and packed it in a .deb
[23:39] <cousteau> is there something useful I can do with the .deb? I tried to follow the SponsorshipProcess wiki, but got lost when trying to report a bug
[23:39] <cozziemoto> hey guys...is grub2 absolutely necessary to run plymouth?
[23:39] <yofel> cousteau: if you want to add a package to the ubuntu archive you should ask the MOTU foks in #ubuntu-motu for the process
[23:40] <yofel> *folks
[23:40] <cousteau> k ,thx
[23:40] <lucian_> just filed Bug #546517
[23:40] <lucian_> but its not firestarter, the system became read only
[23:41] <lucian_> gonnd rboot
[23:42] <CalmvsKhaos> how would i start kde? I'm already logged in, startx starts gnome not kde
[23:42] <TecnoBrat> how long did an upgrade from 9.10 take for you guys (minus the download, just the installing bit)
[23:42] <TecnoBrat> curious what I've got myself into, lol
[23:43] <DanaG> cousteau: do you have a bug report for that numlock issue?
[23:43] <cousteau> nope, don't know what package it's related so I can't submit it
[23:43] <TecnoBrat> cousteau: you don't happen to have the option to use the number pad as a mouse enabled do you?
[23:44] <cousteau> TecnoBrat: no, I think I don't
[23:44] <Andre_Gondim> is there any tip to connect ubuntu one?
[23:45] <yofel> TecnoBrat: I don't have it enabled either, and I too have to press Fn+Shift+U
[23:45] <DanaG> same here.
[23:45] <cousteau> the problem is that the numlock is disabled by default; and enabling it (with numlockx, for example) makes the right part of the alphanumeric pad behave as a num pad
[23:45] <TecnoBrat> was just a stab in the dark ... I had that issue on karmic and it drove me nuts until I figured it out
[23:46] <cousteau> this is, with numlock off, Fn+U is a left arrow key, not a 4
[23:46] <yofel> the numpad works fine once I press Fn+NumLk, but that's impractical most of the time
[23:47] <yofel> indeed o.O
[23:47] <charlie-tca> Andre_Gondim: not really, should be just install ubuntuone-client packages
[23:47] <charlie-tca> It runs in the background in lucid
[23:47] <CalmvsKhaos> how come nautilus is no longer the default File manager?
[23:47] <yofel> CalmvsKhaos: it should be in gnome
[23:47] <Blue1> CalmvsKhaos: they changed it to?
[23:47] <charlie-tca> It isn't?
[23:47] <CalmvsKhaos> pcman
[23:47] <lucian_> just discovered another bug: when lucid does an fcheck on any of the drives, it reboots after the percentage is complete
[23:47] <TecnoBrat> well the option I'm talking about is barried in the accessibility prefs on karmic ... I don't have lucid installed yet (working on it) :)
[23:48] <lucian_> at least on my system
[23:48] <CalmvsKhaos> on 9.10 mine changed to pcman
[23:48] <yofel> lucian_: if it had to fix fs errors it might need to reboot
[23:48] <h4f>  is there a way to place minimised and close buttons where they where ?
[23:48] <h4f>  what was the reason to place them in left corner ?
[23:48] <TecnoBrat> and I can't type
[23:48] <Blue1> CalmvsKhaos: mine has always defualted to nautilus --
[23:48] <Blue1> h4f: hellifino
[23:48] <cousteau> yofel: that's what I mean, with my script you don't need to enable the num lock , it re-maps e.g. KP_Left to KP_4
[23:49] <lucian_> its constantly wanting to check all the drives for errors on every boot up and sometimes the system goes into read only too
[23:49] <CalmvsKhaos> yeah mine has too until a couple days ago Blue1
[23:49] <yofel> h4f: you can, for the reason: there is one, and there's a huge discussion/flame war going on about it
[23:49] <Blue1> CalmvsKhaos: 32 or 64 bit system?
[23:49] <h4f> Blue1:  what about  hellifino ?
[23:49] <Blue1> h4f: hell if I know
[23:50] <h4f>  yofel:  where can I read pros and cons?
[23:50] <charlie-tca> h4f: http://blog.daviey.com/blogroll/anything-but-the-buttons.html
[23:50] <h4f> charlie-tca: thanks
[23:50] <CalmvsKhaos> blue1 64 bit
[23:50] <yofel> h4f: bug 532633
[23:51] <yofel> h4f: see the bug descriptions for 2 workarounds
[23:51] <yofel> -s
[23:51] <TecnoBrat> cousteau: what does Shift+Numlock do?
[23:51] <cousteau> TecnoBrat: enable the numlock, which can be really annoying if you want to write letters shared with the num pad
[23:52] <yofel> TecnoBrat: here, paste. (as NumLk is the same button as Insert)
[23:52] <cousteau> UIOJKLM
[23:52] <h4f> yofel:  Well I am not sure yet if I want to place them back. If I will find out that there is a good reason for them to be in the left corner
[23:52] <cousteau> oh, Shift+Numlock? no idea
[23:52] <TecnoBrat> cousteau: I mean .. does that fix your issue, try it
[23:53] <TecnoBrat> cause that disables / enables changing 4 into a -> etc
[23:53] <TecnoBrat> err 4 into a <-
[23:53] <yofel> nope, pressing shift+numlk is paste here, and I still have to press fn-shift-u for a 4
[23:54] <cousteau> TecnoBrat: nice, now I know how to enable the "control mouse with numpad" feature. It has absolutely nothing to do with my problem.
[23:54] <DarkTao> not sure if this is possible, but can you assign a keyboard key in GNOME to act like the CD eject key on a mac keyboard?
[23:54] <cousteau> when I say left arrow key, I mean left arrow key, as in you're writing and the keyboard cursor moves one character to the left
[23:55] <cousteau> not as if you move the mouse
[23:56] <cousteau> next time I'll use 0/Insert as an example
[23:56] <cousteau> or 1/End