| Raylton | hi ! | 00:31 |
|---|---|---|
| Raylton | someone online? | 00:32 |
| Red_HamsterX | Nope. | 00:32 |
| Raylton | =P i'm sorry... | 00:33 |
| Raylton | i'm from wikibooks pt | 00:33 |
| Raylton | como posso me envolver na tradução? | 00:34 |
| Raylton | sorry! a say... | 00:35 |
| Raylton | how can I get involved in translation? | 00:35 |
| Raylton | and | 00:35 |
| Raylton | which the license of the manual? | 00:36 |
| Raylton | alguem pode me ajudar com isso? | 00:36 |
| Raylton | please | 00:36 |
| Raylton | sorry again | 00:37 |
| Red_HamsterX | If you can wait a couple of hours, ask humphreybc when he's online. | 00:37 |
| Raylton | can someone help me with this? | 00:37 |
| Red_HamsterX | Or godbyk or ubuntujenkins. | 00:37 |
| Red_HamsterX | Nobody who's around right now. | 00:37 |
| Red_HamsterX | But your help would be appreciated. | 00:38 |
| Raylton | certo.... | 00:39 |
| Raylton | certo... então eu apareco depois | 00:39 |
| Raylton | sure ... then I showed up after | 00:39 |
| Raylton | Tank's Red_HamsterX! | 00:40 |
| Red_HamsterX | You can just stay in the channel. I'll let them know as soon as they're around, if you on't see them first. | 00:42 |
| Raylton | anything I'm here: http://pt.wikibooks.org/wiki/Usu%C3%A1rio:Raylton_P._Sousa | 00:42 |
| Red_HamsterX | I speak French, if it would be helpful for me to try to say things in that language. | 00:42 |
| Raylton | do not worry if you want to talk to me in English, no problem | 00:45 |
| Raylton | or possibly French | 00:46 |
| Raylton | will leave now ... bye for hours | 00:48 |
| Raylton | tank's again! | 00:48 |
| Raylton | bye! =D | 00:48 |
| Red_HamsterX | godbyk, we had a visit from Raylton, someone associated with pt.wikibooks.org, looking to get involved with the translation project. He said he'd be back in a few hours. | 01:19 |
| Red_HamsterX | I wasn't sure where to direct him. | 01:19 |
| godbyk | Cool. | 01:19 |
| godbyk | I would point him at the translators page on the wiki | 01:19 |
| Red_HamsterX | Link? | 01:19 |
| godbyk | (my Internet connection is crap today. | 01:19 |
| godbyk | only comes up for a couple minutes at a time.) | 01:19 |
| Red_HamsterX | :( | 01:19 |
| Red_HamsterX | No link, then. | 01:19 |
| Red_HamsterX | I'll find it. | 01:19 |
| godbyk | Red_HamsterX: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/translators | 01:20 |
| Red_HamsterX | Yeah, I just found it. | 01:20 |
| Red_HamsterX | I'll let him know when he returns. | 01:20 |
| godbyk | k | 01:25 |
| humphreybc | phew | 02:48 |
| humphreybc | that was close | 02:48 |
| humphreybc | i was *this close* to reinstalling lcid | 02:48 |
| humphreybc | lucid* | 02:48 |
| humphreybc | btw i printed the manual at uni today | 03:00 |
| humphreybc | double sided, got it bound | 03:00 |
| humphreybc | it looks AMAZING | 03:00 |
| donri | Is it done enough to print? | 03:13 |
| humphreybc | no but i wanted to print it so I can go through with a red pen and mark stuff for editing | 03:14 |
| donri | Ah. :) | 03:14 |
| humphreybc | yup | 03:15 |
| humphreybc | it's going to take me a while | 03:15 |
| donri | (Silly how computers still somewhat fail at such tasks. Need better HIDs!) | 03:15 |
| donri | I suppose a tablet could do somewhat well. | 03:16 |
| donri | But who owns one. | 03:16 |
| humphreybc | no one :P | 03:16 |
| donri | Are you using any spell correction software on the manual? | 03:18 |
| humphreybc | nope | 03:18 |
| donri | aspell -t check file.tex | 03:19 |
| humphreybc | hrm | 03:20 |
| donri | No idea how that works with your translation setup. | 03:21 |
| humphreybc | omg | 03:30 |
| humphreybc | 450 bloody bug reports now | 03:30 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: how many bugs did you want by the end of the week? :) | 03:31 |
| humphreybc | godbyk well, not sure | 03:40 |
| humphreybc | =| | 03:40 |
| humphreybc | oh yeah godbyk my computer is fixed now | 03:40 |
| humphreybc | bloody gnome-panwl | 03:40 |
| godbyk | my Internet is back up.. for the time being, at least. | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | lol | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | the manual looks so beautiful | 03:41 |
| godbyk | trying to run a new build of all the translations and get them uploaded. | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | i took some photos of it | 03:41 |
| godbyk | lol | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | will put them on flickr and facebook | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | the typeface is unbelievable | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | i love it | 03:41 |
| godbyk | how do the printed screenshots look? | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | I was showing all my flatmates and they were like "I don't care" | 03:41 |
| humphreybc | the printed screens look good | 03:42 |
| godbyk | and do you see why those blank pages are there now? :) | 03:42 |
| godbyk | that's good. | 03:42 |
| humphreybc | great, actually | 03:42 |
| humphreybc | the printed screens are fantastic | 03:42 |
| humphreybc | it looks f**king professional | 03:42 |
| humphreybc | can't wait to see it in full colour with screenshots | 03:42 |
| * humphreybc might have to get every single language printed just for himself | 03:43 | |
| godbyk | It always looks a lot nicer when you've printed and bound it, though. The whole idea of, 'Hey, this is a *book*!' hits home then. | 03:43 |
| humphreybc | yeah totally | 03:43 |
| godbyk | I had the same feeling when I had that other book printed through lulu. | 03:43 |
| godbyk | Was kinda neat. | 03:43 |
| godbyk | Went from, 'Meh, it's a nice-looking PDF.' to 'Holy crap, this is a book!' | 03:44 |
| humphreybc | haha | 03:44 |
| humphreybc | i can't wait to see this as a book with a thick cover and stuff | 03:44 |
| humphreybc | and if we print it as a book, should we do it a bit smaller than A4? | 03:44 |
| godbyk | If we go through lulu.com, we're limited to a selection of page sizes. | 03:44 |
| humphreybc | okay | 03:44 |
| humphreybc | such as? | 03:44 |
| humphreybc | halfway between A5 and A4 would look good | 03:45 |
| godbyk | pulling up the site now.. | 03:45 |
| humphreybc | A4.5... | 03:45 |
| godbyk | Nice.. they have a lot more sizes than they used to: http://www.lulu.com/publish/books/?cid=nav_bks | 03:45 |
| godbyk | The last book I did was 6x9 inches because they had soft-cover and hard-cover books that could use 6x9-inch pages. | 03:46 |
| godbyk | Ours is already designed for letter and A4. | 03:46 |
| godbyk | So that'd be the simplest for us.. | 03:46 |
| humphreybc | hm | 03:46 |
| humphreybc | letter is smaller than A4 right? | 03:47 |
| godbyk | It wider and shorter, if I remember correctly. | 03:47 |
| godbyk | But they're on par with each other. | 03:47 |
| humphreybc | ah okay | 03:48 |
| humphreybc | hm | 03:48 |
| humphreybc | it would be nicer if it was thicker and a smaller surface area | 03:48 |
| humphreybc | at the moment it looks more like a course book than an operating system manual | 03:49 |
| humphreybc | A4 is just a generic size, so it doesn't have that whole "Ooo custom size therefore it MUST be professional" thing | 03:49 |
| godbyk | Just plugging in some numbers to their calculator: | 03:49 |
| humphreybc | I know i'm being picky | 03:49 |
| godbyk | Standard paper, paperback cover, black and white, US letter size, perfect bound, 180 pages x 1 copy = US$10.00 | 03:50 |
| humphreybc | wow that's cheap | 03:50 |
| humphreybc | oh but black and white | 03:50 |
| humphreybc | boo | 03:50 |
| godbyk | Let me see what paper sizes they offer. | 03:50 |
| godbyk | Color is expensive. | 03:50 |
| godbyk | Same settings, but with color = $41.50 | 03:50 |
| humphreybc | wow | 03:51 |
| godbyk | Hardcover options only allow for 8.25"x10.75" or 6"x9". | 03:51 |
| humphreybc | we can do options for both right? | 03:51 |
| humphreybc | hardcover would be awesome | 03:51 |
| godbyk | Sure, we can publish a color version and a B&W version, a paperback and hard-cover edition, etc. | 03:52 |
| humphreybc | yay! | 03:52 |
| godbyk | But I'd prefer not to have to fiddle with too many paper sizes. | 03:52 |
| * humphreybc is going to get the hardcover colour version | 03:52 | |
| godbyk | And too many options will just confuse people, so we should choose carefully. | 03:52 |
| humphreybc | what's shipping to NZ? | 03:52 |
| humphreybc | we can do what windows do and have three options | 03:53 |
| godbyk | Hardcover color (at the larger paper size) will cost ~$50 USD. | 03:53 |
| humphreybc | "Basic" "Premium" and "Ultimate" haha | 03:53 |
| godbyk | heh | 03:53 |
| humphreybc | Basic is just paperback, US letter, black and white | 03:53 |
| humphreybc | premium is paperback, US letter, colour | 03:53 |
| humphreybc | ultimate is hardback, colour | 03:53 |
| humphreybc | obviously we can think of better names | 03:54 |
| godbyk | If we use a lower-quality paper, we can get it cheaper (for B&W). Down to $6.74 instead of $10. | 03:55 |
| humphreybc | that's cool | 03:55 |
| godbyk | Fresh builds: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/ | 03:56 |
| humphreybc | neat | 03:59 |
| humphreybc | did you update the draft one? | 03:59 |
| godbyk | not yet | 04:00 |
| humphreybc | http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/getting-started-with-ubuntu-10-04-in-real-life/ | 04:00 |
| godbyk | Just wait 'til it's properly bound. :) | 04:01 |
| humphreybc | :D | 04:02 |
| godbyk | I'll find my other lulu books and take pics a bit later for ya. | 04:02 |
| humphreybc | do lulu charge much for shipping? | 04:04 |
| godbyk | I don't recall. | 04:04 |
| humphreybc | kk | 04:04 |
| humphreybc | now, time to take out the red pen | 04:11 |
| humphreybc | the wide margin is good for editing | 04:13 |
| humphreybc | but i still think it's a tad too wide | 04:13 |
| humphreybc | just a tad though | 04:13 |
| humphreybc | :P | 04:13 |
| * humphreybc has Beethoven's symphony #6 playing while editing | 04:14 | |
| * godbyk is watching Lost and will edit some more afterward. :) | 04:17 | |
| humphreybc | lol | 04:17 |
| humphreybc | oh btw, if I haven't made it clear: I don't want to see one single error in the manual. | 04:42 |
| humphreybc | we are going to set the quality standard incredibly high | 04:42 |
| humphreybc | so that means no errors at all. | 04:43 |
| * humphreybc now has 20 euros riding on it | 04:49 | |
| humphreybc | I made a bet with Martin. If he finds an error in the final english publication, I have to give him 20 euro at UDS. | 04:50 |
| humphreybc | if he cannot find an error, he has to give me 20 euro. | 04:50 |
| godbyk | How much will you pay me to ensure that you win the bet? ;-) | 04:52 |
| humphreybc | hahah | 04:52 |
| humphreybc | nothing, but i'll hurt you if i lose. | 04:52 |
| godbyk | lol | 04:53 |
| godbyk | If only you weren't halfway around the world, that threat might hold a bit more power. :-P | 04:53 |
| humphreybc | hahaha | 04:53 |
| humphreybc | now, get editing! I'm halfway through the installation chapter. Will make all my changes soon | 04:53 |
| humphreybc | I'm going to fix the errors at the end of each chapter before moving on. | 04:54 |
| humphreybc | I must say, the prologue only had a couple of errors... :) | 04:54 |
| humphreybc | i'm seeing lots of places for margin notes, so i'll be putting some more in | 04:54 |
| godbyk | how are we doing at incorporating the changes from the spreadsheet? | 04:55 |
| humphreybc | okay | 04:55 |
| godbyk | looks like they're being assigned quickly. are they getting fixed quickly, too? | 04:55 |
| humphreybc | sort of | 04:55 |
| humphreybc | i can't do two things at once | 04:55 |
| godbyk | or do we need to break it down and assign more chapters to people? | 04:56 |
| humphreybc | all of the spelling and grammar bugs i will pick up in my sweep | 04:56 |
| humphreybc | jamin and bryan are doing okay with the spreadsheet bugs | 04:56 |
| humphreybc | jamin has thursday and friday off work so we should be able to nail most of them | 04:56 |
| humphreybc | lots of duplicates | 04:56 |
| humphreybc | overall, we're doing pretty good | 04:56 |
| godbyk | I might grab one chapter's worth of bugs from the spreadsheet, fix them, and then make any other edits I see in the chapter myself. (If that's okay.) | 04:57 |
| godbyk | Marking it up on paper and then filing a ton of bugs per page is a bit slow. | 04:58 |
| humphreybc | sure, go for it | 04:58 |
| humphreybc | don't file the bugs you've found on paper | 04:58 |
| humphreybc | just fix them | 04:58 |
| godbyk | Any specific chapter you want me to tackle first? | 04:58 |
| humphreybc | chapter 5 | 04:58 |
| humphreybc | wolter's one | 04:58 |
| humphreybc | after I fix these bugs i'll be able to say with confidence that the prologue and installation chapters are perfect | 04:58 |
| humphreybc | :) | 04:58 |
| godbyk | Okay. Chapter 5 it is. | 04:59 |
| humphreybc | what chapter is the me menu discussed in? | 05:07 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, i have a sentence here that i'm not sure about | 05:09 |
| humphreybc | it goes like this | 05:09 |
| humphreybc | Under 'What is your name?', type in your full name. | 05:09 |
| humphreybc | the whole ?', thing is a bit odd | 05:09 |
| godbyk | It is a bit awkward. You could probably leave the comma out there, as the prepositional phrase "Under [blah]" is short enough that it doesn't need the comma. | 05:12 |
| godbyk | You should use double quotes, though. | 05:12 |
| godbyk | I'd rephrase: Type in your full name under ``What is your name?'' | 05:13 |
| godbyk | Then you don't need the comma. | 05:13 |
| humphreybc | ok | 05:14 |
| humphreybc | "Now you need to decide on your computer's name." | 05:14 |
| humphreybc | apostrophe needed for computer? | 05:14 |
| godbyk | yep | 05:15 |
| godbyk | it's possessive | 05:15 |
| godbyk | the name belonging to the computer. | 05:15 |
| humphreybc | kk | 05:15 |
| humphreybc | we need someone to write about the migration assistant | 05:17 |
| humphreybc | and also wubi. | 05:18 |
| humphreybc | i might see if i can sort that out | 05:18 |
| godbyk | They'd better hurry. :) | 05:20 |
| humphreybc | =| | 05:21 |
| donri | How stable is wubi though? Updating dad's wubi install kinda fucked it up several times until it completely stopped booting. | 05:22 |
| Red_HamsterX | Does "error", in the context of your bet, extend to syntax/punctuation? | 05:22 |
| donri | 9.10. | 05:22 |
| humphreybc | Red_HamsterX: whether it is an error is decided by Alan Pope :) | 05:22 |
| Red_HamsterX | So many names! | 05:22 |
| humphreybc | I think errors are grammar, punctuation, spelling, formatting, missing words etc | 05:22 |
| humphreybc | inconsistencies in formatting | 05:23 |
| humphreybc | donri: well wubi is included with Ubuntu by default so we need to cover it | 05:23 |
| * humphreybc is trying to think of a place to put the information about the file system structure | 05:23 | |
| Red_HamsterX | As much as I love defining editorial styles and sticking to them, I don't see myself having enough free time to grammar-nazi 150+ pages. :( | 05:24 |
| donri | Wubi is lovely if it works, but I think does more harm than good if it can't handle things like updates, and updates are enabled by default. | 05:24 |
| Red_HamsterX | How much does an average user need to know about the filesystem? | 05:24 |
| humphreybc | not a whole lot, but it might be helpful to mention how it works and is different to their C drive etc | 05:25 |
| humphreybc | also how mounting drives/ USB flash disks get incorporated into the directory structure | 05:25 |
| Red_HamsterX | Oh, right. I completely forgot about the concept of drives. | 05:26 |
| * humphreybc has finished editing prologue and installation, now to make changes | 05:26 | |
| Red_HamsterX | I thought you were going to explain something like the difference between bin and sbin and how /usr/local/ works under Debian. | 05:26 |
| * Red_HamsterX skims the chapters to provide an opinion. | 05:27 | |
| Red_HamsterX | I'd probably expect to see it in a sub-section at the start of Chapter 3. Something like "Where are my files?" or "How can I share my files with others?" | 05:30 |
| Red_HamsterX | Though both of those questions need to be covered by a single header... | 05:31 |
| Red_HamsterX | And "file system" is a term I'm sure my mother wouldn't understand. | 05:31 |
| Red_HamsterX | "CDs and USB keys: what you need to know"? | 05:32 |
| humphreybc | hm | 05:40 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, the first bug I found was in the contents | 05:45 |
| humphreybc | the glossary isn't listed in the contents | 05:45 |
| humphreybc | there appears to be a space reserved for it however | 05:45 |
| godbyk | Space reserved for it? | 05:45 |
| humphreybc | yeah, it's weird | 05:45 |
| godbyk | okay. assign me a bug and I'll look at it when I'm done with this chapter. | 05:46 |
| humphreybc | okay | 05:46 |
| godbyk | lol | 05:50 |
| godbyk | look at the suggestion for row 348 | 05:51 |
| humphreybc | hahaha | 05:52 |
| humphreybc | good man | 05:52 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, what's the correct syntax for chapter links? | 05:52 |
| godbyk | \chaplink{ch:label} | 05:53 |
| humphreybc | thought so | 05:53 |
| godbyk | If fixed almost all the bugs listed for this chapter. I'm going to print it out and edit it myself now, too. | 05:55 |
| humphreybc | awesome | 05:55 |
| godbyk | how are yours coming along? | 05:55 |
| humphreybc | good, i've marked all the bugs on paper for prologue and installation | 05:56 |
| humphreybc | just making changes in tex now | 05:56 |
| humphreybc | should finish the entire manual by sunday | 05:56 |
| godbyk | cool | 05:57 |
| humphreybc | I'm thinking, do we need our launchpad and the planet websites under contact details? | 05:57 |
| humphreybc | I would just go for home page, wiki and email | 05:57 |
| godbyk | Probably not. | 05:57 |
| humphreybc | or perhaps just our website and email | 05:57 |
| godbyk | Home page, email, and maybe IRC. | 05:58 |
| humphreybc | okay | 05:58 |
| humphreybc | IRC sounds good | 05:58 |
| godbyk | The wiki content should get moved over to our own site. | 05:58 |
| humphreybc | yeah it will do eventually | 05:58 |
| godbyk | I'm gonna sit across the room and scribble on the printout of this chapter. | 05:59 |
| humphreybc | okay | 05:59 |
| godbyk | feel free to ping me if you need anything. | 05:59 |
| humphreybc | how do I insert a # ? | 05:59 |
| humphreybc | godbyk? | 06:00 |
| godbyk | Oh, sure, wait until I just get settled in! | 06:00 |
| godbyk | Use \# | 06:00 |
| humphreybc | thanks | 06:00 |
| godbyk | Didn't you attend my LaTeX tutorial session? :) | 06:00 |
| humphreybc | shush | 06:00 |
| godbyk | http://kevin.godby.org/ubuntu-manual/talks/latex-handout.pdf | 06:01 |
| humphreybc | if you do the "conventions" section at the end of the prologue, we can mark the prologue as completely finished. | 06:01 |
| humphreybc | anyone know what the wording is on the button that is in the installer, where you can let Ubuntu detect your keyboard? | 06:19 |
| humphreybc | I've got it in here as "Guess" but I think it's something like "Let Ubuntu try to detect your keyboard" | 06:20 |
| godbyk | I don't remember what it said. | 06:22 |
| donri | humphreybc, I think it says "Guess", yes. | 08:38 |
| humphreybc | oh really? | 08:38 |
| humphreybc | that's weird | 08:38 |
| donri | I recall thinking it was somewhat cryptic, when I installed yesterdayish. | 08:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | MORE BUGS! | 08:39 |
| humphreybc | lol | 08:40 |
| donri | Bugs om nom nom. | 08:40 |
| ubuntujenkins | I think we should sort the spread sheet by page no we can sort duplicates easiyer then | 08:40 |
| humphreybc | that's a good idea | 08:42 |
| godbyk | go for it. | 08:42 |
| godbyk | that's what I did. | 08:42 |
| godbyk | I copied the spreadsheet to a local spreadsheet. | 08:42 |
| godbyk | then filtered for the pages in the chapter I was editing. | 08:42 |
| godbyk | you'll want to sort by both rev and page num. | 08:42 |
| godbyk | (since the pages change from revision to revision) | 08:42 |
| godbyk | when you guys have finished with the bulk of the edits you're working on, give me a holler and I'll upload a new draft. | 08:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | can we do it on the main sheet or will it mess the form up? | 08:44 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: good question. | 08:45 |
| godbyk | I'm pretty sure we can sort and it'll be fine. | 08:46 |
| godbyk | I don't know if auto-updates will be sorted or not. | 08:46 |
| ubuntujenkins | I guess the auto-updates will not be sorted, I have to run to lectures now I will lok later | 08:47 |
| godbyk | k | 08:47 |
| nisshh | hey all | 08:51 |
| donri | Hello some. | 08:51 |
| nisshh | hey donri, havent seen you in here before, you a team member? | 08:53 |
| donri | I'm just a consumer who does no good. | 08:54 |
| humphreybc | haha | 08:55 |
| nisshh | hehe | 08:57 |
| * humphreybc has finished editing the hell out of the prologue, installation and The Ubuntu Desktop chapters | 09:11 | |
| nisshh | nice | 09:14 |
| humphreybc | godbyk, howcome italics don't work in margin notes? | 09:30 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: because there is no italic sans serif font. | 09:30 |
| humphreybc | oh | 09:30 |
| * humphreybc has finished editing chapter 2, committing and pushing | 09:34 | |
| humphreybc | okay pushed | 09:37 |
| humphreybc | everyone pull and make the manual and observe the beauty that is the prologue, chapters 1 and 2 | 09:37 |
| donri | Is http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/ up to date? | 09:48 |
| humphreybc | should be | 09:48 |
| humphreybc | oh godbyk, can you please update the draft | 09:48 |
| godbyk | sure. | 09:48 |
| godbyk | gimme a sec. | 09:48 |
| humphreybc | hopefully we'll make some people happy as there should be 0 errors in the first three chapters now :D | 09:48 |
| humphreybc | okay maybe not 0, I have to go back through them and double check | 09:48 |
| godbyk | pushing | 09:52 |
| humphreybc | swell | 09:53 |
| godbyk | pushed | 09:53 |
| donri | The wrapping algorithm is a little weird, do you have any control over it? | 09:53 |
| donri | Page 7, a URL breaks after "http:". | 09:53 |
| humphreybc | yeah a lot of URLs are breaking after the http bit | 09:53 |
| godbyk | URLs are a pain in the butt to wrap | 09:54 |
| donri | Is it really "on-line"? | 09:54 |
| godbyk | I'm okay with online. | 09:55 |
| donri | Also, are non-technicals familiar with the term "docs"? | 09:55 |
| godbyk | spell out 'docs' -> documentation | 09:55 |
| donri | "on-line docs" in the margin notes on page 7. | 09:56 |
| donri | I read somewhere you prefer guided clicks to arrows, the first such click-steps are arrowed on page 7. "System → Help and Support". | 09:57 |
| donri | Why is it wrapping "connecting" into "connect-ing"? | 09:59 |
| godbyk | Because it can? | 10:00 |
| humphreybc | fix the wrapping you cock godbyk :) | 10:00 |
| humphreybc | :P | 10:00 |
| godbyk | LaTeX's wrapping algorithm is literally the best in existence. :) | 10:00 |
| humphreybc | uh hu | 10:00 |
| humphreybc | is that why it's stuck a screenshot just before the last word in a paragraph | 10:01 |
| humphreybc | so it goes blah blah blah blah.... SCREENSHOT.... "packages." | 10:01 |
| humphreybc | :P | 10:01 |
| godbyk | heh. | 10:01 |
| humphreybc | I destroyed all of the nice formatting in chapter 2 | 10:01 |
| humphreybc | by putting in more screenshots and margin notes | 10:01 |
| humphreybc | the worst ones are the times where it has the section header at the bottom of one page, then it has the next bit on the next page | 10:02 |
| godbyk | It has to fill the page in any way it can. | 10:02 |
| godbyk | Once all the writing is truly finalized, I'll be tweaking the formatting to make it all awesome. | 10:03 |
| donri | Does a colon feel more natural after "Ask taken from the Ubuntu website, [URL]." instead of the period (ubuntu promise, page 8)? | 10:03 |
| * humphreybc needs food | 10:03 | |
| donri | (humphreybc wanted perfection, so I'm going OCD on this. Ignore me whenever you feel like it. :)) | 10:04 |
| godbyk | donri: OCD away! | 10:04 |
| godbyk | I'm saving my OCDing until later this week. :) | 10:04 |
| donri | I can't save OCDing, as I actually have it. | 10:05 |
| humphreybc | lolo | 10:06 |
| godbyk | I nit-pick a LOT when it comes to editing things like this. | 10:06 |
| humphreybc | the manual isn't long enough | 10:06 |
| humphreybc | by the way | 10:06 |
| godbyk | So it's better if I save my energy to find the small bugs at the end than to freak out about 20 bugs per page right now. :) | 10:06 |
| donri | Missing a period in the margin note on page 8. | 10:06 |
| godbyk | I'll let others find the obvious bugs. :) | 10:06 |
| humphreybc | I purposely left out some periods where the margin note ends with a URL. | 10:07 |
| donri | Feels wrong to me. | 10:07 |
| godbyk | You should add the periods. | 10:07 |
| humphreybc | just in case people think the period is part of the URL when they're reading it off the page | 10:07 |
| godbyk | It's a complete sentence. | 10:07 |
| humphreybc | sigh | 10:07 |
| godbyk | Some notes I made about mistakes I kept seeing over and over again: | 10:07 |
| godbyk | Use American quotation marks: `` and ''. Also, following the (insane) punctuation rules, too. So commas and a lot of other punctuation goes inside the quotation marks. | 10:08 |
| humphreybc | okay | 10:08 |
| humphreybc | that's what we do in NZ too | 10:08 |
| godbyk | Title case chapter headings and sentence case section headings. (I think humphreybc fixed most these already.) | 10:09 |
| godbyk | Use serial commas. | 10:09 |
| humphreybc | "Sam," said the shop attendant, "Sam, what's the matter?" | 10:09 |
| godbyk | Make sure there are periods at the end of the sidenotes. | 10:09 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: yep. | 10:09 |
| humphreybc | that was actually a pretty nice line of dialogue, if I don't say so myself | 10:10 |
| humphreybc | (writing convincing natural sounding dialogue is the hardest thing in fiction writing) | 10:10 |
| donri | BTW, B/W will suck and if it's a difference of a few dollars... make the colored version clearly available and note its superior awesomeness. | 10:10 |
| humphreybc | It's not really a difference of a "few" dollars | 10:10 |
| humphreybc | try like, 10x more expensive | 10:10 |
| godbyk | Well, 4x as expensive. :) | 10:11 |
| humphreybc | $6 USD or $50? | 10:11 |
| donri | Oh, I thought it was $6 vs $10. | 10:11 |
| humphreybc | Or is that for the hardback version? | 10:11 |
| godbyk | Lemme look again. | 10:11 |
| humphreybc | lol | 10:11 |
| humphreybc | did you include a brick in your latest push godbyk | 10:12 |
| humphreybc | the pull is quite large | 10:12 |
| godbyk | Added a PDF. :) | 10:12 |
| donri | What VCS are you guys using? | 10:12 |
| godbyk | Standard paper (as opposed to the cheapskate paper), paperback, black and white, US letter size, perfect bound, 180 pages (estimating), single purchase = $10 | 10:14 |
| godbyk | donri: bzr | 10:14 |
| donri | Good. :) | 10:14 |
| humphreybc | not an SVN guy then? | 10:14 |
| humphreybc | I think we'll go for that one as our baseline godbyk | 10:14 |
| godbyk | Same but with color = $41.50 | 10:15 |
| donri | I'm an ex-gitting bazaar enthusiast. | 10:15 |
| humphreybc | and same with colour and hardback? | 10:15 |
| humphreybc | (do we really need hardback?) | 10:15 |
| humphreybc | (i'm going to say no) | 10:15 |
| godbyk | $51 (with slightly smaller pages) | 10:16 |
| donri | Some people probably don't mind those dollars, and hardback feels way more quality. | 10:17 |
| * humphreybc just pushed fixes to missing periods | 10:17 | |
| humphreybc | $51USD with exchange rate + shipping to countries outside of the US would be pricey | 10:17 |
| donri | Just provide cheaper options. | 10:17 |
| donri | Is this print on demand? | 10:18 |
| godbyk | humphreybc: With an extra note, even: This product is manufactured in the U.S. Shipping rates will be high for customers outside of the U.S. | 10:18 |
| godbyk | donri: yeah. lulu.com | 10:18 |
| donri | Do they only print in the U.S. though? | 10:19 |
| humphreybc | I say we do versions, both in paperback to not over confuse anyone. We're not big enough or complicated enough to deserve "hardback" status, and because we release a new version every 6 months, it's not like we have to be hardback because we don't have to last that long till the new one is released | 10:19 |
| humphreybc | do two versions* | 10:19 |
| humphreybc | books that only come out once every 10 years or so get hardback editions | 10:19 |
| godbyk | plus, we'll have all those translations to deal with. | 10:19 |
| humphreybc | I think paperback would work fine for our needs | 10:19 |
| humphreybc | so we could have Basic which is the $10 one in black and white, and Colour which is the $47 one | 10:19 |
| humphreybc | Colour could be called "Premium" or something | 10:20 |
| donri | humphreybc, hardbacks for LTS? :) | 10:20 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 10:20 |
| humphreybc | donri: didn't think about that | 10:20 |
| humphreybc | how will the translated manuals work kevin? | 10:20 |
| humphreybc | (for publishing) | 10:20 |
| godbyk | same way | 10:20 |
| godbyk | I just upload a PDF. | 10:20 |
| humphreybc | ah okay | 10:20 |
| humphreybc | one at a time? | 10:20 |
| godbyk | yep | 10:21 |
| humphreybc | righto | 10:21 |
| humphreybc | each translated PDF will need to be signed off | 10:21 |
| godbyk | yep | 10:21 |
| donri | $47 and $51 isn't that different. | 10:21 |
| godbyk | they'll have to be edited, too. | 10:21 |
| humphreybc | to ensure we aren't uploading any low quality ones, you know, with strings missing or bad formatting | 10:21 |
| humphreybc | we could do a paperback black and white edition for $10 and then a hardback colour version for $51 | 10:21 |
| * humphreybc hates to think how much it's going to cost me to get the hardback version | 10:22 | |
| donri | Maybe I could help with the Swedish translation. | 10:22 |
| humphreybc | $51 USD in NZD is about $80 NZD + shipping to NZ which would be huge | 10:22 |
| humphreybc | over $100 probably, for a manual that I am team leader for :P | 10:23 |
| humphreybc | i wonder if it would be cheaper if someone stateside bought one for me and shipped it to me, instead of lulu doing it | 10:23 |
| godbyk | Or have someone drop it off at a conference you're at or something. | 10:24 |
| humphreybc | true | 10:24 |
| humphreybc | :P | 10:24 |
| humphreybc | like... UDS? | 10:24 |
| humphreybc | cough | 10:24 |
| humphreybc | I'd probably buy at least two copies, so I can give mum one | 10:24 |
| godbyk | I don't know if they'll ship in time for UDS or not. | 10:25 |
| humphreybc | well we'll have to stick them on lulu before the 29th | 10:25 |
| humphreybc | so they can be ordered on the 29th | 10:25 |
| humphreybc | I wonder if it would be cheaper for me to get it printed in colour here | 10:25 |
| humphreybc | James Holland wants to sell our manual along with a CD and a support package | 10:29 |
| humphreybc | "On Lulu is there a way to save a project so people can order runs of it themselves? I'm looking at selling this along with a CD and support package." | 10:29 |
| humphreybc | I guess he's allowed to do that | 10:30 |
| humphreybc | it would be cool if we could bundle a CD with it | 10:30 |
| godbyk | Yeah, he can do that. | 10:30 |
| humphreybc | you know how those books have the CDs in the back cover | 10:30 |
| godbyk | And if you order in bulk, the prices go down. | 10:31 |
| * humphreybc should order in bulk and sell them on trademe | 10:31 | |
| humphreybc | lol | 10:31 |
| godbyk | I don't know about putting the CD in the book. But you can publish/order CDs via lulu.com, too. | 10:32 |
| donri | A proper, pressed shipit-like CD. | 10:32 |
| humphreybc | heh | 10:32 |
| humphreybc | Canonical should do an order for like 5000 and give them away to people | 10:32 |
| humphreybc | especially people at UDS... | 10:32 |
| humphreybc | should come with the free t shirt you get for going to UDS | 10:32 |
| humphreybc | :D | 10:32 |
| godbyk | heh | 10:33 |
| humphreybc | "here, have this t shirt and this lovely book" | 10:33 |
| * humphreybc needs to get chips | 10:33 | |
| humphreybc | back soon | 10:33 |
| donri | "Also, here are some daring pictures of Mark." | 10:33 |
| humphreybc | hahaha | 10:37 |
| donri | Hey, that's a good idea for the manual cover. | 10:38 |
| humphreybc | lol | 10:38 |
| humphreybc | everyone has this fascination with Mark | 10:38 |
| humphreybc | it's quite comical | 10:38 |
| humphreybc | and i have hot chips now | 10:38 |
| humphreybc | it's really quite cold | 10:38 |
| donri | Page 9, margin notes, weird chapter link. | 10:48 |
| humphreybc | have you been reading all this time? | 10:48 |
| donri | websites such as "YouTube and Google.com" my OCD thinks this is somewhat inconsistent. | 10:49 |
| donri | Nope. | 10:49 |
| humphreybc | did the .com because google owns youtube | 10:49 |
| humphreybc | ill probably change it | 10:49 |
| donri | And suddenly the URL-ending margin note does end in a period. At least be consistent! :) | 10:52 |
| humphreybc | hey | 10:53 |
| humphreybc | i told you to pull | 10:53 |
| humphreybc | i fixed them all | 10:53 |
| donri | rev 561? | 10:54 |
| humphreybc | i'll check hang on | 10:55 |
| humphreybc | rev 563 | 10:56 |
| humphreybc | if you pull, they'll be fixed | 10:56 |
| humphreybc | oh but do you not have latex? | 10:56 |
| donri | Then the builds site is lagging behind. | 10:56 |
| humphreybc | yeah it is | 10:56 |
| humphreybc | because godbyk has to manually run each build | 10:56 |
| godbyk | right | 10:56 |
| donri | Oh. :( | 10:56 |
| humphreybc | and he only does it when he feels like it's necessary :) | 10:56 |
| godbyk | though I ran it when you told me to push the new pdf. | 10:56 |
| godbyk | you didn't have the periods then. | 10:57 |
| donri | I totally thought that was automated. | 10:57 |
| humphreybc | nah | 10:57 |
| humphreybc | do you think the bit on Wubi should be before the main installation instructions? | 10:57 |
| humphreybc | at the moment it's not given in enough detail so i just included it near the end of the installation chapter as a sort of "after thought" type mention and explanation of what it is | 10:58 |
| godbyk | no | 10:59 |
| godbyk | I'd do wubi afterward as an alternative. | 10:59 |
| donri | Maybe hint at its existence first, referring to its section. | 11:00 |
| humphreybc | ah mattgriffin | 11:06 |
| humphreybc | just who I need to see :) | 11:07 |
| mattgriffin | heh | 11:07 |
| humphreybc | i'm sure you know what I'm going to say :P | 11:07 |
| mattgriffin | humphreybc: speak softly. just woke up | 11:07 |
| humphreybc | haha | 11:07 |
| humphreybc | okay so we're 6 days away from the writing freeze and don't have any documentation on rhythmbox, the music store or ubuntu one | 11:09 |
| mattgriffin | humphreybc: er... the rbox and music store stuff is done. it's in my branch. what do you want me to do next? | 11:11 |
| humphreybc | what format is it in? | 11:11 |
| humphreybc | plain text? | 11:11 |
| ubuntujenkins | Are its in bzr branch lp:~mattgriffin/ubuntu-manual/rbox-docs | 11:12 |
| mattgriffin | ubuntujenkins: si | 11:12 |
| * humphreybc grabs the branch | 11:12 | |
| * ubuntujenkins all ready doing it | 11:13 | |
| humphreybc | okay | 11:13 |
| humphreybc | so we need to put it into the manual and presumably add latex code to it | 11:13 |
| humphreybc | mattgriffin, have you got some documentation for Ubuntu One? | 11:13 |
| mattgriffin | humphreybc: not yet. i'll have to get to it during my afternoon. | 11:14 |
| humphreybc | okay cool | 11:14 |
| humphreybc | you don't have any official docs anywhere you can just copy? | 11:14 |
| ubuntujenkins | http://paste.ubuntu.com/400500/ ryhtam box docs | 11:14 |
| humphreybc | oh matt, you've formatted it in latex! | 11:15 |
| mattgriffin | humphreybc: most of the docs already do exist in our tutorials but some changes and additions are needed for some of the 10.04 enhancements and new features - wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/Tutorials | 11:15 |
| humphreybc | okay | 11:15 |
| ubuntujenkins | mattgriffin do you want to add it to main? | 11:15 |
| humphreybc | ubuntujenkins: we have to work out where to put it first | 11:16 |
| humphreybc | hold on | 11:16 |
| ubuntujenkins | the file for it is there | 11:16 |
| humphreybc | okay, leave it to me, i'll put it in main and push | 11:16 |
| mattgriffin | humphreybc: thanks. would i typically "Propose for merging" | 11:17 |
| humphreybc | mattgriffin: nah, we don't do merges around here, no itme | 11:17 |
| humphreybc | time* | 11:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok cool | 11:17 |
| mattgriffin | ok | 11:17 |
| humphreybc | :P | 11:17 |
| humphreybc | matt, check out http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/03/24/getting-started-with-ubuntu-10-04-in-real-life/ | 11:18 |
| mattgriffin | nice | 11:18 |
| humphreybc | :) | 11:19 |
| humphreybc | it's going to look great when it's finished and translated | 11:19 |
| ubuntujenkins | humphreybc: we need to sort out the screenshots we are now way over 52 and not all of them show in the screenshots log | 11:19 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 11:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | also how are we going to get this one? Chapter 1, page 20: Wubi in Windows 7 | 11:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | in all languages? | 11:20 |
| humphreybc | yep | 11:20 |
| humphreybc | it'll have to be | 11:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | can someone who has windows do a sample please? | 11:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | who asked for that screenshot? | 11:23 |
| humphreybc | me | 11:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | grrr you are doing them all then :-P | 11:23 |
| humphreybc | lol | 11:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | I think we will have to cu abut 10 screenshots if we wan tto stick to 50 | 11:24 |
| humphreybc | 50 isn't as important now as it used to be | 11:24 |
| humphreybc | there are some parts that desperately need screenshots | 11:24 |
| humphreybc | we can take out some of the ones taken by that dude | 11:24 |
| humphreybc | Sarantan | 11:24 |
| humphreybc | ubuntujenkins: the screenshots look good when printed: http://www.flickr.com/photos/humphreybc/4459042125/sizes/o/ | 11:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | planing to I was going to see which ones are important | 11:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | not bad suprizingly good | 11:25 |
| humphreybc | they're really nice | 11:25 |
| humphreybc | that photo doesn't do justice | 11:25 |
| humphreybc | will be really nice in colour and printed with a proper book press | 11:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | I have done about 25 sample screenshots so far I just need to work out how to do half of the others. | 11:26 |
| humphreybc | awesome | 11:26 |
| ubuntujenkins | do you have a windows 7 box? | 11:26 |
| humphreybc | godbyk and I were talking about getting all the shots in english now | 11:26 |
| humphreybc | nope i don't sorry | 11:26 |
| humphreybc | someone will though | 11:26 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am doing the english ones this week | 11:26 |
| humphreybc | fantastic :) | 11:26 |
| ubuntujenkins | we need them as samples for quickshot | 11:26 |
| humphreybc | with default theme and stuff? | 11:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | yep of course and at the right resolution | 11:27 |
| humphreybc | you're a legend | 11:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | erm ok | 11:28 |
| humphreybc | (it's a new zealand thing) | 11:29 |
| humphreybc | means you're wicked, awesome | 11:29 |
| humphreybc | etc | 11:29 |
| godbyk | You guys have fun with that. I'm off to bed. (It's 6:30 in the morning here.) :) | 11:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | I know, just not sure I am that amazing :-) | 11:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | night godbyk | 11:29 |
| humphreybc | ha | 11:29 |
| humphreybc | see ya kevin | 11:29 |
| godbyk | Ta! | 11:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | I think some of the screenshots can be used in all languages | 11:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | someone needs to format Sarantan stuff | 11:31 |
| humphreybc | ugh | 11:31 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am thinking of removing all but the screenshot that shows you where the bluetooth menu is | 11:32 |
| ubuntujenkins | some of it is ok but it needs some work | 11:33 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 11:34 |
| humphreybc | what did he actually add? | 11:34 |
| ubuntujenkins | sound and bluetooth so far one sound screen that is no help and all of the stages in the bluetootj setup | 11:34 |
| humphreybc | mattgriffin: what's your canonical email address? | 11:36 |
| mattgriffin | humphreybc: matt.griffin@canonical.com | 11:36 |
| humphreybc | the bluetooth setup can be useful i guess | 11:36 |
| humphreybc | thanks | 11:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | it is usefull but each screen isn't needed they are wel described and relitily simple | 11:36 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 11:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | *relativley | 11:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | If we keep them then we should have e-mail accout setup screens and empathy and all of the gwibber ones | 11:37 |
| humphreybc | we're not going to keep those ones | 11:37 |
| ubuntujenkins | good I shall remove them now | 11:38 |
| * humphreybc is pushing the rbox docs in the manual now | 11:39 | |
| ubuntujenkins | ok | 11:39 |
| humphreybc | so pull before you make any changes to anything please :) | 11:39 |
| humphreybc | ubuntujenkins: when do you estimate you'll have all of the screenshots completed in english? | 11:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | erm hopefully friday night I have a test this week and i am having issues with virtualbox | 11:41 |
| humphreybc | okay | 11:41 |
| humphreybc | great | 11:41 |
| ubuntujenkins | if i am lucky 70% tonight | 11:41 |
| humphreybc | start putting them in main | 11:41 |
| humphreybc | but don't remove the screenshotTODO command that contains the description | 11:42 |
| humphreybc | just comment it for now | 11:42 |
| ubuntujenkins | will, do I need godbyk to make the ones that are already there to show in the screenshot log | 11:42 |
| humphreybc | true, talk to him | 11:42 |
| humphreybc | we need to make sure we finalize all the wording for the captions before writing freeze | 11:42 |
| ubuntujenkins | I asked hm but he had dogy internet | 11:42 |
| humphreybc | so if we have the screenshots it'll be much easier to write good captions | 11:42 |
| ubuntujenkins | cool | 11:42 |
| humphreybc | somehow we need to have the descriptions remain so you guys can put them into quickshot | 11:43 |
| godbyk-android2 | Remind me again when I wake up. | 11:43 |
| humphreybc | godbyk-android2: okay | 11:43 |
| humphreybc | i'll email you now :) | 11:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | will do godbyk-android2 | 11:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | also i ahev aproblem with no network icon in the quickshot user | 11:44 |
| humphreybc | have you tried a killall gnome-panel? | 11:44 |
| humphreybc | that usually fixes it | 11:45 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will try it in a moment | 11:45 |
| * ubuntujenkins screenshots changes pushed | 11:57 | |
| ubuntujenkins | mattgriffin comments on my bug :-) | 12:00 |
| mattgriffin | ubuntujenkins: which one was that? | 12:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | bug 544458 | 12:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | can't play all songs samples | 12:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | bot bug #544458 | 12:01 |
| humphreybc | manualbot aint here | 12:01 |
| humphreybc | he died :( | 12:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | I just realized sad day | 12:01 |
| mattgriffin | ubuntujenkins: yeah. that would be a cool feature. got a meeting in 2 hours to review all of the bugs so far so just getting ready. | 12:02 |
| ubuntujenkins | amazon has it I found it anoying on first use | 12:02 |
| ubuntujenkins | and seven digital site has it | 12:03 |
| humphreybc | matt, you know my bugs | 12:03 |
| humphreybc | :) | 12:03 |
| luke-quickshot | humphreybc, killall gnome-panel doesn't help | 12:05 |
| humphreybc | that sucks | 12:06 |
| luke-quickshot | who wrote security? | 12:11 |
| humphreybc | nisshh | 12:11 |
| humphreybc | howcome? | 12:11 |
| humphreybc | it needs a lot of work | 12:11 |
| luke-quickshot | well he would like a screenshot of gufw but quickshot is an unprivaliged user and getting that screenshot is hard | 12:12 |
| humphreybc | ah | 12:12 |
| humphreybc | forget it then | 12:12 |
| luke-quickshot | one off the list | 12:12 |
| luke-quickshot | what about chapter 2? This one is a good idea but is also not possible NOT POSSIBLE - Chapter 2, page 27: Resize mouse pointer that appears when resizing window | 12:14 |
| luke-quickshot | and who did chapter 1? | 12:14 |
| humphreybc | i did chapter 1 | 12:15 |
| humphreybc | yeah the resizing mouse pointer thing might be a mission | 12:16 |
| humphreybc | remove that. | 12:16 |
| luke-quickshot | woo | 12:16 |
| luke-quickshot | I like the idea though | 12:16 |
| luke-quickshot | also why have we got two Chapter 1, page 12: Ubuntu Live CD `Welcome' screen | 12:17 |
| luke-quickshot | Chapter 1, page 14: Ubuntu Live CD `Welcome' screen in chapter one | 12:17 |
| luke-quickshot | are they ment to be the same thing? | 12:17 |
| humphreybc | no | 12:17 |
| humphreybc | one of them is now removed | 12:18 |
| humphreybc | or should be | 12:18 |
| humphreybc | I fixed that in like revision 561 or something | 12:18 |
| luke-quickshot | ok the list in the wuickshot user is out of dat by a few hours i guess | 12:19 |
| humphreybc | yeah | 12:20 |
| luke-quickshot | humphreybc, are you running lucid? | 12:23 |
| humphreybc | yep | 12:23 |
| luke-quickshot | do you have a music cd? | 12:24 |
| humphreybc | yep | 12:24 |
| humphreybc | I'll take that screenshot for you soon :) | 12:24 |
| luke-quickshot | thanks i have none at uni | 12:24 |
| humphreybc | is it of the CD playlist screen | 12:24 |
| humphreybc | ? | 12:24 |
| luke-quickshot | nope | 12:24 |
| humphreybc | if it's just of the main window there will be no music | 12:25 |
| luke-quickshot | put the cd in and open up rytham box and just show the main screen. I think thats what mattgriffin ment by \screenshotTODO{Rhythmbox application with a CD inserted} | 12:25 |
| humphreybc | mattgriffin: can you clarify please | 12:25 |
| mattgriffin | luke-quickshot: yes | 12:25 |
| humphreybc | okay cool | 12:25 |
| luke-quickshot | thanks | 12:26 |
| mattgriffin | thank you | 12:26 |
| luke-quickshot | I will be back | 12:28 |
| ubuntujenkins | jaminday1: are you editing any files at the moment? | 13:48 |
| jaminday1 | hey ubuntujenkins, no not right at this moment. | 13:48 |
| jaminday1 | I just got home and about to go to bed | 13:49 |
| jaminday1 | how come? | 13:49 |
| ubuntujenkins | thats ok then I am adding screenshots thats all adn didn't want our work to clashif we edit the same file | 13:49 |
| jaminday1 | ah ok, no problem | 13:49 |
| jaminday1 | I'm off work next two days so in about 8 hours i'll be getting stuck into it good and proper | 13:50 |
| jaminday1 | 48 hour bug-fixing marrathon! | 13:50 |
| ubuntujenkins | nice I will have done most of them by then | 13:50 |
| jaminday1 | *marathon | 13:50 |
| jaminday1 | cool good work | 13:50 |
| jaminday1 | How big a problem would it be if a screenshot changed as I go through tomorrow | 13:50 |
| ubuntujenkins | As long as its not all of them, I expect you will want to change the captions I ahev removed some since last time you looked | 13:51 |
| ubuntujenkins | *some screenshots | 13:51 |
| jaminday1 | ah ok. If there's any screenshot stuff that really needs changing i will let you know, but otherwise will try and keep things as is if possible | 13:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | Thats fine with me. | 13:53 |
| jaminday1 | Will you be around tomorrow? | 13:54 |
| jaminday1 | (Well, might not be tomorrow for you) | 13:54 |
| ubuntujenkins | erm I have a day of lectures I will leave irc on and just ping me I will look when i get back i am gmt time | 13:55 |
| jaminday1 | cool sounds good | 13:55 |
| ubuntujenkins | bzr push | 13:58 |
| * ubuntujenkins thinks this screenshot needs a crop http://imagebin.org/90168 | 16:02 | |
| ubuntujenkins | is Elan Kugelmass here? | 16:18 |
| Red_HamsterX | Cropped? Why? I like black. | 16:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | i just seams a waste of ink | 16:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | there are 34 sample screenshots on the quickshot branch now | 16:23 |
| Red_HamsterX | Yay. | 16:24 |
| Red_HamsterX | Also, <sarcasm/> | 16:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | there will be more soon | 16:24 |
| Red_HamsterX | More sarcasm or reference screenshots? | 16:25 |
| Red_HamsterX | I hope for both. | 16:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | more screenshots | 16:25 |
| === Hawk_ is now known as Guest98500 | ||
| === Guest98500 is now known as rudi | ||
| dutchie | o/ | 17:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello dutchie o/ | 18:10 |
| godbyk | I'm back now. | 18:35 |
| godbyk | Though I may have to disappear in a hurry when the Internet repair guy shows up. | 18:35 |
| dutchie | "Hi, I'm here to fix The Internet" | 18:35 |
| godbyk | (Of course the Internet is working right now, but I'm going to have him check the signal on the lines anyway.) | 18:35 |
| * dutchie thinks that fixing the internet would require a very large spanner | 18:36 | |
| dutchie | and a colossal amount of duct tape | 18:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello godbyk | 18:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | duck tape ftw | 18:36 |
| godbyk | Hey, ubuntujenkins. | 18:37 |
| godbyk | duct tape is awesome. | 18:37 |
| ubuntujenkins | have you seen the screenshots there are more | 18:37 |
| ubuntujenkins | only 20 left to take | 18:37 |
| godbyk | I was just reading through the bzr logs | 18:37 |
| godbyk | nice! | 18:37 |
| godbyk | So one thing we can do is leave the \screenshotTODO commands and I'll just make them write to the file but not draw anything in the PDF. | 18:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | any thought on these 3 Chapter 8, page 136: Screenshot of a virtual terminal (i.e. ctrl-alt-F1) | 18:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | Chapter 8, page 137: GRUB screen with Rescue Mode option highlighted Chapter 1, page 20: Installation: The Ubuntu login window | 18:38 |
| godbyk | The \screenshot command will draw an empty box and say 'file not found' if you point it at a non-existent file. | 18:38 |
| godbyk | So that can serve as the placeholder. | 18:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | that would work godbyk I haven't removed them | 18:38 |
| godbyk | Oooh.. um.. fake them? | 18:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | I knoticed I pointed it a the wrong file name | 18:38 |
| godbyk | Or snag them from a virtualbox session? | 18:38 |
| Red_HamsterX | Couldn't you also just pipe the file through sed/'grep -v' before compiling it? | 18:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | I can't get a virtual box to go to 1024X786 | 18:39 |
| Red_HamsterX | 768* | 18:39 |
| dutchie | my laptop is held together with duct tape | 18:39 |
| godbyk | So's my brain. | 18:45 |
| godbyk | I'm going to make a series of commits for simple, but global changes. Like ensuring that "Internet" is always capitalized and "email" is spelled without the hyphen. Will that adversely affect anyone at the moment? | 19:05 |
| ubuntujenkins | not here | 19:05 |
| godbyk | 'kay. | 19:06 |
| godbyk | I'll brb. gonna fix a sandwich. | 19:11 |
| === Administrateur is now known as Daker | ||
| Daker | hi @all | 19:16 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello Daker | 19:16 |
| Daker | working ? | 19:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | revising | 19:17 |
| godbyk | back | 19:20 |
| godbyk | Internet repair guys will be here in about 10 minutes. Yay. | 19:45 |
| * ubuntujenkins well humphreybc can't have his wubi screenshots, the wubi doesn't work in windows 7 (at the moment) | 20:04 | |
| godbyk | Okay, I'm back now. | 20:27 |
| godbyk | We just replaced a bunch of the cable splitters with barrel connectors since I'm not using most of the connections anyway. | 20:28 |
| godbyk | So that should improve the signal on the line and make my Internet work smoother. | 20:28 |
| godbyk | We'll see how it goes, I guess. | 20:28 |
| godbyk | :) | 20:28 |
| ubuntujenkins | we shall in deed | 20:28 |
| * dutchie has another shot at doing a deb package | 20:30 | |
| godbyk | dutchie: a deb for the manual or for quickshot? | 20:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | manual | 20:35 |
| dutchie | so we can have auto-updated dailies | 20:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | quickshot is easy "quickly package" | 20:35 |
| godbyk | nice. | 20:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | dutchie debs look veyr hard | 20:40 |
| dutchie | they are hard to do right | 20:41 |
| dutchie | a cat has come to help | 20:42 |
| godbyk | dutchie: Is it possible to pull down the latest .po files without affecting the translators? | 20:42 |
| dutchie | you can make LP email them to you iirc | 20:42 |
| godbyk | (Just so I can see how the various translations are progressing.) | 20:42 |
| dutchie | godbyk: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/main/+export | 20:44 |
| godbyk | thanks. | 20:45 |
| godbyk | and that'll just email me the files that I can dump into our po/ dir? | 20:45 |
| ubuntujenkins | it e-mails you a link | 20:45 |
| dutchie | to a tarball | 20:45 |
| godbyk | okay | 20:46 |
| godbyk | you'd better stick around to hold my hand. I don't want to bork something and have hundreds of angry translators storming my house. :) | 20:46 |
| dutchie | heh | 20:47 |
| dutchie | don't think you can go too far wrong just extracting the tarball into the po dir | 20:47 |
| dutchie | it's when you start mucking around with po4a deleting old translations that things can end up in a mess | 20:47 |
| godbyk | gotcha. | 20:48 |
| godbyk | Browsers used by visitors to ubuntu-manual.org: | 20:53 |
| godbyk | Firefox: 57.67% | 20:53 |
| godbyk | Chrome 27.04% | 20:53 |
| godbyk | IE: 5.06% | 20:53 |
| godbyk | Mozilla: 4.08% | 20:53 |
| godbyk | Opera: 3.64% | 20:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | nice | 20:55 |
| * dutchie thinks the branch is far too big :O | 20:57 | |
| ubuntujenkins | I will be back I am going to do the installtion screenshot | 21:05 |
| inetpro | godbyk: nice, and the actual numbers? | 21:08 |
| godbyk | The number to match those percentages? Or visitors each day? | 21:11 |
| godbyk | The percentage align to 5519, 2588, 484, 390, and 348, respectively. | 21:11 |
| godbyk | On March 22, we had 1,015 visitors. | 21:11 |
| godbyk | Though that number may be a bit short because I didn't have the analytics running the entire time. | 21:12 |
| godbyk | (I hadn't added the stats code to Daker's new site and just remembered later in the day.) | 21:12 |
| godbyk | woohoo! new translations are here. | 21:15 |
| godbyk | let me drop them in. | 21:15 |
| godbyk | bah! | 21:16 |
| godbyk | I have to rename them. | 21:16 |
| godbyk | lame! | 21:16 |
| godbyk | yay, bash! for i in ubuntu-manual-*.po; do mv $i `echo $i | cut -d"-" -f3`; done | 21:18 |
| godbyk | dutchie: do I want to use the .pot files that came from that launchpad tgz, too? | 21:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | clean install in 15 minutes ubuntu rules | 21:21 |
| godbyk | or will that hork the translators' work? | 21:21 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: nice! | 21:21 |
| dutchie | godbyk: no, leave the .pot file as-is | 21:21 |
| dutchie | godbyk: you know you can do that all in one go with suitable tar options? | 21:21 |
| dutchie | namely --exclude=*.pot --transform='s/ubuntu-manual-(.*\.po)/\1/' | 21:22 |
| dutchie | godbyk: can you give me a list of build-time dependencies (just for the non-localised version for now)? | 21:24 |
| godbyk | dutchie: what kind of deps are you looking for? | 21:24 |
| godbyk | the install-pkgs.sh lists most of them | 21:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | is any one editing chapter 1? | 21:24 |
| dutchie | are all of those really needed? | 21:24 |
| dutchie | ubuntujenkins: I think Ben is | 21:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | now? | 21:25 |
| godbyk | dutchie: and what command do those options apply to? | 21:25 |
| dutchie | tar | 21:26 |
| dutchie | ubuntujenkins: more or less | 21:26 |
| godbyk | well, they're needed to guarantee that any of the translations will compile. | 21:26 |
| godbyk | you'll need all the TeX packages listed there. | 21:26 |
| ubuntujenkins | he isn't viewing the bug doc dutchie, i just need to add the screenshots | 21:26 |
| godbyk | but not all the fonts (Ubuntu pkgs) | 21:26 |
| godbyk | ah, gotcha. I didn't know what files were in the tarball, though. :) | 21:27 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: oh, go for it. | 21:30 |
| godbyk | he's not actively editing right this moment. | 21:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | I don't think so | 21:31 |
| godbyk | crap.. I broke something. :-( | 21:31 |
| * dutchie likes semi-transparent terminals | 21:33 | |
| ubuntujenkins | .me agrees | 21:34 |
| * ubuntujenkins agrees | 21:34 | |
| dutchie | I can read the description off the website straight into my editor | 21:34 |
| godbyk | I didn't break something, wolter did. ha! | 21:34 |
| * godbyk was trying to figure out how adding two little commas broke the build! | 21:34 | |
| ubuntujenkins | what did he break it with? | 21:34 |
| godbyk | as soon as I've fixed it, I'll let you know. :) | 21:36 |
| ubuntujenkins | probably a typo we all make mistakes | 21:37 |
| godbyk | I think it was adding \begin{comment} and \end{comment} in the middle of a list. | 21:37 |
| godbyk | well, that fixed one problem. | 21:37 |
| godbyk | now he's got a \then outside of the \menu command. | 21:37 |
| godbyk | I understand making mistakes. I make plenty of typos. | 21:39 |
| godbyk | It would be helpful (and save me a lot of grief) if people would try compiling their stuff before they commit it, though. | 21:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | true, i always do \textbf{} and \textfb{} | 21:39 |
| godbyk | Spurious closing brace. | 21:40 |
| godbyk | I think it's compiling okay now. | 21:40 |
| godbyk | lemme commit those fixes | 21:40 |
| godbyk | okay, pushed. | 21:41 |
| ubuntujenkins | ta | 21:41 |
| dutchie | that's going to wreak havoc with my debianisation | 21:42 |
| godbyk | heh. | 21:42 |
| godbyk | aren't you just wrapping a PDF up into a deb? | 21:42 |
| ubuntujenkins | if you wait 5 mins you can have screenshots as well | 21:42 |
| godbyk | dutchie: obviously the solution is for you to be less efficient. :) | 21:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | how do i find my bzr revison number? | 21:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | bzr revno | 21:44 |
| dutchie | godbyk: heh | 21:47 |
| ubuntujenkins | pushed more screenshots :-) | 21:47 |
| dutchie | godbyk: I'm having to completely rewrap the CC license | 21:47 |
| dutchie | s/license/licence/ | 21:47 |
| * dutchie will retain his britishness | 21:47 | |
| godbyk | What do you mean "re-wrap"? | 21:48 |
| dutchie | make look reasonable | 21:49 |
| godbyk | Ah, go for it. | 21:49 |
| dutchie | seeing as it was in a horrible format copied from the CC website | 21:49 |
| godbyk | I haven't done any formatting of the licenses yet. | 21:50 |
| godbyk | Others have done that for me. :) | 21:50 |
| dutchie | yeah, I'm in plain text | 21:50 |
| dutchie | it's a huge pain | 21:50 |
| godbyk | Feel free to set the all-caps text inside the \smallcaps{STOP SHOUTING SO LOUDLY} command. | 21:50 |
| ubuntujenkins | there are now 42 screenshots in the manual only 12 to go | 21:50 |
| godbyk | It'll make things look 200% better right there. | 21:50 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: can we see what it looks like if we centre the screenshots? some of the small ones look odd at the moment | 21:51 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: I originally had them centered and I was told to make them right-aligned. :) | 21:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | I thought you did, tell the person who said right aligned to see what they think then | 21:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | I think they now look silly | 21:52 |
| godbyk | I think it may have been thorwil;. I don't recall. But yet, I'll mention it. | 21:52 |
| ubuntujenkins | cool | 21:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | thorwill is an artist i am not | 21:53 |
| godbyk | Did Ilya ever figure out what we're to do about the licenses? | 21:53 |
| ubuntujenkins | I don't know, last thing i remeber was don't translate our selves if there isn't one in that language put the english one in | 21:55 |
| godbyk | Right. But then we found a ton of translations on the CC site, and I thought there was some debate over whether we could/should use them. | 21:58 |
| ubuntujenkins | I can't remember I think the idea was to use the ones from the cc site. | 21:59 |
| ubuntujenkins | it was a while ago | 21:59 |
| dutchie | I think we did decide to use the ones from CC | 21:59 |
| dutchie | not sure though | 22:00 |
| godbyk | just curious. | 22:00 |
| godbyk | we should get that settled soonish. | 22:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | what are people thoughts on this screenshot? Chapter 3, page 65: Small view of the message list, showing column headers and a few email messages my only thought it the messages, if you look in the empathy screenshots you will see i used quickshot@ubuntu-manual.org as an e-mail account | 22:06 |
| ubuntujenkins | but we don't want every one to know the password if we set an account up as that | 22:06 |
| ubuntujenkins | not that it is needed | 22:07 |
| godbyk | I could set up a quickshot@ubuntu-manual.org account. | 22:08 |
| ubuntujenkins | I guess we could create an empathy back up file for people to import but how easys would it be for people to work out the password for the accout? | 22:09 |
| ubuntujenkins | and we don't want random e-mails showing in the window people could start sending al sorts to the account | 22:10 |
| * dutchie thinks he is going to get quite deep into debian packaging black magic | 22:12 | |
| ubuntujenkins | write a script to do it each day, it looks sssssssssoooooooooo hard | 22:12 |
| dutchie | once it's done, it's done | 22:13 |
| dutchie | I just have to work out how to call dpkg-gencontrol and dpkg-deb | 22:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | but how do you get it to auto update? | 22:13 |
| dutchie | you just cron it to build every day | 22:14 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am so glad quickshot is quickly | 22:15 |
| godbyk | Whenever I've looked into packaging, I've been cared off. | 22:15 |
| godbyk | Where's the one-button package creation tool? | 22:16 |
| dutchie | debhelper 7 with the miniscule control file? | 22:17 |
| * dutchie isn't using that ;) | 22:18 | |
| * dutchie is doing it by hand | 22:18 | |
| godbyk | that doesn't sound fun. | 22:19 |
| dutchie | top tip: do not try and inhale muffins | 22:19 |
| ubuntujenkins | what falvor? | 22:19 |
| ubuntujenkins | *flavour? | 22:20 |
| dutchie | home-made banana | 22:20 |
| ubuntujenkins | nom nom I had and orange and rasin today | 22:20 |
| godbyk | New translations/builds: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/ | 22:21 |
| godbyk | I'm going to fix banana bread later this evening. | 22:21 |
| * ubuntujenkins has 5 bananas next to him | 22:21 | |
| dutchie | these are basically banana bread in muffin shape | 22:22 |
| dutchie | s/are/were/ | 22:22 |
| godbyk | dutchie: When I've fixed latex-related typos in the translations, I've always edited the .po file and fixed it in launchpad. | 22:23 |
| godbyk | what's the best way to fix translation bugs like that? | 22:23 |
| dutchie | fix it in LP and let it trickle through | 22:23 |
| * dutchie builds his package | 22:24 | |
| godbyk | 'kay | 22:24 |
| * dutchie is not optimistic | 22:24 | |
| * ubuntujenkins hopes it works then i can do another screenshot | 22:24 | |
| dutchie | ERROR: The build failed | 22:27 |
| dutchie | well that was a surprise | 22:27 |
| dutchie | ubuntujenkins: knock yourself out, the branches are already diverged | 22:28 |
| ubuntujenkins | what who messed it up? | 22:28 |
| dutchie | ubuntujenkins: I've had it branched for a while | 22:29 |
| dutchie | I'll try rebasing | 22:29 |
| dutchie | there aren't going to be any conflicts | 22:30 |
| ubuntujenkins | o i see i thought you ment main had been messed up. I would like the ppa screenshot to be of our ppa you see | 22:30 |
| dutchie | you'll be lucky to see it tonight I should think | 22:31 |
| ubuntujenkins | thats fine i can see how much of a pain it is I looked online | 22:32 |
| ubuntujenkins | I hope cononical don't change the default theme | 22:40 |
| donri | Who likes the buttons? :) | 22:41 |
| ubuntujenkins | I set them back to the right | 22:41 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am use to the max, min close thing now | 22:41 |
| donri | I quite like the for myself, but fear how it might confuse others. | 22:42 |
| * dutchie doesn't actually care | 22:42 | |
| donri | You can change the order too, you know. | 22:42 |
| donri | Oh but that's ugly in that theme? | 22:42 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will set it to the right for my family, I know you can change the order but it then looks awful | 22:42 |
| donri | Need better theme engines! | 22:43 |
| godbyk | frak | 22:45 |
| godbyk | Sometimes LaTeX packages are a total pain in the butt. | 22:45 |
| godbyk | To get the Arabic (and other languages) set properly as right-to-left, I want to use the 'bidi' package | 22:46 |
| godbyk | The bidi package wants to be loaded last so it can modify all the code that comes before it. | 22:46 |
| dutchie | but so do all the other packages | 22:46 |
| godbyk | But the document class (tufte-book) needs to modify the footnote and citation code to put things in the margin and bidi will overwrite that code if it's loaded afterward. | 22:47 |
| godbyk | Thus begins the race to see who's hand ends up on top. | 22:47 |
| godbyk | I think the best solution would be to see if I can modify tufte-book to wait until after the bidi package has been loaded to do its modifications. | 22:48 |
| godbyk | But that may be tricky. | 22:48 |
| * dutchie wonders whether him or godbyk has the harder job | 22:48 | |
| godbyk | heh | 22:48 |
| dutchie | ooh, nearly ready to have another go at building | 22:49 |
| godbyk | at least I wrote the tufte-book class, so I can modify it freely. :) | 22:49 |
| * godbyk may have to spend a couple hours to build a quick website/database that can track the dependency trees of latex packages. | 22:50 | |
| godbyk | so I can pull up the page on bidi for instance, and see that it requires these other packages, it must be loaded before package X but after package Y, that it's compatible with packages A, B, and C, but incompatible with packages D, E, and F, etc. | 22:51 |
| godbyk | that is obsoletes package P and supercedes package Q. | 22:51 |
| dutchie | \o/ another failed build | 22:52 |
| godbyk | lol | 22:52 |
| godbyk | what part of the build is failing? | 22:52 |
| godbyk | latex-related or deb-related? | 22:52 |
| dutchie | getting the dependecies | 22:52 |
| dutchie | I suspect the latex bit will work fine | 22:52 |
| godbyk | what dependencies? | 22:52 |
| godbyk | if you're just packaging a pdf, there are no dependencies. it's a pdf. right? | 22:52 |
| dutchie | dependencies for final package != dependencies for building said package | 22:53 |
| godbyk | Gotcha. | 22:53 |
| godbyk | How are you attempting to get the dependencies to build the package? | 22:53 |
| dutchie | is there a minimal set of texlive packages? | 22:54 |
| jaminday | Mornin all | 22:54 |
| dutchie | you specify a Build-Depends line in the control file | 22:54 |
| godbyk | dutchie: remember, we require tex live 2009.. the tex live 2007 packages in karmic won't work. | 22:54 |
| ubuntujenkins | morning jaminday | 22:54 |
| dutchie | I'm on lucid | 22:54 |
| * dutchie is unlikely to even attempt doing karmic for a while | 22:55 | |
| ubuntujenkins | I never had any luck with lucid packages i downloaded it as per the wiki | 22:55 |
| godbyk | I don't know what state the lucid tex live packages are in. | 22:56 |
| dutchie | hmm, it says that ttf-linux-libertine is a virtual package | 22:56 |
| godbyk | I just went straight for the TL2009 downloads directly because it's easier to keep them up to date than to rely on ubuntu. | 22:56 |
| godbyk | (esp. since I'm doing dev work using latex.) | 22:56 |
| godbyk | dutchie: what's it point to? did they rename it? | 22:56 |
| ubuntujenkins | I had the packges about 2 months ago but after perstering godbyk with all my errors i use the downloads no problems with them at all | 22:56 |
| dutchie | I think I will get the manual to build properly outside the debian build system | 22:57 |
| dutchie | the install-pkgs script isn't finding my version of texlive | 22:58 |
| godbyk | what version do you have installed? | 22:59 |
| godbyk | what does 'which tlmgr' return? | 22:59 |
| dutchie | which tlmgr gives nothing, but I installed tl-full 2009 out of the lucid repos | 23:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | all do a pull i broke main for 2 mins then | 23:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | forgot bzr add doh! | 23:01 |
| godbyk | do they package the tlmgr program? | 23:01 |
| dutchie | it seems not | 23:01 |
| godbyk | that's what the install-pkgs.sh script relies on for installing TeX dependencies (and checking that TL2009 is installed). | 23:01 |
| dutchie | could be a problem there then | 23:02 |
| dutchie | godbyk: are you going to change the install-pkgs.sh script then? | 23:07 |
| godbyk | dutchie: in what way? | 23:07 |
| dutchie | so it works on lucid? ;) | 23:07 |
| godbyk | It does as long as you stop trying to get away with using Lucid's packages. :-) | 23:08 |
| dutchie | this is very hard when you need to build a deb package | 23:08 |
| godbyk | I could add a command-line flag to say 'assume TL2009 is installed', but if it doesn't have tlmgr, the script can't install any missing dependencies anyway, so it's rather useless. | 23:09 |
| dutchie | in theory, it's probably *just about* possible | 23:09 |
| dutchie | (to use upstream packages) | 23:09 |
| * dutchie wonders why lucid doesn't ship tlmgr then | 23:09 | |
| godbyk | do you have all the texlive packages installed? | 23:10 |
| godbyk | lemme see if tlmgr exists anywhere. | 23:10 |
| dutchie | I've got texlive-full installed, and I serached on packages.ubuntu.com | 23:10 |
| godbyk | dutchie: doesn't look good: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=tlmgr&mode=exactfilename&suite=lucid&arch=any | 23:10 |
| dutchie | so what does tlmgr actually do? | 23:12 |
| godbyk | dutchie: it's basically apt-get for latex packages. | 23:12 |
| godbyk | or like cpan | 23:12 |
| dutchie | can apt-get not be used? | 23:12 |
| dutchie | that would probably be an ideal solution | 23:13 |
| godbyk | it downloads the packages from ctan.org, not ubuntu. | 23:13 |
| godbyk | they're not .debs | 23:13 |
| godbyk | but .tgz | 23:13 |
| dutchie | are they not in ubuntu? | 23:13 |
| godbyk | I don't know. | 23:13 |
| godbyk | When I first looked at the lucid packages a couple months ago, I couldn't tell what state they were in. | 23:13 |
| godbyk | but there are a lot fewer texlive packages in lucid than in karmic, I think. | 23:14 |
| ubuntujenkins | I am off guys night night o/ | 23:14 |
| dutchie | fewer? | 23:14 |
| godbyk | G'night, ubuntujenkins! | 23:14 |
| godbyk | dutchie: also, we need the bleeding edge version of polyglossia for our translations. | 23:15 |
| godbyk | (that is, I'm running the version of polyglossia from git, in fact.) | 23:15 |
| dutchie | translations are not a priority right now | 23:16 |
| dutchie | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=ccicons.sty&mode=exactfilename&suite=karmic&arch=any :( | 23:17 |
| === _thumper_ is now known as thumper | ||
| dutchie | hmm | 23:19 |
| dutchie | at the end of newsnight (exactly as serious as it sounds), they just played http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5SX3A-ifME | 23:19 |
| godbyk | lol. why? | 23:21 |
| dutchie | no idea whatsoever | 23:21 |
| dutchie | that is the british equivalent to country and western | 23:21 |
| dutchie | you can see why it's not so popular | 23:21 |
| godbyk | sounds better than the country/western crap we have over here. :) | 23:22 |
| dutchie | heh | 23:22 |
| dutchie | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btEpF334Rtc was their big hit | 23:22 |
| godbyk | impressive. ;-) | 23:23 |
| godbyk | my last paying job was working on a simulator of a combine harvester. :) | 23:24 |
| * dutchie wonders if that song is in the U1MS | 23:24 | |
| * godbyk has the urge to design/create a new web interface for ctan.org. | 23:25 | |
| godbyk | Damn it.. I don't need *more* project ideas! | 23:26 |
| godbyk | dutchie: http://groups.google.com/group/comp.text.tex/browse_thread/thread/bc81e38cabb35249# | 23:58 |
| dutchie | gah | 23:58 |
| dutchie | just as I was going to bed, you have to go and distract me | 23:58 |
| godbyk | It's a quick read. And a bit of a bummer. | 23:59 |
| dutchie | yeah | 23:59 |
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