=== kamalm is now known as kamalm-away === bladernr__ is now known as bladernr_ === celthunder is now known as Guest35239 === celthundar is now known as celthunder === robbiew_ is now known as robbiew === kamalm-away is now known as kamalm [16:01] heya [16:01] hello [16:01] hiya [16:01] afternoon [16:01] #startmeeting [16:01] Meeting started at 11:01. The chair is cjwatson. [16:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:02] let me just quickly create an agenda ... [16:02] hi [16:03] hi [16:03] hey [16:04] this also gives my bug list script a little more time to run [16:05] hi === doko__ is now known as doko [16:06] * slangasek waves [16:06] right [16:07] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0324 [16:07] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0324 [16:07] Keybuk: here? [16:07] >>> print ', '.join(order) [16:07] mvo, slangasek, ev, tremolux, lool, doko, cjwatson, james_w, Keybuk, barry [16:07] worked on software-center and upgrade issues (update-manager), buried ratings&reviews for lucid, will work on upgrade bugs, beta-2 items [16:07] (done) [16:08] worked on: beta [16:08] [TOPIC] Lightning round [16:08] New Topic: Lightning round [16:08] (whoops) [16:08] oh I see how it is [16:08] ;) [16:08] working on: UbuntuSpec:foundations-lucid-supportable-binaries [16:08] (done) [16:08] cjwatson: nope, I'm other there --> [16:08] fixed quite a few beta-2 bugs, working on getting the rest sorted and the last oem-config work item finished, landing branches now that all my freeze exceptions have been granted (thanks pitti!) [16:08] (done) [16:09] Continue Software Center bug fixes and triage, other tasks as needed. [16:09] (done) [16:09] Fixed small build issues in qemu-maemo and packaged it in my PPA (Beagle and N900 support!); worked on a cross-compilation presentation [16:09] (done) [16:10] sorry [16:10] * packages for final python releases [16:10] * llvm prerelease pacakges [16:10] * minor toolchain updates [16:10] * python bug triage [16:10] (done) [16:10] done: helped with beta-1 plymouth/upstart confusion, let's have no more of this :-); grub lvm/raid fixups, localisation fixes, various upgrade fixes; fairly serious bug catchup; filed FFe request for ntfs-3g [16:10] todo: figure out why my raid test system can't get past the initramfs; look at raising grub-installer MBR question priority again in d-i; more partitioning cleanup [16:10] -- [16:11] Last week I was mostly fixing the Plymouth bugs that stopped us releasing Beta 1 on time. [16:11] This week I've been mostly introducing new Plymouth bugs that will stop us releasing Beta 2 on time. [16:11] -- [16:11] completed computer janitor refactoring; branch landed; FFe submitted; bug triage. worked a little bit on ratings and reviews; officially deferred until 10.10. pep 3147; more test fixing and mailing list discussions; pep updated. upgraded main dev box to lucid \o/. update manager bug 132311; tracker discussion; bug triage. little bit of work on launchpad mailing lists. lazr.enum packaging for universe; b [16:11] Launchpad bug 132311 in update-manager "update-manager should remove more old kernels" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/132311 [16:12] Keybuk: not funny :P [16:12] Working on Launchpad to get some things we need for UDD to progress, as well as sponsoring, archive admin etc. Plan for more of the same, but hope to wrap up this first set of LP branches soon. [16:12] -- [16:13] slangasek: I'm not the one who introduced a broken patch to Plymouth *at the very last minute* [16:13] :D [16:13] Keybuk: it was only lightly broken :) [16:14] suuure, what's a segfault between friends? :p [16:14] hrm? [16:14] anyway, banter aside, let's let cjwatson get on with the meeting [16:14] like I say, I'm desperately hoping my script will finish in time :) [16:15] [TOPIC] Outstanding actions from last meeting [16:15] New Topic: Outstanding actions from last meeting [16:15] cjwatson to spec out requirements for launchpadlib bug report script [16:15] requirement is "add assignee column to the reports we're using" [16:15] barry to implement script [16:15] Keybuk: that patch didn't cause any segfaults that I've seen, only a mountall assert? (The fix for which is in bzr and I'd like to upload - is the branch in a state that I can do so?) [16:15] since I only produced the requirement today, I decided to do it myself ;-) [16:16] cjwatson: is there anything more to hack on or are you happy enough with your script? [16:16] slangasek: NO!!!!!!!! [16:16] Keybuk: ok, when will it be? [16:16] slangasek: you know how ever time I say "oh, by this evening" it takes another day? [16:16] barry: the main bit that's being a right pain is that I can't see any way to query by targeted (NOT nominated) series in the API [16:17] barry: so I'm having to do a larger search and then trim it down by iterating over all bug tasks, which is painfully slow [16:17] slangasek: I thought I'd upload it yesterday ... a day later and I'm still trying to fix the bug that stops plymouth working at all [16:17] and I think the results are still wrong [16:17] Keybuk: heh [16:17] so, yeah, I could use some iterative help [16:17] cjwatson: hmm. i don't know off hand, but i can ask on #launchpad-dev. why don't you push a +junk branch so we can collaborate on it? [16:17] barry: yup - will do that after the meeting [16:18] cool [16:18] [TOPIC] Outstanding feature freeze exceptions [16:18] New Topic: Outstanding feature freeze exceptions [16:18] from last week: [16:18] 16:11 python-apt was pending last I checked [16:18] 16:11 cjwatson: not yet, but c-j is coming [16:18] 16:11 ratings&reviews is also still in limbo :( [16:18] 16:11 ntfs-3g still, I guess, need to find time to look at that [16:18] python-apt got granted and is uploaded [16:19] R&R is deferred for sure [16:19] FFE for c-j is submitted but i've heard nothing about it since [16:19] * mvo waves r&r goodbye for lucid [16:19] pitti granted ntfs-3g and I'll upload that today [16:19] waiting for a comment on ubiquity timezone changes: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubiquity/+bug/538156 [16:19] Ubuntu bug 538156 in ubiquity "Freeze exception request: remove the seconds from the time zone map time" [Undecided,New] [16:19] I would like to support the c-j dbus branch strongly because the current code is a mess of thread deadlocks that the dbus branch makes go away [16:20] c-j dbus branch? [16:20] oh, computer-janitor [16:20] took brain a while to expand that [16:20] :) [16:20] slangasek: I'd like a FFe for a D-Bus update itself [16:21] I'm OK with the ubiquity timezone page change [16:21] (as an installer hacker not a release team bod) [16:21] cjwatson: thanks, landing [16:21] oh, damn :) [16:21] commented on the bug though [16:22] Keybuk: that sounds like an unlikely candidate for getting an exception, what's the need? [16:22] slangasek: it stops the hang with multi-threaded D-Bus apps like evo [16:23] Keybuk: oh, i'd like to see that! [16:23] that maybe was ambiguous. s/see/have/ :) [16:23] Keybuk: and we can't take the bugfix without new features? :) [16:23] slangasek: I don't have the time to backport just the bug fix [16:23] but if others do, sure [16:23] there aren't any new features though [16:24] ok; file the FFe and I'll have a look [16:24] just new other bug fixes [16:24] er - then it doesn't need an FFe [16:24] D-Bus 1.2.x is fully in maintenance mode [16:24] oh, I thought I needed an FFe to sneeze nowadays :p [16:24] only because when you sneeze, people's machines fall over [16:24] :) [16:24] [TOPIC] Milestoned bugs [16:24] New Topic: Milestoned bugs [16:24] not my fault people let me use computers ;) [16:25] so as I said, I've been trying to produce a more useful view of this, but running into a few problems. At the moment the list I have is of bugs milestoned to beta-2, but it doesn't take targeting into account properly, which is annoying [16:25] but maybe http://people.canonical.com/~cjwatson/task-assignments/ubuntu-10.04-beta-2.html is useful anyway [16:26] so that has upstart bug 531494 which I'm guessing is still a catfight between Keybuk and smoser? [16:26] Launchpad bug 531494 in upstart "cloud-init job sometimes not running in cloud images without ramdisk" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/531494 [16:26] bug 522910 - mvo? [16:26] Launchpad bug 522910 in update-manager "hardy installation fails to take direct route to lucid" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522910 [16:26] (or barry?) [16:26] cjwatson: it's not a catfight ;) [16:26] bug 527870 [16:26] Launchpad bug 527870 in update-manager "karmic -> lucid CDROM only upgrade fails" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527870 [16:27] bug 537007 [16:27] smoser has helpfully set up a machine hung in that state and given me ssh access to it [16:27] Launchpad bug 537007 in ubiquity "flash-kernel fails hard when network access fails" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537007 [16:27] i can take some u-m bugs since i'm wading into that code now anyway [16:27] bug 538129 [16:27] I'm unhelpfully been fixing my own release critical bugs first [16:27] Launchpad bug 538129 in software-center "UI freeze exception: Remove stars and reference to non-existent "reviews"" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/538129 [16:27] (before helping the server team with theirs) [16:27] bug 539324 (that's mine, just forgot to assign) [16:27] Launchpad bug 539324 in debian-installer "Setting up swap fails when setting lvm+encryption" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539324 [16:27] my c-j fix committed bugs will go to fix released when the ffe is accepted and the update lands [16:27] bug 539710 - ev, you were in that code recently? [16:27] Launchpad bug 539710 in ubiquity "OEM Lucid installation - configuring system for a new user - error occurring installing new packages" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539710 [16:27] bug 539827 [16:27] Launchpad bug 539827 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashes after clicking "try ubuntu"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539827 [16:27] cjwatson: sorry, I have not looked at those two u-m bugs, but I will [16:27] bug 534473 [16:27] Launchpad bug 534473 in ubiquity "Wrong CD device used when installed from a Cruzer Micro." [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/534473 [16:28] 539827 scares me [16:28] bug 540686 - this is a weirdo upgrade bug, I'm not quite sure what's going on with it [16:28] Launchpad bug 540686 in initramfs-tools "update-initramfs fails in mkinitramfs with "cpio: ./different/files: Cannot stat: No such file or directory"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540686 [16:28] I'm not sure what on earth could be causing it, but I'll keep at it [16:28] cjwatson: the status column doesn't seem to be up to date [16:28] bug 386099 [16:28] Launchpad bug 386099 in ubuntu-release-notes "Kubuntu Netbook OEM install does not create a 'prepare for shipping' icon" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/386099 [16:28] 539710> indeed, it's at the top of my list [16:28] i'll take 522910 to at least see if i can do something about it [16:28] and I'll stop there for the moment since you can look at the unassigned list for yourselves [16:28] doko: it's a statically generated page - my cleverness is limited [16:29] doko: and the script takes tens of minutes to run, and is currently a bit broken [16:29] I was planning on doing the Kubuntu Netbook OEM icon bug, it's not hard [16:29] cjwatson: if you could comment #540252 that would be nice, its sort-of releated to the initramfs failure [16:29] Riddell: if you could tackle or get somebody to tackle bug 540202, that would be good too [16:29] Launchpad bug 540202 in ubiquity "kubuntu ubiquity shows ${RELEASE} briefly at start" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540202 [16:30] huh [16:30] slangasek: when barry and I polish this list up a bit more, will it be of use to you? [16:30] there's an "LVM" bug assigned to me [16:30] cjwatson: yes, that's on my targets too [16:30] bug #527666 [16:30] Launchpad bug 527666 in mountall "multiple LVM volumes not mounted in Lucid" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527666 [16:30] mvo: ok [16:33] 540686> a similar bug was already fixed in module-init-tools, but I wonder if that isn't ultimately an initramfs-tools bug for not sanitizing the input to cpio; a similar bug was just reported in Debian, and in that case the dangling symlink was user-provided :) [16:33] cjwatson: yes :) [16:33] initramfs-tools is where bugs go to die [16:33] lol [16:34] slangasek: I think for the lucid list we would also like to limit it to tasks that aren't milestoned for the current milestone - do you agree? [16:34] initramfs-tools is a roach motel? [16:34] cjwatson: makes sense [16:34] the other trouble is that initramfs-tools tends to collect bugs that aren't really its fault [16:34] like if all bugs were filed on dpkg because that was what installed things [16:34] Keybuk: ... they are [16:35] oh, sometimes they're filed on debconf because that's what asks you questions [16:35] or update-manager because that is on the screen [16:36] slangasek: we could at least work around it by sanitising the input, even if that might be too big a hammer [16:36] [TOPIC] Targeted bugs [16:36] New Topic: Targeted bugs [16:36] without a list of what's in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs and not in the milestone list, this remains tricky, but there are a couple of bugs that caught my eye [16:36] bug 445852 is nasty - does anyone know what's going on here well enough to attack it? [16:37] Launchpad bug 445852 in libatasmart "devkit-disks-probe-ata-smart causes HSM Violations on SSD, and potential hardware death" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/445852 [16:37] err, isn't that -desktop [16:37] and bug 426027, Keybuk, are we planning a new version of util-linux? [16:37] Launchpad bug 426027 in util-linux "/dev/disk/by-uuid doesn't exist in karmic kernels" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/426027 [16:37] pitti maintains udisks [16:37] Keybuk: yeah, but it isn't a udisks bug as such [16:37] cjwatson: there is no new version of util-linux? [16:37] cjwatson: it's a libatasmart bug, which is only used by udisks and packaged by pitti? [16:38] ah, I didn't realise its use was that limited [16:38] Keybuk: the bug implies (and I've only skimmed it) that a newer upstream version fixes it [16:38] possibly a git checkout or something [16:38] since we're using the newest, shiniest, util-linux version [16:39] that happens to also be GIT HEAD [16:39] they lie [16:39] ok [16:39] oh, wait [16:39] that bug is talking about KARMIC [16:39] we obviously have newer in Lucid [16:39] should the lucid task simply be closed? [16:39] slangasek: you opened the lucid task [16:40] Keybuk: on 2009-10-30 [16:40] did you have any reason for that? I can't find any mention of lucid in the bug [16:40] lucid was kind of new then, it was just carry-over from karmic [16:40] ah [16:40] quite right [16:40] I shall mark Fix Released in karmic [16:40] err in LUCID [16:40] I'm also a bit scared that bug 417757 has come back like a bad smell [16:40] Launchpad bug 417757 in eglibc "[karmic regression] all network apps / browsers suffer from multi-second delays by default due to IPv6 DNS lookups" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/417757 [16:41] we've fixed this twice already by my count [16:41] doko: are you on top of that? [16:41] the "fix" is applied in the package [16:42] cjwatson: yes, will lok at it this week [16:42] is it? the lucid task was reopened distinctly on that one [16:42] it's one of those dogpile bugs, so I could well believe that the current issue has nothing to do with the original one, but [16:43] (by pitti, not by $drive_by_commenter) [16:43] doko: if you think it's fixed, I can re-run my test for lucid that I did for karmic [16:44] one of the trailing comments claims to still have problems with lucid beta-1 [16:44] our users have many problems, not all of them with Ubuntu [16:44] slangasek: if you can do this faster than me, would be nice ... [16:44] BTW, the reason we dropped Tollef's patch was that upstream's changes were supposed to supersede it [16:44] at least that's my memory from the last go-around on this [16:46] yes, that's what I remember too [16:47] looks like comparing very closely against FC12 wouldn't go amiss, if we haven't already :) [16:47] ok [16:47] [TOPIC] Good news [16:47] New Topic: Good news [16:47] (skipping a bit) [16:48] Number of days without a world-breaking plymouth upload on the job site: 12 [16:48] ;) [16:48] 12?! [16:48] haha [16:48] slangasek: *hours* you mean [16:48] I don't think we've even gone 7 surely [16:48] I remember plymouth uploads in the small hours last week for beta [16:48] Keybuk: ah, but those were world-*fixing* :) [16:48] upgrade feedback is overall pretty positive [16:49] (modulo button order change) [16:49] with a bit of outside help, Keybuk and I figured out that we have a decent chance of being able to use efifb as a boot framebuffer in lucid+1, fixing lots of issues along the way [16:49] (it's a BAD IDEA in lucid given the kernel) [16:49] neat :) [16:49] it's very sexy if you build a mainline with lucid's config though [16:49] I tried it last night [16:49] I made grub go purple with the ubuntu logo [16:49] and the mode stayed set, and the screen did not get cleared [16:50] and plymouth drew more on it and animated [16:50] rocking [16:50] it was very awesome [16:50] * cjwatson wonders if we could persuade design that, with this, a one-second delay in grub isn't so bad after all [16:51] * cjwatson fed up of not being able to get at the grub menu in kvm :) [16:51] cjwatson: in grub2, you can't pass vga= at all anymore? so if you want to specify a video mode, you *have* to use gfx_payload=keep and trigger efifb? [16:51] slangasek: you can if you use linux16/initrd16 [16:51] ah [16:51] but yeah, it's rocky right now [16:51] efifb would be a lot easier in many ways, even though it's Different [16:52] * slangasek files that rune away for future interactions [16:52] [TOPIC] AOB [16:52] New Topic: AOB [16:52] I saw a bug comment this week from someone who said "I got my video mode working just fine, just remove vesafb from the blacklist in /etc and edit these three other config files..." [16:53] are the rebuild tests running? besides the ones lucas did make [16:53] vga= gets picked up by the initramfs too [16:53] slangasek: yeeeees. uh, it depends [16:53] the efifb problem, for the record, is that the switch into a real kms framebuffer is a bit rocky [16:53] slangasek: I tend to recommend people do that [16:54] doko: oh, bugger, I keep forgetting. why don't we get you into ubuntu-archive as agreed and you can do it :) [16:54] with the big BUT YOU MIGHT NOT BE ABLE TO RESUME FROM SUSPEND above it [16:54] cjwatson: what is a good place for maitenance check lucid.hints file ? ~ubuntu-archive too? [16:54] Keybuk: my understanding from cjwatson was that the kernel never *sees* the vga= because grub2 filters it magically when using the 32-bit boot protocol [16:55] mvo: is it worth putting it in the seeds? [16:55] vga= is a bit weird [16:55] slangasek: oh, dunno about that ;) [16:55] it was always interpreted by the boot loader, and shoved into the boot parameters structure that the kernel gets from the boot loader [16:55] it was never passed as an ordinary command line option, really [16:55] cjwatson: not sure, kees asked for a special override file (this is how I implemented it currently). its outside the seeds currently [16:55] the bit of the kernel that interprets it is in the 16-to-32-bit bring-up code [16:56] mvo: I think the seeds would be best if that's doable, but failing that I think maybe something that ubuntu-core-dev can write to [16:56] cjwatson: I'm fine with it, would you mind give some help for the first run? [16:57] doko: certainly [16:57] cjwatson: thanks, that is fine with me, I will update my code for this and talk to kees if/how to put it into the seeds [16:57] I needed help from bigjools, it's not the sort of thing you can figure out from scratch even if you're already used to running the archive :( [16:57] doko: first thing tomorrow? [16:57] doko: oh, wait, I don't start until 11:30 London time on Thursdays, so after that [16:58] ok, please send me your activity reports if you haven't already, and I'll put them in the wiki [16:58] #endmeeting [16:58] Meeting finished at 11:58. [16:58] cjwatson: sounds fine [16:59] see ya's, good day all [16:59] thanks [17:00] thanks [17:00] thanks, all! [17:01] thanks [17:01] * fader_ waves. [17:01] * ara waves [17:01] marjo has a scheduling conflict so he's asked me to kick off the QA meeting today [17:01] * sbeattie waves [17:01] So without further ado... [17:02] #startmeeting [17:02] Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is fader_. [17:02] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [17:02] Agenda: [17:02] * SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) [17:02] * Bug Day status -- pvillavi [17:02] * Upgrade Jams -- ara [17:02] [TOPIC] SRU testing (sbeattie) [17:02] New Topic: SRU testing (sbeattie) [17:02] SRU Activity report for the past week (since 2010-03-17): [17:02] * karmic: 8 new packages in -proposed (devicekit-disks, gst-plugins-bad0.10, language-packs, linux-firmware-nonfree, lupin, mountall, packagekit, papyon) and 4 packages pushed to -updates (app-install-data-partner, landscape-client, linux, samba) [17:02] * jaunty: 0 new packages in -proposed and 2 packages pushed to -updates (landscape-client, linux) [17:02] * intrepid: 0 new packages in -proposed and 2 package pushed to -updates (landscape-client, linux) [17:02] * hardy: 0 new packages in -proposed and 2 package pushed to -updates (kdepim, linux) [17:02] * dapper: no SRU activity [17:02] Thanks to Douglas Mackay, timroll, David Tombs, Sören Wegener, Alessio Treglia, Derek Simkowiak, Onkar Shinde, AG, Ricardo Sanchez, Andreas Wenning, and Besterino for testing SRUs this week. [17:03] No SRUs for dapper... all the bugs must have been worked out by now :) [17:03] There's a bit of a buildup of SRUs for karmic, so if people are looking for things to do, that'd be a great place to start. [17:04] anything that might need more attention (help) there ? [17:04] the queue is quite big compared to previous week [17:05] well, a new linux kernel just popped in this morning, I think. [17:06] that made the queue appear a bit larger. [17:07] ah ok, thanks sbeattie [17:07] pedro_: clearing out some of the ones that have been languishing for a while would be great. [17:07] Any other SRU questions? [17:08] Doesn't seem like it... thanks, sbeattie! [17:08] [TOPIC] Bug Day status (pedro_) [17:08] New Topic: Bug Day status (pedro_) [17:08] On Thursday 18th we had a bug day based on Gwibber, yes the microblogging app [17:09] you can have a look at the progress of that day on the graph at : https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100318 [17:09] the micro blogging application, with macro start up times [17:09] ~84 bugs were triaged that day, Thanks a lot to our hug days heroes: vish, kamusin, c-korn, Boniek, fle and bananeweizen [17:09] ara: Heh :) [17:09] heh === __keybuk_ is now known as __keybuk [17:10] thanks also to kenvandine for looking into the bugs we triaged and raised that day [17:10] Tomorrow we're having a bug day for all the translators in our lovely Ubuntu project, the target is the ubuntu-translators project [17:11] there's plenty of bugs to be triaged: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100325 [17:11] so if you have some time and want to learn a bit more about bug triage and translations join us, we'll be glad to help you out to start [17:12] Any bug day questions or comments? [17:13] Doesn't seem like it. Thanks, pedro_ [17:13] my pleasure ;-) [17:13] :) [17:13] [TOPIC] Upgrade Jams (ara) [17:13] New Topic: Upgrade Jams (ara) [17:13] As you may already know, this weekend is the Ubuntu Global Jam [17:13] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [17:13] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam [17:14] as part of the UGJ we are asking people to upgrade to Lucid and report back [17:14] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade [17:14] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Jams/Upgrade [17:14] anyone is going to an UGJ this weekend? [17:14] Unfortunately I have plans this weekend, but maybe I can find one to drop in on. I heard the last jam was really incredible! [17:15] +1 fader_ ... I have had my weekend planned out for me :( [17:15] well, I will be sending a reminder to the ubuntu-qa list to see if any of our members can help out people upgrading during the jam [17:15] I'm going to one here in Chile, the local community is organizing one so i'll be there [17:15] pedro_: Awesome! Take lots of pictures ! :) [17:15] pedro_, nice! tell people to upgrade to lucid! :D [17:16] fader_, ara sure! will do both tasks ;-) [17:16] Thanks, ara! [17:16] [TOPIC] Any other business? [17:16] New Topic: Any other business? [17:17] Going once... [17:18] Going twice... [17:18] Looks like that's it. Thanks, everyone! [17:18] #endmeeting [17:18] Meeting finished at 12:18. [17:18] thanks [17:18] :) [17:18] thanks. [17:19] thanks! [18:56] * Edubuntu meeting in 4 minutes [19:00] Good evening! [19:00] hellooooo [19:01] * stgraber waves [19:01] let's give everyone a minute or so to check in [19:01] Agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Meetings/Agenda [19:01] anything else that should be added? [19:02] doc day ? [19:02] window control button placement in 10.04? ;) [19:02] right! [19:03] ok updated (that is, when the page finishes saving) [19:03] Lns: heh :) we have alternative themes to deal with that ;) personaly I'm getting used to having them on the left side [19:03] stgraber: =) true true, i keep forgetting its just in a theme [19:03] let's start with that, I had lots of mixed feelings abou tit [19:04] *about it [19:04] so earlier this week I updated the artwork packages so that we use the light theme [19:04] stgraber and I talked about it on jabber where he suggested it [19:05] I wasn't sure whether we should do it since *many* schools have mixed environments, and having different button positions may be a bit weird for some users [19:05] Hi all [19:05] Personally I just think it's unnecessary, period [19:05] I've tried the light (radiance) theme though and it works *really* well for Ubuntu, it matches our colours very well [19:06] especially the red highlight around text field entries [19:06] we also keep a little closer to ubuntu, but I think it's a mild benefit. [19:07] I'm jumping around a bit here, so apologies for being a bit ADHD, but tonight I got the Edubuntu Options dialog working, it pops up near the end of the installation process and asks whether you'd like to install LTSP and/or the Netbook Remix packages [19:07]