| davidsansome | I uploaded a package to revu about 20 minutes ago but it hasn't shown up on the list yet - does it take a little while or have I probably done something stupid with gpg keys? | 00:19 |
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| RAOF | davidsansome: There is a certain processing time (I'm not sure how long), but do you have a sponsor / FFe / etc lined up for that package? Lucid is frozen for new packages, so it's likely to sit there until at least after the Lucid release. | 00:32 |
| davidsansome | RAOF: I'm in no particular hurry to get it in, I suppose it's fine if it waits until after Lucid | 00:36 |
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| psusi | how do I take a trunk and release it as an initial ppa? | 03:31 |
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| _Andrew | Is there anyone I can talk to about packaging up something for Lucid? I want to see this package upgraded to 1.7.0 stable ( https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/ogre/1.6.4.dfsg1-1 ) however it looks like it's just imported from debian with no ubuntu maintainer? | 05:05 |
| _Andrew | Actually maybe ubuntu-release is a better place for this.. | 05:07 |
| persia | _Andrew: You'd really want to see it upgraded in Debian first. | 05:10 |
| _Andrew | Shouldn't the libogremain packages have a virtual package for the latest version? I see two different versions available in lucid because of dependencies on them. | 05:13 |
| persia | That mostly just needs cleanup on the depending packages. | 05:18 |
| dholbach | good morning | 07:24 |
| Laney | wow | 11:05 |
| Laney | Jack sense now works on my Macbook | 11:05 |
| * Laney hugs crimsun | 11:05 | |
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| shadeslayer | whats the difference between cowdancer and pbuilder? | 13:05 |
| hyperair | cowdancer and pbuilder are like apples and oranges | 13:05 |
| hyperair | you can't compare them. | 13:05 |
| shadeslayer | ive already read the wiki,but it doesnt cover the differnces | 13:05 |
| hyperair | you want to compare cowbuilder and pbuilder | 13:06 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: hmmm | 13:06 |
| hyperair | cowdancer uses copy-on-write. | 13:06 |
| hyperair | and cowbuilder uses cowdancer | 13:06 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: whats that? | 13:06 |
| hyperair | hmm how to explain.. | 13:06 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: in english :P | 13:06 |
| hyperair | okay, you know how pbuilder tarballs your chroot, then unpacks it during build? | 13:06 |
| ari-tczew | is it right channel for asking about SRU? | 13:06 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: yeah | 13:06 |
| hyperair | ari-tczew: #ubuntu-devel i think | 13:07 |
| ari-tczew | ok | 13:07 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: right, cowbuilder basically cp -l's everything so you get a hardlink of every file. | 13:07 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: and cowdancer encapsulates everything (like fakeroot) to make sure that whenever you write, the file is copied away | 13:07 |
| hyperair | and the copy modified | 13:07 |
| hyperair | so your original remains intact | 13:07 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: ah so it kinda makes a copy of everything and then in the end you get 2 things,the original stuff and the modified one | 13:08 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: whereas pbuilder modifies the original one | 13:09 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: it doesn't make a copy if you reads. | 13:09 |
| hyperair | i mean | 13:09 |
| hyperair | if you do reads alone | 13:09 |
| hyperair | it doesn't make a copy | 13:09 |
| hyperair | that's why it's called copy-on-write | 13:09 |
| hyperair | when you start writing, a copy is made so that the original is untouched | 13:09 |
| hyperair | and pbuilder's "original" is a tarball. | 13:09 |
| shadeslayer | ok.. | 13:10 |
| shadeslayer | i think ive got some idea.... | 13:10 |
| hyperair | okay, think about it this way... | 13:10 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: ok well here comes the next stupid question,which is better :P | 13:11 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: sure go on | 13:11 |
| hyperair | what pbuilder does is like.. tar -xzf sometarball.tar.gz, cd sometarball, edit edit edit, purge. | 13:11 |
| shadeslayer | ok.. | 13:11 |
| hyperair | what cowbuilder does is like.. it listens to your write() calls | 13:11 |
| hyperair | and chmod | 13:11 |
| hyperair | and stuff that modifies things | 13:11 |
| shadeslayer | and copy edit write | 13:11 |
| hyperair | right | 13:11 |
| shadeslayer | got it! | 13:12 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: ok so your right they cant be compared :P | 13:12 |
| hyperair | so your first write() will cause cp fileA tmp/fileA, and redirect writes to tmp/fileA. subsequent reads will read from tmp/fileA | 13:12 |
| shadeslayer | and it really depends on your pref. which is better | 13:12 |
| hyperair | well yes | 13:12 |
| hyperair | each comes with pros and cons | 13:12 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: cowdancer probably takes more time to build a package... | 13:13 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: oh btw how do i get pbuilder to keep the cache? like while creating the pbuilder tarball | 13:13 |
| hyperair | pbuilder: it uses tarballs, so when you're not building things, you will use very little space. if you have multiple pbuilder environments, this is wonderful. | 13:13 |
| hyperair | cowbuilder: it does not compress when inactive, so you get larger storage | 13:14 |
| shadeslayer | hmm | 13:14 |
| hyperair | pbuilder: it unpacks the tarball at the beginning of the build, this causes tremendous I/O, and on some filesystems, can cause your system to lock up until it's done. | 13:14 |
| hyperair | cowbuilder: cp -l everything. that should take a few seconds, or less for preparing. lets you get straight to the job. | 13:15 |
| hyperair | as for during-compilation... i don't think there is much difference. | 13:15 |
| hyperair | compilations generally create new files, rather than modifying existing files. | 13:15 |
| hyperair | copy-on-write does not apply to creation of new files, because there was nothing to copy in the first place. | 13:16 |
| shadeslayer | ohh... ok | 13:16 |
| shadeslayer | so basicaly cowbuilder makes links to these files like you said earlier | 13:16 |
| hyperair | cowbuilder is an alternative to sbuild that uses a pbuilder interface (so it's easier to configure, and doesn't require you to create an LVM partition per chroot) | 13:16 |
| hyperair | yeah. hard links. | 13:17 |
| hyperair | i suppose you know what hard links are, right? | 13:17 |
| shadeslayer | yeah of course | 13:17 |
| hyperair | so it makes hard links, so new files and stuff mv'd into place will not affect the original | 13:17 |
| hyperair | rm'd things also don't affect original | 13:18 |
| hyperair | but chmod/chown, and write will | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | nice | 13:18 |
| hyperair | so it will encapsulate those and force a copy to be made | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | ahh.. ok i get it :D | 13:18 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: thanks for the info | 13:18 |
| hyperair | np =) | 13:19 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: by the way, hard links are just the way cowdancer implements copy-on-write. there are copy-on-write filesystems around like btrfs. i expect that to be quite cool when it gets stable (it's cool enough already like this) | 13:19 |
| hyperair | and then there's also unionfs which is another implementation of copy-on-write, one which pretends to be a filesystem. | 13:20 |
| hyperair | i think it's now superseded by aufs2 or something | 13:20 |
| shadeslayer | yeah ive heard of those | 13:20 |
| hyperair | you could probably implement a better cowdancer using unionfs =p | 13:20 |
| hyperair | there are places where cowdancer complains about stuff being not implemented | 13:21 |
| hyperair | like flock and stuff | 13:21 |
| hyperair | i don't really bother -- it shouldn't matter, i think. | 13:21 |
| hyperair | i maintain a complete ubuntu mirror on my campus so if my chroots get messed up i can always re-create them in a matter of minutes | 13:22 |
| shadeslayer | nice | 13:23 |
| shadeslayer | takes about a hour here | 13:23 |
| lfaraone | How often are the debian bzr branches updated? I want to merge in some changes off a just-uploaded package from Debian. | 13:30 |
| Laney | lfaraone: I believe you can import-dsc to the debian branch locally | 13:30 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: it takes well over an hour for debian ;-) | 13:30 |
| lfaraone | Laney: yes, but I read that's discouraged against since it can mess up future merges, no? | 13:31 |
| Laney | I dunno | 13:31 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: i can also dist-upgrade to the next ubuntu version in a matter of an hour or so (more time spent on I/O than downloading) | 13:31 |
| hyperair | use teh git. and git import-dsc =D | 13:32 |
| lfaraone | Laney: "This import functionality is very convenient, but due to the nature of Bazaar it is not a good idea to do this more than once. If there are two contributors to a package, and they both do the import independently then they will find it difficult to merge between themselves, as the two branches are not related in Bazaar's eyes. " | 13:32 |
| lfaraone | (per http://jameswestby.net/bzr/builddeb/user_manual/normal.html) | 13:32 |
| james_w | lfaraone: what package? | 13:33 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: nice | 13:35 |
| hyperair | ;-) | 13:35 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: i guess it pays to have a server close by... | 13:35 |
| shadeslayer | ill probably setup a local ubuntu server when i start earning :D | 13:36 |
| shadeslayer | so itll be my personal clone of the entire ubuntu repos :D | 13:36 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: well yeah. it pays to weasel your way into your university's open source society and use their resources and authority to start an ubuntu server ;-) | 13:36 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: the hard disks were donated by the ubuntu-sg loco | 13:37 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: i proposed setting up a server in my uni... they shot it down :D | 13:37 |
| shadeslayer | ubuntu server i mean | 13:37 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: well, you need to be more influential than just an ordinary student ;-) | 13:37 |
| shadeslayer | they run a OS X and a windows server | 13:37 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: hehe.. i guess so... | 13:38 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: i had support from the teacher advisors of the society, as well as some laboratories which use ubuntu. | 13:38 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: nice.. everything my uni uses is MS.. and more MS | 13:38 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: couple that with the fact that we started underground (we got permission from one of the labs to use their port 80 and mod_proxy to reverse-proxy stuff from a certain domain name into our server) | 13:39 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: heck.. they use a C++ compiler from the 90's | 13:39 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: it's the same here =p | 13:39 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: borland turbo C++ ? | 13:39 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: some labs use ubuntu, but most labs use windows. and a lot of them use windows-only software. | 13:39 |
| lfaraone | james_w: autokey. | 13:39 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: okay, that's sad. | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: i bet that all ports apart from 8080 are blocked | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: dont ask.... | 13:40 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: i requested a DMZ. port 80 was opened, and they claim it's a DMZ. | 13:40 |
| hyperair | just port 80 | 13:40 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: good thing my isp just bumped my speed to 70 KBps for free | 13:40 |
| hyperair | good god. | 13:40 |
| hyperair | ooh nice | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: yeah it actually came as a shock... | 13:41 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: my ISP did that once. | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: http://www.airtel.in/wps/wcm/connect/about+bharti+airtel/Bharti+Airtel/Media+Centre/ | 13:41 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: then they realized their mistake after a few months and dropped the speed again =( | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: thankfully its not a mistake :D | 13:41 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: oh its this one actually : http://www.airtel.in/wps/wcm/connect/About%20Bharti%20Airtel/bharti+airtel/media+centre/bharti+airtel+news/telemedia/pg-airtel-breaks-the-speed-barrier | 13:42 |
| hyperair | cool =\ | 13:42 |
| hyperair | i want =( | 13:42 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: i was actually thinking of switching ISP's :D | 13:43 |
| shadeslayer | but not after this :D | 13:43 |
| james_w | lfaraone: yeah, launchpad currently has to mirror the package for it to be imported to bzr | 13:43 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: over here we have a few small-time ISPs which suck, and one major ISP which sucks less. | 13:43 |
| hyperair | shadeslayer: needless to say, they have a monopoly, and continue to suck like hell due to lack of competition =.= | 13:44 |
| lfaraone | james_w: okay. what's the replication lag currently? | 13:44 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: hehe... looks like LP has a full work load : https://launchpad.net/builders | 13:44 |
| james_w | lfaraone: dunno | 13:45 |
| shadeslayer | wth... only 4 builders online :D | 13:45 |
| james_w | it's LP-internal | 13:45 |
| lfaraone | james_w: I take it that I was correct in my understanding that I shouldn't just import the dsc, right? | 13:47 |
| james_w | lfaraone: you can, but it won't reflect history quite how you would like | 13:48 |
| lfaraone | james_w: so you'd advise against it. | 13:49 |
| james_w | generally, yes | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | ah nice... | 13:50 |
| lfaraone | (at this point I'd need to get a FFe for a NUV, not sure it that'd fly, but the changes made in the NUV have been well tested for a while now in PPA and elsewhere) | 13:50 |
| shadeslayer | no errors in creating the pbuilder | 13:50 |
| psusi | hrm... when viewing the bzr branch on lp it recognizes my name on the initial import that I did via lp and hyperlinks it to my lp home page... but the subsequent commits that I did with bzr push from my machine it does not recognize my username and hyperlink... why? | 14:47 |
| cody-somerville | psusi, you need to do a bzr whoami | 14:48 |
| psusi | cody-somerville: and? | 14:49 |
| cody-somerville | set your name and username. | 14:50 |
| persia | Isn't it bzr lp-login or something? | 14:50 |
| psusi | ohh... ok, so the full name and email have to match exactly? I see... | 14:51 |
| psusi | you'd think it would figure it out when I push and it logs in with my ssh key | 14:52 |
| cody-somerville | you don't commit when you push, how could it know? | 14:55 |
| cody-somerville | What if you merge in someone elses branch? Should it just assume all those commits someone else made are yours too? | 14:55 |
| cody-somerville | persia, no, thats for pushing to launchpad and has nothing to do with commits. | 14:56 |
| psusi | well then bzr launchlad-login should probably figure it out ;) | 14:57 |
| cody-somerville | Probably not. | 14:58 |
| cody-somerville | lp-login only sets the username used when connecting to bazaar.launchpad.net | 14:58 |
| psusi | why not? it's authenticating to lp using your ssh key, it seems a good place to check that your bzr whoami matches lp | 14:58 |
| cody-somerville | psusi, :) I'm sure they'd appreciate a patch then. | 15:01 |
| psusi | is there a bzr version of cherrypick? | 15:03 |
| lfaraone | persia: re bug 511502 in dvi2ps, can't we just sync over -3 from Debian? looks like it includes the patch for TexXLive2009, and it builds from source on my machine. | 15:35 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 511502 in xdvik-ja "TeXLive 2009 transition: libkpathsea5" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/511502 | 15:35 |
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| persia | lfaraone: That would be great. | 15:36 |
| lfaraone | persia: okay, -3 is still in Unstable, but it works fine afaict. | 15:37 |
| persia | lfaraone: Could you open a new bug for that, and unassign me from the transitoin bug? | 15:37 |
| lfaraone | persia: in progress :) | 15:37 |
| persia | I've those three packages locally, and fiddle with them when I have time, but I'll admit to not having as much as I'd like :) | 15:37 |
| persia | Thanks! | 15:37 |
| lfaraone | persia: bug 546113 | 15:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 546113 in dvi2ps "Sync dvi2ps 4.1j-3 (universe) from Debian sid (main)" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546113 | 15:38 |
| persia | lfaraone: "ubuntu-sponsors" please :) The ubuntu-*-sponsors groups are going away. | 15:39 |
| lfaraone | persia: so I should set the transition bug to "in progress" assigning me? | 15:39 |
| lfaraone | or assinging nobody? | 15:39 |
| lfaraone | persia: mk. tell requestsync that :P | 15:40 |
| persia | lfaraone: It's been done. Which requestsync are you running? Maybe an old one? | 15:40 |
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| lfaraone | persia: karmic. | 15:58 |
| lfaraone | persia: 2.10.53ubuntu3 | 15:58 |
| persia | lfaraone: upgrade :) | 15:59 |
| lfaraone | persia: backports anybody | 16:00 |
| persia | No point. It's post-beta, so it's best to be testing on a live system :) | 16:03 |
| lfaraone | persia: can I subscribe ubuntu-release to bug 546139 even though I haven't prepared the merge yet? (I'm waiting for the release to be imported into LP bzr) | 16:29 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 546139 in autokey "Merge 0.61.5-1 into Ubuntu Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546139 | 16:29 |
| persia | I wouldn't subscribe them until you have something for them to review. | 16:30 |
| stas | hi guys, i'm trying to patch a package that had no patches before | 16:49 |
| stas | so I followed this page | 16:49 |
| stas | http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-dother.en.html#s-patches | 16:49 |
| stas | but I got some errors like this | 16:49 |
| stas | diff: ./alpine-1.0+dfsg/.pc/maildir.patch/imap/src/osdep/unix/maildir.c: Permission denied | 16:49 |
| stas | can you help me what I'm doing wrong | 16:50 |
| stas | the error comes after I'm trying to dpkg-buildpackage -d -S | 16:50 |
| stas | nvm solved | 17:14 |
| napster | Hi all... | 17:14 |
| napster | I'd like to do daily builds for VLC media player on PPA on launchpad. Can anyone help me to do this? I've the latest tarballs and build essentials with me | 17:15 |
| stas | napster: the easies way to do that si to `fork` someones vlc deb sources, take the `debian` dir from there and use it to build your packages | 17:25 |
| napster | stas, I'm a newbie. Me and most of my friend use vlc. I think it is helpful if I do this. Can you explain a little bit? How to 'fork'? | 17:26 |
| stas | copy and modify it in case something doesn't work | 17:27 |
| shadeslayer | hey whats the command to create a new debian/ folder with the new source format? | 17:32 |
| stas | shadeslayer: http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/maint-guide/ch-first.en.html#s-dh_make | 17:33 |
| hyperair | dh_make && echo '3.0 (quilt)' > debian/source/format =p | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer | stas: thanks | 17:34 |
| napster | stas, I've 'apt-get source vlc' and copied the debian/ to the latest source tarball from vlc(git) | 17:35 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: =p is a part of the command? | 17:35 |
| hyperair | no it's an emoticon | 17:35 |
| hyperair | :-P | 17:35 |
| shadeslayer | hyperair: ah i thought so :D | 17:35 |
| hyperair | ;-) | 17:35 |
| napster | stas, But debuild -S returns errors. How can I fix this : http://pastebin.com/xP30KSME | 17:36 |
| shadeslayer | napster: you probably want #ubuntu-packaging | 17:38 |
| stas | napster: first you have to update the changelog | 17:38 |
| stas | get some docs | 17:38 |
| stas | it will help you a lot | 17:39 |
| napster | ah... ok :( | 17:39 |
| shadeslayer | napster: just browse manpages online : manpages.ubuntu.com | 17:39 |
| napster | ok | 17:40 |
| shadeslayer | README.debian and README.source can be deleted right? | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | theyre not that imp. i mean | 17:42 |
| shadeslayer | theres a readme of the package in the source dir though.. | 17:43 |
| ari-tczew | I'm working on switch package to 3.0 quilt format and I;m reading http://wiki.debian.org/Projects/DebSrc3.0#FAQ ; what's the different between quilt and native package? | 18:03 |
| nigelb | ari-tczew: native packages are ones that are specific to debian with no upstream, like apt | 18:04 |
| ari-tczew | nigelb, thanks! | 18:05 |
| shadeslayer | ari-tczew: quilt is a patching system | 18:13 |
| ari-tczew | shadeslayer: I know | 18:13 |
| shadeslayer | ari-tczew: ah.. then both of them are quite different :P | 18:13 |
| ari-tczew | ;] | 18:14 |
| nigelb | shadeslayer: he was just confused reading the wiki page | 18:14 |
| ari-tczew | right | 18:14 |
| shadeslayer | btw do i need to specify in the rules page that install foo.docbook or do i just leave foo.docbook in the debian/ folder and it will be automatically be picked up | 18:15 |
| shadeslayer | nigelb: ah ok | 18:16 |
| ari-tczew | what's a field in debian/control: Uploaders? | 18:30 |
| siretart | ari-tczew: it doesn't really have a meaning in ubuntu. in debian, comaintainers are listed there | 18:38 |
| EzraR | whats the proper way of dealing with translations, after I update a package the stuff I add isnt translated and gets thrown into the po files | 18:54 |
| EzraR | lintain says to send a request to debian translaters but that seems rude | 18:54 |
| shadeslayer | hi i need help with pbuilder : pbuilder-satisfydepends-dummy | 19:21 |
| shadeslayer | um i meant this error : http://pastebin.ca/1851718 | 19:21 |
| geser | shadeslayer: my guess is that you don't have universe enabled in your pbuilder | 19:33 |
| shadeslayer | geser: would that be about it? | 19:33 |
| akher0n | or karmic-backports (if you're using karmic) | 19:34 |
| akher0n | at least the first package that's not found is in -backports | 19:34 |
| shadeslayer | geser: akher0n lucid pbuilder | 19:34 |
| shadeslayer | ok how do i enable those repos then? | 19:35 |
| geser | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PbuilderHowto#Universe%20support | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | ah.. thanks | 19:35 |
| shadeslayer | geser: should i add this to the top or the bottom? | 19:36 |
| shadeslayer | nvm | 19:37 |
| MTecknology | Is there any easy way to package a binary only closed source application? - like truecrypt | 20:39 |
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| geser | like any other package but you can probably skip the compilation state | 20:40 |
| MTecknology | geser: I'm guessing it's been done - truecrypt | 20:47 |
| kitta1652 | Hello. | 21:10 |
| kitta1652 | I need help with an Avaahi related networking issue. I am in a situation where I do not have a DHCP server and need to use APIPA Addressing. | 21:11 |
| kecsap | hi all! I would like to push some new softwares to the multiverse repository. I am a newbie here and would like to be an Ubuntu developer. Is it the right process is the reviewing through REVU? | 21:38 |
| kecsap | (for the new packages) | 21:39 |
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| cousteau | I find it very annoying the way "shared" numeric pads work on laptops, so I made a script that remaps all num pad keys to the numeric version, independently of whether the NumLock or shift are pressed or not | 23:41 |
| cousteau | I find that it could be useful, so I've made a .deb with it, something useful I can do with it? | 23:42 |
| cousteau | tried to follow the SponsorshipProcess wiki but got lost in the "report a bug" step | 23:44 |
| cousteau | cause I don't know which package is this "bug" related to... all the X server? | 23:50 |
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