[00:52] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: ping
[00:57] <DarkwingDuck> Riddell: ping
[01:01] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: pong
[01:13] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: FYI, if you get Kubuntu membership, that gives you Ubuntu memebership.  The reverse is not true.
[01:13] <ScottK> I agree with nixternal, you should apply.
[01:17] <DarkwingDuck> thanks ScottK
[01:34] <jjesse> was doc string freeze today?
[01:35] <DarkwingDuck> i think so. thats why nixternal and i were crunching
[01:41] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: I think we both replied to Carl at the same time LOL
[01:48] <jjesse> yup i think we did
[02:17] <DarkwingDuck> anyone know when the next kubuntu meeting is?
[02:20] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Not scheduled, but there have been noises about scheduling one soon.
[02:21] <DarkwingDuck> I'm adding myself to the agenda
[02:34] <DarkwingDuck> I'm running into a small problem. I'm compiling a program and it says that libusb-1.0 is not installed... However, it is. What can I do to push around this?
[03:26] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: well the build failed :p
[03:26] <shadeslayer> i just checked :)
[03:26]  * daskreech hates Xorg
[03:27] <daskreech> I don't know how it doesn't win the Worst example of FOSS year after year
[03:28] <shadeslayer> Ok one thing,if i include pkg-kde-tools in a build dep,how do i call it in the new 3.0 format rules file? and whats the error in : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41882479/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kraft_0.40b2-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[03:29] <shadeslayer> i can see that it says it could not find 'boost' so does that mean its the boost lib?
[03:30] <nixternal> STRING FREEZE IN THE HIZZY - DO NOT CHANGE THE GUI WITHOUT MY APPROVAL, OTHERWISE I WILL REIGN DOWN WITH A VENGENCE!!!
[03:30] <shadeslayer> nixternal: lawl
[03:30] <nixternal> I can never remember the quote from Pulp Fiction
[03:31] <nixternal> I extended our string freeze to fix typos and to have Carl edit and fix. He is the da man!
[03:32] <shadeslayer> nixternal: btw when you start doc work for 10.10 do inform me too :)
[03:35] <nixternal> shadeslayer: rock on
[03:35]  * nixternal kicks DarkwingDuck in the shins
[03:35] <nixternal> brb, writing up a blog post
[03:36] <shadeslayer> nixternal: thanks :)
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> ouch
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: what did i do?
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> :P
[03:36] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: i added myself to the next kubuntu meeting... since you are writing...
[03:37] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: when is this meeting? and can non members attend it?
[03:37] <DarkwingDuck> dont know, but i'm applying for membership
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> its not updated on the wiki
[03:38] <shadeslayer> ah..
[03:38] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: good luck :)
[03:38] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: thanks
[03:38] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: wheres your application btw?
[03:38] <shadeslayer> im thinking of applying too xD
[03:39] <DarkwingDuck> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DarkwingDuck/
[03:40] <shadeslayer> pretty neat :)
[03:41] <DarkwingDuck> thanks shadeslayer
[03:41] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: youll probably get through :D\
[03:41] <DarkwingDuck> I hope so. :)
[03:42] <DarkwingDuck> Ohhhh... I have a small bone to pick with KDE :P
[03:42] <DarkwingDuck> https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=116682
[03:42] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: hehe... btw the docs in lucid are XML too?
[03:42] <DarkwingDuck> New my a@@... it's been in since '05
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> Yes shadeslayer. DocBook
[03:43] <shadeslayer> ok
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> freeze just went it.
[03:43] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: um..upstream has a project on this\
[03:43] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: highly volatile and unstable though.....
[03:43] <DarkwingDuck> Yeah... Thinkfiger works okay.
[03:44] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: oh i mean kdm already has a plugin for this
[03:44] <DarkwingDuck> Just wont work with hardly anything. I'm trying to port a project I found to use PAM with openID
[03:44] <DarkwingDuck> Oh? I've been trying to find it
[03:44] <shadeslayer> nice
[03:44] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: hold on..ill have to search for it
[03:44] <shadeslayer> last time i tried it was fail
[03:45] <DarkwingDuck> If I can get PAM with openID I can port my fingerprint scanner with OpenID
[03:45] <DarkwingDuck> It will be a small victory LOL
[03:45] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: http://blog.djaara.net/wordpress/kategorie/english/kdm/
[03:46] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: http://blog.djaara.net/wordpress/2009/10/16/kfingermanager-and-kdmfprintplugin-in-kde-svn/ too
[03:46] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: +1
[03:47] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: i remember this since i was so excited about using kdm+thinkfinger.... and after trying for 4-5 hours i gave up :D
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> I've been loggin what I do that works... I think my first package will be getting this dang thing to work LOL
[03:48] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: would love that...
[03:48] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: you know packaging too? :P
[03:49] <DarkwingDuck> shadeslayer: not really... i'm learning
[03:49] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: ah.. ok
[03:50] <shadeslayer> those distribution build machines are mocking the ppa ones :P
[03:51] <DarkwingDuck> lol. hmmm, im not using fprint though....
[03:52] <ScottK> nixternal: You should put that in /topic.
[03:52] <shadeslayer> DarkwingDuck: yeah like i said...
[03:52] <shadeslayer> ok ive gtg... class :D
[03:52] <DarkwingDuck> kk
[03:52] <shadeslayer> ScottK: could you look at http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41882479/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kraft_0.40b2-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz ?
[03:53] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i think im missing the boost libs but not sure,and how do i invoke pkg-kde-tools in the new rules file
[03:55] <shadeslayer> ok bye :)
[03:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ill bbl to clear this :)
[03:56] <nixternal> can we keep offtopic stuff out of the topic please, except for developer birthdays
[03:57] <nixternal> I can't stand the Doctor, so it isn't on my brain
[03:57] <nixternal> you bring back Pertwee, Davison, or either of the Bakers, and I might change my mind
[03:58] <nixternal> back when it was a good shot and not some silly seinfeld meets all my children
[03:58] <nixternal> s/shot/show
[03:58] <nixternal> or get Ricky Gervais to be the doctor
[03:59] <nixternal> LOL
[03:59] <nixternal> JontheEchidna did it, don't blame me!
[03:59] <JontheEchidna> was contemplating to remove it just a few hours ago actually. it's been there for a while
[03:59] <nixternal> probably could do without losing a finger, but I am serious, a finger will be the least of your worries :D
[04:03] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: tomorrow I will be out of my office for the better part of the entire day. I should be back sometime after 15:00 our time. I am going to allow edits up to at least that time, I am guessing until about 20:00 our time really. I want to give Carl a little bit of time as I feel bad that I left him out of the loop on a few emails where I was cracking the whip on you nuckle heads :)
[04:05] <crimsun> nixternal: bah, you were gone for supper when I was in ORD yesterday
[04:05] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: freeze is tomorrow then?
[04:06] <nixternal> crimsun: you should have called me
[04:06] <nixternal> how long were you there for?
[04:07] <nixternal> +1 630 445 3860 - if you are in or around chicago, let me know, any of you
[04:07] <nixternal> I live 10 miles away, you probably flew over my back yard and made a bunch of noise
[04:07] <crimsun> nixternal: two hours en route to vancouver, bc
[04:07] <nixternal> actually, I am 5 miles away, but I have to drive an extra 5 miles around it in order to get in
[04:07]  * DarkwingDuck writes down the number
[04:08] <nixternal> we went over and watched them knock down our old house that we lived in when we first moved to chicago in 1979
[04:08] <crimsun> I am never leaving my phone battery connected when I fly. I'll probably have a shittonne of roaming charges.
[04:08] <nixternal> it was a bit tearful for my mom
[04:08] <nixternal> they are knocking the houses down to make room for the new runways
[04:10] <ScottK> nixternal: KDE SC 4.4.2 should be released any day now.  We have an FFe for that.  It'll be really hard to know for sure if there are any string changes or not.
[04:11] <ScottK> If shadeslayer comes back would someone please tell him he probably needs to add libboost1.40-dev as a build-dep.
[04:11] <nixternal> yeah, there are string changes for it
[04:11] <nixternal> I will do it now since it is one line I have to fix
[04:13] <daskreech> anyone has any tips on how to add resolution modelines to Xorg?
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: kde l10n dept. would shit bricks if there were any string changes within KDE. I don't think we'll ever have to worry about that
[04:22] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I think there was one.  I vaguely recall some discussion about it on kde-devel.
[04:22] <ScottK> It may have been earlier though
[04:22] <JontheEchidna> most likely bricks were being shat ;P
[04:22] <nixternal> ScottK: 4.4.2 now in kubuntu-docs
[04:23] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: I also removed a bunch of (editor comments...) that I am guessing Carl put in there....now that I think about it, I should have done <!-- * --> on them to keep them
[04:23] <nixternal> oh well, I will be able to look back in history anyways
[04:23] <nixternal> what he said I was going to fix eventually anyways...not really issues, but more of a "add a bit more on this please"
[04:24] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: roger.
[04:24] <DarkwingDuck> I think we should keep them <!-- * --> because it's good reminders for us
[04:24] <daskreech> DarkwingDuck: Yes?
[04:25] <DarkwingDuck> I have no problems abusing <!-- * --> because they are good reminders
[04:25] <DarkwingDuck> daskreech: :P
[04:27] <daskreech> DarkwingDuck:  I see your :-p and raise you a http://rony.4y.com.cn/ascii/ascii/don.htm
[04:28] <nixternal> ScottK: could you change DarkwingDuck's testimonial from committers to Ubuntu Member :)
[04:29] <nixternal> I am not to worried about committers one way or the other, want him to be a full-fledged Kubuntu homeboy
[04:29] <nixternal> we need more shipmates in here anyways
[04:29] <ScottK> nixternal: I'll do a Kubuntu Members testimonial, probably tomorrow.
[04:29] <nixternal> haha, rock on
[04:30] <ScottK> That's right, you're half brown shoe anyway.
[04:30] <nixternal> I don't care what he applies for * Member wise, he will get it...
[04:30] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[04:30] <nixternal> I am not half brown shoe
[04:30] <nixternal> I am a black shoe through and through
[04:30] <ScottK> 3/4?
[04:30] <daskreech> http://train.board8.com/ascii_det.php?id=1683&page=9&sort=0 <-- DarkwingDuck
[04:30] <nixternal> GUNNER'S MATE GUNS!
[04:30] <ScottK> PAX River?
[04:30] <DarkwingDuck> its all about us airdales
[04:30] <ScottK> You've been contaminated.
[04:31] <nixternal> the only brown on those shoes are shitsplatters of the "let the bodies hit the floor, let the bodies hit the floor"
[04:31] <nixternal> I was ASF there, small arms instructor, range and weapons master
[04:31] <DarkwingDuck> daskreech: +1
[04:31] <nixternal> and...the only certified gunsmith in the united states navy at that time
[04:31] <ScottK> ;-)
[04:32] <ScottK> Somewhat defensive on the matter of brown shoes too.
[04:32] <nixternal> haha
[04:32] <DarkwingDuck> you served Navy ScottK?
[04:32] <nixternal> you old people crack me up
[04:32] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: Yes.  I was a SWO.
[04:32] <nixternal> ScottK is an old school squid...he was in the diesel navy
[04:32] <DarkwingDuck> oh... -1 :P
[04:33] <nixternal> actually, the ol' steam navy
[04:33] <ScottK> nixternal: No way.  Jets all the way.
[04:33] <nixternal> Daviey Jones was a seaman when ScottK was in the navy
[04:33] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: what were poop decks like?
[04:33] <nixternal> poop
[04:33]  * DarkwingDuck ducks
[04:34] <ScottK> Crashbacks on gas turbine/CRP ship are lots of fun.
[04:34] <nixternal> 5" 54 MK45's all the way
[04:34] <ScottK> Yep.
[04:34] <DarkwingDuck> I miss watching F-14s launch
[04:34] <ScottK> nixternal: Don't forget I was a Gunnery Officer.
[04:35] <DarkwingDuck> :) I'm up for E-6 in Sept
[04:35] <nixternal> where gunnery was a 50 caliber ball rifle
[04:35] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[04:36] <DarkwingDuck> Was? You must have gotten the powder wet
[04:36] <nixternal> hehe
[04:36] <nixternal> wet powder no go bang, it just goes poof
[04:36] <DarkwingDuck> And drank all the rum :P
[04:37] <nixternal> and never spill coca-cola on a 16" powder bag, they tend to go up in smoke
[04:37] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:37] <DarkwingDuck> Anything left for me in the next 18 hours nixternal?
[04:38] <nixternal> go through and tidy up if you see stuff that needs fixing...might want to check with carl, though I am willing to bet he works on the new docs
[04:38] <nixternal> I think he has tackled all of the other docs
[04:38] <nixternal> seriously Editor-In-Chief he is
[04:39] <DarkwingDuck> No kidding
[04:39] <DarkwingDuck> A god send
[04:39] <DarkwingDuck> i gave u my # right nixternal
[04:40]  * nixternal looks
[04:40] <nixternal> no
[04:41] <DarkwingDuck> +1 619 381 4216
[04:42] <nixternal> did you call me recently?
[04:43] <DarkwingDuck> I dont think so... i just added u to my phone when u tossed ur number up tonight
[04:44] <nixternal> oh, I got a phone call recently from a 619 number
[04:44] <DarkwingDuck> its San Diego number
[04:44] <nixternal> if I get just a phone number to appear on my phone, I don't answer it usually and let it go to voice mail
[04:44] <DarkwingDuck> same here
[04:44] <nixternal> yeah, you would have been the only one I currently know I think out there
[04:44] <DarkwingDuck> hmm...
[04:44] <nixternal> I get probably 50 calls a day
[04:45] <nixternal> a lot of them are head hunters, so I try to filter them out
[04:45] <nixternal> so for job stuff like that, I typically put out my 4KDE phone number
[04:45] <nixternal> google voice ftw
[04:45] <DarkwingDuck> ahh. good idea
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: free texts and i always have it on too.
[04:50] <nixternal> i am afraid to see what my texting bill is going to be....had all of the international peeps in town this weekend, and probably did 50 text messages...I think I might be safe with a 250 msg limit, at least I hope so
[04:51] <DarkwingDuck> VZW has been good to me
[04:51] <nixternal> that's who I have as well
[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: EPIC... look at his goals. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/CarlSymons
[04:52] <nixternal> so they would be free between you and i
[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> yup.
[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> thats a +1
[04:52] <nixternal> oh, I love him big time!
[04:52] <nixternal> that is absolutely brilliant
[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:52] <DarkwingDuck> He just went up in my book
[04:56] <nixternal> http://www.frys.com/product/5956034?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG  <- I think I want that bag for my netbook
[04:56] <nixternal> oh hell yeah, and it is at my frys too
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> for only 30 bucks? hell ya
[04:59] <nixternal> http://www.chromebagsstore.com/bags/messenger-bags/mini-metro-buckle-bag---small.html#
[05:00] <nixternal> or that...though that is still to big...I have the big version of that...the most amazing case you will ever own
[05:01] <nixternal> I have my E-7 insignia and my crossed beer bottles, aka the gunner's mate crossed guns
[05:01] <DarkwingDuck> i need something for my thinkpad
[05:02] <nixternal> messenger bags for the win
[05:03] <nixternal> my chrome bag can hold a 30 pack of beer and still be comfortable on my back
[05:03] <nixternal> I use it when I do small grocery shopping
[05:03] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[05:04] <DarkwingDuck> this X41 is brilliant
[05:04] <DarkwingDuck> http://www.google.com/products/catalog?q=Lenovo+X41+tablet&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=16579733681660938174&ei=2u6qS-aiCZSWtgfapcDMBQ&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CBsQ8wIwAw#ps-sellers
[05:05] <DarkwingDuck> and the price is awesome
[05:06] <crimsun> ugh, X41
[05:06] <DarkwingDuck> ??
[05:06] <crimsun> those things have the worst AC'97 codecs
[05:07] <crimsun> I ended up patching the heck out of them to get audio working
[05:07] <nixternal> ok, i am going to bed...i have to wake up before 10am :)
[05:07] <nixternal> g'nite all, see ya today
[05:07] <crimsun> it's weird to see 1:07 in the client but it be hours behind ;)
[05:08] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: i'm right behind ya
[05:08] <DarkwingDuck> night gang
[07:58] <jussi01> Hrm, where do I find kubuntu logo's in decent quality?
[12:14] <nixternal> oh, this is way to early in the morning
[12:23] <Tm_T> nixternal: or too late at night
[13:19] <shadeslayer> ah :)
[13:19] <shadeslayer> ejat: ping
[13:28] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: ping
[13:28] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: pong
[13:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: how do i use dh with pkg-kde-tools?
[13:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: in the new format i mean :)
[13:29] <apachelogger> dh --kde or something
[13:29] <apachelogger> take a look at some newer KDE package ;)
[13:29] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: also im having problems with : http://launchpadlibrarian.net/41946629/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kraft_0.40b2-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz : and : https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/playground/+build/1579694/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-i386.kraft_0.40b2-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz :
[13:30]  * apachelogger doesnt really have time for that sort of stuff
[13:31] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: I recommend you poke someone else who has time :)
[13:31] <shadesla1er> apachelogger: ah ok,sorry if i disturbed you :)
[13:33] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: no problem I am just a bit busy since a lot of meetings are today
[13:34] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh sure i understand..
[13:35] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[14:04] <ScottK> shadeslayer: The answer to your question from last night is add libboost1.40-dev to build-depends
[14:35] <ScottK> Is anyone working on a qt4-x11 update?
[14:40] <Tm_T> ScottK: new patch?
[14:41] <ScottK> There's a couple of things that have accumulated.
[14:41] <ScottK> I don't want to step on anyone's toes if they're already working on stuff.
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ah thanks :)
[14:41] <shadeslayer> ScottK: and it was this mornin
[14:42] <ScottK> Not where I am, but whatever.
[14:44] <agateau> apachelogger: ping
[14:44] <shadeslayer> ScottK: https://launchpad.net/~rohangarg/+archive/playground/+build/1579693/+files/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.kraft_0.40b2-0ubuntu1~ppa2_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz << This one looks different
[14:46] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Yes, that one seems a bit odd.
[14:47] <ScottK> shadeslayer: Are you using any other PPAs in your PPA?
[14:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK: oh yeah the kubuntu backports ppa from karmic..
[14:47] <shadeslayer> ScottK: but that shouldnt be a problem....
[14:47] <ScottK> That particlar issue looks like a kdepim bug.
[14:48] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i think theres one filed against it
[14:48] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/544765
[14:48] <shadeslayer> its not the exact same issue though
[14:49] <ScottK> I think it is.
[14:49] <shadeslayer> ScottK: i wasnt sure :)
[14:51] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ah so libkdepim depends on kmail,but kmail isnt available for installation via the ppa builder?
[14:51] <ScottK> No, I suspect that problem is that it's a circular depends.
[14:52] <rgreening> New KDE release is coming out soon. Having qt-x11 updated prior would be great ScottK.
[14:52] <ScottK> kmail depends libkdepim4 and libkdepim4 depends kmail.  I'm looking at it now.
[14:52] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ah.. thats odd
[14:53] <ScottK> It's a bug.
[14:54] <shadeslayer> ScottK: seems to be
[14:54] <Quintasan> \o
[14:55] <Quintasan> no matter how you look at it, it's spring now, 20 degrees Celsius outside
[14:55] <shadeslayer> ScottK: so what should be done
[14:56] <shadeslayer> Mamarok_: hehe... ive uploaded a new package,this one should build , but the amd64 one wont :)
[14:56] <ScottK> We should figure out which .so that's in kmail should be in libkdepim4 instead.
[15:03] <Mamarok_> shadeslayer: nice, but why wouldn't the 64bit version not build?
[15:05] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdepim/+bug/544765
[15:05] <agateau> Riddell: ping
[15:05] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: specific problem with amd64 packages
[15:06] <ScottK> agateau: Riddell is gone today and tomorrow, AFAIK.
[15:06] <agateau> ScottK: oh ok
[15:06] <agateau> thanks
[15:07] <Mamarok> shadeslayer: well, why would KDE PIM people not want kmail in the first place?
[15:13] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: its a circular build dep wait... libkdepim depends on kmail which depends on libkdepim
[15:15] <ejat> !pong
[15:20] <ScottK> I think I have it fixed.  Testing.
[15:20] <shadeslayer> ScottK: ah thanks :D
[15:20] <ejat> thanks .
[15:20] <ScottK> Looks like it's been broken since December.  Not sure why it's just making a problem now.
[15:21] <ejat> shadeslayer: pong
[15:21] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: if the fix gets uploaded soon it amd64 might build too
[15:23] <shadeslayer> ejat: oh just wanted to tell ya that i uploaded a new version
[15:24] <shadeslayer> ejat: the ~ppa2 had a missing build dep and the rules file had no --with-kde
[15:24] <shadeslayer> ejat: you can download everything from my PPA by dget <link of .dsc file>
[15:28] <shadeslayer> ok gtg...bye
[15:51] <apachelogger> agateau: pong
[15:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I was looking at doing your kde4libs upload, but ran into lintian errors about direct changes in the source.  Would you be able to look into that and see if we have direct source changes that need to be converted to patches?
[15:55] <agateau> apachelogger: I gave a try at the kconf_update script
[15:55] <agateau> for message indicator
[15:55] <agateau> but kconf_update does not work with nested groups :/
[15:55] <apachelogger> agateau: you can craft your own script with kconf_update, cant you?
[15:56] <agateau> apachelogger: that's what I did, but the script must either output new keys or a special command to delete existing keys
[15:56] <agateau> apachelogger: it can't do arbitrary text operations on the config file
[15:57] <apachelogger> agateau: maybe just manipulate teh config directly ^^
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: just looks like some stuff that the l10n scripts
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> dpkg-source: info: upstream files that have been modified:
[15:57] <JontheEchidna>  kde4libs-4.4.1/mimetypes/kde.xml.podir/kde.xml.in
[15:57] <JontheEchidna>  kde4libs-4.4.1/mimetypes/kde.xml.podir/kde.xml.in.h
[15:57] <apachelogger> let kconf_update call the script and the script then dierctly acts on the config
[15:57] <agateau> apachelogger: can do, but how is this going to be triggered
[15:57] <JontheEchidna> dunno what those are or where they came from
[15:57] <apachelogger> agateau: by kconf_update? ^^
[15:57] <agateau> mmm
[15:58] <agateau> yes, actually the script could be a simple sed call...
[15:58] <agateau> but then I would need to hardcode $KDEHOME/share/config/plasma-desktop-appletsrc in it
[15:58] <ScottK> apachelogger: Any ideas about my kde4libs question?
[15:58] <agateau> not sure it's going to be a problem
[15:58] <agateau> mmmm
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: I think it's either leftovers from our l10n scripts or something that make clean doesn't catch
[15:59] <agateau> actually I don't know if it would work, because kconf_update writes to the config file at the end
[15:59] <agateau> apachelogger: going to give it a try
[15:59] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: there's nothing documenting those files in debian/changelog, though, so they should be safe to remove imo
[15:59] <apachelogger> agateau: kthx :)
[15:59] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: OK.  I'll go back to that after I finish fixing kdepim.
[15:59] <agateau> apachelogger: the other solution is to fix kconf_update
[15:59] <ScottK> Thanks.
[16:00] <JontheEchidna> no prob. I'm off to lunch now though
[16:00] <agateau> apachelogger: but it's a bit scary... and there is no test at all :/
[16:00] <apachelogger> agateau: well, maybe just sed for plugin=oldname?
[16:00] <apachelogger> cant go much wrong with that
[16:00] <agateau> apachelogger: yes, that's what I was thinking,
[16:01] <agateau> apachelogger: except I think kconf_update writes to the file after the script is run
[16:01] <agateau> so it's going to overwrite the changes
[16:09] <apachelogger> agateau: that would be unfortunate :S
[16:09]  * agateau tests
[16:21] <agateau> apachelogger: fail :/
[16:22] <agateau> guess it's time to give kconf_update some love
[16:49] <JontheEchidna> finally, something that described my spring vacation! http://all-thats-interesting.tumblr.com/post/453798400/what-my-spring-vacation-looks-like
[17:12] <shadeslayer> meh.... facebook XMPP is fail
[17:42] <lex79> JontheEchidna: can you upload phonon-backends to ninja before we start with 4.4.2 packaging?
[17:42] <lex79> I uploaded qt4, python-qt4, sip4, qscintilla2 to ninja
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> lex79: ok
[17:45] <JontheEchidna> uploaded
[17:45] <lex79> thanks
[17:46] <Quintasan> hngh
[17:46] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: did you apply for UDS sponsorship?
[17:46] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: yus
[17:47] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: in the Location field, I should put there nearest city where there is an airport that connects with Belgium?
[17:47] <JontheEchidna> I just put the nearest major airport for mine
[17:48] <Quintasan> Poland is a stupid country, really
[17:49] <ScottK> Quintasan: Put the airport you'd prefer to fly out of.
[17:49] <Quintasan> The airplane from Wroclaw goes to capital (Warsaw) and then to Belgium doubling the price
[17:49] <ScottK> Quintasan: Canonical's problem, not yours.
[17:51] <Quintasan> awesome, even from Berlin there are no direct connections :O
[17:53] <ScottK> Brussels is a bit of an odd choice from a transportation perspective.
[17:53] <ScottK> Don't worry about it though, if you are selected to be sponsored, Canonical has travel agents hired to help figure it all out.
[17:54] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: Do you know around when acceptance/rejection emails for sponsorship are sent?
[17:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: No.  It seems to vary.
[17:54] <jjesse> Quintasan: the last UDS i attended i told Canonical what city I was starting at and also if i had a prefered airline
[17:54] <jjesse> they made everything else for me
[17:59] <dfaure> While trying to install kubuntu 10.04 beta1 from CD, system booted, but X came up empty (after crashing a few times, say the logs). From a VT I started an xterm and from there I started "ubiquity kde_ui"; but I doubt joe user will find this :)
[18:00] <Quintasan> ScottK, JontheEchidna: http://pastebin.com/Xy3hBz2y <-- is it good enough or I should mention more things?
[18:01] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: Personally, I used all 1000 characters allotted to me, almost exatly
[18:01] <Quintasan> :O
[18:04] <JontheEchidna> dfaure: The live CD session came up empty? Wonder if the X crashes were related...
[18:07] <dfaure> actually I chose "Install" right away in the boot menu
[18:08] <JontheEchidna> ah, that's a bit different
[18:12] <JontheEchidna> bug 526486 maybe... but that should have been fixed a few days before the release
[18:13]  * Quintasan wonders if he should mention in Further information that he will come with his mother or father
[18:13] <Quintasan> ScottK: ^
[18:14] <ScottK> Quintasan: You should talk to ryanakca.  When he came to Barcelona, his Dad came too.  Not sure what he put.
[18:15] <Quintasan> okay
[18:17] <dfaure> usability suggestion: the partitioner GUI should show volume labels, to help identify the partitions
[18:17] <Quintasan> I bet nixternal is going to love this ^
[18:17] <maco> "i'm a kid, so i'll bring a chaperone"?
[18:18] <Quintasan> :O
[18:18] <dfaure> but the real question is: can't the partitioner resize ntfs partitions?
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> Quintasan: generally docs don't cover the installer, I don't think
[18:19]  * Quintasan reffered to topic when writing that
[18:19] <JontheEchidna> dfaure: should be able to. I don't think I would have been able to install on my laptop if it couldn't
[18:20] <dfaure> I see no gui for it. "Change..." button only offers partition type, format checkbox, mount point.
[18:21] <JontheEchidna> hmm, wonder if shyltman would know anything about that. Too bad he's not here...
[18:23] <dfaure> ok nm, I'll reinstall windows later if needed.
[18:24] <ScottK> The installer can resize NTFS partitions in general.  Whether the Lucid installer is capable of it today, no promises.
[18:25] <seele> theoretically possible = kids, do not try this at home without adult supervision?
[18:25] <dfaure> you can't try it at home, there's no button for it...
[18:25] <JontheEchidna> I thought there had been a "size" number edit in the change dialog... wonder why it's not there
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> will have to check it out next time I do iso testing
[18:40] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: I'm working on kde4libs again now.  I'll probably hold off a bit to upload so that kdepim on the slow archs doesn't get caught up in archive squeue.
[18:40] <JontheEchidna> k
[18:42] <ScottK> Test build takes a while on my laptop in any case.
[18:44] <ScottK> lex79: Are you working qt4-x11?
[18:45] <Quintasan> awsum
[18:45] <Quintasan> applied for sponsorship
[18:45] <lex79> ScottK: for what? JontheEchidna added new phonon patch and I added a cherry-picked patch from upstream. It's in bzr and ninja
[18:45] <ScottK> lex79: Bug #546024
[18:45] <ScottK> It's minor, but we ought to get it included.
[18:46] <ScottK> It's small, but a significant impact.
[18:46] <yuriy> 14:44 < PovAddict> yuriy: something in kdelibs includes attica/provider.h, but the kdelibs5-dev Ubuntu package doesn't depend on libattica-dev as it should
[18:46] <yuriy> ^ bug?
[18:46] <yuriy> i got an error about that file missing when compiling kdevplatform from svn
[18:46] <lex79> ScottK: It's not fixed yet, I have no time in this moment, if you can go ahed
[18:46] <ScottK> lex79: I don't either.  That's the problem.
[18:47] <lex79> ScottK: ok, I will do this night, ok?
[18:47] <ScottK> lex79: Great.
[18:47] <JontheEchidna> yuriy: bug 525367
[18:49] <yuriy> so if it shouldn't depend on it, what do you think should be the solution?
[18:49] <yuriy> is khns part of kdelibs?
[18:49] <JontheEchidna> build-depend of the other apps?
[18:50] <JontheEchidna> it's got it's runtime/libs components strewn in several places, iirc
[18:54] <yuriy> but libattica is already a build-depend of kdelibs? then why can't it be a depend of kdelibs-dev?
[18:55] <yuriy> it makes sense that it shouldn't be kdevplatform's responsibility to check if kdelibs AND all of its dependencies are there
[18:59]  * Quintasan high-fives apachelogger
[18:59] <Quintasan> class magic in c++ is full of awesomeness
[19:07] <dfaure> ok, now booted the alternate CD in expert mode, and it offers to resize partitions...
[20:17] <ryanakca> Quintasan: I don't think I added anything regarding my parents, Jorge and my dad chatted on the phone for a bit to make sure I wasn't being sold into slavery or something of the sort :P
[20:19] <DarkwingDuck> whats the diccussion for irc clients? +1 for Quassel
[20:19] <DarkwingDuck> ref: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo
[20:37] <ScottK> yuriy: If your package needs a header from attica, it ought to build-depend on it directly.
[20:48] <dfaure> the alternate installer is quite nice for the crypto setup... except that it's impossible to change one's mind and delete crypted volumes??
[20:50] <nixternal> dfaure: you need to write the crypto crap to disk first, or undo. i can't remember the trick around that
[20:51] <dfaure> that's the problem, it got all written to disk...
[20:52] <dfaure> the undo menuitem doesn't do anything. I was able to delete all the logical stuff, but not the physical volumes
[20:53] <nixternal> hrmm, there is a trick and I can't remember what it is
[20:53] <dfaure> guess I have to use the command line....
[20:53] <nixternal> maybe you have to go into the configure crypto part....damn, i hate that i can't remember this, and i have done it so many times
[20:57] <dfaure> now this is weird, I used pvremove to get rid of 1 pv (dunno why it didn't show both), but they both still appear in the installer, even after going back to the main menu
[20:57] <nixternal> ctrl+alt+del :D
[21:08] <dfaure> that worked.
[21:10] <nixternal> what was the trick?
 ctrl+alt+del :D
[21:11] <nixternal> hahaha
[21:11] <nixternal> that's cheating though
[21:12] <dfaure> I tried everything else :)
[21:13] <nixternal> gotta reboot, brb
[21:15] <yuriy> ScottK: not a package, building kdevplatform from svn
[21:16] <yuriy> there is no check for attica, just for kdelibs, part of which happens to need attica
[21:30] <dfaure> now this is weird. I set up everything in an encrypted lvm, and yet after creating the user it asks "do you want to crypt the home dir?"
[21:31] <dfaure> I have no idea what's going to happen if say yes, or no, to that question :/
[21:32] <nixternal> say no dfaure
[21:33] <nixternal> yeah, that decrypted home partition is quite nice actually, but seeing as you already setup encrypted drives, and I am guessing your ~/ as well, you don't need to do it again...now I don't encrypt all of the partitions like I used to, and just do the ~/ one with that final option when creating your user account
[21:33] <nixternal> seems a bit faster as well at times
[21:33] <dfaure> if I had known, I would have just done that, seems a lot simpler to setup ;)
[21:34] <dfaure> is this about ~/Private like https://wiki.kubuntu.org/EncryptedHomeDirectory says? so it's not a real partition, just a mounted file?
[21:35] <nixternal> yeah, that ~/ encryption option is on the live disks now as well...that option and encrypted disks on the alt installer is confusing
[21:35] <nixternal> but after you have done it once, it is a breeze afterwards :)
[22:02] <pascal_> I would like to get the 3g part working in knetworkmanger for 10.04. Who should I talk to?
[22:04] <dfaure> I would say sebas, in #kde-devel
[22:05] <dfaure> (or wstephenson, also there)
[22:05] <pascal_> dfaure: ok. I'll try that
[22:05]  * dfaure is also interested in 3g working ;-)
[22:06] <pascal_> will they be able help with getting it ready for 10.04, do you think?
[22:06] <dfaure> they're the developers of knetworkmanager. They might not care for "10.04", but they certainly care for knetworkmanager working well ;)
[22:07] <dfaure> LOL. On a brand new kubuntu 10.04 install, running kpackagekit -> crash window.
[22:07] <pascal_> ok
[22:09] <pepee> hi, I had this issue: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=229525
[22:10] <pepee> now I can't log into kubuntu while using radeon driver
[22:14] <pepee> I forgot to mention some details: didn't uninstall the driver before upgrading, and installed it this way: http://www.phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?p=110091#post110091
[22:41] <nixternal> umm, is it known that installing netbook image, you don't create a user?
[22:41] <nixternal> it doesn't create a user that is
[22:41] <nixternal> ScottK: ^^?
[22:46] <nixternal> hrmm, and it seems jockey is broken
[22:46] <nixternal> fork
[22:50] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: yeah, I fscked up the .ui file by accidentally commiting some changes... fixed in bzr for the next release
[22:50] <nixternal> lol
[22:50] <nixternal> gotta figure out jockey-text :D
[22:51] <JontheEchidna> :D
[22:51] <nixternal> I found a linksys wireless-g card in my stash of goodies, but it seems it is broken
[22:51] <nixternal> my computer sees it get plugged in, but that's about it
[23:19] <nixternal> for broadcom cards, which is the better driver: B43 (Free) or STA (Proprietary)?
[23:19] <nixternal> I have used the STA one in the past, it worked, but I couldn't scan networks