rickspencer3TheMuso, I'm betting you know ...02:33
rickspencer3if i want to use Jack to record sounds from my desktop with gtk-record-my-desktop, which package(s) do I need to install?02:34
TheMusorickspencer3: why jack?02:50
rickspencer3TheMuso, I dunno02:50
rickspencer3because gtk-record-my-desktop offers it as an option02:50
TheMusoDoes gtk-record-my-desktop use anything else?02:51
rickspencer3basically, I want to make screen casts and include the sounds my desktop makes in addtion to what comes from the mic02:51
rickspencer3maybe a different app will work better02:51
TheMusoRight, to do so, you would pretty much have to use jack.02:51
rickspencer3TheMuso, so Jack is installed, but jackd won't run02:52
TheMusoWhat you need to do, is start jack, sit pulse on top of jack, then reroute the audio from pulse to the applicatino you are recording with.02:52
rickspencer3that sounds very sucky02:52
TheMusorickspencer3: Right, how are you trying to run jackd?02:52
rickspencer3sudo jackd -r02:52
TheMusorickspencer3: In one way I agree, but in another, I don't.02:52
rickspencer3I guess I meant "hard" not "sucky"02:53
TheMusorickspencer3: Yeah its not easy.02:53
TheMusorickspencer3: I suggest you install qjackctl. That will allow you to start jack and suspend pulse from using the sound card.02:54
rickspencer3I think that's installed02:54
rickspencer3can I now just run hack?02:54
rickspencer3I meant jacl02:55
rickspencer3a bit of a typo02:55
rickspencer3jack, in fact02:55
TheMusoh ok02:55
TheMusoqjackctl runs jack for you02:55
TheMusohowever, I am not personally sure as to how one sets up pulse with jack. I've never done it myself.02:56
TheMusothe pavucontrol package may allow you to do it easily from a GUI.02:56
rickspencer3not working at all02:56
TheMusohrm interesting.02:56
TheMusowhat does qjackctl give you in the log window?02:57
rickspencer3rick@rick-desktop:~$ qjackctl02:58
rickspencer3Suspending PulseAudio02:58
rickspencer3though I since killed it02:58
rickspencer3and now my sound is dead02:58
TheMusointeresting. When you shut down qjackctl, pulse should have stopped suspension.02:59
rickspencer3though I am not surpised by that02:59
TheMusoHow did you kill qjackctl?02:59
rickspencer3rick@rick-desktop:~$ pulseaudio02:59
rickspencer3E: pid.c: Daemon already running.02:59
rickspencer3E: main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed.02:59
rickspencer3TheMuso, I used cntrl-C02:59
TheMusorickspencer3: right, which probably killed the script mid step, causing things not to exit as they probably should in order for suspend to be disabled.03:00
TheMusorickspencer3: to get pulse going again run pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio --start03:00
rickspencer3I was impatient03:00
TheMusorickspencer3: Is there a good reason why you want the sounds recorded?03:03
TheMusopitty that recordmydesktop doesn't use pulseaudio.03:04
rickspencer3TheMuso, yes, I want to demonstrate how to use PyGame mixer module03:04
TheMusorickspencer3: ah ok.03:05
rickspencer3hearing the sound would greatly help with this03:05
rickspencer3so it still says:03:05
rickspencer3rick@rick-desktop:~$ qjackctl03:05
rickspencer3Suspending PulseAudio03:05
TheMusoyeah thats right. But do you get a window pop up?03:05
rickspencer320:01:23.255 Patchbay deactivated.03:05
rickspencer320:01:23.315 Statistics reset.03:05
rickspencer320:01:23.328 ALSA connection graph change.03:05
rickspencer320:01:23.526 ALSA connection change.03:05
rickspencer3I have only dim ideas of what any of this means03:06
TheMusorickspencer3: hrm ok, maybe it would be better to run jackd from the command-line, however a few other things need to be done first to make things work properly, and as I said, I am not sure how to set up pulse to use jack.03:07
rickspencer3this is probably not a good use of your time03:07
rickspencer3I thought I would just run the Jack Audio Connection tool03:07
rickspencer3and it would all work03:07
TheMusoNot that easy unfortunately.03:08
TheMusoEven if you got it running, you still need to route the audio from pulseaudio via jack to the recorder application, as well as your mic.03:08
rickspencer3oh fudge03:08
rickspencer3that sounds heinous03:08
TheMusoWell jack was designed for advanced routing like that/pro audio use.03:09
rickspencer3is there a way for me tell Pulse Audio that sound to my speakers is really an input device?03:09
rickspencer3TheMuso, yeah, I understand03:09
rickspencer3I'm not holding it against Jack03:09
rickspencer3what I'll end up doing is using external speakers and an external mic03:09
TheMusorickspencer3: Not that I know of. If anything its probably not possible from a pulse perspective.03:09
TheMusoWhich is why audio re-routing has to be done, so that the audio from the app doesn't even get to the speakers.03:10
rickspencer3speakers and external mic it will have to be03:11
rickspencer3already wasted to much time on this03:11
rickspencer3thanks TheMuso03:12
RAOFTheMuso: Can't you hook up monitor sources in pulseaudio?  Wouldn't that pretty much do what rick wants?03:12
TheMusoRAOF: Probably, I don't know enough about that.03:12
TheMusoto comment03:12
RAOFI don't think there's a UI for it, but I think it's possible.03:12
RAOFNot that “possible, as long as you're willing to code it” is a particularly useful state. :)03:13
rickspencer3RAOF, what is the basic idea there?03:13
RAOFYou can certainly get the output of a pulseaudio sink as an input; that's how the gnome-volume-control shows the peak information (you know, the bar that bounces with the audio).03:14
RAOFI don't have anything more concrete than being pretty sure it's *technically* possible to do with pulse.03:15
RAOF<handwave>You'd feed the monitor source of your soundcard's sink & your mic source into module-combine, then pipe that into whatever's doing the recording</handwave>03:16
RAOFAfter writing all the UI to do that, of course.03:17
rickspencer3that sounds like an interesting project03:17
rickspencer3but probably not worth blocking on ;)03:17
RAOFMaybe I'll expose enough pulse in pulseaudio-sharp 0.3 to write that UI in a sensible language ;)03:18
rickspencer3RAOF, TheMuso what would happen if I got a wire that was male on each end ...03:18
rickspencer3and plugged it into the headphone jack on one end, and the microphone jack on the other end03:18
TheMusorickspencer3: You still need something to mix both the sources from your mic and the computer03:18
rickspencer3oh, right03:19
TheMusoSO what you would have is mic && speaker output -> mixing device -> input of computer03:19
rickspencer3The easy answer is obvious03:19
rickspencer3but I don't have any nice sounding speakers03:19
rickspencer3probably doesn't matter though03:20
rickspencer3thanks guys03:20
rickspencer3TheMuso, pavucontrol has my answer03:22
rickspencer3when I am doing the sounds, I can switch on the Recording tab to use my internal stereo03:22
rickspencer3I *think* that will let me choose between the mic and the sounds in real time03:23
rickspencer3too bad it's radio buttons instead of check boxes :/03:23
TheMusorickspencer3: I don't think you can do what you want to do with pavucontrol, could be wrong though, never used it to control recording.03:25
rickspencer3I just did it03:25
RAOFYou can't just add a voice over in post-processing?03:26
rickspencer3RAOF, not really03:27
rickspencer3it's really about programming03:27
TheMusorickspencer3: if you want only one source or the other, then I guess thats fine.03:29
rickspencer3so pavucontrol lists Monitor of Internal AUdio Stereo as a selectable input device03:29
TheMusowhen you talk to me about recording multiple sources, then I automatically start thinking all pro and mixing etc.03:29
rickspencer3TheMuso, there is no way to mix these easily?03:30
rickspencer3in any case, this way is fine03:30
TheMusorickspencer3: actually, you said monitor of stereo audio device, thats what you want, you just have to get your mic playing out your spakers, which could get messy.03:30
rickspencer3TheMuso, right03:30
TheMusoso Isuggest flicking between monitor of stereo audio and the mic03:30
rickspencer3waaaay back int eh day there was a way to do that on my Mac03:31
rickspencer3TheMuso, just switching between them is totally fine for my purpose03:31
rickspencer3pavucontrol is pretty cool03:32
RAOFIt is.  A bit messy, ui wise, but handy when you need it.03:32
rickspencer3well, now there is no way that I have time to actually make the video tonight :)03:34
rickspencer3my PyGame template seems mostly done03:34
rickspencer3just need to add a template desktop file and icon03:34
rickspencer3didrocks implemented this notion of command inheritance, so I made the PyGame template inherit it's package command from the ubuntu-application package command03:35
rickspencer3and it worked first try!03:35
rickspencer3You know what I just realized03:36
rickspencer3with pavucontrol, I have the power to play pretty much anything I want into mumble03:36
jonoczajkowski, up early?05:53
czajkowskijono: yup06:26
pittiGood morning07:10
didrocksgood morning07:44
pittibonjour didrocks07:47
didrockshey pitti, how are you today?07:51
pittibit of a sore throat, but I'm great otherwise, thanks; how about you?07:52
pittilooking forward to "release day" again? :-)07:52
didrocksright :-) Nothing too fancy today. I'll try to work a little on Quickly too to be able to release it (will need FF) as my latest patches are in Launchpad finally :)07:53
didrocksotherwise I'm fine, thanks07:53
didrockstake care to not be ill :)07:54
* pitti replies to the gthumb 2.10 vs. 2.11 bug, does a few more experiments, finds more and more bugs08:17
pittiargh, I so much want 2.10 back *sniff*08:17
pittididrocks: how does 2.11 work for you?08:17
pittifor me it's quite dreadful :(08:17
didrockspitti: I had no crash, got some bugs but upstream told me that a new release will be there for beta1 (which hasn't been the case). Importing worked as weel (I tried when we synced, not again since). I can give it a look again today08:18
* didrocks likes shotwell to be honest :)08:19
pittididrocks: I tried it yesterday08:20
pittiI wonder why all three popular photo managers now own your photos, differently08:20
didrocksoh, I totally agree with that, that's a shame :(08:20
didrocksthe thing is that shotwell fit very well in a netbook screen, contrary to gthumb and f-spot08:21
didrockspitti: just so your remark on the bug report. FYI, shotwell doesn't change anything in the hierarchy if you use the "Picture" folder to have your photo. And there is an option too to avoid copying them when importing from another directory08:45
seb128didrocks, 'lu08:47
didrockshey seb128, how are you?08:47
seb128hey, quite good thank you! you?08:47
seb128you talk about what bug report there?08:48
didrocksI'm fine too, thanks :)08:48
seb128you guys work on shotwell now?08:48
didrocksseb128: bug #54587108:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 545871 in gthumb "[lucid] downgrade to stable 2.10" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54587108:48
seb128hum, k08:48
didrocksseb128: the discussion was brought that I'm not using gthumb nor f-spot but shotwell :)08:48
seb128how is shotwell revelant to the gthumb version?08:49
seb128oh ok08:49
seb128shotwell is interesting but still lacks quite a lot08:49
didrocksseb128: it was just a side note about the "OMG it clutters my FSH with its own format"08:49
seb128it does sort by tags though still?08:50
didrocksseb128: right, it just do what I need, but I have very limited needs in that area :)08:50
seb128I think pitti want sorting by directories08:50
pittibonjour seb12808:50
didrocksnot sure if we can have this view in shotwell. I think not, will check with upstream08:50
pittilet's not worry about shotwell now; MM material :)08:51
seb128pitti, hey08:53
tjaaltonis there a way to disable the popups about low disk space? those are shown for network filesystems too..09:06
pittitjaalton: ther's a checkbox; but they shouldn't be shown for network fs, mind filing a bug about it with a "gvfs-mount -li" output?09:09
tjaaltonpitti: sure thing09:09
tjaaltonhmm, that lists only the dvd-drive09:10
tjaaltonthese are mounted in fstab09:10
pittitjaalton: ah; well, please include it anyway, plus the lines from fstab and "mount" output09:11
tjaaltonpitti: against gvfs?09:13
pittitjaalton: gnome-disk-utility09:13
seb128pitti, did you see that bug from elmo btw?09:16
seb128pitti, and the one from kees09:16
seb128pitti, do you use encrypted disks on lucid?09:16
pittiseb128: I saw the bugs, but didn't follow up yet09:17
pittiI'm currently triaging bugs and catchin up on mail, so I should get to it in the next hour or two09:17
seb128pitti, the bug from elmo has something using devicekit09:17
pittiseb128: I don't use cryptsetup, just ecryptfs09:17
seb128dunno what though09:17
seb128or how to figure what that is09:17
tjaaltonpitti: filed bug 54674009:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546740 in gnome-disk-utility "popups about low disk space for NFS mounts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54674009:20
pittitjaalton: thanks09:20
pittitjaalton: but still, don't you have a checkbox to disable them? I do09:20
tjaaltonpitti: yes, but how to solve it system-wide?09:21
pittitjaalton: hm, you don't, I think; you can workaround it by removing /etc/xdg/autostart/gdu-notification-daemon.desktop (or disabling it)09:21
tjaaltoncan't find it with gconf-editor09:21
tjaaltonoh, that works09:21
tjaaltonwould be fine if it complained about your quota, though..09:22
pittiheh, yes09:22
pittitjaalton: but I don't think it should touch these at all09:22
pittiapps will tell you if they run out of space when saving onto them09:22
tjaaltonand if nautilus showed the remaining quota, not the fs data09:23
tjaaltonoh yes they do :)09:23
pittitjaalton: it's primarily interesting for /, since running out of space there produces tons of inexplicable effects09:23
pitti(/home as well)09:23
tjaaltondisabled the notificator locally, it's enough for me09:24
pittitjaalton: it's also the bit that warns you about SMART failure, so be aware of it :009:25
* pitti repairs shift key and the smiley -> :)09:25
tjaaltonpitti: nah, hd's are cheap and not my problem to change them ;)09:25
pittihds are, but your data on them might not09:25
tjaaltonthe workstations are practically stateless anyway09:25
pittiah, ok09:25
tjaaltonnothing valuable on them09:25
tjaaltonpop a new one in and reinstall09:26
pittitjaalton: hey, the Linux kernel alone is some $10G, isn't it? :-)09:26
tjaaltonpitti: oh right, better start saving ;)09:26
pittiseb128: for bug 546446, it seems we just need to add an unlink() call to g-k startup, until shortly before lucid final?09:28
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546446 in gnome-keyring "old session keyring still on disk" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54644609:28
pittiseb128: do you want to handle that, or shall I?09:28
seb128pitti, right, I would guess so09:28
seb128pitti, if you could that would be great09:28
seb128pitti, I've a busy list for today09:28
pittiactually, I think we should overwrite it with zeros first, and then unlink09:28
pittiseb128: alrighty09:28
seb128pitti, danke!09:29
seb128didrocks, how are the clutter updates going?09:37
KambankaUbuntu 10.04 has the titlebar buttons on the left - what were the designers thinking? And were they thinking at all!@#$09:37
didrocksseb128: i386 packages are built. Not amd64 (maybe build system waiting). If you want to give a try (no issue on my side): use the ubuntu-desktop ppa and my ppa for clutter-gtk (was too confident and didn't upload an ~ppa1 version and it FTBFS in the ubuntu-desktop ppa)09:38
seb128didrocks, still waiting on feedback to go to lucid?09:39
seb128didrocks, I would recommend updating today, it's getting tight09:39
didrocksseb128: ok, it's a dch -r "" away so, can do it now :)09:40
seb128tomorrow is friday and you know that friday is not a good day for such changes and next week is beta2 freeze so it's getting late too09:40
didrocksdoing it09:40
seb128let me know if I can help in some way09:40
seb128ok thanks09:40
pittiargh, someone please shoot me -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/421212/comments/3810:00
ubottuUbuntu bug 421212 in gnome-settings-daemon "gdm ignores keyboard layout selection for variants" [High,Fix released]10:00
didrockspoor pitti :/10:01
* didrocks hugs pitti10:01
* seb128 hugs pitti10:01
dpmhi pitti, I've got a question on p-d-e if you've got a minute. I was talking to kelemengabor about this patch to make a string on the music store translatable -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kelemeng/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/bug546749 The plugin uses p-d-e auto, and I think in the patch the setup.cfg file can be dropped. However, p-d-e gives a message that .plugin.in files are not supported, and we're not sure how to best specify how to bui10:19
dpmld the .plugin file from .plugin.in and install it. Do we have to explicitly add it to setup.py?10:19
pittidpm: indeed, p-d-e's auto module doesn't pick up *.plugin.in, since that's not a standard file format10:23
pittidpm: so you have to explicitly add it to setup.cfg, hang on10:23
pittikey_files = [('destination/dir', ['sourcedir/foo.plugin.in']), ... ]10:24
pittidpm: ^ like this10:24
pitti(assuming that it's the key file format, for intltool-merge -k)10:24
dpmpitti, thanks. kelemengabor used the desktop file format, I'll have to check if it's the best format. The setup.cfg file on the patch looks like:10:26
dpmdesktop_files=[("/usr/lib/rhythmbox/plugins/umusicstore", ("umusicstore/umusicstore.rb-plugin.in",))]10:27
pittidpm: that should work10:28
dpmdoes the domain need to be specified? or p-d-e will infer it anyway?10:28
dpmp-d-e auto10:28
MacSlowNafai, hey there10:32
seb128Nafai, he's on the other side of the ocean so not up yet before some hours10:33
MacSlowNafai, I'll get to your email (reply) regarding n-osd and LP: #451086 during the day. Busy still with some other stuff10:33
MacSlowseb128, ah ok10:33
seb128hey chrisccoulson10:33
chrisccoulsonhey seb128 - how are you?10:33
seb128chrisccoulson, good thank you! what about you?10:34
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, good thanks. a bit tired though10:34
pittiseb128: FTR, luks usb sticks work like charm here, I followed up to kees' and elmo's reports with requests for further debug info10:34
seb128pitti, thank you!10:35
seb128chrisccoulson, did you work late or baby woke you up or both? ;-)10:35
chrisccoulsonseb128 - both ;)10:35
chrisccoulsonmy daughter has got back in to the habit of waking every 2 hours during the night again ;)10:36
seb128I see ;-)10:36
seb128pitti, the bug from kees, I think the issue is that's it not automount as it should10:40
seb128pitti, the udisks log says it's a system partition not a removable device10:40
seb128pitti, that seemed what is buggy to me10:40
seb128pitti, <kees>seb128: it looks like gvfs saw the drive and didn't do anything about it.10:41
seb128pitti, that's from yesterday on IRC btw10:42
pittiah, indeed10:45
=== dpm is now known as dpm-bbl
pittiseb128: bug updated10:47
seb128pitti, danke!10:47
chrisccoulsonpitti - is bug 546740 really a gdu bug?10:48
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546740 in gnome-disk-utility "popups about low disk space for NFS mounts" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54674010:48
pittichrisccoulson: I haven't looked at it in detail, but why not?10:49
pittichrisccoulson: well, it could be udisks, if that invalidly tracks nfs mounts10:49
chrisccoulsonpitti - i know g-s-d handles low disk space warnings, but i'm not sure if gdu is handling those too now10:49
pittibut it seemed to be a good starting point10:49
aquariusseb128, is there any way we can let apport know that a crash in Rhythmbox is actually caused by the music store plugin, so you don't have to keep reassigning bugs? :)11:00
seb128aquarius, yes, I was just thinking about that11:00
aquariusI thought you might be. :) I can't help people who file music store bugs against Rhythmbox manually, but we could at least help apport bugs. I don't know enough about apport to know whether this is doable, though11:01
seb128aquarius, we could let the hook ask if the issue is happening with rhythmbox or with the music store11:01
aquariusooh, hooks can do interactive stuff? I didn't know that.11:01
seb128aquarius, or we can look at the stacktrace if the musicstore.so is there and reassign those which have it in the stacktrace too11:01
seb128aquarius, try ubuntu-bug rhythmbox on lucid?11:02
seb128aquarius, it's already asking questions11:03
seb128we can tweak those11:03
aquariusExcellent. So one more question, "The Ubuntu One Music Store is not working correctly".11:03
aquariusheh. I assume that "No sound is being played" sends the bug to pulseaudio and "some audio files are not being played correctly" sends it to gstreamer? ;)11:04
aquariusah, found the apport hook11:05
seb128aquarius, something around those line yes, but using the interactive audio hook11:05
seb128aquarius, /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_rhythmbox.py11:05
seb128aquarius, you are welcome to send a patch for it11:05
aquariusdoing so now...11:06
aquariushow do I test an apport hook without building and installing the package?11:06
seb128aquarius, edit /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_rhythmbox.py directly?11:07
seb128until you have what you want11:07
seb128and then diff with the ubuntu one11:07
* aquarius grins. That's what I was going to do, I just thought that I was being an evil hacky person :)11:08
seb128aquarius, btw could you look at bug #54624411:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546244 in rhythmbox "selecting "Jump to Playing Song" crashes program when previewing a song from Ubuntu One store" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54624411:08
seb128not sure if that's a rhythmbox bug for crashing11:08
seb128or if the store should unactivate the jump to playing song in some way11:08
seb128didrocks, you rocks btw if I didn't say it today ;-)11:09
aquariushrm. I think RB shouldn't *crash*. When we play a streamed song we create a library entry for it, and it'spossible that I'm creating that library entry wrong so it's unjumpable11:09
seb128didrocks, the no gdm sound change works great11:09
* didrocks hugs seb128 (even if I don't know why ;))11:09
didrocksoh sweet!11:10
seb128aquarius, ok, I will upstream tht one11:10
seb128aquarius, btw do you want the crashes in webkit code be reassigned to the store?11:11
seb128or to webkit11:11
aquariusfor the moment, the store11:11
seb128ok thanks11:11
seb128I was going to suggests doing that too11:11
aquariusif we can work around them, we will, and then assign to webkit to actually have the crasher fixed11:11
seb128we don't have anybody actively working on webkit11:11
seb128so I'm not sure they would get attention there11:11
aquariusthat's what I thought, too :)11:11
seb128is anybody in your team upstreaming webkit issues?11:12
seb128that would be a good idea imho11:12
seb128we need to invest some energy on webkit bugs anyway, with the store + software-center using it now11:12
aquariusI've had some conversations with xan, but we haven't actively upstreamed the issues yet because we haven't actually had that many -- although possibly you're now going to tell me that we've had millions but they're all assigned to Rhythmbox and I haven't noticed11:12
seb128those a key components in lucid11:12
seb128aquarius, no, it's rather than webkit upstream seems active and I'm for setting up good records of being good citizen and having a good relationship with them if we can11:13
aquarius*nod* agreed completely.11:13
aquariushm. If we get a crash in RB, and from RB's apport hook I execlp "apport rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store", it'll lose the crash information, won't it?11:14
aquariusbut if I add_package_info("rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store") then it'll still be a rhythmbox bug as well as a musicstore bug. Can I tell apport "use this package *instead* of the one you think it is", rather than *as well as* the one you think it is?11:15
seb128if report.has_key("Stacktrace") and "/usr/lib/nautilus" in report["Stacktrace"]:11:18
seb128for words in report["Stacktrace"].split():11:18
seb128if words.startswith("/usr/lib/nautilus"):11:18
seb128aquarius, you can copy that I guess11:18
seb128aquarius, well it's probably easier in your case11:19
seb128aquarius, that code reassign to whatever package contain a nautilus .so listed in the stacktrace...11:19
seb128aquarius, ie if it the stacktrace has /usr/lib/nautilus/ubuntuone.so it will open the bug on the source package for it11:19
seb128it assumes that if a .so is listed it's responsive for the issue ;-)11:20
aquariusyep, that's how I'll autodetect crashes. I'm trying to work out how I can make the report be assigned to rb-u1-music-store and *not* be assigned to rhythmbox, without just cheating by exec'ing apport again. add_package_info will add rb-u1-m-s to the report, but it'll leave rhythmbox on the bug, won't it?11:20
aquariusmaybe I'm misunderstanding how apport reports work11:20
* aquarius rtfs :)11:20
seb128aquarius, I'm not sure now but I'm pretty sure it does open on the corresponding source11:21
aquariusok, so I'll just add rb-u1-m-s and that should work. nice.11:21
seb128right, try to do11:22
seb128in the hook11:22
aquariusexactly what I'm doing11:22
seb128it's easy to test, see where ubuntu-bug is sending you when you open a bug11:22
seb128pitti, bug #54678511:27
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546785 in gnome-control-center "keyboard layouts don't remain" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54678511:27
pittiseb128: please assign to me (will look later on)11:28
seb128pitti, ok11:28
pittiI did some 3 hours of bug triage now, and piled up some 5 new assigned bugs; one more won't make a lot of difference :)11:28
* aquarius grumbles. stacktraces for webkit crashes don't mention the music store at all. Should I assume that all webkit crashes in Rhythmbox are music store crashes?11:31
seb128since rhythmbox doesn't use webkit11:32
seb128oh, the context sidepane does but it's not on by default11:33
seb128I think most of the crashes we will get are store ones11:33
seb128no offense to you11:33
seb128but the store will get lot of users ;-)11:33
* aquarius laughs11:34
aquariusyeah, you're right :)11:34
pittiseb128: btw, the retracers keep crashing on the same bug; it doesn't help to just restart them, we have to figure out what's wrong with that particular bug (or unmark it for retracing for now)11:38
seb128pitti, right-o, I was just thinking the same when I saw they crashed again11:39
pittiseb128: bug 546785 doesn't look like a regression at least, just that gconf and gdm have a different idea of what the default layout is11:40
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546785 in gnome-control-center "keyboard layouts don't remain" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54678511:40
seb128pitti, oh, good, I didn't try to understand it to be honest11:41
pittiseb128: I have a suspicion, but I'll ask for data to confirm11:41
chrisccoulsonpitti - did you figure out where the low disk space warning comes from?11:45
pittichrisccoulson: I didn't look at it yet, no11:45
chrisccoulsonpitti - ok, no worries11:45
chrisccoulsoni will recognise where it comes from if i see a screenshot11:46
chrisccoulsontjaalton, would you mind attaching one to your bug report?11:46
pittiI'd be really surprised if it wasn't the gdu one11:47
tjaaltonit's the one with the checkbox11:48
tjaaltonare there others?11:48
chrisccoulsontjaalton, that's what we're trying to make sure of11:49
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: I don't have the popup open anymore11:49
nigelbpitti: sorry, totally forgot about changing from changelog.  will watchout in future :)11:50
chrisccoulsontjaalton, no worries, i will get one to open now and show you a screenshot, and you can say if the one that you see looks similar11:50
aquariusseb128, https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~sil/ubuntu/lucid/rhythmbox/add-music-store-apport-hook/+merge/22117 (is a merge request the right way to submit this?)11:50
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: ok11:50
chrisccoulsontjaalton, does it look a bit like this: http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/Screenshot-Low%20Disk%20Space.png11:51
chrisccoulson(you might not have the empty wastebasket button)11:51
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: yep that's the one11:52
chrisccoulsontjaalton, cool, thanks11:52
chrisccoulsoni'll reassign to g-s-d then11:52
chrisccoulsoni'm surprised you see it for nfs though, g-s-d has an exclude list and i thought that nfs was on that11:52
chrisccoulsoni've just noticed that my laptop only has 50.3GB of space left11:53
chrisccoulsontjaalton, that list is populated when you click the checkbox in the warning11:56
chrisccoulsonbut there is an external exclude list to ensure that you never see warnings for certain types of filesystems11:57
tjaaltonchrisccoulson: alright11:57
chrisccoulsoni'll have a look at that at some point if pitti doesn't get round to it first though11:58
tjaaltonnot urgent, since now I can add some paths to the default settings11:59
tjaaltonknowing where to put them11:59
pittichrisccoulson: http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/Screenshot-Low%20Disk%20Space.png -> I hope you triggerred that synthetically somehow? :-)11:59
chrisccoulsonpitti - i did ;)12:00
chrisccoulsonthe thresholds are configurable for debugging purposes12:00
chrisccoulsonthe default threshold is < 5% AND < 2GB12:00
kenvandinegood morning everyone12:01
pittihey kenvandine, how are you?12:01
chrisccoulsonhey kenvandine12:02
kenvandinepitti, good, need more coffee :)12:02
seb128aquarius, sorry I was having lunch, we usually prefer bug reports associated with those but I will review that one now so need to bother12:08
seb128aquarius, looks good, thank you12:10
pittichrisccoulson: oh, it's gsd? I thought these dialogs came from the gdu-notification-daemon12:11
chrisccoulsonpitti - these dialogs come from the housekeeping plugin in g-s-d12:11
pittiok, good to know12:12
* kenvandine has to run out for a appointment... be back in about an hour12:13
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Ngpitti: you have a Sony e-reader, right? Can we blacklist the LAUNCHER partition? :)13:43
kenvandinequiet morning13:45
davmor2Guys has the policy changed on notifications being clickable through?  ie if there is an action below a notification you can't click on it which I thought you could in karmic.13:55
didrocksdavmor2: there is bug opened on that13:56
davmor2didrocks: thanks I just spotted it for the first time so thought I'd double check :)13:57
kenvandinehey  didrocks13:57
didrockshey kenvandine13:57
chrisccoulsonseb128 - the nm-applet changes are merged now btw13:58
chrisccoulson(sorry, i forgot to mention yesterday)13:58
pittiNg: I do, yes; what is a LAUNCHER partition?14:00
pittiNg: my PRS-505 doesn't have any "weird" ones, just the two card readers and the internal memory14:00
pittiNg: if your's has an useless one, please feel free to report an udisks bug14:01
Ngpitti: oh. I have a PRS-300 (internal storage only) but it has a second partition which has Windows/MacOS software installers14:01
Ngpitti: will ubuntu-bug udisks pull in sufficient information for your needs, or is there something else I should attach?14:02
seb128chrisccoulson, oh good thanks14:04
pittiNg: as long as the device is connected while you report it, it should suffice14:05
Ngpitti: excellent thanks, filing now14:05
* Ng also idly wonders if there's any way of getting the device to appear with a cute icon instead of a Mass Storage thing ;)14:06
Ng(do any eReaders get nice icons?)14:06
pittiNg: mine doesn't; we don't currently have udev rules/gvfs probers for those14:07
pittiNg: do we even have icons?14:07
NgI have no idea, I was just OCDing out loud ;)14:07
asacdidrocks: what was the game you mentioned  a while back?14:14
* kenvandine has become addicted to frozen bubble on the G1 :)14:15
kenvandinefor some reason i have a terrible time putting that down :)14:15
didrocksasac: it was yo frankie!14:16
didrocksasac: http://www.yofrankie.org/14:16
seb128pitti, is there a way to tell the retracers to skip a bug?14:17
pittiseb128: remove the needs-$arch-retrace tag14:17
seb128pitti, right, the issue there is that lp oops when trying to access the webpage14:17
seb128pitti, which I think makes the retracer crash too14:18
seb128pitti, I will try to ask #launchpad14:18
seb128same on edge and non-edge14:18
pittiseb128: what's the bug#? I'll try as apport user14:18
pittiseb128: or you add a quick hack to crash-digger to ignore that particular number :)14:18
seb128pitti, ok, got it14:19
seb128pitti, +edit works14:19
seb128amd64 retracer restarting at next cron job14:19
seb128let's see how it goes14:19
seb128pitti, retracers restarted let's see how it goes14:28
pittiseb128: merci!14:28
seb128you're welcome ;-)14:29
dobeywhat's the preferred way of asking for a package to be installed, programmatically, these days?14:37
dobeyrickspencer3, pitti: ^^14:37
rickspencer3with a depends in the deb file14:37
pittidobey: you mean from an application?14:38
* pitti defers to mvo14:38
pittiin the past it was calling synaptics with some magic options, but that might be out of date14:38
dobeypitti: yeah14:38
dobeymvo: ping :)14:38
mvodobey: hey, how much control do you want ? you can just run "software-center pkgname" and it will show a screen with information, screenshot (if available) and install button14:39
mvodobey: if you want to install it from your own app, aptdaemon is a good way, it has a dbus API similar to PK14:40
dobeymvo: well it's a package in universe14:40
* chrisccoulson wishes there was a C library for aptdaemon14:40
pittimvo: sweet!14:40
dobeychrisccoulson: dbus-glib :)14:40
chrisccoulsondobey - yeah, but i'd have to implement my own progressbar widget and stuff14:41
seb128chrisccoulson, you want yet another api just to wrap dbus calls there?14:41
dobeymvo: so i don't know how much control i 'want' (need). i just want to say "install this thing and do everything necessary to make it happen."14:41
seb128chrisccoulson, oh right then14:41
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, python-aptdaemon does a bit more than just wrapping the dbus calls14:41
dobeymvo: software-center apparently just does FAIL if you ask for a package in a repo that's not enabled yet14:41
seb128I though the daemon would show the progress bar etc14:42
mvodobey: sort of, if it has information about the package via app-install-data it should be able to do more14:42
dobeymvo: apparently viewing a package in universe with universe disabled presents a screen showing a button to "Refresn to get the package info" which doesn't.14:43
mvodobey: so, what package, what use case? I can mail/paste you a example for aptdaemon, give me a minute14:44
dobeyat least, i presume it does something, but of course fails to get the package data14:45
dobeymvo: basically, i want the minimal amount of code i can have, in my code :)14:45
mvoit has code to enable universe if its not there, but only if the package in question is available in app-install-data, we could add the package in question there just for that14:45
dobeymvo: i'm told to use the "standard package install process"14:46
dobeymvo: so optimally if i can just subprocess.call(["something", "--enable-archive=universe", "package"]), that would be optimal i think14:47
mvodobey: aha, now I get it. sorry, I'm a bit slow today. "apturl apt:2vcard?section=universe" is what you want then14:49
dobeymvo: and also a way to check that the package is installed or not, but i suppose i can do that easily enough already14:49
mvodobey: that will auto-enable universe and show some basic data, its not as nice as software-center though14:49
mvodobey: the goal was to make it part of s-c for lucid, but we did not quite make it in time14:50
mvodobey: check: "apt.Cache()[pkgname].isInstalled"14:50
mvodobey: but please, what package, what use-case :) ?14:51
dobeyi guess xul-extension-bindwood or something is the name now though14:52
mvoaha, thanks!14:52
dobeyi can just run dpkg -l to check if it's installed :)14:52
rickspencer3pitti, seb128, chrisccoulson:14:53
rickspencer3Looks like our release blocker bug count has stayed about the same, but there's a different set of bugs14:54
rickspencer3pitti, seb128, just pasted this for your fyi14:54
dobeymvo: so apturl + dpkg, great!14:54
pittirickspencer3: ah, thanks14:54
dobeymvo: i'll use those. the code's already in my head :)14:54
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, thanks14:54
mvodobey: cool, let me know if there is anything more I can do/help14:54
pittirickspencer3: yes, we fixed quite a number of them, but added new ones14:54
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, a gentle reminder that you seem to be the long pole in our bug burn down now14:54
mvodobey: :)14:54
* pitti uploading two new packages to fix 5 bugs now14:54
dobeymvo: thanks, will do14:54
rickspencer3pitti, sweet14:54
pittirickspencer3: well, not 5 _of that list_, though :)14:55
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, if you did the same, you'd have no more release blockers!14:55
rickspencer3pitti, ack, still 5 bugs in a day, this make me happy14:55
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, i'm working on one of them at the moment ;)14:55
pittiand chrisccoulson's bugs are quite a bit more complicated :)14:55
chrisccoulsonand one on that list has a patch14:55
chrisccoulsonyeah, i seem to have drawn the short straw with some of those ;)14:55
* rickspencer3 whip cracking noises14:55
chrisccoulsonin fact, 2 on my list have a patch :-)14:56
seb128rickspencer3, hey, thank you14:56
pittirickspencer3: I took bug 546446, I think I'll get to it today, too14:56
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546446 in gnome-keyring "old session keyring still on disk" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54644614:56
rickspencer3this is the time in cycle where you can't focus on fixing bugs because I am pestering for bug fixing status all the time14:56
pittichrisccoulson: oh, the "bad fonts in ff" isn't even on that list14:56
rickspencer3pitti, cool14:56
chrisccoulsonpitti - i'm not sure that ones assigned to me is it?14:56
pittichrisccoulson: which should have "a patch" as well (taking from the system cairo)14:56
chrisccoulsonthe "FF not starting" issue has a patch upstream now14:57
chrisccoulsonand i have a patch for the search order issue too14:57
pittichrisccoulson: right, it's asac's right now (bug 512615), but I guess he wouldn't kill us if we reassign it14:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 512615 in firefox "fonts are incorrectly rendered due to not using system cairo" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51261514:57
pittichrisccoulson: sweet!14:57
kenvandineseb128, so what is the process you are following converting namespaces for the dx source branches?14:58
pittichrisccoulson: starting to like or loathe the ff package by now? or both? :-)14:58
* pitti hugs chrisccoulson14:58
* chrisccoulson hugs pitti14:58
rickspencer3kenvandine, is bug 535263 truly a release blocker?14:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 535263 in gwibber "Gwibber can show duplicate accounts" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53526314:58
* rickspencer3 forgot to implement pittis "Bug:" feature14:58
kenvandinerickspencer3, yes... and it is done :)14:58
kenvandinerickspencer3, it was a problem if you synced accounts14:59
seb128kenvandine, get lp:ubuntu/<souce> and use bzr merge-upstream there14:59
kenvandineif you created accounts on two boxes before they synced, you would get dupes14:59
chrisccoulsonkwwii - there?14:59
kenvandineseb128, ah, ok... good14:59
seb128kenvandine, dropping the vcs in the control too14:59
seb128kenvandine, + we could add a warning to the changelog in ubuntu-desktop vcs too15:00
kenvandineseb128, yeah, i was wondering if you were starting with the existing package branch15:00
seb128kenvandine, no, but I'm not closed to discuss it if you think we should15:00
kenvandineseb128, only downside i see to that is branches that ted uses15:01
kenvandineare related to our packaging branches15:01
kenvandineso he would need to rebase on the lp:ubuntu branch15:01
kenvandinewhich is fine i think15:01
seb128right, maybe check with him about this15:01
kenvandineseb128, but aren't the lp:ubuntu branch getting aliased to ~ubuntu-desktop?15:01
kenvandineare you just asking james_w to do that as you do it?15:02
seb128should they? why?15:02
seb128I don't think james_w is around recently, I've pinged him several times for a week without luck15:02
kenvandineseb128, well libu1 and the rb plugin are15:03
kenvandineido too15:03
kenvandineseb128, i thought you had done that :)15:03
seb128I've no real clue what I'm doing there15:04
kenvandinehehe :)15:04
seb128I just did what seemed easier15:04
kenvandineseb128, it is nice that they are getting aliased, however that is happening15:04
seb128i.e getting ubuntu/<source<15:05
seb128and working there15:05
kenvandineso if you try to check it out from ~ubuntu-desktop you get the right branch15:05
seb128you should perhaps check with didrocks or pitti they know bzr better15:05
kenvandinemaybe james_w is just going behind us and pointing the spb to the old Vcs branch15:05
kenvandineor the other way15:06
didrockskenvandine: backlogging, one sec15:06
pittikenvandine: so, lp:ubuntu/pkg is owned by ~ubuntu-branches15:06
pittikenvandine: which will allow anyone to commit who can also upload the package15:06
seb128that will cut kenvandine out15:07
pittikenvandine: btw, I moved the gvfs branch yesterday, and that's what I did with the old ~ubuntu-desktop debian/ only branch: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-desktop/gvfs/ubuntu/revision/7215:07
kenvandinewe need to get those perms fixed15:07
pittias long as you can't upload a package yet, don't switch one15:07
pittibut the perms need sorting out either way15:07
pittiso perhaps be cautious with the migration for now15:08
kenvandinehalf the packages i deal with i can't :/15:08
* kenvandine checks them as i go15:08
kenvandines/checks/will check/15:08
seb128I converted indicator-me yesterday sorry kenvandine15:08
kenvandineseb128, no worries15:08
kenvandinei think i can commit that one :)15:08
kenvandineor i could last week15:08
seb128so maybe let's really delay those changes to next cycle15:08
kenvandinei seem to lose more packages each week15:08
pittiif not, you can always do an lp:~kenvandine/ubuntu/lucid/package/ubuntu :)15:08
kenvandinepitti, true15:09
james_wwhy do you want ken to be able to commit to the ubuntu/* branches directly if he can't upload?15:09
kenvandinejames_w, i should be able to upload15:09
pittijames_w: the "can't upload" is a bug15:09
kenvandinethe perms are getting messed up15:09
* kenvandine hopes cjwatson can fix that soon15:09
james_wwell fix that then :-)15:09
seb128oh james_w is there15:10
mvoseb128: do you know about a auto-login problem in gdm after hardy->lucid? I heard rumors that it sometimes works, sometimes dosn't15:10
nigelbanyone has thoughts on bug 484317? (if its a bug, the attached patch might fix)15:10
ubottuLaunchpad bug 484317 in gdm "GDM allows root logins" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/48431715:10
seb128he just ignores my pings I guess ;-)15:10
mvoseb128: I'm not at the machine, but I an debug at the weekend15:10
seb128mvo, no15:10
seb128mvo, I don't see a reason why it should not work15:10
ronocpitti: hello there, I will work on that bug you submitted tmrw, will try to reproduce. sounds difficult to reproduce ?15:10
mvoseb128: ok15:11
pittironoc: well, it "just happens" here in 2/3 logins (it's again shown as muted right now)15:11
seb128mvo, is the "sometimes" on the same install or it works on some boxes and not on others?15:11
pittironoc: you can have ssh to my box if it helps (admin included if need be, or I install the packages that you need)15:11
pittironoc: it works for you?15:12
mvoseb128: on the same box, its my parents machine, there debugging skillz are not that great ;)15:12
ronocpitti - ssh might be a good thing15:12
pittironoc: oh, and "hello"!15:12
seb128mvo, what does it do when it doesn't autolog in?15:12
seb128mvo, did that start recently?15:12
ronocpitti: will be in touch in the morning - in a meeting right now15:12
mvoseb128: I upgraded them last weekend and they haven't got anything new since15:13
pittironoc: https://edge.launchpad.net/%7Ecjcurran/+sshkeys -> is that ok?15:13
mvoseb128: when not auto-login it just shows the normal gdm screen apparently15:13
mvoseb128: but I have no clue how often that happens15:14
* ccheney bbl, dropping wife at airport15:14
rickspencer3bye ccheney15:14
seb128mvo, could you check if there is an autologin line on the dialog in those cases?15:14
seb128ie one you can click which will log you in with autologin written15:15
seb128I've that once on the mini I think15:15
mvoseb128: oh, interessting. I will watch out for this15:15
kwwiichrisccoulson: hey15:15
seb128asac, asac__: still hiding?15:16
pittironoc: when you get a chance, try ssh ronoc@pitti.homelinux.org ; look at ~/password if you need sudo (you are in admin)15:16
ronocpitti, thx I'm in !15:18
pittironoc: (but, note that this is my main and only workstation, so if you need to rm -rf /, please do coordinate with me before :) )15:18
ronocpitti, understood15:18
ronocbetter pay more attention at this meeting15:19
mvochrisccoulson: re bug #456468 -- I remember you had the .xsession-errors with the real error message (symbol clash). do you still have this and can attach it to the bugreportß15:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 456468 in network-manager-applet "upgrade triggers nm-applet "resource not found" ... missing icon "nm-applet-device"" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45646815:24
chrisccoulsonmvo - i'll try and find that in a bit15:24
chrisccoulsonkwwii - hi, i'm currently looking at bug 53251115:25
ubottuLaunchpad bug 532511 in gnome-terminal "terminal settings messed up after upgrade due to forced profile change" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53251115:25
chrisccoulsonthe addition of the extra profile to add the new theme colours is quite problematic15:26
kwwiichrisccoulson: hrm, let me read the comments15:26
chrisccoulsonso, i'm currently working on some changes which will make it possible to control all of this from the GTK theme15:26
chrisccoulsonwhich will avoid the need for adding an extra profile15:26
seb128chrisccoulson, mvo: http://paste.ubuntu.com/397262/15:27
chrisccoulsonseb128 - thanks15:27
kwwiichrisccoulson: hrm, it seems to me that we don't want to force this change on anyone updating, only on a fresh install15:27
seb128chrisccoulson, you're welcome15:27
didrockskwwii: oh aubergine "show desktop" icon, that's sweet :)15:27
kwwiididrocks: hehe, you just saw it now?15:27
chrisccoulsonkwwii - that's the difficult bit really, which is why i'm proposing that we control it all from the GTK theme15:28
ronocseb128: what did you think of the gnome media merge :)?15:28
didrockskwwii: right ;)15:28
kenvandinepitti, is there actually a bug report for the permissions bug?15:28
kwwiichrisccoulson: ok, if you have something for me to add to the theme I'll happily include it15:28
pittikenvandine: I don't know15:28
kenvandinepitti, it would be nice to have something to follow so i know when there is prgress :)15:28
chrisccoulsonkwwii - thanks, thats good then. i'll sort that all out in a bit15:28
kenvandinei know i email cjwatson as i hit new ones15:28
kwwiichrisccoulson: as long as people can still change it to the profile of their choice I am fine with putting it in the gtk theme15:28
seb128ronoc, sorry I didn't get time for that yet15:29
chrisccoulsonyeah, users will still be able to set the colors they like15:29
seb128ronoc, I will let you know when I do though15:29
kwwiichrisccoulson: ok, sounds good...let me know when you are ready for it to go into the theme15:29
seb128ronoc, likely next week now though15:29
kwwiironoc: does the sound menu use *-panel icons in the panel?15:30
ronocseb128: no worries - its just an one character change15:30
ronockwwii: yep15:30
kwwiironoc: cool, I am going to remove the non -panel names from the theme then, so they don't show up in other places15:30
ronockwwii: Okay i thought though the non panel icons were used for fall back ?15:32
kwwiironoc: right, but they are included in one of the fallbacks anyway. We only want monochrome icons to show up in the panel, nowhere else15:33
kwwiironoc: currently, if you open the sound preferences you see dark panel icons on a light bg color15:33
ronockwwii: cool i get it15:33
ronockwwii: sounds good.15:33
kwwiironoc: asking you was my way of saving myself time and effort testing :-)15:33
ronockwwii: always a good thing :)15:35
vishmvo: hi.. the SC sub-categories icons are scaling the icons upwards to 64px :( , werent the main categories alone supposed to use 64px?16:05
tgpraveen12vish: remember that bug where totem shows very small icon for volume control in fullscreen, its back with the new mono icons.16:06
vishmvo: the subcategories use too much space and they end-up requiring scrolling16:07
mvovish: mpt will know, and possible michaelforester16:07
vishmvo: thanks16:07
vishtgpraveen12: that will be solved soon , those icons will be removed read the scrollback above^16:07
tgpraveen12tgpraveen12: joined just now. anyways.good to know16:08
dholbachdoes anybody else have a problem with using alt-1 in gnome-terminal, chromium and other apps?16:08
dholbachit doesn't work for me, it just draws a border around the application that has the focus16:09
seb128dholbach, hey, what is is supposed to do?16:09
dholbachjump to the first tab16:10
seb128did it start doing that recently?16:10
dholbachsince today16:10
seb128dholbach, did you change your config somehow?16:11
rickspencer3kenvandine, I see "Move Password Storage to the Keyring" is Marked "Done"16:11
dholbachseb128: not that I know16:11
kenvandinerickspencer3, :)16:11
dholbachseb128: no entry to .xsession-errors either16:11
seb128dholbach, using the same wm, same keyboard layout?16:11
seb128dholbach, you are sure the keyboard layout is the same?16:12
mptvish, as far as I know the icon view should use the same size icons everywhere. In v3 we'll have a single-pane department screen so the subsections won't scroll.16:12
seb128can you check in the keyboard config dialog?16:12
seb128dholbach, could you try with an english keyboard layout?16:13
dholbachseb128: same16:14
dholbachI just picked uk layout16:14
vishmpt: v3 plan sounds good , but the icons at 64 px are really being a bit too much , if all are to be the same size, we can use 48px everywhere :)16:15
seb128dholbach, dunno then, I know pitti did work on keyboard layout setting so that could have changed16:15
dholbachah pitti!16:15
seb128but if the layout and wm didn't change I don't know16:15
seb128dholbach, no, could have been a keyboard layout issue but that's not one if you still have the same layout in GNOME16:17
seb128pitti, unping, I was reviewing what changed which could explain dholbach's bug16:18
dholbachah ok16:18
seb128dholbach, it's happening is several softwares too?16:19
didrocksdholbach: is it the ` key?16:19
dholbachseb128: at least in chromium and gnome-terminal16:19
dholbachlet me try firefox16:19
dholbachdidrocks: alt-116:19
dholbachsame for firefox16:19
didrocksdholbach: right, but do you have ` printed on it? (and are you using metacity, not compiz?)16:19
dholbachdidrocks: metacity16:20
dholbachdidrocks: ` printed where?16:20
seb128dholbach, what is on "1" on a german keyboard?16:20
seb128ie the second char16:20
seb128"1!" I mean16:20
dholbachshift+1 = !16:20
dholbachon a german keyboard16:20
dholbachis that what you were after? :)16:20
dholbachalt gr + 1 = ¹16:20
dholbachif that's of any interest16:21
seb128there is a known bug with "`"16:21
didrocksdholbach: I guess this should be related to http://git.gnome.org/browse/metacity/commit/?id=0f805bfdfb46e6739912df042f628ca9913b433c16:21
seb128which does what you get16:21
seb128but that's nothing new16:21
seb128so it's weird it would happen out of the blue today16:21
seb128if your layout or wm didn't change16:21
pittiguys, what's the problem?16:21
didrocksseb128: I only noticed when switching from compiz to metacity16:22
pittiGerman layout and ` immediately makes me think of "nodeadkeys"16:22
dholbachpitti: I type "alt + 1" and would expect to go to the first tab16:22
dholbachpitti: instead there's just a border drawn around the focused app16:22
seb128didrocks, right, which is why I started by asking if his wm changed16:22
pittiWFM in both US and de-nodeadkeys layouts16:22
didrockspitti: if it's related to this commit, this is the grouping windows function16:22
dholbachlike I'd used alt-tab16:22
pittididrocks: but 1 != `16:22
didrocksthat's strange, exactly the same symptom16:23
pitticheck with xev?16:23
seb128dholbach, you are sure you were not using compiz before?16:23
pitti    state 0x8, keycode 10 (keysym 0x31, 1), same_screen YES,16:23
pitti    XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (31) "1"16:23
pittishoudl be that one16:23
dholbachseb128: I used it AGES ago16:24
dholbachseb128: and just for a few minutes :)16:24
seb128try xev16:24
seb128what alt-1 gives you now?16:24
pittidholbach: does alt+2 work? what does that give you in xev?16:27
dholbachalt-2 works16:27
pitti    state 0x8, keycode 11 (keysym 0x32, 2), same_screen YES,16:27
pitti    XLookupString gives 1 bytes: (32) "2"16:27
pittishould be that one16:27
seb128dholbach, did you assign some GNOME shortcuts recently?16:27
dholbachseb128: not that I'd know16:28
seb128so I blame lower stack16:28
seb128xorg, bios, linux16:28
dholbachpitti: http://paste.ubnutu.com/40123616:28
dholbachpitti: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40123616:28
seb128try in a guest session maybe to see16:28
pittistill fairly broken16:29
dholbachseb128: works in a guest session :-(16:29
pittiyou don't have num lock/caps lock/scroll lock on or something?16:29
dholbachno nothing16:29
seb128dholbach, do you use compiz in the guest session or did you change that there?16:30
dholbachhang on :)16:30
* dholbach goes back16:30
dholbachno, no compiz16:30
dholbachI use nouveau16:31
dholbachnot sure it works there16:31
vishcassidy: re: humanity empathy icons blog .. the icons for emapathy are symlinks from user-*  :)16:34
rickspencer3pitti, seb128: tseliot thinks bug #545992 should be a release blocker, but I'm not too sure, please advise16:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 545992 in fglrx-installer "Can't install fglrx-kernel-source, conflict with fglrx" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54599216:35
vishcassidy: so it shouldnt break when empathy is updated.. but will keep track , thanks :)16:35
pittirickspencer3: yes, absolutely16:36
pittiit also is quite obvious16:36
pittiPackage: fglrx16:36
pittiConflicts: fglrx-kernel-source16:36
seb128dholbach, ok, so it's an user config thing16:36
seb128dholbach, check you keybindings16:36
dholbachseb128: I just re-set a lot of gconf keys16:36
pittirickspencer3, tseliot: that conflicts needs to be versioned16:37
didrocksdholbach: just to ensure it's not the cycle group function, what do you have in gconf at /apps/metacity/global_keybindings/cycle_group ?16:37
dholbachseb128: now it works again - unfortunately I don't know which of the changes fixed it :-(16:37
dholbachas I had to restart the terminal to make it work16:37
pittirickspencer3: it's a 5-second fix, and causing problems on upgrades16:38
dholbacheither something in /apps/panel/global or /apps/metacity involving the alt key16:38
pittirickspencer3: (I followed up to the bug)16:38
dholbachseb128, didrocks: thanks again16:38
dholbachthanks pitti too16:38
* pitti hugs dholbach, I'm glad it's sane again16:39
* dholbach hugs gconftool-2 --recursive-unset :-)16:39
* dholbach hugs pitti too16:40
* didrocks has the same issue with Alt + 7 on the azerty keyboard for more than one month now, but I want to keep the default until it's fixed :/16:40
dobeydpm: ping16:42
dpmhey dobey16:43
dobeydpm: hey. i have a question regarding the interpretation issue with _('') vs. _("") in python scripts (thigns not ending in .py)16:44
dobeydpm: do you know how intltool deals with _(u"Foo") or _(unicode("Foo"))?16:45
* ccheney back from airport16:45
dpmdobey, I think I might not know, but what do you mean by "how intltool deals"? Whether such strings would be extracted and put into the template?16:46
dpmI can test that16:46
dobeydpm: i mean, since we have to use "" because scripts that don't end in .py are treated as C, if doing something like u"Foo" or unicode("Foo") would break because of being treated like normal C strings16:49
seb128didrocks, how busy are you now?16:50
LaserJockdholbach: there should be some documentation on gconftool -R and --recursive-unset for testers/debuggers16:50
seb128didrocks, now = end of week and next week16:50
seb128there should be no need to unset anything this way16:51
LaserJockdholbach: I have been blowing away my ~/.gconf for years, that is waaay better :-)16:51
didrocksseb128: should be ok, what do you need me to do?16:51
dholbachLaserJock: I only blow it away in very isolated cases :-D16:52
LaserJockI do it like once a month16:52
LaserJockthat's a big reason why I do fresh installs all the time :(16:52
LaserJockstuff gets messed up and I can't find where the magic key is to fix it16:52
LaserJockwith --recursive-unset I can at least narrow it down to a single app or so16:53
dpmdobey, I'd think they'd break, let me see if I can test it quickly16:53
LaserJock and -R lets me know what options I've set (which is a big problem to start with)16:53
dobeydpm: i'll test it real quick...16:54
LaserJockI really wish we had a GUI gconf diff tool, but this at least is something16:54
dobeyhrmm, it seems to still get extracted16:55
seb128didrocks, sorry got sidetracked16:56
didrocksseb128: no pb16:56
seb128didrocks, it's not that I need you to do anything but rather than I would welcome you helping on something ;-)16:56
didrocksit's just too late (j/k)16:56
* kenvandine -> lunch16:57
didrocksseb128: sure, just tell me where I can help (not sure for tonight and tomorrow, but next week sounds good) ;)16:57
seb128didrocks, so your mission would be theme related16:58
seb128didrocks, i.e it would be to make gnome-appearance-properties set the wm order gconf key16:58
seb128didrocks, it already set keys so it should be easy to add16:58
seb128I see that as16:59
seb128read a new property from the theme .index16:59
didrocksseb128: the button, you mean?16:59
seb128which has the key order16:59
seb128didrocks, yes sorry16:59
seb128so I see the index have an extra key for that, g-c-c reading it and setting the gconf key with the value if there is one16:59
seb128or with the default value which is what we had before lucid in other cases17:00
seb128not sure that's clear17:00
didrocksseb128: schweet, I was eager to have a look at that in any case, just didn't have the time yet.17:00
didrockshum, let me think17:00
didrocksso, the theme will have eventually the key in the index setting the order17:00
didrockswhen changing the theme, if we find one, we set the gconf key to it17:01
didrocksif there is no, we assume as a default to set the gconf key back to what we had in karmic?17:01
dpmdobey, ok, cool.17:02
chrisccoulsonyay, the terminal is nearly fixed \o/17:02
chrisccoulsonthen i can close one of my RC bugs :)17:02
seb128didrocks, correct17:03
seb128chrisccoulson, rockon17:03
seb128rather ;-)17:03
vishseb128: hi , could you do an update of humanity? it fixes atleast one SC icon breakage , [icon was misspelled] and a couple of other bug fixes17:03
dobeydpm: would you mind filing a bug against intltool for the treating python scripts without .py extensions as C, please? :)17:04
didrocksseb128: we change it on the user level? (in ~/.gconf)? I mean, for user who want to change it and not reset it each time they change their theme…17:04
seb128vish, where is it?17:04
vishseb128: the packagers branch17:04
seb128didrocks, I don't understand this question I think17:04
seb128vish, can you give me the lp: url?17:04
dpmdobey, sure, np, but you only get a beer at UDS if you fix it :P17:04
seb128vish, I don't have all those noted17:04
vishseb128: np.. >  https://code.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release17:05
vishthanks ..17:05
seb128didrocks, the idea is to have the capplet set the key by theme to avoid destroying the buttons order on the other themes17:05
didrocksseb128: let's say someone change the order manually with gconf-editor. If they change the theme back and forth the theme, each time, the user key will be screwd17:05
dobeydpm: heh. well danilo might fix it :)17:05
seb128vish, thanks17:05
seb128didrocks, yes, that's a corner case though, I guess people set one theme and lot of people complain about us breaking other themes17:06
dpmdobey, he won't be at UDS this time, so he doesn't qualify for the prize :)17:06
didrocksseb128: I agree, let's go that way so17:06
seb128didrocks, + you can set an user mandatory key if you want that17:06
seb128it will take over the capplet change17:06
didrocksright, so there is a way for user to override that. Perfect, will do it17:07
dobeydpm: as co-maintainer, i will gladly accept by proxy any prizes he may win for fixing bugs in intltool :)17:07
seb128didrocks, so, some pointers for you17:07
seb128didrocks, you can look to /usr/share/themes/<theme>/index.theme17:09
seb128didrocks, it's a gkey file, ie key=value17:09
seb128didrocks, so it's easy to add one key there17:09
didrocksok, using gkeyfile from glib17:09
seb128didrocks, gnome-control-center does read and parse that already though so not a lot of extra work there17:10
seb128didrocks, see capplets/common/gnome-theme-info.c17:10
seb128didrocks, the defines and the code there17:10
* didrocks opens17:10
seb128didrocks, it's basically adding a key I think17:11
seb128+ the code to apply it to gconf17:11
didrocksyeah, should be easy :)17:11
seb128which probably is already done for some other keys17:11
* seb128 hugs didrocks17:11
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* didrocks hugs seb12817:11
seb128didrocks, lucid users will love you17:12
chrisccoulsonheh, i just looked at my assigned bugs on launchpad17:12
didrocksseb128: I guess so. A lot of love for few work ;)17:12
seb128the gdm mute change first17:12
seb128+ unbreaking themes now17:13
seb128not forgetting une ;-)17:13
didrocksheh, I hope people will love that :)17:13
seb128chrisccoulson, it does timeout by trying to load the list or something? ;-)17:13
chrisccoulsonnot quite just yet ;)17:13
seb128chrisccoulson, do you need some help to bounce some to the team or other people or do you think you have those under control?17:14
seb128chrisccoulson, we can probably drop the gnome-user-share nautilus .so btw17:15
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i think it looks worse than it really is ;)17:15
seb128I don't think the bar is important to have17:15
dpmdobey, bug 547073, enjoy!17:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 547073 in intltool "Python scripts without .py extensions are treated as C files" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54707317:15
dobeydpm: gracias!17:15
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i don't mind doing that, but i can probably work on a patch at the weekend to hide it when there's no BT hardware17:15
chrisccoulsonkwwii, do you maintain light-themes in bzr?17:16
chrisccoulsonkwwii, these are the changes to the Ambiance gtkrc which will theme the terminal to the settings we have currently:17:28
rickspencer3pitti, bugs that are targeted to the release but NOT milestoned will still show up on your list, right?17:41
pittirickspencer3: I occasionally look at the lucid list and pick out desktop things; it'd be helpful if those could be assigned to c-d-t17:42
rickspencer3pitti, these are assigned to tselliot17:42
rickspencer3so the assignment is good17:42
pittiah, fine17:42
rickspencer3they are targetted ,but not milestoned17:42
rickspencer3wnated to confirm that this is a usefule state for you17:42
pittiyes, absolutely17:42
pittiit's the best state :)17:42
pitti(assigned to the right person, I mean)17:43
tgpraveen /join #poppler17:47
kwwiichrisccoulson: cool, thanks for that, I will add it with the next update17:52
chrisccoulsonkwwii, thanks :)17:54
LaserJockrickspencer3, pitti: if bugs are assigned to c-d-t, can a non-c-d-t person work on them? If so, should they assign themselves?17:57
rickspencer3LaserJock, yes17:57
pittiLaserJock: absolutely17:58
rickspencer3yes, yes17:58
pittiLaserJock: we use this list for "bugs we should fix, but haven't found an assignee for yet"17:58
pittistraw poll: do you guys use a graphical debugger or just plain gdb? if a GUI, which one sucks less?18:02
Nafaipitti: I use gud in Emacs :)18:02
pittiages ago I used ddd, but I got used to gdb; but watching expressions etc. is still fairly clumsy18:02
chrisccoulsonpitti - i just use plain gdb, but i'd be interested in peoples responses ;)18:03
* hyperair uses gdb18:03
hyperairgdb in screen, split either horizontally or vertically with an editor on the next pane18:03
seb128pitti, gdb but same than chrisccoulson18:04
seb128pitti, you could try nemiver18:04
seb128not sure how good it is though18:04
pittiI'll find out18:04
pittianjuta/emacs are a bit too heavy for my taste18:04
* pitti installs18:04
hyperairi think there was a vimgdb plugin or something...18:05
hyperairand i've got deep-seated hatred for anjuta18:05
hyperairthat stupid thing fights against me when i'm coding18:05
Nafaifor those that are interested, here is a screenshot of a debugging session with gud-mode in Emacs: http://www.travishartwell.net/gud.png18:08
chrisccoulsonseb128 - nemiver looks quite good actually18:09
chrisccoulsoni'd never seen that before18:09
pittiseb128: seems fairly nice indeed18:10
hyperairNafai: that looks quite cool. i'll look into it =p18:11
dpmkenvandine, you asked me for pending i18n bugs in gwibber yesterday, and we've got an Ubuntu Translations Hug Day today, so here's this one for you if you've got some time :) -> bug 53898718:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 538987 in ubuntu-translations "Strings in the *mako templates are not translatable" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53898718:11
Nafaicool, let me know if you have any questions on setting it, up, etc.18:11
Nafais/it, up/it up/18:11
pittiseb128: ^ FYI18:13
pitti$ sudo nemiver ./skdump /dev/sda18:13
pittiit DTRT with that, so it's equally comfortable to call as gdb18:14
rickspencer3pitti:  [ubuntu/karmic-proposed] devicekit-disks 007-2ubuntu6 (Accepted)18:14
rickspencer3sounds like another release blocker died at the tip of your spear?18:15
pittirickspencer3: not quite unfortunately18:15
pittithis was just a quick workaround18:15
rickspencer3oh well18:15
pittito stop breaking SSDs with karmic18:15
rickspencer3sorry to bring it up18:15
pittirickspencer3: I'm looking into libatasmart now, and try to find out how to properly identify those affected SSDs18:15
pittiso that's a bandaid for karmic until we find a proper fix18:16
seb128pitti, nice! ;-)18:16
vishseb128: hi.. could you ping me once the humanity update is done, i just need to submit a merge for SC..18:17
seb128vish, you can update the bzr I've it built locally and uploading now18:17
vishoh , ok, thanks18:17
chrisccoulsonpitti - i must remember not to accidentally attach nemiver to Xorg ;)18:18
pittichrisccoulson: heh, yes18:18
pittichrisccoulson: although that'd equally fail with gdb under gnome-terminal..18:19
chrisccoulsonit would18:19
chrisccoulsonoh, it's reasonably sensible. nemiver doesn't allow you to attach it to itself18:19
NafaiI used to do game development and It was always fun to try to run the debugger in the same X session as the game, because it would take over input, etc18:19
NafaiI had to ssh into that same box and run gdb that way18:20
mptvish, I'd be fine with 48, but it's probably too late for that kind of change18:24
mpt(sorry, forgot I had a half-written response here)18:25
vishmpt: the change was done in today's update to 64 , earlier was 4818:25
seb128time for sport18:26
Nafaibtw, does anyone (US-based) have a recommendation for good power adapters to get for international travel?  I want to order something soon so it gets here before UDS. :)18:27
brycehNafai, I got mine at the local AAA18:27
brycehNafai, there are a number of "all in one" adapters, although I tend to prefer ones that are specific to the country in question since they tend to be lighter weight18:28
* Nafai nods18:28
brycehalso they tend to fit into power bars more easily18:29
LaserJockheh, I bought a all-in-one from Walmart when I went to UDS-Paris18:30
NafaiLaserJock: work well?18:30
LaserJockturns out it was important because the Parisian plugs where a little different than many of the other European ones, so I had to share with a lot of people18:30
LaserJocki.e. my plug worked while a number of people who had European-specific adapters didn't18:31
LaserJockNafai: it is a bit clunky when you're on a power strip18:31
LaserJockbut I use it at home for 3-prong -> 2 prong adapter, etc. so it was worth it for me18:32
LaserJockbut for juat a few bucks at Walmart I was surprised how well it worked18:32
Nafaigood to know18:33
Nafaithis will be my first time traveling internationally, so I'm excited18:33
rickspencer3Nafai, you could do a lot worse than Brussles for your first trip abroad18:34
LaserJockNafai: ah, good luck18:34
LaserJockUDS-Paris was my first time18:34
LaserJockgot pickpocketed but otherwise it was fine :-)18:34
LaserJockI strongly recommend UDSes for Americans that are going abroad for the first time18:35
chrisccoulsonright, time for me to bath baby18:35
LaserJockthe community makes it so much easier to navigate international travel18:35
LaserJockwhen I got pickpocketed I had people lend me their phones and cash to get by18:36
LaserJockI would have been screwed otherwise18:36
LaserJock(not that I didn't want to kiss the tarmac when I finally landed back in the US) ;-)18:36
Nafaithat reminds me, I need to get my phone unlocked18:37
kenvandinewhew... got home from running an errand at lunch to find a small angry rattle snake in the yard18:44
brycehkenvandine, angry about the button placement change?18:45
mptvish, oh, I didn't realize that. Maybe it's not too late to revert then.18:45
Nafaihmm, nemiver is quite nice18:47
vishmpt: please do, all the icons were done for 48px and they are now being used in 64px, and are a bit blurry , i'm not sure if i'll have the time to redo them again :18:48
mptvish, it's not up to me. I don't have the time to dive into that code myself18:48
vishmvo: well , the code is just one line ;p  , i was mentioning you blessing ;)18:48
vishoops mpt^18:49
kenvandinebryceh, right before i got home the woman across the street came over with a box and a broom and was trying to catch it to release somewhere in the woods18:49
kenvandinebut she made it very angry... it was striking at everything in sight when i pulled in18:49
kenvandineshe is nuts :)18:49
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brycehkenvandine, sounds like it18:52
brycehkenvandine, maybe *she* was made about the icon changes?  ;-)18:52
jcastrokenvandine: popey is seeing a bunch of crashers in gwibber if you have some time to check it out19:01
kenvandinegot bugs?19:01
* kenvandine really needs to get a release out19:01
jcastroa bunch he says19:01
jcastropopey: line em up!19:01
popeyjcastro: i haven't filed bugs because every time it crashes I go to file one and it looks like there's 10 there already!19:25
popeybug 53967419:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 539674 in gwibber "gwibber crashed with error in connect()" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53967419:26
popeybug 53967419:26
popeybug 53246019:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 532460 in gwibber "gwibber crashed with error in connect()" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53246019:26
popeybug 54673019:26
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546730 in gwibber "gwibber-accounts crashed with error in connect()" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54673019:26
popeyand so on19:26
kklimondapopey: ach, my favourite bug19:28
kklimondaI think I'm getting it every time I resume laptop from sleep19:28
popeytoday I was on a 3g connection when it happened, in case that adds any kind of useful info19:28
talguys, anyone knows how to contact gnome about jobs ?19:29
popeytal: does the gnome foundation employ people?19:29
kklimondatal: gnome has only one job offer atm I think - for the system administrator19:29
talyeah, thats the one19:29
talhow do you talk to them about that ?19:29
popeyhttp://webapps.ubuntu.com/employment/ :)19:29
jcastrotal: http://live.gnome.org/Jobs19:31
mvovish: let me know, chaning it to 48px in subcategories is not a big deal19:31
vishmvo:  pls do change the subcategories19:35
kenvandinepopey, i am looking19:37
mvovish: ok19:38
vishmvo: thanks :)19:39
kenvandinepopey, are you getting it on resume as well?19:39
popeyi havent done any resuming19:39
kenvandineok... so just on startup?19:39
popeyafter running for a while19:39
popeyI can test more and file new bugs and let you know the numbers as they come up if that helps?19:40
kenvandineif the traceback is the same, don't bother19:40
kenvandineit's actually a desktopcouch bug19:40
popeyi am not qualified to answer if the traceback is the same or not19:41
* kenvandine will find a way to handle that better in gwibber though19:41
mvovish: but the "fontpage" will still be 64px, right?19:41
vishmvo: if you can keep the front page at 64 that would be neat.19:42
popey\o/ haha I just had gwibber _and_ gwibber service fail kenvandine19:44
popeyboot a machine, logged in, did nothing but ALT+F2, gwibber, enter19:44
kenvandinepopey, traceback please19:44
* popey needs to read up how to do that19:44
popeygot a handy url>19:45
davmor2popey: just ubuntu-bug it and remover the trace?19:45
kenvandinepopey, ah you got the crash dialog?19:46
kenvandineyou can just let it file and give me the bug number19:46
kenvandinei'll dupe it if necessary19:46
popeytwo in fact :)19:46
mvovish: your branch is merged and the size change too19:46
vishmvo: neat , thanks.. :)19:47
mvono worries19:47
popeybug 547202 kenvandine19:48
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/547202)19:48
kenvandinepopey, gotta make it public19:48
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popeykenvandine: done20:02
kenvandinepopey, thx20:12
kenvandinepopey, that is a different error, thx!20:13
popeykenvandine: happy to help! :)20:14
pittipopey: do you have some minutes for some questions about that libatasmart bug?20:16
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popeypitti: sure20:19
pittipopey: did you ever try this with lucid?20:19
popeytry a clean install? on it, no, but i have a spare machine i can do that on20:19
pittipopey: so apparently it happens with dk-disks-probe-ata-smart; did you try it with smartctl -a /dev/sda?20:20
pittipopey: did you try it with skdump /dev/sda? (from libatasmart-bin)20:20
pittipopey: and finally, do you have a test machine where this happens, where I could get ssh to?20:20
popeyi can set one up yes20:21
pittiI'm currently comparing libatasmart and smartmontools, and the ioctls that they do20:21
pittiobviously I have to trigger that bug a couple of more times20:21
popeywhat version of ubuntu would you like on it?20:21
pittipopey: did you find a way to rescue the disk?20:21
popeyyes, dd zeroes over it20:21
pittipopey: karmic or lucid beta-1, whatever works better for you20:22
pittipopey: ok, good to know that it wasn't permanent damage20:22
popeyno, but it sure looks like it is20:22
popeywill let you know when its setup20:23
pittipopey: many thanks, I appreciate20:24
pittiuntil then I'll do some more local research20:24
pittipopey: https://launchpad.net/~pitti/+sshkeys BTW (the second one)20:25
popeypitti: hmm, its now no longer booting, which looks like a hardware issue20:26
popeyi have two of these machines though, one is running lucid which was upgraded from karmic and has had lots of packages removed for space20:26
popeyi can wipe and reinstall on that one20:26
pittipopey: I don't need a clean machine in any way, FTR20:27
pittilibatasmart and smartmontools build-depends, vi, and strace20:27
kklimondasabdfl: wrt bug 466541 and other bugs you comment on - I've wondering whether you actuall get responses as you don't seem to be subscribed :)21:20
ubottuLaunchpad bug 466541 in transmission "Transmission should use XDG_DATA_HOME and XDG_CACHE_HOME for non-config user files" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46654121:20
RAOFMorning all.21:27
pittihey RAOF, good morning21:27
=== dpm-afk is now known as dpm
RAOFYay!  Looks like vga16fb madness is getting sorted out.21:31
TheMusoGood morning.21:31
TheMusoRAOF: You'll be pleased to know that after a fresh daily install a few days back, nouveau is rocking my desktop's NVIDIA card nicely. Don't care so much for power management on the desktop, if it means not dealing with the hassle of installing drivers.21:32
TheMusoNo compiz, but I can deal with that for now.21:32
RAOFThe xorg-edgers PPA would probably give you compiz, at the cost of maybe making your GPU freeze every now and then :)21:34
pittigood night everyone!21:34
desrtpitti: ciao.21:35
TheMusoRAOF: Right, I'd rather no freezing GPU.21:35
desrtseb128: hi hi21:35
seb128so something triggers a keyring dialog on session start now21:35
RAOFTheMuso: Yeah, I can see how you'd think that :)21:35
seb128can't figure what though, but it has been something uploaded today21:35
seb128desrt, hey21:36
seb128desrt, how are you?21:36
desrtseb128: doesn't the dialog tell what app it is?21:36
seb128"The login keyring did not get unlocked when you logged into your computer."21:38
seb128is the string21:38
* didrocks waves good night, enjoy your evening/day everyone!21:38
seb128'night didrocks21:39
didrocksseb128: thanks, you too! don't go to bed too late ;)21:39
seb128didrocks, heh, I will try ;-)21:40
desrtseb128: if you do a 'netstat -anp | less' when the dialog is open21:41
desrtand search keyring21:42
desrtand find a line like21:42
desrtunix  3      [ ]         STREAM     CONNECTED     4068705  2229/gnome-keyring- /tmp/keyring-FJ5rwi/socket21:42
desrtthen very close to it you'll find something like21:42
desrtunix  3      [ ]         STREAM     CONNECTED     4068704  20943/nm-connection21:42
desrtthere will be a few of those21:42
desrtbut it will narrow your options down21:42
desrt(note: the socketpair having sequential serial numbers)21:43
seb128I doubt it will work21:43
seb128I think keyring 2.29 uses dbus to talk to the daemon21:43
seb128there is no such socket now21:43
desrtwell that's easy then21:44
desrtstrace dbus and kill the keyring21:44
desrtand see who gets the message about it :p21:44
seb128brb, restarting to get the dialog again21:44
seb128ok, not a change from today but a change of config there21:53
seb128eds needs keyring access if you have a non-open calendar21:54
crimsunrickspencer3: Is your comment, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pygame/+bug/295369/comments/21 , on current Lucid?22:09
ubottuUbuntu bug 295369 in pygame "pygame sound is delayed a lot" [Medium,Confirmed]22:09
rickspencer3crimsun, yes22:10
rickspencer3it is now "delated slightly"22:10
rickspencer3rather than "delayed a lot"22:10
crimsunrickspencer3: which of libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio and libsdl1.2debian-alsa is installed?22:10
* ccheney thinks he fixed the OOo theme bug, running a test build now :)22:12
rickspencer3crimsun,  libsdl1.2debian-pulseaudio22:12
crimsunrickspencer3: which buffer value are you using?22:13
rickspencer3crimsun, none that I know of22:13
rickspencer3I am not setting one in python code if that's what you mean22:13
crimsunrickspencer3: right, so your workaround refers to what?22:14
crimsun(note that I'm referring to pygame.mixer.pre_init())22:14
rickspencer3crimsun, someone in the bug mentioned a work around22:15
rickspencer3something about setting the buffer22:15
rickspencer3I was referring to that22:15
crimsunright, the buffer is the fourth parameter to pygame.mixer.pre_init()22:15
crimsunbuffer size *22:16
robert_ancellTheMuso, can I get you to sponsor the upload in glade-3 bzr?22:20
* robert_ancell is going to finally get around to doing main upload application today...22:21
seb128robert_ancell, hey22:21
robert_ancellseb128, hey22:21
seb128robert_ancell, thank you for doing updates ;-)22:21
robert_ancellseb128, oh, libwnck is sitting in bzr if you want to upload that one :)22:22
seb128I can22:22
robert_ancellseb128, who normally deals with gnome-user-docs?  I notice it always seems to be behind22:23
seb128or the documentation team22:24
TheMusorobert_ancell: If nobody has grabbed glade3 by the time I get through some of this email here that I need to read, I can take care of it.22:24
seb128not sure if that's the one which is patched to add ubuntu documentation or not22:24
robert_ancellseb128, yeah, it looks patched so I don't touch it22:25
seb128you can ask mdke about it on #ubuntu-devel22:26
TheMusorobert_ancell: what is the bzr branch I need to use? Not sure what source package you are referring to.22:43
robert_ancellTheMuso, debcheckout glade22:44
TheMusorobert_ancell: ok thanks22:44
ccheneycool the patch works properly and finally OOo falls back and only lists installed themes, whee! :)22:52
seb128baptistemm, bug #547238 is not a bug and a duplicate22:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 547238 in indicator-applet "Regression with Rhythmbox" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54723822:57
TheMusorobert_ancell: glade uploaded.23:25
robert_ancellTheMuso, thanks!23:27

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