[02:33] TheMuso, I'm betting you know ... [02:34] if i want to use Jack to record sounds from my desktop with gtk-record-my-desktop, which package(s) do I need to install? [02:50] rickspencer3: why jack? [02:50] TheMuso, I dunno [02:50] because gtk-record-my-desktop offers it as an option [02:51] Does gtk-record-my-desktop use anything else? [02:51] basically, I want to make screen casts and include the sounds my desktop makes in addtion to what comes from the mic [02:51] maybe a different app will work better [02:51] Right, to do so, you would pretty much have to use jack. [02:52] TheMuso, so Jack is installed, but jackd won't run [02:52] What you need to do, is start jack, sit pulse on top of jack, then reroute the audio from pulse to the applicatino you are recording with. [02:52] that sounds very sucky [02:52] rickspencer3: Right, how are you trying to run jackd? [02:52] sudo jackd -r [02:52] rickspencer3: In one way I agree, but in another, I don't. [02:53] mmm [02:53] I guess I meant "hard" not "sucky" [02:53] rickspencer3: Yeah its not easy. [02:54] rickspencer3: I suggest you install qjackctl. That will allow you to start jack and suspend pulse from using the sound card. [02:54] I think that's installed [02:54] ah [02:54] can I now just run hack? [02:54] nope [02:55] hack? [02:55] I meant jacl [02:55] a bit of a typo [02:55] heh [02:55] jack, in fact [02:55] h ok [02:55] qjackctl runs jack for you [02:55] ah [02:56] meh [02:56] however, I am not personally sure as to how one sets up pulse with jack. I've never done it myself. [02:56] the pavucontrol package may allow you to do it easily from a GUI. [02:56] not working at all [02:56] hrm interesting. [02:57] what does qjackctl give you in the log window? [02:58] rick@rick-desktop:~$ qjackctl [02:58] Suspending PulseAudio [02:58] though I since killed it [02:58] and now my sound is dead [02:59] interesting. When you shut down qjackctl, pulse should have stopped suspension. [02:59] though I am not surpised by that [02:59] How did you kill qjackctl? [02:59] rick@rick-desktop:~$ pulseaudio [02:59] E: pid.c: Daemon already running. [02:59] E: main.c: pa_pid_file_create() failed. [02:59] TheMuso, I used cntrl-C [03:00] rickspencer3: right, which probably killed the script mid step, causing things not to exit as they probably should in order for suspend to be disabled. [03:00] yeah [03:00] rickspencer3: to get pulse going again run pulseaudio -k ; pulseaudio --start [03:00] I was impatient [03:01] brb [03:01] yay [03:01] worked [03:03] rickspencer3: Is there a good reason why you want the sounds recorded? [03:04] pitty that recordmydesktop doesn't use pulseaudio. [03:04] mmm [03:04] TheMuso, yes, I want to demonstrate how to use PyGame mixer module [03:05] rickspencer3: ah ok. [03:05] hearing the sound would greatly help with this [03:05] yup [03:05] TheMuso, [03:05] so it still says: [03:05] rick@rick-desktop:~$ qjackctl [03:05] Suspending PulseAudio [03:05] yeah thats right. But do you get a window pop up? [03:05] yes [03:05] 20:01:23.255 Patchbay deactivated. [03:05] 20:01:23.315 Statistics reset. [03:05] 20:01:23.328 ALSA connection graph change. [03:05] 20:01:23.526 ALSA connection change. [03:06] I have only dim ideas of what any of this means [03:07] rickspencer3: hrm ok, maybe it would be better to run jackd from the command-line, however a few other things need to be done first to make things work properly, and as I said, I am not sure how to set up pulse to use jack. [03:07] meh [03:07] this is probably not a good use of your time [03:07] I thought I would just run the Jack Audio Connection tool [03:07] and it would all work [03:08] Not that easy unfortunately. [03:08] yeah [03:08] Even if you got it running, you still need to route the audio from pulseaudio via jack to the recorder application, as well as your mic. [03:08] oh fudge [03:08] that sounds heinous [03:09] Well jack was designed for advanced routing like that/pro audio use. [03:09] is there a way for me tell Pulse Audio that sound to my speakers is really an input device? [03:09] TheMuso, yeah, I understand [03:09] I'm not holding it against Jack [03:09] what I'll end up doing is using external speakers and an external mic [03:09] rickspencer3: Not that I know of. If anything its probably not possible from a pulse perspective. [03:10] Which is why audio re-routing has to be done, so that the audio from the app doesn't even get to the speakers. [03:11] speakers and external mic it will have to be [03:11] already wasted to much time on this [03:12] thanks TheMuso [03:12] TheMuso: Can't you hook up monitor sources in pulseaudio? Wouldn't that pretty much do what rick wants? [03:12] RAOF: Probably, I don't know enough about that. [03:12] to comment [03:12] I don't think there's a UI for it, but I think it's possible. [03:13] Not that “possible, as long as you're willing to code it” is a particularly useful state. :) [03:13] RAOF, what is the basic idea there? [03:14] You can certainly get the output of a pulseaudio sink as an input; that's how the gnome-volume-control shows the peak information (you know, the bar that bounces with the audio). [03:15] I don't have anything more concrete than being pretty sure it's *technically* possible to do with pulse. [03:16] You'd feed the monitor source of your soundcard's sink & your mic source into module-combine, then pipe that into whatever's doing the recording [03:17] After writing all the UI to do that, of course. [03:17] that sounds like an interesting project [03:17] but probably not worth blocking on ;) [03:17] hmmm [03:18] Maybe I'll expose enough pulse in pulseaudio-sharp 0.3 to write that UI in a sensible language ;) [03:18] RAOF, TheMuso what would happen if I got a wire that was male on each end ... [03:18] and plugged it into the headphone jack on one end, and the microphone jack on the other end [03:18] rickspencer3: You still need something to mix both the sources from your mic and the computer [03:19] oh, right [03:19] bah [03:19] SO what you would have is mic && speaker output -> mixing device -> input of computer [03:19] The easy answer is obvious [03:19] Dubbing? [03:19] but I don't have any nice sounding speakers [03:20] probably doesn't matter though [03:20] thanks guys [03:20] np [03:22] TheMuso, pavucontrol has my answer [03:22] when I am doing the sounds, I can switch on the Recording tab to use my internal stereo [03:23] I *think* that will let me choose between the mic and the sounds in real time [03:23] too bad it's radio buttons instead of check boxes :/ [03:24] hmm [03:25] rickspencer3: I don't think you can do what you want to do with pavucontrol, could be wrong though, never used it to control recording. [03:25] I just did it [03:26] You can't just add a voice over in post-processing? [03:27] RAOF, not really [03:27] it's really about programming [03:29] rickspencer3: if you want only one source or the other, then I guess thats fine. [03:29] so pavucontrol lists Monitor of Internal AUdio Stereo as a selectable input device [03:29] when you talk to me about recording multiple sources, then I automatically start thinking all pro and mixing etc. [03:30] TheMuso, there is no way to mix these easily? [03:30] in any case, this way is fine [03:30] rickspencer3: actually, you said monitor of stereo audio device, thats what you want, you just have to get your mic playing out your spakers, which could get messy. [03:30] speakers [03:30] TheMuso, right [03:30] so Isuggest flicking between monitor of stereo audio and the mic [03:31] waaaay back int eh day there was a way to do that on my Mac [03:31] TheMuso, just switching between them is totally fine for my purpose [03:31] ok [03:32] pavucontrol is pretty cool [03:32] It is. A bit messy, ui wise, but handy when you need it. [03:34] well, now there is no way that I have time to actually make the video tonight :) [03:34] BUT [03:34] my PyGame template seems mostly done [03:34] just need to add a template desktop file and icon [03:35] didrocks implemented this notion of command inheritance, so I made the PyGame template inherit it's package command from the ubuntu-application package command [03:35] and it worked first try! [03:35] crazy [03:36] cool [03:36] You know what I just realized [03:36] with pavucontrol, I have the power to play pretty much anything I want into mumble [03:36] mwuhahahahaha [03:40] heh [05:53] czajkowski, up early? [06:26] jono: yup [07:10] Good morning [07:44] good morning [07:47] bonjour didrocks [07:51] hey pitti, how are you today? [07:52] bit of a sore throat, but I'm great otherwise, thanks; how about you? [07:52] looking forward to "release day" again? :-) [07:53] right :-) Nothing too fancy today. I'll try to work a little on Quickly too to be able to release it (will need FF) as my latest patches are in Launchpad finally :) [07:53] otherwise I'm fine, thanks [07:54] take care to not be ill :) [08:17] * pitti replies to the gthumb 2.10 vs. 2.11 bug, does a few more experiments, finds more and more bugs [08:17] argh, I so much want 2.10 back *sniff* [08:17] didrocks: how does 2.11 work for you? [08:17] for me it's quite dreadful :( [08:18] pitti: I had no crash, got some bugs but upstream told me that a new release will be there for beta1 (which hasn't been the case). Importing worked as weel (I tried when we synced, not again since). I can give it a look again today [08:19] * didrocks likes shotwell to be honest :) [08:20] didrocks: I tried it yesterday [08:20] I wonder why all three popular photo managers now own your photos, differently [08:20] oh, I totally agree with that, that's a shame :( [08:21] the thing is that shotwell fit very well in a netbook screen, contrary to gthumb and f-spot [08:45] pitti: just so your remark on the bug report. FYI, shotwell doesn't change anything in the hierarchy if you use the "Picture" folder to have your photo. And there is an option too to avoid copying them when importing from another directory [08:47] didrocks, 'lu [08:47] hey seb128, how are you? [08:47] hey, quite good thank you! you? [08:48] you talk about what bug report there? [08:48] I'm fine too, thanks :) [08:48] you guys work on shotwell now? [08:48] seb128: bug #545871 [08:48] Launchpad bug 545871 in gthumb "[lucid] downgrade to stable 2.10" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545871 [08:48] hum, k [08:48] seb128: the discussion was brought that I'm not using gthumb nor f-spot but shotwell :) [08:49] how is shotwell revelant to the gthumb version? [08:49] oh ok [08:49] shotwell is interesting but still lacks quite a lot [08:49] seb128: it was just a side note about the "OMG it clutters my FSH with its own format" [08:49] lol [08:50] FHS* [08:50] it does sort by tags though still? [08:50] seb128: right, it just do what I need, but I have very limited needs in that area :) [08:50] I think pitti want sorting by directories [08:50] yes [08:50] bonjour seb128 [08:50] not sure if we can have this view in shotwell. I think not, will check with upstream [08:51] let's not worry about shotwell now; MM material :) [08:53] pitti, hey [09:06] is there a way to disable the popups about low disk space? those are shown for network filesystems too.. [09:09] tjaalton: ther's a checkbox; but they shouldn't be shown for network fs, mind filing a bug about it with a "gvfs-mount -li" output? [09:09] pitti: sure thing [09:10] hmm, that lists only the dvd-drive [09:10] these are mounted in fstab [09:11] *listed [09:11] tjaalton: ah; well, please include it anyway, plus the lines from fstab and "mount" output [09:13] pitti: against gvfs? [09:13] tjaalton: gnome-disk-utility [09:16] pitti, did you see that bug from elmo btw? [09:16] pitti, and the one from kees [09:16] pitti, do you use encrypted disks on lucid? [09:17] seb128: I saw the bugs, but didn't follow up yet [09:17] ok [09:17] I'm currently triaging bugs and catchin up on mail, so I should get to it in the next hour or two [09:17] pitti, the bug from elmo has something using devicekit [09:17] seb128: I don't use cryptsetup, just ecryptfs [09:17] dunno what though [09:17] or how to figure what that is [09:19] pitti: filed bug 546740 [09:20] Launchpad bug 546740 in gnome-disk-utility "popups about low disk space for NFS mounts" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546740 [09:20] tjaalton: thanks [09:20] tjaalton: but still, don't you have a checkbox to disable them? I do [09:21] pitti: yes, but how to solve it system-wide? [09:21] tjaalton: hm, you don't, I think; you can workaround it by removing /etc/xdg/autostart/gdu-notification-daemon.desktop (or disabling it) [09:21] can't find it with gconf-editor [09:21] oh, that works [09:22] would be fine if it complained about your quota, though.. [09:22] heh, yes [09:22] tjaalton: but I don't think it should touch these at all [09:22] apps will tell you if they run out of space when saving onto them [09:23] and if nautilus showed the remaining quota, not the fs data [09:23] oh yes they do :) [09:23] tjaalton: it's primarily interesting for /, since running out of space there produces tons of inexplicable effects [09:23] yep [09:23] (/home as well) [09:24] disabled the notificator locally, it's enough for me [09:25] tjaalton: it's also the bit that warns you about SMART failure, so be aware of it :0 [09:25] * pitti repairs shift key and the smiley -> :) [09:25] pitti: nah, hd's are cheap and not my problem to change them ;) [09:25] hds are, but your data on them might not [09:25] the workstations are practically stateless anyway [09:25] ah, ok [09:25] nothing valuable on them [09:26] pop a new one in and reinstall [09:26] tjaalton: hey, the Linux kernel alone is some $10G, isn't it? :-) [09:26] pitti: oh right, better start saving ;) [09:28] seb128: for bug 546446, it seems we just need to add an unlink() call to g-k startup, until shortly before lucid final? [09:28] Launchpad bug 546446 in gnome-keyring "old session keyring still on disk" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546446 [09:28] seb128: do you want to handle that, or shall I? [09:28] pitti, right, I would guess so [09:28] pitti, if you could that would be great [09:28] pitti, I've a busy list for today [09:28] actually, I think we should overwrite it with zeros first, and then unlink [09:28] seb128: alrighty [09:29] pitti, danke! [09:37] didrocks, how are the clutter updates going? [09:37] Ubuntu 10.04 has the titlebar buttons on the left - what were the designers thinking? And were they thinking at all!@#$ [09:38] seb128: i386 packages are built. Not amd64 (maybe build system waiting). If you want to give a try (no issue on my side): use the ubuntu-desktop ppa and my ppa for clutter-gtk (was too confident and didn't upload an ~ppa1 version and it FTBFS in the ubuntu-desktop ppa) [09:39] didrocks, still waiting on feedback to go to lucid? [09:39] didrocks, I would recommend updating today, it's getting tight [09:40] seb128: ok, it's a dch -r "" away so, can do it now :) [09:40] tomorrow is friday and you know that friday is not a good day for such changes and next week is beta2 freeze so it's getting late too [09:40] right [09:40] doing it [09:40] let me know if I can help in some way [09:40] ok thanks [10:00] argh, someone please shoot me -- https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/421212/comments/38 [10:00] Ubuntu bug 421212 in gnome-settings-daemon "gdm ignores keyboard layout selection for variants" [High,Fix released] [10:01] poor pitti :/ [10:01] * didrocks hugs pitti [10:01] * seb128 hugs pitti [10:19] hi pitti, I've got a question on p-d-e if you've got a minute. I was talking to kelemengabor about this patch to make a string on the music store translatable -> https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~kelemeng/rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store/bug546749 The plugin uses p-d-e auto, and I think in the patch the setup.cfg file can be dropped. However, p-d-e gives a message that .plugin.in files are not supported, and we're not sure how to best specify how to bui [10:19] ld the .plugin file from .plugin.in and install it. Do we have to explicitly add it to setup.py? [10:23] dpm: indeed, p-d-e's auto module doesn't pick up *.plugin.in, since that's not a standard file format [10:23] dpm: so you have to explicitly add it to setup.cfg, hang on [10:23] [build_i18n] [10:24] key_files = [('destination/dir', ['sourcedir/foo.plugin.in']), ... ] [10:24] dpm: ^ like this [10:24] (assuming that it's the key file format, for intltool-merge -k) [10:26] pitti, thanks. kelemengabor used the desktop file format, I'll have to check if it's the best format. The setup.cfg file on the patch looks like: [10:26] [build_i18n] [10:27] domain=rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store [10:27] desktop_files=[("/usr/lib/rhythmbox/plugins/umusicstore", ("umusicstore/umusicstore.rb-plugin.in",))] [10:28] dpm: that should work [10:28] does the domain need to be specified? or p-d-e will infer it anyway? [10:28] p-d-e auto [10:32] Nafai, hey there [10:33] Nafai, he's on the other side of the ocean so not up yet before some hours [10:33] Nafai, I'll get to your email (reply) regarding n-osd and LP: #451086 during the day. Busy still with some other stuff [10:33] seb128, ah ok [10:33] hey chrisccoulson [10:33] hey seb128 - how are you? [10:34] chrisccoulson, good thank you! what about you? [10:34] seb128 - yeah, good thanks. a bit tired though [10:34] seb128: FTR, luks usb sticks work like charm here, I followed up to kees' and elmo's reports with requests for further debug info [10:35] pitti, thank you! [10:35] chrisccoulson, did you work late or baby woke you up or both? ;-) [10:35] seb128 - both ;) [10:36] my daughter has got back in to the habit of waking every 2 hours during the night again ;) [10:36] I see ;-) [10:40] pitti, the bug from kees, I think the issue is that's it not automount as it should [10:40] pitti, the udisks log says it's a system partition not a removable device [10:40] pitti, that seemed what is buggy to me [10:41] pitti, seb128: it looks like gvfs saw the drive and didn't do anything about it. [10:42] pitti, that's from yesterday on IRC btw [10:45] ah, indeed === dpm is now known as dpm-bbl [10:47] seb128: bug updated [10:47] pitti, danke! [10:48] pitti - is bug 546740 really a gdu bug? [10:48] Launchpad bug 546740 in gnome-disk-utility "popups about low disk space for NFS mounts" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546740 [10:49] chrisccoulson: I haven't looked at it in detail, but why not? [10:49] chrisccoulson: well, it could be udisks, if that invalidly tracks nfs mounts [10:49] pitti - i know g-s-d handles low disk space warnings, but i'm not sure if gdu is handling those too now [10:49] but it seemed to be a good starting point [11:00] seb128, is there any way we can let apport know that a crash in Rhythmbox is actually caused by the music store plugin, so you don't have to keep reassigning bugs? :) [11:00] aquarius, yes, I was just thinking about that [11:01] I thought you might be. :) I can't help people who file music store bugs against Rhythmbox manually, but we could at least help apport bugs. I don't know enough about apport to know whether this is doable, though [11:01] aquarius, we could let the hook ask if the issue is happening with rhythmbox or with the music store [11:01] ooh, hooks can do interactive stuff? I didn't know that. [11:01] aquarius, or we can look at the stacktrace if the musicstore.so is there and reassign those which have it in the stacktrace too [11:02] aquarius, try ubuntu-bug rhythmbox on lucid? [11:03] aquarius, it's already asking questions [11:03] we can tweak those [11:03] Excellent. So one more question, "The Ubuntu One Music Store is not working correctly". [11:04] heh. I assume that "No sound is being played" sends the bug to pulseaudio and "some audio files are not being played correctly" sends it to gstreamer? ;) [11:05] ah, found the apport hook [11:05] aquarius, something around those line yes, but using the interactive audio hook [11:05] aquarius, /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_rhythmbox.py [11:05] aquarius, you are welcome to send a patch for it [11:06] doing so now... [11:06] thanks [11:06] how do I test an apport hook without building and installing the package? [11:07] aquarius, edit /usr/share/apport/package-hooks/source_rhythmbox.py directly? [11:07] until you have what you want [11:07] and then diff with the ubuntu one [11:08] * aquarius grins. That's what I was going to do, I just thought that I was being an evil hacky person :) [11:08] aquarius, btw could you look at bug #546244 [11:08] Launchpad bug 546244 in rhythmbox "selecting "Jump to Playing Song" crashes program when previewing a song from Ubuntu One store" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546244 [11:08] not sure if that's a rhythmbox bug for crashing [11:08] or if the store should unactivate the jump to playing song in some way [11:09] didrocks, you rocks btw if I didn't say it today ;-) [11:09] hrm. I think RB shouldn't *crash*. When we play a streamed song we create a library entry for it, and it'spossible that I'm creating that library entry wrong so it's unjumpable [11:09] didrocks, the no gdm sound change works great [11:09] * didrocks hugs seb128 (even if I don't know why ;)) [11:10] oh sweet! [11:10] aquarius, ok, I will upstream tht one [11:11] aquarius, btw do you want the crashes in webkit code be reassigned to the store? [11:11] or to webkit [11:11] for the moment, the store [11:11] ok thanks [11:11] I was going to suggests doing that too [11:11] if we can work around them, we will, and then assign to webkit to actually have the crasher fixed [11:11] we don't have anybody actively working on webkit [11:11] so I'm not sure they would get attention there [11:11] that's what I thought, too :) [11:12] is anybody in your team upstreaming webkit issues? [11:12] that would be a good idea imho [11:12] we need to invest some energy on webkit bugs anyway, with the store + software-center using it now [11:12] I've had some conversations with xan, but we haven't actively upstreamed the issues yet because we haven't actually had that many -- although possibly you're now going to tell me that we've had millions but they're all assigned to Rhythmbox and I haven't noticed [11:12] those a key components in lucid [11:13] aquarius, no, it's rather than webkit upstream seems active and I'm for setting up good records of being good citizen and having a good relationship with them if we can [11:13] *nod* agreed completely. [11:14] hm. If we get a crash in RB, and from RB's apport hook I execlp "apport rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store", it'll lose the crash information, won't it? [11:15] but if I add_package_info("rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store") then it'll still be a rhythmbox bug as well as a musicstore bug. Can I tell apport "use this package *instead* of the one you think it is", rather than *as well as* the one you think it is? [11:18] if report.has_key("Stacktrace") and "/usr/lib/nautilus" in report["Stacktrace"]: [11:18] for words in report["Stacktrace"].split(): [11:18] if words.startswith("/usr/lib/nautilus"): [11:18] report.add_package_info(apport.packaging.get_file_package(words)) [11:18] return [11:18] aquarius, you can copy that I guess [11:19] aquarius, well it's probably easier in your case [11:19] aquarius, that code reassign to whatever package contain a nautilus .so listed in the stacktrace... [11:19] aquarius, ie if it the stacktrace has /usr/lib/nautilus/ubuntuone.so it will open the bug on the source package for it [11:20] it assumes that if a .so is listed it's responsive for the issue ;-) [11:20] yep, that's how I'll autodetect crashes. I'm trying to work out how I can make the report be assigned to rb-u1-music-store and *not* be assigned to rhythmbox, without just cheating by exec'ing apport again. add_package_info will add rb-u1-m-s to the report, but it'll leave rhythmbox on the bug, won't it? [11:20] maybe I'm misunderstanding how apport reports work [11:20] * aquarius rtfs :) [11:21] aquarius, I'm not sure now but I'm pretty sure it does open on the corresponding source [11:21] ok, so I'll just add rb-u1-m-s and that should work. nice. [11:22] right, try to do [11:22] report.add_package_info("rb-u1-music-store") [11:22] return [11:22] in the hook [11:22] exactly what I'm doing [11:22] it's easy to test, see where ubuntu-bug is sending you when you open a bug [11:27] pitti, bug #546785 [11:27] Launchpad bug 546785 in gnome-control-center "keyboard layouts don't remain" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546785 [11:27] :-( [11:28] seb128: please assign to me (will look later on) [11:28] pitti, ok [11:28] I did some 3 hours of bug triage now, and piled up some 5 new assigned bugs; one more won't make a lot of difference :) [11:31] * aquarius grumbles. stacktraces for webkit crashes don't mention the music store at all. Should I assume that all webkit crashes in Rhythmbox are music store crashes? [11:32] yes [11:32] since rhythmbox doesn't use webkit [11:33] oh, the context sidepane does but it's not on by default [11:33] I think most of the crashes we will get are store ones [11:33] no offense to you [11:33] but the store will get lot of users ;-) [11:34] * aquarius laughs [11:34] yeah, you're right :) [11:38] seb128: btw, the retracers keep crashing on the same bug; it doesn't help to just restart them, we have to figure out what's wrong with that particular bug (or unmark it for retracing for now) [11:39] pitti, right-o, I was just thinking the same when I saw they crashed again [11:40] seb128: bug 546785 doesn't look like a regression at least, just that gconf and gdm have a different idea of what the default layout is [11:40] Launchpad bug 546785 in gnome-control-center "keyboard layouts don't remain" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/546785 [11:41] pitti, oh, good, I didn't try to understand it to be honest [11:41] seb128: I have a suspicion, but I'll ask for data to confirm [11:45] pitti - did you figure out where the low disk space warning comes from? [11:45]