slangasekbryceh: ok, the fglrx package appears to check out as DTRT, I think the submitter of that bug simply didn't use the Ubuntu fglrx package00:06
brycehslangasek, yep, that's what I thought.  It's sort of a known donut hole.  I put it in our spec and test plans to try to handle the corner case better but I think tseliot had too many other tasks to juggle00:07
superm1the problem is that the changes for the fglrx packaging don't trickle into AMD's releases for 2-3 releases00:08
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psusihrm... seems the disk UUID mapping gives preference to the snapshot over the original volume.... not good.02:40
sorenpsusi: What, still?!?03:34
* soren facepalms03:35
sorenkees: Would you say bug 460906 is important enough to be fixed this late in the cycle?03:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460906 in lvm2 "disk/by-uuid/foo symlink points to snapshot rather than the origin" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46090603:38
* soren thinks so03:38
hyperairthat suonds like a potentially problematic bug03:40
sorenIndeed. I spotted it quite late in the karmic cycle (a few days before release, apparantly) and then forgot all about until just now.03:41
keessoren: I still don't have much of an opinion about it.  I think by-uuid for a snapshot is kind of meaningless (i.e. the lv name is the unique part)04:39
keessoren: there is logic for the link either direction.04:39
slangasekdoko_: I've confirmed that bug #417757 *is* still present in lucid05:22
ubottuLaunchpad bug 417757 in eglibc "[karmic regression] all network apps / browsers suffer from multi-second delays by default due to IPv6 DNS lookups" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/41775705:22
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twbCan I make pbuilder automatically run lintian on the .changes file it generates?  If so, how?07:03
pittiGood morning07:09
pittibeuno: aptitude> hm, not sure; mvo?07:09
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dholbachgood morning08:19
[reed]anybody know why Ubuntu's apache2 doesn't link against libssl like Debian's does?08:22
twb[reed]: from the PTS page (http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/apache2.html) you can find a link to the patch between Debian and Ubuntu.  That usually explains why.08:36
twbI can't see anything obvious there, so maybe you misdiagnosed it?08:37
primes2hpitti: Hello, please wait a moment before closing bug 536914. I found out there are other few keys that needs fixing (<255) I'll tell you when I finish.09:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 536914 in udev "[Lucid Alpha3][khk-004 testcase failed] Click on Internet hotkey opens Home folder on Acer Laptops" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53691409:00
pittiprimes2h: hm, I thought I reopened it already?09:02
pittiah, I did09:02
pittiprimes2h: ok, waitin gthen09:03
primes2hpitti: Yes, I mean, there is still other 2 keys  I have to triage09:03
primes2hpitti: thanks09:03
primes2hpitti: I also sent a message to our Italian Testing ML asking Simona (Aspire 1640) to tell me about her full keyboard layout.09:06
primes2hpitti: I'll let you know ASAP09:06
TheMusopitti: Would I break anything if I were to include the checking of hd[a-z] in the 60-cdrom_id.rules udev rule? This is needed for lucid only, as there is no libata version of powerpc/mac's IDE driver. A driver is supposedly in 2.6.33, so this rule change is only needed till lucid+1, and its safer than backporting a driver in the kernel.09:10
mkarnickilwindow 109:10
mkarnickioops sry guys ;)09:11
pittiTheMuso: this sounds very similar to what Debian has to do; I thought mbiebl already had a patch for IDE CD-ROMs, let me check09:11
pittiTheMuso: http://git.debian.org/?p=pkg-utopia/udisks.git;a=blob;f=debian/patches/10-ide-cd-support.patch;h=59a19e4eaf414b9b8bdf0588898d964ff95613f3;hb=HEAD09:13
pittiTheMuso: it basically adds the blkid call for ID_CDROM_MEDIA hd*09:13
pittiTheMuso: is that what you need?09:13
TheMusopitti: No, I mean actually editing 60-cdrom_id.rules to check for add|change nodes on hd[a-z] for IDE CD devices that are on the pmac driver in 2.6.32 and below, which doesn't have a libata equivalent.09:14
TheMusoI'm just wondring whether checking those nodes shoudl they exist will break anything.09:14
TheMusoso the change is in udev itself.09:15
pittiah, I see09:15
pittiTheMuso: hm, Debian should have that change as well then, otherwise mbiebl's udisks patch couldn't work at all09:15
* TheMuso checks sid's udev.09:16
pittiTheMuso: so, I don't think it would hurt at all, but it'd be the first and only delta to upstream that we have in udev, and I don't think Keybuk will like it a lot09:16
pittiTheMuso: OTOH there's nothing wrong with shipping a 60-cdrom_id-ide.rules in a powerpc specific package :)09:16
TheMusopitti: RIght, I can understand that.09:16
TheMusopitti: There is that too. I'll have to see how that could be included in d-i, as d-i installation from alternates on powerpc are broken due to this issue.09:17
pittiTheMuso: oh, right, I could just stuff the new rule into debian/ in udev09:18
pittiTheMuso: and only install it on powerpc, to be on the safe side09:18
TheMusopitti: that works09:18
TheMusopitti: there is an LP bug for this, reported by someone else. I'll fetch the number.09:18
pittiTheMuso: confirmed, sid's udev has the rule like that09:19
TheMusopitti: oh ok you beat me to it.09:19
pittiTheMuso: ok, please assing it to me; I'll have a quick discussion with Keybuk about how he wants this packaged, and get to it09:19
TheMusobug 53491209:19
ubottuLaunchpad bug 534912 in udev "[Lucid powerpc alternate] No common CD-ROM drive was detected." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53491209:19
TheMusopitti: ok thanks.09:20
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mvocjwatson: hi, are you ok with the name "SUPPORTED_OVERWRITES.hints" for the fine-tuning file for lucid-support-timeframe? I will put it in lp:~ubuntu-core-dev/ubuntu-seeds/platform.lucid - I'm happy about better matching names10:33
mvocjwatson: or maybe SUPPORT_TIME_OVERWRITES.hints ?10:39
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peciskkenvandine: hi, are you here? :)11:00
jibelmvo, hey, I need advice to fix bug 13028911:01
ubottuLaunchpad bug 130289 in apt "Encode any ":", "@" or "/" within the user and password field in proxy settings." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13028911:01
mvojibel: let me have a look11:01
jibelmvo, the problem is with the way apt reads it's configuration and parse encoded characters.11:02
jibele.g %40 is stored internally as @11:02
jibelIt's then really difficult to parse an URI with password containing these characters11:02
jibelmvo, Is there any way to read the raw value of a configuration item ?11:02
jibelIf there's no trivial solution I'll update the URI parser.11:03
mvojibel: something like QuoteString etc from apt-pkg/contrib/strutils.cc does not help I assume?11:06
jibelmvo, no it will quote the whole string. if there something like Acquire::http::Proxy "http://user2:p%40s%2Fs%3Aword@localhost:3128";11:08
jibelmvo, I need the value http://user2:p%40s%2Fs%3Aword@localhost:3128 not user2:p@s/:word or worse user2:p%40s%2Fs%3Aword%40localhost%3A312811:09
mvojibel: could we read the string from the config, use the URI class to convert it, and then QuoteString/UnQuoteString only on URI.User, URI.Password?11:10
mvojibel: I guess it would make a lot of sense to add a GetRaw to the configuration class in apt itself, let me have a look11:11
ionI love seeing fixes for race conditions by adding ‘sleep 3’. :-) (foo2zjs changelog)11:13
jibelmvo, That's what I was thinking too. Add a FindR method and a RawValue member to the Item struct11:13
iontkamppeter: Isn’t having a udev script call sleep EBW?11:23
peciskkenvandine: so far I couldn't get libproxy to recognise different server for https, and also it ignores auth. user and password in GNOME proxy settings11:23
slangasekion: elephantine beyond words?11:23
slangasekoh, "evil bad wrong"?11:23
slangasekyes, udev doesn't allow long-lived child processes11:24
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jibelmvo, the problem is elsewhere. apt reads and stores its configuration correctly but it converts and stores the string a second time.11:27
peciskkenvandine: seems like we will have to patch libproxy to support more than simple proxy handling to have proper support.11:30
cjwatsonmvo: all-caps is reasonable to avoid clashes - how about SUPPORTED-HINTS?11:38
cjwatsonEBW> I like "B&R" (Bad and Rong)11:39
mvocjwatson: thanks, SUPPORTED_HINTS is fine, I will use that11:46
lamontasac/ogra: http://launchpad.net/builders/gourd11:58
lamontthis will especially be a win if eglibc is FTBFS on imbe11:58
jibelmvo, the problem is in  pkgAcqMethod::Configuration where all the config items are "dequoted" I guess11:59
mvojibel: ohh, that makes sense11:59
lamontasac/ogra: since my testbuild of that version of eglibc on gourd resulted in bug 54680812:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546808 in eglibc "armel v7 test failure: test-fpucw, tst-cpuclock2, tst-eintr1, tst-timer" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54680812:00
kenvandinepecisk, can you check in #libproxy first?12:01
kenvandinepecisk, i would be surprised if that was the case12:01
kenvandinepecisk, nevermind... i see you did12:01
kenvandinerock on :)12:01
peciskkenvandine: i run trough code, it is very simple, they handle only http now12:01
tjaaltonis there a long backlog of builds or other problems, since ppa packages seem to take many hours before getting built12:02
peciskproblem is - if you want to use libproxy in Lucid, it would have rather large feature set to add, and it is kinda no no as far as I know12:02
pecisknevermind that code is kinda simple12:02
mvojibel: apt-get update -o Debug::pkgAcquire::worker=true will show you the configuration messages that are send12:02
lamonttjaalton: lots of uploads, and the extra machines that we generally steal to be ppas are being used for their primary role atm, it would appear12:03
lamontat least "many of"12:03
tjaaltonlamont: ok, I'll wait then12:03
tjaaltonthough at least i386/amd64 buildd's don't have any "'currently building' build records"12:06
jibelmvo, that's it. I removed the DeQuoteString and the password is ok.12:07
tjaaltonhah, a lot accurate it seems :)12:07
* tjaalton bookmarks12:08
tjaaltondamn daily/nightly builds ;)12:08
jibelcjwatson, hi, could you have a look at bug 545790, 545738, 454354. This is an odd error and there's an increasing number of reports since a few days.12:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 545790 in dpkg "package PACKAGE failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '<standard output>': Success" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54579012:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 545738 in dpkg "package PACKAGE failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '<standard output>': No such file or directory" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54573812:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 454354 in dpkg "package PACKAGE failed to install/upgrade: error writing to '<standard output>': Input/output error" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45435412:11
jibelcjwatson, there error is triggered when dpkg fflush an error message but the fflush fails.12:12
jibelcjwatson, The scenario seems to be: user run update-manager, system crash, reboot, apport triggers and report those errors.12:12
ogralamalex, i dont think the test is a HW specific failure (fails on pegatron as well as on babbage afaik)12:13
ogralamont, ^^^12:13
jibelmvo, do you think adding an untouched raw config value is the right solution ?12:13
cjwatsonjibel: any idea when it started appearing?12:16
cjwatsonjibel: (BTW I really appreciate this sort of active triage/collation work and direct contact with developers on the hot bugs - it's invaluable)12:16
cjwatson$ wcgrep 'm_output.*standard output' | wc -l12:17
cjwatsonoh dear12:17
jibelcjwatson, in karmic, but the rate is higher since the latest beta12:18
cjwatsoncould just be increasing number of upgrades, then12:18
mvojibel: you removed the UnQuoteString in ::Configuration ? or where?12:18
mvojibel: there was a crash bug for a couple of hours in update-manager that may have triggered this12:20
jibelmvo, yes, but that's definitely not the right solution ;)12:20
mvojibel: that is why I asked :)12:20
jibelmvo, but that confirms that's the problem since there's no more 407 from the proxy.12:21
mvojibel: hm, hm, tircky to solve12:21
lamontogra: hence the bonus points if it does fail on pegatron12:21
mvojibel: but great that we know excactly what the problem is now12:21
jibelmvo, have some lunch. cu12:22
mvojibel: see you (and thanks!)12:22
asaclamont: can you try to build libplist on one of the newer builders?12:26
lamontasac: assuming it builds, how long does it run?12:28
asaclamont: really quick12:30
asaca couple of minutes12:30
asaclamont: its the one that failed because of thumb2 instructions in the test binaries12:31
lamont /home/buildd/libplist-1.1/obj-arm-linux-gnueabi/swig/plistPYTHON_wrap.cxx:9369: warning: deprecated conversion from string constant to 'char*'12:31
lamontah, cool12:31
lamonttests 100% passed.12:32
* asac happy!12:32
asaclamont: was that a real archive build? or just a test build?12:32
asace.g. are the bits now in ?12:32
lamontjust a test12:32
asacah ok12:32
lamontforcing the build to happen there requires, um, more work12:33
* lamont goes to throw it against the wall a little12:33
ograbut that smells very good already :)12:35
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ionkeybuk: You might find a udev script doing ‘sleep 3’ interesting. Oh, and the ‘sleep 3’ is a also ‘fix’ for a race condition. ;-) The package is foo2zjs.12:51
Keybukprobably works just fine in mandriva12:51
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pecisklibparted segfaults in daily lucid server cd when trying to get partition tables from hard drives13:17
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cjwatsonpecisk: please submit a bug report with full logs13:23
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peciskwill do13:40
mvojibel: I updated bug #130289 with a possible solution, I would be interessted if it helps14:06
ubottuLaunchpad bug 130289 in apt "Encode any ":", "@" or "/" within the user and password field in proxy settings." [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/13028914:06
tkamppeterion, the sleep is called in a script which the udev rule starts in the background. The udev rule exits while the script is still running.14:07
Keybuktkamppeter: why does it sleep though?14:07
cjwatsonpitti: what's the easiest way for me to test that new ntfs-3g still works with udisks?14:08
pitticjwatson: create an USB stick with an NTFS partition, plug it in, and see if it automounts?14:09
pitticjwatson: I also have a test suite for udisks, which covers NTFS as well14:09
pittiyou can just run that14:10
pitticjwatson: but if an NTFS usb stick automounts, it should be okay; I don't suppose it changed the mount.ntfs-3g CLI, did it?14:11
cjwatsonshouldn't think so14:13
xnoxPlease sponsor sync Bug #546482. It's bugfix & translation lucid-special LTS upstream release.14:18
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546482 in xiphos "Sync xiphos 3.1.3-1 (universe) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54648214:18
mvoRiddell: I attached a patch to bug #546024, you may want to check if the version is correct and commit to bzr (I don't think I have commit access to the relevant branch)14:24
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546024 in phonon "file overwrite error" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54602414:24
lemsx1Please see bug # 546929 as this affect new installations in today's netboot installer14:29
cjwatsonpitti: thanks, ntfs test passes, uploading14:29
pitti\o/ thanks14:29
cjwatsondidn't have a handy USB stick but I guess "fs: NTFS ... [cli] [ud] ok" is good enough14:29
cjwatsonlemsx1: *please* don't file bugs against the 'lucid' project14:30
pitticjwatson: right14:30
pitticjwatson: out of interest, how much of the tests passed for you?14:30
cjwatsonlemsx1: read the text in ALL CAPS on https://launchpad.net/lucid14:30
cjwatsonpitti: oh, I just did './run FS.test_ntfs'14:30
pitticjwatson: ah, fair enough14:30
pitticjwatson: I was just curious, since I didn't get a lot of feedback from other people/distros about it yet (except from mbiebl)14:31
pittibut nevermind14:31
cjwatsonlemsx1: I've reassigned your bug to the proper place14:31
cjwatsonlemsx1: of course the developers of that text editor will keep on getting mailed about it, but ...14:32
ScottKmvo: We get phonon from qt4-x11 now.  I moved the bug to the right package.14:35
mvoScottK: thanks14:35
ScottKdoko_: Does your gcc4.4 ia64 fix mean we can drop the ia64 specific work around in our next qt4-x11 upload?14:35
peciskhi people, if I configure GNOME proxy settings with auth. user and password, I can't get http_proxy as http://user:password@host:port, but simply as http://host:port. It is intentional?14:36
doko_ScottK: yes14:36
ScottKdoko_: Thanks.14:36
jibelmvo, it doesn't help. the problem is really with the global dequotestring in pkgAcqMethod::Configuration14:38
jibelmvo, we want some config vars to be unquoted and some other not to be.14:39
jibelmvo, more precisely, not dequoted at this moment.14:40
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jibelmvo, couldn't we had an exclusion list of config vars ? And do not apply the DeQuoteString in the Cnf.Set call for those parameters ?14:44
jibelpecisk, hi, I can't reproduce.14:46
mvojibel: I think that will work, could you attach a dump of the debug output please to the bugreport (from the pkgworker). I wonder if we can not quote some stuff specially so that on unquote its fully restored or have a different unquoe that ensures only what was quoted before gets unquoted. it sounds like this really what we want, that quote/unquote are fully reversible14:48
peciskjibel: proxy problem?14:49
jibelpecisk, sorry, I cannot reproduce the proxy problem14:50
peciskjibel: it gives you correct http_proxy value?14:50
jibelpecisk, set a proxy with user/pass. Open a new terminal and echo $http_proxy -> http://user2:p%40ssword@localhost:3128/14:51
peciskdoesn't work for me14:51
jibelpecisk, file a report, I'll have a look. ubuntu-bug gnome-control-center. Thanks.14:52
tseliotPlyBuk, err... Keybuk, how are things going with plymouth?14:53
Keybuktseliot: stalled for the moment14:56
tseliotKeybuk: can I have access to that patch/commit of yours which makes sure that deactivate and quit work correctly (just for testing locally), please?14:57
Keybuktseliot: why not just pull from the branch and build that?14:57
tseliotKeybuk: well, what kind of problems are you facing (so that I can be prepared)?14:58
Keybukoh, just irritating messages on boot ;-)14:59
tseliotI think I can deal with that14:59
Keybukit may not show a splash screen also14:59
tseliotnow you're making it too easy for me to blame it on your work if my patch messes things up15:00
mvojibel: could you please have a look at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apt/+bug/130289/comments/4 ?15:00
ubottuUbuntu bug 130289 in apt "Encode any ":", "@" or "/" within the user and password field in proxy settings." [Medium,In progress]15:00
mvojibel: unless I'm missing something it should help15:01
mvojibel: actually I guess QuoteString() should always quote % to ensure its reversible on DeQuoteString()15:02
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jibelmvo, log attached to the bug report.15:05
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cjwatsonlemsx1: thanks, this looks pretty widespread, I've cranked up the priority15:05
lemsx1cjwatson: thnx15:09
mvojibel: thanks! with or without the patch15:10
lemsx1cjwatson: sorry. i didn't see the text about the Lucid project... I'll follow that next time ;-)15:10
lemsx1cjwatson: wtf is Lucid editor... lol good one15:11
lemsx1cjwatson: I have another system that I ran into issues and I was able to fix the problem. it's an OQO (mobile device). I needed to blacklist the viafb driver. Is this something that I should file as a bug too? (hardware specific issue)15:12
cjwatsonlemsx1: err, I'm not a kernel hacker so I don't know15:12
cjwatsonlemsx1: I imagine you should file a bug if you're having problems15:12
zulpitti: when you get a chance can you review 522509 please? thanks15:13
lemsx1cjwatson: against what package? or just Lucid in general?15:14
cjwatsonlemsx1: the linux package in Ubuntu I assume, since it sounds like a kernel bug15:14
sebnerbdrung: I think java is b0rken and that breaks eclipse: http://pastebin.com/9D3VEsXD  (Just started a new project, wrote 1 line of code, pressed ENTER, crash)15:40
bdrungsebner: result of "xulrunner --gre-version"?15:42
sebnerbdrung: , I read the bug report but it doesn't crash at startup, I can create a new project without problems, it crashes when writing code15:42
bdrungsebner: it crash only on startup if the welcome page should be loaded, but it's the same issue15:43
sebnerbdrung: aye, I'm seeing you are already working on it?! It's not urgent so I can wait some hours/days for the update. Else I would just have to use new xulrunner right?15:44
bdrungsebner: launch eclipse with "eclipse -vmargs -Dorg.eclipse.swt.browser.XULRunnerPath=/usr/lib/xulrunner-1.9.2"15:46
sebnerbdrung: works :)15:49
bdrungsebner: k, i was right :)15:49
sebnerbdrung: :) I guess you just need to change xulrunner-dev (>= ?15:51
bdrungsebner: nope. it was build against xulrunner-
sebnerbdrung: ohohoho15:52
sebnerbdrung: so you have to hardcode xulrunner 1.9.2 in Depends?15:53
pittiseb128, kees: mind eyeballing http://bazaar.launchpad.net/%7Eubuntu-desktop/gnome-keyring/ubuntu/annotate/head%3A/debian/patches/04_clean_session_keyring.patch ?15:54
bdrungsebner: nope - we B-D on xulrunner-dev, which pulls xulrunner-1.9.2 in lucid.15:54
bdrungit's dynamically15:55
sebnerbdrung: oh, Ic. Sorry for the noise, I'm not really up to date what uses and pulls in what :D15:55
pittiseb128, kees: I don't have a session.keyring, so I created a fake one, and tested in various situations (within session so far; building package and doing end-to-end testing with a full reboot now)15:55
bdrungsebner: eclipse's xulrunner detection is totally fucked up. so we have to set it in our wrapper script.15:56
sebnerbdrung: heh, wondering, how xulrunner can break eclipse when writing java code O_o15:57
seb128pitti, ok, will have a look in a few minutes when I'm done with what I'm doing now15:57
pittiseb128: cheers (not that urgent, I'll do more tests and then do other stuff)15:58
bdrungsebner: type "System." and a dropdown list will open and a "tooltip" (rendered with xulrunner) will explain its details15:59
sebnerbdrung: ah. now I understand, thx :)15:59
sebnerbdrung: maybe they should switch to webkit :P16:00
Keybukslangasek: so, I'm thinking, let's ship lucid without a splash screen?  what do you think :p16:00
bdrungsebner: i doubt that this will help16:00
tseliotKeybuk: +1 :-P16:01
bdrungsebner: except webkit will be rewritten in java :P16:02
sebnerbdrung: urgh, java ...  xulrunner != java too16:03
directhexbdrung, http://twitter.com/migueldeicaza/status/1093073968916:03
slangasekKeybuk: well, at least I'll be in London for the release sprint already and will be able to attend your funeral :)16:03
sebnerdirecthex: hää? webkit-sharp!?!16:05
bdrungwebkit-sharp and then jwebkit :D Eclipse 6 with jwebkit16:06
Keybukslangasek: I think that, ultimately, as Release Manager, all failures are your fault16:06
KeybukCaptain is responsible for the actions of his Crew, and all that :p16:06
sebnerKeybuk: may the grass be green above and the worms not that hungry beneath :)16:07
jcastroKeybuk: needs to go down with the ship also iirc16:08
sebnerThe Captain goes down with the ship!16:09
sebnerVice-captain (Keybuk) too of course :P16:09
slangasekKeybuk: I don't think I'm cut out for the navy :P16:10
KeybukI'm just the cabin boy16:10
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bdrungis it a release goal to let the ship go down in ten seconds? ;)16:10
cjwatsonKeybuk: roger that16:10
Keybukcjwatson: I'm having a dpkg-source failure16:18
Keybukand it keeps whining to me about v316:18
Keybukdpkg-source: info: use the '3.0 (quilt)' format to have separate and documented changes to upstream files, see dpkg-source(1)16:19
Keybukdpkg-source: unrepresentable changes to source16:19
hyperairKeybuk: it means you've modified a binary file.16:19
Keybukhyperair: how does v3 help here?16:19
hyperairKeybuk: 1.0 only supports textual changes16:19
hyperairKeybuk: v3 consists of multiple tarballs.16:19
hyperairdebian.tar.gz, orig.tar.gz16:20
hyperairv1 consists of diff.gz, orig.tar.gz16:20
hyperairthe diff.gz can't contain binary changes16:20
hyperairso you'll have to uuencode whatever it is you're doing16:20
hyperairor use 3.016:20
Keybukhow can debian.tar.gz contain binary changes16:20
Keybukis it just unpacked over the top?16:20
hyperairi think so16:20
hyperairnot sure16:20
Laneyit can't16:20
hyperairoh it can't?16:20
Laneyit only touches stuff in debian/16:20
hyperairwell at least debian/ can contain a binary file16:20
Laneyyou can have binaries in there though16:20
hyperairunlike in v116:20
Keybuk Note that the debian tar‐16:21
Keybuk       ball must contain a debian sub-directory but it can also contain binary16:21
Keybuk       files outside of that directory (see --include-binaries option).16:21
Laneyoh, cool16:21
KeybukLaney: dpkg-source(1) disagrees with you16:21
Keybukso how do I make one of these source packages?16:21
cjwatsonKeybuk: debian/source/include-binaries is your friend16:21
hyperairecho "3.0 (quilt)" > debian/source/format16:21
hyperairand dpkg-source handles the rest16:21
hyperairoh you'll have to disconnect your patch system from rules16:22
hyperairand control16:22
hyperairdpkg-source will take care of that16:22
* cjwatson digs up an example16:22
hyperairand only uses quilt16:22
KeybukI don't have a patch system16:22
cr3is there an equivalent to lshal -m (for monitor) since the halsectomy?16:22
Keybuk(there is no debian/patches)16:22
Keybukcr3: udevadm monitor16:22
cjwatsonyou don't need one16:22
Laneylooks like you just put the filename of the binary in debian/source/include-binaries16:22
cr3Keybuk: thanks16:22
cjwatsonso, for openssh16:22
cjwatson$ cat debian/source/format16:23
cjwatson3.0 (quilt)16:23
cjwatson$ cat debian/source/include-binaries16:23
cjwatsonthat's only in bzr, I haven't uploaded that yet16:23
Keybukcan I put wildcards in there? :p16:23
cjwatsonbrowser-history has one too16:23
hyperairKeybuk: try it and see =p16:24
cjwatsonI don't think so16:24
cjwatsonyou can build with --include-binaries once, and it'll dump them all in there16:24
cjwatsonyou can probably even put that in debian/source/options16:24
Keybukany idea how to make pristine-tar not convert the bz2 to tar.gz ?16:25
cjwatsonif you're completely confident that your clean rule works :)16:25
cr3I used to be able to troubleshoot brightness issues by echoing 50 (for example) into /proc/acpi/video/.../brightness, but one netbook on which the brightness keys don't work returns: write error: invalid argument16:27
Keybukthat's probably why the brightness keys don't work, then16:29
cr3Keybuk: I'll try to rebout with noacpi16:29
jibelmvo, with the patch16:30
\shUDS-M approved by company , means we are coming :)16:42
\shwell...one week sponsored by our employer16:46
keespitti: reading it now...16:52
keespitti: looks good to me.16:54
pittikees: thanks17:00
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tseliotpitti: is there a bug report about fglrx and jockey already?17:08
pittitseliot: for what?17:08
tseliotpitti: to be able to install it again17:08
pittitseliot: ah; I'm not aware of one17:08
Keybukdo we care about fglrx anymore?17:08
tseliotKeybuk: yes, in some cases we do17:09
tseliotpitti: ok, I'll look for it and file a new one if necessary (and assign it to me) just to keep track of things17:10
pittitseliot: thanks17:10
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keespitti: re bug 546436, it's esata (I commented on the bug too)17:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546436 in udisks "Does not detect LUKS storage device as hotpluggable" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54643617:11
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pittikees: ah; itz kernel bug then; AFAIR I saw a similar one, I'll dupe it17:11
keespitti: how is it a kernel bug?  I didn't think it could distinguish between "internal" and "external" for esata, so it was simply the sudden appearance that should trigger the mount?17:12
primes2htseliot: you mean this?  bu 49469917:12
primes2hbug 49469917:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 494699 in fglrx-installer "Does not support current Lucid kernel (2.6.32) or xserver (1.7)" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49469917:12
primes2htseliot: ups, sorry17:13
primes2htseliot: misunderstand17:13
pittiah, that was bug 15376817:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 153768 in hal "External SATA (eSATA) removable disk detected as system-internal" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15376817:13
tseliotprimes2h: I guess this one would be more like it: bug #49622517:13
ubottuLaunchpad bug 496225 in jockey "Jockey cannot install fglrx driver" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/49622517:13
pittikees: well, what is "sudden"?17:13
primes2htseliot: sure ;-)17:13
pittikees: did that ever work? the original bug (153768) is ancient17:14
pittikees: so, I don't think we'll ever be able to automount esata drives which are already plugged in during boot, but I think we can do something in udisks for stuff that got plugged in at runtime17:15
psusidoes it matter when it is detected?  either way it should show on the places menu shouldn't it?17:17
tseliotKeybuk: any ideas on this? bug #53243617:17
ubottuLaunchpad bug 532436 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "nvidia driver sometime does not load at boot" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53243617:17
tseliotor can I assign it to plymouth?17:17
keespitti: yes, worked in jaunty and karmic fine17:18
keespitti: right, I'm plugging it in at run time17:18
pittikees: I'd really be interested in a devkit-disks --monitor-detail and udevadm monitor -e --udev logs from karmic when you plug in an esata drive17:18
pittiI don't see how this should ever have worked, TBH, but maybe there was something funky17:19
Keybuktseliot: sounds like a kernel issue17:21
Keybuk"driver does not load" => linux17:21
tseliotKeybuk: driver loads if plymouth is uninstalled => plymouth, no?17:22
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Keybukstill linux17:22
tseliotKeybuk: can you comment on that in the bug report, please?17:23
Keybukif it's the glx driver, it's in the right place17:23
keespitti: hm, will that work off a karmic liveCD?17:23
pittikees: yes, it should17:23
tseliotKeybuk: ok, thanks17:23
keespitti: okay, I'll give it a shot.17:23
pittikees: cheers17:23
Keybukall he's done by uninstalling plymouth is change a race17:23
Keybukwhat he's describing is "driver doesn't load sometimes, but does if I restart sometimes, add sleep, etc."17:24
Keybukmore to the point17:24
KeybukThe problem is still happening at random, but not at frequently since I uninstalled plymouth.17:24
Keybuk nvidia-current, 195.36.03, 2.6.32-15-generic, i686: installed17:24
Keybuk nvidia-173, 173.14.22, 2.6.32-15-generic, i686: installed17:24
Keybukhe should stop hating freedom and use nouveau <g>17:24
* psusi has been very pleased with the mesa drivers on his radeon these days17:25
tseliotKeybuk: oh, I misread what he said. You're definitely right17:28
* tseliot -> off for the night17:28
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psusiKeybuk: my initial tests using e2defrag to pack the ureadahead file list at the start of the disk showed a few seconds shaved off the boot time and a moderate increase in peak disk throughput under karmic... need to test on lucid next since karmic appeared to still spend a lot of time doing things other than read the disk during boot17:33
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pittislangasek, cjwatson, Keybuk: so, I completely read bug 445852 now, including the upstream linux/atasmart bugs; I have some things I'd like to try now, but given how much this wreaks havoc, what would you think about disabling dk-disks-probe-ata-smart in the udev rules for now in a karmic update? (then people can turn it on again if they want, but it'd be on the safe side); we only use it for17:38
pittimonitoring SMART status and failures (which would then stop working, of course)17:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 445852 in libatasmart "devkit-disks-probe-ata-smart causes HSM Violations on SSD, and potential hardware death" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44585217:38
pittibut at least we can investigate and test solutions in lucid a bit more thoroughly17:39
bdrungwhere is the best place for asking question about developing a C library?17:40
slangasekpitti: that sounds suitable for SRU to me17:41
pittiwe could then consider re-enabling it in karmic later on, once we have a suitable fix in libatasmart17:41
Keybukslangasek: btw, you still haven't sent your plymouth enter patch upstream17:42
slangasekKeybuk: right - what's the recommended method of forwarding it to upstream?17:42
Keybukslangasek: git format-patch usually17:42
slangasekoh hey, life on #plymouth, that's different17:42
slangasekKeybuk: and send it where?17:43
slangasekthanks, that was the bit I was missing :)17:43
slangasekok, will send that off today/tomorrow17:43
KeybukI have a couple of bug fixes to send too17:44
* Keybuk wonders what the right term for a double-brown-paper-bag is17:44
slangasek"double-bagging" doesn't quite encompass it17:46
Keybukhey, if it keeps you safe ...17:46
pittislangasek: uploaded to karmic-proposed queue; do you have a minute to review? (it's just commenting out the udev rule, should be fairly safe)17:55
slangasekpitti: ok, checking17:55
slangasekpitti: should there be a task on this bug against devicekit-disks for tracking?18:02
pittislangasek: there is18:03
pittislangasek: but for karmic only18:03
pittislangasek: for lucid I'd rather fix it in libatasmart, and dk-disks doesn't exist in lucid18:03
slangasekpitti: oh, so there is; having trouble seeing it through all those declines, heh18:03
pittiyeah, smart probing was new in karmic, so I declined all the ealier requests18:03
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slangasekpitti: ok, accepted18:05
pittislangasek: thanks18:05
slangasekyes, it would be nice if people wouldn't randomly nominate bugs for series where it didn't exist18:05
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keescjwatson: heh, we collided on bug 547016.18:08
ubottuLaunchpad bug 547016 in gcc-4.4 "gcc optimization problem related to varargs" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54701618:08
Keba1hi there18:17
Keba1how many bug jams have been partipicated (including the one starting tomorrow)?18:17
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_lemsx1_launchpad appears to be having problems? I can't report a bug18:30
ScottK_lemsx1_: #launchpad is the place to complain about that.18:30
_lemsx1_should I post error IDs and stuff like that here or this is not the right place to talk about launchpad :-)18:31
_lemsx1_ScottK: ah, thanks18:31
keespitti: hrm, karmic didn't automount either.  I wonder if I'm remembering this from my laptop where the drive is USB.  trying on jaunty now...18:33
pittikees: jaunty had hal, and that didn't see them as hotpluggable either18:35
pittithe bug was originally filed against hal18:35
keespitti: yeah, jaunty doesn't even see it appear.18:38
pittikees: so it's evolution in the sense that karmic sees it but requires a password, lucid sees it and requires no password18:39
keeswell, it does require the password -- I just still had the session.keyring on disk.  ;)18:39
pittikees: well, the encryption password, yes18:39
keesso, I simply misremembered since this drive has both eSATA and USB interfaces18:39
pittikees: I mean the policykit authorization18:39
pittikees: I'll talk to davidz if he agrees on considering such devices non-system internal if they appeared much later than the system boot18:40
keesoh, okay.  well, lucid is clearly better than before since the drive is there, and if I click on it, it prompts for the encryption password.  it just doesn't _auto_ mount it.18:40
keeswhich I can live with.18:40
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* psusi wonders why gparted stopped seeing his dmraid disks in lucid18:57
* ccheney thinks apt-get should be a bit more verbose on downloading new multi tar sources19:41
ccheneyit currently says stuff like the following:19:41
ccheneyGet:2 http://approx/ubuntu/ lucid/main openoffice.org 1:3.2.0-4ubuntu1 (tar) [14.6MB]19:41
ccheneyGet:3 http://approx/ubuntu/ lucid/main openoffice.org 1:3.2.0-4ubuntu1 (tar) [13.2MB]19:41
YokoZarIs there another mesa update coming soon?  It's been a while and there's a "fix committed" but I'm waiting on19:43
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crimsunNCommander: please provide the necessary amixer output for bug 451635 to be fixed20:00
ubottuLaunchpad bug 451635 in alsa-utils "alsamixer defaults need adjustment on dove boards" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/45163520:00
crimsunI'm currently blocked on someone with access to the hardware to actually provide the info in the bug report...20:01
NCommandercrimsun: ah, I got it right here20:03
iscapehi there, tangogps and probably some other apps broke due to the upgrade of gpsd to 2.92. anything i can do to fix this?20:05
iscapei am the dev of tangogps20:05
NCommandercrimsun: attached, does that help?20:06
NCommander(oh, amixer, I might have given you the wrong file)20:06
iscapedebian has a fix already in, but it needs to propagate20:06
ScottKiscape: If you can file bug(s) with patch(es) to fix the problem, we can get them sponsored into Ubuntu.20:07
ScottKiscape: Or if just syncing an update from Debian makes more sense, that's good to know too.20:07
crimsunNCommander: yeah, that asoundrc snippet is not useful, unfortunately. Specifically what will help is your specific mixer settings for all devices.20:07
iscapeScottK: just syncing20:07
NCommandercrimsun: ugh, I might need to do a clean reinstall, I *really* mucked around with my setup. How can I dump amixer settings?20:08
iscapeI'll file a bug against tangogps then. do i need to put some keyword in to trigger syncing?20:08
crimsunNCommander: also, that user-specific asoundrc bypasses PA completely - the implication is that any verification you've done won't apply at all to PA, which I presume is part of the equation if PA is being used20:09
crimsunNCommander: amixer > txt20:09
ScottKiscape: You needs to say it needs syncing and then subsrcribe the ubuntu-sponsors team to the bug for review.20:09
NCommandercrimsun: I removed pulseaudio to get sound working20:10
crimsunNCommander: booting from a live image and dumping amixer after you've made whatever necessary changes will help, too20:10
NCommandercrimsun: I've not been able ot get sound working short of removing pulse :-/20:10
crimsunNCommander: err, there are two separate parts, though the bug report doesn't make that clear20:11
crimsunthat bug seems titled to deal only with alsa-utils portion20:11
NCommandercrimsun: ok, what do you need specifically, I *really* want this fixed :-)20:11
crimsunNCommander: what I've requested above regarding amixer20:11
NCommandercrimsun: I may need some helpin trying to get this to work, I am not had any luck with ALSA configurations in the past :-/20:12
crimsunNCommander: which part specifically? 'cat /proc/asound/cards' should show the specific card, which you can then use with 'amixer' or 'amixer -Dhw:X' (where X is denoted in brackets from /proc/asound/cards)20:14
NCommandercrimsun: does that change the default? The problem is that audio tries to go out something that doesn't appear to be pinned out on our SoC20:14
crimsunNCommander: amixer by itself (with no addition parameters beyond -Dfoo) does not change the default20:15
NCommandercrimsun: right, the problem her eis I just need the default changed (and MAYBE HW switch, not sure yet)20:15
crimsunNCommander: are you implying that hw:0,0 is not correct but that hw:0,2 is?20:16
NCommandercrimsun: yes, I am20:16
crimsunugh, that's a completely different bug :(20:16
NCommandercrimsun: welcome to the world of ARM sound20:17
crimsunok, I've opened an alsa-lib task for the necessary addition20:17
NCommandercrimsun: your santiy may be left at the door20:17
GrueMasterNCommander: crimsun:  Thought I'd pop over and see what trouble I can cause with dove as well.20:17
NCommandercrimsun: there are two different sound out devices on this board that hang off DoveDB. Analog Out, and Headphone Out20:18
crimsunNCommander: so, in short, for your particular Dove board (and it isn't Y0, I presume?), the control has nothing to do with ...20:18
NCommandercrimsun: pulse sees these, but I can't get either to work through pavucontrol20:18
NCommandercrimsun: this effects Y0->X020:18
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NCommanderWe only care about X0 however20:18
crimsunNCommander: can you please attach your amixer dump?20:19
NCommandercrimsun: stand by, I'm rebooting off a clean livefs so you can see how it is "out of the box"20:19
crimsunNCommander: thanks20:19
GrueMasterNCommander: You are not entirely accurate with your HW description.  There are two devices, DoveDB and mv_i2s1.20:21
NCommanderasac__: *sigh*, looks like something we broke20:21
NCommanderasac__: works properly with pre-compiled Marvell kernel20:21
GrueMasterThe DoveDB has 5.1 on the RCA jacks, and a separate HP & Mic jack.20:21
NCommanderer, EWRONGCHANNEL20:22
asacNCommander: bcc_test works?20:22
NCommanderasac: no, the dmesg isn't crack20:22
asactry bmm_test20:22
asacnot sure if i put that in the -dev package20:22
asacotherwise just spin locally and run20:22
crimsunGrueMaster: does X0 still need 'Line HP Swap' unmuted?20:23
GrueMasteryes, for the HP jack to work.20:23
GrueMasterIt is a simple toggle.  No volume control.20:24
crimsunok, that change is queued already in the linked bzr branch. I'm waiting to see if anything else needs to be set for alsa-utils. Now, does the default device also need to be set to hw:0,2?20:24
crimsunfor reference, that's the conversation above with NCommander and in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-lib/+bug/451635/comments/1220:25
GrueMasterNot sure.  Where would I set that? (note - it's been a while since I worked on alsa).20:25
ubottuUbuntu bug 451635 in alsa-utils "alsamixer defaults need adjustment on dove boards" [High,Confirmed]20:25
crimsunGrueMaster: NCommander mentioned that he had to create an ~/.asoundrc with the contents in https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-lib/+bug/451635/comments/1220:26
iscapeScottK: bug filed - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tangogps/+bug/54722820:26
ubottuUbuntu bug 547228 in tangogps "need syncing for compatibility with gpsd 2.92" [Undecided,Confirmed]20:26
GrueMasterI'm looking at it.20:26
NCommandercrimsun: booting up clean now20:26
GrueMastercrimsun: Here's the amixer output.  http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/401357/20:27
crimsunGrueMaster: right, so that's 1) without ~/.asoundrc or /etc/asound.conf, and 2) muted, correct?20:30
crimsun(at least the latter is implied by 'Line HP Swap' being muted)20:30
GrueMastercorrect an all accounts.20:30
crimsunGrueMaster: great. And unmuting 'Line HP Swap' results in audible sound through the hp jack next to the serial port, correct?20:30
GrueMasterI am currently getting audio through the rear RCA jacks (which would be the normal speaker out on an Intel board).20:31
crimsunGrueMaster: all right, so which is considered the "default" desired output jack?20:31
GrueMasterIt also mutes the rear "front speakers" ports.20:31
NCommandercrimsun: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40135920:31
GrueMasterThat I don't know.  I guess the hp since most people in the group don't have rca to 3.5mm hp converters like I do.20:32
crimsunasac: any guidance on ^^ ?20:33
NCommanderGrueMaster: I can test here, I have a TV at Lex I can plug the dove in20:33
GrueMasterNCommander: I can test all plugs.20:33
GrueMaster(and have been since Y0).20:33
NCommandercrimsun: so does that help at all?20:38
crimsunplars: ping, which of the rear rca and hp jacks should be considered 'default'?20:38
NCommandercrimsun: there's only one HP jack20:38
crimsunNCommander: yes, it corroborates GrueMaster's earlier statement here and in the other bug report20:38
ccheneygrr checking extracted OOo into bzr takes forever :-\20:39
plarscrimsun: right, only one hp jack, not sure on the RCA, I don't have proper cables to check those  but I know GrueMaster has looked at it before20:39
crimsunplars: ok, so the necessary change for that on the alsa task is already queued, and I'll upload that momentarily. It doesn't look to need an alsa-lib task, then.20:40
GrueMastercrimsun: The board layout is "similar" to a standard 3stack, except instead of 3 mini plugs in the back, there are 3 pairs of RCA jacks for Front, Surround, and Center/LFE20:40
crimsunGrueMaster: ah20:41
asaccrimsun: so you got all info you needed?20:46
asacdoko_: does icetea need to link against libxul.so?20:46
crimsunasac: presuming that the hp jack is the desired default, yes20:46
asacdoko_: maybe we should try to use mozilla-plugin.pc now that they redid stuff for 3.6?20:46
asaccrimsun: yeah. i think thats a reasonable choice. thanks for your help.20:47
NCommandercrimsun: if you have a patch today, I'd be glad to test it20:50
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crimsunNCommander: I just uploaded alsa-utils 1.0.22-0ubuntu4 for that20:56
crimsunNCommander: note that it's effected on a fresh install/live image boot. Otherwise you'll need to nuke /var/lib/alsa/asound.state first20:57
NCommandercrimsun: WIN21:00
GrueMastercrimsun: what change to asound.state was made?21:01
GrueMasterJust for quick sanity testing.21:02
iscapeScottK: thanks21:03
ScottKiscape: You're welcome.  Thanks for letting us know.21:03
iscapeScottK: it was an ubuntu user who notified me :)21:04
crimsunGrueMaster: I don't have a machine to generate one, but the value for that switch should be true instead of false21:05
GrueMastergot it.  That's what I thought.21:05
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pittikees: wrt. bug 542372, are you okay with python3.1 in main? (it doesn't seem very security prone to me)21:32
ubottuLaunchpad bug 542372 in python3.1 "MIR for basic python3 stack" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54237221:32
keespitti: bleh.  why so late?  what needs it?21:36
keespitti: python gets a fair share of updates, so having lots of copies gets unhappy.21:37
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robert_ancellmdke, do you know about the state of gnome-user-docs?  Should it be updated to 2.29.2 or does it need patching for Ubuntu?22:31
nixternalis jockey broken for everyone?22:46
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psusiKeybuk,  in bug #460906 it seems that you and Kees Cook are saying that the real fs should have the link so won't change, but they don't... I made a snapshot of my root and when I rebooted, was running off the snapshot instead of the original and this is not supposed to happen23:05
ubottuLaunchpad bug 460906 in lvm2 "disk/by-uuid/foo symlink points to snapshot rather than the origin" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46090623:05
doko_asac: $ ldd /usr/lib/jvm/java-6-openjdk/jre/lib/i386/IcedTeaPlugin.so |grep libx.*found23:10
doko_libxul.so => not found23:10
doko_libxpcom.so => not found23:10
asac__doko_: you tried initially to build with just mozilla-plugin, right?23:13
doko_asac: I think so. it's in the configure.ac (or acinclude.ac)23:14
psusisoren, actually seems you said you were going to fix this... but still is doing the wrong thing in lucid23:19
snow_ruHow can the developer  add his program to ubuntu repository so that other people can use it ?23:52
micahgsnow_ru: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/NewPackages23:53
snow_rumicahg, should all packages in MAIN be compatible with 64Bit system ?23:57
RAOFAlmost certainly, yes.23:57
nixternalsuperm1: b43 or sta for the mini 10v?23:57
micahgsnow_ru: doesn't work like that...main means supported free software23:58
RAOFFailing to build on amd64, or failing to work on amd64 is generally indicative of stupid code :)23:58
snow_ruit implies that the package may not work for 64 bit system ;)23:58
snow_ruRAOF, built and worked are two different things ;)23:59

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