[00:00] * dutchie will file a needs-packaging for ccicons and hope that lucid+1 has all the relevant packages [00:00] night anyway [00:00] g'night. === jussi01 is now known as Guest4656 [02:32] screenshots are looking goofd! [02:32] good* [02:36] Are they in the PDF and everything? [02:36] yep [02:36] hey godbyk, do you think it'd be worth putting a thin border around each screenshot? [02:37] Update the builds site! And automate it! :( [02:37] the one of the firefox looks a bit weird because it just blends with the page [02:37] haha [02:37] Hmm.. maybe, I dunno. [02:37] I haven't really looked at 'em yet. [02:37] okay [02:37] they look pretty good [02:37] compiling now. [02:37] you'll have to eventually go through one by one and make sure the alignment and stuff is all good [02:37] I know that ubuntujenkins uploaded a TON of 'em today. [02:37] some of the captions have overlapped margin notes and things [02:37] yeah there are quite a few in there now :P [02:38] yeah, that'll be another last-minute thing. [02:38] so did you work out how to keep the descriptions from the TODO commands? [02:38] I think I may just make a \quickshot command or something. [02:38] I haven't really decided yet. [02:39] okay [02:39] The screenshot caption and the quickshot description will be two different things. [02:39] they will be [02:39] we're just on 500 bug reports now btw [02:39] And the \screenshot command will print a TODO-like box if it can't find the file. So we can go ahead and start using those instead (and writing good captions). [02:39] nice! [02:40] I made some global edits earlier today. They might have fixed a few of those bugs. [02:40] things like capitalizing Internet, fixing some quotation marks, and other random stuff. [02:40] yeah I saw some of those [02:41] I was just digging through some docs looking at how to fix some other issues. [02:41] is there any latex spellchecker thing we can use? [02:41] Btw, it looks like I should be able to tell \url to *not* break after a colon. I'll give it a shot sometime here. [02:41] nice [02:42] aspell or ispell or one of 'em has a -t option for parsing tex files. [02:42] it's not the smartest parser in the world, but it'll skip over most the common latex commands. [02:42] worth running it? [02:42] maybe. [02:42] I'll give it a try a bit later. [02:42] okay [02:42] let me know how you go [02:43] will do. [02:43] I'll be back in a little bit. [02:43] also, i changed some subsections to sections so they'd appear in the contents [02:43] Gonna grab something to eat. [02:43] k [02:43] Cool. [02:43] I added the glossary to the toc -- just for you! [02:43] :) [02:44] (actually, I was surprised it wasn't there. turns out you have to pass the 'toc' option to the glossaries package. ) [02:44] anyway, brb. [02:46] kk [02:51] Hey humphreybc: I just rearranged the order of nautilus section a bit [02:51] hey [02:51] oh? [02:51] Makes more sense to have navigating first [02:51] then opening files [02:52] then creating folders [02:52] then copy paste [02:52] Kinda least complex to more complex [02:52] Is that ok? [02:52] yea [02:53] sweet [02:53] sounds good [02:53] 500 bugs, wow [02:53] there is a severe lack of margin notes in the "Working with Ubuntu" chapter [02:53] Yeah i noticed that [02:53] I've added a couple this morning [02:53] Tonight when i go through it I'm going to see if I can take a lot of stuff and make them margin notes [02:53] Ok cool. Make sure I've pushed before you do so we don't double up [02:54] yep [02:54] have you seen all the screenshots? [02:54] yeah they are looking good! [02:54] Except are blurry on my screen - i'm not sure why [02:54] it could be evince? [02:55] yep [02:55] it's evince [02:55] they're not blurry in adobe reader or when printed [02:55] what do you use in ubuntu? adobe? [02:55] evince [02:55] ah ok [02:55] adobe isn't packaged for lucid yet [02:55] are you still on karmic? [02:55] yep, but i've got lucid in a virtualbox so i can refer to it as i go [02:56] ok [02:56] except i just broke it trying to install guest additions [02:56] lol [02:56] hehe [02:56] guest additions don't support lucid yet :P [02:56] btw, when you come across screenshots, the captions will need to be looked at [02:56] yeah i just learnt that the hard way! [02:56] ok [02:57] that will probably be the last thing i come back to once bugs are done [02:57] yep [02:57] are screenshot captions included in the writing freeze? [02:57] yes [02:57] they get translated too [02:57] ah yes of course [02:58] Did you see that post from the team translating in Tamil? [02:58] nope? [02:58] about the photo? [02:58] Hmm.. not sure. I'll dig up the link [02:59] http://kanchilug.wordpress.com/2010/03/21/translating-ubuntu-manual-into-tamil/ [02:59] you might have seen it [03:00] nope haven't seen it, looks awesome! reading now [03:00] (those guys are hardcore btw) [03:00] what country is tamil spoken in? [03:00] wow [03:00] Umm i'm not really sure - i think it's called kanchipuram ? [03:00] that is awesome [03:01] actually that's probably the city [03:01] wow [03:01] yeah i know - pen and paper! [03:01] I wrote to them and said they might want to wait till writing freeze before doing too much more [03:02] especially if they are doing a lot by hand [03:02] back.. with banana bread. [03:02] btw - any bugs on the spreadsheet that we won't have time to address till next version, put 10.10 in the 'fixed' column [03:03] that way we can keep track of them so they don't get forgotten [03:06] I have a ta.po file for the Tamil translation, but it doesn't have any translations yet. [03:06] Hope everything is going well there. [03:06] yeah same, they seem to be very keen [03:06] They might be waiting till writing freeze [03:07] I think I suggested they wait till writing freeze [03:07] that is so cool though [03:07] ok [03:07] just checking [03:07] I wonder if there are other groups like this translating the manual [03:08] godbyk: Just added a link to www.ubuntu-manual.org in the welcome section of prologue [03:08] 'bout time someone did! [03:08] * godbyk glares at humphreybc. [03:08] hehe [03:08] huh? [03:09] it was already there [03:09] under contact details [03:09] ah - hang on i'll show you what i did [03:09] I fixed some bugs in your 'perfect' chapters, too, humphreybc. Bugs that I even told you about. :) [03:09] .. [03:09] such as? [03:09] I don't remember; I'd have to glance at the bzr logs for today again. [03:10] maybe capitalizing Internet or serial commas or somesuch. [03:10] lol ok [03:11] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/716997/Prologue.png [03:11] oh right [03:11] sure [03:12] \o/ [03:12] hehe [03:13] godbyk: did you say you had a way to fix the web address breaking at the : in the welcome section? [03:13] I think so, yes. [03:13] ok great [03:13] I haven't coded it yet, though. [03:13] no worries [03:13] And that may cause even worse line breaks, who knows? :) [03:14] I need to totally refactor my tufte-book code sometime soon. [03:15] Tamil is spoken in a province of India [03:15] ah ok [03:16] btw, i need your mugshots people [03:16] that's right i forgot [03:18] Here you go [03:18] http://dl.dropbox.com/u/716997/n612706380_207551_8825.jpg [03:19] LOL [03:19] you're an idiot [03:19] hehe [03:20] you think it's usable? [03:20] Wow.. that's *exactly* how I pictured you in my mind, jaminday! [03:20] lol [03:22] hey godbyk: remind me how i search through the entire manual for a phrase [03:23] never mind, evince is actually pretty good at searching [03:25] if you want to search the .tex files, you can use 'grep "my phrase" -ir */*.tex' from the ubuntu-manual/ dir. [03:25] the -i is for case-insensitive searching, and -r is recursive. [03:25] ah cool [03:25] i'll have to remember that [03:28] humphreybc: In the prologue you said the linux is THE most popular unix-based operating system [03:28] is this correct? [03:39] yes [03:39] even more so than mac os x? [03:39] well on servers yea [03:40] touché [03:40] hmm... [03:40] i would say that linux overall has a larger market share than OS X [03:40] you can chuck the "most" back in there if you like [03:40] yeah i think i will - most people reading this probably will be desktop users [03:41] so it could be confusing [03:41] kk [03:41] "and is currently one of the most popular..." [03:41] sure [03:42] Hey who is in charge of glossary [03:43] nisshh [03:44] Ok. I'll leave any bugs that mention glossary for him to look at then [03:44] yup [03:52] right off to class [05:21] godbyk: ping [05:21] jaminday: Hey. [05:21] hey - do you know what the 'power' button in lucid is actually called [05:21] ie where you logout shutdown etc [05:21] is the the session management button? [05:22] *it [05:24] I'm not sure what it's called now, actually. [05:24] right-clicking and selecting About just mentions the indicator applet. [05:24] hmm ok. [05:24] but that's what the power button thing is sitting in. [05:24] I could call it the session management button, or otherwise keep it as "Power" button [05:25] what does the docs team call it? [05:26] I've been looking but cant seem to find it anywhere [05:26] let me poke around a little. [05:26] ok. Let me know if you find anything. [05:32] I think it's the fast-user-switch-applet. [05:32] but that's a crappy name [05:32] ooh awkward nam [05:32] *name [05:32] Maybe we could do the inline image like you suggested [05:33] and just call it the "Power" button as it's descriptive [05:34] help.ubuntu.com didn't appear to mention anything about how to shutdown your computer. [05:35] yeah i couldn't find anything on logout or restart either [05:37] where are the docs that the docs team writes? [05:37] it's a good thing we're writing a manual 'cause I can't find anything! [05:37] hehe [05:38] I'll leave as is for now then. [05:38] Might talk to ubuntujenkins about putting in an inline image instead of the description [05:39] yeah, there are a few others places where displaying the icon (instead of just describing it) would be handy. [05:39] we'll need to collect the icons from the default theme. [05:39] c'mon! [05:40] a google search for "ubuntu how do I shutdown my computer?" was useless [05:40] way down the list, I found a yahoo answers page about it. [05:40] the answer was: [05:40] "Click the button at the top right of the screen." [05:40] hehe [05:41] Well, it is a little cryptic. But less so in Lucid, I think? [05:41] Yeah lucid is a little more obvious i think [05:41] In Karmic, that I should click my user name to shut down, is about as helpful as good ol' windows "click start to stop". [05:41] hehe that's right! [05:41] right [05:41] I like the new icon. [05:42] same [05:42] just not sure what its official name is. :) [05:42] It's the same icon as most computers have on their power switches, yea? [05:43] yep [05:44] So maybe call it something like that, "power switch button" and specify its location, "top right corner". [05:44] just call it the power button may be confusing the icon with the physical power switch, though. [05:44] (though pushing the power switch should be fine, too.) [05:44] This is what it says currently [05:44] When you are finished exploring, restart your computer by clicking the ``Power'' button in the top right corner of your screen (circle with a line through the top) and then select Restart [05:45] Screenshot with an arrow pointing at it? :) [05:46] But can't really get more specific than "top right corner". [05:46] yeah that's right [05:46] There's nothing that is more to the top right than that button. [05:46] godbyk suggested just a small image of the icon in-text might be the go as well [05:47] to replace the (circle with line through the top) bit [05:48] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_symbol#Definitions [05:49] is it the top right corner for RTL languages? [05:49] My laptop uses the standby symbol on the on-off switch. Now I'm gonna have OCD itches about that. :( [05:49] hehe [05:50] I think it's used a lot now for on-off rather than standby [05:51] godbyk: thats a good question === Guest4656 is now known as jussi01 [06:54] morning [06:55] ubuntujenkins: morning. [07:09] well if humphreybc wants the wubi in different language we need someone with windows 7 ultimate and they only support 35 languages [07:14] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-is-awesome.html [07:16] humphreybc: screenshots left http://paste.ubuntu.com/400996/ can we scrap the last two? [07:17] the last one is a maybe i think [07:17] the GRUB screen would be good [07:17] we can scrap the second to last one, number 9 [07:17] does grub show it in different langauges? [07:18] good number 9 gone [07:18] I tried to get a shot of Rhythmbox but my Lucid install wasn't letting my create a new user and then Rbox wouldn't recognize my CD drive and uh [07:18] oh good point, not sure [07:18] maybe scrap GRUB one as well [07:18] if it only dies english then it might be easyier as we can include it in all of the manuals [07:18] *does [07:19] ok thanks for trying i will try and get a cd from some one. [07:19] if you want the wubi in different language we need someone with windows 7 ultimate and they only support 35 languages [07:19] I can get the english one now i have found a wubi that works [07:19] we only need wubi in english [07:20] not going to bother getting that in multiple languages [07:20] will it go in all languages still? [07:20] y4ep [07:20] right I wil do that one today [07:20] awesome [07:20] the shots are looking great in the manual :) [07:21] I know I just have the hard ones left [07:21] lol [07:21] Red_HamsterX: how's quickshot going? when can we test it? [07:21] are there any others that you think we don't need? [07:21] total is now 53 [07:22] what's number 6? [07:22] creating a day event in evolution [07:22] "visual example of adding an event in the day view by typing" [07:22] hm [07:22] the description needs to specify that it's actually in evolution [07:23] It will do, number 5 is questionable as we need to give people an e-mail address to enter [07:23] true [07:23] scrap that then [07:23] wooo! [07:23] the messaging menu isn't fundamental [07:24] you won't get IMs if you don't know how to handle the messaging menu, though, right? [07:24] you don't need to do anything with the messaging menu [07:24] it works with empathy by default [07:24] plus i think empathy uses the notification system [07:24] as well [07:26] how do you change the language in the log in screen? [07:26] no idea [07:26] * humphreybc has only ever needed to use english ubuntu [07:27] I can get away with one screenshot for the whole manaul if i take it before selecting a user, owever it will have "thur" in the bottom right [07:27] as in thusday [07:27] that's not the end of the world [07:28] good, virtual box isn't playing ball so doing only one makes it easyier [07:28] kk [07:50] http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/original-thriller.mp3 [07:50] An avant garde tune I wrote for a couple of cellos, a viola and a violin in high school [07:50] first time i've listened to it again in like 2 years, i think it sounds pretty neat! [07:51] I especially love the part at 2:26, i remember i thought it was gold when I wrote it [08:10] oh yeah, ubuntujenkins [08:10] http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-1004-installation-slideshow.html [08:26] humphreybc: I will redo it later [08:26] kk neat [08:27] I thought there was a new one [08:27] should hit Lucid sometime next week [08:28] ok I wil keep checking [08:34] * humphreybc is fixing up the blueprints [08:36] lol my mate whilst drunk changed his computer password and now he can't think of it :-P [08:37] lol [08:37] that's a dumb thing to do [08:38] Its so funny he is the peson who has windows 7 and is providing screenshots [08:38] haha [08:40] humphreybc: have we any idea if the default theme is going toi [08:40] change? [08:40] will find out next week, Ivanka is just double checking with Mark [08:41] I hoep not so i con't have to do the screenshot again but I think white is the better default [08:42] lol [08:42] Ivanka is pushing for the dark one [08:42] So it will probably stay as it is at the moment [08:42] but i'm honestly not sure [08:42] yey [08:44] let's see if we can get all the bugs fixed in time for beta, https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+milestone/beta-release [09:06] yikes! [09:06] flood me with bug emails, why doncha! :) [09:07] hehehehe [09:07] * humphreybc gets another few thousand karma [09:39] where are those mugshots everyone!? [09:40] what kind of mugshot are you wanting? [09:40] one where you're happy to be working on UMP [09:40] grinning, even [09:40] I don't smile. [09:40] Ever. [09:40] :) [09:41] well now you have to [09:45] just pull a silly face, if you must [10:04] come on jaminday, cjohnston, godbyk, TommyBrunn, Red_HamsterX, vish I need mugshots! [10:05] Heh.. it's 5 a.m. here. You'll have to wait 'til I've had my beauty sleep! [10:05] okay okay [10:11] haha [10:11] we had two people deactivate their membership in the team after that large amount of spam [10:14] nice [10:15] to anyone who has contributed to the ubuntu manual project: thank you. this is exactly what i needed to help convert my nigh-computer-illiterate friends into ubuntu users [10:15] :) [10:16] humphreybc: What do you need the mugshots for? [10:16] TommyBrunn: it's a surprise [10:16] How exciting. :P [10:16] I know! [10:16] I need to collect as many as I can [10:16] so email me yours asap [10:17] Alright. I'm not exactly my most charming self at the moment (I've managed to get sick again), but I'll see what I can do. [10:17] okay [10:17] any photo of you smiling that's at least 800 x 600 is good [10:19] Mmm, I've managed to get a blister the size of a kiwi bird on my lower lip, so I'll be sure to show that off. [10:20] lol, don't you have any photos of you already lying around? [10:20] on facebook or something? [10:20] Not on facebook, I don't think, but I'll see what I can find. [10:20] ok [10:23] godbyk, you wanna run the build script again and update the draft? [10:24] I s'pose [10:24] :) [10:42] * humphreybc didn't know that Google used Ubuntu so extensively [10:53] who made the awesome progress bar on the website? [10:54] no clue. I just assumed it was you. [10:54] must have been daker [10:56] Speaking of which, does anyone know why the countdown timer is so freaking slow all of a sudden? [10:56] It takes like 5 seconds for it to even start on my machine. [10:56] slow? [10:56] oh right [10:56] yeah same here [10:59] Oh, I think I know. [10:59] I would guess that it's because Google Analytics is a slow beast, and the countdown timer doesn't start until the page is fully loaded. [11:01] new builds up: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/ [11:01] draft is being pushed as we speak. [11:02] Wow, 100% of the Bengali edition seems to be translated. When did that happen? [11:02] plus, the countdown timer's javascript is in-line, not loaded during the header. [11:03] it's not. it's a bad po file, I think [11:03] in any case, postats fails when dealing with it. [11:06] Italian? [11:06] same. [11:06] The italian one seems a bit off as well. It's listed as 100%, but I'm reading it now, and only some parts of it are in italian [11:06] Oh, I see. [11:06] awh [11:06] $ postats po/it.po [11:06] Error: "potool po/it.po -ft -s" failed [11:06] * humphreybc cannot wait to see a fully translated manual [11:07] Spanish is getting there. [11:08] * ubuntujenkins curses all the bug mail from humphreybc [11:08] hehehe [11:09] I'm a bit surprised at how little of the text has been translated. Generally, software projects (especially those hosted on Launchpad) are translated very quickly without ever even asking for help in the first place. But I guess it's a lot harder to translate 150-some pages of text than it is to translate 50 words to be used in some application. [11:09] especially when those 160+ pages are ever changing [11:09] True. [11:09] I think we'll see the pace pick up after the writing freeze [11:09] I'm planning on doing a big push/campaign to get translators moving [11:11]