| JontheEchidna | nixternal: sire, wouldst thou grant a wish for a UI freeze exception? bug 527606 | 00:03 |
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| ubottu | Launchpad bug 527606 in kpackagekit "Rollback button should be hidden and not disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527606 | 00:03 |
| * JontheEchidna counts fingers | 00:04 | |
| nixternal | nope | 00:04 |
| nixternal | ACK'd :p | 00:04 |
| JontheEchidna | lol | 00:04 |
| nixternal | trying to figure out, which driver is better for my mini 10v, the broadcom b43 or sta driver | 00:04 |
| nixternal | nobody seems to know | 00:04 |
| JontheEchidna | dantti: ^Shouldn't be any problem with that button being hidden, since it's not enabled atm, right? | 00:04 |
| JontheEchidna | nixternal: (un)fortunately I'm not an expert on proprietary vs unproprietary wireless drivers... | 00:06 |
| nixternal | yeah, me either | 00:06 |
| JontheEchidna | I could moan about proprietary vs free nvidia drivers all day, though | 00:06 |
| JontheEchidna | they both suck in their own little ways | 00:06 |
| nixternal | the STA drivers I know work, and work fairly decently...however I can't scan with the STA drivers | 00:06 |
| nixternal | I guess I could try b43, see how it works, and if I don't like it, roll it back | 00:06 |
| verbalshadow | nixternal: i have had very good experiences with b43 worked well for b,g networks | 00:10 |
| nixternal | thanks verbalshadow | 00:11 |
| nixternal | i guess you can install drivers with jockey-text, only enable/disable them | 00:11 |
| verbalshadow | i always just use jockey-kde but text should work | 00:12 |
| JontheEchidna | -kde is broken atm | 00:13 |
| verbalshadow | ahh | 00:13 |
| nixternal | maco: did you ever figure out your wifi issue? my netbook will not connect to a damn thing | 01:24 |
| nixternal | even with nm-applet, which always worked for me | 01:24 |
| nixternal | well shit, nm-applet just worked | 01:29 |
| * nixternal tries knetworkmanager now | 01:29 | |
| nixternal | wtf, so there is a network somewhere near by that is stronger than my own network in the house | 01:30 |
| nixternal | my signal is 80%, this other networks signal is 100% | 01:30 |
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| jjesse | my netbook on lucid is very #%#%#%# so i'm going to reload it w/ the beta | 01:42 |
| jjesse | what's the name of the app for creating a live usb drive? | 01:44 |
| JontheEchidna | jjesse: usb-creator-kde | 01:47 |
| jjesse | why does it appear some cleaner/prettier when run w/ kdesudo? | 01:50 |
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| jjesse | why can't i get usb-creator-kde to work, am i retarted? | 01:59 |
| verbalshadow | jjesse: let me try i need to make a new usb install anyway | 02:01 |
| jjesse | i have a blank usb drive however i can't create or format it | 02:02 |
| verbalshadow | jjesse: last time i tried it would work for me either, but unetbootin did | 02:02 |
| verbalshadow | umm wouldn't | 02:02 |
| jjesse | wow unetbootin works fine | 02:04 |
| verbalshadow | it is copying files for me so i will let i a couple of minutes | 02:04 |
| jjesse | hrmm unetbootin just gives me a menu but doesn't actually boot | 02:09 |
| verbalshadow | jjesse: usb-creator-kde seems to work for me, have not booted it yet though | 02:12 |
| jjesse | hrmm redownloading my isos to see if there is something wrong | 02:16 |
| ScottK | nixternal: The not creating a user thing is not known to me. AFAIK the installer does that, so I don't see how it could be netbook specific. | 02:54 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: I assume you saw I got the kde4libs upload done ... | 02:54 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: yeah, thanks | 02:54 |
| ScottK | I'm in the middle of the rosetta onslaught from the kdepim upload i did a coupld of hours before. | 02:55 |
| nixternal | yeah, ubiquity went from the config partitions dialog, and when I clicked ok, went right to partitioning and installing | 02:55 |
| ScottK | Sounds like shtylman's area to me. | 02:56 |
| maco | nixternal: yeah after like 4 reboots, ifup started working, and after probably 4 more, NM started working but had lost my entire set of configured networks (boo!) even though they're still in my .kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc or whatever it's called | 03:37 |
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| Quintasan | ryanakca: okay, thanks, I asked Jorge and he told me it would be a good idea to mention it in Further information so I did that. The problem is who exacly will be going with me :O | 06:43 |
| amichair | JontheEchidna: I see mvo is getting around to software-props, maybe we should put in the final touch as well... are there any issues that can still be reproduced in lucid? | 12:15 |
| ejat | hi .. | 12:21 |
| ejat | can someone help me with this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/401749/ | 12:21 |
| amichair | anyone know what's the difference between http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ ? one I can rsync, the other not, and the duplicity is strange in any case... | 12:46 |
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| rgreening | amichair: the rsync protocol looks for the cdimage path. | 13:34 |
| rgreening | it doesn't know about the http paths that the web server may have aliased to cdimage path | 13:34 |
| amichair | rgreening: why are there two web paths? | 13:36 |
| rgreening | dunno. but I expect that the non-cdimage one is an alias to cdimage. | 13:37 |
| amichair | btw I specify the full url to rsync, do u mean it's configured not to follow symlinks or something like that? | 13:37 |
| rgreening | amichair: its likely an alias in the web server and rsync doesn't know about the alias (a symlink may not exist) | 13:38 |
| amichair | oh, right | 13:39 |
| rgreening | amichair: here's the path I use (for x86): rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso | 13:39 |
| amichair | rgreening: yeah, that's basically what worked for me (with amd64). | 13:40 |
| rgreening | amichair: its the correct path to use for rsync. | 13:40 |
| amichair | I guess I just don't like useless configuration redundancy | 13:41 |
| amichair | rgreening: thanks in any case :-) | 13:41 |
| rgreening | np | 13:42 |
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| amichair | i just had an installer crash (in virtualbox, from daily amd64 iso) - is this a known issue? | 15:04 |
| tseliot | ScottK, JontheEchidna: I need to upload my patch for bug #540177 . How shall I proceed? | 15:15 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 540177 in kdebase-workspace "KDM needs plymouth transition patch" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540177 | 15:16 |
| tseliot | e.g. commit my change in my own bzr branch, upload the package and ask you to merge from my branch? | 15:16 |
| ScottK | tseliot: That or just upload the package and one of us can update the branch from the source. | 15:17 |
| ScottK | Whichever works for you. | 15:17 |
| tseliot | ScottK: also, any objections to the changes that I made to the debian/patches/series file (also, I promise to format the changelog a little better)? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/401837/ | 15:19 |
| ScottK | looking | 15:19 |
| tseliot | thanks | 15:19 |
| ScottK | tseliot: Why the change in 07_kdmrc_defaults_kubuntu.diff? | 15:20 |
| ScottK | You document that you're changing it, but not why. | 15:21 |
| ScottK | Is the bulletproof X patch ever going to be useful again? IIRC it was not working before and should probably be removed, not just commented. | 15:22 |
| tseliot | ScottK: right, because we need to start the xserver without clearing the screen (which still has the bootsplash on) in order to get a nice transition | 15:22 |
| ScottK | OK. Makes sense, but it'd be good to say that. | 15:23 |
| ScottK | Also you don't document disabling kubuntu_104_kdm_active_vt_plymouth.diff. | 15:23 |
| ScottK | Should that be removed too? | 15:23 |
| tseliot | I merged my patch with the bulletproof X one and bulletproof X will work when a new plymouth is uploaded | 15:23 |
| ScottK | Ah, Ok. | 15:23 |
| ScottK | What about 104? | 15:23 |
| tseliot | yes, that patch doesn't really work well | 15:23 |
| tseliot | (104) | 15:23 |
| tseliot | and should be removed | 15:24 |
| ScottK | I gather it's OBE due to your new patch? | 15:24 |
| tseliot | of course I'll document things better ;) | 15:24 |
| ScottK | That should get documented. | 15:24 |
| tseliot | I doubt it ever worked as planned (as they do things differently in fedora) but yes, my patch replaces that too | 15:25 |
| tseliot | ok | 15:25 |
| ScottK | As long as it works and the changes are well documented, I'm happy. | 15:26 |
| tseliot | ok, good | 15:26 |
| ScottK | Someone may want to backport the packaging changes I did for kdepim yesterday to the karmic PPA. It would solve some problems I've seen people report. | 15:34 |
| tseliot | ScottK: the final debdiff: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/401853/ | 15:39 |
| ScottK | Looking | 15:39 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Do you have any input ^^^? | 15:39 |
| JontheEchidna | Looks good to me | 15:40 |
| tseliot | note: the patch works well here with -intel | 15:40 |
| ScottK | tseliot: Why are we disabling the patches instead of removing them? | 15:40 |
| ScottK | Intel is all I have, so I couldn't contribute to more testing. | 15:40 |
| tseliot | ScottK: some may want a smaller diff but if you prefer to simply remove those patches, I'll do it | 15:42 |
| tseliot | whatever works better for you, I'm not the maintainer ;) | 15:42 |
| ScottK | tseliot: I'd prefer to not leave junk patches in the package. You don't need to show me the diff again, just correct the changelog to match. | 15:42 |
| ScottK | I'd say go for it. | 15:43 |
| ScottK | The patches are in the bzr history if we ever need to refer to them. | 15:43 |
| tseliot | ScottK, JontheEchidna: ok, I'll remove those patches. Thanks for reviewing my patch | 15:44 |
| ScottK | tseliot: No problem. If it doesn't work, we know where to find you .... | 15:45 |
| JontheEchidna | Thanks a lot for making the patch, otherwise this probably wouldn't have gotten don :) | 15:45 |
| tseliot | oh, shall I remove or comment out those lines in the "series" file? | 15:45 |
| tseliot | hehe, yes, sure, if you have problems, just let me know ;) | 15:46 |
| ScottK | tseliot: Thanks for helping out with Kubuntu. | 15:46 |
| tseliot | :-) | 15:46 |
| ScottK | tseliot: Remove the patches from series too please. | 15:47 |
| tseliot | sure | 15:47 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 15:47 |
| tseliot | np | 15:47 |
| ScottK | Anyone have any issues for the release team meeting? | 16:17 |
| ScottK | I've already bitched about branding. | 16:17 |
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| ScottK | Any word on 4.4.2? | 16:59 |
| daskreech | Crap | 17:04 |
| daskreech | Already? | 17:04 |
| * daskreech sighs. Stop being so persistently cool KDE Srsly | 17:04 | |
| DarkwingDuck | :D but, hey... its better now right? | 17:36 |
| daskreech | In some aspects I keep hitting on regressions. Nothing heartbreaking but probably not "better" | 17:41 |
| daskreech | Akonadi plugins keep looking for soprano and spitting thousands of error messages | 17:42 |
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| jussi01 | akonadi is the new devil. right after knetworkmanager. | 17:50 |
| DarkwingDuck | jussi01: akonadi fix it self then broke now it fixed... without updateing anything... | 17:51 |
| nixternal | I just looked at what it takes to create a Kubuntu Plymouth theme, and it is actually quite easy. Xubuntu, Lubuntu, and Edubuntu have already done so...what are we waiting for? | 17:52 |
| ScottK | Branding. | 17:59 |
| ScottK | OTOH, having something would be better than what we have now. | 17:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | nixternal: have we merged the docs in yet? | 17:59 |
| DarkwingDuck | or rather, Carls updates | 18:00 |
| daskreech | nixternal: Draw one by hand in Krita and use that :) | 18:03 |
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| yofel | in the date/time settings in the timezones tab the 'Apply' button is grayed out regardless of the selected timezone, bug? | 18:40 |
| daskreech | I think I bugged that already | 18:41 |
| daskreech | I haven't checked if it was fixed though | 18:41 |
| vbgunz | is this ever getting implemented http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/06/10/smooth-and-solid-resizing-on-x11/ ? | 18:49 |
| rocketman768 | I have an app built on Qt and Phonon for KDE that I was hoping someone might help me include directly into Kubuntu. It is called brewtarget and can be found on http://sourceforge.net/projects/brewtarget . I have built it as a debian package and submitted it to mentors.debian.net, but after about a year, it seems that no one at debian is willing to sponsor my package and put it in their repositories. I would appreciate any | 19:32 |
| ScottK | rocketman768: Did you contact the Debian Qt/KDE team? | 19:33 |
| ScottK | I'd go to #debian-qt-kde on oftc and ask about getting sponsored there. | 19:33 |
| rgreening | !ninjas | 19:34 |
| ubottu | Help! apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, Lex79, Quintasan, neversfelde, maco, rgreening | 19:34 |
| rocketman768 | ScottK: thanks, I'll see what they say. | 19:34 |
| rgreening | to the batcave. 4.4.2 is ready for pkg | 19:34 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: batcave. kde 4.4,.2 rdy for pkg | 19:38 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: I thought we weren't using the batcave anymore | 19:39 |
| rgreening | hmm.. news to me | 19:39 |
| rgreening | i thought for pre-rel pkging we were still. | 19:39 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: I mean bunker (==batcave) | 19:40 |
| JontheEchidna | We've switched to just adding our packagers to ktown's access list, instead of hosting the tars on a secret external server | 19:40 |
| rgreening | not the website | 19:40 |
| rgreening | yes. see my comment above :P | 19:41 |
| JontheEchidna | so there's really no need for a secret channel, since the only thing that is/needs to be secret would be the link | 19:41 |
| rgreening | oh | 19:41 |
| rgreening | good enuf. | 19:41 |
| JontheEchidna | I guess I'll join there, but I'll do packaging talk out here :) | 19:42 |
| rgreening | so JontheEchidna, Riddell asked me to lead this one. | 19:42 |
| rgreening | Any tips for starting? | 19:42 |
| JontheEchidna | hum | 19:42 |
| JontheEchidna | to tell you the truth things have gotten a bit less structured over the last few releases | 19:42 |
| rgreening | heh\ | 19:42 |
| rgreening | ok then... | 19:43 |
| rgreening | I guess I'll just make sure everything gets done and review the bzr to make sure the updates match the uploaded packages in the PPA prior to upload to archive | 19:43 |
| JontheEchidna | Before, the person leading would personally pbuild the packages for extra QA, but we haven't done that recently (not necessarily a good thing) | 19:43 |
| rgreening | I have no issues building everything from scratch as we go | 19:44 |
| rgreening | if we should start that up again | 19:44 |
| JontheEchidna | the workflow we've been using is pbuild -> push to ppa/bzr -> test install -> release | 19:44 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: we still using ninja PPA first though, correct? | 19:45 |
| JontheEchidna | yus | 19:45 |
| rgreening | okies. then Im set. | 19:45 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: oh, and once uploads start, I can help out with that. | 19:45 |
| rgreening | I have to take the dog out.. so I'll be out for a bit. I'll check in after. cool. ty JontheEchidna | 19:46 |
| JontheEchidna | I only have upload priviledges for half the packages though... still waiting on my core-dev app :( | 19:46 |
| JontheEchidna | have fun | 19:46 |
| rgreening | JontheEchidna: so the kubuntu-dev doesn't allow upload all the kde packages? | 19:46 |
| JontheEchidna | rgreening: no :/ | 19:47 |
| rgreening | or you are seeking motu+core | 19:47 |
| JontheEchidna | I am seeking kubuntu-dev+core | 19:47 |
| JontheEchidna | +motu | 19:47 |
| rgreening | I thought the per package upload was why we did all this? | 19:47 |
| rgreening | so all kde core apps would be covered by kubuntu-dev | 19:47 |
| JontheEchidna | ^^ | 19:47 |
| JontheEchidna | It's not, though. And the powers that be said they won't change it | 19:48 |
| JontheEchidna | very :/ | 19:48 |
| rgreening | wtf | 19:48 |
| rgreening | thats just stupid then. | 19:48 |
| rgreening | why have the kubuntu-dev at all | 19:48 |
| rgreening | retarded | 19:48 |
| rgreening | it would have been better for just keeping motu+core-dev then wrt kde | 19:48 |
| JontheEchidna | well, I do have privs to most of the non-core, seeded KDE apps like KPackagekit, konversation, quassel, kbluetooth, etc | 19:48 |
| JontheEchidna | and about half of the core kde modules | 19:49 |
| rgreening | so, what, kdelibs doesn't get approved by kubuntu-dev and possibly kdepimlibs? | 19:49 |
| rgreening | gawd! | 19:49 |
| rgreening | some days I wonder how kubuntu survives at all | 19:50 |
| JontheEchidna | I bitch about this in my core-dev app: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JonathanThomas/CoreDevApplication | 19:50 |
| JontheEchidna | "Areas of work" section | 19:50 |
| rgreening | haha | 19:50 |
| ScottK | Maybe we need a kubuntu-core-dev for the non-kubuntu-dev bits of Kubuntu | 20:00 |
| ryanakca | too many teams :P | 20:06 |
| ryanakca | ... and he's gone. Anybody else working on the 4.4.2 packages and would like some help? | 20:07 |
| ScottK | rgreening's the boss. | 20:07 |
| ScottK | JontheEchidna: Do you know enough to respond to pitt's question in Bug #528907? | 20:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 528907 in kdebase "unable to mount disks in dolphin / hal permission denied" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528907 | 20:08 |
| JontheEchidna | ScottK: I think we have a patch that should do the launch-with-kdesu bit. Appears to not be working though | 20:09 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: it is in kdebase-apps? | 20:10 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: the patch is in regular kdebase, yes | 20:10 |
| JontheEchidna | I think | 20:10 |
| ScottK | That'd make sense. | 20:10 |
| JontheEchidna | maybe kde4libs | 20:10 |
| JontheEchidna | yeah, kde4libs, kubuntu_06_user_disk_mounting.diff | 20:11 |
| JontheEchidna | I don't know much except "It should in theory work" and "this seems to break in a different way at least once per cycle" | 20:11 |
| Quintasan | hmm | 20:13 |
| Quintasan | shouldnt is use kdesudo not kdesu? | 20:13 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: http://wklej.org/id/304517/ <-- like this | 20:14 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: then we have a circular dep between kdelibs and kdesudo | 20:15 |
| JontheEchidna | anyways, that shouldn't be the issue | 20:15 |
| Quintasan | awesome | 20:17 |
| Quintasan | /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu points to /etc/alternatives/kdesu which points to /usr/bin/kdesudo | 20:17 |
| JontheEchidna | that too | 20:17 |
| JontheEchidna | :P | 20:17 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: where the hell kdesu comes from anyways? | 20:19 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: kdebase-runtime | 20:19 |
| Quintasan | I wonder what is the actual problem since Dolphin only puts come HAL error which tells nothing | 20:20 |
| ScottK | debfx: Nowish would be a good time to discuss your brightness OSD patch since we're doing an update. It didn't get in already did it? | 20:22 |
| Quintasan | HAL was crap already and IMO the best solution would be very sudden transition to PolicyKit | 20:24 |
| gon_cl | Hello, I would like to help with some arrangements of the Spanish translation | 20:24 |
| debfx | ScottK: I don't so, Riddell said he'll look at it, but he probably didn't come it yet | 20:24 |
| gon_cl | Where can I propose translations? | 20:24 |
| gon_cl | In the launchpad (Lucid), I see no translations for KDE packages | 20:24 |
| Quintasan | gon_cl: contact your upstream tranlslations team for your language | 20:25 |
| Quintasan | translations* | 20:25 |
| gon_cl | thanks | 20:26 |
| JontheEchidna | Quintasan: It's not a question of HAL vs PolicyKit. One's a hardware layer and one's an authorization layer | 20:27 |
| Quintasan | I know that, but the fault is somewhere between those two | 20:28 |
| Quintasan | so either PK or HAL is crap | 20:28 |
| JontheEchidna | ah, I see. I misunderstood your original rant | 20:28 |
| Quintasan | but since the HAL throws some nasty messages at users the it is probably HAL | 20:29 |
| Quintasan | cd /var/log | 20:29 |
| Quintasan | grr | 20:29 |
| Quintasan | nothing in logs | 20:32 |
| Quintasan | wtf | 20:32 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: policykit-desktop-privileges | 20:33 |
| Quintasan | hmm | 20:33 |
| JontheEchidna | I think those are all for GNOME Polkit services :( | 20:34 |
| Quintasan | let me update all that crap and restart | 20:34 |
| JontheEchidna | Nautilus for default file manager!11!1!!!!!!!!! | 20:34 |
| * Quintasan hits JontheEchidna with a whip | 20:34 | |
| Quintasan | :> | 20:34 |
| Quintasan | OBJECTION! | 20:34 |
| JontheEchidna | x_O | 20:36 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: what were you expecting from spreading heresy? | 20:37 |
| Quintasan | :P | 20:37 |
| debfx | ScottK: previously I didn't show the OSD if brightness_in_hardware was set to true as some buggy hardware/driver sent brightness key events on every brightness change | 20:43 |
| debfx | specifically the MSI Wind, which has been fixed in Lucid | 20:43 |
| ScottK | debfx: So what should be do now? | 20:44 |
| debfx | in Lucid brightness_in_hardware is always true as an acpi brightness kernel config has been activated | 20:45 |
| ScottK | Maybe JontheEchidna could review your updated patch since Riddell is away. | 20:45 |
| debfx | I think we should always show the OSD and ignore brightness_in_hardware for that part | 20:46 |
| ScottK | I think if we get it in before the beta2, that sounds OK. | 20:47 |
| debfx | JontheEchidna: this is the merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/+merge/21785 | 20:48 |
| JontheEchidna | I'll test it later today, but from first glance it looks good. | 20:53 |
| Quintasan | JontheEchidna: installing that policykit crap didn't help | 21:00 |
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| nixternal | hey, how do you install .desktop.in files? | 22:05 |
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| shtylman | Riddell: any news on logo? | 23:05 |
| crimsun | nixternal: generally they're processed to generate the .desktop | 23:07 |
| crimsun | nixternal: are you using cdbs or some other patch and/or build system? | 23:07 |
| nixternal | got it crimsun, thanks :) | 23:09 |
| nixternal | crimsun: do you know how to create po files for .desktop.in files? | 23:51 |
| DarkwingDuck | Still can't figure it out? | 23:53 |
| nixternal | all i need to do is create the pot files and it is done | 23:59 |
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