[00:03] nixternal: sire, wouldst thou grant a wish for a UI freeze exception? bug 527606 [00:03] Launchpad bug 527606 in kpackagekit "Rollback button should be hidden and not disabled" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527606 [00:04] * JontheEchidna counts fingers [00:04] nope [00:04] ACK'd :p [00:04] lol [00:04] trying to figure out, which driver is better for my mini 10v, the broadcom b43 or sta driver [00:04] nobody seems to know [00:04] dantti: ^Shouldn't be any problem with that button being hidden, since it's not enabled atm, right? [00:06] nixternal: (un)fortunately I'm not an expert on proprietary vs unproprietary wireless drivers... [00:06] yeah, me either [00:06] I could moan about proprietary vs free nvidia drivers all day, though [00:06] they both suck in their own little ways [00:06] the STA drivers I know work, and work fairly decently...however I can't scan with the STA drivers [00:06] I guess I could try b43, see how it works, and if I don't like it, roll it back [00:10] nixternal: i have had very good experiences with b43 worked well for b,g networks [00:11] thanks verbalshadow [00:11] i guess you can install drivers with jockey-text, only enable/disable them [00:12] i always just use jockey-kde but text should work [00:13] -kde is broken atm [00:13] ahh [01:24] maco: did you ever figure out your wifi issue? my netbook will not connect to a damn thing [01:24] even with nm-applet, which always worked for me [01:29] well shit, nm-applet just worked [01:29] * nixternal tries knetworkmanager now [01:30] wtf, so there is a network somewhere near by that is stronger than my own network in the house [01:30] my signal is 80%, this other networks signal is 100% === pepee_ is now known as pepee === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [01:42] my netbook on lucid is very #%#%#%# so i'm going to reload it w/ the beta [01:44] what's the name of the app for creating a live usb drive? [01:47] jjesse: usb-creator-kde [01:50] why does it appear some cleaner/prettier when run w/ kdesudo? === rickspencer3_ is now known as rickspencer3 [01:59] why can't i get usb-creator-kde to work, am i retarted? [02:01] jjesse: let me try i need to make a new usb install anyway [02:02] i have a blank usb drive however i can't create or format it [02:02] jjesse: last time i tried it would work for me either, but unetbootin did [02:02] umm wouldn't [02:04] wow unetbootin works fine [02:04] it is copying files for me so i will let i a couple of minutes [02:09] hrmm unetbootin just gives me a menu but doesn't actually boot [02:12] jjesse: usb-creator-kde seems to work for me, have not booted it yet though [02:16] hrmm redownloading my isos to see if there is something wrong [02:54] nixternal: The not creating a user thing is not known to me. AFAIK the installer does that, so I don't see how it could be netbook specific. [02:54] JontheEchidna: I assume you saw I got the kde4libs upload done ... [02:54] ScottK: yeah, thanks [02:55] I'm in the middle of the rosetta onslaught from the kdepim upload i did a coupld of hours before. [02:55] yeah, ubiquity went from the config partitions dialog, and when I clicked ok, went right to partitioning and installing [02:56] Sounds like shtylman's area to me. [03:37] nixternal: yeah after like 4 reboots, ifup started working, and after probably 4 more, NM started working but had lost my entire set of configured networks (boo!) even though they're still in my .kde/share/config/knetworkmanagerrc or whatever it's called === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [06:43] ryanakca: okay, thanks, I asked Jorge and he told me it would be a good idea to mention it in Further information so I did that. The problem is who exacly will be going with me :O [12:15] JontheEchidna: I see mvo is getting around to software-props, maybe we should put in the final touch as well... are there any issues that can still be reproduced in lucid? [12:21] hi .. [12:21] can someone help me with this : http://paste.ubuntu.com/401749/ [12:46] anyone know what's the difference between http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ ? one I can rsync, the other not, and the duplicity is strange in any case... === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [13:34] amichair: the rsync protocol looks for the cdimage path. [13:34] it doesn't know about the http paths that the web server may have aliased to cdimage path [13:36] rgreening: why are there two web paths? [13:37] dunno. but I expect that the non-cdimage one is an alias to cdimage. [13:37] btw I specify the full url to rsync, do u mean it's configured not to follow symlinks or something like that? [13:38] amichair: its likely an alias in the web server and rsync doesn't know about the alias (a symlink may not exist) [13:39] oh, right [13:39] amichair: here's the path I use (for x86): rsync://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso [13:40] rgreening: yeah, that's basically what worked for me (with amd64). [13:40] amichair: its the correct path to use for rsync. [13:41] I guess I just don't like useless configuration redundancy [13:41] rgreening: thanks in any case :-) [13:42] np === jonathan__ is now known as jjesse === jonathan__ is now known as jjesse [15:04] i just had an installer crash (in virtualbox, from daily amd64 iso) - is this a known issue? [15:15] ScottK, JontheEchidna: I need to upload my patch for bug #540177 . How shall I proceed? [15:16] Launchpad bug 540177 in kdebase-workspace "KDM needs plymouth transition patch" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540177 [15:16] e.g. commit my change in my own bzr branch, upload the package and ask you to merge from my branch? [15:17] tseliot: That or just upload the package and one of us can update the branch from the source. [15:17] Whichever works for you. [15:19] ScottK: also, any objections to the changes that I made to the debian/patches/series file (also, I promise to format the changelog a little better)? http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/401837/ [15:19] looking [15:19] thanks [15:20] tseliot: Why the change in 07_kdmrc_defaults_kubuntu.diff? [15:21] You document that you're changing it, but not why. [15:22] Is the bulletproof X patch ever going to be useful again? IIRC it was not working before and should probably be removed, not just commented. [15:22] ScottK: right, because we need to start the xserver without clearing the screen (which still has the bootsplash on) in order to get a nice transition [15:23] OK. Makes sense, but it'd be good to say that. [15:23] Also you don't document disabling kubuntu_104_kdm_active_vt_plymouth.diff. [15:23] Should that be removed too? [15:23] I merged my patch with the bulletproof X one and bulletproof X will work when a new plymouth is uploaded [15:23] Ah, Ok. [15:23] What about 104? [15:23] yes, that patch doesn't really work well [15:23] (104) [15:24] and should be removed [15:24] I gather it's OBE due to your new patch? [15:24] of course I'll document things better ;) [15:24] That should get documented. [15:25] I doubt it ever worked as planned (as they do things differently in fedora) but yes, my patch replaces that too [15:25] ok [15:26] As long as it works and the changes are well documented, I'm happy. [15:26] ok, good [15:34] Someone may want to backport the packaging changes I did for kdepim yesterday to the karmic PPA. It would solve some problems I've seen people report. [15:39] ScottK: the final debdiff: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/401853/ [15:39] Looking [15:39] JontheEchidna: Do you have any input ^^^? [15:40] Looks good to me [15:40] note: the patch works well here with -intel [15:40] tseliot: Why are we disabling the patches instead of removing them? [15:40] Intel is all I have, so I couldn't contribute to more testing. [15:42] ScottK: some may want a smaller diff but if you prefer to simply remove those patches, I'll do it [15:42] whatever works better for you, I'm not the maintainer ;) [15:42] tseliot: I'd prefer to not leave junk patches in the package. You don't need to show me the diff again, just correct the changelog to match. [15:43] I'd say go for it. [15:43] The patches are in the bzr history if we ever need to refer to them. [15:44] ScottK, JontheEchidna: ok, I'll remove those patches. Thanks for reviewing my patch [15:45] tseliot: No problem. If it doesn't work, we know where to find you .... [15:45] Thanks a lot for making the patch, otherwise this probably wouldn't have gotten don :) [15:45] oh, shall I remove or comment out those lines in the "series" file? [15:46] hehe, yes, sure, if you have problems, just let me know ;) [15:46] tseliot: Thanks for helping out with Kubuntu. [15:46] :-) [15:47] tseliot: Remove the patches from series too please. [15:47] sure [15:47] Thanks. [15:47] np [16:17] Anyone have any issues for the release team meeting? [16:17] I've already bitched about branding. === yofel_ is now known as yofel [16:59] Any word on 4.4.2? [17:04] Crap [17:04] Already? [17:04] * daskreech sighs. Stop being so persistently cool KDE Srsly [17:36] :D but, hey... its better now right? [17:41] In some aspects I keep hitting on regressions. Nothing heartbreaking but probably not "better" [17:42] Akonadi plugins keep looking for soprano and spitting thousands of error messages === jonathan_ is now known as jjesse [17:50] akonadi is the new devil. right after knetworkmanager. [17:51] jussi01: akonadi fix it self then broke now it fixed... without updateing anything... [17:52] I just looked at what it takes to create a Kubuntu Plymouth theme, and it is actually quite easy. Xubuntu, Lubuntu, and Edubuntu have already done so...what are we waiting for? [17:59] Branding. [17:59] OTOH, having something would be better than what we have now. [17:59] nixternal: have we merged the docs in yet? [18:00] or rather, Carls updates [18:03] nixternal: Draw one by hand in Krita and use that :) === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger [18:40] in the date/time settings in the timezones tab the 'Apply' button is grayed out regardless of the selected timezone, bug? [18:41] I think I bugged that already [18:41] I haven't checked if it was fixed though [18:49] is this ever getting implemented http://labs.trolltech.com/blogs/2009/06/10/smooth-and-solid-resizing-on-x11/ ? [19:32] I have an app built on Qt and Phonon for KDE that I was hoping someone might help me include directly into Kubuntu. It is called brewtarget and can be found on http://sourceforge.net/projects/brewtarget . I have built it as a debian package and submitted it to mentors.debian.net, but after about a year, it seems that no one at debian is willing to sponsor my package and put it in their repositories. I would appreciate any [19:33] rocketman768: Did you contact the Debian Qt/KDE team? [19:33] I'd go to #debian-qt-kde on oftc and ask about getting sponsored there. [19:34] !ninjas [19:34] Help! apachelogger, JontheEchidna, nhandler, Riddell, ScottK, Lex79, Quintasan, neversfelde, maco, rgreening [19:34] ScottK: thanks, I'll see what they say. [19:34] to the batcave. 4.4.2 is ready for pkg [19:38] JontheEchidna: batcave. kde 4.4,.2 rdy for pkg [19:39] rgreening: I thought we weren't using the batcave anymore [19:39] hmm.. news to me [19:39] i thought for pre-rel pkging we were still. [19:40] JontheEchidna: I mean bunker (==batcave) [19:40] We've switched to just adding our packagers to ktown's access list, instead of hosting the tars on a secret external server [19:40] not the website [19:41] yes. see my comment above :P [19:41] so there's really no need for a secret channel, since the only thing that is/needs to be secret would be the link [19:41] oh [19:41] good enuf. [19:42] I guess I'll join there, but I'll do packaging talk out here :) [19:42] so JontheEchidna, Riddell asked me to lead this one. [19:42] Any tips for starting? [19:42] hum [19:42] to tell you the truth things have gotten a bit less structured over the last few releases [19:42] heh\ [19:43] ok then... [19:43] I guess I'll just make sure everything gets done and review the bzr to make sure the updates match the uploaded packages in the PPA prior to upload to archive [19:43] Before, the person leading would personally pbuild the packages for extra QA, but we haven't done that recently (not necessarily a good thing) [19:44] I have no issues building everything from scratch as we go [19:44] if we should start that up again [19:44] the workflow we've been using is pbuild -> push to ppa/bzr -> test install -> release [19:45] JontheEchidna: we still using ninja PPA first though, correct? [19:45] yus [19:45] okies. then Im set. [19:45] rgreening: oh, and once uploads start, I can help out with that. [19:46] I have to take the dog out.. so I'll be out for a bit. I'll check in after. cool. ty JontheEchidna [19:46] I only have upload priviledges for half the packages though... still waiting on my core-dev app :( [19:46] have fun [19:46] JontheEchidna: so the kubuntu-dev doesn't allow upload all the kde packages? [19:47] rgreening: no :/ [19:47] or you are seeking motu+core [19:47] I am seeking kubuntu-dev+core [19:47] +motu [19:47] I thought the per package upload was why we did all this? [19:47] so all kde core apps would be covered by kubuntu-dev [19:47] ^^ [19:48] It's not, though. And the powers that be said they won't change it [19:48] very :/ [19:48] wtf [19:48] thats just stupid then. [19:48] why have the kubuntu-dev at all [19:48] retarded [19:48] it would have been better for just keeping motu+core-dev then wrt kde [19:48] well, I do have privs to most of the non-core, seeded KDE apps like KPackagekit, konversation, quassel, kbluetooth, etc [19:49] and about half of the core kde modules [19:49] so, what, kdelibs doesn't get approved by kubuntu-dev and possibly kdepimlibs? [19:49] gawd! [19:50] some days I wonder how kubuntu survives at all [19:50] I bitch about this in my core-dev app: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/JonathanThomas/CoreDevApplication [19:50] "Areas of work" section [19:50] haha [20:00] Maybe we need a kubuntu-core-dev for the non-kubuntu-dev bits of Kubuntu [20:06] too many teams :P [20:07] ... and he's gone. Anybody else working on the 4.4.2 packages and would like some help? [20:07] rgreening's the boss. [20:08] JontheEchidna: Do you know enough to respond to pitt's question in Bug #528907? [20:08] Launchpad bug 528907 in kdebase "unable to mount disks in dolphin / hal permission denied" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528907 [20:09] ScottK: I think we have a patch that should do the launch-with-kdesu bit. Appears to not be working though [20:10] JontheEchidna: it is in kdebase-apps? [20:10] Quintasan: the patch is in regular kdebase, yes [20:10] I think [20:10] That'd make sense. [20:10] maybe kde4libs [20:11] yeah, kde4libs, kubuntu_06_user_disk_mounting.diff [20:11] I don't know much except "It should in theory work" and "this seems to break in a different way at least once per cycle" [20:13] hmm [20:13] shouldnt is use kdesudo not kdesu? [20:14] JontheEchidna: http://wklej.org/id/304517/ <-- like this [20:15] Quintasan: then we have a circular dep between kdelibs and kdesudo [20:15] anyways, that shouldn't be the issue [20:17] awesome [20:17] /usr/lib/kde4/libexec/kdesu points to /etc/alternatives/kdesu which points to /usr/bin/kdesudo [20:17] that too [20:17] :P [20:19] JontheEchidna: where the hell kdesu comes from anyways? [20:19] Quintasan: kdebase-runtime [20:20] I wonder what is the actual problem since Dolphin only puts come HAL error which tells nothing [20:22] debfx: Nowish would be a good time to discuss your brightness OSD patch since we're doing an update. It didn't get in already did it? [20:24] HAL was crap already and IMO the best solution would be very sudden transition to PolicyKit [20:24] Hello, I would like to help with some arrangements of the Spanish translation [20:24] ScottK: I don't so, Riddell said he'll look at it, but he probably didn't come it yet [20:24] Where can I propose translations? [20:24] In the launchpad (Lucid), I see no translations for KDE packages [20:25] gon_cl: contact your upstream tranlslations team for your language [20:25] translations* [20:26] thanks [20:27] Quintasan: It's not a question of HAL vs PolicyKit. One's a hardware layer and one's an authorization layer [20:28] I know that, but the fault is somewhere between those two [20:28] so either PK or HAL is crap [20:28] ah, I see. I misunderstood your original rant [20:29] but since the HAL throws some nasty messages at users the it is probably HAL [20:29] cd /var/log [20:29] grr [20:32] nothing in logs [20:32] wtf [20:33] JontheEchidna: policykit-desktop-privileges [20:33] hmm [20:34] I think those are all for GNOME Polkit services :( [20:34] let me update all that crap and restart [20:34] Nautilus for default file manager!11!1!!!!!!!!! [20:34] * Quintasan hits JontheEchidna with a whip [20:34] :> [20:34] OBJECTION! [20:36] x_O [20:37] JontheEchidna: what were you expecting from spreading heresy? [20:37] :P [20:43] ScottK: previously I didn't show the OSD if brightness_in_hardware was set to true as some buggy hardware/driver sent brightness key events on every brightness change [20:43] specifically the MSI Wind, which has been fixed in Lucid [20:44] debfx: So what should be do now? [20:45] in Lucid brightness_in_hardware is always true as an acpi brightness kernel config has been activated [20:45] Maybe JontheEchidna could review your updated patch since Riddell is away. [20:46] I think we should always show the OSD and ignore brightness_in_hardware for that part [20:47] I think if we get it in before the beta2, that sounds OK. [20:48] JontheEchidna: this is the merge request: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/+merge/21785 [20:53] I'll test it later today, but from first glance it looks good. [21:00] JontheEchidna: installing that policykit crap didn't help === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === txwikinger is now known as txwikinger2 === txwikinger2 is now known as txwikinger === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [22:05] hey, how do you install .desktop.in files? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [23:05] Riddell: any news on logo? [23:07] nixternal: generally they're processed to generate the .desktop [23:07] nixternal: are you using cdbs or some other patch and/or build system? [23:09] got it crimsun, thanks :) [23:51] crimsun: do you know how to create po files for .desktop.in files? [23:53] Still can't figure it out? [23:59] all i need to do is create the pot files and it is done