[00:02] <dougb> i am on a compaq presario v2710us and iphone support doesn't seem to work, but it works on a dell notebook i am testing 10.04 on.  does anyone know the name of the project that is bringing iphone support to ubuntu?
[00:05] <BUGabundo> http://img.funtasticus.com/2008/nov/032410daily/daily_2.jpg Global Position System
[00:05] <BUGabundo> oopss sorry
[00:05] <BUGabundo> wrong wind
[00:06] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well, it could be worse ;)
[00:06] <BUGabundo> yeah
[00:06] <kklimonda> now it's just an OT and not a ban material :P
[00:07] <BUGabundo> ah
[00:11] <VoJe> why do i get this error when to run exaile on the latest ubuntu 10.04? "SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal"
[00:14] <VoJe> Does anyone know?
[00:14] <timboy> system monitor shows 70%+ utilization on both cores but nothing in top or processors shows over 5% usage... help plz!
[00:14] <timboy> http://img249.imageshack.us/img249/2272/htop.png
[00:15] <Twiple> too many questions, not enough answers... wish I could help, sorry...
[00:16] <deanus> timboy, dont trust sys monitor too much..
[00:17] <deanus> I dont...
[00:17] <deanus> I trust htop more.
[00:18] <psusi> timboy, probably because system monitor counts wait time as used
[00:18] <beutdeuce> need help, installed Kubuntu 10.04, everything works fine except that i dont see a menubar at the bottom of the screen...
[00:18] <psusi> I've been telling them for years they need to stop that but...
[00:22] <timboy> deanus, htop says same thing. screenshot was posted
[00:23] <psusi> timboy, what about just plain old top?
[00:23] <deanus> hmm, actual processes dont show anything like that.. just the overall..
[00:26] <bjsnider> !find glext.h karmic
[00:27] <bjsnider> !find glx.h karmic
[00:27] <skyjumper> anyone else's gnome-panel tooltips seem sticky?
[00:27] <skyjumper> like they stay open after the mouse is moved elsewhere
[00:32] <timboy> psusi, top is basically the same...
[00:34] <timboy> something is definitely taxing the cpu... it's a laptop and it's heating up good.
[00:34] <BUGabundo> timboy: mine to
[00:34] <BUGabundo> you got gwibber running ?
[00:35] <BUGabundo> my laptop feels _slow_
[00:35] <psusi> timboy, what do you mean?  top does not show a total cpu usage number
[00:36] <psusi> hooray!  I have (g)parted repartitioning disks that are in use ( again )
[00:36] <gnomefreak> it shows active CPU%
[00:37] <psusi> yes, but it does not show a "total"
[00:37] <psusi> system-monitor computes a "total" and it includes wait time in its total, which is wrong
[00:37] <gnomefreak> correct
[00:37] <bbordwell> Hello, I am using x-chat-gnome. How can you set it to automatically join channels at startup?
[00:38] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: i dont recall where but in the servers tab you should beablet o set it
[00:38] <gnomefreak> use a , between each #channel, #channel, #channel .....
[00:39] <gnomefreak> i think you choose the server than hit edit and it will giv eyou a choice about mid window
[00:40] <BUGabundo> bed my to going
[00:42] <timboy> psusi, top shows 44%
[00:42] <timboy> i'm not doing anything besides xchat
[00:42] <psusi> timboy, 44% what?
[00:43] <timboy> cpu usage total. Cpu(s): 44.4%us,
[00:43] <psusi> that is not total, that is user time
[00:43] <psusi> there should be a few processes at the top of the list accounting for that
[00:44] <VoJe> why do i get this error when to run exaile on the latest ubuntu 10.04? "SyntaxError: EOL while scanning string literal"
[01:08] <Blue11> is there a way to defrag ext4?  /dev/sdb2: 28/9641984 files (728.6% non-contiguous), 653165/38545959 blocks
[01:11] <hyperstream> 7
[01:11] <kklimonda> Blue11: it sounds like a bug
[01:12] <Blue11> indeed!
[01:12] <kklimonda> or I don't understand what 728.6% non-contiguous actually mean
[01:12] <Blue11> should I report it then?
[01:12] <kklimonda> probably
[01:15] <Blue11> kklimonda: looking at how and wheere not
[01:15] <Blue11> now
[01:16] <Blue11> wow quite confusing
[01:17] <kklimonda> i'm not sure against what package report it
[01:17] <Blue11> circular loop cant figure it out
[01:17] <Blue11> fsck
[01:18] <Blue11> i did a sudo fsck -nf /dev/sdb2
[01:18] <Blue11> yeah I am in some kinda loop trying to report this bug
[01:18] <psusi> Blue1, whoa... more than 100%?  yea, that's fubar
[01:19] <psusi> Blue1, I'm working on salvaging the old e2defrag package and updating it to work on ext4... still have a few more features to fix
[01:20] <psusi> anyone care to try my changes to (lib/g)parted that fix it in lucid to be able to manipulate partitions on disks with other partitions that are in use?
[01:20] <kklimonda> Blue11: try asking on #ubuntu-bugs for the right package
[01:20] <Blue11> heh I am still trying to figure out how to file a bug
[01:20] <psusi> kklimonda, e2fsprogs
[01:20] <Blue11> i know the package I can't figure out how to file the bug report
[01:21] <kklimonda> Blue11: ubuntu-bug package works fine
[01:21] <psusi> fsck is part of e2fsprogs... you can always ask dpkg -S `which e2fsck`
[01:22] <Blue11> no, i don't think you understand - I can't figure out WHERE to report the bug (url).  I am in a vicious loop
[01:23] <kklimonda> Blue11: but the ubuntu-bug e2fsprogs is going to open the browser on the right url for you
[01:23] <kklimonda> Blue11: you have to report it on the launchpad
[01:24] <Blue11> yes trying to do that but report a bug goes through a laundry list of things - not a bug entry form
[01:24] <psusi> Blue1, http://launchpad.net
[01:24] <Blue11> this is where I am at:  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[01:25] <psusi> unfortunately that's probably going to be damn near impossible to diagnose without an exact image of your filesystem
[01:25] <Blue11> yes
[01:25] <Blue11> but since I can't report it, I'll just assume ignorance is bliss and continue
[01:26] <gnomefreak> why cant you report it? assuming you mean a bug
[01:27] <Blue11> gnomefreak: i cant find the right url
[01:27] <gnomefreak> and ignorant is not an excuse ;)
[01:27] <gnomefreak> Blue11: use ubuntu-bug <name of package>
[01:27] <gnomefreak> example: ubuntu-bug firefox
[01:28] <gnomefreak> no need for links it will open it for you :)
[01:28] <Blue11> no
[01:28] <Blue11> i dunno I am totally lost
[01:28] <Blue11> that didn't work either gnomefreak
[01:28] <gnomefreak> Blue11: what package?
[01:29] <gnomefreak> Blue11: you need to source package not the binary
[01:29] <Blue11> i need a url
[01:30] <ChogyDan> Blue11: did you answer the questions that you were asked by ubuntu-bug?
[01:30] <kklimonda> Blue11: what's wrong with using ubuntu-bug ?
[01:30] <Blue11> kklimonda: it never let me input any information
[01:30] <gnomefreak> Blue11: are you filing a bug report or looking for one?
[01:30] <Blue11> gnomefreak: trying to file
[01:30] <gnomefreak> Blue11: what package
[01:30] <Blue11>  dpkg -S `which e2fsck`
[01:30] <Blue11> e2fsprogs: /sbin/e2fsck
[01:31] <kklimonda> Blue11: it first have to open web browser on the right page and then it's going to let you input additional info
[01:31] <gnomefreak> Blue11: did you try ubuntu-bug e2fsprogs
[01:31] <Blue11> kklimonda: right I don't know where that is.
[01:31] <gnomefreak> Blue11: in your browser (whatever one is default
[01:31] <gnomefreak> )
[01:32] <Blue11> gnomefreak: yes I tried that, but it didn't let me add any information
[01:32] <gnomefreak> Blue11: did it open a web page?
[01:32] <kklimonda> Blue11: first you enter ubuntu-bug e2fsprogs, it's going to collect info and ask to send report
[01:32] <Blue11> gnomefreak: no
[01:32] <Blue11> kklimonda: done -
[01:32]  * gnomefreak was able to get web page when i just tried it
[01:32] <kklimonda> Blue11: then it should open a webpage - if it doesn't you are doing it on server, right? :P
[01:32] <Blue11> kklimonda: but it has no information i.e. what is the problem the problem is garbage fragmentation being reported
[01:33] <Blue11> kklimonda: yeah but I can't find the right place to report it -- I've tried several urls and I spin in a vicious loop
[01:33] <kklimonda> Blue11: so you are trying to report a bug on the server that has no X and no browser?
[01:33] <ar0nic> anyone familiar with compiz? im tryign to figure out why only select things work
[01:34] <ar0nic> fire works but no cube etc
[01:34] <Blue11> for example -- https://launchpad.net/  (no place to report)  https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net viscious loop - no place to report
[01:34] <kklimonda> Blue11: the best approach would be to use "ubuntu-bug e2fsprogs --save=report" and then copy report to another Ubuntu installation that have browser.
[01:34] <gnomefreak> ar0nic: do you have full version enabled or just a minor version
[01:34] <ar0nic> no idea brother
[01:34] <Blue11> gnomefreak: full version, clean install, ff installed
[01:35] <ChogyDan> Blue11: the reason those dont work is because you are supposed to use ubuntu-bug
[01:35] <gnomefreak> ar0nic: open System>Preferences>Apperarnce than click on last tab and see what one is enabled
[01:35] <Blue11> ChogyDan: yes, but I need to tell them WHY it's a bug.  not just file a bug
[01:35] <ar0nic> gnome freak they're all their to enable
[01:35] <gnomefreak> ar0nic: what one is marked 1st middle or last
[01:36] <ar0nic> oh wait it was not clicked wth
[01:36] <kklimonda> Blue11: but if you click "send report" you are going to be taken to the page where you can (1) enter the summary and then enter further informations
[01:36] <ChogyDan> Blue11: yes, you can do that with ubuntu-bug, again, ubuntu-bug will open the webpage where you can fill in all you want  (that is, if it is working proper)
[01:36] <ar0nic> now its on
[01:36] <ar0nic> what are soem goodiesto try
[01:36] <gnomefreak> :)
[01:36] <Blue11> ChogyDan: okay it never opened a web page just a small block -
[01:36] <kklimonda> Blue11: if it doesn't open any webpage *after* you click "send report" then it is a bug in ubuntu-bug.
[01:36] <ar0nic> now its working thanks, what are some goodies or favorites
[01:36] <gnomefreak> other option is to open web browser -> go to launchpad.net -> file a bug report
[01:37] <gnomefreak> once it is done just use apport-collect bug#
[01:37] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: I think it redirects to the wiki for non-developers
[01:37] <Blue11> kklimonda: it just opens up apport
[01:37] <kklimonda> Blue11: but apport have a Send Report button or not?
[01:37] <Blue11> gnomefreak: that's what I am telling you I've been there but ther eis no place to file a report
[01:37] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: why would it? you dont need to be a dev to file a bug report
[01:37] <ChogyDan> blue11: http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/e2fsprogs/+filebug?no-redirect
[01:37] <Blue11> kklimonda: yes, but no place to enter any data
[01:38] <kklimonda> Blue11: but if you press send report you are going to be redirected to the page where you can enter more data
[01:38] <Blue11> kklimonda: no i wasn;t
[01:38] <Blue11> ChogyDan: thank you!
[01:38] <ChogyDan> Blue11: if you file a bug that way, they want you to run apport-collect bug_number          that will collect the data that ubuntu-bug would have collected
[01:38] <gnomefreak> Blue11: go to the page that ChogyDan gave you and starrt with entering the Summary than hit next and so on
[01:39] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: it wasn't it disabled for non-developers (and members of the ubuntu-bugcontrol) - "normal" users were supposed to be redirected to the https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ReportingBugs#Filing%20bugs%20at%20Launchpad.net
[01:39] <kklimonda> or did I miss a memo that it has been restored?
[01:40] <gnomefreak> i never got that memo
[01:40] <gnomefreak> or my dog ate it
[01:41] <gnomefreak> the link given doesnt say who can and cant
[01:41] <gnomefreak> just says if you cant
[01:41] <Lounge> can anyone predict when the jockey/nvidia proprietary drivers will be fixed for lucid?
[01:41]  * gnomefreak are not borken
[01:41] <gnomefreak> broken
[01:41] <Lounge> will it be ready for beta-2
[01:42] <gnomefreak> Lounge: if i had to guess you cant get them is due to upstream installer being broken?
[01:42] <ChogyDan> nvidia was working at alpha 2 or 3  for me
[01:42] <Lounge> they're not working for me
[01:42] <Lounge> they fail to load during bootup
[01:42] <gnomefreak> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1#Known%20issues  look there
[01:42] <Blue11> success!
[01:43] <Lounge> i think the reason is, a conflict with mesa
[01:43] <kklimonda> Lounge: the ones from repository?
[01:43] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: where did you get the memo?
[01:43] <Lounge> and plus my lucid is installed on an encrypted lvm
[01:43] <Lounge> kklimonda: yes
[01:44] <Lounge> just used jokey to enable nividia current-version
[01:44] <Lounge> jockey*
[01:44] <Lounge> sry for typoes
[01:44] <Blue11> ChogyDan: thanks
[01:45] <ChogyDan> Blue11: np, whew!
[01:45] <Lounge> system boots fine on the default driver but when the nvidia drivers are enabled? no xorg
[01:46] <Lounge> in fact the system freezes up too
[01:46] <gnomefreak> try one of the other 2 drivers
[01:46] <Lounge> gnomefreak: i did
[01:46] <gnomefreak> im using nvidia-current and no problem here
[01:46] <Lounge> same situation
[01:46] <gnomefreak> what card?
[01:47] <ChogyDan> Lounge: try removing plymouth
[01:47] <Blue11> lounge which version ru using?
[01:47] <Lounge> nvidia geforce
[01:47] <gnomefreak> 195.36.15-0ubuntu1 works here on a 6200
[01:47] <Blue11> Lounge: can you do:  lspci | grep VGA and paste it here
[01:47] <gnomefreak> you mean in pastebin
[01:48] <Blue11> no it will only be one line
[01:48] <gnomefreak> Blue11: assuming he has 1 card
[01:48] <Lounge> yes but i'll need to chroot into lucid first
[01:48] <Blue11> gnomefreak: yes
[01:48] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: I'm surprised - I know it had been disabled for some time but now it looks like everyone can report just fine if they have a direct link to the bug page for the package. Only "Report a bug" link from the https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu redirects people to wiki
[01:49] <gnomefreak> assuming things like that get people in trouble :)
[01:49] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: apport being disabled? like they do closer to release?
[01:49] <Blue11> Lounge: you'll get something like this:  00:0d.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation C61 [GeForce 6150SE nForce 430] (rev a2)
[01:49] <Lounge> Blue11: nVidia Corporation G73 [GeForce 7600 GS] (rev a1)
[01:49] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: no - the link on the launchpad
[01:49] <ChogyDan> Lounge: is that a fanless card?  do you have more than one monitor?
[01:50] <Blue11> Lounge: 32 bit or 64?
[01:50] <Lounge> one monitor and the card has a fan
[01:50] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: this is first im hearing about it :(
[01:50] <Lounge> 32
[01:50] <Blue11> Lounge: are you using the 185 driver by chance?
[01:50] <Lounge> Blue11: might it have something to do with cryptsetup and plymouth?
[01:51] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: when non-developers click on the "Report a bug" on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu page they are redirected to wiki, I've been sure that all "Report a bug" links redirect to wiki but it doesn't seem to be a case.
[01:51] <Blue11> Lounge: dunno that is beyond my knowledge level
[01:51] <gnomefreak> Lounge: depends on the errors that you are getting
[01:51] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: the discussion about it took place some months ago - the consensus was that encouraging people to use ubuntu-bug is going to raise the quality of bugs reported
[01:51] <gnomefreak> unlikely though
[01:51] <Blue11> Lounge: i do know when I tried to encrypt my home directory that lucid woulnd't boot
[01:51] <Lounge> will in lucid it was the curent-version but in the other ubuntu its 180
[01:52] <Blue11> Lounge: i've had problems with the 185 driver
[01:52] <Blue11> but 64 bit
[01:52] <gnomefreak> *-current is 195.36.15-0ubuntu1
[01:52] <Lounge> Blue11: i had to make sure that the encrypted drive was in crypttab
[01:52] <gnomefreak> should be for him as well
[01:53] <Lounge> i've tried all three drivers
[01:53] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: but than why couldnt he use ubuntu-bug :(
[01:53] <Blue11> things are a tad screwy in the 64 bit enviorn
[01:53] <Lounge> all froze after last stage boot
[01:53] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: it sounds like a bug in ubuntu-bug itself if it didn't open a browser :/
[01:53] <gnomefreak> Lounge: there should be a log file in /var/log i cant recall the name off hand but your errors should be in there
[01:53] <Blue11> Lounge: try dmesg
[01:53] <Lounge> alright i'll look
[01:54] <Blue11> /var/log/messages
[01:54] <gnomefreak> kklimonda: i tried it with him and it worked but i dont know
[01:54] <gnomefreak> jockey.log might say something since you are trying with jockey
[01:55] <gnomefreak> it should give you an idea on what it is failing on like if it is failing to build dkms
[01:55] <kklimonda> Lounge: how do they fail to load btw?
[01:56] <Lounge> 25.731788] JBD: barrier-based sync failed on dm-1:8 - disabling barriers
[01:56] <Lounge> 27.767949] JBD: barrier-based sync failed on dm-6:8 - disabling barriers
[01:56] <Lounge> 27.836496] JBD: barrier-based sync failed on dm-8:8 - disabling barriers
[01:56] <Lounge> 30.819540] JBD: barrier-based sync failed on dm-7:8 - disabling barriers
[01:56] <Lounge> i have no idea but there's allot of stuf in that file
[01:56] <kklimonda> Lounge: it doesn't look related to nvidia
[01:57] <gnomefreak> i agree that doesnt look like nvidia. what file is that in?
[01:58] <Blue11> okay need a break - thanks for all your help tonight
[01:59]  * gnomefreak needs sleep
[01:59] <gnomefreak> i have ~10 minutes before i can log off
[02:00] <Lounge> looks like there's a conflict with mesa and nouveufb
[02:00] <Lounge> fb: conflicting fb hw usage nouveaufb vs VESA VGA - removing generic driver
[02:00] <Lounge> [   19.751242] Disabling lock debugging due to kernel taint
[02:00] <Lounge> [   19.751237] nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
[02:01] <Lounge> ok the info was in dmesg.0
[02:01] <Lounge> were can i upload this?
[02:01] <Lounge> this file
[02:01] <kklimonda> Lounge: pastebin.com
[02:01] <z0mb1e_kgd> Hi. Got alpha ubuntu 10.04 installed, then updated all packages - the system crashes 3 seconds after startup, the screen turns black and after that there is no hd activity. any ideas how to fix this?
[02:01] <Lounge> ok
[02:02] <kklimonda> Lounge: upload also the right Xorg log
[02:02] <gnomefreak> i would file a bug on that X is kind of important at this stage in cycle
[02:02] <kklimonda> there are a few in /var/log/
[02:02] <kklimonda> the right one is the one which have errors in it ;)
[02:02]  * gnomefreak uses pastebinit (takes the thinking out of pastebin
[02:02] <gnomefreak> )*
[02:02] <kklimonda> true
[02:03] <kklimonda> it should be installed by default :)
[02:03] <z0mb1e_kgd> anybody?
[02:04] <gnomefreak> not a bad idea. i have a custom xul file but a simple one using ubuntus pastebin would be great at least for next cycle
[02:04] <Lounge> http://pastebin.com/CasN3KUp
[02:04] <gnomefreak> z0mb1e_kgd: could be kernel could be hard drive
[02:05] <kklimonda> Lounge: it shouldn't happen - do you have /usr on a different partition?
[02:05] <z0mb1e_kgd> x crash is more likely
[02:05] <gnomefreak> could be anything except HAL
[02:05] <Lounge> kklimonda: yes
[02:05] <gnomefreak> z0mb1e_kgd: hd isnt spinning X is likely a symptom
[02:05] <kklimonda> Lounge: there is a bug about it
[02:05] <brian_> question
[02:06] <kklimonda> Lounge: basically when you install nvidia it's supposed to blacklist nouveau but they way it is done doesn't work when /usr is on a different partition than /
[02:06] <Lounge> it works fine on jaunty
[02:06] <kklimonda> Lounge: bug 538071
[02:06] <Lounge> ok i'll read it
[02:07] <brian_> I lost all permissions to mount usb, and nothing will let me change it
[02:07] <kklimonda> brian_: ubuntu-bug storage
[02:07]  * gnomefreak must be really tired it looked like someone said it worked on Jaunty
[02:07] <kklimonda> gnomefreak: :D
[02:08] <gnomefreak> :)
[02:08] <z0mb1e_kgd> could you tell how to switch X to some "safe mode" or like?
[02:08] <Lounge> how did the fix get added to this?
[02:09] <kklimonda> z0mb1e_kgd: try booting with the nomodeset parameter
[02:09] <kklimonda> Lounge: it didn't yet
[02:09] <kklimonda> Lounge: as you can see bug is "Triaged" which means that it's not fixed yet
[02:09] <Lounge> yes but there's talk about the temporary fix
[02:10] <Lounge> to modify and include 'and local-filesystems' to the start line. This seems to slow down the boot process, but the driver was blacklisted.
[02:10] <Lounge> is in the udev.conf?
[02:11] <kklimonda> Lounge: frankly, if you can't figure it out please don't edit this file - it can break your login completel
[02:11] <kklimonda> Lounge: yes, you have to edit /etc/init/udev.conf
[02:12] <Lounge> ok i'll add that in and try to boot into lucid with the enabled nvidia drivers
[02:12] <bjsnider> i'm surprised how many people mount /usr on a separate partition
[02:13] <Lounge> i like keeping the root system under 5 GiB
[02:13] <kklimonda> bjsnider: there are still a lot of people who sell good advices like "make 5 partitions - / /usr /home /var and swap"
[02:13] <kklimonda> Lounge: for any particular reason?
[02:13] <cafuego> Ugh no. make 2. /boot and lvm
[02:13] <z0mb1e_kgd> nomodeset gave no results
[02:13] <Lounge> keep things seperate
[02:14] <bjsnider> home should be separate. other than that, i don't know why any of it needs to be
[02:14] <kklimonda> I have one big pile of data mounted as / and swap.
[02:14] <kklimonda> works perfect
[02:14] <cafuego> bjsnider: on a server, /var as well.
[02:14] <kklimonda> probably because I have only one disk
[02:14] <cafuego> Don't want logs filling up /
[02:14] <bjsnider> cafuego, so it's for /var/log?
[02:14] <bjsnider> run a cron script that deletes them
[02:14] <kklimonda> logrotate ftw
[02:15] <Lounge> makes it easier to do lvm snapshots
[02:15] <cafuego> logs, /var/www, /var/lib/mysql etc etc
[02:15] <Lounge> for me that is
[02:15] <cafuego> mail
[02:15] <cafuego> you name it, it grows uncontrollably
[02:15] <kklimonda> cafuego: it makes sense on servers - sure
[02:16] <cafuego> kklimonda: On desktops and laptops I keep /home and the various different distro root partitions separate - usually by way of LVM.
[02:17] <kklimonda> right - I just don't do dualboot at all
[02:17] <kklimonda> I use VMs extensively though
[02:17] <cafuego> My desktop doesn't, but the laptop has 6 odd Linuxes and 2 windows versions on it.
[02:17] <kklimonda> (and sharing /home between various distributions is a questionable solution)
[02:17] <z0mb1e_kgd> any other ideas how to switch X to a safe mode other than nomodeset?
[02:17] <cafuego> LVM just makes adding disk sooooo much easier I default to using it.
[02:18] <kklimonda> z0mb1e_kgd: does it start in the recovery mode?
[02:18] <cafuego> kklimonda: I don't share /home - there's a main /home for Ubuntu, the others just have a dir on /
[02:18] <Lounge> why does the choice of adding /usr to its own partition make for errors? the system should be able to handle a choice like that
[02:19] <Some_Person> Why does plymouth show up on shutdown but not on startup for me?
[02:19] <cafuego> Lounge: Yes. Bug-free software can cope with that.
[02:19] <Lounge> indeed
[02:19] <kklimonda> Lounge: it's still a development release so bugs like that are to be expected.
[02:19] <cafuego> Unfortunately there is no bug-free software :-)
[02:20] <Lounge> well it just sounded like /usr became a moral issue rather than a tech
[02:20] <Lounge> lol
[02:20] <kklimonda> Lounge: the separate /usr on desktops is a really uncommon setup
[02:20] <Lounge> yeah and thats fine
[02:20] <Lounge> easier to backup all the apps
[02:20] <Lounge> alone
[02:20] <cafuego> why would you bother with that?
[02:20] <cafuego> dpkg --get-selections > software.txt
[02:21] <kklimonda> cafuego: hmm.. this list is way too long and it's going to mark every package as manually installed :)
[02:22] <z0mb1e_kgd> no, I make a hard turn-off after system freezes and then grub gives a usual menu after turning on. I choose non-recovery-mode option and then it passes the same load-crash cycle
[02:22] <cafuego> But it takes a LOT less time to abck up a text file than 10GB of /usr
[02:22] <Lounge> i'll brb
[02:22] <kklimonda> cafuego: true
[02:22] <Lounge> gonna tinker some more with lucid now
[02:22] <kklimonda> z0mb1e_kgd: and if you choose a recovery mode it works?
[02:23] <z0mb1e_kgd> just as a console
[02:23] <kklimonda> z0mb1e_kgd: and if you start a safe X session it loads fine?
[02:24] <z0mb1e_kgd> nomodeset gives no result
[02:24] <kklimonda> what card do you have?
[02:25] <z0mb1e_kgd> an integrated one. asus a3500l laptop
[02:29] <nick125> Hey everyone. I was wondering if anyone here was able to install the linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic package. It fails here, as it tries to install linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-17-generic, which is a virtual.
[02:32] <nick125> I'm having some issues with throughput with the iwl3945 driver, which is why I'm trying to install the backports. I've had the issue since I upgraded to Karmic.
[02:33] <Sarvatt> what does uname -r say?
[02:33] <nick125> 2.6.32-17-generic
[02:34] <Sarvatt> will try as soon as my current upgrade is done
[02:34] <z0mb1e_kgd> kklimonda: interesting that I type "startx" from a rec-mode console, X loads successfully, but crashes after "Applications" menu mouseclick
[02:35] <nick125> Sarvatt: Thanks.
[02:35] <lucian_> ok nvidia works thanks to the temporary fix
[02:35] <nick125> I think the issue I'm having is with iwl3945, as if I rmmod/modprobe it, I get normal throughput.
[02:35] <Sarvatt> just curious, are you using any PPA's with linux-backports in it like xorg-edgers?
[02:35] <nick125> Let me check
[02:35] <nick125> I think all of my PPAs were disabled when I upgraded to the beta, and I never got around to reenabling them.
[02:36] <nick125> Yep. All of the PPAs are disabled.
[02:37] <Sarvatt> i wish upgrades actually reverted all of the packages in PPAs instead of just disabling them from sources, i've got newer packages in xorg-edgers than whats in lucid for karmic so those dont get upgraded and causes all kinds of problems
[02:39] <Sarvatt> yep its broken  at the moment
[02:39] <Sarvatt>   linux-backports-modules-wireless-lucid-generic: Depends: linux-backports-modules-wireless-2.6.32-17-generic but it is not installable
[02:39] <Sarvatt> E: Broken packages
[02:40] <nick125> Fun.
[02:40] <Sarvatt> doesn't look like theres a linux-backports-modules package for 2.6.32-17 yet in the archives
[02:40]  * nick125 stabs iwl3945 in the face
[02:42] <Sarvatt> just asked about it in #ubuntu-kernel
[02:43] <MTughan> Is there any way that I can force status bar items to use white text? The Skype item uses black text on a dark background.
[02:51] <myk_robinson> anyone else having issues with upgrading the alsa backports module?
[02:54] <Sarvatt> myk_robinson: yeah no linux-backports-modules for 2.6.32-17 yet, someone else just asked 10 minutes ago :D
[02:55] <myk_robinson> thanks, just got here
[02:55] <myk_robinson> I guess it'll get updated in time, though
[02:56] <Some_Person> Why the heck does update-manager use so much CPU?
[03:06] <vbabiy> hey is there any way to stream your mic sound to you speakers
[03:11] <bbordwell> Some_Person, The packages that get downloaded are compressed to save bandwidth and it takes some work to upack them
[03:11] <dotblank> vbabiy, pactl load-module module-loopback
[03:12] <vbabiy> dotblank, got any any idea how to limit the delay
[03:13] <dotblank> vbabiy, depends on your hardware but if you are looking for realtime usage of your sound card I would use jack
[03:13] <vbabiy> well I am on a USB mic
[03:13] <vbabiy> I am using the snowball
[03:14] <dotblank> usb+pulse is going to have some latency
[03:14] <vbabiy> ok, thanks alot.
[03:14] <dotblank> jack might solve that though
[03:15] <vbabiy> dotblank, is there any way to enable this in the UI?
[03:16] <dotblank> not really. Installing and using jack can be quite trivial for those who haven't used jack before
[03:17] <vbabiy> well, I will stick with this for now, is there any way to disable it?
[03:18] <KruyKaze> i updated may laptop and desktop to lucid and i still have the same remote viewer problem that was supposed to be fixed in xorg
[03:18] <KruyKaze> is there a fix?
[03:20] <vbabiy> dotblank, I have tried the unload-module with no luck
[03:25] <MTughan> How can I add more options to the VPN support in NetworkManager? I was able to do it in Fedora.
[03:29] <nick125> MTughan: Install packages that begin with network-manager- ..i.e., network-manager-vpnc, etc.
[03:30] <MTughan> nick125: Oh, there it goes. It wasn't showing up in the Add dialog before.
[03:37] <switchgirl> last fm not able to scroble mp3's from rhythmbox
[03:39] <switchgirl> ahhhh
[03:39] <switchgirl> no its working just not showing up in rhythmbox
[03:39] <switchgirl> (it does make it to last fm but not back again
[03:47] <switchgirl> but in mangatune the genre is not showing
[03:48] <Sensiva> Did anyone managed to fix vbox and xorg problem in Lucid?
[03:48]  * switchgirl isn't having lucid problems
[04:00] <lucian_> is there anyway i can shut down pulseaudio or restart it?
[04:02] <Blue11> audio is quite fubar here as well
[04:04]  * switchgirl has a smile (ot) twitter fail whale
[04:04] <switchgirl> my old buddy my old pall where have you been
[04:04] <lucian_> i dont unbderstand why ubuntu is becoming more and more dependant on pa, i would like to shut it down but it refuses
[04:04]  * switchgirl missed the fail whale
[04:05] <switchgirl> pa?
[04:05] <lucian_> pulseaudio
[04:05]  * switchgirl points to the sign that says"dn us abv c th r sly"
[04:05] <switchgirl> kk
[04:06] <switchgirl> go to system
[04:06] <switchgirl> then administration
[04:06] <switchgirl> system monitor
[04:06] <switchgirl> procsesses
[04:06] <switchgirl> and click terminate
[04:06] <switchgirl> *i wont hold responsible for any sys fails
[04:07] <lucian_> pulseaudio will not kill, it just restarts itself right away
[04:08] <lucian_> i would like to shut it down
[04:08] <Blue11> pulseaudio is really choppy here
[04:09] <Blue11> this card works well in 9.10 and suse -- 00:0a.0 Multimedia audio controller: Cirrus Logic CS 4614/22/24/30 [CrystalClear SoundFusion Audio Accelerator] (rev 01)
[04:09] <Blue11> but not lucid
[04:09] <switchgirl> works fine here
[04:13] <lucian_> so i installed pulseaudio and it took the ubuntu-desktop with it too?
[04:13] <lucian_> uninstalled*
[04:13] <DShepherd> is there anyway to shutdown the machine without the mouse.. via the menus?
[04:13] <DShepherd> menus = applications/places/system menu
[04:13] <Blue11> sudo init 6 if you have a terminal window open
[04:14] <nick125> sudo shutdown -h now
[04:14] <Blue11> ahh i knew there was another way --
[04:14] <nick125> :)
[04:14] <Blue11> but my method works on SUSE too!
[04:14] <nick125> So does shutdown -h now
[04:14] <DShepherd> Blue11, nick125 ok.. hmm.. so if you dont have a mouse or a pointing device.. then to the terminal it is
[04:15] <Blue11> alt f2
[04:15] <DShepherd> Blue11, nick125 ok thanks. I was just missing the shutdown menu under System
[04:15] <DShepherd> menu item*
[04:16] <DShepherd> I guess removing the Shutdown menu item from the System menu was deliberate..
[04:16] <DShepherd> ?
[04:17] <DShepherd> is there a shortcut key to the me menu?
[04:19] <Blue11> yeah
[04:19] <Blue11> but the alt f2 brings up a run window
[04:19] <wolter> has somebody experienced very late wifi problems?
[04:20] <wolter> with kernel 16-generic
[04:20] <Blue11> wolter: like what exactly?
[04:20] <wolter> like wifi not working
[04:21] <wolter> and preventing itself from being enabled at the network manager applet
[04:21] <Blue11> wolter: I had an issue with 9.10 - I have NOT put this onto my netbook
[04:22] <Blue11> wolter: there seems to be a problem in that area system notification tray -- I have gnome typing monitor runnig, and it;s no where to be found
[04:22] <wolter> oh
[04:23] <wolter> yeah well, its expected to have weird issues while using a beta
[04:23] <wolter> anyray, going to get on my 16-generic kernel to see whats up
[04:23] <lucian_> can i go back to the older volume controll applet? the one that doesn't wait for pulseaduio?
[04:23] <Blue11> yes
[04:23] <Aidar-Nagato> hello
[04:23] <Blue11> that was a yes to wolter
[04:23] <arand> Issues with -17 ?
[04:25] <crimsun> lucian_: erm, why did you uninstall pulse?
[04:25] <Aidar-Nagato> how can i look which driver is linux trying to use, if i can load normally only old version of kernel (look like it don't recognize my videocard and use only vesa)
[04:25] <crimsun> Blue11: that's a kernel issue; I'm working on it in my spare time (right now I'm traveling for work)
[04:26] <crimsun> Aidar-Nagato: lspci -v does
[04:26] <Blue11> crimsun: yeah the audio is really choppy here...
[04:27] <crimsun> Blue11: again, I know about it, but I don't have any hardware to test, and I'm very busy
[04:27] <Blue11> crimsun: if I can help test, let me know.
[04:27] <crimsun> so, fingers-crossed, I fix the register read-retry-read crap next week
[04:28] <Aidar-Nagato> crimsun, there is no info about driver
[04:28] <crimsun> Aidar-Nagato: are you talking about the kernel driver or some other driver, like X.Org?
[04:28] <JohnFlux> The close button etc is now on the left in gnome..   what about in KDE?
[04:29] <JohnFlux> Has KDE basically been left untouched?
[04:29] <JohnFlux> I guess I should say kwin and metacity ?
[04:29] <Blue11> JohnFlux: good question-- I don't use kde so don't know
[04:30] <crimsun> JohnFlux: it's configurable, but no, it hasn't been switched
[04:30] <Aidar-Nagato> crimsun, i removed all xorg video drivers except of xserver-xorg-video-vesa (because if i install any other i can see only black screen on newer version)
[04:31] <Aidar-Nagato> crimsun, but yesterday i updated vesa driver and now it doesn't work
[04:31] <JohnFlux> crimsun: kwin has that option?
[04:31] <JohnFlux> crimsun: upstream?
[04:31] <Aidar-Nagato> crimsun, i can't load even recovery mode
[04:32] <Blue11> oh updates today to kdelibs5
[04:33] <arand> Aidar-Nagato: Is that when booting the new kernel?
[04:34] <Aidar-Nagato> yes
[04:34] <Aidar-Nagato> old kernel is working fine
[04:35] <Aidar-Nagato> but i need new kernel, because old one doesn't recognize network card
[04:35] <arand> Aidar-Nagato: Same here, -16 works -17 not, any good bug # ref for this?
[04:36] <Aidar-Nagato> arand, no, i observed it only now (but i use 2.6.34)
[04:41] <Aidar-Nagato> arand, what videocard do you use?
[04:42] <arand> Aidar-Nagato: nvid 8600gt (on xps1530)
[04:43] <Aidar-Nagato> arand, radeonhd 5470
[04:44] <Depot102> Wondering if anyones' successfully been able to get Lucid + Kernel 2.6.33 working with trim on a Raid1/0 setup. I understand Lucid shops with 2.6.32 which doesn't natively have TRIM but I've gone ahead and installed 2.6.33 but uncertain as to if it is working.
[04:53] <JohnFlux> I know this is a bit late in the process..
[04:53] <arand> I'm off ti see if I can get some useful logs off this boot fail...
[04:53] <JohnFlux> but Lynx allocates way too much swap
[04:53] <JohnFlux> can we adjust that please?
[04:53] <JohnFlux> I really don't need 10GB of swap!!
[04:54] <arand> JohnFlux: bugreport or #ubuntu-installer, or both.
[04:54] <JohnFlux> hmm, actually it was 9.10  that allocated 10GB of swap.  I haven't checked if 10.04  does the same
[04:55] <bbordwell> JohnFlux, you have 4gb of ram correct?
[04:55] <Aidar-Nagato> arand, i installed http://ru.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/x/xserver-xorg-video-vesa/xserver-xorg-video-vesa_2.3.0-1_amd64.deb and now it works
[04:55] <JohnFlux> bbordwell: right
[04:55] <JohnFlux> bbordwell: well, 3GB recognised (without PAE)
[04:56] <bbordwell> JohnFlux, The default option is to make the swap 2.5x the ram. This is to ensure suspend will work even if you are using all of your ram
[04:56] <bbordwell> JohnFlux, It is the safest default, if you want a different value you can change it by specifying partitions manually
[04:57] <jameswf> so has anyone really got an Ipod touch to sync or is it an urban legend...
[04:57] <JohnFlux> bbordwell: oh, I see
[04:57] <JohnFlux> bbordwell: that makes sense
[04:57] <JohnFlux> jameswf: apple hates you
[04:57] <jameswf> true
[04:57] <JohnFlux> jameswf: no I'm serious.  If they cared about users at all, they would have just made it a mass storage device
[04:58] <JohnFlux> like my N900
[04:58]  * JohnFlux cuddles his N900
[04:58]  * jameswf considers jailbreaking but shouldn't have to...
[04:59] <JohnFlux> bbordwell: hum, your explanation is very reasonable, but ..  hum, I wonder if swapfiles should be used instead then by default
[04:59] <JohnFlux> bbordwell: 10GB still somehow seems unreasonable
[04:59] <JohnFlux> bbordwell: does suspend to disk work with swapfiles?
[05:00] <bbordwell> JohnFlux, yes
[05:00] <JohnFlux> hmm, a quick google says no
[05:00] <bbordwell> JohnFlux, I am sorry i meant hibernate
[05:00] <JohnFlux> right me too
[05:00] <JohnFlux> "Hibernation (suspend-to-disk) The hibernation feature (suspend-to-disk) writes out the contents of RAM to the swap partition before turning off the machine. Therefore, your swap partition should be at least as big as your RAM size. The hibernation implementation currently used in Ubuntu, swsusp, needs a swap or suspend partition. It cannot use a swap file on an active file system. "
[05:01] <bbordwell> JohnFlux, why do you use 32bit anyway?
[05:02] <JohnFlux> bbordwell: I ran 64 bit for a few years, but there's always the little things that don't work
[05:02] <JohnFlux> bbordwell: and at the moment I need to use scratchbox heavily, with arm emulation etc.   I don't think that works in 64bit
[05:03] <JohnFlux> bbordwell: I want to test out PAE though
[05:04] <patdk-lap> heh, I found my 64bit cpu's I have don't support pae
[05:04] <patdk-lap> so I was forced to go 64bit
[05:05] <JohnFlux> patdk-lap: does  cat /proc/cpuinfo  say pae?
[05:05] <JohnFlux> patdk-lap: my laptop says pae, but a pae kernel doesn't boot on it
[05:05] <patdk-lap> ye
[05:05] <patdk-lap> yep
[05:06] <JohnFlux> patdk-lap: and what happens if you try to use pae?
[05:06] <JohnFlux> if you remember
[05:06] <patdk-lap> won't boot, kernel panic
[05:06] <basix> Is it out yet?! =D
[05:08] <JohnFlux> basix: you should save a keystroke and use ‽
[05:08] <patdk-lap> I just wanted to get the rest of my ram to be usable
[05:08] <patdk-lap> this is on my laptop
[05:08] <patdk-lap> switched to 64bit on jaunty
[05:08] <basix> JohnFlux, =( i dont have it on my laptop!
[05:09] <JohnFlux> basix: hmm, take a bunch then:  ‽‽‽‽‽‽‽‽
[05:09] <JohnFlux> basix: use them wisely.
[05:09] <basix> damn you JohnFlux. Dont make fun of us poor guys who cant afford ?! on their keyboards! =/
[05:10] <JohnFlux> actually I don't think any keyboard has it
[05:11] <basix> JohnFlux, yes. I found one ‽‽‽‽‽ =)
[05:12] <patdk-lap> cut and paste is easier :) ‽
[05:12] <basix> hm
[05:12] <patdk-lap> if only I could get firefox to use <10gigs of ram :(
[05:12] <JohnFlux> patdk-lap: there's an addon that frees up the cache every few minutes
[05:13] <JohnFlux> patdk-lap: reduces memory usage to rd
[05:13] <JohnFlux> patdk-lap: reduces memory usage to 3rd
[05:16] <patdk-lap> don't see one (except for windows)
[05:17] <syn-ack> I've never seen the point in using pae with a 64 bit proc anyway
[05:17] <syn-ack> JohnFlux: what's the name of that addon by chance?
[05:17] <JohnFlux> oh yeah it was for windows only
[05:17] <JohnFlux> I forget the name, but it sounds like patdk-lap found it
[05:18] <patdk-lap> afom
[05:19] <syn-ack> well, that sucks majorly
[05:19] <patdk-lap> my firefox normally sits at 2gigs of ram
[05:20] <patdk-lap> but it used 12gigs today, dunno why
[05:20] <syn-ack> flash perhaps?
[05:20] <patdk-lap> no pages with flash where open
[05:22] <patdk-lap> what I did was start bluefish
[05:22] <patdk-lap> bluefish never finished starting up
[05:22] <patdk-lap> and firefox filled my 12gigs of swapfile :(
[05:22] <JohnFlux> I have the problem that firefox sometimes uses 100% CPU
[05:22] <patdk-lap> JohnFlux, I have that all the time
[05:22] <JohnFlux> I don't use any plugins
[05:22] <JohnFlux> not even adblock
[05:22] <patdk-lap> flash/refreshs do that
[05:22] <patdk-lap> I think animated gif's also do
[05:23] <patdk-lap> on tabs that aren't active :(
[05:23] <syn-ack> you know, I remember when Firefox wasnt a damned memory hog... it's starting to get to the point of where mozzy was in footprint
[05:23] <patdk-lap> on my single core machine, it's a pain, everything pauses for like 5seconds, while webmail refreshs
[05:24] <patdk-lap> I only wish opera was slightly more compatable
[05:24] <patdk-lap> it's javascript seems to finally be good now
[05:25] <patdk-lap> opera mini 5 is freaking great on my blackberry
[05:25] <AbortD> does anyone get kernel errors in lucid?'
[05:26] <AbortD> or know how to fix em
[05:26] <syn-ack> define "kernel errors"
[05:26] <patdk-lap> I don't :)
[05:26] <syn-ack> as in oopses? or what?
[05:26] <AbortD> says something like something made the kernel go critical or something
[05:26] <syn-ack> do your keyboard lights flash then and it doesnt boot?
[05:27] <AbortD> no and im on a laptop so i have no keyboard lights
[05:27] <AbortD> it boots
[05:27] <AbortD> its just like when im sitting here the kernel crashes
[05:27] <AbortD> out of no where
[05:27] <syn-ack> so you're not doing anything at all when it oopses?
[05:28] <AbortD> nopr
[05:28] <AbortD> nope
[05:28] <syn-ack> what does your syslog say?
[05:28] <AbortD> syslog?
[05:28] <AbortD> :P
[05:28] <syn-ack> or sysklog
[05:28] <AbortD> how do i view that :P
[05:28] <syn-ack> which version of Ubuntu are you running I should ask first
[05:29] <AbortD> lucid
[05:29] <AbortD> beta 1
[05:29] <syn-ack> well, we're all running B1 if we're updated. ;)
[05:29] <AbortD> yup :P
[05:30] <syn-ack> wtf
[05:30] <syn-ack> where did /var/log/messages go
[05:31] <AbortD> lol
[05:31] <syn-ack> I
[05:31] <syn-ack> err
[05:32] <syn-ack> I've not looked into /var/log in a long time apparently, there's only a few logs I work with exclusively
[05:32] <syn-ack> hold on a couple while I look up where the system logger now logs to
[05:32] <AbortD> which ones is that?
[05:32] <syn-ack> apparmor and audit
[05:33] <valley> Is there a powerpc build for Ubuntu 10.04 Beta?
[05:34] <AbortD> welp im off to install ubuntu on my other pc while this updates
[05:34] <syn-ack> AbortD: does "sudo dmesg" say anything about an OOPS
[05:34] <syn-ack> ?
[05:34] <syn-ack> dont go yet, man
[05:35] <AbortD> hehe im already updating so i dont think i can sudo can i
[05:35] <bazhang> valley, just a moment, checking
[05:35] <syn-ack> open another terminal and you can
[05:36] <bazhang> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ports/daily/current/ valley
[05:37] <AbortD> says a ton syn
[05:37] <syn-ack> no
[05:37] <syn-ack> np even
[05:37] <syn-ack> AbortD: so, did it say anything?
[05:37] <AbortD> it said so much term couldnt hold it
[05:37] <valley> thanks
[05:38] <AbortD> is there a small version of ubuntu that i can install the main system with then the rest after that
[05:38] <syn-ack> AbortD: dmesg | less
[05:38] <syn-ack> AbortD: use the alternate installer
[05:38] <AbortD> whats that?
[05:39] <syn-ack> it's a text based installer that allows more flexibility over the live CD
[05:40] <AbortD> how do i do that
[05:40] <MikeChelen> !alternate
[05:40] <MikeChelen> download the alternate cd
[05:40] <syn-ack> ah, there is a mini installer too it seems. :P
[05:41] <syn-ack> never used that one
[05:41] <syn-ack> MikeChelen: I think he's actually after the mini installer
[05:42] <AbortD> i am
[05:42] <MikeChelen> ah ok, net installer?
[05:43] <MikeChelen> err "minimal"
[05:43] <MikeChelen> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation/MinimalCD
[05:44] <AbortD> wow only 12 megs?
[05:45] <syn-ack> MikeChelen: How new is the ubuntu mini installer? has to be really really recent otherwise I'd have been using that for a LONG time now
[05:45] <AbortD> what im curious about is how this is gonna work
[05:45] <syn-ack> AbortD: yeah it's only the install environment nothing more, it will then allow you to deselect everything and it will grab it from the archives
[05:46] <AbortD> fuck it im gonna just get the cd image
[05:46] <syn-ack> Thats if it works in the same fashion as debians
[05:46] <syn-ack> AbortD: watch the language please
[05:47] <AbortD> what was before karmic?
[05:47] <bazhang> jaunty
[05:47] <AbortD> wonder if its jaunty on my other pc when did karmic come out?
[05:47] <AbortD> what was release 8?
[05:48] <MikeChelen> syn-ack: looks like since 8 at least, since there are none for 7
[05:48] <syn-ack> AbortD: karmic came out 5 months ago
[05:48] <AbortD> definately not it
[05:48] <MikeChelen> hardy was 8.04
[05:49] <AbortD> prolly hardy
[05:50] <AbortD> cant wait for lucid final
[05:52] <syn-ack> wow
[05:52] <syn-ack> tracker really tracks for crap
[05:53] <syn-ack> I put in IcedTeaPlugin.so to see it's parent and it didnt return any results
[05:53] <cam_> hi there
[05:54] <cam_> i have installed ubuntu lucid, beta 1 . i have some issues with ubuntu one. going to https site, i see there is no computer added yet to my account. going to System Ubuntu One..does not give me any option to enter my login/pass...any idea what i can do ?
[05:57] <MikeChelen> syn-ack: beagle search works way better for me
[05:57] <syn-ack> MikeChelen: yeah, I think I may switch them out now. heh
[05:58] <MikeChelen> syn-ack: there is a 3rd one that is also better than default, but beagle is my fave
[05:59] <MikeChelen> cam_: try going through user menu?
[06:02] <cam_> MikeChelen i tried going System Preferences Ubuntu One ; but nothing shows up.. I have killed the process first; then rm -r .config/ubuntuone ; then launch the client... but nothing showing up
[06:05] <happyaron> where can I find somebody to ask about how to organize a release party?
[06:05] <maco> happyaron: #ubuntu-locoteams might be helpful
[06:05] <happyaron> maco: thanks
[06:05] <wcGary83> hi all!  is it normal for rkhunter to go crazy with failed hash checks in a development release? 76 files have failed...
[06:06] <maco> wcGary83: if it goes by "zomg a file changed!" like tripwire, then itll likely alert on every single file that changes when you install updates
[06:08] <wcGary83> maco: when the release stabilizes, is there a way to reset the hashes?
[06:09] <maco> wcGary83: i dont know. possibley dpkg-reconfigure'ing the package would do it
[06:10] <wcGary83> maco: thanks!
[06:10] <crimsun> the readme in /usr/share/doc/foo would say anyway.
[06:10] <maco> crimsun: when do you fly back?
[06:11] <crimsun> maco: why?
[06:11] <MikeChelen> cam_: try starting ubuntuone-preferences from command line and see if errors appear?
[06:11] <maco> crimsun: housekeeping question
[06:11] <almoxarife> I have tried tracker and beagle and google desktop, the only bullet proof one thus far has been desktop, the other two will have an issue arise needing some fix that takes way too much time
[06:11] <crimsun> maco: what's the deal?
[06:12] <maco> crimsun: want to know when i have to clean by :P
[06:12] <crimsun> maco: then I'm back in an hour :-)
[06:12] <maco> crimsun: oh shush you :P
[06:15] <almoxarife> the kernel upgrade today or yesterday left me with a run-on message in the kern.log taking place every 1 sec, anyone else experience it?
[06:15] <cam_> MikeChelen no error appearing. I got the panel with account (everything blank), devices listed as LOCAL MACHINE. I can click on connect or restart, but nothing appear..
[06:16] <cam_> Services Tab is all grey-ed (no modiffication allowed)
[06:18] <cam_> i have a similar problem listed here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1266447&page=3
[06:19] <MikeChelen> cam_: are ubuntuone-syncdaemon and ubuntuone-login running?
[06:23] <cam_> MikeChelen oh... syncdaemon is not
[06:27] <bbordwell> !info texlive-pstricks
[06:28] <bbordwell> !info texlive-latex-base-doc
[06:29] <bbordwell> !info texlive-latex-base
[06:39] <Martiner> So, the AIT driver bug is gonne be fixed with Lucid beta 2?
[06:40] <crimsun> a bit less vague, please?
[06:40] <AbortD> air?
[06:40] <AbortD> ait i meant
[06:40] <AbortD> ?
[06:41] <Martiner> I mean that the driver for ati graphics cards doesnt work under beta 1, and hopefully will be fixed in beta 2, was wondering if anyone knew if it will?
[06:41] <AbortD> mine works under beta 1
[06:42] <AbortD> ati radeon 3200 hd
[06:42] <AbortD> didnt work under karmic
[06:42] <Martiner> Thats wierd...
[06:43] <Martiner> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/494699
[06:43] <Martiner> I meant the 3d drivers...
[06:43] <Martiner> So its fixed now you mean?
[06:44] <AbortD> the ones you need for opengl?
[06:44] <Martiner> Yeah....
[06:44] <AbortD> sure is works out of the box
[06:44] <Martiner> To enable extra effects and compiz and all that
[06:44] <nascentmind> hi. I have updated my machine to lucid lynx and my xorg crashes after some time. When it crashes my monitor shows a "no signal". I have to do a hard reset. My keyboard too won't work.
[06:44] <AbortD> yup
[06:44] <AbortD> syn-ack
[06:45] <AbortD> well i got some stuff to do
[06:45] <AbortD> nascentmind, syn-ack might be able to help you when he comes back
[06:46] <nascentmind> AbortD, when will he come back?
[06:47] <AbortD> no idea :P
[07:19] <AnxiousNut> I'm testing lucid netbook remix, i've realized i cant do anything to the panel, i cant add to it, move applets, not even create a new one, is this a bug?
[07:22] <thak> Hello, I was wondering whether there is any way to install the sun-java6-jdk in 10.4?
[07:22] <thak> or would I have to reinstall 9.10?
[07:27] <cemc> any ideas on how to get java support to chrome in Lucid?
[07:27] <cemc> when I ugraded, sun-jre was uninstalled, now I have nothing to link to in chrome/plugins
[07:41] <pwuertz> hi, my upgrade from 9.10 to lucid was interrupted and left the system in a half-broken state. Aptitude resumed the upgrade process and everything looks ok for now. Is there procedure usually done by the upgrade procedure that I'm missing now? Is there a way to run the parts of the upgrade script after upgrading all packages?
[07:51] <AnxiousNut> i can not move or add anything in the panel!
[07:51] <yofel> cemc: the open java plugin is called icedtea6-plugin, but you can install sun java6 from the canonical partner repos
[07:55] <ddecator> idk if firefox 3.6 and 3.7 properly support java yet...
[07:56] <ddecator> and i just realized that is unrelated to the current discussion
[07:57] <MindVirus> Can someone please help me? I have no virtual terminals.
[07:57] <MindVirus> I mean, I think I do; it's probably a graphics issue causing the screen to go black.
[07:57] <nascentmind> can i upload the logs from /var/crash as a bug report. I get url open error in apport.
[07:58] <nascentmind> MindVirus, is your xorg stable. Mine just crashes everytime after some usage.
[07:58] <MindVirus> nascentmind: Actually, now that I think about it, it did crash, and my computer shut down completely.
[07:59] <nascentmind> hehe. it didn't shutdown. initially i thought so. the fan will be running.
[08:00] <nascentmind> the screen just goes black and the monitor too loses signal.
[08:00] <TomTom> good morning, is it possible that vdpau with nvidia on 64bit is not working also i cant find the vdpauinfo package for lucid
[08:00] <MindVirus> nascentmind: My computer most certainly shut down.
[08:00] <MindVirus> As in the fans turn off.
[08:00] <nascentmind> and the stupid apport cannot send xorg crash reports as it has url error.
[08:03] <MindVirus> nascentmind: Haha.
[08:19] <cemc> yofel: what does that mean for me as a user?
[08:20] <yofel> not sure, I know that firefox is supposed to ask if java is missing, but I don't know how chromium works there
[08:21] <yofel> cemc: you should get the plugin by installing icedtea6-plugin. should work for most cases
[08:21] <carl> Hi. I installed 10.04 beta (64-bit). Previously I was running 9.10 (64-bit) just fine. Now my laptop randomly crashes: screen goes black and machine is completely unresponsive. RSEIUB even doesn't do anything. No special peripherals connected. Can someone help me track this down please?
[08:26] <Zenker>  i found a script that will change the background in a specific amount of time, how do i use it? here is the script http://pastebin.com/ttkafE87
[08:26] <MindVirus> Ask in #ubuntu.
[08:27] <carl> it just happened again
[08:29] <carl> help? :)
[08:30] <Torrentow_> ?
[08:30] <carl>  Hi. I installed 10.04 beta (64-bit). Previously I was running 9.10 (64-bit) just fine. Now my laptop randomly crashes: screen goes black and machine is completely unresponsive. RSEIUB even doesn't do anything. No special peripherals connected. Can you please help me track this down?
[08:31] <carl> I tried by elimination:
[08:31] <carl> it's not Flash, it's not chrome/firefox/opera, it's not pidgin,
[08:32] <carl> right now I'm only running xchat and connected by wifi. A couple of minutes ago when I first connected, the same happened.
[08:32] <Torrentow_> ati, nvidia or intel graphic?
[08:32] <carl> ATI :(
[08:33] <carl> but my graphics card was not giving me any trouble previously: with or without using proprietary drivers.
[08:33] <carl> (previously = on 9.10)
[08:33] <Torrentow_> carl, change driver to vesa for a moment
[08:33] <carl> in x.org, right?
[08:34] <Torrentow_> in /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[08:34] <carl> btw: I noticed something which may give a clue. In Hardware drivers, previously I could see listed the driver for my ATI. Now (in 10.04) it's not there anymore.
[08:34] <carl> ok let me change that, restart X and get back to you
[08:34] <Torrentow_> and sudo apt-get install vesa
[08:35] <carl> strange... /etc/X11/xorg.conf is empty
[08:35] <carl> or rather doesn't exist.
[08:35] <harisund> carl: the newer X don't use xorg.conf
[08:35] <carl> ah I didn't know that
[08:35] <carl> ok I'll install vesa
[08:35] <carl> package not found
[08:35] <carl> I haven't messed around with the sources..
[08:36] <Torrentow_> apt-cashe search vesa?
[08:37] <Torrentow_> hmn
[08:37] <carl> this command is new to me.. what am I supposed to be looking for? I got a list http://pastebin.com/2B9V7m7a
[08:38] <ddecator> is that supposed to be apt-cache?
[08:39] <carl> yes I think so
[08:39] <carl> Torrentow_ is short on cash, it was a lapsus to write cashe ;)
[08:40] <Torrentow_> oh, i always use apt- + tab key
[08:42] <carl> so where does this place me?
[08:42] <Torrentow_> i use debian and gentoo on my servers, i don't like ubuntu on server
[08:43] <carl> I can imagine it could become bloated on a server.. not ideal.
[08:43] <Torrentow_> at home use gentoo
[08:44] <carl> someday I'll take the leap to install gentoo.. I like how it's highly configurable and customizable, but I'm going to have to devote some time to get that right.
[08:45] <carl> so any ideas how I can go forward with installing vesa?
[08:46] <Torrentow_> try sudo xorg -configure
[08:46] <carl> command not found
[08:47] <Torrentow_> X --configure?
[08:48] <carl> error: unrecognized option: --configure
[08:49] <carl> ah I think it's -configure
[08:49] <zash> dpkg-reconfigure xorg ?
[08:49] <carl> "Server is already active for display 0" and terminates.
[08:49] <carl> zash, nothing happens.
[08:50] <Depot102> Anyone have experience with SSD + Trim on linux
[08:50] <BUGabundo_remote> m0rning
[08:50] <zash> carl: dpkg-reconfigure --force xorg
[08:50] <zash> carl: or what are you trying to do
[08:50] <carl> zash: previously running 9.10-64, all was fine,
[08:51] <carl> installed (clean install) 10.04-64, now the laptop crashes randomly: black screen, totally unresponsive (even to RSEIUB)
[08:51] <carl> even running nothing, it crashes.
[08:51] <carl> now I found something strange:
[08:52] <carl> I have an ATI card (radeon HD 34xx series),
[08:52] <carl> and under Hardware Drivers, I don't see the driver listed there. It's totally empty.
[08:52] <BUGabundo_remote> Depot102: nope, but would love to hear on anything you find!
[08:53] <mha2908> I am struggling with getting java to work in 10.04. I am instructed to put the environment variables in the /root/.bashrc-file, but it won't work. Which variables shall I write?
[08:53] <Depot102> BUGabundo_remote: Been working furiously to find out things - with Intels latest 9.6.0.1014 there was hope for TRIM support in raid1/0 but no such luck
[08:54] <Depot102> and I know TRIM was meant to be supported in 2.6.33 but havernt heard anything since
[08:54] <carl> zash, anything comes to your mind?
[08:55] <BUGabundo_remote> Depot102: you can always install a daily/trunk kernel from ubuntu kernel ppa and dual boot between archive and daily
[08:55] <mha2908> my current configuration is:
[08:55] <M0DCM_Dave> Hi, can someone tell me if the Intel GMA500 will be supported in 10.04?
[08:55] <mha2908> #export JAVA_HOME=/usr/bin/java
[08:55] <mha2908> #export PATH=$PATH:$JAVA_HOME/bin
[08:55] <mha2908> #java -version
[08:57] <M0DCM_Dave> I've just created a live usb drive, and it seems that it's not supported
[08:58] <mha2908> how do I configure the java environment variables after installation of aptitude install sun-java6-bin and sun-java6-jdk
[09:02] <M0DCM_Dave> I just hope the Intel GMA500 will be supported in the final release of 10.04
[09:03] <carl> hello?
[09:03] <carl> ping
[09:03] <M0DCM_Dave> Hi Carl
[09:04] <carl> hi Dave
[09:04] <M0DCM_Dave> seems no one is answering anyones questions
[09:04] <carl> I'm having a problem with 10.04-64, think you can help? it's crashing randomly, and I think it's caused by my ATI (problem didn't exist in 9.10-64)
[09:05] <M0DCM_Dave> sorry Carl, I've not come across that problem
[09:05] <carl> ok
[09:05] <M0DCM_Dave> I'm running a Acer Aspire One ZA3 with the terrible GMA500
[09:06] <M0DCM_Dave> and my server is running a Nvidia 6100 which is supported in 10.04, just makes me wonder why they're spending more time on Nvidia drivers and not concentrating on either ATI or Intel Graphics
[09:07] <carl> I think it has to do with nVidia releasing specs, and ATI not doing so.
[09:07] <M0DCM_Dave> yeah, and Intel have told me to speak to my distro release
[09:07] <M0DCM_Dave> as it's down to them and not Intel
[09:08] <carl> yea
[09:08] <mha2908> I am struggling with getting java to work in 10.04. I am instructed to put the environment variables in the /root/.bashrc-file, but it won't work. Which variables shall I write, and where?
[09:09] <M0DCM_Dave> What makes me laugh is Jolicloud have the GMA500 supported from the live CD
[09:09] <M0DCM_Dave> and that is a variant of Ubuntu
[09:09] <M0DCM_Dave> so what are Canonical doing wrong??
[09:10] <almoxarife> mha2908: where do you have the java issues?
[09:11] <mha2908> in 10.04 server... I installed sun-java6-bin and jdk, but where do I put the variables?
[09:11] <mha2908> I want to run ant install on adito to install openvpn als
[09:12] <almoxarife> mha2908: sorry, I am server stupid
[09:13] <mha2908> but don't you think it's the same as the desktop?
[09:14] <almoxarife> mha2908: lets assume it is, after the upgrade I found myself with open-java, on top of my sun-java-jre install, same with server?
[09:14] <mha2908> yep... when I run java -version I get this:
[09:15] <mha2908> java version "1.6.0_18"
[09:15] <mha2908> OpenJDK Runtime Environment (IcedTea6 1.8pre) (6b18~pre2-1ubuntu1)
[09:15] <mha2908> OpenJDK Client VM (build 14.0-b16, mixed mode, sharing)
[09:15] <almoxarife> mha2908: so I stripped it of all the java, and re-installed sun-java
[09:16] <mha2908> how?
[09:16] <mha2908> im such a noob
[09:16] <almoxarife> mha2908: synaptic
[09:16] <mha2908> yeah, but how do I "strip" the java, i've already got
[09:16] <almoxarife> same can be done without it via apt-get
[09:17] <almoxarife> mha2908: by removing the packages that have been installed
[09:18] <M0DCM_Dave> Can no one answer me if the Intel GMA500 will be supported in 10.04?
[09:18] <mha2908> but what are the open-java packages called? I've only got a terminal to work with
[09:18] <almoxarife> mha2908: brb
[09:19] <M0DCM_Dave> or will the Intel GMA500 be backported like it is in 9.10?
[09:21] <osfast> hello
[09:21] <osfast> my lix wont update
[09:21] <osfast> lynx
[09:22] <M0DCM_Dave> I really don't want to run 2 different distro's on my network hence why I'm interested in getting the Intel GMA500 in my Acer Aspire One AO751h working in 10.04
[09:22] <almoxarife> mha2908: I just searched for 'java' and removed anything to do with it unless it broke something else
[09:22] <mha2908> yeah, but I can't search :(
[09:22] <almoxarife> mha2908: can't tell you how its done in terminal
[09:23] <almoxarife> mha2908: you can, I don't know the command structure to do it though
[09:23] <almoxarife> mha2908: may I ask why you went straight to server?
[09:24] <mha2908> yeah it seems stupid, but I am short with displays :p I ssh into this headless server at the moment
[09:24] <almoxarife> mha2908: you can install gnome on it and vnc into it?
[09:25] <mha2908> in theory, yes
[09:26] <almoxarife> mha2908: I see where the problem is, even if gnome defaults to a screen size that is small, that's the in you would need to repair it
[09:27] <mha2908> right now I am trying to get X11 forward to work... how can I ssh to root?
[09:28] <carl> hi
[09:28] <carl> I think I found what my problem is,
[09:28] <carl> I just need some help installing the open-source ATI driver
[09:28] <almoxarife> mha2908: does the server have a ssh server already installed?
[09:29] <carl> can someone help me please? it shouldn't take long
[09:30] <carl> according to http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1 , under Known Issues, point number 2,
[09:30] <nascentmind> carl, does the screen go black and the monitor says no signal?
[09:30] <mha2908> yes yes...I use that to admin it
[09:30] <carl> nascentmind, yes!
[09:30] <carl> nascentmind, the laptop goes totally unresponsive (even to RSEIUB)
[09:30] <nascentmind> carl, i am having the same problem with X and apport cannot submit that error
[09:30] <nascentmind> carl, and i have an intel card.
[09:31] <carl> nascentmind, I have ATI and it's advised for now to use the open-source ATI driver, but I don't know how to do that
[09:31] <nascentmind> carl, no ati, no nvidia.
[09:31] <carl> strange.. then it's not an ATI problem.
[09:31] <carl> any clues?
[09:31] <nascentmind> carl, its an xorg bug i guess.
[09:31] <carl> do you have any links?
[09:31] <almoxarife> carl: install the ati drivers thru synaptic?
[09:31] <nascentmind> carl, i was reading the crash log and it shows some assertion at 0 failed or something.
[09:32] <nascentmind> carl, no i don't and i cannot upload my xorg crash log because apport gives me url open error
[09:33] <carl> almoxarife, that would be fglrx?
[09:33] <almoxarife> carl: no
[09:34] <nascentmind> carl, its radeonhd drivers
[09:34] <nascentmind> carl, you can use jockey to do that.
[09:34] <nascentmind> or does anything come in that in the first place?
[09:35] <carl> sorry I didn't get what you said
[09:35] <almoxarife> carl: the pckg is called fglrx
[09:35] <carl> laptop crashed again :(
[09:35] <carl> almoxarife, if I installed it, won't it conflict with the already-installed xserver-xorg-video-ati ?
[09:36] <carl> install*
[09:36] <almoxarife> carl: what do you have to lose?
[09:36] <carl> almoxarife, well.. won't be able to connect back here and seek help ;)
[09:37] <carl> or should I uninstall xserver-xorg-video-ati?
[09:37] <Martiner> Iḿ waiting for beta 2, supposedly, they will fix the ATI issue until then, atleast i think i read that somewhere
[09:37] <almoxarife> carl: don't ruin what you already have
[09:37] <carl> almoxarife, ok so basically you're telling me to install fglrx. How do I then tell X to use this driver instead of the old one?
[09:38] <almoxarife> no patch avail yet?
[09:38] <carl> not to my knowledge
[09:38] <cemc> Martiner: what ATI issue?
[09:38] <Martiner> The ATI driver issue...
[09:39] <Martiner> fglrx and so on....
[09:39] <Martiner> I tried lots of diff ways to install them a few days ago, crashed my system...
[09:39] <cemc> I see
[09:39] <cemc> I've installed it yesterday,
[09:39] <Martiner> Really?
[09:39] <cemc> gimre@ximi:~$ apt-cache policy fglrx |grep Installed
[09:39] <cemc>   Installed: 2:8.721-0ubuntu5
[09:40] <cemc> gimre@ximi:~$ lsmod |grep fglrx
[09:40] <cemc> fglrx                2352686  29
[09:40] <Martiner> And everything is working, extra effects, compiz and what not?
[09:40] <carl> cemc, that's it? this will replace the ati drivers with fglrx? no other changes on x.org?
[09:40] <cemc> it's just that annoying "testing use only" logo in the lower right corner ;)
[09:40] <cemc> carl: I had to add Driver "fglrx" to the Device section, apparently it didn't automatically,
[09:41] <carl> cemc, not in synaptic? because in Hardware Drivers, I have an empty list.
[09:41] <almoxarife> carl: there you go
[09:41] <cemc> and I had to cp cp /etc/ati/amdpcsdb /etc/ati/amdpcsdb.default
[09:41] <cemc> carl: yeah, I had an empty list too, until I installed fglrx with apt-get
[09:42] <cemc> after that it just appeared as active
[09:42] <carl> cemc, you didn't uninstall xserver-xorg-video-ati first?
[09:42] <carl> sorry for so many questions, I just need to get it right with as few troubleshooting as possible :)
[09:42] <cemc> root@ximi:~# apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-ati |grep Installed
[09:42] <cemc>   Installed: 1:6.12.191-1ubuntu2
[09:42] <cemc> root@ximi:~# apt-cache policy xserver-xorg-video-ati |grep Installed
[09:42] <cemc>   Installed: 1:6.12.191-1ubuntu2
[09:42] <cemc> uups, sorry
[09:42] <cemc> so no, I didn't uninstall it
[09:43] <carl> ok, trying it now
[09:43] <carl> you restarted X for sure, right?
[09:44] <cemc> not just X, I rebooted
[09:44] <carl> done. brb rebooting
[09:46] <carl> all right. so far so good,
[09:46] <cemc> glxgears works, I didn't test anything else
[09:46] <carl> I get an error on xsplash something like "unreadahead... terminated with errorcode 4"
[09:46] <cemc> I've installed it only for the powerplay, to put it in powersave mode
[09:46] <carl> but boot process is fine. ATI FireGL shows under Hardware Drivers.
[09:46] <carl> let's see if compiz runs.
[09:46] <cemc> carl: see if glxgers works
[09:47] <cemc> carl: do you have that testing logo in the lower right corner?
[09:47] <carl> cemc, nope
[09:47] <carl> I need to install mesa-utils for glxgears
[09:48] <carl> s
[09:48] <carl> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
[09:48] <carl> (error after running glxgears)
[09:48] <almoxarife> carl: glad it turned out ok
[09:48] <cemc> hm, strange... my logo says unsupported hardware ;)
[09:48] <carl> almoxarife, not 100% sure yet.. until it stops crashing :) but thanks
[09:48] <carl> cemc, which logo? where?
[09:49] <cemc> carl: the logo you don't have, in the lower right corner, it's a semi transparent AMD logo with "Testing use only, Unsupported Hardware", that's what it's saying
[09:50] <carl> hmm.. nope, and btw: amdpcsdb.default was already in /etc/ati
[09:50] <cemc> ok
[09:50] <carl> crossing fingers.. hopefully it won't crash anymore
[09:52] <carl> cemc, thanks for the help
[09:52] <carl> see you soon!
[09:53] <Ian_Corne> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/547096 anyone know what my next step should be?
[09:54] <Martiner> But, the ATI drivers will have full support in the Final release, or?
[09:56] <almoxarife> Ian_Corne: don't use that dict?
[09:56] <Ian_Corne> almoxarife: obviously
[09:56] <Ian_Corne> but it's a bug that needs fixing
[09:57] <cemc> Martiner: not sure
[09:57] <almoxarife> Ian_Corne: obviously
[09:58] <almoxarife> Ian_Corne: install pidgin?
[09:58] <Martiner> Hope so...
[09:59] <Ian_Corne> almoxarife: ugh
[09:59] <Ian_Corne> that's not fixing the bug
[09:59] <Ian_Corne> i want help with how i should complete the bug report
[10:01] <h4writer> hi,I just upgraded my laptop to the beta, but now it keep showing the splash screen upon start. It does go further ...
[10:03] <h4writer> anybody a clue how to debug this? Because I see no errors|test anywhere
[10:03] <h4writer> *text
[10:08] <cemc> h4writer: did you try pressing escape at the splash? as I recall that should show something (or not anymore?)
[10:09] <nascentmind> any chance of getting startup messages? i have removed quiet and splash while at boot. it shows no text at all.
[10:10] <h4writer> cemc, no extra msgs there
[10:10] <h4writer> just blanc screen
[10:14] <h4writer> recovery console doesn't work either. keeps blank screen
[10:22] <AbortD> anyone got gdesklets to run in lucid 64 after it wouldnt start?
[10:22] <AbortD> get*
[10:37] <cemc> h4writer: you could try booting with nofb option and without quiet and splash options
[10:58] <switchgirl> java STILL not able to resize
[10:58]  * switchgirl digs her elbows into the dev's
[11:05] <kklimonda> java? just be happy it works at all ;)
[11:12] <jml> is the gvfs bug known?
[11:19] <thefish> hello
[11:19] <_Luca_> hi all ... keep getting the "Cannot download the metalink and therefore the ISO" error while using wubi for installing Lucid Netbook remix
[11:19] <thefish> is there a way to edit prefs for notification bubbles?
[11:20] <osfast> when i try to recive the release list  i get the error  that it cant be verrified therefore i cant update
[11:20] <thefish> ^ size/duration/position
[11:20] <_Luca_> downloaded the standalone wubi ... but it seems to fix this bug only with the Desktop Edition
[11:23] <_Luca_> anybody knows anything about this bug ?
[11:26] <bjwebb> hmmm, where has the hibernate option gone...
[11:27] <kklimonda> jml: Rreally with such a vague description no one is going to tell you
[11:27] <kklimonda> thefish: no
[11:28] <thefish> kklimonda: fair enough, thanks - know if there are any plans for it?
[11:28] <nigelb> bjwebb: try sleep?
[11:29] <bjwebb> nigelb: sleep != hibernate.....
[11:30] <nigelb> there was a string change
[11:30] <nigelb> (which might be reverted)
[11:30] <kklimonda> thefish: no, it's a design decision
[11:30] <thefish> nice
[11:30] <bjwebb> nigelb: but, sleep is different to hibernate
[11:31] <bjwebb> nigelb: when i click sleep it suspends
[11:31] <nigelb> bjwebb: I understand, in processing of reverting I think
[11:31] <bjwebb> ah
[11:31] <bjwebb> oka
[11:31] <_Luca_> hi all .. let's try to ask that again ... anybody happens to know the workaround to the  "Cannot download the metalink and therefore the ISO" error while using wubi for installing Lucid Netbook remix ?
[11:33] <rweait> would a Lucid/Alpha3 upgrade to Beta1 with apt-get dist-upgrade ? (after beta1 was released)
[11:33] <bjwebb> _Luca_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/wubi/+bug/383752 suggests a workaround is to download the iso manually and put it in the same directory as wubi.exe
[11:33] <bjwebb> rweait: yes
[11:34] <rweait> bjwebb: thank you.
[11:34] <_Luca_> ty bjwebb .. tried that .. won't work ...
[11:34] <jml> kklimonda, good point. anyway, I worked around my inability to install gvfs (sorry, lost the error message) by installing libparted0
[11:34] <Torrentow_> hello kklimonda
[11:34] <bjwebb> _Luca_: ah. i don't know then.
[11:34] <jml> (which removed devicekit-disks, but that can't be too harmful can it?)
[11:34] <_Luca_> ty ubottu ... that means i've to wait for beta2 to install remix .. too bad
[11:35] <kklimonda> hey Torrentow_
[11:36] <_Luca_> it seems a standalone wubi version for beta1 has been released .. but it fixes this bug just for the desktop edition
[11:36] <_Luca_> (once that a notebook version worked like a charm out of the box .. :-( )
[11:38] <Torrentow_> kklimonda, your ubuntu is alive?
[11:40] <rweait> I have a repeatable hardware crash on Lucid beta1 and need help troubleshooting.  http://dpaste.com/176319/
[11:40] <kklimonda> Torrentow_: as always - I've luckily avoided all the major problems so far
[11:52] <AbortD> hm
[11:56] <om26er> any one seeing 'no indicator' after update?
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> if its not there.. how do we see it? :)
[11:58]  * Dr_Willis is updateing box #2 right now
[11:58] <om26er> Dr_Willis, I need a little help about grub2
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> om26er:  oh? I know a little grub2-kung-fu
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> :)
[12:00] <om26er> I want to change my root to btrfs (I have a separate /boot) so I have to change the UUID of my root in grub config I cant find it where to change it
[12:01] <arand> om26er: is that not in the "search" line..?
[12:02] <tyranos_> hey guys, i m encoutering a very strange bug . when i restart or boot my laptop, sometimes the sound card is not detected, the drives cannot be mounted , and i cannot switch off the computer , i also cannot run  some programs, has anybody seen something like this
[12:02] <om26er> arand, yes, found it, I should edit the 00_header so?
[12:02] <nooga> i'm having huge problems with LAMP stack under lucid
[12:03] <arand> om26er: Hmm, hang on, the one in the search line might actually be the /boot, hrmm...
[12:04] <om26er> arand, its actually edited by changing 00_header and then grub-update na?
[12:05] <arand> om26er: and the one at the "linux" line being the one you'd want to change to change the root fs of the kernel..
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> Hmmm
[12:06] <ensignkim> I am never seeing any daily updates from Update Manager in my notification panel - is this normal for a beta release, or a bug?
[12:07] <om26er> arand, thanks now I am going to try that, either break my system or comeback happily ;)
[12:07] <arand> Ack, don't have my armageddon vbox drive left to test on...
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> ensignkim:  I alwys manually run 'sudo apt-get update' and 'sudo apt-get upgrade' daily
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> ensignkim:  it might be safer to only update once a week..
[12:08] <ensignkim> Dr_Willis: nevertheless, I am trying to determine whether or not Update Mangger is functioning correctly as I have set it to notify me of updates daily and it is not doing so (despite there being updates)
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> Im on Kubuntu - so never notice.
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> of course first thing i do whtn i login in the morningis run  update/upgrade.. so i may never notice anyway :)
[12:09] <arand> ensignkim: update icon in notification panel is gone since jaunty, update-manager instead pops under... but if you chack it manually, does it have any?
[12:10] <ensignkim> arand: if i check it manually it is always full of updates! (sorry, what do you mean by "pops under"? - I am upgrading from Intrepid, so don't know about Jaunty behaviour)
[12:12] <ensignkim> actually i have it set to "Install security updates without confirmation" - but i assumed this would include notification of non-security updates?
[12:13] <arand> ensignkim: Man, you've missed out the flame-fest: Bug #332945
[12:16] <ensignkim> arand: thanks for the info - but does this now mean that we're supposed to be back to the old Intrepid behaviour (i.e. notification icon) - because I don't seem to be getting anything...
[12:17] <arand> ensignkim: I don't think so (although one can always hope), so yes, if it doesn't even popunder for you, might be a bug...
[12:21] <arand> ensignkim: I'm not quite sure if "check" also means notify in the update settings, it should, but I'm not sure.
[12:23] <BluesKaj> Hey folks
[12:24] <nooga> http://marco.tondela.org/2010/03/your-public_html-with-php5-isnt-working-in-ubuntu-lucid/
[12:24] <nooga> i did that
[12:24] <nooga> and restarted apache
[12:24] <nooga> and still it does not execute scripts in ~/public_html/
[12:24] <nooga> what should i do?
[12:28] <gwhip> the openoffice 3.2 pre-installed in 10.04 ... i can't get the icons to change to crystal
[12:29] <gwhip> always goes back to default icons set
[12:30] <patdk-wk> how do I go about moving the top bar stuff back to the right side? instead of being in the middle?
[12:30] <patdk-wk> can't seem to do it since the network manger icon is stuck on the right
[12:30] <patdk-wk> always hate this, annoying, when my screen size changes :(
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> Unlock the items. and move them about.. then lock them back
[12:31] <patdk-wk> ya, like that would work
[12:31] <patdk-wk> there is no lock/move option for network manager
[12:31] <Dr_Willis> its part of the systemtray i imagine?
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> so you unlock/locl the whole systray perhaps?
[12:32] <patdk-wk> heh?
[12:32] <patdk-wk> it's not part of anything
[12:32] <patdk-wk> it's all by itself
[12:32] <patdk-wk> and this must be done each and every time my screen is resized?
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> It looks like it added itself to my systemtray here.. let me look again
[12:33] <patdk-wk> cause it's resized 2 times a day :(
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> its in the systray here on this gnome box. I move it and a few other icons all as one group. via unlocking it.
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> I right click and unlock over the little 'handel' its showing just to the left of it
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> or at least i did once.. cant get it to do it now. :)
[12:34] <patdk-wk> dunno what you mean by handle on the left
[12:34] <patdk-wk> mine only shows the up/down arrows
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> I have a little move handle like you see in file manager windows and so forth.. but that may be because i have them 'unlocked' so i an move them
[12:35] <patdk-wk> the powerbutton/name/im moves as a unit
[12:35] <patdk-wk> time as a unit
[12:35] <patdk-wk> and sound/email as a unit
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> I got a red ! and the network manager icon, the move as a unit
[12:36] <patdk-wk> no red !
[12:36] <Dr_Willis> because you dont have a crash report. :)
[12:36] <patdk-wk> ah, double click in the empty space on the left of network manager
[12:36] <patdk-wk> that is annoying
[12:36] <patdk-wk> everything else you just click once
[12:37] <nascentmind> syn-ack, you there?
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> If i use some other app that adds to the system tray. it goes right next to the NM. :)
[12:37] <patdk-wk> these things should just be set to right justified, instead of fixed pixel locations
[12:37] <patdk-wk> so it's usable when the screens change size
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> the whole way the panel does applets.. is in sad shape..  but thats one of the many things thats tobe changed in gnome 3 i guess
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> ive never really noticed them going tothe middle..
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> at least they dont on my netbook when i go to a external monitor
[12:38] <patdk-wk> have you ever changed your screen size to 800x600 then to like 1400xsomething
[12:38] <patdk-wk> for me they stay at the 800 spacing
[12:38] <patdk-wk> never adjust out
[12:38] <amichair> anyone know what's the difference between http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ and http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/daily-live/current/ ? one I can rsync, the other not
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> I cant even figure out how i unlocked that systray now. :)
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> the panel applets are WAY too picky about where you click to get the menus
[12:39] <patdk-wk> Dr_Willis, I have to double-right click to get that one
[12:39] <patdk-wk> all others single-right click
[12:40] <patdk-wk> all others don't like double-right click :)
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> because its the systray that you are actually accessing not the nm icon I guess
[12:41] <nooga> aaaaa
[12:41] <patdk-wk> ya, still should be unified
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> its all going tobe obsolste soon i imagine :)
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. My upgraded box is using the old gdm wallpaper still..
[12:44] <patdk-wk> I find the new wallpaper to be ugly as sin
[12:44] <patdk-wk> that purple drives me mad
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> I alwyas set things back to how i have for the last 4+ years...
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> simple colors.. and easy to see widgits
[12:52] <wam> how do I *completely* disable the framebuffer in lucid? My system hangs on boot and the old kernel messages are gone because it is switching to framebuffer...
[13:03] <CheBuzz_Home> Just installed 10.04 on a system with i915 video cards.  Feels _awfully_ slow, even though glxinfo indicates that hardware rendering is enabled.  Anybody else see the same thing?
[13:08] <CheBuzz_Home> Xorg is also taking up an awful lot of CPU time
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> wam:  i noticed the framebuffer modules getting loaded even if i used the 'nofb' kernel option
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> vga16vb is still loading it seems
[13:17] <Damascene> hello, I really liked the idea of having the 3 buttons above the menul toolbar
[13:17] <Damascene> first I had to move the mouse crouser all over the screen to be able to do simple thing
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sure if the defaults are now on the right or left.. i havent checked lately
[13:19] <CheBuzz_Home> glxgears
[13:19] <CheBuzz_Home> 915 frames in 5.0 seconds
[13:19] <CheBuzz_Home> 923 frames in 5.0 seconds
[13:20] <alex_mayorga> what's the java plugin on lucid?
[13:20] <alex_mayorga> how to install?
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> Hmm lets see
[13:20] <Dr_Willis> !java
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> willis@cow:~$ apt-cache search java6
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> default-jre - Standard Java or Java compatible Runtime
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> looks like its been renamed.
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> or   openjdk-6-jre - OpenJDK Java runtime, using Hotspot JIT
[13:22] <alex_mayorga> but for the browser? I can do "java -version" in the CLI
[13:22] <alex_mayorga> but the browser won't pick it up
[13:22] <BUGabundo_remote> how is that security system we have installed now called?
[13:22] <BUGabundo_remote> apport something ?!
[13:22] <BUGabundo_remote> similar to SE Linux?
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> apparmour ?
[13:23] <BUGabundo_remote> I keep forgetting the name :(
[13:23] <BUGabundo_remote> !info apparmour
[13:23] <BUGabundo_remote> !apparmour
[13:23] <BUGabundo_remote> bad bot
[13:24] <bazhang> !apparmor
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> Javas working in my browser. I done recall installing anything other then ubuntu-restricted extras
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> testing at --> http://www.java-gaming.com/game/4180/Celebrity_Bash/
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> oh wait.. thats a flash game. :)
[13:24] <BUGabundo_remote> yeah, that's it
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> heh
[13:24] <BUGabundo_remote> thanks
[13:25] <yofel> alex_mayorga: java plugin is icedtea6-plugin or sun-java6-plugin (latter needs to be fixed first)
[13:30] <enseven> Hi all! I am trying to run ctdb. When I run "/etc/init.d/ctdb start", I get: "[: 364: yes: unexpected operator [OK]". ctdbd uses 95% cpu time. ctdb status says: "Number of nodes:1 pnn:0 192.168.224.224 UNHEALTHY (THIS NODE)". In /var/log/log.ctdb is: "client/ctdb_client.c:771 control timed out. reqid:46 opcode:70 dstnode:0 client/ctdb_client.c:882 ctdb_control_recv failed". Can anyone help me?
[13:30] <wam> We're having heavy troubles booting from a nfs root filesystem. Any hints?
[13:32] <BUGabundo_remote> what's the prob with bug 527458? either I'm getting way to used to UI changes, or I don't get that bug :\
[13:32] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: do you have tooltips when hovering over the indicator icons?
[13:33] <BUGabundo_remote> over indicator, no
[13:33] <BUGabundo_remote> not do I miss them
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> I got tooltips over the network indicator icon
[13:33] <charlie-tca> That's right. Mark shuttleworth blogged about that. It is called removing clutter. He did say he may reverse it
[13:33] <BUGabundo_remote> I don't have NM applet on remote session :S
[13:33] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: It's very convenient for rythmbox checking current playing, and current colume level.
[13:33] <BUGabundo_remote> I miss it on the volume thouogh
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> and mouse scroll doesn't provide great feed back
[13:34]  * yofel doesn't get how tooltips are considered clutter...
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> but I had a bug for that, and at least mouse scroll got fixed
[13:34] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: well, mark mentioned the GPU side of it, and leaving artifacts
[13:35] <arand> As has been noted, it's ironic how they removed the ones that was useful, whereas the superflous ones still have tooltips left.
[13:35] <charlie-tca> heh
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> but I consider much more aggressive having the notification bubble there, and I can't click thorouth it
[13:35] <yofel> GPU side: ok, he's right there. artifacts: broken software is no excuse for removing features
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> hi charlie-tca :D
[13:35] <charlie-tca> Hello, BUGabundo_remote
[13:35] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: Is there a report on that anywhere, I've NEVER seen anything of it.
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> arand I didn't file it *yet*
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> but I might
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> its DAMN obnocious
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> it stays there tooooo long
[13:36] <charlie-tca> It is frustrating
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> and you can't really interact with it
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> other then make it transparent
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> like 50% opac
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> damn it
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm filling it
[13:36] <BUGabundo_remote> yay for another UI bug for me
[13:36] <yofel> hehe
[13:37] <BUGabundo_remote> and a lot of bug mail
[13:37] <BUGabundo_remote> its the 4th I file this cycle
[13:37] <BUGabundo_remote> more UI bugs then apps bugs
[13:37] <charlie-tca> Heh, my upgrade from hardy 2 lucid, it is solid black and won't even let me see what is under it
[13:37] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: Oh, I was talking about the tooltips, still...
[13:37] <rye> BUGabundo_remote, bug #546650
[13:37]  * yofel would blame plymouth charlie-tca
[13:37] <BUGabundo_remote> either there have been too many UI changes, or I just don't care anymore about minor, non fixing stuff
[13:37] <charlie-tca> I am willing to blame anything
[13:38] <BUGabundo_remote> YAY ry
[13:38] <BUGabundo_remote> YAY rye
[13:38]  * BUGabundo_remote subs
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. My printers not printing any more.. but lpq shows a print job..
[13:39] <BUGabundo_remote> is it just me or is LP rock solid latelly?
[13:39] <BUGabundo_remote> "tags:	 added: gloam regression "
[13:39] <BUGabundo_remote> what's this?? ^^
[13:40] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: indeed (if you don't count the database being broken before beta1 release)
[13:40] <BUGabundo_remote> Mirco Müller wrote 4 hours ago:	I'm tackling this one atm.
[13:41] <charlie-tca> yup
[13:41] <charlie-tca> Now if he fixes it...
[13:41] <BUGabundo_remote> thanks for the pointer rye
[13:41] <BUGabundo_remote> how do you guys feel about the top round corners?
[13:42] <rye> BUGabundo_remote, you are welcome, I recall this bug report every time someone writes me a message :)
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> I do like them
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> rye:  ahsahaha
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> rye: oops
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> rye: sorry :p
[13:42] <rye> BUGabundo_remote, top round corners? where?
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> on apps
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> something to do with the theme
[13:43] <rye> weren't they always round? i.e. in human theme before...
[13:43] <patdk-wk> they are in karmic
[13:48] <jakubo> hi, is there any way to get sound indicator not messing up?
[13:49] <BUGabundo_remote> jakubo: define "mess up"
[13:49] <jakubo> haveing it running results in 100% cpu load and some network activity
[13:50] <jakubo> and there is no configuration gui available
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. odd.. somehow the last updates  deleted my printers i had configfured
[13:51] <BUGabundo_remote> Dr_Willis: ahah
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> I find the default cups admin page amuseing...
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by Apple Inc. for Mac OS® X and other UNIX®-like operating systems.
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> and here.. i thought apple just BOUGHT  the company... :)
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> but i guess its good to have backers for such a imporntant project.
[13:53] <jakubo> so noone got any ideas about the sound setting problem?
[13:54] <BUGabundo_remote> jakubo: sound is crimsun kindom
[13:54] <jakubo> yeah.. i somehow heard that before
[13:54] <jakubo> but i seem to miss him
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> join #ubuntu-audio-help and idle around. he usually replies to backlog, so just ask and reply when ever you can
[13:56] <jakubo> can you just tell me one thing? how does the irc work? is it meant to be a pure customer service? or some bug report platform to some extent?
[13:56] <jakubo> ok ill see
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> jakubo: errr good question LOL
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> its not oficial in any way  .
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> actually NO support is oficialy
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> but launchpad is the proper way to deal with bugs
[13:57] <jakubo> so i wont find developers or such in here right?
[13:57] <bbordwell> BUGabundo_remote, You can buy support from canocal
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> but sometimes user interaction allows for faster debug
[13:57] <bbordwell> spelling...
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> bbordwell: I know
[13:57] <jakubo> yeah i heard that....
[13:59] <bbordwell> BUGabundo_remote, your on ubuntu-bugs channel correct?
[13:59] <enseven> Hallo zusammen! Momentan probiere ich ctdb aus. Wenn ich den Daemon starte ("/etc/init.d/ctdb start"), bekomme ich die Fehlermeldung: "[: 364: yes: unexpected operator [OK]". ctdbd verbraucht 95% CPU-Zeit. ctdb status sagt: "Number of nodes:1 pnn:0 192.168.224.224 UNHEALTHY (THIS NODE)". In /var/log/log.ctdb erscheint: "client/ctdb_client.c:771 control timed out. reqid:46 opcode:70 dstnode:0 client/ctdb_client.c:882 ctdb_control_recv fail
[13:59] <enseven> ed". Kann mir jemand helfen?
[13:59] <Atamisk> hello all
[14:00] <Dr_Willis> IRC has been around for Years and years  jakubo  :)  This is just a chat room  thats used  to help.
[14:00] <Aidar-Nagato> i've got a little... mmm... bug, i think. when i type "apt-get inst" on my desktop terminal and press Tab it completes to "apt-get install", but on my laptop it doesn't (it completes only directories, like "apt-get intsmth/")
[14:00] <enseven> sorry! Wrong channel! I wanted to post to ubuntu-de+1!
[14:01] <bbordwell> Aidar-Nagato, Does tab on your laptop function as expected in other places?
[14:01] <bbordwell> could be a keyboard issue
[14:02] <bbordwell> nvm
[14:02] <enseven> But if someone could help me with ctdb. Help is very wellcome!
[14:02] <Aidar-Nagato> bbordwell, yes
[14:02] <bbordwell> obisously it does since it completes directories
[14:02] <jakubo> well i just thought some developers might benefit from direct contact to users having problems
[14:02] <Atamisk> well, i think i broke my 10.04 release :P
[14:03] <Atamisk> is there any obvious reason 10.04 would fail to boot after running apt-get update/grade?
[14:04] <Consul_Falx> ey
[14:04] <Aidar-Nagato> bbordwell, "apt-g" + Tab works right "apt-get "
[14:04] <jakubo> i have had that some times, usually a reboot did the trick
[14:04] <jakubo> or a filesystem check
[14:04] <Consul_Falx> who tells me what 'PLL quirk' is<
[14:04] <Atamisk> @me jakubo?
[14:05] <jakubo> well, in a certain way XD
[14:05] <Atamisk> i've rebooted like 3 times :/
[14:05] <Atamisk> grr. had this issue with 9.10, it's why i installed lucid lol
[14:05] <jakubo> oh ok
[14:06] <jakubo> well that was all of my experiences
[14:06] <Atamisk> ah. thx tho!
[14:06] <jakubo> XD
[14:07] <Atamisk> if it helps i get an error 'too much work for irq17' when i boot into rec mode. about 20,000 times, then it shuts up.
[14:08] <Atamisk> anyone else?
[14:08] <jakubo> i just sometimes get "disabling irq 20#" but get no problem with that... sry
[14:08] <jakubo> good luck with your issue, cya
[14:10] <KB1JWQ> Well this is interesting.  Aptitude is choking with a coredump http://pastebin.com/vGT7W6Ei
[14:10] <KB1JWQ> Yay, it's already in Launchpad
[14:10] <xcv> hello room :) ubuntustudio 64bit; yesterday i invoked "update-manager -d" (per http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta1). upgrade completed, so far noticed a couple of issues, vpnc and cpufreq applet
[14:14] <KB1JWQ> xcv: And those would be...?
[14:15] <Atamisk> aargh. any way i can get some sort of log to look at from the failed boot(s)?
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> i think theres a /var/log/???????? Of some kind in there Atamisk
[14:15] <Dr_Willis> but ive just skimmed that location the other day. Not sure what all is logged
[14:15] <Atamisk> hmm
[14:16] <Atamisk> i'll look. brb, gonna try to reboot (again)
[14:16] <Atamisk> never had any of these problems with my netbook remix version XP
[14:17] <Dr_Willis> so ?
[14:18] <xcv> KB1JWQ: starting with the easy one, i had cpufreq applet set so that it no longer prompted for password when changing the frequency settings. the settings have reverted to the default prompt for password. easy fix, presumably; not sure if the upgrade should have preserved the custom edit to the config file for that
[14:18] <KB1JWQ> xcv: Is it in launchpad?
[14:19] <xcv> KB1JWQ: haven't checked yet. was still looking into the vpnc issue on LP
[14:20] <Consul_Falx> _please_ ... I'm having this bug ... https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/545289
[14:21] <Consul_Falx> what is the "pll quirk" mentioned as the workaround solution, and how is it done?
[14:22] <xcv> vpnc issue: vpn (cisco) connection worked prior to upgrade, now fails "there was a problem launching the authentication dialog for VPN connection type 'org.freedesktop.NetworkManager.vpnc'. Contact your system administrator."
[14:22] <xcv> not sure if Bug #546646 is related. synaptec package manager indicates vpnc 0.5.3-1 and network-manager-vpnc 0.8-0ubuntu1 are installed. network-manager-vpnc-gnome is not installed.
[14:22] <xcv> when i go to network/vpn connections/configure vpn, i get the network dialog, and the 'add' button is disabled.
[14:23] <Atamisk> lol! it booted this time. thanks all!
[14:23] <kassah> trying out SimpleScan.. and I'm having trouble getting it to recognize the existance of my network scanner. I've figured out how to get xsane to use it (xsane hpaio:/net/Photosmart_C4700_series?ip=192.168.1.111) but I'd rather use simple-scan (and submit a bug so it can be fixed)
[14:24] <KB1JWQ> kslen: You peasant.
[14:24] <KB1JWQ> kslen: nmap is the One True Scanner. :-)
[14:25] <Atamisk> BTW so it's impossible to use a lexmark wireless scanner in linux?
[14:25] <kassah> bug #545737 is the closest to my issue I can find
[14:29] <Atamisk> oh and Dr_Willis, i meant that lucid netbook on my acer runs flawlessly, and was wondering what the diff was
[14:31] <mikebeecham> hi there..wonder if I can ask a question...on the new Radiance theme, does the top of the highlighted metacity fade to white?  Mine looks transparent and looks a bit wierd
[14:31] <mikebeecham> I'm wondering if I can change it to white
[14:35] <xcv> i intend to do a clean install of ubuntu 32bit in the near future (machine only has 3gb; 64bit doesn't benefit me). still, would like to provide anything useful to the community before i wipe it.
[14:42] <papul> hi guys
[14:43] <papul> has the window close minimize etc button moved to the right?
[14:43] <papul> has the window close minimize etc button moved to the right?
[14:44] <bazhang> !controls
[14:47] <monkey_dust> hi, can i put everything in extended (logical) partitions, or do i have to create at least one primary partition?
[14:48] <kassah> well you'll always have at least one primary that's just a logical group
[14:48] <kassah> but otherwise... there shouldn't be anything stopping you from putting everything in extended partitions
[14:49] <papul> another thing. how to upgrade to beta from karmic?
[14:49] <kassah> monkey_dust, doing so will require a bit of work tho
[14:50] <xcv> KB1JWQ: for the vpnc issue, Bug #539639 seems on-point, though i'm on a different architecture: ubuntustudio 64bit, kernel 2.6.31-10-rt. what do you think?
[14:50] <KB1JWQ> xcv: I'd chime in on the bug then.
[14:59] <AnAnt> Hello, I have a closed-source software here that crashes when I use lucid (yet it works fine with debian unstable), but when I strace that software, it doesn't crash, what would be the possible reason for this ?
[15:03] <JohnFlux_> AnAnt: strace slows it down, preventing a race condition?
[15:04] <AnAnt>  JohnFlux_: seems so, but I wanted to know what in lucid is causing that
[15:05] <[A]KangB> Hi everybody. Ubuntu don't "catch" my PenDrive, i have to mount it in terminal..
[15:06] <KB1JWQ> I'd probably ensure automount is working.  I'd highlight you but you have an annoying nick to type.
[15:06] <alex_mayorga> new OOo?
[15:06] <mikebeecham> guys, does anyone know where I could suggest changes to the new UI?  I'm a designer and I wanted to 'voice' a couple of concerns
[15:06] <KB1JWQ> alex_mayorga: Yeah, I saw that to.
[15:06] <KB1JWQ> mikebeecham: launchpad
[15:07] <alex_mayorga> mikebeecham: yeah launchpad, bug them to death :)
[15:07] <mikebeecham> ok guys...thanks
[15:07] <mikebeecham> I think I'll have to
[15:07] <mikebeecham> hoping I can get to speak to one person who might have some influence
[15:08] <[A]KangB> thanks KB1JWQ
[15:08] <alex_mayorga> mikebeecham: mind, sharing the "bugs" you see with the community here?
[15:08] <alex_mayorga> KB1JWQ: what version is it?
[15:08] <mikebeecham> of course...
[15:09] <mikebeecham> 1) there is an inconsistency in the spacing between the buttons
[15:09] <alex_mayorga> mikebeecham: we be been enjoying/suffering the new UI for some time now :)
[15:09] <mikebeecham> 2) The 'gloss' effect of the close button does not tie in with the smooth gradient of the max and min buttons
[15:10] <mikebeecham> 3) There is a further drop shadow to the close that does not work with the lack of shadow with the other two buttons
[15:10] <blaamann> mikebeecham: Did you write that blog entry about this?
[15:10] <mikebeecham> blaamann: nope, but it was something that I spotted within a few minutes of upgrading....I'm an interface designer
[15:10] <mikebeecham> lol
[15:10] <mikebeecham> but I've read that blog
[15:10] <blaamann> ok
[15:10] <alex_mayorga> mikebeecham: and if you have the skill it might be worth doing your own theme as well
[15:11] <mikebeecham> alex...I can design till the cows come home...getting it 'working' is a coveted talent I sadly dont possess
[15:11] <alex_mayorga> mikebeecham: not being a designer or anything, I frankly don't even get all the terminology
[15:12] <mikebeecham> 4) Also, I would have used colours on all of the buttons that tied in with the overall feel of the new look
[15:12] <alex_mayorga> basically you don't like that close is shinier than max and min?
[15:12] <mikebeecham> exactly Alex
[15:12] <mikebeecham> and I dont think they should have used red, although I can understand why they did
[15:12] <alex_mayorga> +.5 for colors, it would look even more "macosxish"
[15:13] <mikebeecham> also, because of the way that they've designed the buttons...the close button seems to have more 'depth' than the other two...like it's pressed into the background further than the others
[15:13] <alex_mayorga> I think red is, good, red=careful and certainly closing window is the mos destructive thing you can do UIwise
[15:14] <mikebeecham> alex - absolutely...but when it's the only bit of the new UI that's red...thats when you run into trouble and inconsistency
[15:14] <mikebeecham> it would not look so bad if more of the overall theme had red elements to it
[15:14] <alex_mayorga> mikebeecham: IMHO it looks bumped instead of pressed
[15:15] <alex_mayorga> mikebeecham: agree, maybe turn it red on hover
[15:15] <alex_mayorga> ?
[15:15] <mikebeecham> yes!
[15:15] <mikebeecham> I would have opted for a salmon-type colour...a mix of red and the new purple...then turn red on hover
[15:16] <mikebeecham> I understand that there is a sense of all this being a little subjective, but there are SOME things they could have done to make it look a little less...rushed
[15:16] <blaamann> Cool, new Virtualbox update makes guest additions work again.
[15:17]  * blaamann testing Lucid in vbox on Karmic
[15:17] <alex_mayorga> I've heard complaints of the UI being to loaded on the left hand side
[15:17] <C10uD> hello, it is a know issue that firefox doesn't have antialiasing?
[15:18] <mikebeecham> alex...do a degree everything dislikes change.  I think on this occassion putting the controls on the left works, and it just takes a little bit of time to adjust
[15:18] <mikebeecham> this way works better with the notifications imho
[15:18] <arand> mikebeecham: #ayatana and/or their mailing list might be where the designers reside. or maybe #ubuntu-artwork ...
[15:18] <mikebeecham> arand: thanks mate
[15:18] <alex_mayorga> I've certainly got used to it and now see how nonsensical it was to reach all the way to the right just to close
[15:19] <enseven> Can anyone help me with ctdb? Did anyone get it work?
[15:19] <alex_mayorga> !info ctdb
[15:19] <mikebeecham> alex...personally, I really like the controls on the left (coming from a mac background!)
[15:19] <arand> mikebeecham: But do keep it very polite, since they must be very tired of all the shouting that's be going around lately ;)
[15:20] <mikebeecham> arand: of course, my aim is to contribute, not debate or destroy
[15:20] <alex_mayorga> I just want my window titles back in the center
[15:20] <mikebeecham> all of my design work to date has been done pro bono and in gratitude!
[15:20] <alex_mayorga> mikebeecham: being that the case I think a UI designer would be much welcome in ayatana IMHO
[15:21] <mikebeecham> I'm posting there now
[15:21] <mikebeecham> does anyone use mac here?
[15:21] <mikebeecham> or android phones
[15:21]  * alex_mayorga joins #ayatana
[15:22] <mikebeecham> they are platforms I'vr worked on
[15:24] <C10uD> hello, it is a know issue that firefox doesn't have antialiasing?
[15:25] <mikebeecham> arand: thanks for the heads up.  I've posted an introduction in the channel and will just wait to see if anyone responds.
[15:28] <red> How can I extract an AES128 encrypted .zip file? It asks me for a password (which I know) but throws an error: "Unsupported Method"
[15:28] <red> The archive is afaik made with Windows app called PowerArchiver
[15:29] <charlie-tca> C10uD: yes, it is known that firefox fonts aren't always the clearest
[15:30] <ZykoticK9> red, looks like PowerArchiver might run under wine, see http://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=version&iId=11433&iTestingId=22984
[15:30] <red> guess ill try that
[15:31] <ZykoticK9> red, i'm guessing that the zip format in question is some sort of non-standard or proprietary ZIP, doubt any native linux apps support it
[15:31] <C10uD> charlie-tca, i don't think it's related to fond
[15:32] <alex_mayorga> anyone knows if there's an empathy IRC channel?
[15:32] <C10uD> font*
[15:32] <C10uD> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/firefox/+bug/546568
[15:32] <arand> alex_mayorga: #telepathy
[15:33] <alex_mayorga> arand: thanks!
[15:33] <charlie-tca> C10uD: That would be a duplicate, I believe
[15:33] <arand> alex_mayorga: or actually irc.gnome-org #empathy ...
[15:34] <charlie-tca> C10uD: and, to be honest, as I recall, we can't fix it. Mozilla has to
[15:35] <C10uD> charlie-tca, that's the only bug that shows for "firefox aliasing".. and sincerely i don't think mozilla has to fix it :p
[15:37] <alex_mayorga> arand: irc.gnome.org right?
[15:37] <charlie-tca> any other app with that font issue?
[15:37] <charlie-tca> If not, mozilla has to fix it. We are not allowed
[15:38] <arand> alex_mayorga: Ah, yea (se keyboard ,.- in a row)
[15:39] <m0ar> I've got a wierd problem, every time I start ubuntu my web browser launches. It's not in my autostart and I do not save my session on logout
[15:41] <C10uD> charlie-tca, i just updated from karmic but i guess firefox is the only app-- however since firefox is in main i expected ubuntu to be in charge for fixing.. is there a way to track this issue status? it's really annoying
[15:42] <charlie-tca> Only Mozilla is allowed to change the code for firefox, which is what causes that bug
[15:43] <C10uD> oh well - seems like they like making users whine then :) i wonder what's wrong with linux, every time they rel a new version they always forget about aa
[15:45] <charlie-tca> That would not be linux doing it, but mozilla developers.
[15:45] <charlie-tca> sometimes changing fonts helps
[15:46] <howlymowly> hi i got a question:  with karmic I already had that problem.. in lucid I am running into it again... is there are particular reason for not including libstdc++.so.5 in karmic and lucid? i find this really annoying, since a lot of programs use that library... I always have to look  for some debian package providing that libary...
[15:47] <C10uD> howlymowly, i guess it's just because it's damn old
[15:48] <howlymowly> yeah.. that#s right.. but why can't we just leave as an optional packet at least :)? --> I mean there really ARE still a lot of applications requiring these libraries...
[15:48] <C10uD> charlie-tca, yeah, sorry, that's what i meant -- still you could check before uploading broken packages ... eheh
[15:48] <red> cant you just run a check for missing dependencies?
[15:49] <howlymowly> C10uD: my particular example is matlab for instance....
[15:51] <C10uD> howlymowly, maybe you can install it from debian
[15:51] <howlymowly> yeah i just did it :)
[15:52] <howlymowly> I wrote a little helper script for it, when installing it on karmic...
[15:56] <aboSamoor> Hi, I installed ubuntu remix daily image on Toshiba NB200 and the sound is not working ! any idea ?
[15:59] <TecnoBrat> howlymowly: looks like this guy made a ppa that has that package in it: https://launchpad.net/~jason-scheunemann/+archive/ppa
[15:59] <TecnoBrat> both lucid and karmic
[15:59] <howlymowly> TecnoBrat: cool thx.. just what I was looking for...
[16:00] <edbian> Will we be able to edit the gdm theme in ubuntu 10.04?
[16:00] <markl_> aboSamoor: try running gnome-alsamixer
[16:01] <markl_> aboSamoor: my macbook had the sound muted by default for some reason
[16:01] <markl_> in such a way that the speaker panel applet couldn't un-mute it
[16:01] <ZykoticK9> edbian, same as karmic as far as editing gdm themes at the moment
[16:02] <edbian> ZykoticK9, Should I be pestering the gnome people ??
[16:02] <aboSamoor> markl_: that gnome mixer is not there by default
[16:02] <edbian> ZykoticK9, This is silly.  Usually a re-write of software doesn't drop features does it?
[16:02] <ZykoticK9> edbian, should you be "pestering" anyone?
[16:03] <edbian> ZykoticK9, squeaky wheel gets the grease
[16:03] <ZykoticK9> edbian, true
[16:04] <markl_> aboSamoor: sudo apt-get install gnome-alsamixer
[16:04] <red> any news about gaupol getting fixed for lucid?
[16:04] <aboSamoor> markl_: I am in university campus, and I can not connect to internet. I used alsamixer and nothing was muted.
[16:05] <red> currently throws a parse error on any file, even an empty file created and saved with gaupol
[16:06] <markl_> aboSamoor: hmm, not sure then
[16:07] <aboSamoor> the sound is working on headphone but not external speakers
[16:13] <aboSamoor> another problem, the toshiba nb200 does not boot correctly ! this is the message it gives
[16:13] <aboSamoor> "gave up waiting for root device"
[16:16] <howlymowly> another question about beta 10.04 kubuntu: krunner is very slow...  will that get bettre until the release? sometimes it just hangs for several seconds...  really annoying.. first I thought it was about nepomuk and strigi file indexing.. but it stayed like this after I turned them off...
[16:17] <howlymowly> why and what do i do about it :)? ---> also I restricted the strigi indexer to use no more than 500MB's Memory for indexing.. but for some reason it isn't interested in that restriction..  it just keeps indexing I turned it off, after the index reached a size of > 2GB
[16:30] <h00k> Cool, now on Lucid: When a restart is required, the shutdown button turns red.
[16:32] <deanus> only if you knew that red means restart required :)
[16:35] <h00k> deanus: well, it is sort of intuitive, as after an update, it told me that one was required, then the button happened to be red
[16:36] <h00k> also, clicking on it shows where the 'Restart' option was now exists, "Restart Required..."
[16:37] <hanshenrik> install "clean" beta 1, recovery mode works. run updates->restart->run updates again->restart. recovery mode just hangs at "white little dot in top corner"   , ideas? :p
[16:37] <deanus> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/ubuntu-reverts-file-size-reading.html  ....because of users complaining...
[16:38] <F0rkBomb> hi everyone
[16:39] <yofel> deanus: sad but might indeed be for the better
[16:39] <yofel> we should either leave it or fix all apps for an LTS
[16:39] <F0rkBomb> anyone noticed the window button on title bars now has an inset look? with a bugged straight line...
[16:39] <BoondoKLife> Why was that size reading changed at all
[16:40] <h00k> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UnitsPolicy
[16:41] <deanus> I`m suprised it was changed back...they took no notice of the users complaining about the buttons.. not that I care about the buttons. Ive got used to em..
[16:41] <pepee> anyone having troubles with pm-suspend?
[16:42] <yofel> erm, Mark never seid that the buttons will definitely stay, but I find the buttons less confusing than the size inconsitency
[16:42] <\ottizen> ./teeworlds_srv: error while loading shared libraries: libmysqlcppconn.so.1: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
[16:42] <\ottizen> What does that means?
[16:42] <BoondoKLife> deanus: Well the buttons is just an interface thing. Where as the representation of size is fairly cored. I mean alot of things use that data and it is not like apps go haywire cause of the change in button possition
[16:42] <yofel> pepee: some reported it not working at all, or having long delays, but it work fine here
[16:43] <deanus> true
[16:43] <pepee> hmm is broken for me :(
[16:43] <yofel> \ottizen: the teeworlds_srv binary needs the mentioned shared lib to run, how did you get it?
[16:43] <\ottizen> i installed it
[16:43] <\ottizen> look
[16:44] <BoondoKLife> Personally I dont really mind either change, but was just wondering if there was a logical reason for the size change. Other than for people who dont get the 1024 deal
[16:44] <\ottizen> http://pastebin.com/cpfKqT1K <-- therr
[16:44] <\ottizen> there*
[16:44] <\ottizen> it's installed
[16:44] <\ottizen> by apt-get
[16:44] <MTecknology> Any of you use php-cgi and have a system your testing 10.04 on?
[16:45] <abhinav> Hi .. anyone seeing high CPU usage due to multiple kdeinit spawns ? My quad core has all 4 cpus above 88-90%, until I execute dcopserver_shutdown
[16:45] <yofel> \ottizen: the file that matters is this one, and you see that the  library version is wrong (4, not 1) ./usr/lib/libmysqlcppconn.so.4
[16:46] <\ottizen> oh
[16:46] <\ottizen> i see
[16:46] <abhinav> btw this is a ubuntu (gnome) session in use, with some kde apps installed
[16:46] <\ottizen> yofel: can i trick my system in some way?
[16:46] <yofel> \ottizen: I think recompiling the application should fix this
[16:46] <\ottizen> done!
[16:47] <\ottizen> lets see
[16:49] <lupine_85> ooh, is the repo broken at the moment?
[16:49] <lupine_85>   telepathy-butterfly: Breaks: empathy (< 2.29.92) but 2.28.1.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
[16:49]  * lupine_85 uninstall telepathy-butterfly since he doesn't need it anywya
[16:53] <\ottizen> SOLVED IT
[16:53] <\ottizen> THANK YOU ALL
[16:53] <exalt> hello
[16:55] <_motti_> Hi guys, I just installed kubuntu 10.04 and My iPod is not dettected. Do I need to install enything in addition?
[16:56] <exalt> i downloaded amd64 desktop beta iso, compared the iso's no problem burned with 8x on cdrom no errors and iso still correct. checked the cdrom on defects, no defects, dut it just wont boot, it stats hanging on loading the system
[16:56] <aboSamoor> can anyone help me with this problem. Grub gives "gave up waiting for root device" ?!!
[16:56] <exalt> ubuntu logo and 4 red dots
[16:57] <deanus> beta is a bit old now really, should of grabbed a daily.
[16:57] <deanus> well, thats just 'me'
[16:58] <charlie-tca> exalt: try hitting alt+F7 or Ctrl+Alt+F7
[16:58] <patdk-wk> hmm, my system is horribly out of date
[16:58] <patdk-wk> updated it 4 hours ago :(
[16:58] <yofel> aboSamoor: that message should be something raid related I think ...
[16:59] <deanus> patdk-wk, lol
[16:59] <aboSamoor> yofel: I installed ubuntu-netbook on toshiba nb200 !
[16:59] <patdk-wk> exalt, have that issue all the time
[16:59] <patdk-wk> normally using the alt cd instead of the desktop/server cd works
[16:59] <patdk-wk> stupid dell hardware cdrom's
[16:59] <yofel> aboSamoor: ok, then not. Maybe take out the --search option in grub.cfg?
[16:59] <yofel> (I'm guessing here)
[16:59] <patdk-wk> deanus, 37 new packages
[17:00] <exalt> patdk-wk: you say, try the alt.cdr?
[17:00] <patdk-wk> ya, but I dunno if any exists yet for lucid
[17:00] <patdk-wk> but that is what always works on the OFFICIAL RELEASE cd's for me
[17:00] <patdk-wk> nowadays I pxe install everything, so it doesn't matter anymore
[17:00] <charlie-tca> !daily
[17:01] <charlie-tca> daily is the alternate cd, daily-live is the desktop cd
[17:01] <patdk-wk> oh heh :)
[17:01] <patdk-wk> I can only ever locate the dvd for prerelease :)
[17:02] <yofel> mvo: btw, did you get my mail with the apt configuration a few days ago? (I forgot to ask you)
[17:11] <TomTom> anybody has working vdpau on IONs with lucid?
[17:12] <markl_> no but i am considering a samsung N510
[17:12] <markl_> what player are you trying to use?
[17:12] <markl_> i would expect mplayer to just work
[17:12] <markl_> or mythtv
[17:12] <JEEBsv> VDPAU should work with the drivers n' a good mplayer build :3
[17:12] <JEEBsv> since ION has a VP3
[17:13] <JEEBsv> of course, you have to remember the limitations of VP3, but otherwise fine
[17:13] <JEEBsv> (VP3 has some weird resolution limits)
[17:13] <_motti_> Hi guys, I just installed kubuntu 10.04 and my iPod touch is not recognized. How can I chek things out?
[17:13] <TomTom> vdpauinfo shows all capabilities but mplayer does not uses it
[17:13] <markl_> TomTom: did you specify -vo vdpau on the cmd line?
[17:14] <C-S-B> lucid looking alright except the weird toolbar.
[17:14] <markl_> TomTom: where do you get vdpauinfo?  that sounds useful
[17:14] <TomTom> markl_: do i have to? i will try, on gentoo, it worked out of the box. sorry that i ve asked if its that simple :)))
[17:15] <TomTom> markl_: some repo... just google for it. shows your vdpau capabilities... similar to glxinfo
[17:15] <markl_> TomTom: my mplayer tries XVideo by default if i don't specify vdpau
[17:16] <markl_> TomTom: https://launchpad.net/~nvidia-vdpau/+archive/ppa
[17:16] <markl_> nice
[17:16] <markl_> is that the mplayer you're using too?
[17:18] <fabio333> i wish adobe flash used xvideo
[17:19] <exco> anybody interested in helping me get some stuff running on the upcoming HP slate?
[17:28] <BUGabundo_remote> "fta:  /wrt "all, please test chromium from the beta ppa, i need to upload it to lucid" "
[17:29] <TuxRox> I have been testing 10.04 on a spare desktop at work. I often will convert hexadecimal numbers into decimal. It us to be that the calculator gcalc had radio buttons to easily convert. Those are now gone and I have no idea how I can do that now. Does anyone know?
[17:30] <fabio333> there is python you can use
[17:30] <arand> TuxRox: Is the programming view not available?
[17:31] <_motti_> I'm bumping my question. Kubuntu doesn't recognize my iPod at all. any thought?
[17:32] <markl_> _motti_: that is a painful problem, maybe start by asking in #gtkpod
[17:32] <markl_> i am trying to figure it out too
[17:33] <markl_> lucid seems to have the right software versions of things like libgpod, but it still doesn't work for some reason
[17:33] <abhinav> TuxRox: gcalctool is the program . I can see it under accessories (and via terminal)
[17:33] <_motti_> markl_: thanks. I'll be back soon to speek to you.
[17:33] <git__> does lucid have suspend/resume problem?
[17:33] <abhinav> TuxRox: but the radio buttons's aren't there, as you mentioned
[17:34] <abhinav> TuxRox: it is now under "View" menu
[17:34] <Steve[cug]> anyone else experiencing weird video issues in the latest beta?
[17:35] <Steve[cug]> As in, I have a terminal full-screened and the video will flicker and tear
[17:36] <ZykoticK9> Steve[cug], are you using the open source ATI driver?
[17:38] <Steve[cug]> ZykoticK9: its a Intel Mobile gard on a Lenovo S10
[17:38] <Steve[cug]> s/gard/card/
[17:39] <ZykoticK9> Steve[cug], ok - i just saw a bug with ATI flickering -- no idea with Intel, hopefully someone else has a suggestion for you.  Best of luck.
[17:39] <lupine_85> hmm. What's the recommended way to mount an NFS partition in lucid? I tried in my /etc/fstab as usual, but that just resulted in errors (presumably because network isn't up when it tries to mount the share?)
[17:39] <jpds> Steve[cug]: bug #538648.
[17:42] <rabbit1> no sir, check in Modify Account -> User Options ->Local Alias
[17:42] <exco> any ideas on why the n-trig duosense isn't working in lucid anymore?
[17:42] <exco> (touch input)
[17:43] <exco> any ideas on poulsbo @lucid?
[17:45] <Steve[cug]> ZykoticK9: thanks for the heads up....I'll have to reboot and see if that works after the update
[17:46] <ZykoticK9> Steve[cug], actually it was jpds that sent you the correct bug
[17:49] <Steve[cug]> gah! Then ty jpds ;)
[17:49] <thak> Hello, I'm trying to do Java development in 10.4 and I can't seem to install sun-java6-sdk.
[17:49] <ZykoticK9> thak, add the partner repo and you'll be all good!
[17:50] <JEEBsv> oh, it's there?
[17:50] <JEEBsv> Nice
[17:50] <JEEBsv> I once manually installed sun-java lol
[17:52] <thak> When you say partner repository, would that be listed in the software sources GUI, or is it something external I would need to find a reference to?
[17:53] <ZykoticK9> thak, yup see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/java and the Update note at the top
[17:53] <thak> Excellent, thanks so much!
[17:54] <ZykoticK9> thak, glad to help
[17:54] <thak> Hrm... I can manually edit it
[17:54] <blindskull13> hey does any one know if there is any reason why it has been made even harder to get my system menu icons back in lucid?
[17:54] <thak> But should it have automatically gone to Lucid?
[17:54] <thak> I still see karmic
[17:54] <ZykoticK9> thak, actually someone else who updated had that issue with Partner repo as well.
[17:57] <Steve[cug]> looks like I still need to install bcmwl-kernel-source ;)
[17:59] <blindskull13> why cant i enable my icons in the system menu the way i used to be able to
[18:04] <FFForever> How can I burn an iso in the ubuntu beta?, double clicking the iso brings up the archive manager
[18:05] <blindskull13> @ffforever which distro are you running?
[18:05] <blindskull13> lucid?
[18:05] <FFForever> ubuntu
[18:05] <FFForever> yeah
[18:06] <blindskull13> @ffforever right click the iso, and click open in brasero
[18:06] <FFForever> blindskull13, I do not have it under open with =\
[18:06] <ZykoticK9> FFForever, i don't have that option either - just open Brasero
[18:07] <FFForever> I don't have it....
[18:07] <FFForever> =\
[18:07]  * FFForever is reinstalling it via apt...
[18:07] <blindskull13> is brasero installed?
[18:07] <FFForever> Nope... I lost it when upgrading from 9.10 I suppose =\
[18:07] <blindskull13> oh... really.... thats odd
[18:08] <blindskull13> i always fresh install
[18:08] <FFForever> I was too lazy for a fresh install brb
[18:08] <blindskull13> go through the ubuntu software center
[18:09] <abhinav> Hi .. anyone seeing high CPU usage due to multiple kdeinit spawns ? My quad core has all 4 cpus above 88-90%, until I execute dcopserver_shutdown
[18:09] <abhinav> btw this is a ubuntu (gnome) session in use, with some kde apps installed
[18:09] <FFForever> blaamann, I just used apt-get
[18:10] <blindskull13> @abhinav my dual core is barley getting hit, but im not running any kde apps
[18:10] <blindskull13> @abhinav which apps are you running?
[18:11] <abhinav> blindskull13: I am also not running anything as such - if there is any service running, I'm not sure
[18:11] <abhinav> blindskull13: I just see a lot of kdeinit entries in the output of top
[18:12] <vivid> light-themes is almost fully configurable
[18:12] <abhinav> blindskull13: so wanted to check if it is a known issue, else what more info to get
[18:12] <blindskull13> @abhinav fresh install or upgrade?
[18:12] <vivid> the menu button still needs a png for when it is not near the other buttons
[18:13] <blindskull13> @abhinav is your lucid  a fresh install or upgrade?
[18:13] <abhinav> blindskull13: upgrade, also looks like it started happening in past couple of days (I update  and upgradedaily)
[18:14] <blindskull13> that might be why... did you try searching for it on google?
[18:14] <blindskull13> it may already be in a bug report
[18:16] <FFForever> blindskull13, the ubuntu lucid beta 1 cd has no live demo mode?
[18:16] <blindskull13> yes it should
[18:16] <blindskull13> when i installed it did
[18:17] <FFForever> =\ It just has the installer for me... Damn it
[18:17] <blindskull13> then i would download it again
[18:17] <guntbert> FFForever: what CD did you download?
[18:17]  * FFForever is stupid
[18:17] <blindskull13> i never got the option to directly install on mine it went right into the live cd
[18:17] <FFForever> I grabbed the alt cd
[18:18] <blindskull13> oh
[18:18] <FFForever> guntbert, can I drop into a terminal from the alt disk?
[18:19] <guntbert> FFForever: I don't remember right now -- too long ago
[18:19] <blindskull13> are you booted in to the disk?
[18:19] <FFForever> Yeah but since its only the alt I get the cmd line installer with no virtual terminals :(
[18:20] <blindskull13> did you try ctrl+alt+f2
[18:20] <FFForever> yeah
[18:20] <FFForever> bbl
[18:20]  * penguin42 would have expected virtual terminals on ctrl+alt_f[1-6] even on alt cd
[18:20] <kk> Hello Everybody :-) My video playback is too fast. Is this a known problem?
[18:21] <rye> alt+F1 F2 F3 F4 ?
[18:21] <Steve[cug]> hmmmm...where did the menu.lst file goto?
[18:21] <rye> FFForever, ^
[18:21] <penguin42> Steve[cug]: Welcome to Grub 2 - /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:22] <DanaG> wrong: edit /etc/default/grub
[18:22] <DanaG> /boot/grub/grub.cfg is auto-generated.
[18:22] <penguin42> DanaG: Indeed it is, but in the end that's what grub reads
[18:23] <Steve[cug]> ok...well lets say I wanna add i915.powersave=0
[18:23] <Steve[cug]> where would i go?
[18:23] <penguin42> Steve[cug]: You could add it to the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX line in /etc/default/grub
[18:24] <penguin42> Steve[cug]: Then re-run update-grub, or if you just wanted to try it for a few boots (when no updates run) you could just hack it into /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[18:24] <_motti_> markl_: well, there is only one guy at gtkpod that is responding. I installed gtkpod without any succes
[18:26] <Steve[cug]> I really like the new startup and shutdown splash
[18:29] <neglesaks> good weekend y'all
[18:29] <Steve[cug]> wow....fast bootup!
[18:30] <neglesaks> any lucid users with USB 3.0 hard drives that can't mount?
[18:30] <penguin42> someone said that  a week or so - I don't know if it was you or not!
[18:30] <exalt> waiting for dev/mapper/cryptswap1 [SM] what does this mean?
[18:31] <penguin42> exalt: Well I guess you're using encrypted swap, something has decided to wait for it, I'm guessing it's mountall - I'd check it's docs to see wha tthe SM means
[18:32] <exalt> penguin42: encrypted swap??:S is that normal?
[18:33] <penguin42> no
[18:33] <exalt> penguin42: i get it at boot so i cant change it
[18:33] <yofel> exalt: that's bad style, but it means [Skip | maintainence shell]
[18:34] <exalt> yofel: what does it mean?
[18:34] <nightsjammies> here's the pastebin code: http://pastebin.com/dQsgvcap
[18:35] <freinhard> hi!
[18:35] <yofel> exalt: not sure, I remember bug reports about cryptswap issues, but I can't help you with that
[18:35] <freinhard> lucid, kubuntu, datetime settings: should editing the timezone work?
[18:36] <freinhard> doesn't work for me. /etc/timezone stays the same, the "apply" button is greyed
[18:36] <yofel> freinhard: you mean the clock applet settings -> timezones?
[18:37] <arand> Got Vbox to work inside Vbox, I win, and am finally able to test the acpi issues patch on hardy \o/
[18:37] <yofel> ah wait
[18:37] <yofel> you mean the time/date settings, yes, apply is grayed out there o.O
[18:37] <nightsjammies> Vbox inside vbox..o.O hahaha
[18:37] <penguin42> arand: How deep can you stack them :-)
[18:38] <nightsjammies> I say go for 5..
[18:38] <freinhard> yofel: yes, the "Adjust Date and Time" thing then timezones.
[18:38] <freinhard> yofel: bug, feature?
[18:38] <arand> penguin42: Dunno, the most amusing thing is me running lucid inside hardy inside karmic, all has a good reason.
[18:39] <penguin42> arand: Haha interesting ordering
[18:39] <yofel> freinhard: not sure, let me ask around a bit
[18:40] <freinhard> where are the pci id's stored? my atheros wifi card isn't listed properly.
[18:40] <penguin42> freinhard: You could try running update-pciids
[18:41] <freinhard> penguin42: didn't do the trick
[18:41] <penguin42> freinhard: Does it work but just look odd?
[18:41] <exalt> it works now when i do cnt-alt-f1 right in the beginning
[18:42] <ripps> Dude! you can define button layout in the the index.theme file now?
[18:42] <nightsjammies> so can anyone help me?
[18:42] <freinhard> penguin42: i meant to say: it didn't improve anything.
[18:42] <freinhard> penguin42: Network controller: Atheros Communications Inc. Device 002c (rev 01)
[18:42] <penguin42> ripps: Really? I know there is a patch for that that someone was trying
[18:43] <penguin42> freinhard: Yeh but does it actually work as a wireless connection?
[18:43] <ripps> penguin42: the latest version of light-themes comes with it. Other themes go back to the default right layout
[18:43] <penguin42> ripps: Good!
[18:43] <freinhard> penguin42: yes, if it didn't, i wouldn
[18:43] <freinhard> wouldn't be here
[18:44] <ripps> geez, now I'm gonna have to edit the howto for my Ambiance Cold theme when I do an update.
[18:44] <penguin42> freinhard: Ah OK; I'd report it here: http://pciids.sourceforge.net/
[18:45] <dios_mio> ubuntu 10 coming out when?
[18:45] <MarcoPau> dios_mio, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[18:46] <yoasif> anyone know what icon is the policykit icon (the key icon that appears in the indicator applet)?
[18:46] <MarcoPau> isn't is possible to put lucid on a pendrive with usbuntu? it says iso non compatible
[18:47] <penguin42> MarcoPau: Under System->Administration is a make startup disk option that should work
[18:47] <ripps> Now, how do I get the menu button to no longer use the trough images?
[18:48] <MarcoPau> penguin42, I need to do it under windows
[18:48] <penguin42> ah, I don't know the magic for that
[18:49] <MarcoPau> penguin42, I'm having problems on my lucid (mouse and keyboard freeze) and wanted to investigate from windows
[18:50] <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/synaptic/+bug/251378
[18:50] <Damascene> could any one confirm this
[18:52] <MTecknology> Hase anyone been having issues with wireless not coming up after resuming from suspend?
[18:52]  * penguin42 cleans this laptop up ready for an upgrade - I've got a few years of accumulated crud on /
[18:56] <onaogh> when restarting, i see this msg: broken pipeline: could not write bytes
[18:57] <exalt> wie was met nvidia aan het klooien?
[18:58] <DarsVaeda1> did anyone manage to get java running in firefox?
[19:00] <neglesaks> exalt, what is klooien?
[19:00] <Mikerhinos> hi , anybody has a broken console mode with Nvidia official driver ? (lines are all messed up :s)
[19:00] <penguin42> is there a dpkg/apt/aptitude way to purge all packages that aren't installed?
[19:01] <Mikerhinos> penguin42 i think "Ubuntu Tweak" can do what you want
[19:01]  * penguin42 looks
[19:02] <donEduardo_> penguin42: apt-get autoclean
[19:02] <penguin42> donEduardo_: That still left quite a few in 'rc
[19:02] <donEduardo_> penguin42: well... then try apt-get clean ;)
[19:04] <Mikerhinos> apt://ubuntu-tweak ? i don't know if apt links work here , but with that app you can purge cache and do many other usefull things
[19:05] <yofel> DarsVaeda1: java in firefox: works fine with icedtea, but sun-java6-plugin needs a workaround
[19:06] <DarsVaeda1> i have installed openjdk
[19:06] <DarsVaeda1> when i install icedtea firefox won't start up anymore
[19:08] <yofel> penguin42: dpkg -l | grep ^rc | cut -f 3 -d ' '   should give you a list of all packages in RC state
[19:11] <yofel> penguin42: so what I think you want is something like: dpkg -l | grep ^rc | cut -f 3 -d ' ' | xargs sudo dpkg --purge
[19:23] <ruelle> i found out why my computer crashes since i upgraded to 10.4! irqbalance is the crasher.
[19:25] <neglesaks> ruelle, you might want to file a bug about it - use terminal: ubuntu-bug irqbalance
[19:26] <ruelle> it was very hard for me to find out what causes my computer to become unusable. now i can try out the new ubuntu!
[19:27] <neglesaks> good job!
[19:30] <howlymowly_> hi poeple... short question:  I can not execute java programs in 10.04..  Am I doing something wrong? --> I always get errors like "Could not find the main class.."
[19:31] <penguin42> yofel: Yeh, I was wondering if there was a flag to do that
[19:32] <penguin42> yofel: But a pipe like that is easy enough
[19:37] <Mikerhinos> am i the only one that is on Nvidia driver , doesn't need to reinstall it after kernel update (yeah! lol) and have a broken/messed up console mode ? (ctrl+alt+F1)
[19:39] <Steve[cug]> damn....looks like this video bug isnt the already reported one
[19:42] <ruelle> neglesaks: my solution: just uninstall irqbalance via synaptic. with your hint i found out that my bug is already well-known.
[19:45] <neglesaks> ruelle, nice :)
[19:50] <Mikerhinos> seems like i don't have access to usb on virtualbox anymore :s
[19:51] <mikeconcepts> some icons were off screen in remix, changed font size to 9 from 10 to fix
[19:51] <ZykoticK9> Mikerhinos, when I was using the PUEL version of VBox i had to use this work-around to get USB working http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/virtualbox#TOC-USB-support-with-Lucid
[19:55] <rewati>  hi i wanted to know ubuntu 10.04  dose it support iphone??
[19:55] <Mikerhinos> ZykoticK9 i'm already listed in vboxusers :s usb was working on virtualbox yesterday
[19:56] <ZykoticK9> Mikerhinos, don't know then - but I always had to use the hald --daemon=no part ? if it was working yesterday disregard I guess
[19:58] <Mikerhinos> i'll try again after tomorrows update never mind , i have another pc with ubuntu 9.10 so i'll use it to do what i want , thanks anyway :)
[20:00] <rewati>  hi i wanted to know ubuntu 10.04  dose it support iphone??
[20:01] <Steve[cug]> rewati: firsty, it's does not dose.  also we got you the first time, no need to spam
[20:02] <Mikerhinos> i think you need itunes , so you need virtualbox with a windows virtual machine , and well , good bye
[20:02] <ZykoticK9> Steve[cug], dose?
[20:03] <Steve[cug]> look at rewati's last line
[20:03] <ZykoticK9> Steve[cug], ahhh
[20:03] <Steve[cug]> ;)
[20:04] <Steve[cug]> i wasnt gonna say anything the first time...but when they just hit <up arrow> + <enter> until they get an answer, I thought it was worth noting
[20:04] <h00k> my clock is off an hour suddenly.
[20:04] <Steve[cug]> gah!  The screen completely bugged
[20:05] <IamVig> This is neato, but Freenode states that I am already on?
[20:05]  * gnomefreak confirms that you really are here
[20:05] <IamVig> Sweet!
[20:06] <IamVig> I am here twice now, I guess.
[20:07] <IamVig> Anyways, I did the apt-get update on start, do I also need to upgrade?
[20:07]  * gnomefreak only sees 1 of you :)
[20:07] <gnomefreak> IamVig: depending on what you are trying to do
[20:07] <IamVig> gnomefreak: My name is Vigo
[20:08] <gnomefreak> but update doesnt nothing except grab new info from server
[20:08] <gnomefreak> ah
[20:08] <h00k> Update grabs the latest version information of software in the repository, upgrade actually upgrades packages that you have installed.
[20:09] <IamVig> Okee dokee, I did upgrade also, so all good, Thank you.
[20:10] <IamVig> Let me look around the system and discover what I can....
[20:12] <IamVig> I will be back, I think I found the error.
[20:12] <IamVig> Thank you.
[20:13]  * gnomefreak wasnt sure if he was upgrading Lucid to Lucid or Karmic to Lucid
[20:21] <kassah> is there a way on launchpad to see where a package sits in the build queue?
[20:24] <yofel> kassah: I think you'll have a better chance for an answer if you ask in #launchpad
[20:25] <kassah> thanks =)
[20:28] <Steve[cug]> well if I can get this damn video issue worked out I'll be golden
[20:30] <gellmar> hello! Why the latest netboot kernel for Lucid does not recognize eiher IDE or SATA drives?
[20:30] <gellmar> the previous one I used ten days ago did that fine
[20:31] <gellmar> and now... select the driver for your HDD?
[20:31] <nick125> Is anyone here having issues with weird black lines in printing output with hplip?
[20:31] <gellmar> while nothing matches
[20:31] <red> when metacity is active i can "bring front" a window by clicking it anywhere
[20:31] <red> but under compiz, only clicking the window title bar works
[20:32] <red> what setting could I have wrong?
[20:32] <BGL-[l]> gellmar: which netbook you using?
[20:32] <gellmar> BGL-I: not netbook
[20:32] <gellmar> netboot linux and initrd
[20:33] <gellmar> i use it to set the os on my desktop
[20:33] <gellmar> without burning cds
[20:33] <gellmar> http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/main/installer-amd64/current/images/netboot/
[20:33] <BGL-[l]> oh ok n/m
[20:37] <gellmar> looks like I will ask the same question for the third time
[20:37] <gellmar> in ubuntu-testing
[20:41] <yofel> gellmar: as this has to do with installing maybe ask in #ubuntu-installer
[20:41] <gellmar> yofel: thanks... already
[20:42] <gellmar> done
[20:42] <gellmar> waiting for an answer
[20:43] <gellmar> and where are ubuntu cd's?
[20:43] <monkey_dust> where can i find the default wallpapers again?
[20:43] <gellmar> there are only dvd's in beta-1
[20:44] <mustelo> is there any reason why my mail-notification icon only shows up when I have mail? otherwise it disappears.
[20:44] <yofel> gellmar: releases.ubuntu.com, cdimage.ubuntu.com doesn't have them for some reason
[20:44] <gellmar> yofel: thanks..
[20:47] <gellmar> looks like I will use schroot from my jaunty livecd
[20:47] <gellmar> as far as netboot is gone...
[20:50] <gellmar> yofel: do you know where the previous netboots are stored?
[20:51] <gellmar> i.e alpha-3
[20:51] <gellmar> it worked fine
[20:51] <yofel> no, never used netboot
[20:51] <red> anyone know what setting controls how windows are brought to front upon clicking?
[20:51] <red> on metacity clickign anywhere works, but in compiz I have to click the window title to bring it to front.
[20:52] <alex_mayorga> anyone else still suffering of telepathy-butterfly bustage?
[20:53] <AbortD> is it possible to uninstall xfce and install gnome?
[20:53] <AbortD> through command line
[20:55] <penguin42> AbortD: To install gnome just install the ubuntu-desktop package, to uninstall xfce hmm - try uninstalling xubuntu-desktop and asking it to do an autoremove? or failing that find one of the libraries that only xfce uses and remove that
[20:55] <AbortD> well if i install gnome wont it add all the programs plus the xfce programs to my menus
[20:56] <_Techie_> is the unable ot enumerate device on port #, when *buntu treats USB 2.0 ports as 1.1 bug still in lucid?
[20:57] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, to remove all of xfce see (this was written for Karmic, but it's probably still apply) http://www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/puregnome
[20:58] <ZykoticK9> s/it's/it'll
[20:58] <AbortD> :P
[20:58] <gnomefreak> yofel: do you know if there is a reason that parted and udisks are superseeded by something? they have both been kept back for a while
[20:59] <ZykoticK9> gnomefreak, to correct that just run "sudo apt-get install libparted0"
[20:59] <yofel> gnomefreak: try to manually install libparted0 in synaptic and see if that resolves it
[21:00] <gnomefreak> ah ok thanks
[21:00] <avar> What's the primary ubuntu mirror? I can only find some vague statements about all $COUTRY.archive.ubuntu.org mirrors being "primary" but they're not all as up to date.
[21:00] <avar> I want to get some new packages to see if they fixed a bug I'm experiencing
[21:02] <yofel> avar: the main server is archive.ubuntu.com and all mirrors are synced from there, even the "official" ones
[21:03] <yofel> how up-to-date they are depens on how often they're synced
[21:03] <yofel> but if you need a freshly-built package you'll have to use archive.ubuntu.com if you want it fast
[21:03] <avar> sweet, thanks
[21:03] <avu> well, usually the syncs are triggered by dinstall runs
[21:04] <avu> so well maintained mirrors should never be more than a few minutes behind
[21:04] <avar> I just updated on de.archive & upgraded, then switched to us.archive and us.* had 27 new packages that de. didn't have yet
[21:04] <avu> (also you should be using a local mirror to be nice to the people donating the bandwidth)
[21:05] <avar> Sure, that's what I usually do, but it's nice to get fresh packages when you're seeing if a new upload fixed a kernel issue you're having :)
[21:06] <avu> sure, that's the one case you'd even use incoming :)
[21:06] <avu> btw, is the ubuntu incoming dir publicly available?
[21:06] <avar> ...and now that I switch from us.archive to archive I have 15 new package upgrades. The mirrors are obviously somewhat fuzzy-synced :)
[21:06] <avu> (are they even using dinstall or is it all launchpad-fu by now?)
[21:07] <avu> avar, well, CC.archive usually points to more than one machine and thus mirror
[21:08] <AbortD> can i install 64bit on a on a i386 system
[21:08] <avar> AbortD: no
[21:08] <AbortD> :(
[21:08] <AbortD> this is sad
[21:08] <AbortD> i downloaded the wrong ubuntu twice haha
[21:09] <AbortD> i now i have 5 ubuntu cds
[21:09] <avar> oops:)
[21:09] <AbortD> i downloaded server thinking it had some kind of gui :P
[21:09] <guntbert> AbortD: don't forget to md5sum check the iso before burning
[21:09] <avu> and there goes your need to worry about presents for the next few friends' birthdays ;)
[21:09] <_Techie_> is the unable ot enumerate device on port #, when *buntu treats USB 2.0 ports as 1.1 bug still in lucid?
[21:09] <AbortD> md5sum?
[21:09] <yofel> i386 on amd64 is possible, amd64 on i386 is physically impossible
[21:09] <guntbert> !md5sum | AbortD
[21:10] <Some_Person> Hmm, it seems like ubuntu is trying to fix the whole button problem, but it's still not perfect
[21:10] <yofel> hey Some_Person
[21:11] <Some_Person> hey yofel
[21:12] <jwhitley> Lucid no longer recognizes my settings in /etc/hal/fdi/policy/mouse-wheel.fdi.  I can see the settings via hal-device, but they aren't picked up correctly when I look at the Xorg logs.  any clues?
[21:13] <jwhitley> (specifically, this worked in Karmic, now doesn't in Lucid beta)
[21:13] <Some_Person> Oddly, the new light-themes (official ubuntu) breaks one-button windows
[21:13] <kklimonda> jwhitley: lucid doesn't use hal anymore for most of core applications (including xorg)
[21:16] <jwhitley> kklimonda: so do I just fall back to amending xorg.conf for customized settings for an input device?
[21:16] <kklimonda> jwhitley: or you can check how it's now handled by udev
[21:17] <AbortD> xfce it is i guess meh
[21:18] <jwhitley> ah, udev.  That's what I was looking for.  online relnotes had no links to the migration plans...  thanks.
[21:20] <AbortD> anyone have flash working on amd64 lucid?
[21:20] <penguin42> AbortD: On chromium not firefox
[21:20] <AbortD> :/ why chromium and not firefox?
[21:22] <penguin42> i dunno; ff crashes on some flash pages for me
[21:22] <penguin42> (on lucid)
[21:22] <AbortD> hm
[21:22] <AbortD> what flash did you install?
[21:23] <penguin42> 10.0r42 apparently
[21:23] <AbortD> was it from the repos or
[21:24] <penguin42> I think I used flashplugin-installer but can't remember
[21:25] <AbortD> just apt install/
[21:25] <AbortD> it
[21:25] <AbortD> ?
[21:26] <penguin42> yeh that should do it
[21:26] <fabio333> hi there
[21:27] <fabio333> a quistion about ff 3.6 in lucid
[21:27] <AbortD> ask it then
[21:27] <fabio333> i see that fonts are not perfect
[21:27] <kklimonda> fabio333: yes, known bug
[21:27] <kklimonda> fabio333: bug 379761
[21:28] <AbortD> not perfect?
[21:28] <fabio333> something about hinting or subpixel lorder
[21:28] <AbortD> i havent had a prob with them i dont think
[21:31] <AbortD> hm kernel oopses after screenlock heh
[21:31] <fabio333> that bug is about ff 3.5 but there fonts are ok
[21:31] <penguin42> AbortD: Most likely either something power save related or 3D driver if they are 3d screensavers
[21:31] <fabio333> everu time  i update firfox the font hinting breaks down
[21:32] <AbortD> its power save
[21:32] <kklimonda> fabio333: 379761 is also about lucid version of firefox but it may also be a bug 512615
[21:32] <AbortD> cant find a fix though
[21:32] <kklimonda> basically we have all kinds of bugs for you to to choose from ;)
[21:32] <fabio333> lol
[21:32] <AbortD> how do you know bug numbers....
[21:33] <fabio333> there is no such issue in the latest thunderbird
[21:33] <kklimonda> AbortD: I'm part of bug control so I get quite a lot reports to my mail
[21:33] <AbortD> oh hehe
[21:35] <Some_Person> Does anyone yet know what's planned to go in the top-right where the buttons were in karmic?
[21:35] <AbortD> Some_Person, you can switch the buttons over
[21:35] <Some_Person> AbortD: I know, and I have
[21:35] <_Techie_> has the bug where ubuntu detects USB 2.0 ports as 1.1 and outputs "unable to enumerate device on port #" appeared in lucid yet?
[21:36] <red> heya
[21:36] <red> checking compiz settings, there is a binding and you can only select buttons 1 through 9
[21:36] <red> what does that Button 1 translate to on a normal keyboard? :p
[21:36] <Some_Person> But Mark Shuttleworth's explanation for the change was that something else will be in the top-right
[21:37] <Some_Person> Does anyone know what that will be yet?
[21:37] <ZykoticK9> red, I'd guess that button if referring to mouse button
[21:37] <kklimonda> Some_Person: no
[21:37] <ChogyDan> Some_Person: do you have the link where he says that?
[21:39] <Some_Person> ChogyDan: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/metacity/+bug/532633/comments/110
[21:39] <ChogyDan> thanks!
[21:39] <Some_Person> I had a dream last night where advertising was inserted into ubuntu
[21:39] <_Techie_> has the bug where ubuntu detects USB 2.0 ports as 1.1 and outputs "unable to enumerate device on port #" appeared in lucid yet?
[21:41] <kklimonda> _Techie_: check launchpad
[21:41] <kklimonda> Some_Person: really, comments like this don't help a discussion..
[21:42] <Some_Person> kklimonda: I never said I thought it would come true. I'm sure it won't.
[21:42] <fabio333> for the font check this: http://i42.tinypic.com/wahymh.png
[21:42] <WindPower> I'm having trouble installing python2.5 and python2.5-dev in lucid beta1... It says "Package python2.5 is not available, but is referred to by another package."
[21:43] <fabio333> we got python 2-6 now
[21:43] <WindPower> Yes, but my application only runs on python 2.5
[21:43] <kklimonda> Some_Person: some people, me included, read comments like that as a light form of trolling when they are made on sliipery subjects. It is probably not your intention but that's how it can be read by others.
[21:44] <Some_Person> That was not my intention
[21:45] <Some_Person> What I was actually saying was that the now-vacant space on the right was used for advertising in my dream, and it made me curious about what would actually be there
[21:46] <fabio333> wow, we got also python 3.1!!!
[21:46] <fabio333> but i can't see the 2.5
[21:47] <fabio333> get it from the pytho.org website...
[21:47] <WindPower> But then I cna't make my app rely on it as a dependency anymore, can I?
[21:47] <WindPower> I'd have to link it statically and it'd make the package huge
[21:47] <kklimonda> WindPower: all versions of python prior to 2.6 has been removed from lucid
[21:47] <fabio333> why do you use the old versione?
[21:47] <gnomefreak> 2.6.4-0ubuntu2 is not 3.0 <<python
[21:48] <kklimonda> WindPower: your app should really be ported over to python 2.6
[21:48] <MTughan> 2.6 is still available?
[21:48] <WindPower> Because some modules I use don't work on pytohn 2.6
[21:48] <WindPower> *python
[21:48] <gnomefreak> MTughan: 2.6.4-0ubuntu2
[21:48] <WindPower> Namely bbfreeze
[21:48] <MTughan> gnomefreak: Good. I haven't seen a python program that runs on 3.0 yet.
[21:48] <WindPower> It won't compile against libpython2.6
[21:49] <fabio333> what is libpython for?
[21:49] <tetsuo__> hello, anyone else suffering from high gamma after updating to latest lucid?
[21:50] <tetsuo__> its diffucult to see stuff like this, i already did xgamma 0.75 but its still too bright
[21:50] <fabio333> WindPower>: a standalone executable
[21:50] <kklimonda> WindPower: if you can port some things over to the 2.6 you have no choice but to link against 2.5 statically. You could also provide your own libpython2.5 library but that's just as messy imo
[21:50] <Some_Person> kklimonda: Besides, in the dream, it was a bad thing
[21:50] <kklimonda> s/can/can't
[21:51] <ChogyDan> tetsuo__: I thought you were cracking some sort of joke
[21:51] <WindPower> Well damn
[21:51] <tetsuo__> ChogyDan: i wish i was
[21:51] <_Techie_> is anyone able do do something about getting the ubuntu team to start fixing Bug #256767
[21:53] <kklimonda> _Techie_: you can do it by buing the paid support from Canonical (I'm going to burn in hell for this remark but still..)
[21:54] <BUGabundo> evening
[21:54] <kklimonda> _Techie_: Ubuntu is a Community project and some bugs are not easy to fix without having a faulty hardware at hand
[21:54] <kklimonda> buying*
[21:54] <_Techie_> ...
[21:54] <dvheumen> hi, I've just updated to Lucid. It went pretty much without a problem, except for this one thing: the asus eeepc acpi utilities had wifi disabled for network manager, and I don't know how to re-enable it and the acpi trigger don't work anymore.
[21:54] <ChogyDan> _Techie_: have you thought about reporting it upstream?
[21:54] <kklimonda> hey BUGabundo :)
[21:55] <dvheumen> at least, I think it is disabled in network manager
[21:55] <BUGabundo> what would you guys say, if I showed you a chromium session using almost 1.5GB of ram?
[21:55] <BUGabundo> lolol
[21:55] <BUGabundo> hi my dear friend whose name I can ever pronounce properly, kklimonda
[21:55] <bjsnider> you have the entire web cached int he browser do you?
[21:55] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: well, that sounds like a ram well spent ;)
[21:56] <BUGabundo> bjsnider: I should check... chromium tends to use HUGE amounts of cache
[21:56] <BUGabundo> I cleaned up my laptop one yesterday and it was almost 4 GBs
[21:57] <BUGabundo> but that record was at office PC... 4 windowns, the bigger one with 8-10 tabs
[21:57] <fabio333> i have disable it on chrome
[21:57] <BUGabundo> eheh
[21:57] <BUGabundo> I should trim mine down to
[21:57] <BUGabundo> to somethjing like 50MBs
[21:57] <AbortD> chromium doesnt send info of your pc out like on windows google programs does it
[21:57] <BUGabundo> AbortD: no tracking ID, no
[21:58] <AbortD> it sends nothing out at all right i mean not even my screen res
[21:59] <tetsuo__> ok it looks like ubuntu is no longer using the closed source ati driver
[22:00] <fabio333> you are wrong
[22:00] <penguin42> _Techie_: I don't think everyone sees the errors you see - so it might be difficult for the devs to replicate; you can use setterm -msglevel to reduce the messages you get
[22:00] <BUGabundo> AbortD: that's not send to google per se
[22:00] <BGL-[l]> it does send out screen res, OS & browser info
[22:00] <MTughan> tetsuo__: Nope, doesn't seem to. I think it uses the radeonhd driver with 3D support.
[22:00] <BUGabundo> but any web server can access that
[22:00] <BUGabundo> as with any browser
[22:00] <tetsuo__> that could explain why the gamma is skewed
[22:00] <AbortD> yeah
[22:00] <BGL-[l]> that's if the browser wants to give it up
[22:00] <BGL-[l]> it doesn't have to
[22:00] <penguin42> MTughan: I think the 'radeon' one not the radeonhd actually
[22:00] <_Techie_> penguin42: thousands of users have reported the same error
[22:01] <AbortD> i just dont want google knowing nothing about me
[22:01] <MTughan> penguin42: I remember reading that radeonhd had 3D support for recent ATI cards. Does radeon too?
[22:01] <fabio333> up to 4800
[22:01] <ddecator> has anyone here tried using a usb wireless internet dongle with ubuntu?
[22:01] <penguin42> _Techie_: I sympathise, (and I'm not one of the ubuntu devs)
[22:01] <penguin42> MTughan: Yes
[22:01] <almoxarife> good news, obama and the russian have agreed to cut nuke war heads, good thing, zoomies can ruin your whole day
[22:01] <BUGabundo> AbortD: then don't use the web.
[22:02] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, you just used a double negative.  If you don't want google to have your info - don't use google, simple.
[22:02] <almoxarife> sorry, wrong channel, still good news
[22:02] <BGL-[l]> including google products
[22:02] <AbortD> i dont :D
[22:03]  * penguin42 reboots into Lucid
[22:03] <ddecator> that's tough, gmail is amazing
[22:03] <AbortD> i only use gmail as temporary registration that involves no personal information
[22:04] <BUGabundo> AbortD: don't you know about spam.la ?
[22:04] <BUGabundo> that's what I use
[22:04] <tetsuo__> nice there is already a ticket for the gamma bug
[22:04] <tetsuo__> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xserver-xorg-video-ati/+bug/548709
[22:04] <BUGabundo> but even if you don't use google, it still tracks you down
[22:05] <AbortD> soam.la?
[22:05] <BUGabundo> spam.la
[22:06] <BUGabundo> from dreamhost
[22:06] <AbortD> im gonna check that out
[22:06] <AbortD> how does it track me down?
[22:06] <ddecator> cookies
[22:06] <BUGabundo> well, let get back OnTopic, shall we ?
[22:06] <BUGabundo> please forward your concerns to #ubuntu-offtopic
[22:06] <BUGabundo> thanks
[22:07] <_Techie_> is lucid going to be based around pulse audio or alsa?
[22:07] <ddecator> pulse, which is based on alsa
[22:07] <MTughan> Based on, or uses ALSA?
[22:07] <tetsuo__> says i need to revert the kernel to fix it
[22:07] <ZykoticK9> _Techie_, Lucid uses Pulse yes (Pulse relies on ALSA for all low level stuff)
[22:07] <tetsuo__> how do i do that lol
[22:07] <MTughan> Yeah, that's what I thought.
[22:08] <ddecator> sorry, bad wording on my part =p
[22:08] <ZykoticK9> Pulse is a replacement for ESD not ALSA
[22:09] <ddecator> does lucid have good support for wireless internet usb dongles?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> ddecator: was always, depends on HW
[22:10] <ddecator> BUGabundo: thanks, i've never used one before but i'm putting ubuntu on an old desktop and want to use wireless, but wanted to make sure before i bought the dongle =p
[22:11] <AbortD> anyone have problems hitting buttons in flash video?
[22:11] <ddecator> AbortD: 64-bit?
[22:11] <AbortD> yup
[22:11] <ZykoticK9> ddecator, fix at http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/clicking-in-flash-not-working
[22:11] <ZykoticK9> sorry AbortD ^
[22:12] <ddecator> AbortD: or the third workaround here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/410407
[22:12] <penguin42> hmm seems to work - lets see if hibernate works
[22:13] <ddecator> plymouth still doesn't work right for me
[22:14] <AbortD> thx ZykoticK9
[22:14] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, glad to help
[22:15] <BUGabundo> ddecator: I just purged it ... again
[22:15] <ddecator> BUGabundo: at least they fixed the hitting <enter> bug
[22:15] <BUGabundo> eheh
[22:19] <zniavre> :o)
[22:20] <zniavre> something went wrong with last plymouth update it does not detect good resolution
[22:20] <ddecator> i still get text showing during every boot, and it's really slow
[22:21] <zniavre> and there is a mountall warning (i can't read it )
[22:22] <red> oh dear, help!
[22:22] <red> just ran safe-upgrade and after boot i get stuck after grub
[22:22] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:22] <BUGabundo> again?
[22:22] <red> last lines i see is init: ureadahead-other main process (807) terminated with statsu 4
[22:22]  * BUGabundo pins back mount-all
[22:22] <red> then 10 lines of modem-manager: loaded plugin nokia, huawei etc
[22:23] <red> BUGabundo: recent issue?
[22:23] <TheSage2010> hmm
[22:23] <TheSage2010> Just got the daily updates. Seems like Python has been giving them trouble.
[22:23] <TheSage2010> err
[22:24] <TheSage2010> Plymoth
[22:24] <red> hrm
[22:24] <red> any suggestions what I should try?
[22:24] <arand> TheSage2010: Always.
[22:24] <BUGabundo> yay
[22:24] <MTughan> zniavre: /var/log/messages might have some clues.
[22:24] <BUGabundo> one more plymouth bug
[22:24] <BUGabundo> seems I choose a good day to purge it
[22:25] <BUGabundo> ahahaha
[22:25] <red> erros before that init stuff is about plymoth too
[22:25] <red> plymoth main process exited with status something
[22:26] <TheSage2010> hmmm
[22:26] <TheSage2010> This has been one of the rougher Beta's thats for sure :)
[22:26] <red> lucid has come pretty fast after karmic too
[22:26] <red> perhaps too fast
[22:26] <red> can't even get to recovery >:|
[22:27] <MTughan> red: Been 6 months. That's standard.
[22:27] <TheSage2010> nahh
[22:27] <TheSage2010> This is standard
[22:28] <TheSage2010> And even though its been a rough Beta, The uTeam always manages to clean it up by release
[22:28] <TheSage2010> Its good practice for them :) God knows what kind of Chaos will ensure when Gnome 3.0 comes around.
[22:28]  * nick125 installs Gentoo on red's machine.....bahahah!
[22:29] <red> older version in the grub list worked
[22:29] <red> atleast for recovery
[22:30] <nick125> That's odd. What kernel version isn't working?
[22:30] <red> latest
[22:30] <red> updated hour ago and reboot stuck
[22:30] <arand> TheSage2010: hopefully it will be similarly parallel as metacity-compiz, so it can afford to fail a bit.
[22:30] <red> removing plymoth and retrying latest boot
[22:30] <nick125> 2.6.32-17?
[22:31] <TheSage2010> nick125: I have had issues with -17
[22:31] <TheSage2010> nick125: Mainly it broke my internet. (I think it has to do with my wireless)
[22:31] <TheSage2010> -16 still works though
[22:31] <nick125> Ah. My wireless is always broken, so I wouldn't know ;)
[22:31] <red> it's -17 thats causing problems aye, 16 wouldnt boot now either but atlesast leet me to get to recovery.
[22:32] <red> stupid netbook keyb
[22:32] <red> cant type with this x)
[22:32] <TheSage2010> arand: Yes, they would do well to go take a look at KDE's 4.0 transition and learn from there mistakes.
[22:32] <red> -17 just leaves me a blinking cursor 1/3rd down from top without no text anywhere
[22:34] <AbortD> ZykoticK9, you still around
[22:34] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, yup
[22:34] <TheSage2010> Beta 2 comes out in a few days right?
[22:34] <red> -16 boots yay
[22:35] <ZykoticK9> TheSage2010, 13 days
[22:35] <red> curse thee -17
[22:35] <AbortD> after i did what you showed me whenever i exit youtube after watching a video nviewer crashes
[22:35] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, I haven't run into that issue? sorry man don't know what to suggest.
[22:36] <AbortD> dang
[22:37] <TheSage2010> ZykoticK9: Ahhh, I might just wait till Beta 2 comes out and start fresh
[22:37] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, and your npviewer file looks like http://paste.ubuntu.com/402068/
[22:38] <nick125> I'm tempted to reinstall when the final release comes out.
[22:39] <TheSage2010> Well... I am no linux expert, but I can file bug reports with the best of them. Its one of the few ways I can help em out.
[22:40] <AbortD> ZykoticK9, mine doesnt have the npviewer line on the top and the one on the bottom has only one "." by it
[22:40] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, sorry no that was just a path to the file - should have made that more clear!
[22:41] <AbortD> oh haha my bad
[22:41] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, just retested and it's not happening here?  sorry, I got nothing.
[22:42] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, are you using Flash from Ubuntu?
[22:42] <AbortD> says my target architect is i386 should that say amd64?
[22:42] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, no it should say i386
[22:42] <AbortD> k
[22:42] <AbortD> could it be because some video lags for me causing nviewer to hang?
[22:43] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, what flash version?  did you install from ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[22:43] <AbortD> i did the flash installer
[22:43] <AbortD> flashplugin-installer
[22:43] <AbortD> i think it was
[22:43] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, ya that's the same version U-R-E uses.
[22:44] <AbortD> U-R-E?
[22:44] <ZykoticK9> ubuntu-restricted-extras
[22:44] <AbortD> oh
[22:44] <tigerwolf> hey all!
[22:45] <tigerwolf> ne one know how to get the restricted drivers to install without a wired connection
[22:45] <Pupuser402> Hey all, any major bugs in the New Ubuntu?
[22:45] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, do you happen to have Chromium installed?  Does it happen there too?
[22:45] <Pupuser402> tigerwolf. you can go to another pc and download it on to a flash drive
[22:45] <tigerwolf> I cannot get Synaptic to mount my live dvd to install the restricted drivers
[22:46] <AbortD> ZykoticK9, no chromium
[22:46] <AbortD> i have google fears
[22:46] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, OH right - you mentioned that earlier - sorry
[22:46] <Pupuser402> abort..i understand
[22:46] <tigerwolf>  <Pupuser402> yah
[22:46] <AbortD> :P is chromium in the repos?
[22:46] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, yup
[22:46] <Pupuser402> i havent noticed
[22:47] <MTughan> ZykoticK9: What about Opera as a second tester?
[22:47] <AbortD> i might consider trying
[22:47] <Pupuser402> Opera is there
[22:47] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, see MTughan suggestion!
[22:47] <AbortD> it doesnt send personal info though?
[22:47] <AbortD> ooo
[22:47] <AbortD> good idea
[22:47] <tigerwolf>  <Pupuser402> where is the download site?
[22:48] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, actually - i'm not sure that will work (but worth a shot), 'perhaps' Opera doesn't handle flash the same way
[22:48] <AbortD> true
[22:48] <Pupuser402> tiger i got mine on Softpedia, but that was a while back.
[22:48] <AbortD> does chromium?
[22:48] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, chromium/firefox use the same click-fix yes
[22:49] <AbortD> and you said chromium doesnt send personal info to google?
[22:49] <Pupuser402> they all send personal info
[22:49] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, oh it could - i wouldn't recommend it for you (in particular)
[22:49] <Pupuser402> more like just which sites you visit most
[22:49] <AbortD> firefox has always made me feel safe
[22:50] <Pupuser402> FireFox works
[22:50] <AbortD> i might install chromium
[22:50] <Pupuser402> enjoy
[22:50] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, the other workaround would be to use the 64bit flash for firefox!
[22:50] <MTughan> I don'
[22:50] <AbortD> they're gonna connect me to skynet
[22:50] <MTughan> I don't like Chrome/Chromium. Can't handle the number of tabs I use.
[22:50] <AbortD> 64bit work good?
[22:50] <Pupuser402> unknown
[22:50] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, ? i've never actually tried it
[22:51] <AbortD> how many is that?
[22:51] <AbortD> hm
[22:51] <MTughan> AbortD: If your computer supports 64-bits, should be all right.
[22:51] <AbortD> i had flash working before zykotik
[22:51] <AbortD> it was flawless
[22:51] <AbortD> do i just sudo apt-get purge flashplugin-installer then?
[22:51] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, ? as I said "I've never actually tried it"
[22:52] <AbortD> i mean purge the old plugin
[22:52] <AbortD> from U-R-E
[22:52] <Pupuser402> FireFox has the option to (Private Browse) but if you dont want search engines to collect your info, use IXQUICK search
[22:52] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, same as above - i have no idea - but to be safe, I would (but obviously, don't know)
[22:52] <ddecator> there, finally reported my plymouth issue =)
[22:53] <AbortD> startpage is nice
[22:53] <Pupuser402> yeah
[22:54] <AbortD> 64 flash in repos?
[22:54] <Pupuser402> if you use the computer at your work. its best if you download PuppyLinux and use it off the drive. Wont leave any info on the CPU at work
[22:54] <AbortD> laptop
[22:55] <Pupuser402> Puppy is sweet. 105megs is all it has.
[22:55] <AbortD> haha nice
[22:55] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, no 64bit flash isn't in repo
[22:55] <Pupuser402> runs off the RAM memory
[22:57] <Pupuser402> no trace
[22:58] <Pupuser402> plus it runs alot of applications they may restrict from employees from using..LOL
[22:58] <Pupuser402> like youtube, facebook,etc
[22:58] <Pupuser402> nice indeed
[22:58] <AbortD> i think i need to go to the adobe site heh
[22:59] <Pupuser402> 601
[22:59] <ddecator> AbortD: why?
[22:59] <arand> !ot | Pupuser402
[22:59] <AbortD> ddecator, to get flash 64bit
[22:59] <Pupuser402> ok..601
[22:59] <ddecator> AbortD: the 32-bit flash in the repos works fine on 64-bit, just as long as you correct the gtk issue
[22:59] <AbortD> i did
[23:00] <AbortD> but i still get laggy flash on some video sites
[23:00] <AbortD> it causes my cpu to run at near 100%
[23:01] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, that's flash - working as designed... poorly
[23:01] <ddecator> yah, the plugin wrapper can do that, especially for flash games, but i don't have that in lucid anymore, only had it in karmic
[23:01] <AbortD> ZykoticK9, before it ran fine
[23:02] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, before what exactly?
[23:02] <AbortD> before i went to lucid beta
[23:02] <ddecator> heh, upgrading improved it for me =p
[23:02] <AbortD> and when i ran the current build
[23:02] <David-T> am i the only person seeing brokeness with the current gnome-terminal and metacity packages? they aren't registering gconf schemas correctly.  e.g. bug 533298. (though if i rebuild them locally they work fine.)
[23:02] <AbortD> the current lucid build worked
[23:14] <David-T> oh. actually it's gnome-terminal-data and metacity-common, and just reinstalling them fixed the problem
[23:15] <deanus> the MeMenu sets the status in empathy I set in MeMenu, all except invisible
[23:18] <bjwebb> meh, why does lucid still only have twisted 9
[23:18] <BUGabundo>   python-twisted-core: Depends: python-twisted-bin (>= 10.0.0-2) but 9.0.0-1 is installed.
[23:18] <bjwebb> oh, it doesn't
[23:18] <BUGabundo> it doesn't
[23:18] <BUGabundo> its upgrading TODAY
[23:18] <bjwebb> yeahh!!!
[23:19] <bjwebb> just realised i read the one that was being replaced, not the replacement
[23:19] <bjwebb> \o/
[23:19] <BUGabundo> The following packages are BROKEN:
[23:19] <BUGabundo>   python-twisted-core
[23:19] <deanus> as for Gwibber and the social aspect of memenu and its place etc, I dont see its point since it doesnt actually DO anything..you have to run the program to see your facebook account updates, and it doesnt even show any 'likes' or replies..  ..
[23:19] <BUGabundo> seems I need something else to build
[23:20] <BUGabundo> deanus: works fine for µblogs
[23:20] <BUGabundo> like identica/statusnet
[23:20] <BUGabundo> you just have to tick off the darn stupid reply ONLY option
[23:20] <deanus> btw, what is the plymouth-theme-fade-in  that got installed.. i see no difference anywhere.
[23:20] <deanus> BUGabundo, oh, well I only use FB, rarely at the mo..
[23:21] <BUGabundo> no idea
[23:21] <deanus> I think I`ll just remove the memenu anyway, its doing nothing in reality.
[23:21] <BUGabundo> I don't have a FB account
[23:21] <BUGabundo> sure it does
[23:21] <BUGabundo> my email, IM, etc shows there
[23:22] <deanus> the indicator-applet-session I`m talkin about
[23:22] <deanus> the message icon applet up there is ok I guess...
[23:23] <deanus> just the one where you set your messaging status (I can do that in my messenger)  and etc etc, are quite useless, to me.
[23:23] <deanus> might be useful to some I guess, but not me.
[23:24] <alex_mayorga> are the "orangeish" progress bars here to stay?
[23:25] <BUGabundo> oh I use the other to change pidgin status
[23:26] <Machtin> how can i downgrade to java update 17?
[23:27] <deanus> BUGabundo, thats what I`m talking about, that other menu.. which does actulally nothing..I assumed it would update me somehow.. it does not
[23:27] <BUGabundo> Machtin: not easy
[23:28] <Machtin> okay, then never mind+
[23:28] <BUGabundo> go look at Launchpad builds
[23:28] <BUGabundo> and get the old one
[23:28] <deanus> At least, as far as FB goes anyhow..  if all its there for is to set status, set 'social' status then I`ll have the space back :)
[23:28] <BUGabundo> but keep in mind older ones may have security fails
[23:28] <BUGabundo> file a bug
[23:30] <AbortD> man what the f why wont flash work properly now
[23:31] <BUGabundo> AbortD: like missed clicks?
[23:31] <AbortD> laggy video on some websites
[23:32] <BUGabundo> bug 410407
[23:32] <AbortD> i have that fixed
[23:33] <AbortD> laggy video is my problem
[23:33] <BUGabundo> AbortD: ask in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[23:47] <mozmck> I'm getting a dbus error when I try to go to "network"
[23:47] <mozmck> My karmic machines have no problems seeing the network and other computers on it.
[23:49] <penguin42> mozmck: What's the full error?  How is your network connected? Is ΩnetworkManager' running?
[23:49] <deanus> my broadcom wireless is hit and miss wether its working at startup, and fglrx cant enable effects..
[23:51] <deanus> the purple bootsplash is a little different also.... no dots, and random snowflakes!
[23:53] <dooglus> I used to be able to mount a shared folder on the server like this:
[23:53] <dooglus>   smbmount //server/bigdrive ~/big -o user=deb,passwd=pass
[23:54] <dooglus> but since upgrading to 10.04 I can't
[23:54] <dooglus> I now get 'mount error(1): Operation not permitted'
[23:54] <penguin42> dooglus: If you put a sudo before it does it work ?
[23:54] <dooglus> if I put 'sudo' in front of 'smbmount' it works
[23:54] <dooglus> I didn't used to need to do that
[23:54] <penguin42> are you sure?
[23:54] <dooglus> certain
[23:55] <dooglus> I have an alias that does it
[23:55] <penguin42> hmm curious - not sure why it would have worked!
[23:55] <dooglus> the alias hasn't changed
[23:55] <dooglus> the alias:
[23:55] <dooglus> alias big='mount | grep -q chris/big || smbmount //server/bigdrive ~/big -o user=deb,passwd=pass; cd ~/big'
[23:55] <penguin42> a load of stuff related to disk access has changed with the loss of hal - but I wouldn't have thought that would have affected network stuff
[23:56] <dooglus> smbmount uses 'fuse', right?  it's a user-space filesystem thingy - designed to be used by regular users - and so no need for 'sudo'
[23:58] <mozmck> penguin42: network is connected through a wired switch. I didn't check if networkManager is running
[23:58] <penguin42> mozmck: Worth checking and get the exact error
[23:58] <penguin42> dooglus: I don't think smbmount uses fuse, I thought it did a real mount
[23:58] <mozmck> A fresh install of karmic sees the network just fine.  let me do that right quick
[23:59] <dooglus> penguin42: maybe you're right
[23:59] <lucian_> is there a way i can shut down pulseaudio?
[23:59] <lucian_> i dont wnat it
[23:59] <lucian_> want*
[23:59] <dooglus> lucian_: I'm sure you can uninstall it