[00:01] <knome> gnight!
[01:33] <LLStarks> hi kwwii, quick question. is this a known bug? http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1491/windowcontrols.png
[07:26] <vish> knome: damn you! there is no real channel  #ubuntu-human-haters  ;p
[07:27] <vish> kwwii: you just had to do it didnt ya?   panel-menu=22,22    :(
[07:28] <vish> humanity does not have several icons in 22px :s
[07:32] <darkmatter> 22. hehe. enjoy scrolling to find crap :P
[07:40] <vish> heh, just when i thought i was done with humanity for lucid :s
[08:22] <knome> vish, haha :P
[13:22] <xivulon> michaelforrest hi
[13:22] <xivulon> evand informed me that you are working on some artwork for wubi
[13:23] <xivulon> what is the scope of that?
[13:23] <xivulon> Some new artwork for the app/website would be quite welcome
[13:24] <thorwil> xivulon: hi! if so, i wonder why nobody informed me ;)
[13:26] <xivulon> Hi!
[13:26] <xivulon> I didn't know either, evand just told me about that on #ubuntu-installer
[13:27] <xivulon> but hey, great!
[13:33] <michaelforrest> hi xivulon
[13:33] <xivulon> hi
[13:33] <michaelforrest> yeah I'm looking at this
[13:33] <michaelforrest> no progress yet though
[13:35] <michaelforrest> let me hassle someone for you
[13:35] <vish> huh! seems i missed something interesting .. people talk only when i'm disconnected ;p
[13:36]  * vish plans to stay disconnected longer that more chat can happen here ;)
[13:36] <xivulon> michaelforrest  is this for the app itself, the website, the ubuntu.com page?
[13:36] <xivulon> fyi thorwill was very helpful in the past
[13:36] <michaelforrest> this would be for the app itself
[13:37] <michaelforrest> as it has the old logo
[13:37] <xivulon> fyi there are some technical limitations, since the GUI we use does not really support transparency
[13:37] <xivulon> and we cannot do graphics on the background of other widgets
[13:38] <xivulon> so at the moment we have one-colour background and fixed size images for the header and the left hand size
[13:38] <xivulon> side
[13:39] <thorwil> michaelforrest: you mean the old ubuntu logo? just in case you want to change the wubi logo itself, i'd appreciate if you talk with me, first
[13:39] <xivulon> some updating for the wubi-installer.org website to incorporate the new style guidelines would be also welcome
[13:41] <michaelforrest> yes we're working on that
[13:41] <michaelforrest> structuring guidelines
[13:42] <xivulon> The relevant wubi-app images are here: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/wubi/trunk/files/head%3A/data/images/
[13:42] <xivulon> I would need a replacement for each of those images, and you can choose exactly 1 background color for the whole app.
[13:43] <xivulon> As for the website, here is the css: http://wubi-installer.org/wubi.css
[13:47] <xivulon> many thanks in advance, looking forward to that!
[14:58] <thorwil> http://mairin.wordpress.com/2010/03/25/getting-ready-for-fedora-13-to-rock-it/
[15:29] <mikebeecham> good afternoon...have I found the right channel where the principal designers for the new  Ubuntu UIs hang out?
[15:29] <mikebeecham> I was hoping I could talk to someone and hope to contribute in some way...I'm an interface designer
[15:39] <pace_t_zulu> kwwii, ping
[15:42] <kwwii> pace_t_zulu: hi
[15:43] <pace_t_zulu> kwwii, I am looking at getting that printer test page resolved
[15:44] <pace_t_zulu> should I go ahead and produce the new test page .ps files?
[15:44] <mikebeecham> hi guys...did anyone see my post in this channel just now?
[15:45] <kwwii> pace_t_zulu: yes, that would be a good idea...the logo is now attached
[15:45] <pace_t_zulu> kwwii, on it :)
[15:45] <kwwii> pace_t_zulu: if you have time and patience to do it, please do
[15:45] <kwwii> thanks!
[15:45] <kwwii> mikebeecham: no
[15:47] <mikebeecham> ok..sorry, let me repost:
[15:47] <mikebeecham> good afternoon...have I found the right channel where the principal designers for the new  Ubuntu UIs hang out?
[15:47] <mikebeecham> I was hoping I could talk to someone and hope to contribute in some way...I'm an interface designer
[15:57] <pace_t_zulu> kwwii, you'd use inkscape for this... right? i've got the letter page no problem
[16:00] <kwwii> pace_t_zulu: hrm, I would just use something to create the page and then print to ps
[16:00] <kwwii> pace_t_zulu: but I never did this stuff, so however you get it working is good
[16:09] <troy_s> mikebeecham: You have a portfolio up online at Behance or like place? Might help get you some interest.
[16:11] <mikebeecham> hi troy...not really...I have my photobucket account and my deviantart account, which has a SHED load of stuff, most proof of concept, etc
[16:11] <mikebeecham> I'm also creating iphone icons for when people need them...they're on my posterous blog...
[16:11] <mikebeecham> i really need to centralise a lot of this stuff
[16:11] <troy_s> mikebeecham: I am totally unrelated to the big C, but I'd say promoting work is likely your best avenue. That said, I strongly suspect they have their own visions.
[16:12] <troy_s> mikebeecham: If people value your work though, the chance to do some ballsy design is out there... you just need to find a project you think is worthy and see if they are open to your work.
[16:12] <troy_s> mikebeecham: Links?
[16:13] <mikebeecham> well,  probably the best example of my UI work is the Plex Media Center on the mac platform.  The default UI is mine....you can also see it posted on a mate's website, teamrazorfish.co.uk
[16:13] <mikebeecham> then:
[16:13] <mikebeecham> http://mikebeecham.photobucket.com/
[16:13] <mikebeecham> http://mikebeecham.deviantart.com/gallery
[16:13] <mikebeecham> and for icons:
[16:13] <mikebeecham> http://mikebeecham.posterous.com
[16:14] <mikebeecham> that should give you an idea
[16:14] <troy_s> mikebeecham: Lovely stuff Mike.
[16:14] <mikebeecham> thanks troy_s
[16:15] <troy_s> mikebeecham: Do you have any all original pieces?
[16:15] <troy_s> mikebeecham: Or do you prefer to do remix styled work?
[16:15] <mikebeecham> ..and I've been messing with the colours on Ambience slightly:
[16:15] <mikebeecham> http://img401.imageshack.us/i/ubuntuambience2.png/
[16:15] <mikebeecham> original?
[16:15] <mikebeecham> MediaStream UI is mine from scratch
[16:15] <mikebeecham> thats the Plex UI
[16:15] <troy_s> mikebeecham: Sorry... that came off wrong. I meant all sources from yourself etc.
[16:16] <troy_s> mikebeecham: I can't find the plex ui thing.
[16:16] <mikebeecham> http://www.teamrazorfish.co.uk/mediastream.html
[16:16] <troy_s> mikebeecham: Ah yes. I think Cory pointed me at the Razorfish stuffs.
[16:17] <mikebeecham> razorfish is the team I created when I was on the XBMC team...
[16:17] <troy_s> mikebeecham: You have a twist of surrealism in there. ;)
[16:17] <troy_s> mikebeecham: I love it.
[16:17] <mikebeecham> Mediastream was my design, with some contributors coding it...I then ported it to mac
[16:17] <troy_s> mikebeecham: It's really lovely stuff.
[16:17] <mikebeecham> and yes, I do like my surrealism!
[16:18] <mikebeecham> these are all my icons from scratch, that were meant to go into an XBMC theme that never made it: http://s15.photobucket.com/albums/a365/mikebeecham/Pandora/
[16:19] <troy_s> mikebeecham: Nagging for a pass.
[16:19] <mikebeecham> excel59
[16:20] <troy_s> mikebeecham: Some exceptionally good work on your DA page. Props.
[16:20] <mikebeecham> amendment to Ubuntu....
[16:20] <mikebeecham> http://img169.imageshack.us/i/ubuntuambience2.png
[16:20] <mikebeecham> thanks mate
[16:21] <troy_s> mikebeecham: Bzorked link. (And quite frankly, that bevel that they decided to put in just can't be resurrected into anything respectable no matter how desperately people try. LOL)
[16:21] <mikebeecham> http://img169.imageshack.us/i/ubuntuambience2.png/
[16:21] <mikebeecham> bevel CAN be good if it's gentle
[16:21] <mikebeecham> lol
[16:22] <troy_s> mikebeecham:  Alright we will agree to disagree. LOL. It just looks like a mess buried under a mess of desperation to avoid the connotation.
[16:22] <troy_s> mikebeecham: But at any rate... lovely stuff. What did you do Curvature in?
[16:22] <mikebeecham> all done in photoshop
[16:23] <mikebeecham> again, thanks sir!
[16:23] <mikebeecham> personally, I would lose the bevel at the top
[16:25] <troy_s> mikebeecham: Your nick regged?
[16:25] <mikebeecham> it is
[16:29] <thorwil> mikebeecham: hi! it's not exactly easy to get involved in a meaningful way. especially in the case of ubuntu, because there's a full-time payed design team
[16:30] <mikebeecham> hi thorwill
[16:30] <thorwil> mikebeecham: your chances would be much better with a smaller project. a single application
[16:30] <mikebeecham> not a problem...I meant only to throw my hat in the ring and say "I would like to help out, and am available to"
[16:31] <thorwil> michaelforrest: yes, i understand that. i just happen to know that this doesn't work
[16:31] <troy_s> thorwil: OOPS.
[16:32] <mikebeecham> well, it's no pressure on me...I consider myself well informed :D
[16:32] <thorwil> arg
[16:33] <thorwil> mikebeecham: if you want to get involved, you pretty much need to act. passive approach leads nowhere (even if it should in case of obvious skill/talent)
[16:34] <mikebeecham> cool...I just go knock up 'Mubuntu'  over the weekend :D
[16:36] <mikebeecham> I've done some work already for Mac and Android, which hopefully should garner some favour on those platforms..I use Ubuntu as my main OS of choice in the office, so maybe some projects will appear that will help me "give something back"
[16:40] <thorwil> mikebeecham: : that's nice. but try to set a realistic goal, of what you want to achieve with a mockup. influencing the official theme is hard to impossible. would you consider to turn your mockup into an actual theme?
[16:41] <mikebeecham> oooook....
[16:41] <mikebeecham> 1) In answer to your question, yes I would be more than happy to do that
[16:41] <thorwil> guess i'm a great provider of stop energy, but we've seen so many mockups over time ...
[16:43] <mikebeecham> 2) Your tone (just in case you didn't know) is VERY patronising thorwil.  The effort to contribute to a greater goal is not a 'nice' but unrealistic goal...it's something of great worth.  Incidentally, yes, it's a mockup...a proof of concept.  However, I've more than proven myself in many other areas...but thanks anyway!
[16:44] <thorwil> mikebeecham: what i was trying to get across is not at all about your abilities, but the situation
[17:11] <vish> kwwii: hi.. have you considered fixing this bug as well? > bug #533541
[17:13] <vish> kwwii: oh , nvm , it has been fixed ;p
[17:14]  * vish closes bug
[17:32] <rikai> thorwil, to be fair, the way you phrased it did sound quite harsh :P
[17:33] <rikai> though i understand what you were saying to him :)
[18:08] <thorwil> rikai: yeah, obviously i need a better way to say it ... or i need to learn to not care at all
[19:21] <zniavre>  New option: cellstyle = 0 to remove the border around the selected cell.  > somebody can tell me what is cell please ?
[21:02] <kwwii> zniavre: it removes the border around the selected cell
[21:02] <kwwii> not 100% sure but I assume it is a cell in a listview
[21:03] <kwwii> hrm, or treeview
[21:03] <kwwii> if Cimi was here we could simply ask him
[21:05] <darkmatter> hmmm.... looks like opensuse is dropping the oxygen in kde
[21:05] <darkmatter> "cross-desktop themeing" :D
[21:06] <darkmatter> so I'll take that as 'Sonar all around" or "a hawt new theme that looks great in both kde and gnome"
[21:08] <kwwii> wow
[21:08] <darkmatter> kwwii: you should crack the whip or have a designated slave driver crack one for you and have them do something similar in kubuntu ;o
[21:08] <kwwii> that is stupid
[21:08] <kwwii> I started oxygen while I worked for suse
[21:09] <kwwii> I guess they cannot get any support from the oxygen team because they no longer work for them
[21:10] <kwwii> I know I haven't been working on any bugs for them lately :-)
[21:11] <darkmatter> kwwii: I think it's just the widgets/plasma/kwin. it's not really stupid (they'll still have oxygen in the settings), as it's a matter of distro specific branding. but that's just my opinion
[21:11] <kwwii> so now if I work on it, I am doing it only for kubuntu, good deal really
[21:11] <kwwii> ahhhh
[21:12] <kwwii> that makes sense
[21:12] <darkmatter> don't get me wrong, oxygen is nice, it's just gotten a wee bit to shiney of late
[21:12] <kwwii> don
[21:12] <kwwii> don't see any problems with that, really
[21:12] <kwwii> I haven
[21:12] <kwwii> urgh
[21:12] <kwwii> new keyboard
[21:12] <kwwii> sorry
[21:12] <darkmatter> ahh
[21:12] <kwwii> I have not worked on oxygen for a couple of years, really
[21:13] <darkmatter> kwwii: punch it a few times, I've discovered that works wonders with breaking in the keys ;p
[21:13] <kwwii> the ' is in a really wierd position
[21:13] <kwwii> but the shift key is easier to hit than my thinkpad
[21:15] <darkmatter> kwwii: well, currently they have this gradient effect (thankfully it can be disabled iirc) that makes the widgets look like medium gloss plastic. it's kinda tacky imo
[21:17] <darkmatter> plus the usual reason of drawing to much attention to the gui
[21:17] <darkmatter> less is more and all that
[21:18] <kwwii> I am not a fan of the oxygen widget stuff
[21:18] <kwwii> or window deco either
[21:18] <darkmatter> glimmer and gloss may be pretty, but when ovedone all your attention is drawn to the glimmer and gloss
[21:18] <kwwii> the original ideas were killer
[21:18] <kwwii> but the implementation is lacking
[21:19] <kwwii> I don
[21:19] <kwwii> erm
[21:19] <kwwii> I do not say anything because I simply do not have time to work on it anymore
[21:19] <kwwii> but anyway
[21:20] <darkmatter> yeah
[21:20] <darkmatter> anyway. I'm off to rest my back for a bit
[21:20] <darkmatter> ttfn
[21:23] <zniavre> kwwii,  thank you  i think also that "cell" is in treevien or list but not sure
[21:24] <zniavre> treeview*
[23:19] <troy_s> kwwii: Amen to the Oxygen widget look. Strange choice there.
[23:41] <darkmatter> heck, even skulpture is 500% better than the oxygen qt style