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rickspencer3RAOF, are you going to pick off that mga thing today by any chance?00:28
RAOFrickspencer3: If I get through gnome-keyring-sharp, yes.  Having seen it and read the patch I just wanted to make other people feel safer about picking it up.00:32
RAOFI'll need bryce to upload for me anyway :)00:32
rickspencer3RAOF, make sense00:33
rickspencer3thanks man00:33
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, do you know where the new system-tools-backends tarballs are coming from?00:35
chrisccoulsonrobert_ancell, ftp://anonymous@ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/system-tools-backends/2.900:36
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, so they're given up of fdo then :)00:37
RAOFHey!  When did notify-osd messages lose their click-through magic?00:37
chrisccoulsonrobert_ancell, yeah, i think it's because it has a different maintainer now00:39
chrisccoulsonRAOF, have they?00:39
robert_ancellchrisccoulson, well, makes my life easier.  Updated the versions script00:39
chrisccoulsonrobert_ancell, cool!00:40
RAOFchrisccoulson: Song change coming up... let me test again :)00:40
chrisccoulsonRAOF - you're right00:40
chrisccoulsoni can't click through them either00:41
chrisccoulsonthat sucks00:41
RAOFIt does somewhat defeat the purpose, yes.00:41
* chrisccoulson checks lucid-changes for when it might have broken00:41
* RAOF fires up ubuntu-bug00:42
RAOFI think bug #546659 is our winner.00:44
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546659 in nautilus "FTP connection not available/doesn't work" [Low,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54665900:44
RAOFAhem. bug #54665000:45
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546650 in notify-osd "Unable to click items below notifications" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54665000:45
chrisccoulsonRAOF - thanks00:47
chrisccoulsonhmmm, notify-osd didn't change since 9th march00:47
RAOFAnd none of the last couple of uploads seem to contain a “break click through” message, surprisingly enough :)00:48
chrisccoulsonheh00:48
chrisccoulsonand i can't get xtrace to work :-/00:48
rickspencer3RAOF, I'm wondering bug #546650 should rather be assigned to Dx team01:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 546650 in notify-osd "Unable to click items below notifications" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54665001:15
rickspencer3do you mind if I reassign, or were you planning to look at it01:15
rickspencer3?01:15
RAOFrickspencer3: I'd be happy for you to reassign to Dx.01:16
rickspencer3RAOF, ok, I accepted it for Lucid too01:17
rickspencer3RAOF, robert_ancell quick question, either of you guys see anything strange in your messaging menu?01:19
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, truncated icons?01:19
chrisccoulson(as a guess)01:19
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, hi01:20
RAOFA radiobox control for statuses?01:20
RAOFThat looks pretty weird.01:20
rickspencer3RAOF, that's your Me Menu, actually01:20
rickspencer3:)01:20
chrisccoulsonthe icons in the messaging menu get cut off now01:20
RAOFBah!  Terminology!01:20
rickspencer3jono_,  is seeing Set up Mail ...01:20
rickspencer3set up chat ...01:20
rickspencer3but they are already configured01:20
RAOFI don't think I've restarted since that change.01:21
chrisccoulsonoh, i'm not seeing that01:21
rickspencer3did you guys dist-upgrade recently?01:21
chrisccoulsonbut my menu looks weird01:21
rickspencer3like since kenvandine did the Dx release01:21
chrisccoulsonah, not just yet01:21
rickspencer3ok01:21
rickspencer3here's why I hate OOo01:21
rickspencer3I hardly use it, but I have to wait for calc to update01:22
rickspencer3ccheney, looks like I'm getting your theme fixes01:22
chrisccoulsonRAOF - the notify-osd bug is a gtk regression01:23
chrisccoulsoni just tried LD_PRELOADing the old version01:23
RAOFAh.01:23
chrisccoulsonand it works again01:23
chrisccoulsoni will reassign01:23
robert_ancellrickspencer3, the babel fish?01:24
rickspencer3babel fish?01:24
robert_ancellrickspencer3, Thats what the broadcast icon looks like to me :)01:24
rickspencer3robert_ancell, is that what the icon for broadcast accounts is01:24
rickspencer3I thought it was a opium poppy01:25
robert_ancelllol01:25
RAOFMan, I love it when unexpected test successes teach you something.01:25
chrisccoulsonso, i wonder what changed in gtk01:25
RAOFI thought that was a little bird - you know, like the twitter iconography.01:25
chrisccoulsoni might bisect that in the morning01:25
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, you say it's been fixed?01:25
rickspencer3in gtk?01:26
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, it seems to be gtk which has broken it01:26
rickspencer3when you say "was"01:26
rickspencer3you mean ... ?01:26
chrisccoulsonif i run notify-osd with the previous version of gtk, then it works again01:26
chrisccoulsonwith the current version in the archive, it doesn't work anymore01:26
rickspencer3so by "was" you mean "is"?01:26
rickspencer3:)01:26
chrisccoulsonoh, did i say "was"?01:27
chrisccoulsonheh01:27
robert_ancellrickspencer3, hey, did anyone suggest to mvo to remove eclipse from the featured apps?01:27
rickspencer3I thought I did, yes01:27
rickspencer3robert_ancell, does our version of it still suck?01:27
robert_ancellrickspencer3, I think so01:27
rickspencer3hmmm, maybe I never did01:27
robert_ancellrickspencer3, it was when I last tried it01:27
rickspencer3let me log a bug01:27
robert_ancellrickspencer3, we should add tuxpaint too as that's a good app for kids01:28
rickspencer3hmm01:28
rickspencer3better not log a bug until anyone tries it01:28
rickspencer3robert_ancell, could you pleaseL01:28
rickspencer31. confirm the suckiness of eclipse01:28
rickspencer32. confirm the awesomeness of tuxpain01:28
rickspencer3tuxpaint, even01:28
rickspencer3and ask mvo to do the change?01:28
rickspencer3a bug report maybe be appropriate, but maybe just ask him tonight01:29
chrisccoulsonhmmm, i'm not sure how to run xprop on a click-through notification bubble01:29
chrisccoulsonRAOF, any ideas? ;)01:29
chrisccoulsoni just get the properties of the window below...01:29
RAOFThere's got to be some way to pass in a pid, right?01:30
chrisccoulsonRAOF - you can pass the window ID, but i don't know what that is01:30
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure how to get it01:31
chrisccoulsonand it's not around for very long either01:31
RAOFxwininfo -name might be what you're after.01:31
RAOFI'm not sure what the name of the notify-osd windows is without source digging, but “notify-osd” should be a reasonable guess.01:32
RAOFxwininfo will give you the ID, then you can xprop01:33
chrisccoulsonit seems there is a permanent offscreen window with the name "notify-osd"01:34
robert_ancellrickspencer3, hmm, can't even install eclipse at the moment01:34
rickspencer3that's not real confidence inducing01:34
robert_ancell:)_01:35
robert_ancellrickspencer3, not sure if you edit a lot of older glade files but I just uploaded the brand new upstream to make the vboxes stop reverting to being horizontal01:36
ccheneyrickspencer3: hmm i didn't upload it yet01:36
rickspencer3robert_ancell, I don't recall having this issue01:36
rickspencer3ccheney, oh, well I'm getting a lot of new OOo01:36
ccheneyrickspencer3: committed it to ooo-build git though and will be uploading it once i find out from rene if he is going to upload -5 to debian in the next day01:36
rickspencer3k01:36
ccheneyrickspencer3: hmm i think that would have been from monday's upload01:37
rickspencer3prolly01:37
robert_ancellrickspencer3, you'd remember it if you'd had it.  Drives a lot of people insane01:37
rickspencer3I guess it's been a couple of days01:37
rickspencer3robert_ancell, the glade guys are cool, and work so hard01:37
ccheneyi think i have all the OOo rc bugs fixed now, just have to the upload :)01:37
rickspencer3but glade needs a lot more love01:37
rickspencer3before it'll be really easy to use01:37
rickspencer3a lot of people get blocked by not being able to figure it out01:38
rickspencer3ccheney, nice!01:38
rickspencer3ccheney, please upload asap, let's knock these bugs out01:38
ccheneyok, i'll upload it as 4ubuntu2 if rene isn't going to upload -5 today01:39
ccheneythere are quite a few other fixes in -5 that would be easier to sync by just taking his changes01:39
robert_ancellrickspencer3, yeah, I'd love to have to time to help them out.  Been using it for so many years.  It's tough being a dev tool as apps get all the developer time01:40
ccheneyapparently debian ftp-master is broken so i'll just do a 4ubuntu2 for now and catch -5 once he can get it uploaded01:41
* ccheney checks current bug list for any other bugs to fix :)01:42
rickspencer3simple scan .9.1.0? robert_ancell, I thought it was 1.0 time?01:44
rickspencer3:)01:44
robert_ancellrickspencer3, yeah, as soon as people stop finding bugs with their obscure scanners01:44
robert_ancellby obscure I mean scanners I don't own btw01:44
rickspencer3ccheney, yeah, get some bugs closed! go go go01:44
rickspencer3right, is there another definition?01:44
rickspencer3robert_ancell, I used it the other day, and it was a blessed relief01:45
rickspencer3I want to hold it up as the standard that our software aspires to (well default install apps)01:45
robert_ancellrickspencer3, that's what I like to hear!01:45
rickspencer3I'd like to give the whole image managment scenario the same treatment in 10.1001:45
rickspencer3oops distupgrade, done rb01:46
rickspencer3brb01:46
ccheneyoh yea i need to fix F11 bug :)01:47
TheMusorickspencer3: Yeah I have used simple-scan a few times now, and its great. No screwing with xsane settings to get what you want. :)01:50
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rickspencer3*sigh*01:52
rickspencer3gwibber an desktopcouch immediately crashed after I started  gwibber01:53
kenvandinerickspencer3, can you get a traceback?02:08
kenvandinegrab me a log02:08
rickspencer3https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/54851402:08
ubottuUbuntu bug 548514 in desktopcouch "desktopcouch-service crashed with SIGSEGV" [Undecided,New]02:08
rickspencer3https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/54851502:08
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/548515)02:08
rickspencer3suck02:08
rickspencer3https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/54851502:08
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/548515)02:08
rickspencer3oh well02:08
rickspencer3kenvandine, ^02:08
rickspencer3need anything else?02:09
kenvandinethe first one looks like maybe keyring related02:09
kenvandineand gwibber nor desktopcouch has changed02:10
kenvandineso something lower in the stack02:10
kenvandinecan you make bug 548515 public?02:10
ubottuError: Could not parse data returned by Launchpad: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/548515)02:11
rickspencer3I thought I did make it public02:11
rickspencer3hold on02:11
rickspencer3kenvandine, puplic now02:11
rickspencer3lol02:11
rickspencer3working too long today02:11
rickspencer3I least I didn't leave out the "l"02:12
kenvandinedamn02:12
kenvandinethat one should get caught at least02:12
kenvandineoh it's in gwui.py... humm02:12
rickspencer3kenvandine, so it's just an uncaught exception for a service time out?02:13
kenvandinewell... yes02:14
kenvandinebut that isn't the bug :)02:14
kenvandinedesktopcouch crashing is the bug02:14
rickspencer3that is *a* bug02:14
kenvandineyeah... i know :)02:14
rickspencer3desktopcouch crashing is another bug02:14
rickspencer3heh02:14
kenvandinedesktopcouch crashing is interesting there... it is like python dumped02:14
rickspencer3I asked because it seems the uncaught exception will not bother users in for reals02:14
kenvandinehad you rebooted?02:14
rickspencer3kenvandine, yes02:15
rickspencer3dist-upgrade, reboot, first thing I saw02:15
kenvandinerickspencer3, after release users will not see the error02:15
rickspencer3that's my point, yes02:15
kenvandinethey just won't see anything02:15
kenvandinewe need to handle that02:15
rickspencer3so we should fix it, but it's not release critical or anything02:15
rickspencer3we can fix it in 10.1002:15
kenvandine:)02:15
rickspencer3I assumed that the two bugs I logged were two apps responding to the same event02:16
kenvandinei have a way to display it to the users now... :)02:16
TheMusoargh! I think we have a race condition with desktop startup and at-spi.02:16
kenvandinejust need to wire it up02:16
rickspencer3the desktopcouch one is more worisome02:16
kenvandinerickspencer3, yeah.. indeed02:16
rickspencer3TheMuso, that bites02:17
TheMusorickspencer3: a little. Nautilus, and panels are not accessible for me. The only apps that have accessibility are those that I start once in my session.02:17
kenvandinerickspencer3, when was your last dist-upgrade?02:17
TheMusoHowever sometimes they are accessible, hense the race.02:17
rickspencer3kenvandine, yes02:17
kenvandinerickspencer3, *when* :)02:18
rickspencer3TheMuso, hmmm, so desktop starts up to fast now, huh?02:18
rickspencer3kenvandine, like 30 minutes ago02:18
TheMusorickspencer3: Well things start up before at-spi gets a chance to plant its accessibility properties on the root window.02:18
kenvandineprevious one?02:18
rickspencer3kenvandine, don't recall02:18
rickspencer3but days02:18
kenvandineok02:18
rickspencer3do you think these could be false positives?02:18
TheMusoSo once at-spi starts, only new apps that are started see these properties, and since, according to .xsession-errors, nautilus, gnome-panel, and some applets start before at-spi, they miss out on accessibility goodness.02:19
rickspencer3TheMuso, right02:19
kenvandinerickspencer3, does it fail again?02:19
rickspencer3seems this needs fixing for sures02:19
rickspencer3kenvandine, no ... it worked the second time02:19
* TheMuso is now pondering how we can fix it.02:19
kenvandinerickspencer3, i hate that!02:19
rickspencer3kenvandine, shall I reboot?02:19
TheMusoI might have to talk to Seb or Martin.02:19
kenvandinerickspencer3, nah02:20
kenvandinei am sure it was some weird condition that is a pain to repro :/02:20
rickspencer3kenvandine, you think?02:20
rickspencer3it seems pretty consistent for me02:20
kenvandineoh... it happened more than once?02:20
rickspencer3let me reboot and see02:20
rickspencer3kenvandine, every time I restart02:20
kenvandineinteresting02:20
rickspencer3kenvandine, back02:24
* rickspencer3 runs gwibber02:24
* rickspencer3 drums fingers02:25
kenvandineis this on your eeepc?02:25
rickspencer3kenvandine, no02:25
rickspencer3oh02:25
rickspencer3there;s the gwibber crash02:25
rickspencer3or *a* gwibber crash, anyway02:26
rickspencer3notify-osd messages are coming in02:26
kenvandineso gwibber-service and desktopcouch started fine02:27
kenvandinebut the client crashed02:27
rickspencer3I guess so02:27
kenvandineso lets see the crash02:27
rickspencer3kenvandine, what can I get to help you look into this tomorrow?02:27
rickspencer3ok02:27
kenvandinejust get me the log02:27
kenvandineshould be enough02:27
kenvandine ~/.cache/gwibber/gwibber.log02:28
rickspencer3kenvandine,02:29
rickspencer32010-03-25 18:55:03,438 - Gwibber GNOME Client - INFO - Running from the system path02:29
rickspencer32010-03-25 18:55:28,292 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Failed to raise client (DBusException(dbus.String(u'Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote application did not send a reply, the message bus security policy blocked the reply, the reply timeout expired, or the network connection was broken.'),),)02:29
rickspencer32010-03-25 18:58:08,401 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Message updated: 550630860_411542430860-4063ce6d845f566097470340186e124b-receive, failed02:29
rickspencer32010-03-25 18:59:12,031 - Gwibber Dispatcher - INFO - Loading complete: 1 - ['Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success']02:29
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:03:50,522 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Failed to communicate with https://api.facebook.com/restserver.php?api_key=71b85c6d8cb5bbb9f1a3f8bbdcdd4b05&v=1.0&sig=f0e0f484d7942eadc62fe7d35cecd3f2&format=json&query=%0A++++++SELECT+id%2C+post_id%2C+time%2C+fromid%2C+text%2C+object_id+FROM+comment+WHERE+post_id+IN%0A++++++++%28SELECT+post_id+FROM+stream+WHERE+source_id+%3D+626676204%29+AND%0A++++++++fromid+%3C%3E+62667620402:30
rickspencer3+ORDER+BY+time+DESC+LIMIT+1%2C100%0A++++++&session_key=d3f38185efec2c363dc3559f-626676204&method=facebook.fql.query&call_id=126956902200002:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:03:50,522 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Failed to parse the response, error was: No JSON object could be decoded02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:03:51,912 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - <facebook:responses> Operation failed02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:04:27,588 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Loading failed:  - Traceback (most recent call last):02:30
rickspencer3  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/dist-packages/gwibber/microblog/dispatcher.py", line 327, in run02:30
rickspencer3    pool.map_async(self.func, self.iterable, callback=self.callback).get(self.timeout)02:30
rickspencer3  File "/usr/lib/python2.6/multiprocessing/pool.py", line 418, in get02:30
rickspencer3    raise TimeoutError02:30
rickspencer3TimeoutError02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:07:49,892 - Gwibber GNOME Client - INFO - Gwibber Client closed02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:08:13,750 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Failed to communicate with https://api.facebook.com/restserver.php?api_key=71b85c6d8cb5bbb9f1a3f8bbdcdd4b05&format=json&call_id=1269569285000&viewer_id=626676204&limit=80&v=1.0&sig=a687da7898a9dbabe8b07e1ec1833a8a&session_key=d3f38185efec2c363dc3559f-626676204&method=facebook.stream.get02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:08:13,750 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Failed to parse the response, error was: No JSON object could be decoded02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:08:13,751 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - <facebook:receive> Operation failed02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:09:18,162 - Gwibber Dispatcher - INFO - Loading complete: 2 - ['Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Failure', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success']02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:13:17,735 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Failed to communicate with https://api.facebook.com/restserver.php?api_key=71b85c6d8cb5bbb9f1a3f8bbdcdd4b05&format=json&call_id=1269569582000&viewer_id=626676204&limit=80&v=1.0&sig=9b38081b80bc4118d4b1bd68b9fcf7b1&session_key=d3f38185efec2c363dc3559f-626676204&method=facebook.stream.get02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:13:17,738 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Failed to parse the response, error was: No JSON object could be decoded02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:13:17,738 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - <facebook:receive> Operation failed02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:14:07,937 - Gwibber Dispatcher - INFO - Loading complete: 3 - ['Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Failure', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success']02:30
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:18:13,747 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Message updated: 626676204_103704822998277-4063ce6d845f566097470340186e124b-receive, failed02:31
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:19:04,433 - Gwibber Dispatcher - INFO - Loading complete: 4 - ['Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success']02:31
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:24:32,815 - Gwibber GNOME Client - INFO - Running from the system path02:31
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:24:42,946 - Gwibber Service - INFO - Running from the system path02:31
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:26:25,113 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Failed to communicate with https://api.facebook.com/restserver.php?api_key=71b85c6d8cb5bbb9f1a3f8bbdcdd4b05&format=json&call_id=1269570369000&viewer_id=626676204&limit=80&v=1.0&sig=1094750bd2c2a89033298487787f9f39&session_key=d3f38185efec2c363dc3559f-626676204&method=facebook.stream.get02:31
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:26:25,116 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Failed to parse the response, error was: No JSON object could be decoded02:31
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:26:25,116 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - <facebook:receive> Operation failed02:31
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:26:50,664 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Failed to communicate with https://api.facebook.com/restserver.php?api_key=71b85c6d8cb5bbb9f1a3f8bbdcdd4b05&v=1.0&sig=b9084a77e6d8f8841ccd87cc00cd2dad&format=json&query=%0A++++++SELECT+id%2C+post_id%2C+time%2C+fromid%2C+text%2C+object_id+FROM+comment+WHERE+post_id+IN%0A++++++++%28SELECT+post_id+FROM+stream+WHERE+source_id+%3D+626676204%29+AND%0A++++++++fromid+%3C%3E+62667620402:31
rickspencer3+ORDER+BY+time+DESC+LIMIT+1%2C100%0A++++++&session_key=d3f38185efec2c363dc3559f-626676204&method=facebook.fql.query&call_id=126957039400002:31
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:26:50,664 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - Failed to parse the response, error was: No JSON object could be decoded02:31
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:26:52,020 - Gwibber Dispatcher - ERROR - <facebook:responses> Operation failed02:31
rickspencer32010-03-25 19:27:14,576 - Gwibber Dispatcher - INFO - Loading complete: 1 - ['Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Failure', 'Failure', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success', 'Success']02:31
rickspencer3dang it!02:31
rickspencer3that was supposed to be a pastbin url :/02:31
rickspencer3http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/401520/02:31
* rickspencer3 blush02:31
kenvandinehehe02:32
LaserJockrickspencer3: now we can all debug together :-)02:32
rickspencer3yeah02:32
rickspencer3and decode my social networking credentials too02:32
TheMusowooo02:32
TheMusopastebin probably would have been better...02:33
* rickspencer3 changes all passwords02:33
rickspencer3TheMuso, yeah, it was an accident02:33
LaserJockyeah ... cause I don't have enough peeps on *my* facebook to keep up, I gotta steal yours too02:33
TheMusolol02:33
rickspencer3I pasted into pastebin, then selected the URL, and pasted into there thinking I was copying, then pasted into here02:33
LaserJockrickspencer3: I find pastebinit is useful for that, I've had similar issues02:34
rickspencer3hehe02:34
rickspencer3oh well02:34
LaserJockas long as seb's asleep you're probably ok02:34
LaserJock;-)02:34
rickspencer3it's not like this gets logged for eternity and then searchable in google cache forever02:34
rickspencer3hehe02:34
rickspencer3I was wondering why I didn't get kicked02:34
rickspencer3kenvandine, is it possible that i am trying to start the UI while the daemon is loading02:42
rickspencer3and so GetServices() blows up because the daemon is not ready?02:42
* RAOF likes Do's “send to pastebin” action for this sort of thing.02:46
kenvandinerickspencer3, that shouldn't matter02:48
kenvandinerickspencer3, that is how gwibber is designed to start... the UI starts the service02:48
kenvandineexcept in the autostart scenario02:48
kenvandinebut that doesn't matter either02:48
kenvandinerickspencer3, but... some of my startup related bug fixes might have been after the last upload02:49
rickspencer3kenvandine, it looks like all that GetServices does is dump a Python list to JSON02:50
kenvandineyes02:51
kenvandinebut it requires the daemon to respond02:51
rickspencer3right02:51
rickspencer3so looking at the stack trace, it implies that the daemon is not there02:51
kenvandinei wonder if the service is starting twice02:52
rickspencer3kenvandine, could me starting manually confict with the autostarting?02:52
kenvandineand when you hit the service, it is getting the wrong one02:52
kenvandinethere was a problem with that which has been fixed02:52
rickspencer3kenvandine, I saw there was a related bug that was fix released02:53
rickspencer3should I try again tomorrow?02:53
kenvandineif the service wasn't completely up and you started the client it would fire up a second service02:53
rickspencer3hmmm02:53
kenvandinewhich would then figut for the name on dbus02:53
rickspencer3I see02:53
rickspencer3so the client crashes02:53
kenvandinelet me see if that was fixed before the last release02:53
kenvandineyes02:53
rickspencer3but then the service stands up02:53
rickspencer3and start ripping to notify-osd02:53
rickspencer3I try again, and the service is there, works02:54
rickspencer3so it seems that starting manually before the autostart kicks in will be quite common02:54
rickspencer3is there a way to set a "starting" flag for the daemon, and wait for it to clear before the client makes calls on it?02:54
rickspencer3kenvandine, I'll see if there are updates tomorrow and poke at it some more02:55
kenvandinewell that should be fixed though02:55
rickspencer3ok02:55
kenvandinerickspencer3, i might not get a release out until the weekend02:55
kenvandinebut we are overdue02:55
rickspencer3kenvandine, so you think the fix is uploaded but not released?02:56
kenvandinei am looking02:56
rickspencer3Version: 2.29.92.1-0ubuntu102:56
kenvandineyeah... the fix is in that02:57
kenvandinehummm02:57
kenvandinei haven't witnessed it, and been testing it daily in kvm and on the livecd02:57
* kenvandine boots one02:57
rickspencer3bummer02:58
rickspencer3kenvandine, maybe time to go to sleep, and take a fresh start tomorrow?02:58
rickspencer3the solution will come to you in a dream02:58
rickspencer3and you will be pissed you let me waste all your time tonight ;)02:59
Sarvattso it looks like this huge number of bugs about gnome-screensaver-gl-helper crashing with proprietary drivers are all from when it activates after installation before the person reboots. anyone know a way around that? disabling the screensaver until reboot possible?03:09
Sarvattactivate proprietary graphics drivers in jockey > idle for 5 minutes > screensaver kicks in and a crash report comes up03:10
RAOFSarvatt: Well, we'll be disabling apport soon... is that entirely a false-positive?03:12
Sarvattyep doesn't actually hurt anything, theres just a large number of bugs under the last few releases about it03:19
RAOFI guess the other option is to drop the nvidia & fglrx drivers entirely and just ship nouveau's 3d & radeon ;)03:20
Sarvatthaha funny joke :)03:21
robert_ancellrickspencer3, just saw your featured IDE response. Am interested on you feedback on the mail I just sent03:23
rickspencer3what huh?03:23
kenvandinerickspencer3, well i can't repro in  a VM :/03:23
rickspencer3robert_ancell, I skipped to the top03:23
rickspencer3fudge03:23
kenvandinerickspencer3, i'll try again tomorrow03:25
rickspencer3kenvandine, ack03:26
rickspencer3maybe I can set up some debugging hooks here03:26
kenvandineyeah03:26
kenvandinelets do that tomorrow03:26
chrisccoulsonSarvatt, I get the gnome-screensaver-gl-helper crash on my NVIDIA machine quite frequently03:32
chrisccoulson(or one of them)03:32
rickspencer3robert_ancell, what do you want me to comment on exactly?03:33
rickspencer3I thought I was agreeing with you ;)03:33
robert_ancellrickspencer3, oh, just you've had the experience of doing focus groups with developers etc.  You might actually know how people learn programming :)03:34
rickspencer3robert_ancell, I commented on the bug03:35
rickspencer3robert_ancell, i have run hundreds of usability studies on developers03:35
rickspencer3well, hundreds?03:35
rickspencer3that would be 10 per year03:36
robert_ancellrickspencer3, yeah, a lot more than my 0!!03:36
rickspencer3okay. maybe 50, but watches 100s of developers03:36
rickspencer3anyway, what was my point?03:39
* rickspencer3 too late ...03:39
robert_ancelldamn sydney people keep talking :)03:42
lifelessrobert_ancell: oh hai03:47
robert_ancelllifeless, hey03:47
rickspencer3yo sydney peeps!03:54
rickspencer3g'night mates03:54
rickspencer3:)03:55
kenvandinegood night03:55
ccheneyheh i love 8GB ram, plenty to disk cache the entire OOo source tree, so grep returns instantly03:56
* ccheney testing the F11 patch now :)04:13
RAOFMmm.  GAPI, I like the cut of your jib!04:45
ccheneyhmm the patch doesn't work, wtf04:50
* ccheney thinks he must not have the proper stuff installed or something else weird04:51
ccheneythe accelerator settings are there but it seems to not be using them, gah04:53
* ccheney thinks he found the place the real settings were hiding05:10
robert_ancelldidrocks, has the gdmsetup patch dropped the session selector somewhere?05:41
robert_ancellpitti, can you look at bug 445123 and release it if OK.  Patch on my branch, I've tested it and it works05:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 445123 in gdm "No GUI option to disable face browser" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44512305:52
* RAOF seems to have confused gnome-keyring-daemon06:03
pittiGood morning06:37
pittirobert_ancell: how are you?06:37
robert_ancellpitti, hey, good06:37
robert_ancellpitti, gtg, could you also take a look at feature freeze request for bug 54858906:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 548589 in gbrainy "Merge upstream grammar fixes to Lucid" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54858906:38
pittirobert_ancell: I'll look at both06:38
pittirobert_ancell: gdm> that should be relatively easy, now that we have the gconf mechanism?06:39
pittiso please feel free to merge06:39
robert_ancellpitti, yeah for gdm just copied the sound path - so ok to upload?06:39
pittiI wish we had generalized the d-bus interface for setGconfBoolean(), setGconfString(), etc.06:39
pittirepeating that code is ugly06:40
pittibut sure, "good enough" for now06:40
robert_ancellpitti, yeah, I didn't want to do that because I wasn't sure what information is stored in gconf and then everything would be user readable06:40
pittirobert_ancell: well, it's just gdm, and you need polkit privs to read/write it anyway?06:40
robert_ancellpitti, I'm hoping somehow in 10.10 we can reduce the huge pile of patches06:41
pittibut nevermind for now06:41
pittilet's not redesign it yet again for lucid06:41
pittirobert_ancell: right, or perhaps there's a better alternative for our gdmsetup by then06:41
robert_ancellpitti, well, there's all the other patches too :)06:41
pittiright, but those are the most painful06:41
robert_ancellpitti, see you next week!06:44
pittirobert_ancell: have a good weekend!06:44
TheMusopitti: It seems we have a race condition with desktop startup. When accessibility is enabled, sometimes at-spi starts after nautilus/gnome-panel and applets get started, causing only applications loaded after/in the session to be accessible.07:00
TheMusopitti: I am pretty sure you could confirm this using accerciser with accessibility turned on.07:00
TheMusopitti: My questino is, how do we fix this? :)07:00
TheMusoquestion even07:01
pittiTheMuso: is that dg/autostart/at-spi-registryd.desktop ?07:02
TheMusopitti: yes07:02
pittiTheMuso: hm, that already has X-GNOME-Autostart-Phase=Initialization07:02
pittiwhich is as early as it can get07:02
TheMusopitti: Yes.07:02
pittieverything else starts later than that07:02
TheMusoWell something is not right somewhere. When at-spi loads, it adds accessibility properties to the root window. If GTK sees these properties, it loads accessibility bits. at-spi is obvisouly not ready for nautilus etc when they start, causing them to be inaccessible.07:03
pittiTheMuso: ah, that's plausible -- it might set the properties later than the other apps start07:08
TheMusopitti: I'd say so.07:08
pittihm, I thought programs have to register to the GNOME session to signal that they are ready07:08
pittibut I'd guess that a-s-r would only do so after setting the properties?07:09
pittiTheMuso: it might be worth adding a sleep(3) after setting the properties and checking with bootchart whether the other stuff is properly delayed07:09
TheMusoVery likely, yes. Haven't looked at the code myself to be sure. WIll take a look on Monday. I just noticed this race when attempting to use nautilus today.07:09
TheMusopitti: do you mean in at-spi-registryd code?07:10
pittiTheMuso: yes07:10
TheMusopitti: Ok, as above, I'll lok Monday. I'm at the end of my week, but came back to try and sort this out. I'll probably need someone else to interpret the boot chart, as graphs/graphics mean little to me. :)07:11
TheMusolook07:11
pittiTheMuso: yes, I'm happy to interpret them for you07:11
TheMusopitti: ok thanks, will get back to you once I make the above change.07:11
pittiTheMuso: enjoy your weekend then!07:11
TheMusopitti: Will do, thanks.07:11
* pitti goes back enjoying debugging scsi ioctls on remote machines for bug 44585207:12
ubottuLaunchpad bug 445852 in libatasmart "devkit-disks-probe-ata-smart causes HSM Violations on SSD, and potential hardware death" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44585207:12
RAOFHm.  What has possessed pulseaudio to consume 700MB of memory?07:13
baptistemmHi there07:30
dholbachdidrocks, pitti: I have the same alt-1 problem again, also I configured ctrl-< (convenient on a german keyboard) to fire up a terminal - this doesn't work either07:30
dholbachhi baptistemm07:31
baptistemmpitti, do you know bpython interpreter, that awesome07:31
didrocksgood morning07:37
didrocksbaptistemm: hey o/ what's the difference with ipython?07:37
didrocksdholbach: hi, did you look at the accelerator about groupe window that I mentionned yesteday?07:38
baptistemmdidrocks, apt-get install it07:39
baptistemmyou'll see some neat features07:39
baptistemmimmediatly07:40
dholbachdidrocks: erm07:40
baptistemmyou have completion, you can post code to a pastebin, save the code07:40
dholbachhi didrocks07:40
didrocksbaptistemm: ipython can do that too (not sure about copying to a pastebin), but the 2 others, right. You can also paste your code07:41
baptistemmif you have time, give a try anyway07:41
didrocksok07:41
dholbachdidrocks: http://paste.ubuntu.com/401641 what you're looking for?07:42
didrocksdholbach: yeah, not seing anything interesting there. You can maybe unset now as you've done yesterday, and redump the result to make a diff?07:45
dholbachit seems to think that ">" is "\" or something07:47
TeTeTasac: morning, another network-manager question: how can I build a specific git version, e.g. commit 6773cc6a639e6698d19b8b6bc91cc6bfa2a1d26e07:50
dholbachdidrocks: paste.ubuntu.com/401647 made alt-1, etc. work again - now I need to figure out why '>' is '\'07:50
dholbachok, fixed again - that was a mistake on my part07:51
didrocksdholbach: ah?07:51
dholbachdidrocks: resetting /apps/metacity made alt-1 work again07:52
didrocksdholbach: right, but you don't know which on is the guilty one :)07:52
dholbachyeah07:53
didrockspitti: do you have still the select default session in gdmsetup?07:57
pittididrocks: hm, apparently that got lost07:58
didrocksI guess robert removed it in the merge :/07:58
dholbachthanks didrocks07:58
didrocksok, he didn't take the whole file, hence the issue08:04
seb128hello there!08:27
pittihi seb12808:27
sabdflhowdy seb12808:27
pittigood morning sabdfl08:27
sabdfland to you :-)08:28
seb128hey pitti sabdfl08:28
seb128how are you?08:28
sabdfldoing great thanks. good cloud sprint this week, and some fun stuff in prep for UDS :-)08:29
didrockshey seb12808:30
didrocksgood morning sabdfl08:30
sabdflhowdy08:30
seb128salut didrocks08:32
aquariusseb128, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/538416 is about not being able to drag files between libraries in rhythmbox -- I seem to have set its importance in rhythmbox which I shouldn't have done. Sorry about that.08:37
ubottuUbuntu bug 538416 in rhythmbox "Cannot move media between library locations" [Low,Confirmed]08:37
seb128aquarius, hey, don't worry that's not an issue08:41
seb128is the ability to do that important for the store users?08:41
seb128which leads to an interesting question I have on the rhythmbox topic, do you guys hack on rhythmbox too? ie will you fix rhythmbox issues to make the store work better?08:42
seb128or help upstreaming those and working on those?08:42
seb128when I say "guys" it might be you only, I don't know how you team is organized and how many people work on the desktop side or on the server one08:43
aquariusit would be very nice, yes. At the moment, if you want to move a song from the music store library to your ordinary library (say, because you've filled up your 2GB storage in Ubuntu One), you've got to drag the song out to a folder in Nautilus and then back into the main Music library; you can't just drag it between the two08:44
aquariusworking on the music store on the desktop: me and rodrigo_. Hacking on rhythmbox itself: in theory, sure. Me personally, my C isn't good enough :(08:44
seb128session restart brb08:44
seb128re08:47
seb128sorry about that08:47
seb128aquarius, I see08:47
aquariusrodrigo_'s is though ;)08:48
seb128right08:48
seb128not sure how busy he is08:48
seb128but I think it would benefit rhythmbox, our relationship with upstream and store users to improve rhythmbox there08:48
didrocksseb128: I saw you spoke with robert yesterday about the gdm change, do you know if he has a branch somewhere? (he didn't push and my changes was rejected)08:48
aquariusvery, at the moment, but then so's everybody else :) If we hit a problem which we want fixed in the store and which needs a fix in RB, then we'll certainly look at fixing that problem in RB.08:49
seb128didrocks, which ones?08:49
rodrigo_seb128, yes, I wouldn't mind working on it, just that until now, we didn't have the need to fix anything in rhythmbox08:49
seb128hey rodrigo_08:49
rodrigo_seb128, until that bug about moving msongs from one lib to the other came08:49
didrocksseb128: the face browser he uploaded 2 hours ago08:49
seb128how are you?08:49
seb128didrocks, I did talk with robert about it?08:49
seb128didrocks, I'm very tired I think, I don't remember that at all today08:50
didrocksoh, it was pitti, sorry seb128 :)08:50
seb128ok08:50
rodrigo_seb128, fine, and you? :-)08:50
didrocksjust backlogged a lot of things this morning ^^08:50
seb128didrocks, ~robert-ancell/gdm/bug-44512308:51
seb128says the bug08:51
seb128dunno why he didn't push to gdm bzr though08:51
didrocksseb128: ok, I'll integrate that he redo my changes08:51
seb128didrocks, he dropped your change?08:51
seb128didrocks, which one?08:52
didrocksseb128: right, about the session08:52
seb128rodrigo_, quite good thanks!08:52
seb128didrocks, :-(08:52
seb128didrocks, thanks for spotting08:52
didrocksseb128: so, I've reintegrated them, pushed and get a not so nice "already uploaded version" :/08:52
didrocksseb128: in fact, it was spotted in bug #54841708:53
ubottuLaunchpad bug 548417 in gdm "Enabling auto-login in UNE restarts into the regular desktop" [High,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54841708:53
didrocksI launched gdmsetup and "OMG where is the option?" ;)08:53
seb128lol08:54
seb128I though too it looks different before08:54
seb128but it's not the upload from today08:54
seb128the issue was there when I tried the sound change08:54
didrocksseb128: right, that version contained the merged. I didn't notice that the merge was wrong :)08:55
seb128pitti, how busy are you today?09:10
pittiseb128: I'm just done with debugging 44585209:11
pitti(ugh, that took a while)09:11
pittiseb128: need to leave for 45 mins now for a doctor appointment09:11
pittiand then I need to review/update our release status; things pile up09:12
seb128aquarius, rodrigo_: btw for such rhyrhtmbox issues could you open bugzilla bugs at least and try to see on #rhythmbox if they could give hints to solve the issue too09:12
pittiseb128: I can probably squeeze in some stuff in the afternoon, what's up?09:12
seb128pitti, hum, ok, no hurry, see you later!09:12
seb128pitti, retracers09:12
pittiyes, apparently they need some solid debugging09:12
seb128we need that09:12
seb128would be nice to have crashes showing up in launchpad09:13
pittiI'll try to do that ASAP09:14
seb128thanks09:14
pittiwe just got staging LP fixed for apport09:14
pittiso I can at least run the test suite again09:14
pittiand reproduce stuff there, etc.09:14
dholbachhi guys09:14
seb128having a rough idea if the store is stable or not would be useful09:15
dholbachI have the problem of alt+1 on another machine now :)09:15
dholbachhello sabdfl09:15
seb128but without apport crashes being retraceds it's hard to tell09:15
seb128hey dholbach09:15
seb128use compiz! ;-)09:15
dholbachnot sure compiz is the answer to that problem ;-)09:15
seb128ok, so copy your gconf config and unset things until fixing the issue09:16
seb128and diff09:16
seb128and figure what setting is to blame09:16
mvocompiz!09:16
didrocks3 times in less than 24 hours, dholbach is a rockstar with alt + 1 :)09:16
dholbachI like using tabs09:16
seb128dholbach, do what you did yesterday but with copying before09:18
seb128so you can diff afterwards and tell us09:18
* mvo uploads r666 of software-center09:18
didrocksseb128: dholbach tried that this morning: http://paste.ubuntu.com/40164709:20
didrocks(well, I suggested the same thing of course ;))09:20
seb128didrocks, ok, you didn't figure which key does that exactly?09:21
seb128could be in an another gconf subdir09:21
seb128like g-s-d keybdings09:21
baptistemmheya09:22
didrocksseb128: he reset only what is in the diff and it fixed that (he got the same on another machine lately)09:22
baptistemmTo whom can I ask a decision for bug 53470209:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 534702 in bluez "Update bluez to 4.62" [Wishlist,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53470209:23
seb128didrocks, did unsetting the ctrl-alt-t thing is enough to get it working?09:23
didrocksdholbach: ? ^09:23
seb128could be the keybinding he's using09:24
dholbachseb128: I'm using ctrl-alt-t now09:24
baptistemmI would like to have it + some patches in 4.63 or 4.63 even if possible09:24
dholbachI unset /apps/metacity09:24
dholbachand lots of other stuff already09:24
didrocksseb128: apart from that, I don't see any other key that can be relevent, weird :/09:24
seb128dholbach, dunno then09:25
seb128didrocks, ^09:25
seb128baptistemm, try subscribing ubuntu-release09:25
seb128or ask pitti09:25
seb128or asac09:25
dholbachhttp://paste.ubuntu.com/401680/09:25
seb128dholbach, it's working now?09:26
dholbachno09:26
seb128k, I really don't know09:27
seb128you seem to be the only one to get the issue09:27
dholbachyeah09:27
seb128think about what you changes on all your boxes09:27
dholbachI changed stuff over years :)09:27
dholbachbut I reset a lot already09:27
seb128it's happening in a guest session?09:27
dholbachno09:28
seb128k, so I can't really help you there09:28
dholbachI hate it when stuff breaks because of "old settings that used to work before" :-(09:28
seb128backup .gconf09:28
dholbachyeah, I'll see what I can do09:28
seb128and delete things until finding where the issue is09:28
dholbachthanks a bunch everybody09:28
seb128then diff and find the key09:28
dholbachyep09:28
dholbachis there anything other than gconf I should have a look at?09:28
seb128you can put back the buggy config and try cleaning until part until you find the exact one09:28
seb128well I would start by moving .gconf on the side09:29
seb128and see if that fixes it09:29
seb128if it does you know it comes from there09:30
seb128then put the dir back and try without the desktop subdir09:30
seb128and see if that fixes the issue09:30
seb128etc09:30
dholbachbrb09:30
dholbachthanks seb12809:30
seb128you're welcome09:30
seb128ok, another session restart, brb09:31
dholbachman, it works now, after I relogged in09:32
baptistemmthanks seb12809:47
asacTeTeT: you need to encode the git url in the changelog version. then run ./debian/rules get-current-source10:01
seb128oh, asac there10:02
asachi nse10:02
asacseb128:10:02
seb128hey asac10:02
asaci am sure i didnt do a few things ;)10:02
seb128asac: there is no chance we get that nm-applet upload in is it?10:02
asacseb128: yes.10:02
seb128asac: dx is harazing us about it10:02
seb128asac: it's due for weeks now10:02
asacok10:02
seb128asac: thanks!10:03
asacTeTeT: 0.8~rc4~git.20100218t181708.fa9e9b4-0ubuntu1~nmt1  is one example10:03
asacTeTeT: just use 0.8+git.....10:03
asacif its after 0.810:03
asacif its before 0.8 you can just use the version from above and change the git id (fa9e9b4)10:03
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TeTeTasac: thanks a lot, easier than I thought!10:31
asacnp10:33
pittihm, no Chris Coulson today?10:35
seb128pitti, dunno, he has been joining late recently though, not sure if that's because he shifted time wise, he works late in nights too or if he tries to get work done without irc...10:37
pittimvo, seb128: I wonder about bug 150702 - alt+shift-tab works fine here..10:43
ubottuLaunchpad bug 150702 in metacity "alt shift tab stopped navigating windows" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/15070210:43
mvopitti: work for me too, I can have a look after lunch10:44
seb128pitti, works for me10:45
pittiok, that's enough for me; closing :)10:45
pittimvo, seb128: thanks10:45
seb128pitti, look to the upload didrocks did 2 days ago I think I've read something about that one10:45
pittiah10:46
mvoyes, it got only recently uploaded10:46
mvoI think I commited it a while ago but did not upload myself10:46
seb128mvo, hey, well done on categories translations, they work now10:47
seb128in s-c10:47
mvoseb128: sweet10:47
didrocksright, it's working for me as well with mvo's changes10:48
mvocool10:49
* mvo goes for lunch10:49
pittibryceh, tjaalton: for bug 539473, can we drop the b-dep to utempter? Or do we need to fix the package?10:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 539473 in libutempter "libutempter needed as xterm build-dependency" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53947310:54
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seb128hey pedro_10:56
pedro_bonjour seb128!10:58
tgpraveen12is there anything that i can do in this situation:- at spi crashes i click on report problem11:02
tgpraveen12The problem cannot be reported:11:02
tgpraveen12The program crashed on an assertion failure, but the message could not be retrieved. Apport does not support reporting these crashes.11:02
tgpraveen12and the thing is that mouse accessibility hasnt been working since several days in lucid.11:03
pittichrisccoulson: good morning, how are you?11:06
chrisccoulsonhey pitti, i'm good thanks, but still quite tired again11:06
chrisccoulsonhow are you?11:06
seb128hey chrisccoulson11:06
chrisccoulsonhey seb12811:07
pittichrisccoulson: still no sleep? I'm quite well, thanks; I'm happy that I tracked down this "libatasmart kills SSDs" bug..11:09
chrisccoulsonyay\o/11:10
chrisccoulsonthats good :-)11:10
chrisccoulsonyeah, i didn't get much sleep again last night11:10
seb128pitti, does it affect lot of disk models on karmic?11:10
seb128pitti, ie should I recommend people I know to never install karmic on a ssd?11:11
popeykenvandine: does gwibber work behind a proxy?11:12
pittiI can't say; the bug has 5 dupes, but quite some subscribers11:12
pittiseb128: ^11:12
pittiseb128: karmic-proposed has a workaround now11:12
seb128ok11:13
pittiseb128: it easily survives a couple of (or even 50) of those bugs, but it seems to have some long-term effect11:13
pittiseb128: you can rescue the disk by dd'ing zeros over it, though11:13
seb128ok11:13
popeykenvandine: i think 'no' might be the answer after I just tested it11:14
seb128pedro_, hey11:16
seb128pedro_, could you get the debug log for this butterfly crash you get?11:16
pedro_seb128, yep, as soon as i get it again i'll attach the log file to the report11:17
seb128pedro_, thanks11:17
pedro_seb128, my pleasure ;-)11:18
tjaaltonpitti: commented on the bug11:28
pittitjaalton: thanks11:29
tjaaltonpitti: so it's possible to revert the change, or to fix libutempter11:33
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pittitseliot, Riddell: can you please give me a quick status about bug 540177? is that blocked by anything, too hard to do, or on the way for b2?11:38
ubottuLaunchpad bug 540177 in kdebase-workspace "KDM needs plymouth transition patch" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54017711:38
tseliotpitti: I have a patch that needs some testing. I have just rebuilt kdebase-workspace11:41
tseliotpitti: and, unless we want plymouth to prevent failsafe x from showing up, we need a new upload of plymouth (Keybuk will deal with it)11:42
pittitseliot: thank you11:43
tseliotnp11:44
Ngasac: are you still mr ubufox? :)11:59
asacNg: most likely unfortunately, yes. there are a few bugs, yes.12:00
asacNg: anything particular?12:00
pittiRiddell, kenvandine: can you please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus for Kubuntu/DX?12:01
kenvandinepitti, will do12:15
kwwiiasac: hey, where are the network manager icons these days?12:43
kwwiiasac: trying to figure out the name of the bars which show up for 3g connections12:43
asackwwii: i think we dont have a dynamic 3g signal strenght experience yet. dpkg -L network-manager-gnome | grep wwan12:45
asac/usr/share/icons/hicolor/22x22/apps/nm-device-wwan.png12:45
asac?12:45
asacthat one is probably the one12:45
asacoh12:45
kwwiiasac: but that doesn't have the states12:45
asackwwii: yes, 3g doesnt have states atm12:46
asacwasnt finished upstream for 0.812:46
asacunless we have a patch i dont remember12:46
asacchrisccoulson: wanna check out?12:46
asac;)12:46
kwwiiasac: hrm, it seems that when you plug one in blue bars appear12:46
kwwiiasac: and they are not in the Humanity set, so they must come from network manager itself12:46
kwwiiblue bars in the panel is bad :)12:47
asachmm. can you send a screen?12:47
asaci dont have a 3g modem atm12:47
kwwiiasac: nope, I don't have one either12:47
kwwiiasac: sabdfl has one and is experiencing the problem12:47
asackwwii: how does the wwan look like?12:49
asackwwii: whats our default theme atm?12:50
asacis the link blue thing in firefox in our default theme?12:50
asackwwii: in code i dont see it using anything but the nm-device-wwan for 3g12:50
kwwiiasac: hrm, ok I will try that and see if it fixes the problem12:50
kwwiiasac: yes, the blue link color is a problem with any mixed dark/light theme12:51
kwwiiasac: so yes, it is in our defualt theme12:51
didrocksseb128: I had a couple of hours and worked on the g-c-c change for button layout. Do you have a bug number handy?12:52
seb128didrocks, oh nice, wait12:53
didrocksI need a string freeze exception too as I enable people to revert the change automatically applied12:53
seb128didrocks, you mean there?12:55
didrocksseb128: if the theme provide a button layout which is different from your current selection, it applies it (as we talk yesterday), and there is a revert button if people wants to keep his configuration12:57
seb128pedro_, could you try if you confirm bug #543892?12:57
ubottuLaunchpad bug 543892 in rhythmbox "Clicking "Create Audio CD" does nothing" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54389212:57
chrisccoulsonhi asac - sorry, i didn't realise anybody had tried to message me ;)12:58
seb128didrocks, bug 535322 is your issue12:58
ubottuLaunchpad bug 535322 in gnome-control-center "no gui options to switch title bar buttons back to right side" [Wishlist,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53532212:58
didrocksseb128: sweet! thanks :)12:58
chrisccoulsonasac - ok, i will look at that12:58
seb128didrocks, hum, I'm not sure we want that12:59
pedro_seb128, will have a look12:59
asacchrisccoulson: heh. np12:59
seb128didrocks, is that what is done for ie fonts too?12:59
didrocksseb128: fonts is quite different: font changes aren't applied automatically, you have to select the apply button12:59
chrisccoulsonasac - i'm just about to build firefox locally with the cairo patch13:00
seb128didrocks, k, I'm not sure I like having a question there13:00
chrisccoulsonhopefully it works ok :)13:00
didrocksseb128: it's not a question, it's applied automatically13:00
seb128didrocks, I don't get where is the new string though13:00
didrocksseb128: the goal is to have that accepted upstream and they won't if we change automatically the user config. Here, we change it and there is the extra pan (like for the font) saying "the theme applied a new layout button, you can revert it"13:01
seb128didrocks, hum, k, I'm not convinced about that dialog to be honest13:02
seb128seems to be a question confusing users and getting in the way when changing themes13:03
didrocksseb128: it's just to avoid the corner case we talked about yesterday, the "you screwed up my home baked configuration"13:03
didrocksseb128: do you want to give it a try? (pitti too maybe?)13:03
seb128so when do you display the question? I guess we should do it only when the current configuration is not the default one13:04
seb128or the one which matches the theme which was selected13:04
kkihi folks, i'm writing something on policykit for Ubuntu User and I have a short question. Will polkit-gnome-authorization appear in Lucid? It was supposed to be in beta 1: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/policykit-gnome/+bug/530829 but I couldn't find it.13:05
ubottuUbuntu bug 530829 in policykit-gnome "Authorizations is old and should be hidden" [Medium,Fix released]13:05
seb128ie it should be displayed if you changed gconf manually before and not if you just use the configuration dialog the normal way13:05
didrocksseb128: it's only the second atm, it's when the configuration doesn't matches the theme which was selected13:05
pedro_seb128, yes i can reproduce it, i'm adding the debugging log and comment on the upstream bug13:06
seb128pedro_, thank you13:06
pittididrocks: try what?13:06
didrockspitti: the g-c-c changes with the layout button change (but maybe, let's finish to discuss with seb128 first about the change)13:07
seb128I want other people opinion on that13:07
seb128I think the dialog will add confusion to solve a corner case13:07
seb12899% of users never touch this key13:07
seb128and will just want the theme to be the one they select13:07
seb128not have a weird question every time they select a theme to try13:08
didrocksseb128: it's only when the theme has a layout which differs to want is currently selected13:08
seb128right, which means every time you switch between our theme an any other one13:08
didrocksso, it's not something that happends relatively often13:09
didrocksright13:09
seb128well seems the basis usecase13:09
seb128the first time an user will switch theme the question will be there13:09
seb128since our theme is the only one setting the order13:09
seb128so it's basically 99% of users who will get it13:09
pittikki: we explicitly disabled it, because it's mostly useless these days13:09
didrocksit's not really a question, just an notice13:09
pittiseb128, didrocks: oh, *this* kind of layout -- I was thinking too much about keyboard layouts recently13:10
seb128I think the question should be there only if the user layout doesn't match the previous theme one13:10
didrockspitti: sorry that you are haunted by keyboard layout ;)13:10
seb128ie if the user tweaked the key by hand to really be custom13:10
seb128does it make sense to you?13:10
didrocksseb128: right, make sense, I can give it a try13:10
seb128thanks13:11
seb128either that or don't display anything13:11
didrocks(let's try, not sure how we can do that)13:11
seb128that's like using the effects capplet13:11
seb128if you use the ui you deal with having values set by it13:11
seb128if you don't want that you can change the theme in gconf-editor13:11
seb128well I would not bother13:11
seb128just declare that the capplet set themes are they are designed13:11
seb128if you want something else don't use the capplet13:12
didrocksseb128: I'll just have a look if that can be easily done first, as the logic is almost there13:12
seb128it's the same for custom gtk colors13:12
kkipitti: thx, are you going to replace it by some other graphical solution?13:12
seb128those will be dropped on theme change13:12
pittikki: no, there is none ATM13:12
didrocksseb128: it's gconf value too?13:13
seb128didrocks, not sure13:13
seb128didrocks, it's in the detailled option, second tab13:14
didrocksseb128: for all gconf value that are changed I saw on this window, it's 1. keep gconf value 2. propose user to take the theme one (if 2.) -> 3. propose user to revert last applied one13:14
didrockshere, I have skipped the 2nd part (which wasn't natural at first in the code)13:15
didrocksto have it apply from the theme selection13:15
seb128didrocks, ok, I would just drop the question but it's up to you13:15
didrocksI guess your proposal about looking if gconf_key != previous theme is a good idea13:15
seb128I fear we get a pushback from design13:15
didrockswell, gconf_key != previous theme is for 1% of people13:16
seb128right13:16
didrocksif we can please them easily, I give a timeline of 10 min :)13:16
seb128do that if it's easy13:16
seb128or drop the question13:16
seb128sorry but I think there is a good chance design don't like us suggesting applying the ubuntu theme without the button order we decided on there...13:17
seb128ie if you switch from human to light themes after upgrading for example you should get the new experience13:17
pittiseb128: are you currently working on the retracers?13:17
pitti1000     32671  0.0  0.2  39044  8024 ?        S    00:47   0:00 www-browser https://edge.launchpad.net/+authorize-token?oauth_token=XjcGb1bh38FtZKp2kktH&allow_permission=WRITE_PRIVATE13:18
seb128not a question you don't really know about13:18
seb128pitti, no, I tried to subscribe the team to a bug yesterday using the script13:18
kkipitti: but polkit-1 is still a part of 10.04 since you ported a few apps to it, no? Only commandline...13:18
seb128pitti, and it screwed, seems to start some text web browser but without content displayed13:18
pittiseb128: I guess I can kill that one?13:18
pittikki: it's been in Ubuntu since 9.10, yes13:19
seb128pitti, yes13:19
kkipitti: ok, thanks :)13:19
pittiseb128: ah, I just saw that I have a launchpad.py bug fix shelved13:19
seb128pitti, I trying to get out as I could and probably let it running13:19
pittibut I coudl never test it due to staging not working13:19
seb128tried13:19
seb128not sure why it didn't just subscribe the team13:19
seb128token outdated?13:19
seb128asac, chrisccoulson: is there a bug about firefox not using startup-notification when start from the gnome-panel launcher?13:21
seb128ie the busy cursor and an extra entry in the task list are displayed for a while13:22
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure about that13:22
seb128chrisccoulson, do you get the issue too?13:23
chrisccoulsonseb128 - i do if i launch it from the panel menu, but not from the launcher that i normally use on the panel13:24
chrisccoulsonso i never noticed it until now13:24
seb128weird13:24
seb128I do get it from the default launcher there13:24
seb128on 2 boxes13:24
seb128it does the same if I dnd the firefox entry which is in the internet category there too13:25
chrisccoulsonseb128 - the launcher on my panel must be an old one13:25
chrisccoulsonit doesn't have StartupNotify=true in it13:26
seb128k13:26
chrisccoulsonwhich is why i'd never seen it before13:26
seb128that's maybe correct13:26
seb128if firefox doesn't handle it13:26
seb128ie the firefox one maybe shouldn't have it13:26
seb128I will check for open bugs13:26
seb128it's quite visible and worth fixing for lucid13:27
chrisccoulsonseb128 - thanks, i'll take a look at that at some point13:31
chrisccoulsonit might be a trivial fix to make it work properly anyway13:31
pittiseb128: meh; staging isn't really "fixed", it just fails further along :(13:33
asacseb128: could be that the XWindow name is wrong ... let me check13:34
seb128chrisccoulson, asac: it's bug #46975213:35
ubottuLaunchpad bug 469752 in firefox "firefox,3.5/3.6 startup-notification bug" [Unknown,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/46975213:35
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asacStartupWMClass=Firefox13:35
asacwe should check what the window class is13:35
seb128the bug has a comment saying 3.7 has the issue solved so maybe worth checking there?13:36
seb128chrisccoulson, asac: ^13:38
seb128can you reassing to xulrunner if that's correct?13:39
seb128it seems the upstream bug has a trivial patch for it13:39
didrocksok, got it work :)13:39
seb128didrocks, excellent13:39
didrocksseb128: the default I set for other theme (not having the key) is menu:minimize,maximize,close (was the default on karmic, right?)13:40
seb128didrocks, I think so13:41
* didrocks boot his VM13:41
asacchrisccoulson: can you check the startup bug? e.g. if its an issue at all etc.?13:44
seb128asac: it's an issue for sure and fixed in xul hg so we just have to backport changes13:45
asachmm. ok. i sent out all change requests today :)13:47
asacyeah but ok13:47
asaci will let chris check that13:47
seb128k13:47
seb128still no nm-applet upload to lucid? :-)13:48
tjaaltonasac: your mozilla daily builds are taking all the ppa buildd's ;)13:48
asacseb128: thats scheduled for today ;)13:48
asactjaalton: no. the ppa builders are all gone13:48
tjaaltonasac: https://edge.launchpad.net/builders13:48
asactjaalton: we thoguth we fixed it, but seems we didnt. and cr3 was sick leave a few days13:48
seb128asac: k, thanks13:49
asactjaalton: kde/landscape ... lots of other stuff is buildingt13:49
tjaaltonasac: I was going to suggest dropping intrepid and maybe jaunty from the releases to build on13:50
didrocksseb128: ok, confirming that all is working fine now and the defualt is ok. We should maybe wait uploading the theme first which will revert the gconf key setting and add the key in the index file?13:53
didrocksseb128: other, if we upload g-c-c first, if user change theme, it won't find the key in the theme file and will take the default position13:54
* didrocks expects a lot of "waow, they revert the order position in the theme" buzz if it's the case ;)13:54
seb128didrocks, upload I would say it only affects people changing and back and will be fixed today13:56
didrocksseb128: ok :)13:56
dholbachI moved .gconf away now and restarted the session - alt+1 still doesn't work :)13:56
seb128didrocks, kwwii will likely give on an ack for the change later on13:56
seb128didrocks, kwwii will likely give on an ack for the change later on13:56
seb128ups13:56
seb128dholbach, weird13:57
seb128dholbach, does it work using an another layout?13:57
dholbachnope14:00
seb128dholbach, k, so I don't know14:03
seb128sorry14:03
dholbachno worries14:03
chrisccoulsonseb128 - we're expecting a theme update today then are we?14:03
seb128chrisccoulson, light-themes?14:03
seb128check with kwwii14:04
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah14:04
seb128but didrocks needs a change14:04
seb128so we will do an upload in any case yes14:04
chrisccoulsoni would like my purple terminals to return for the weekend ;)14:04
seb128we can sneak your change in too14:04
seb128let's wait for kwwii to reply14:04
seb128we will either get an update from him or distro change both your changes to lucid14:04
seb128works for you?14:05
chrisccoulsonyeah, that should be fine14:05
seb128cool14:05
seb128chrisccoulson, did you read the comments I did about xulrunner before?14:05
seb128the startup notification issue and the upstream change to investigate14:05
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, i did14:05
chrisccoulsonthe bug should remain targetted against firefox for now though, as it uses its own local xulrunner14:06
seb128oh, right14:06
seb128is the assignee right?14:07
seb128I don't know him14:07
chrisccoulsonseb128 - yeah, micahg is quite active on the mozillateam14:08
rickspencer3good morning all14:14
rickspencer3seb128, pitti hi14:14
pittihey rickspencer314:14
rickspencer3pitti, just in case there is any ambiguity ...14:15
rickspencer3no more features for Lucid!14:15
rickspencer3I won't fixed bug #44512314:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 445123 in gdm "No GUI option to disable face browser" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/44512314:15
rickspencer3this is not a bug, this is a feature request14:15
chrisccoulsondidn't a fix already get uploaded for that?14:15
rickspencer3chrisccoulson, the new feature did, yes14:15
pittiyes, Robert fixed it with a hip shot14:16
pittirickspencer3: you want it rolled back?14:16
rickspencer3but who is going to test, translate, and document it?14:16
rickspencer3and then who is going to respond to the requests to make it work differently14:16
rickspencer3and what of the regressions or breakages it could introduce14:16
rickspencer3pitti, I'm a bit confused, I thought we were well past visual freeze, why did the release team ok this?14:16
chrisccoulsonrickspencer3, you don't need to convince me that adding new features now is a bad idea ;)14:16
chrisccoulsoni thought exactly the same thing when i saw the comment last night that it must be  fixed in lucid14:17
pittirickspencer3: it wasn't really explicitly requested14:17
rickspencer3ok14:17
rickspencer3*isgh*14:17
rickspencer3sorry14:17
rickspencer3it seems that each release our users and the engineers ask for better quality as the single most important request14:17
seb128rickspencer3, hey14:17
rickspencer3hi seb12814:18
chrisccoulsonit's not like this feature hasn't been missing for many months already14:18
seb128right I was a bit surprised14:18
rickspencer3so I think we should roll this back rather than springing it on our translators, documentors, qa team, etcs...14:18
seb128well14:18
seb128we added the sound one 2 days ago though14:18
seb128so it's going through translators anyway14:18
seb128so depends how we fell about it now14:19
seb128we can go either way14:19
seb128+ didrocks brough back the une one today14:19
rickspencer3seb128, that's a good argument for rolling back that change too!14:19
pittithe default session one has been there for ages14:19
pittiit was just accidentaly dropped a few days back14:19
rickspencer3please, for the love of all the is clean and pure ...14:19
rickspencer3stop changing Lucid14:20
rickspencer3:)14:20
seb128pitti, I think he was suggesting that for the sound one14:20
pittieww14:20
seb128rickspencer3, ok, let's do that14:20
seb128so we keep what we have now?14:20
* pitti clings to the sound checkbox14:20
pitti[ ] Embarass me14:20
chrisccoulsonis that the german translation? ;)14:21
pittiit's my mental translation14:21
rickspencer3seb128, can we propose robert_ancell's gdm patch upstream and see if we can just pick it up in 10.10 in a sync?14:23
didrocksrickspencer3: the previous gdmsetup patch is in upstream bugtracker for month…14:23
seb128rickspencer3, the gdmsetup one?14:23
seb128it's sitting there for one cycle14:23
seb128they don't seem to be interested14:24
rickspencer3seb128, yes14:24
rickspencer3ok14:24
seb128I think they don't invision it this way14:24
seb128they want those options in the normal desktop config dialogs14:25
seb128i.e the sound one would be a "set system default" in the sound capplet14:25
rickspencer3seb128, ack14:26
rickspencer3well, we should at least offer, I suppose14:26
seb128we did14:26
rickspencer3but that's for after April 15th14:26
rickspencer3right now ..14:26
seb128well gdmsetup is waiting for comments for a cycle14:26
tseliotRiddell, Keybuk: my transition patch for kdm seems to work well and, even though it doesn't have a fade effect like gdm, it makes the transition much smoother. If it passes my local tests with failsafe X and Keybuk's plymouth branch, where can I commit my patch (until a new plymouth is uploaded)? Shall I create my own branch?14:26
Keybukis there any reason not to upload it now?14:27
Keybukthere's nothing in my plymouth update that you need14:27
Keybukit will work with the current plymouth14:27
tseliotKeybuk: well, deactivate + quit doesn't really work well and we do that for failsafe X14:32
tseliotactually it works, in the sense that plymouth exits and the splash remains on the screen leaving the vt in KD_GRAPHICS mode, therefore you can't see failsafe X14:33
baptistemmasac, hi14:34
tseliotKeybuk: I've just noticed this commit: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~plymouth-dev/plymouth/trunk/revision/116914:37
tseliotKeybuk: shall I call reactivate and then quit?14:37
bigonhttp://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=26394 << I think I'm hit by that bug on lucid :/14:37
ubottuFreedesktop bug 26394 in Extensions/DRI "Server sometimes crashes when closing OpenGL programs" [Critical,New]14:37
tseliotbigon: in #ubuntu-x maybe?14:38
Keybuktseliot: NO!14:38
bigontseliot: thx14:38
Keybuktseliot: deactivate + quit doesn't work well for gdm either14:38
Keybuktseliot: there's no reason to delay the kdm upload for the plymouth fix for that14:38
tseliotKeybuk: even if it deliberately breaks failsafe X?14:39
Keybuktseliot: why hold off uploading kdm?14:39
tseliotKeybuk: my question is the answer to your question, unless there's something that I'm missing14:40
Keybuktseliot: nothing about your patch changes14:40
Keybukif you upload it today, or next week14:40
Keybukif you upload it today, and I upload plymouth next week, you don't need to upload again14:40
Keybukso why not upload today?14:40
tseliotKeybuk: yes, in this sense, you're right. There's no real dependency14:41
pittiseb128: FYI, amd64 retracer crashed on an outdated linux crash (couldn't find the .ddeb for old kernel); fixed in bzr trunk14:44
seb128pitti, thanks14:46
pittiseb128: i386 just keeps crashing with a 500 Internal Server Error, I just untag the bug14:46
seb128pitti, I noticed the error in the log but couldn't browse the bug14:47
seb128we should try to change that at some stage14:47
seb128not being able to browse those bugs in launchpad14:47
seb128ok, thank you14:47
pittiseb128: in fact, I just fixed another bug in trunk which might be responsible for this (although previous Launchpad versions were much more explicit about it)14:48
pittiit sometimes tried to reassign an upstream task to a new package14:48
pittibut anyway, /me merges to ubuntu, updates chroots, and let them go on14:49
seb128pitti, thanks a lot14:49
superm1pitti, tseliot mentioned he's working on a few changes to jockey's fglrx handler, and i had mentioned to him that there are a few commits from jockey trunk that should probably be cherry picked too for bugs that they are fixing in ubuntu (and marked as such)14:51
pittisuperm1: I know, I'm on them14:52
pittisuperm1: I want to fix one more bug, then I'll do a new upload14:52
superm1pitti, cool.  i'm not sure where tseliot is on the fglrx handler changes. i didn't realize more was necessary other than s/xorg-driver-fglrx/fglrx/14:53
tseliotsuperm1, pitti: yes, there is also something more that I need to do for nvidia14:54
chrisccoulsonhmmm, weird14:56
superm1oh, nvidia? so is the fglrx handler ok then?14:56
chrisccoulsonpitti - i built firefox with the cairo patch, and it looks even worse now :-/14:56
pittichrisccoulson: uh.. mind putting it into a PPA? might be worth asking slangasek to test it, since he's heavily affected by this14:57
chrisccoulsoni'll try and figure out why it's worse first14:57
pittiok14:57
chrisccoulsonit's not following my font settings at all14:57
tseliotsuperm1: no, the fglrx handler is disabled while the nvidia still has a few problems15:00
tseliotnvidia should work fine in most cases15:01
pittiasac: do you know who is responsible for the mozilla-daily chromium-browser builds?15:43
ograpitti, fta i think15:46
pittiogra: thanks15:46
pittifta: any chance that we could stop the intrepid daily builds? at this point of intrepid's life cycle they are just wasting buildd power, I think; also, perhaps the jaunty ones could move to weekly?15:47
ronocpitti: just going to take a closer look at this mute bug - going to log in now to your machine if taht is okay15:57
rodrigo_jono, heh, facebook doesn't like you neither? :D15:57
jonorodrigo_, indeed15:57
jonoit seems we are hated by the might book right now15:57
rodrigo_jono, I guess they've added some non-working, ultra-paranoid filter15:57
rodrigo_jono, were you writing about telescopes also? :)15:57
pittironoc: sure, go ahead15:57
ronocpitti: ta15:57
pittironoc: applet is acting up again right now, if you want to peek into my session15:58
pittironoc: oh, wait; I need a reboot, brb15:58
ronocok cool15:58
jonorodrigo_, haha15:59
jononot telescope15:59
jonotelescopes15:59
jonoI may have been penalized for "over evangelizing" if anything, Guy Kawazaki had the same issue15:59
asacpitti: yes. i agree that we can drop the intrepid builds. i think fta is fine with that. the real problem is that many ppa builders were down for a while this week as cr3 was out of office :)15:59
rodrigo_jono, :)16:00
jonorodrigo_, I guess we are officially "The Facebook Two"16:01
rodrigo_jono, maybe an oportunity to write our own, yeah :D16:02
ftapitti, asac: yep, no problem to drop intrepid. i wanted to do that once it's officially EOS, which is supposed to be soon (iirc)16:02
kwwiiasac: the awesome bar link color is fixed in the latest theme package16:02
jonorodrigo_, hehe16:03
ftapitti, asac: as for jaunty, it's possible to move it to weekly assuming some minor work on drobotik16:03
pittironoc: I rebooted, but it's fine right now; Heisenbug16:04
ronocpitti: its an odd one alright. I cannot reproduce it here16:05
ronocon my 64bit or 32bit16:05
tseliotpitti, Keybuk: I've uploaded my fix for bug #540177 (just FYI)16:09
ubottuLaunchpad bug 540177 in kdebase-workspace "KDM needs plymouth transition patch" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54017716:09
asackwwii: sorry. so that upstream bug is a non issue?16:10
asacfta: jaunty - everyting to weekly (chromium/firefox etc.9?16:10
asacthat would be ok i think16:10
asacor two per week16:10
* kenvandine -> lunch16:11
rickspencer3bug #47722616:11
ubottuLaunchpad bug 477226 in linux "Sound simultaneously on headphones and speakers - Lenovo IdeaPad u350" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47722616:11
seb128chrisccoulson, didrocks: light-themes changes uploaded16:11
chrisccoulsonseb128 - awesome, thanks16:12
chrisccoulsonso, purple terminal again later :)16:12
* didrocks hugs seb12816:12
kwwiiasac: well, I fear this bug will make some web pages look bad but until it is tested I can't really know16:12
kwwiiasac: by monday we will know what it breaks or doesn't16:12
seb128pitti, you can assign the appindicator bug to a contractor too, ie Nafai or jsmith16:14
pittiseb128: for g-p-m?16:14
seb128yes16:14
seb128or any bug with those changes16:14
NafaiYeah, I can look at it today16:14
pittiseb128: too late, I fixed it16:14
Nafaior even better :)16:14
asackwwii: so you changed link color on web as well?16:14
asaci see. lets keep the pressure up upstream16:15
pittiit was simple, one minute to look at the code to understand the problem, 5 s to fix the patch, three minutes testing :)16:15
asackwwii: please dont post in that bug that all is ok now16:15
seb128pitti, ok16:15
vuntz:l16:26
seb128hey vuntz16:26
rickspencer3pitti, hi, when you get a chance, could you please look at bug #47722616:30
ubottuLaunchpad bug 477226 in linux "Sound simultaneously on headphones and speakers - Lenovo IdeaPad u350" [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/47722616:30
rickspencer3make a judgement if it is really an RC bug, and if so, perhaps see if TheMuso and/or crimsun might benefit from some assistance or what not?16:31
crimsunugh, there really has to be a better way than trawling through dozens of bug attachments for codec info16:37
crimsunrickspencer3: I haven't even read that bug report until now16:37
nigelbcrimsun: tweak the hook?16:37
crimsunnigelb: well, everything that we break ought into separate attachments via the hook is actually combined in upstream's script16:38
crimsunbreak out*16:38
nigelbcrimsun: ah16:39
crimsunrickspencer3: that bug is fixed upstream but requires a backport of the Conexant HDA codec (sound/pci/hda/patch_conexant.c) from linux-2.6.3416:41
crimsungranted, half the people in that bug report are just saying "me, too" without providing any useful machine info16:42
chrisccoulsonpitti - are you in the release meeting too?16:45
pittichrisccoulson: yes16:45
chrisccoulsonah, ok. i won't bother you for a little while then ;)16:45
rickspencer3crimsun, do you think it's feasible to fix?16:49
rickspencer3if it's too risky, just "won't fix" it for Lucid and we'll provide a PPA or something16:49
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ronocpitti: i don't know what to do with this bug on your machine. I checked your dependencies and all seems fine17:22
pittironoc: do you have more than one soundcard? it might be related to that? (although neither of them is muted)17:22
ronocpitti: it appears to be a regression of a bug in libindicate/indicator-sound re image loading that was 'fixed' a week ago17:23
pittironoc: how does it decide which icon to show?17:23
pittisame thing that determines the slider position?17:23
pittisince if I just touch that by a bit, it starts working correctly17:23
ronocpitti: on my desktop I have an pci outboard and the usual intel on board17:23
ronocpitti, yes the volume should set the image aswell as the slider17:24
pittironoc: can I run this in debug mode somehow? that it's verbose about which image it picks, and why?17:24
ronocpitti, when the indicator is ready fetches the volume, mute status and device availability17:25
ronocpitti17:25
ronocpitti: of course - the best thing is to install libindicator-tools17:25
ronocapt-get source indicator-sound17:25
ronocand the depends17:26
ronocmake17:26
ronocthe cd to the src dir17:26
ronocunload the indicators from the panel17:26
ronockillall indicator-sound-service17:26
ronocmake sure there is no service running17:27
ronocthen kick off your own from the src dir ./indicator-sound-service17:27
ronocpitti: then you need to run the .so in with the loader -17:28
* kenvandine wishes debugging indicators was a bit simpler :/17:28
pittironoc: (sorry, I'm lagging; still in meeting)17:30
ronocpitti: /usr/lib/libindicator/indicator-loader src/.libs/libsoundmenu.so17:30
ronocpitti, np17:30
pittironoc: "unload the indicators from the panel"?17:30
ronocpitti: right click - 'remove from panel'17:30
pittiis that "killall indicator-applet"?17:30
pittiah, ok17:31
ronocpitti: or ^ :)17:31
ronockenvandine: tell me about it :)17:31
pittialthought that gives you the nice "do you want to restart?" dialog which you can use to restart the d-bus services underneath17:31
ronocpitti: but you don't want to do that do you? you want to run it manually and monitor trace ?17:32
pittironoc: dpeends; is the bug in the -service or in indicator-applet process?17:32
pittironoc: ok, I guess I need to do that exercise on Monday17:32
ronocpitti: will i think its in libindicator - if you can reproduce this with the loader then it is easy to fix from my end -17:33
ronoc-i +e17:33
pittironoc: problem is, if I restart the applet manually, it always works17:33
pittiit only seems to go wrong during session star17:33
pittit17:33
pittironoc: could the problem be that the indicator starts earlier than pulseaudio is ready?17:33
ronocpitti, yeah this is the exact same as before - no the indicator can handle pulseaudio not being around when starting or flapping17:34
ronocpitti: I have 64bit lucid on my desktop now - will try to reproduce this here (10 restarts so far no sign :(17:35
ronocvery annoying bug17:35
ronocpitti, basically we changed the image loading code to handle the theming problems - now image loading is done via libindicator - imagehelper17:38
ronocpitti - so this is where this bug started to appear17:38
pittironoc: well, it's not that the image looks broken or anything -- it's just the wrong one17:38
ronocpitti: its like the volume update never gets to update the image17:39
chrisccoulsonpitti - the cairo patch makes the firefox fonts worse due to bug 37976117:52
ubottuLaunchpad bug 379761 in fontconfig "MASTER - FF 3.5 font hinting does not honour gnome-settings" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/37976117:52
chrisccoulsonand they aren't just a little bit worse...17:52
pittichrisccoulson: hm, how did that work with the system cairo?17:52
pittichrisccoulson: (and didn't we have two cairo patches?)17:52
chrisccoulsonasac thinks the issue is that it's using 2 copies of cairo (the internal one, plus the system one which gtk links to)17:53
asacyeah. i am quite sure because i did some deep digging on that18:00
asachowever, from the feedback i got most really complain about the lcd patch18:00
chrisccoulsonasac - do you mean they complain about the lack of the lcd patch?18:01
asacyes18:01
asacwell. i never mangaed to explain to them that there are two bugs18:01
chrisccoulsoni think they would complain even more if they saw it with the lcd patch ;)18:01
asacchrisccoulson: only thing we can know is to add the patch ... wait till our dailies pick it up and ask if its good now18:01
asacchrisccoulson: hah. thats bad18:01
asacchrisccoulson: so there is no hinting at all? i thought i used the fontconfig default hinting18:02
asacrather than the gnome-setting18:02
chrisccoulsonhmmm, i'm not sure it's worth even doing that. the fonts are truly horriffic on my laptop since i applied the patch18:02
asacchrisccoulson: have a screen of that?18:02
chrisccoulsonyeah, one second18:03
pittigood night everyone18:04
ronoclater pitti, will try to reproduce over the w.end18:05
ronochave a good one18:05
seb128_'night pitti18:07
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chrisccoulsonasac - http://people.canonical.com/~chrisccoulson/Screenshot-Bug%20%23379761%20in%20firefox%20%28Ubuntu%29:%20%E2%80%9CMASTER%20-%20FF%203.5%20font%20hinting%20does%20not%20honour%20gnome-settings%E2%80%9D%20-%20Mozilla%20Firefox.png18:07
chrisccoulsonoops18:07
chrisccoulsonshould have shortened the link18:07
asacchrisccoulson: can you fix it in fontconfig?18:08
chrisccoulsoni'm not sure if i know enough about fontconfig to do that yet ;)18:08
asacchrisccoulson: http://paste.ubuntu.com/18:09
asacchrisccoulson: use that for .fonts.conf18:09
asacthen restart ffox18:09
chrisccoulsonasac - did you mean to post a link with some content? ;)18:11
asacchrisccoulson: oh18:12
asacchrisccoulson: pastebin claimed its "insecure content" and refused to submit it ;)18:13
asacchrisccoulson: here it is: http://paste.ubuntu.com/401941/18:13
asacit starts with <?xml ...18:13
asac;)18:13
asacthe rest was to trick paste.ubuntu.com18:13
chrisccoulsonok, just trying now18:13
asacchrisccoulson: if that isnt good, try hintfull rather than slight18:13
chrisccoulsonasac - hintslight doesn't make much difference, but hintfull seems to make the fonts look better, but very skinny18:21
asacchrisccoulson: yes so for you it seems that our default in ubuntu is wrong18:21
asaci wanted to go to hintfull in general, but got pushback18:22
chrisccoulsonhmmm, but now is probably not a good time to change that18:22
* ccheney wanders off to find lunch, bbs18:25
chrisccoulsonasac - hintmedium seems to be a reasonable compromise18:35
asacchrisccoulson: yes. problem is that depends on the font you are using and the screen. there is no golden rule unfortunately18:39
chrisccoulsonasac - i'm slightly confused about how all the different font components fit together (eg, fontconfig, freetype etc)18:40
asacchrisccoulson: its a mess ;)18:40
chrisccoulsonyou seem to be quite knowledgeable about fonts ;)18:40
asacchrisccoulson: yes, i ended up in that trap at some point ;)18:40
mdeslaurchrisccoulson: the screenshot you just pasted does not have a working lcd filtering patch18:40
chrisccoulsonand also why changing .fonts.conf changes firefox but not anything else ;)18:40
asacchrisccoulson: right. thats becase gnome-settings win over fontconfig18:41
chrisccoulsonmdeslaur, i'm just about to try yours18:41
asacthe only solution is to make gnome frontend to configure using fonts.conf18:41
chrisccoulsonah, ok, that makes more sense18:41
chrisccoulsonso, g-s-d is setting X properties which are picked up by gtk isn' it?18:41
asacthere was some effort in the past, but thats difficult18:41
asacchrisccoulson: yes. but thats not optimal. problem is that different fonts have different perfect settings on different dpi18:42
asacso chinese fonts often dont need same hinting as latin fonts etc.18:42
chrisccoulsonah, ok18:42
chrisccoulsonand i assume that fontconfig is more flexible here?18:42
asacone solution is to add a virtual config for fontconfig imo18:42
asacthat loads the xsettings at level 5018:43
asacand then make cairo only obey fontconfig18:43
asacin that way we could overload the xsettings for special fonts still18:43
asacso e.g. /etc/fonts.d/50-x-settings.conf18:43
jjardon Hello, Could somebody take a look to this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk-doc/+bug/52679419:26
ubottuUbuntu bug 526794 in gtk-doc "Please sync gtk-doc-tools from debian stable/unstable main" [Undecided,New]19:27
jjardonI have installed 1.11 in my lucid, but 1.13 seems to be available in launchpad19:27
jjardonstrange19:27
mdeslaurjjardon: it FTBFS: E: Couldn't find package highlight19:30
jjardonmdeslaur, install highlight19:31
jjardonhere the version is 1.13: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/gtk-doc19:33
mdeslaurjjardon: gtk-doc depends on highlight, and highlight is in universe, so it failed to build19:33
jjardonam19:33
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jjardonI see the problem now, how can be this fixed? (gtk-doc is part of GNOME release)19:34
james_weither highlight should be approved for main, or gtk-doc should be changed to disable highlighting again19:35
mdeslaurjjardon: it's probably too late for lucid, but you could either see if gtk-doc can be built without highlight, or get highlight approved for main with a MIR19:35
* jjardon checkin gtk-doc code19:38
didrockstime to enjoy the week-end. See you everyone :)19:39
jjardongtk-doc can be compiled without  highlight installed19:40
jjardonyou only need vim19:40
chrisccoulsonhave a good weekend didrocks19:42
jjardonmdeslaur, should I file a bug?19:43
mdeslaurjjardon: you need to file a FFe if you want it to go in lucid19:44
jjardonmdeslaur, Could you point me to some documentation to how make that?19:46
mdeslaurjjardon: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess and then https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SponsorshipProcess19:53
jjardonmdeslaur, thank you19:53
seb128there is no need of a ffe to fix a source not building19:57
mdeslauroh, cool, I wasn't 100% sure on that point19:58
mdeslaurjjardon: ^19:58
seb128it's rather a rc bug to have the lucid version not building19:58
jjardonseb128, sorry, Should I have to do "anything" then? ;) I already filled this bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gtk-doc/+bug/52679420:01
ubottuUbuntu bug 526794 in gtk-doc "Please sync gtk-doc-tools from debian stable/unstable main" [Undecided,Fix released]20:01
jjardonoh, seems to be fixed20:02
jjardonthanks james_w ;)20:03
seb128jjardon, we have the new version for weeks, it didn't build because highlight is in universe20:03
seb128we either need to make it build without it20:04
seb128or get highlight promoted in lucid20:04
jjardonseb128, I don't have highlight in my machine and I can compile gtk-doc without problems (no extra option passed)20:04
seb128so somebody needs to open a bug on the debian bts about dropping the build-depends20:05
jjardonseb128, git version here, maybe the requirement was relaxed in some commit20:05
seb128so we need to backport this commit20:05
seb128http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gtk-doc/news/20100114T092125Z.html20:06
seb128"Enable syntax highlighting for source code."20:06
seb128guess that's the reason20:06
jjardonviewing configure.ac, you can enable it with a recent version of vim20:07
jjardonseb128, http://git.gnome.org/browse/gtk-doc/tree/configure.ac#n9920:07
seb128we either need to turn that off or see if we can get it to build without universe components20:08
jjardonseb128, I tried here: if you don't have vim ot highligh instaled, you still can make ./autogen.sh && make without any problems (autotools auto disable the feature)20:11
seb128right20:11
chrisccoulsonexcellent, my gf has gone out for the evening. time for me to order some unhealthy food20:11
seb128chrisccoulson, lol20:12
mdeslaurlol20:12
mvo*yumm*20:12
seb128jjardon, the build-depends is probably no required20:12
seb128mvo, it's probably not vegetarian food either :p20:12
mvofrench fries, very unhealty, still yummy :)20:13
seb128;-)20:13
* seb128 hugs mvo20:13
* mvo hugs seb12820:14
ftacould someone have a look at bug 539246?20:15
ubottuLaunchpad bug 539246 in chromium-browser "chromium renders as a dialog under UNE" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53924620:15
jjardonhave to go, thank you for your support :)20:22
kenvandinemy laptop is seriously about to start smoking20:24
kenvandinegwibber has my CPU pegged... and trying to debug :)20:24
benccwhere can I report a bug in gedit?20:25
kenvandinebencc, run "ubuntu-bug gedit"20:30
bencckenvandine: didn't know about that. thanks20:37
kenvandinebencc, np... thanks for filing bugs!20:39
Nafaihrm, gwibber doesn't seem to be posting21:00
Nafaikenvandine: any logs or such I should look at?21:00
kenvandine ~/.cache/gwibber/gwibber.log21:01
kenvandineNafai, i heading out right now though... but should be around later tonight if you want me to look21:02
kenvandineor file a bug21:02
Nafaisure thing, thanks21:02
kenvandinehopefully it will be obvious :)21:02
Nafaiyeah21:02
Nafaikenvandine: Simple, for some reason friendfeed was selected as the only one to send messages, instead of Twitter :)21:06

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