| JohnFlux | Hi all | 04:54 |
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| JohnFlux | 9.10 allocates 10GB of swap for me, by default | 04:54 |
| JohnFlux | can we adjust that please? | 04:54 |
| JohnFlux | is there anyone that believes that the ordinary user needs 10GB of swap by default? | 04:55 |
| cody-somerville | Its a bug. | 05:00 |
| cody-somerville | The installer team is aware of it. | 05:00 |
| JohnFlux | cody-somerville: someone pointed out to me that you need lots of space for suspend to disk | 05:01 |
| JohnFlux | so it's not as silly as I first though | 05:01 |
| JohnFlux | thought | 05:01 |
| JohnFlux | I'm wondering if a combination of swapfile and swap partition could be used | 05:01 |
| JohnFlux | so have a swap partition _just_ for suspending | 05:01 |
| JohnFlux | and then a swap file for the actual swap | 05:01 |
| cody-somerville | You need as much swap as you do RAM and most people don't have 10GB of ram. | 05:02 |
| JohnFlux | right - I have 4GB | 05:03 |
| JohnFlux | so this way the installer could allocate the swap partition as big as the RAM | 05:03 |
| JohnFlux | then setup a growable swap file | 05:03 |
| JohnFlux | thus avoiding the problem of having to allocate 10GB of swap to be safe | 05:04 |
| cody-somerville | it really is a bug | 05:04 |
| cody-somerville | I heard cjwatson talking about it the other day. | 05:04 |
| JohnFlux | what is the value that it should be? | 05:05 |
| JohnFlux | perhaps about 6GB I guess? | 05:05 |
| cody-somerville | little over 4gb would probably be fine. | 05:06 |
| JohnFlux | cody-somerville: that would mean the swap space is only a little then | 05:06 |
| JohnFlux | cody-somerville: if you want suspend to work you have to reserve that 4gb | 05:06 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: cjwatson * r847 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog grub-installer): (log message trimmed) | 09:43 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: Ask grub-installer/only_debian at high priority again (LP: #47135). | 09:43 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: Originally, in Warty, we ensured that this question wouldn't be visible | 09:43 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: by default to support simple installations of Ubuntu with as few | 09:43 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: questions as possible. However, since then, we wrote Ubiquity, which | 09:43 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: has taken over responsibility for the simple installation case, and it's | 09:43 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: become clear that automatically installing GRUB to the first disk's MBR | 09:43 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: cjwatson * r848 ubuntu/debian/ (68 files in 2 dirs): | 09:50 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: Update grub-installer/bootdev text to avoid GRUB device naming that | 09:50 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: changed between GRUB Legacy and GRUB 2, and to use libata-style device | 09:50 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: naming since that is more accurate for most people (LP: #391775) | 09:50 |
| ev | I wonder how many torches and pitchforks would be outside my door if I seeded proper vim back onto the live CD | 10:10 |
| StevenK | ev: Hell, I'd support that :-) | 10:11 |
| * cjwatson tries to figure out what to do about mdadm not working properly in the initramfs | 10:14 | |
| cjwatson | I've worked out what the problem is | 10:14 |
| ev | oh? | 10:14 |
| cjwatson | the MD 0.90 metadata format operates by putting a superblock at the *end* of the physical volume | 10:15 |
| cjwatson | (this is arguably a little silly and the 1.x formats work differently, but GRUB doesn't support them yet so they're not an option) | 10:15 |
| cjwatson | this means that when mdadm starts up, it's told to just look at everything in /proc/partitions, and it finds that both /dev/sda and /dev/sda1 appear to be the same physical volume | 10:16 |
| cjwatson | and it's not smart enough to say "oh, I'll take the partition then" | 10:16 |
| cjwatson | the reason I suddenly ran into this is that I'm using exact-number-of-MiB disks as a result of using kvm (though maybe most disks are exact-MiB? I'm not sure) and so the change to use MiB alignment by default means that the end of the partition lands exactly on the end of the disk | 10:17 |
| cjwatson | if there's a gap at the end, it's not a problem | 10:17 |
| ev | ah, yikes | 10:18 |
| ev | is there a bug number for this? | 10:18 |
| cjwatson | I'm very tempted to say "always allow a 4KiB gap at the end of the disk" to work around it | 10:18 |
| ev | that seems entirely reasonable for lucid | 10:18 |
| cjwatson | yeah, bug 527401 | 10:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 527401 in grub2 "grub-installer fails to install on a raid1 array" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527401 | 10:18 |
| ev | though it wouldn't cover us for disks brought in from the outside | 10:18 |
| ev | outside our set of tools, that is | 10:19 |
| cjwatson | they'd already be failing, I think | 10:19 |
| cjwatson | the mdadm FAQ says you have to configure mdadm specially if you want to do that | 10:19 |
| cjwatson | personally I sort of think mdadm ought to be made smarter | 10:19 |
| cjwatson | but feels risky given available time | 10:19 |
| ev | indeed | 10:20 |
| cjwatson | I think this may end up wasting up to 1MiB at the end of every disk | 10:40 |
| cjwatson | but, well | 10:40 |
| ev | I'd be very surprised if anyone actually noticed, given how much additional space is taken by ext4. | 10:50 |
| ev | yay more webkitgtk bugs (bug 509838) | 10:50 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 509838 in ubiquity "[Lucid alpha2] Ubiquity exits without action" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509838 | 10:50 |
| cjwatson | * Make sure the user we're not processing events before we've set up | 11:14 |
| cjwatson | the language list in the KDE frontend (LP 528678). | 11:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 528678 in ubiquity "UnicodeDecodeError: 'ascii' codec can't decode byte 0xc3 in position 13: ordinal not in range(128)" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528678 | 11:14 |
| cjwatson | ev: ^- is the ": #" intentionally missing from that? | 11:14 |
| cjwatson | or did you just fix part of it? | 11:15 |
| ev | correct | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | ah, ok | 11:15 |
| ev | I haven't fixed the unicode to QString fun yet | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | I just noticed the different highlighting in my editor :) | 11:15 |
| ev | thanks for checking though | 11:15 |
| cjwatson | yay, that partman change did indeed fix raid installation | 11:26 |
| cjwatson | end-to-end test worked | 11:26 |
| ev | nice | 11:29 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: cjwatson * r198 ubuntu/ (debian/changelog parted_server.c): | 11:32 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: Always leave a small gap at the end of the disk (except on device-mapper | 11:32 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: devices), to avoid confusing mdadm by leaving the MD 0.90 superblock at | 11:32 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: the end of the disk as well as the end of a partition (LP: #527401). | 11:32 |
| CIA-3 | partman-base: cjwatson * r199 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 139ubuntu2 | 11:34 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: cjwatson * r849 ubuntu/debian/po/ (66 files): avoid unnecessary delta | 11:35 |
| CIA-3 | grub-installer: cjwatson * r850 ubuntu/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.49ubuntu9 | 11:36 |
| ev | hrm, the locale isn't being generated in ubiquity before we get to console-setup | 11:36 |
| ev | so iconv gets fed a bogus value for $(locale charmap) | 11:37 |
| * ev digs further | 11:37 | |
| davmor2 | ev: don't dig too much further you'll be in china | 12:03 |
| ev | davmor2: :) | 12:04 |
| ev | cjwatson: if you have a moment, can I pick your brain on localization (for bug #542310)? In console-setup, there's a call to iconv to do transliteration in the event that the post-install locale is non-UTF-8. This breaks (creates question mark characters) in ubiquity because the value of $(locale charmap) is ANSI_X3.4-1968 because we haven't generated locales for el_GR.UTF-8 yet. | 12:24 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 542310 in ubiquity "Corrupted layout/variant list on Step 3 in installer" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542310 | 12:24 |
| ev | d-i doesn't have iconv, so it avoids the call entirely. I see two options. We can either remove the transliteration from console-setup, given that we're only using UTF-8 locales (to my knowledge), or we can generate the locale before we get to console-setup. | 12:24 |
| cjwatson | ugh. it seems to me that this is a debconf bug | 12:29 |
| ev | debconf? This is long before text enters debconf. | 12:30 |
| cjwatson | isn't kbdnames substituted at some point? | 12:30 |
| cjwatson | what I mean is, SUBST encoding isn't defined, but it would be better to just be able to substitute UTF-8 text into debconf and let it worry about it, rather than having to manually recode to the user's locale | 12:30 |
| ev | ahhh | 12:30 |
| ev | indeed | 12:31 |
| cjwatson | I'm thinking of something like http://paste.ubuntu.com/401758/ | 12:34 |
| cjwatson | but even without that, I think removing the transliteration would in practice be much better than leaving it in there | 12:35 |
| cjwatson | the number of people who'll set a non-UTF-8 locale and then later come round to reconfigure console-setup is going to be vanishingly small | 12:35 |
| cjwatson | as you say, we only use UTF-8 locales ourselves | 12:35 |
| cjwatson | with the possible exception of "No localization" | 12:35 |
| ev | definitely agreed | 12:38 |
| ev | by the way, Ivanka was just singing the praises of how fast the installer is now | 12:41 |
| ev | okay, I'll make the change to console-setup then | 12:43 |
| ev | cjwatson: did you want to commit that debconf change, or are you keen to leave that until Manic Monkey? | 12:44 |
| CIA-3 | console-setup: evand * r142 console-setup/debian/ (changelog config.proto): | 12:49 |
| CIA-3 | console-setup: Remove iconv transliteration. We don't use non-UTF-8 locales, and | 12:49 |
| CIA-3 | console-setup: it breaks ubiquity as we haven't generated the configured locale by | 12:49 |
| CIA-3 | console-setup: the time we hit console-setup (LP: #542310). | 12:49 |
| cjwatson | ev: fast> excellent :) | 12:50 |
| cjwatson | ev: I'll bring it up with Joey, but I don't think we need it for Lucid | 12:50 |
| ev | cjwatson: cool, thanks | 12:50 |
| CIA-3 | console-setup: evand * r143 console-setup/debian/changelog: releasing version 1.34ubuntu13 | 13:02 |
| xivulon | hi davmor2, any bug on your end I should be aware of, lp seems fairly quiet | 13:10 |
| davmor2 | xivulon: not that I know too I'll have a play latter and see if there are any faults I can see | 13:11 |
| ev | xivulon: sounds like a call for testing on ubuntuforums is in order :) | 13:11 |
| ev | or whatever was done at beta that had lots of people in here asking to help test wubi | 13:11 |
| xivulon | ev we do not have a dedicated forum anymore :( | 13:11 |
| xivulon | so I do not follow the forums that much these days | 13:11 |
| ev | ask in a general forum and ask the moderators to sticky it? | 13:12 |
| xivulon | I still cannot boot using virtualbox (stops before loading initrd) so I am a bit in the dark | 13:12 |
| cjwatson | it would be worth a quick test to make sure the new ntfs-3g hasn't broken things | 13:13 |
| xivulon | and I need to load up the new translations | 13:13 |
| xivulon | I will see if kvm works out better | 13:14 |
| ev | cjwatson: per Jane's email, shouldn't DEBVERSION in debian-cd be "10.04 LTS", or will that break things? | 13:16 |
| xivulon | ps if there is any plan to improve the web visibility on ubuntu.com I will redirect wubi-installer.org, otherwise I could do with some of the new artwork | 13:18 |
| ev | xivulon: michaelforrest is looking into applying the new artwork to wubi | 13:19 |
| ev | apologies, I forgot to mention that earlier | 13:19 |
| xivulon | ah nice, will that also affect the app itself, the wubi website, ubuntu.com page? | 13:19 |
| ev | I'm not sure how they website layout is changing with respect to wubi, beyond what they've already done | 13:20 |
| ev | but it wont be the default for windows users until we can sort out migration | 13:20 |
| xivulon | It makes sense | 13:20 |
| xivulon | I have applied for mentorship to gsoc | 13:20 |
| xivulon | ev quick reminder about the logo in the certificate. That is actually the very first dialog many users see. | 13:26 |
| ev | xivulon: ah, good thinking | 13:26 |
| ev | michaelforrest: ^ | 13:26 |
| ev | xivulon: mentorship> awesome | 13:26 |
| ev | right, lunch | 13:27 |
| xivulon | am already following up on #ubuntu-artwork | 13:28 |
| cjwatson | ev: which e-mail from Jane? anyway, yes, that would break at least some things - among other things it's substituted into a URL for the release notes | 13:45 |
| cjwatson | there may be some centring issues on boot screens as well | 13:46 |
| cjwatson | not that it can't be changed, but it would need care | 13:46 |
| ev | cjwatson: warthogs, "Ubuntu 10.04 LTS" | 13:51 |
| * ev lunches | 13:51 | |
| cjwatson | oh, yeah, I see it | 13:52 |
| cjwatson | we probably ought to make an effort to do something about that | 13:52 |
| xivulon | ev, davmor2 I have a call for testing on http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9030372 | 14:09 |
| xivulon | you might want to subscribe | 14:09 |
| ev | xivulon: thanks | 14:17 |
| ev | cjwatson: we could add a ubiquity/lts template and subst it in wherever we use ${RELEASE}. | 14:18 |
| cjwatson | does LTS get translated? | 14:18 |
| ev | hrm | 14:24 |
| ev | I'm really not sure. Sounds like a question for Jane. | 14:24 |
| ev | I would suspect not, but I am by no means authoritative :) | 14:24 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: cjwatson * r3992 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog debian/control scripts/install.py): | 14:49 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: Depend on uboot-mkimage and redboot-tools on armel, and ensure that the | 14:49 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: appropriate one for the subarchitecture is kept installed, so that | 14:49 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: flash-kernel can work properly without network access (LP: #537007). | 14:49 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: evand * r3993 ubiquity/ (4 files in 3 dirs): | 15:47 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: Handle window manager buttons properly in greeter mode | 15:47 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: (LP 539827). | 15:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 539827 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashes after clicking "try ubuntu"" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/539827 | 15:47 |
| cjwatson | ev: are we going to make text non-selectable, per foundations-lucid-installer-design-improvements? | 16:33 |
| ev | cjwatson: yes | 16:33 |
| ev | just updating ubiquity for unexpected python-apt changes, then I'll do that | 16:34 |
| cjwatson | ok | 16:34 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: evand * r3994 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog scripts/install.py): | 16:37 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: Update DebconfInstallProgress for changes to python-apt | 16:37 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: (LP: #548852). | 16:37 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: evand * r3995 ubiquity/debian/changelog: Wrong LP bug number in previous commit. | 16:38 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: evand * r3996 ubiquity/ (13 files in 3 dirs): | 17:15 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: Make labels unselectable now that we're in beta, per foundations- | 17:15 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: lucid-installer-design-improvements. | 17:15 |
| ev | cjwatson: From Jane> don't translate "LTS", not sure on Xubuntu being LTS | 17:31 |
| cjwatson | so no need for ubiquity/lts | 17:31 |
| ev | and we just change the strings that have LTS in them each release? | 17:32 |
| cjwatson | doesn't it pick up "10.04 LTS" from .disk/info? | 17:33 |
| cjwatson | at least assuming that we updated DEBVERSION somehow | 17:33 |
| ev | oh ok, I thought we weren't going to do that, on account of things breaking | 17:33 |
| ev | but yeah, if we update DEBVERSION there's no need to do much in ubiquity (save maybe update things that depend on spaces as delimiters) | 17:33 |
| cjwatson | I don't think it's very many things, it just isn't entirely trivial | 17:33 |
| cjwatson | I'd rather do it there than in ubiquity I think ... | 17:33 |
| ev | noted | 17:34 |
| ev | it would equally update it for things like usb-creator and wubi, which would be nice | 17:34 |
| CIA-3 | debian-installer: ogra * r1263 ubuntu/ (6 files in 4 dirs): add support for armel+omap architecture | 17:45 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: evand * r3997 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog gui/gtk/ubiquity.ui): Make the quit warning dialog transient for the main window (modal). | 17:57 |
| ev | right, I'm going to upload a new ubiquity | 17:57 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: evand * r3998 ubiquity/ (d-i/manifest debian/changelog): | 17:59 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: Automatic update of included source packages: console-setup | 17:59 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: 1.34ubuntu13, grub-installer 1.49ubuntu9, partman-base 139ubuntu2. | 17:59 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: evand * r3999 ubiquity/debian/changelog: releasing version 2.2.9 | 18:05 |
| gellmar | hello! What's wrong with netboot kernels on lucid? | 20:38 |
| gellmar | the previous one worked like a charm | 20:38 |
| gellmar | and the latest one pops a list of drivers to recognize my HDD | 20:39 |
| gellmar | and I can not continue | 20:39 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: superm1 * r4000 ubiquity/ (debian/changelog ubiquity/i18n.py): | 21:47 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: Fix the default language selection for when only-show-installable-languages | 21:47 |
| CIA-3 | ubiquity: is set to true. | 21:47 |
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