Sarvatt | is it a known issue that theres no linux-backports-modules for 2.6.32-17 in the archives yet? | 02:41 |
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MTecknology | Sarvatt: it's in the pocket | 02:59 |
MTecknology | so.. it shoulda been there already | 02:59 |
JohnFlux | woohoo! Suspend works now on my machine :-) | 04:25 |
JohnFlux | It didn't work in 9.10 but does in 10.04 | 04:25 |
JohnFlux | I love you guys! :) | 04:25 |
JohnFlux | Why do drivers released by companies have such poor quality? | 04:43 |
johanbr | if you're talking about closed-source drivers, it seems like the authors often have a less than perfect understanding of how to interface with the kernel properly | 04:44 |
JohnFlux | even GPL'ed drivers | 04:44 |
JohnFlux | The released ralink driver doesn't compile because they removed MODULE_LICENSE("GPL") at the last moment | 04:44 |
JohnFlux | it contains a serious flaw that lets root the system remotely | 04:45 |
johanbr | oh that... yes, ralink is a mess | 04:45 |
JohnFlux | It spams the syslog with the message "#" once for every packet!! | 04:45 |
JohnFlux | The email addy bounces | 04:45 |
JohnFlux | but I've seen this mess elsewhere | 04:46 |
JohnFlux | I worked for a company writing video drivers for SGX | 04:46 |
JohnFlux | people keep pushing us to release the code for the driver.. but there's a good reason we don't show anyone it.. :-D | 04:47 |
johanbr | right :) | 04:47 |
johanbr | I think opensource encourages good programming practices | 04:47 |
JohnFlux | we used RCS, and actually sent customer patches as a Word document! | 04:48 |
JohnFlux | with instructions to copy and paste the text, then manually fix the smart quotes.. | 04:48 |
johanbr | yikes :) | 04:49 |
JohnFlux | when I left, last year, they were planning to upgrade to CVS | 04:49 |
JohnFlux | they still haven't though :-D | 04:49 |
johanbr | maybe they got rid of the Word patches at least :) | 04:50 |
JohnFlux | no, I tried to at least automate the process.. but no luck | 04:50 |
syn-ack | Seriously, *word*? | 05:09 |
syn-ack | man, I could understand something like notepad or wordpad but *word*?!!? /me shudders | 05:09 |
crimsun | bjf: patch for #303789 sent to stable and upstream | 05:46 |
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amitk | smb: the d-i patch, shouldn't it say modularise instead of de-modularise? | 08:24 |
smb | amitk, Yes Andy should have known better. Thats how those patches are now in the repo. I won't rewrite history | 08:25 |
* amitk doubts andy's english skills, he's english after all | 08:26 | |
smb | (and actually we all failed to spot it in looking at the patches. /me included) | 08:26 |
smb | amitk, MY language skill get bad in any language given the time of day is late enough. ;-P | 08:27 |
amitk | there has to be a better way to create our d-i modules files automagically - comparing config file changes to d-i changes is painful | 08:31 |
amitk | smb: do you know if PATA_SIS == module(pata_sl82c105.ko)? | 08:36 |
amitk | I guess I can look at the Kconfig help text | 08:37 |
smb | amitk, I created the list from the modules I found on my build system. | 08:37 |
smb | There are a few that are different between amd64 and i386 but I hope this catches all | 08:37 |
amitk | smb: some discrepancies | 08:40 |
amitk | PATA_SIS is enabled in the config, but not in d-i | 08:40 |
smb | Ok, I should add that then | 08:41 |
amitk | In Sata: | 08:42 |
smb | amitk, Hm, pata_sis? I only see sata_sis.ko | 08:42 |
amitk | smb: I see a PATA_SIS enabled in debian.master/config/config.common.ubuntu | 08:43 |
amitk | sata looks good | 08:45 |
smb | amitk, For some reason the PATA_SIS ends up being built in... | 08:46 |
smb | amitk, Need to check the lower config files | 08:46 |
amitk | smb: you're right, I missed the =y, so yes it is built in | 08:47 |
amitk | so according to config, the d-i is correct. | 08:47 |
smb | amitk, Though I wonder whether this should also becom =m | 08:47 |
amitk | whether or not PATA_SIS should be built-in or not is a separate story | 08:47 |
smb | yeah | 08:47 |
smb | I make a sticky-note for apw | 08:47 |
smb | amitk, I just want that d-i change out and in today as this breaks a good deal of things | 08:48 |
amitk | smb: ack away | 08:51 |
smb | amitk, Many thanks | 08:51 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: Hey man | 09:08 |
smb | JohnFlux_, mornin | 09:08 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: I'm going to ask a very stupid question.. what does "Fix Committed" mean ? :-) | 09:08 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: This means it's now a patch in the ubuntu kernel, right? But not yet accepted by the staging drivers guys upstream? | 09:09 |
smb | JohnFlux_, :) That I put the patch into our git tree. When it gets uploaded and released it will become fix released | 09:09 |
smb | The status has nothing to do with upstream. Just internal workflow | 09:09 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: got ya. We added 0x0411, 0x015D but I'm seeing the occasional post about the same thing also being 0x0411, 014F | 09:12 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: e.g. http://forums.ncix.com/forums/index.php?mode=showthread&msg_id=2026623&threadid=2026623&forum=105&product_id=37959&msgcount=0&overclockid=0 | 09:12 |
smb | JohnFlux_, I plan to do an upload late today. So it should become available latest next week. For some things I need other people to do it, so it can get delayed. | 09:12 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: Should I update https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardwareSupportComponentsWirelessNetworkCardsBuffalo to change the status to working? | 09:13 |
smb | JohnFlux_, If there are other IDs, those should get filed as separate bugs. Nothing worse that one bug with plenty of different "oh and this ID too" | 09:13 |
smb | JohnFlux_, Maybe wait for the official kernel to be available for that | 09:14 |
smb | Just being paranoid. ;-) | 09:14 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: hum, it seems easier to just add them now and see if we get bug reports about them | 09:15 |
smb | JohnFlux_, And again, the official kernel will not contain the ID for that ralink 2070L | 09:15 |
JohnFlux_ | official ubuntu kernel, or official linus's kernel? | 09:15 |
JohnFlux_ | oh right, the 2070 | 09:16 |
JohnFlux_ | Hopefully I can get someone else to confirm it works in time | 09:16 |
JohnFlux_ | but.. what's the harm? | 09:16 |
JohnFlux_ | we know that this is the driver that should be used | 09:16 |
JohnFlux_ | we know that it _should_ work | 09:16 |
JohnFlux_ | and we know that without the change, it certaintly won't work | 09:16 |
JohnFlux_ | so what's the harm in just adding it? | 09:16 |
smb | JohnFlux_, Exactly _should_. I like to be _certain_ | 09:17 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: I can be _certain_ that it won't work without it | 09:17 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: how's that for certain? :P | 09:17 |
smb | JohnFlux_, Not enough to convince me. :-P | 09:17 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: I don't really get why not :P Seems a very obvious choice between "certaintly won't work" and "probably should work" | 09:18 |
smb | JohnFlux_, But I won't carry a patch that _might_ work. If it _does_ work it should go upstream, but I won't bother Greg with something that maybe works | 09:18 |
JohnFlux_ | okay | 09:19 |
amitk | JohnFlux_: we don't carry "probably works" patches. They has to be verification that it works. | 09:22 |
JohnFlux_ | is there a way to force a driver to work anyway for a given usb id? | 09:25 |
smb | JohnFlux_, I think there is a bind file in sysfs for each driver, which you can echo IDs into... | 09:29 |
amitk | JohnFlux_: http://lwn.net/Articles/143397/ | 09:31 |
amitk | JohnFlux_: apologies, that was for driver binding, this one is for adding a new ID: http://www.ha19.no/usb/ | 09:32 |
smb | amitk, Good find. I just was about to mention new_id | 09:33 |
JohnFlux_ | very interesting | 09:33 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9030092#post9030092 someone said that your kernel doesn't boot for them? | 13:16 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: they mentioned that they have an eepc though | 13:16 |
JohnFlux_ | 'mounted root fs can not mount /dev/pts and something else cant mount rootfs' | 13:16 |
JohnFlux_ | Does this error mean anything to anyone ? | 13:17 |
smb | It seems to be unable to find or mount the root file system and another virtual fs. Why is hard to say. Have you tried the kernel I made? | 13:19 |
smb | Probably not as you had a working kernel before | 13:19 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: sorry, this is what someone else said | 13:21 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: I haven't actually tried your kernel :-) | 13:21 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: I pasted that error from that link I just gave | 13:22 |
smb | But the information is not very detailed. Could be something gone wrong installing. Could be something in the build. But its just the usual build with two more patches | 13:22 |
smb | I have seen that. But its hard to tell more | 13:22 |
JohnFlux_ | smb: might be something related to the EEPC ? | 13:23 |
smb | I would doubt it. If they had been running Ubuntu before... | 13:24 |
cnd | how do you delete a chroot after you don't need it anymore? | 13:27 |
* cnd doesn't need lucid chroot now that I'm running lucid | 13:27 | |
smb | cnd, You could rm -rf and remove the entry from the config. But I would still keep it as its a better controlled environment | 13:29 |
cnd | smb, good point, but not good enough when I need to conserve space :) | 13:30 |
cnd | since I do most of my kernel builds on emerald.mills anyways | 13:31 |
cnd | well, all my builds really | 13:31 |
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smb | cnd, How can one be so tight on space. I hardly was able to by a laptop hardrive below 250G nowadays. :-P | 13:32 |
smb | cnd, But as said. You can edit /etc/schroot/schroot.conf and remove the lucid entry | 13:32 |
smb | and then just remove the directory where you installed the chroot | 13:33 |
pmatulis | are there recent kernels (PPA) i can try on 8.04? there is "Using newer kernels on LTS releases" in LP but it says the project is "closed" | 13:33 |
smb | cnd, Just make double sure, that nothing has bind mounted /home somewhere in it | 13:33 |
cnd | smb: macbook has 120GB, ~80 is used by os x (which I don't really use anymore, but need to keep around), and I have the rest split between main partition and test partition | 13:33 |
cnd | smb: good call | 13:33 |
smb | pmatulis, I don't think so. | 13:34 |
ogasawara | manjo: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/507148 - will you be able to test the upstream patches? | 14:00 |
ubot3 | Malone bug 507148 in linux "[lucid] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500" [High,Confirmed] | 14:00 |
smb | manjo, Have you tested with the -17 kernel on that? | 14:03 |
Keybuk | so tempted to do a companion blog to cking's blog of awesome | 14:09 |
Keybuk | "system calls and C library functions you didn't know about" | 14:10 |
Keybuk | today I found statfs() | 14:10 |
cking | Keybuk, I only blog about obscure stuff so I can google search it later :-) | 14:10 |
Keybuk | cking: and as a result, your blog is one of the most useful ones in the known universe ;-) | 14:11 |
cking | you're too kind | 14:11 |
Keybuk | more particularly, I know this trick | 14:13 |
Keybuk | stat("/") => info | 14:13 |
Keybuk | stat("/dev") => dev_info | 14:13 |
Keybuk | if info.st_dev != dev_info.st_dev: | 14:13 |
Keybuk | then dev is mounted | 14:13 |
cnd | smb, so about that acpi patch that upstream isn't biting on, I still think it should go into lucid | 14:13 |
Keybuk | better trick, just statfs("/dev") :-) | 14:13 |
cnd | smb: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/47164/ | 14:13 |
smb | cnd, I think I remember the one about the warning level for those resource conflicts | 14:14 |
cnd | smb: yep | 14:14 |
smb | cnd, Hasn't mjg59 acked that sort of? No I guess just said it would be ok | 14:14 |
cnd | smb: right, he just seemed to agree in principle at the time | 14:15 |
cnd | but I'd be happy to have mjg59 ack it (wink wink) | 14:15 |
cnd | :) | 14:16 |
smb | cnd, If nothing happens, we might go and take it as a sauce patch for now. But I guess I will leave that to the time apw gets back | 14:16 |
cnd | smb: ok, just want to make sure it's not left until it becomes too late for inclusion | 14:17 |
smb | cnd, No its still clearly visible on our list | 14:17 |
cnd | I'm just new to the process, so I figure it's better to be safe than sorry | 14:18 |
cking | Keybuk, that's a trick worth documenting | 14:26 |
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cnd | amitk: what was your methodology for determining which power saving features to put into powersave-policy? | 14:42 |
cnd | I'm curious if there's anything else that didn't do much for you, but maybe works well for others? | 14:42 |
cnd | overall though, I'm not seeing a huge difference in power consumption with the extra policy scripts | 14:43 |
amitk | cnd: the first step was just to make laptop-model-tools redundant. There are a few more script in laptop mode tools that were very hacking and/or too intrusive | 14:46 |
amitk | s/hacking/hackish | 14:46 |
cnd | amitk: so we've basically taken everything from laptop-mode-tools that seems reasonable? | 14:46 |
amitk | cnd, yes IMO. I'll send you an email listing why I didn't pick the others. | 14:48 |
cnd | amitk: thanks | 14:48 |
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ogasawara | JFo: can you add bug 532374 and bug 548513 to our list for monday | 15:08 |
ubot3 | Malone bug 532374 in linux "Lenovo Thinkpads with Core i5 and i7 suspend/resume (with kernel oops) once then fail horribly on next suspend" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/532374 | 15:08 |
ubot3 | Malone bug 548513 in linux "Firewire disks not working under 10.04" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/548513 | 15:08 |
JFo | ogasawara, will do | 15:08 |
smb | cking, Isn't that your pet area nowadays? ^ | 15:09 |
JFo | ogasawara, done | 15:09 |
ogasawara | JFo: thanks. robbiew asked that we get them on our radar. | 15:09 |
JFo | no problem | 15:09 |
cking | smb, yes jerone asked me to eyeball that when I was on vacation. It's on my ever growing list | 15:10 |
JFo | and I just made the list huge | 15:11 |
JFo | Kernel Regression Bug Day schedule announced in e-mail | 15:11 |
smb | cking, I wonder whether we might be allowed to volunteer you to have a look after that | 15:11 |
cking | please do | 15:11 |
smb | JFo, ^ | 15:12 |
JFo | ok, for the bug call on Monday? | 15:12 |
pgraner | cnd: you want to save power? Turn of the bling, doing that on my netbook saved almost 2watts | 15:12 |
cnd | pgraner: bling? | 15:12 |
JFo | smb, that for the firewire one? | 15:12 |
pgraner | cnd: bling == compiz | 15:12 |
smb | JFo, If its on that list cking would have the best insight I think (no the i7) | 15:12 |
pgraner | cnd: putting the gpu into 2d mode makes a big difference | 15:13 |
cnd | pgraner: I have a feeling people would get upset if we started flipping compiz on and off every time you plug in and out of ac | 15:13 |
* cking notes that disabling video and ssh'ing in helps save power too :-) | 15:13 | |
pgraner | cnd: yea since now it tends to gather you desktops onto one | 15:13 |
pgraner | cking: you're so damn old school | 15:14 |
pgraner | cking: X for me is nothing more than a VT arranging utility | 15:14 |
cnd | pgraner: do you know how to disable compiz and 3d on demand? | 15:14 |
cking | pgraner, I'm happy with a serial console ;-) | 15:14 |
cnd | I'd like to try it personally just to see how effective it is | 15:14 |
pgraner | cnd: nope, talk to bryceh | 15:14 |
pgraner | cnd: or one of the desktop guys | 15:14 |
JFo | smb, ok | 15:15 |
cnd | compiz for netbook edition seems overkill if I can get 2W back | 15:15 |
cnd | since it only uses 10W right now anyways | 15:15 |
cking | http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/2009/11/improving-battery-life-on-hp-mini.html is my powersaving hack | 15:15 |
cnd | and it should help with flash | 15:15 |
cking | and also: http://smackerelofopinion.blogspot.com/2009/06/reducing-wifi-beacon-interval-to-save.html | 15:16 |
pgraner | cnd: if your running compiz you can use: metacity --replace & compiz --replace to switch between them | 15:20 |
pgraner | cnd: I'm supposing you want to test it in the scripts? | 15:21 |
cnd | pgraner: nope, just running metacity | 15:21 |
cnd | pgraner: no, just for personal usage | 15:21 |
cnd | and documenation | 15:21 |
pgraner | cnd: well thats how you switch inbetween them | 15:21 |
cnd | ok | 15:22 |
crimsun | amitk: / cnd: hmm, I see (using cnd's pm-utils-powersave-policy 0.4~powersave2) that powerdown is now enabled for all hda when on battery -- that annoying pop will return for non-IDT/Sigmatel codecs | 15:27 |
crimsun | that was the reason for the earlier check for the idt module | 15:27 |
cnd | crimsun: yeah, Keybuk mentioned it, and I forgot to remove the script in powersave2 | 15:27 |
crimsun | ah ,ok | 15:27 |
cnd | crimsun: unless there's some easy way to check for good codecs in the script? | 15:28 |
cnd | though in that case, it should just be on all the time | 15:28 |
crimsun | cnd: yes, in the original, I check for the existence of the module dir in /sys | 15:28 |
cnd | and besides, this is targetted at M, at which point the popping should be sorted out for all the codecs right? | 15:28 |
crimsun | sec, will pull the diff | 15:28 |
crimsun | cnd: ah, so it's not for Lucid? | 15:29 |
cnd | crimsun: no, it's too late for Lucid | 15:29 |
crimsun | ah, then that's no big deal :-) | 15:29 |
crimsun | cnd: yeah, just a simple [ -e $CODEC -a -w $PD ] currently (where $CODEC is /sys/module/snd_hda_codec_idt) | 15:31 |
cnd | crimsun: so in M, the popping will be fixed for all codecs? | 15:32 |
crimsun | cnd: kernel version-dependent, but yes | 15:33 |
cnd | crimsun: what do you mean? | 15:33 |
crimsun | cnd: well, there's the assumption that 2.6.32-2.6.34 won't be chosen | 15:34 |
cnd | crimsun: ok? | 15:35 |
crimsun | cnd: so with a sufficiently new kernel, then yes, those symptoms are fixed | 15:35 |
cnd | how new are we talking? .34 isn't out yet | 15:35 |
cnd | is there some patch waiting in the wings for the .35 merge window? | 15:36 |
crimsun | yes, I have updates for the conexant and realtek ones | 15:36 |
crimsun | there were a number of realtek ids added since 2.6.32 | 15:36 |
cnd | ok | 15:37 |
cnd | even if M is based on .34, we'd likely take a look at the patches anyways | 15:37 |
cnd | especially if it's just a matter of ids at that point | 15:37 |
crimsun | ok | 15:38 |
cnd | amitk: what about laptop_mode itself? | 15:40 |
cnd | doesn't laptop-mode-tools enable that? pm-powersave doesn't yet | 15:40 |
marga | Hi! I'm a Debian person (user, developer, etc), but I'm trying to help an Ubuntu user, that has a 32bit user space Ubuntu installation, with a 64bit processor. In Debian we have an -amd64 flavor, for 64 bits processors with the i386 userspace. By looking at the Ubuntu flavors for i386, the one that is 64bits -apparently- is -server... What is special about -server? Can it be used by a 64bit desktop? | 15:46 |
amitk | cnd: yeah, that should be enabled too | 15:49 |
cnd | amitk: I reread the spec, and laptop_mode shouldn't be enabled by default per Ted T'so due to interactions with ext4 | 16:07 |
cnd | so we look good there | 16:07 |
cnd | amitk: thanks for the writeup! | 16:18 |
cnd | helps explain many questions I had | 16:18 |
nosse1 | Hi. I'm trying to build a kernel for an ARM target. Where can I find a "standard" set of kernel config which represents what ubuntu requires from the kernel? | 16:31 |
manjo | ogasawara, on https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/507148 building and testing the kernel on jdstrand's laptop | 16:40 |
ubot3 | Malone bug 507148 in linux "[lucid] desktop runs out of video memory on ATI Radeon Mobility 7500" [High,Confirmed] | 16:40 |
ogasawara | manjo: cool, thanks | 16:40 |
manjo | ogasawara, was busy with several audio bugs ... so results will be after lunch ... | 16:40 |
ogasawara | manjo: k thanks, just mainly wanted to know the status for the release meeting | 16:41 |
manjo | ogasawara, ah ok... | 16:41 |
crimsun | manjo: for #548371, your Mic Boosts are still set at zero | 16:53 |
crimsun | (...unless you're just pasting outdated alsa-info output?) | 16:53 |
manjo | crimsun, no the last one I posted was with ubuntu audio dev ppa | 16:54 |
crimsun | manjo: I mean that you're running the script when the capture is not occurring | 16:55 |
crimsun | same for #528719, BTW | 16:55 |
manjo | hmmm so what is that amixer option to boost it ? | 16:57 |
manjo | crimsun, ^ ? | 16:57 |
crimsun | manjo: (sorry, I'm at a conference currently) for which bug? | 17:11 |
manjo | should I do amixer set 'Capture',1 cap | 17:12 |
crimsun | manjo: for #528719, it's amixer set 'Mic Boost' 100%,100% | 17:12 |
manjo | ok | 17:13 |
crimsun | similar for #548371 but you also need 'Front Mic Boost' | 17:13 |
manjo | crimsun, after the boost I still get white noise | 17:17 |
manjo | crimsun, I hear my voice very very faintly. | 17:17 |
crimsun | manjo: for which hw? | 17:19 |
manjo | acer | 17:19 |
manjo | #528719 | 17:19 |
manjo | crimsun, on the aspire1 | 17:22 |
manjo | Simple mixer control 'Mic Boost',0 | 17:22 |
manjo | Capabilities: volume penum | 17:22 |
manjo | Playback channels: Front Left - Front Right | 17:22 |
manjo | Capture channels: Front Left - Front Right | 17:22 |
manjo | Limits: 0 - 3 | 17:22 |
manjo | Front Left: 3 [100%] | 17:22 |
manjo | Front Right: 0 [0%] | 17:22 |
manjo | how do I boost Front Right: 0 [0%] to 100% ? | 17:22 |
crimsun | manjo: err, did you use the syntax above? | 17:22 |
manjo | yes | 17:23 |
crimsun | huh. Well, just 100% | 17:23 |
manjo | ok that made both 100% | 17:24 |
crimsun | bah, bug in amixer :-( | 17:24 |
manjo | ok tried after setting that.... and again .. white noise with faint recording of the sound | 17:25 |
manjo | crimsun, btw the bug is only when using external mic, and does not occur with built in mic | 17:26 |
manjo | crimsun, I have used 2 diff mics to make sure its not the mic hw | 17:26 |
crimsun | manjo: ok, please update the bug reports, respectively. I'm having a difficult time tracking irc and conference simultaneously, sorry | 17:28 |
manjo | crimsun, no problem! will update | 17:28 |
crimsun | I should have a free stretch in two hours | 17:28 |
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cnd | bryceh: I'm looking at bug 544741 | 21:19 |
ubot3 | Malone bug 544741 in linux "[X700] KMS, amd64: Kernel panic while trying to launch system > preferences > appearance" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/544741 | 21:19 |
cnd | I saw your email about edid quirks | 21:19 |
cnd | actually, let me read the email once again, and I'll get back to you | 21:20 |
mozmck | How do I create a new flavour of the lucid kernel? | 22:55 |
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