[01:40] <Takyoji> Ooo http://linux.slashdot.org/story/10/03/25/2350236/Can-Ubuntu-Save-Online-Banking
[01:58] <Takyoji> It would be quite nice if there was a default RSS client other than Firefox in Ubuntu
[01:58] <Takyoji> Such as if Evolution had the RSS plugin by default
[01:58] <Takyoji> and had a way to add a feed to Evolution from browsing in Firefox
[02:09] <netbook> I have been meaning to use google reader for that sort of thing
[03:30] <tonyyarusso> I've been using liferea myself.
[04:08] <Takyoji> What would be a decent minimalistic email client?
[04:10] <tonyyarusso> Define minimalistic.
[04:11] <Takyoji> Just having the basic email features. I guess pretty much anything not Evolution
[04:11] <Takyoji> Just thinking on choosing a simpler email client for my mother; for speed, and for least space consumption
[04:12] <Takyoji> (visual space consumption by the way; not storage)
[04:14] <Takyoji> Mainly more about less buttons, so there's more viewing area. She needs larger text overall, thus leaving less visible space for the message itself.
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> okay, let me be more specific:
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> GUI or cli?
[04:15] <Takyoji> GUI
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> Claws.
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> It pretty much rocks.
[04:15] <tonyyarusso> Thunderbird is pretty nice too - personal preference probably.
[04:16] <Takyoji> It's somewhat disturbing that she has a POP3 email account, bleh.
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[04:17] <tonyyarusso> Create GMail account.  Set it up to import from her POP3 account.  Use GMail through IMAP.  Done.
[04:18] <Takyoji> With IMAP, isn't there a minor specification of the protocol whereas the client can have a persistent connection and get notified on the instant the mailserver recieves a message (for the account)?
[04:18] <Takyoji> True, I guess that would be a sane approach.
[04:18] <Takyoji> I was thinking of Gmail, but forgot about the idea of having Gmail grab from the POP3 account as well
[04:19] <Takyoji> and Liferea is quite useful
[04:19] <Takyoji> Just installed it
[04:19] <_diablo> can't handle non-shared reader
[04:19] <_diablo> need google
[04:20] <Takyoji> I pretty much live at my desktop
[04:20] <tonyyarusso> I like desktop apps, but also need portability.  I've been looking at sharing config directories over the network.
[04:30] <Takyoji> I guess Thunderbird may actually be ideal
[04:30] <Takyoji> In terms of the additional RSS/Atom functionality
[04:34] <Takyoji> I wonder when Empathy or Pidgin will ever seem to be stable and functional; especially for IRC for example
[04:34] <Takyoji> And yes, I do use XChat for IRC
[04:34] <Takyoji> (because of not being able to do such horrendously basic IRC commands; that I could probably even implement)
[04:35] <Takyoji> if only I were quite fluent with C/C++ and the accommodating development styles.
[04:41] <Takyoji> It seems that every time my package manager checks all the repositories; it stalls for like a minute on the last one.
[04:44] <tonyyarusso> That's because the last one is universe, which is HUGE.
[04:50] <h00k> The Universe is Huge, you're right!
[04:52] <tonyyarusso> and expanding!
[04:59] <h00k> it's true! and slashdot said that 90% of it was right infront of us the whole time, we just missed it!
[05:00] <h00k> as seen here: http://science.slashdot.org/story/10/03/25/200209/90-of-the-Universe-Found-Hiding-In-Plain-View
[05:11] <Takyoji> Has it been determined yet of the actual installfest day at TIES?
[05:12] <Takyoji> Because it still says the 24th
[05:12] <Takyoji> Ahh, so it's intended to be the 1st of May
[05:13] <Takyoji> It hasn't been changed on this page yet: http://penguinsunbound.com/Future_Meetings
[05:15]  * Takyoji debates over the idea of converting thousands of mp3 files to Ogg Vorbis
[05:17] <Takyoji> The only holdback is file format confusion for the general users.
[05:47] <Takyoji> Is GNOME 3 intended for implementation in 10.10?
[05:49] <_diablo> Takyoji: I assume so.
[05:57] <tonyyarusso> yes
[06:04] <tonyyarusso> People building web pages in Microsoft Office makes me cry.
[15:41] <_diablo> Takyoji: also, for ogg vorbis, the conversion process makes you lose a bit of quality
[15:41] <_diablo> Takyoji: but I'm still doing it :)
[15:41] <tonyyarusso> as I understand it though, it's a VERY tiny bit.
[15:42] <_diablo> exactly
[15:42] <_diablo> fwiw, I'm doing it right now
[15:42] <_diablo> It's a loooooong project
[15:42] <_diablo> especially if you have mixed file formats e.g. not all mp3 but with a few aac and a few wma mixed in
[15:43] <tonyyarusso> long running sure, but you don't have to actually be there.  Type command, walk away.
[15:55] <_diablo> tonyyarusso: mp32ogg doesn't deal well with aac and wma files though :-/
[15:55] <_diablo> and soundconverter gets pissed and crashes if you do more than 10 or 15 at once
[15:56] <_diablo> any other suggestions? :)
[16:11] <tonyyarusso> find -exec soundconverter?
[16:11]  * tonyyarusso is trying to figure out how to control boinc from the command line
[16:21] <_diablo> good tip. :) I'll check up on 'dat
[16:21] <_diablo> are you heading to the browser thing tomorrow?
[16:26] <tonyyarusso> No, I have a thing.
[16:31] <_diablo> tonyyarusso: I hate things.
[18:13] <ripps> Anybody got any particular packages they want me to look at?
[18:48] <_diablo> ripps: as in... approval or what?
[18:49] <ripps> _diablo: no, I'm just helping Jammers with any packaging help today, and I was hoping someone could point me toward some problem packages they need help with. I'm not an offical MOTU... yet.
[18:49] <Obsidian1723> MOTU?
[18:50] <_diablo> ahhhh
[18:50] <_diablo> master of the universe
[18:50] <ripps> Obsidian1723: Masters Of The Universe, they maintain the Universe/Multiverse repositorys
[18:51] <Leaf> and the secrets of castle greyskull  ;-p
[18:52] <_diablo> :)
[18:53] <ripps> I have the Power!
[18:55] <Obsidian1723> Well, The Universe only exists in this realm :)
[19:13] <kermit> Obsidian1723: are you obsidian73 on LORD?
[19:14] <Obsidian1723> LORD?
[19:15] <kermit> Obsidian1723: a game
[19:15] <Obsidian1723> Never heard of it. I don't game, so nope, not I.
[19:17] <kermit> i havent gamed in years, someone in here was talking about BBSes though so i got nostalgic.
[19:19] <Obsidian1723> aye. I ran one of those years ago. Many havent a clue about BBSes anymore or the community that they were both on line and off.
[19:19] <Obsidian1723> I used to run a TeleFindS on a Mac.
[19:19] <Obsidian1723> TeleFinder
[19:19] <kermit> i still havent recovered from the loss of BBSes
[19:19] <h00k> ripps: Do you need any advice on MOTU stuffs?
[19:20] <h00k> ripps: Amaranth is an MOTU
[19:20] <kermit> i used to meet intelligent people locally via BBSes, now all i meet are alcoholics and drug addicts via music events.
[19:20] <Obsidian1723> Ah, yeah, I miss B BSes too. ah the screech of a 9600baud or a 14.4k
[19:20] <Obsidian1723> yeah
[19:20] <Obsidian1723> back when I started, script kiddies and a lot of the lame (dare I say ALL of it?) did not exist.
[19:21] <Obsidian1723> That was the 70s though.
[19:21] <ripps> h00k: I've spoke with MOTU's before, the biggest barrier for me becoming a MOTU is that I haven't made enough direct contributions to Linux, most of my stuff is through PPA's and niche projects.
[19:21] <ripps> s/Linux/Ubuntu/
[19:21] <kermit> Obsidian1723: wow, did you use punch cards??
[19:21] <Obsidian1723> Whats the big deal about the MOTU label? Does it pay money or something?
[19:22] <Obsidian1723> Kermit, I started out in 1978.. yeah, punch card stuff. Eventually used rotary phones, acoustic couplersw, 110 baud modems, and Apple 2c/es.
[19:23] <h00k> Obsidian1723: More information can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU
[19:23] <h00k> MOTU contributors are the people who are interested in contributing to Ubuntu and are learning how to package and work in the Ubuntu development community.
[19:24] <Obsidian1723> ah. It just seems like some big deal or something???
[19:24] <Obsidian1723> I mean if people want to code and package, cool...but ya don't need some fancy label.title for that.
[19:25] <Obsidian1723> I write books, cool. I dont call myself anything like some Grand Poobah of The Written Word of the Gods
[19:25] <h00k> Obsidian1723: They keep Universe and Multiverse in shape
[19:26] <Obsidian1723> hook, cool. It's just titles, degrees, labels, turn me off. I have all of the afore mentioned, big deal though.
[19:26] <Obsidian1723> It just seems so puff-out-my-chest-and-look-at-ME for some sdelf-validation or something, that's all.
[19:26] <Obsidian1723> just my take I guess.
[19:26] <ripps> Obsidian1723: It's not a big deal, but the title of MOTU comes with some perks, mainly access to uploading to Ubuntu repos, Ubuntu Membership. Not to mention a good deal of cred in the community. Since Ubuntu is a meritocracy, having cred is a good way to get your ideas and fixes into Ubuntu.
[19:27] <Obsidian1723> If people code, cool. Code. Regardless of some fancypants title.
[19:27] <Obsidian1723> ripps, I can see that, but it seems more ego-driven than money-driven, which is the exact oppisite of closed-source stuff like Windows.
[19:28] <Obsidian1723> Not trying to piss on anyone's parade.
[19:28] <h00k> Obsidian1723: I'm not sure you understand that it's purpose is to add software to the Universe repository and not parade around with a name badge.
[19:28] <h00k> It's to speed up maintaining software for Ubuntu as a whole
[19:29] <Obsidian1723> hook, I get it, but why the need for the fancy title? Why not just call them "Code Managers" vs "Master of the Universe" ..surley you can see how pomopus it sounds?
[19:29] <h00k> Obsidian1723: anyone can make a package, sure. But not everyone can help maintain the Universe repository
[19:30] <Obsidian1723> So it's an ego thing...if that's someone's ticket, cool for them, but I guess I'm not impressed by iut or think that code that makes it in is any better than code that does not, both may be equal, better, worse...
[19:30] <Obsidian1723> In the end, it's 1s and 0s.
[19:31] <Obsidian1723> All the same.
[19:31] <Obsidian1723> whateva tho.
[19:31] <ripps> Obsidian1723: so you don't want any of your code in Ubuntu, that's fine I suppose, Ubuntu supplies PPA's, but most people arent' gonna be aware of it.
[19:31] <h00k> It's also to make sure code compiles and acts properly from Debian -> Ubuntu
[19:32] <Obsidian1723> ripps, I dont code :D
[19:32] <Obsidian1723> hook, true, but people dont need fancy titles for that, do they?
[19:32] <Obsidian1723> cause if so, then I need a fancy title for IRc. I must be called Grand Poobah and  Master of IRC./
[19:33] <Obsidian1723> blah
[19:33] <ripps> heh, yeah, most of a MOTU's work isn't actually making/uploading packages, but fixing problems with packages that are caused by the differences between Debian and Ubuntu. And trust me, there are alot of them at times
[19:33] <h00k> To work with Official Ubuntu Universe Repositories, yes.  Not just any joe-blow can throw whatever code into the repository.
[19:33] <Obsidian1723> hook, true, and that is probably a good thing to be sure.
[19:33] <Obsidian1723> Im just not ab out the pomopus title is all.
[19:33] <h00k> then don't become one.
[19:34] <h00k> ripps: I fully support your endeavors!
[19:34] <h00k> title or not
[19:34] <kermit> i can has the power?
[19:35] <Obsidian1723> hook, yeah not my bag to code...
[19:35] <Obsidian1723> I have all sorts of fancy shmaNCY STUFF i COULD USE TO MY NAME, BUT DON'T. jUST NOT INTO THAT STUFF, ACOLAIDS, TITLES, DEGREES, CERTS, ETC ETC LABELS.
[19:35] <Obsidian1723> caps, sorry, not meant
[21:22] <Takyoji> I wonder when GEGL will ever be done
[21:34] <Takyoji> I wonder how long it will be until Dell offers netbooks with 10.04 pre-installed.
[21:35] <Leaf> End of September-2010 :-)
[21:50] <Takyoji> Is it me, or does PiTiVi not even have transitions? :P