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mkarnickibueno: hahah, so I'm a bit like you. it's 3AM at your place, right? and you're still at your computer00:00
mkarnickiwait.. UTC is not the same as GMT =_=00:00
mkarnickibut Argentina is now sufficient :D sorry *embarrased*00:00
beunoso it's 9pm here atm00:01
mkarnickibueno: yes :) sorry, i misread that UTC for gmt00:02
* jamestait is a late night hacker.00:03
jamestaitJust gone midnight here.00:03
mkarnickisamestait: how did you do that? that description?00:03
mkarnickijamestait (sry)00:03
jamestaitPrefix with /me, e.g. /me will be going to bed soon.00:04
mkarnickii was wondering how ppl do those descriptions :) (like you did right now, jamestait )00:04
mkarnickiaaa cool thanks ^o^00:04
* mkarnicki is a late night geek00:04
* jamestait is a 24x7 geek. ;)00:05
* mkarnicki *laughts*00:05
mkarnickicrap00:05
* mkarnicki *laughs*00:05
jamestaitBut I do my best hacking at night.  I spend too much of my day job doing stuff I hate.00:05
mkarnickiok.. enough of my dirt in here for today :) (i mean yesterday)00:06
mkarnickibefore I go: what do you do at daytime jamestait?00:06
mkarnickicurrently i'm a student, and spend pretty much time at the institute /or leading programming trainings for other students/00:06
jamestaitI'm a Java web developer for a subsidiary of a large Aero engine company. :)00:07
mkarnickisounds cool, but i can imagine java might be boring at some point..00:07
jamestaitI'm lead developer on their customer-facing civil aero portal.00:07
* mkarnicki is impressed00:07
jamestaitBringing in ~ $10m a week for the company.00:08
mkarnickiO__o whooa00:08
jamestaitThe Java bit is the fun bit - it's all the project management paperwork and red tape I have to deal with on a daily basis.00:09
* mkarnicki is sad 00:09
mkarnickii see.. now i get it.00:09
jamestaitOccasionally I get to do some Python hacking too.00:09
mkarnickinot so long ago it occured to me that python is 'the choice' of ubuntu00:10
mkarnickii code in c/c++/java (and web-langs such as php, asp, jquery etc) but i plan to take on python due to interest in ubuntu development00:10
jamestaitBut mostly, I spend my time testing other people's work - which can be fun - or in MS Excel or MS Word writing reports, invoices and such-like - which is not fun at all.00:11
mkarnickifor long i've been wishing to contribute. i missed the recent devs week, but i'm reading the irc logs :)00:11
mkarnickii see00:12
jamestaitI picked up Python for the same reason.00:12
mkarnickiat first, it seems strange to use indentation as means of blocks of code00:12
mkarnickibut there must have been a reason.. (cleaner code? maybe..)00:12
jamestaitAnd now my contributions to Ubuntu have been in C and JavaScript so far!00:13
mkarnickieven javascript? how come? :)00:13
jamestaithttps://launchpad.net/hedera00:14
* mkarnicki looks at the webpage00:14
jamestaitActually it's not right to call that a contribution to Ubuntu yet. :)00:14
jamestaitIt will be, hopefully.  When I get it working I'll bug beuno until he sponsors it. :-P00:15
mkarnickiaa, good idea :) !00:15
* mkarnicki laughs00:15
mkarnickii'm already overusing /me o_O sorry00:15
beunoI will make it happen00:15
jamestaitbeuno: But I need to make it happen first. :)00:16
jamestaitSome major refactoring work being sketched out at the moment.00:16
jamestaitMan, I love whiteboards.00:16
mkarnickiI have to get one for myself ;_;00:17
mkarnickiI'll be buggin you guys for the next few days with Ubuntu One for Android idea. I hope that i'll be able to find a sponsor for gsoc, on ubuntu one team.00:18
beunojamestait, exactly00:18
beunoand on that note00:18
beunoI'm calling it a day00:18
mkarnickiIn the meantime, I'll be collecting ideas , i'm going to have some sleep now :)00:18
jamestaitThanks for your help again beuno.00:18
mkarnickibueno: thanks for the talk00:18
beunojamestait, mkarnicki, it was a pleasure00:19
beunosee you guys around!00:19
mkarnickihave a good day/night guys :)00:19
jamestaitG'night.00:19
mkarnickibye beuno, jamestait00:19
mkarnickibeuno00:19
mkarnickisorry for mispelling your nick/name00:19
* mkarnicki made epic fail00:20
mkarnickitalk to you soon, bye00:20
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olymorning, i wonder if some developer could help me out with some info about ubuntu one08:26
olyI compiled a few packages for ubuntuone on arm last night, when i went to install them i saw the dependecy list08:27
olydo i really need gnome-desktop to install ubuntu-one do i need gtk at all ??08:27
olywhat is actually required for ubuntu-one to run, so i can modify the control file08:28
olyI know my phone has some gtk libraries available, but it uses something called hildon desktop08:33
PaulGitvds: ping09:23
PaulGitI created bug for duplicate contacts from last night's testing https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-servers/+bug/548657 - give me a shout if you need me to do any more tests or checks :)10:03
ubottuUbuntu bug 548657 in ubuntuone-servers "SYNCML: duplicate contacts when syncing with Thunderbird and iPhone Funambol Clients" [Undecided,New]10:03
vdsPaulGit: pong11:02
PaulGitvds: Morning, just wanted to let you know I reported the duplicate bug and will be available to do any further tests if you get a chance to look into it today.11:02
vdsPaulGit: thanks a lot11:03
vdsI'll take a look at it asap11:03
* mkarnicki attends AI class11:04
popeyooooo11:08
* popey notes music has downloaded and I'm behind a proxy11:09
popeythis is new11:09
popeydoes ubuntuone-preferences have any kind of debug options?11:18
sceironis it possible to run the music store in karmic?11:46
olysceiron, i would do a search for the rhythmbox ubuntuone music store plugin ppa11:58
olyyou may also need a rhythmbox ppa11:58
olyis you can find these then i would think it could work11:58
olyelse you will probably have to compile to update relevant libraries11:59
olyi have not tried this myself though as i am using lucid11:59
aquariussceiron, it's not possible, I'm afraid. The music store relies on some new features in Ubuntu One which only became available in Lucid.12:10
sceironhm, alright, i just found the ppa now. But i suppose its useless then......12:11
olycould you not use the updated ubuntu one ppa as well ?12:11
aquariusI'm not sure if the stuff's been backported.12:12
aquariusYou can give it a try!12:12
aquariusif it works, I'd be interested in hearing that :)12:12
olythe ppa i am using on this machine karmic seems the same as the one in lucid but thats a non scientific observation :p12:13
olybut the command line parameters are the same12:13
urbanapehrm. I've seriously borked my U1 install. I've tried resetting everything according to the uninstall/reinstall FAQ we have, but my U1 folder is not getting synced. I've got a UDF that is, though. Did I miss a memo?12:31
Chipacaurbanape: if your UDF is getting synced, your U1 folder is getting synced12:35
urbanapeall the files in that folder have a twin arrow badge with an exclamation point over it.12:40
urbanapealso, my syncdaemon keeps dying. Upgrading some packages, we'll see...12:40
sceironit looks like a bad year of dependencies.... having problems with the motivation12:41
ryebeuno, question - the letter-bucket view is great, are there any chances that only the letters that have at least one contact will be shown - that would save a lot of space12:54
ryebeuno, second thing - bug #54075512:54
urbanapeWell, they're shown but not linked. We could eliminate them12:54
ubottuLaunchpad bug 540755 in ubuntuone-servers "Contacts UI fail to work properly with non-ASCII names" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54075512:54
beunorye, I thought about it, but it felt odd12:54
beunowe could make them smaller12:54
urbanapeBut that seems wrong12:54
urbanapewhat beuno said12:54
ryeurbanape, I can not click on the letter and create a contact for that, so why would I need to scroll to '0' entry if I have no latin-1 contacts12:55
ryeurbanape, actually I am mixing one wishlist item and one bug report now :)12:55
urbanapethat's actually an interesting idea12:56
urbanapemake the empty buckets a link to new contact.12:56
rye:-D, not what I meant!!!12:56
urbanapebut that would need explanatory text, and that would be awkward.12:56
ryeurbanape, yep yep yep - that would be awkward, so If I have only Z contacts then I should not need to scroll all A-Z items. Heh, some users would not have A-Z contacts at all and we still reserve the place for them12:57
urbanapenoted.12:58
urbanapeit would be a simple change to the template, I suppose.12:58
ryeurbanape, should I file a bug regarding this?12:59
beunowe could solve that with the ajaxification, urbanape12:59
beunoalways have it load on the first letter with contacts12:59
urbanapeanyone know if couch does Unicode collation? Or if there's an easy Javascript implementation thereof? It would make it nicer to actually limit to '0' bucket those contacts whose "first letter" are actually numerals.12:59
beunoalready scrolled12:59
urbanapebeuno, we already have it load the first bucket with contacts, just not scrolled.13:00
beunoah, that's right13:00
beunoso it's just focusing13:00
* mkarnicki gets bored on english class13:02
ryebeuno, at the moment I have all my my contacts storred in cyrrillic, there is no need for A-Z at all except of "Test Record" :) And I believe the complete A-Z is ok for paper addressbook but not for online one13:02
aquariusurbanape, the collation algorithm is deliberately undocumented, but it's basically ICU, so unicode should be fine, yeah13:02
urbanapeaquarius, Just wondering because we lump in all non-ASCII "first letters" into 013:03
urbanapealong with numerals.13:03
urbanapeand the collation isn't the real hard part, I guess. It's more "okay, show me all the records that start with ~'a'"13:03
aquariusstartkey and endkey on the view will do that13:05
beunorye, so the A-Z is a way to paginate13:05
beunootherwise we load all the contacts13:05
beunoor paginate arbitrarily13:05
ryebeuno, if A-Z is used then someone might say that they want А-Я as well :)13:06
ryehere's how Zyb did that...13:07
aquariuscan't you just do one row for each beginning letter?13:08
aquariusthen it'll work for cyrillic too.13:08
urbanapeMaybe, and if we did that, we could ditch the whole static table of contents13:08
urbanapeI like that.13:09
urbanapeWe already have the view that makes those buckets.13:09
ryeurbanape, http://www.ubuntu-pics.de/bild/49003/zyb_letterbuckets_0lG8lL.png13:09
urbanapesee? aquarius should have been working on this in stead of the silly music store.13:09
ryeurbanape, but that list is ascii-only. I haven't used cyrillic contacts until I got to U1 sync :)13:09
ryeurbanape, see that not all a-z letters are present; /me likes that you like that :)13:10
beunowell, the idea is that the default view is ajaxy, and loads as you scroll13:10
beunoso it may become a non-issue?13:10
urbanaperye, I like that layout, and I like the idea of only building a TOC based on actual "first letters"13:10
rye^_^13:11
ryeurbanape, should I file a bug for this?13:11
ryeso that it can be tracked13:11
urbanapeso long as the Couch's startKey and endKey will lump unicode characters in buckets that make sense, I'm okay with it.13:11
beunorye, do you prefer ordering by first or last name?13:11
urbanapemaybe, let's think a bit more on it.13:11
ryebeuno, I prefer ordering by first name, but lots of people around use last name for ordering... That would be extremely great if that could be configurable though...13:13
beunoI'm torn on this one13:13
urbanapeso, in the case of someone who has lots of international contacts, is Åronson, Arne gonna get lumped in with 'A' or in its own bucket: Å?13:13
beunomy phone orders byfirst name13:13
ryebeuno, there's even a bug for that13:13
urbanapeI don't know if we need a proliferation of buckets, each with one contact, that doesn't help anyone, I don't think.13:13
urbanapebut those collations are often dependent on the language, and when you've got different contacts from different languages, I'm not sure there's an objective collation algorithm that applies to all.13:14
beuno*someone* must of have to solve this already13:14
beunosomeone in open source, that is  :)13:15
ryeurbanape, well, Е (ye) and Ё (yo) are two different characters and they are pronounced differently, sending them to a single bucket is not that great13:16
* rye believes that we are using unicode here :)13:16
urbanapeI'd like to do the right thing, especially since we're a global product.13:17
urbanapeI don't know enough about the Unicode collation stuff, though. I just know it exists.13:17
urbanapeI'm certain that the languages where the diacriticals are just for inflection (French, Spanish), the records would be lumped in with the unmarked letter, but in other languages, where there's only a passing similarity, they'd get their own.13:18
urbanapebeuno, I agree: This should be a solved problem.13:19
urbanapeI've just been pretty safely ensconced in my ASCII-only world for long enough not to run into it, really.13:19
beunourbanape, the internet gave me this: http://bytes.com/topic/python/answers/526344-unicode-table-character-implementation-python13:19
urbanapeThe internet is so generous.13:21
cndis there any way to monitor the sync process for u1?13:56
cndlike, to see what it's transferring and how long until completion of syncing?13:57
ryecnd, what distributive, Lucid or Karmic?13:58
cndrye: lucid13:58
ryecnd, for now only u1sdtool --waiting-meta / u1sdtool --waiting-content will show the queues - these are command line apps13:59
ryeapp13:59
cndrye: cmdline is cool with me :)13:59
ryeupon first registration to UbuntuOne on Lucid a window with 'Error' title appears for quite a short time. My VM does not appear to be able to render the text within so I have no idea why that appears14:00
ryeanybody from desktop+ team knows why that is so?14:00
ryeadditionally, desktopcouch pairing does not start desktopcouch-service (reason is described in #519028)14:02
ryeubottu, bug #51902814:02
ubottuLaunchpad bug 519028 in desktopcouch "desktopcouch replication and org.desktopcouch.CouchDB.service are NOT started on desktopcouch.records calls" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51902814:02
ryeso that's why contacts are not synchronized immediately after ubuntuone pairs local couchdb14:03
ryehmm... Does not look OK to me14:03
ryedobey, ^, is it possible for ubuntuone-login to perform an extra dbus call to desktopcouch service until the bug is fixed... btw, thisfred - was that really fixed for Lucid?14:04
thisfredrye no idea, desktopcouch and dbus are chad (and aquarius)14:05
ryethisfred, sorry, I keep forgetting (creating the note for that now)14:05
dobeyno idea what you're asking about14:05
aquariusrye, chad's working on that as we speak -- he's been having problems making it happen.14:06
ryeaquarius, ah, so that would be fixed for Lucid14:06
thisfredrye: it's ok, I do know some things about d-c, so feel free to ask me when unsure or no one else is there, but this I really haven't the faintest idea about (and considering the reports I hear about d-bus, I'd like to keep it that way ;)14:06
aquariusrye, well, that's what he's trying to do, yes :)14:06
ryedobey, ok, false alarm :), sorry.14:07
* mkarnicki is back14:17
mkarnickihi guys! :)14:17
mkarnickihopefully at this time i'll be able to catch some attention ^ ^14:18
mkarnickibeuno: hi beuno! sorry for misspelling your nick/name yesterday =_=14:18
beunomkarnicki, everyone has been misspelling it for years, I don't take it personal14:18
beunoespecially from people who help with testing  ;)14:19
mkarnickiall: who owns an Android powered device :) ??14:19
mkarnickibueno: i see. to bad..14:19
ryeduanedesign, the same /etc/hosts works perfect on karmic14:22
ryeduanedesign, with desktopcouch14:22
mkarnickii'm striving for some feedback from ubuntu one team here :)14:22
mkarnickion ideas concerning ubuntu one app for android14:23
beunoaquarius, ^14:23
aquariusI do14:23
mkarnickii have a few already, but i thought you guys could come up with yours, too :)14:23
joshuahoover1mkarnicki: i believe statik does as well...not sure who else here does14:23
mkarnickihi joshua14:24
mkarnickiaquarius: that 'i do' was about having an android powered device :)?14:24
mkarnickii'd guess that at least a few developers have android :)14:25
mkarnickii've tested beunos app yesterday, syncing concatcs with ubuntu one. it went well14:25
aquariusmkarnicki, it was, yes :)14:25
mkarnickiaquarius: would you like to have U1 client for it? :)14:26
mkarnickiaquarius: if so, any feature requests :)?14:26
aquariusmkarnicki, I would, yes, lots.14:26
mkarnickisyncing files, manual syncing, sharing to ubuntu one, etc are the natural way to go14:26
mkarnickiaquarius: great :) that's a good start14:27
DjuiceTownAre there any plans to support more than 50GB data?14:29
joshuahoover1DjuiceTown: not currently but possibly in the future14:34
DjuiceTownOke. That's a pity.14:36
duanedesignrye: thanks for letting me know. I was very curious about that14:39
ryeduanedesign, do you happen to be able to give me the bug number for that? I seem to have lost it14:39
duanedesignyep14:39
duanedesignrye: bug   53054114:41
ubottuLaunchpad bug 530541 in desktopcouch "desktopcouch-service crashed with RuntimeError in run_couchdb()" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53054114:41
ryeduanedesign, thanks!14:50
Ata2hello folks15:14
Ata2is there any reason ubuntu one fails to synchronise in lucid?15:15
* mkarnicki is excited!15:17
Ata2?15:18
mkarnickiall: if anyone of you would like to see some particular functionality on Ubuntu One android app, please message me any time :) i'll get back to you asap15:19
dobeyAta2: is it connected?15:22
olymkarnicki, android app ?15:53
olyis it likely to work on maemo as well ?15:53
dobeyno16:07
nhainesmkarnicki: tomboy notes and contact integration would be pretty lovely. ;)16:07
dobeynot very likely that it would work on both :)16:07
nhainesmkarnicki: I'd also like to help test it, too, if you need volunteers!16:08
nhainesHmm, and U1MS syncing is probably too much to ask, but wow would that be awesome.16:09
maciej_Welcome everyone. I have a problem. I can't add my computer to ubuntu one. I can export or import files to the virtual disc by a browser, but I can't connect by clicking the cloud icon. Do you have any idea how to solve problem?17:26
duanedesignrye: good job on your work with the couchdb bug. was just reading over the new comments18:22
ryeduanedesign, there's definitely something wrong with couchdb in this regards18:33
ryethough my tests with emulated environment did not show that it breaks in LiveCD. Since LiveCD is pretty much in memory after it all started18:34
ryeduanedesign, one more, do you experience bug #548611 ?18:37
ubottuLaunchpad bug 548611 in evolution-couchdb "Evolution Data Server consumes 100% CPU if desktopcouch was autostarted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54861118:37
ryefacundobatista, awesome handling of #368626, I really like that!18:39
ryeubottu, bug #36862618:39
ubottuLaunchpad bug 368626 in ubuntuone-client "We should support utf8-invalid filenames" [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/36862618:39
duanedesignrye: yes, when couch wasnt starting because of the bug associatted with my /etc/hosts i would get EDS consuming a lot of the cpu18:44
ryewow, mc-tool - cmdline application to access telepathy mission-control18:44
ryeduanedesign, are you available for 5 minute test right  now?18:44
ryeit looks like rodrigo is unable to reproduce the bug, but it just appears here and there and if left as is it can get into Lucid, and I don't really like this18:45
duanedesignyes just give me < 1 minute for a build to finish18:47
duanedesignrye: ok18:49
ryeduanedesign, basically we need to shut down evolution, couchdb, desktopcouch-service and then start evolution18:49
rye1.18:49
ryeevolution --force-shutdown18:50
rye2. /usr/lib/desktopcouch/desktopcouch-stop18:50
rye3. killall desktopcouch-service18:50
ryenothing couch should be running now - ps auxw | grep [c]ouch18:51
ryeduanedesign, ^18:51
duanedesignrye: kk18:52
duanedesignduanedesign: ok it elevated the cpu usage.18:58
duanedesignha18:58
duanedesigntalking to myself18:58
duanedesignrye: ^^18:58
ryeduanedesign, great, could you please take a picture of the sound? I.e. to make sure you see something wrong in top?18:59
duanedesignrye: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4055/4465527892_56527d3eea_b.jpg19:14
ryeduanedesign, ok, i believe you are unable to browse the contacts in couchdb, right?19:15
duanedesignrye: that is correct19:17
ryeduanedesign, now try to evolution --force-shutdown again and the start it, does Ubuntu One CouchDB work?19:17
duanedesigni notice that you have to go to the contacts to trigger the bug. (figured you might already know this, but to be safe I thought i'd mention it)19:20
duanedesignrye: yes after the --force-shutdown of evolution while its exhibiting the bug I can then launch Evolution and it works correctly19:22
ryeduanedesign, great!19:22
ryemay I ask you to set Confirmed on bug #548611 ? So that it does not look like I am the only one experiencing that via the same STR :)19:23
ubottuLaunchpad bug 548611 in evolution-couchdb "Evolution Data Server consumes 100% CPU if desktopcouch was autostarted" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/54861119:23
duanedesignkk19:24
duanedesignI want to start collecting projects for my Ubuntu One, CouchDB, desktopcouch projects wiki page. http://okiebuntu.homelinux.com/okwiki/codeRepository19:26
duanedesignMight eventually move this to the Ubuntu One wiki if enough interest is shown and the Team thinks it is a good idea.19:27
ryewooho, I found the bug for me - bug #52766619:31
ubottuLaunchpad bug 527666 in mountall "multiple LVM volumes not mounted in Lucid" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52766619:31
ryeat least now I know I am not the only one who can't boot properly from first time... or second time... or fifth time...19:31
duanedesignrye: i had an issue with mountall in Lucid19:31
duanedesignbug  51041519:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 510415 in ubuntu-release-notes "Lucid mountall can cause unexpected hangs" [Undecided,Invalid] https://launchpad.net/bugs/51041519:33
ryeduanedesign, I had many issues with boot in Lucid.. And I am still having ones, due to my partition set up I have faced... bug #523587, bug #523484, bug #534469 and that one ^19:33
ubottuLaunchpad bug 523587 in mountall "/etc/init/mounted-tmp.conf uses find, which is in /usr/bin" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52358719:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 523484 in ureadahead "ureadahead.conf assumes that /var/lib/ureadahead is available on startup" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/52348419:34
ubottuLaunchpad bug 534469 in nvidia-graphics-drivers "Failed to load NVIDIA 195.36.08 kernel modules because nouveau is loading with separate /usr partition." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/53446919:34
ryeduanedesign, are you running off LVM?19:34
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duanedesignrye: no i am not19:38
duanedesignugh. yeah i was just readding through the bug list. poor mountall :/19:39
ryeduanedesign, ok, then that bug does not apply to you. Well, at least I am ok with the fact that would not affect a lot of users. Only those who use LVM will experience this19:39
duanedesignhmm. Maybe file a bug about my poor spelling. Imagine it would get marked 'Wont fix' :P19:40
PaulGitEvening all19:57
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