[00:01] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: we going to port this to help.kubuntu.org? Or, is that another project?
[00:02] <rmrfslash> I installed the plasma-widget-network-manager and I am unable to find it when I click on Add Widgets.
[00:03] <rmrfslash> Can someone give me a hand?
[00:05] <jjesse> ok have problem with ubiquity on yesterdya's lucid netbook never prompted for a usernam and password
[00:12] <nixternal> that is another project DarkwingDuck
[00:13] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: who is heading that project up?
[00:24] <nixternal> booyah!
[00:24] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: me
[00:24] <jjesse> what project?
[00:25] <DarkwingDuck> get it build nixternal?
[00:25] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: help.kubuntu.org
[00:26] <nixternal> yup
[00:27] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: for h.k.o, it is just scripts that build out the current documentation to documentation suitable for the website with custom website css
[00:27] <nixternal> it is pretty much done...just need to get css files from ryanacka and ofirk
[00:27] <DarkwingDuck> so it will turn the docs into a base like docs.kde.org
[00:28] <jjesse> ah
[00:28] <jjesse> been waiting for that for a long time :)
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: so, we are actually good on the built?
[00:31] <DarkwingDuck> s/built/build
[00:35] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: pretty much
[00:35] <nixternal> w00t, streamlined our makefile and debian rules
[00:35] <nixternal> hotness!!!
[00:38] <rgreening> heh
[00:46] <nixternal> and now let there be weirdness
[00:47] <nixternal> i do not see how, but everything is also being installed to /usr/share/kde4/apps/khelpcenter/plugins/kubuntu
[00:47]  * rgreening is busily dloading kde 4.4.2 to build...
[00:49] <nixternal> dl dl dl!!!
[00:49] <nixternal> booyah...boy, I need to fix the docs index file
[00:55] <DarkwingDuck> brb
[00:56]  * rgreening is starting guitar lessons tomorrow
[00:59] <genii> rgreening_: You have an actual guitar?
[01:00] <nixternal> rgreening_: I need to do the same...I recently pulled my guitar out and not only is it out of tune, but so am I
[01:09] <jjesse> why is it so hard to report a #%#%(*&#% bug on launchpad
[01:09] <jjesse> wheres the report a bug link
[01:27] <ScottK> jjesse: I think the lack of username is an installer bug.  I'm hoping shtylman is aware.
[01:28] <ScottK> shtylman: No news on the new branding, but I made it an issue at the release team meeting today and actions were assigned.
[01:28] <shtylman> ScottK: cool
[01:28] <shtylman> ScottK: what is the username issue?
[01:28] <jjesse> ScottK: i've tried to report it as a bug but launchpad times out all the time
[01:28] <ScottK> shtylman: jjesse had it, let him give you the details.
[01:30] <jjesse> shtylman: yes, no where do i get the menu/selection to put in myusernmane and password
[01:30] <jjesse> personal details
[01:30] <yuriy> jjesse: even when you use the website?
[01:30] <shtylman> jjesse: for the installer?
[01:30] <jjesse> shtylman: in the installer, there is no screen/section for the about me details, such as name, username, password, computer name, etc
[01:31] <shtylman> jjesse: that's certainly new
[01:31] <shtylman> I will check that out...
[01:31] <nixternal> shtylman: I got this with the netbook installer with yesterday's iso as well
[01:31] <nixternal> it goes from drive partitioning right into the install...you get a progress dialog showing the partitioning, and then it is right into installing from it
[01:32] <jjesse> nixternal: that's what happens w/ me
[01:32] <nixternal> there are 4 options in the installer. Locale, keyboard, ...., partitioning
[01:32] <nixternal> what is the 4th option? maybe there are only 3
[01:33] <nixternal> gotta head out for about an hour...bbiaf
[01:34] <jjesse> shtylman: let me know if there is anything i can do to help
[01:37] <ScottK> That's right nixternal was the other one.
[01:37] <ScottK> BTW, nixternal, not all KDE packages are CDBS anymore.  Debhelper 7 is the new thing.
[01:38] <jjesse> shtylman: i've seen it on both my kubuntu netbook build and desktop edition
[03:04] <nixternal> ScottK: yeah, forgot about that...been busy building RPMs, almost forgot how to do debs :)
[04:26] <nixternal> OK, this is annoying as hell....whenever I scp to my Lucid box, I get a message about updates or some shit being available
[04:27] <maco> nixternal: so ssh in and install them?
[04:27] <nixternal> there are no updates
[04:27] <maco> well that's silly
[04:28] <maco> nixternal: did you try informing it of that, sternly?
[04:28] <nixternal> Software upgrade notifications are available
[04:28] <nixternal> that's what it says
[04:28] <nixternal> i hate notifications with a passion
[04:29] <nixternal> nice, and when you click on "Details", KDE Daemon crahses
[04:29] <nixternal> ARGH!
[04:29] <nixternal> file a bug time
[04:32] <crimsun> touch ~/.hushlogin
[04:33] <maco> crimsun: dont think that fixes the fact that it's wrong
[04:33] <crimsun> you can change the frequency in cronjob
[04:33] <crimsun> it's only done daily
[04:34] <crimsun> anyhow, if you're really annoyed by notifications of any sort, you want ~/.hushlogin
[04:35] <nixternal> kde bug 232304
[04:35] <nixternal> can anyone reproduce that one? I am willing to bet you can since this happend on every one of my Kubuntu boxes
[04:40] <nixternal> I am sending Canonical a bill, this is just way to much work to maintain kubuntu-docs and keep the package hot
[04:41] <crimsun> welcome to my world
[04:42] <maco> kubotu: give crimsun and nixternal cookies
[04:42] <maco> kubotu: order cookies for crimsun and nixternal
[04:42]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to crimsun and nixternal.
[04:43] <maco> hey there we go
[04:43] <crimsun> I think nixternal ate my cookies
[04:43] <maco> oh right
[04:43] <crimsun> oh, no, I cleared them on browser shutdown
[04:43] <maco> kubotu: give crimsun vegan chocolate-free gluten-free cookies
[04:43] <maco> dang it i did it wrong again
[04:43] <maco> kubotu: order vegan chocolate-free gluten-free cookies for crimsun
[04:43]  * kubotu slides vegan chocolate-free gluten-free cookies down the bar to crimsun
[04:46] <maco> crimsun: what is "GmbH" at the end of a company name? looks like "GaMBling House"
[04:49] <crimsun> LLC
[04:50] <nixternal> haha, gambling house
[04:50] <nixternal> the german version of llc
[04:50] <nixternal> remember when suse was gmbh
[04:50] <nixternal> ahh, the good ol' days
[04:51] <crimsun> "have a lot of fun"
[05:10] <neversfelde> maco: "Gesellschaft mit beschränkter Haftung" probably best to compare with a limited in UK, but not completely the same
[05:11] <nixternal> ahh shit
[05:11] <nixternal> that bug I reported is on a kubuntu app, kubuntu-notification-helper
[05:11] <nixternal> that is the bastard who notifies me everytime I scp
[05:11] <nixternal> need to get that picked up by apport and not kde bug manager
[08:42] <ulysses> greetings
[08:43] <ulysses> I just read the e-mail about the uploading of Kubuntu documentation, and I want to ask, where can I find it to translate?
[11:32] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: http://wklej.org/id/304517/ is madness
[11:33] <apachelogger> kdesu is part of kdebase-runtime on kubuntu systems it gets switched to kdesudo via update-alternatives
[11:33] <apachelogger> also the fact that the path is hardcoded is a bit of a shot in the head
[11:47] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: yo, could you report that bug to launchpad, and also attatch the contents of /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/?
[11:47] <JontheEchidna> (the KDED crash)
[11:48] <JontheEchidna> though I didn't know calling contains() on a QMap could cause a crash...
[11:50] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: I think that the patch doesn't work (and breaks every cycle) is a bit more mad
[11:50] <apachelogger> well
[11:50] <apachelogger> you know my point on patches altogether ;)
[11:51] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: how do other distros do this anyway?
[11:51] <JontheEchidna> *shrug*
[11:52] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: Oh, and kubuntu-notification-helper don't do scp's. Just Apport, upgrade hooks (which is what was crashing for you), codec install prompts and reboot needed notifications
[11:57] <apachelogger> nixternal: if I got that right, then I think what annoys you is motd
[11:57] <apachelogger> which btw alos eats bash startup time because last I checked it was written in python :S
[13:16] <amichair> where can I find the kubuntu-notification-helper issue tracker?
[13:18] <ScottK> amichair: Should be in Launchpad.
[13:18] <ScottK> That or JontheEchidna's head.
[13:18] <ScottK> One of the two.
[13:18] <amichair> ScottK: yes, it should...
[13:19] <amichair> JontheEchidna: ^^ ?
[13:19] <ScottK> amichair: https://launchpad.net/kubuntu-notification-helper
[13:20] <amichair> ScottK: click on 'Bugs'
[13:20] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-notification-helper
[13:20] <ScottK> Use that one then
[13:20] <amichair> ScottK: ah, great. Thanks!
[13:27] <amichair> well, it looks like bug-free software is not a thing of the past, as some would claim :-)
[14:07] <apachelogger> amichair: nixternal got a crash I think
[14:07] <apachelogger> amichair: http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232304
[14:07]  * apachelogger continues shifting bits
[14:08] <amichair> apachelogger: ah, so the bugs get hidden in the KDE tracker instead :-)
[14:09] <apachelogger> yeah, nixternal likes hiding things :P
[14:12] <apachelogger> Mad | Hadouken
[14:12] <apachelogger> that is quite the insane music right there
[15:25] <glatzor> ping Riddell
[15:37] <maco> memory leaks are fun! http://imagebin.ca/view/NQnZ9Wjt.html
[15:46] <DarkwingDuck> hmm... ff does that
[15:48] <maco> DarkwingDuck: 110-120 tabs. meh. im more surprised by >300mb for quassel
[15:48] <maco> 186mb for kontact
[15:48] <DarkwingDuck> true
[15:49] <DarkwingDuck> that does seem a bit off
[15:52] <DarkwingDuck> just for you maco: http://xkcd.com/350/
[15:58] <apachelogger> these days you just make a cloud!!!!!!!!!!
[16:00] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: +1
[16:01] <DarkwingDuck> the hovertext is the best on those
[16:05]  * apachelogger shifts 2 bytes into the hovertext
[16:05] <apachelogger> where those came from I dont know, but i sure dont need them
[16:15] <amichair> I have plasma-desktop growing to 1G RES every couple of weeks, requiring a restart. Leaking like a sieve.
[16:52] <crimsun> nixternal: passing through ORD again today
[16:52] <jjesse-droid> I hate order with a passion of a thousand burning sons
[16:53] <jjesse-droid> Meant ORD
[16:53] <crimsun> yeah, well, it's better than DEN
[16:54] <crimsun> although that isn't saying too much
[16:56] <jjesse-droid> I try to go through. DEN instead of ORD when going west coast
[16:57] <jjesse-droid> IRC through my Droid is a little silly o think
[17:01] <ScottK> Sometimes I love the Droid autocorrect.  Sometimes I hate it.
[17:06] <crimsun> hate, hate DEN with a passion
[17:06] <crimsun> too bad (for obvious reasons) int'l flights aren't direct
[17:07] <jjesse-droid> I live in a city with a small airport most flights require a connection
[17:09] <nixternal> crimsun: what time?
[17:09] <nixternal> how long?
[17:09] <ScottK> I always seem to be changing planes in Las Vegas, Salt Lake City, or Philadelphia.  I guess I must be picking the right air lines to travel.
[17:09] <nixternal> i never change planes, just socks
[17:10] <nixternal> I was supposed to have a meeting with ofirk on Kubuntu slogans and hour ago, but it seems he wasn't here then and he isn't here now
[17:10]  * ScottK considers what else besides socks ends up not changed and shudders
[17:11] <nixternal> turn em inside out
[17:12] <crimsun> nixternal: should be in around 6 your time
[17:12] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: what were you talking about with kubuntu-notification-helper and scp? if not, then how come everytime i scp to this machine it pops that message up?
[17:12] <crimsun> nixternal: got ~3 hours for the layover
[17:12] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: which message? I thought you said it was popping up a notification about the scp
[17:13] <nixternal> not about the scp, something about upgrade notifications are now available or some garbage
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> oh, you installed a package that has an upgrade notification hook
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: what's in /var/lib/update-notifier/user.d/?
[17:14] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: this is out of the box that it does this
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> :S
[17:14] <nixternal> apt-file-update  ecryptfs-record-passphrase  incomplete-language-support-qt.note
[17:15] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: could I get copies of those files? One of them is causing the parser to choke, apparently
[17:15]  * JontheEchidna has a 3-hour car driver later today, gotta have something to do ;-)
[17:17] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/402496/
[17:17] <JontheEchidna> thx
[17:18] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: I'm thinking that the incomplete language support one is the cause. Could you see if removing that one helps?
[17:19] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: http://paste.ubuntu.com/402497/  <- that is the trace there
[17:19] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: yeah, gonna do that one now, because i thought the same thing
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> prob. a bug in regards to getting the translated hook message
[17:20] <nixternal> that was it
[17:20] <nixternal> now what are you going to do on your 3 hour car ride?
[17:20] <JontheEchidna> fix the bug, I guess
[17:20] <nixternal> hehe
[17:21] <nixternal> oh that is so lovely, no more popup....that was so damn annoying..i could have just done "never show again" but glad I didn't, found you a bug to work on now :)
[17:21] <nixternal> i wasn't even putting it together with scp until last night
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: I think I forgot to account for the .UTF-8 in the parsing code
[17:23] <ScottK> There are times I'd be glad to pay for the wifi if if was just faster.
[17:23] <DarkwingDuck> :)
[17:23] <JontheEchidna> the upgrade hook spec failed to mention that possibility
[17:23] <ScottK> Don't forget to file a bug on the spec.
[17:23] <nixternal> ahh, i bet your right...that is the one thing that gets me is the language stuff...it has not only got me with qt/python/c++, but also with django
[17:26] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: congrats, you are the first user outside of the kubuntu-notification-helper devs to experience a crash caused by it :)
[17:27] <nixternal> omg! omg! omg! do I win anything?
[17:27] <JontheEchidna> a bugfix? :P
[17:28] <DarkwingDuck> that will suck the joy out
[17:29] <nixternal> and it did
[17:29] <nixternal> I am going to go to tiger direct today anyways, so I will at least get a little bit of job back
[17:29] <nixternal> just knowing that every thing electronic, computer, home entertainment, and then some is right at my fingertips causes a bit of joy
[17:30] <nixternal> who needs newegg when you live 10 miles from a CompUSA store, or 10 miles from the Tiger Direct warehouse and store
[17:30] <nixternal> and 10 miles from Frys
[17:30] <nixternal> Frys is where I bought my purse for my netbook :)
[17:30] <ScottK> Me when I don't feel like driving.
[17:31] <ScottK> Our CompUSA went out of business and there wasn't much else around.
[17:31] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[17:31] <ScottK> The one good store around here I know of is a small no name one where pretty much all they speak is Korean.
[17:31] <ScottK> They have interesting things of questionable provenance.
[17:39] <DarkwingDuck> last time i was in korea i went to a computer superstore... it was a bit crazy
[17:41] <verbalshadow> i love the electronic market in seoul
[17:51] <nixternal> ScottK: CompUSA is now the old Tiger Direct stores
[17:51] <nixternal> I worked as the Tech Manager for CompUSA before they went out of business
[17:51] <jjesse> all the compusas in MI are closed down
[17:52] <nixternal> Tiger Direct bought the rights to CompUSA
[17:52] <nixternal> yeah, tiger direct is a chicago thing, so now all of the tiger direct stores are compusa, and the warehouse is still tiger direct
[18:20] <ScottK> Weird.
[18:21] <nixternal> yes, we know you are, but we still love you
[18:22] <ScottK> Right, well I've never denied that.  You have no idea, really.
[18:23] <nixternal> what is weird then?
[18:24] <ScottK> The whole TigerDirect/CompUSA thing
[18:26] <Riddell> glatzor: hi
[18:33] <ScottK> Riddell: Short version of the release team meeting is that slangasek took an action to get some movement on branding stuff so we can get it in for beta 2.  They are aware 4.4.2 is coming before Beta 2.  Also tselliot's KDM patch for smooth transition with Plymouth is uploaded.
[18:34] <Riddell> great, thanks ScottK
[18:34] <Riddell> action on branding on our side I think is to have a meeting and vote on the logos
[18:35] <ScottK> Right.  We still need a K though.
[18:35] <Riddell> yes, that's the action needed on the design team side
[18:35] <ScottK> We ought to schedule the meeting before Thursday then.
[18:35] <Riddell> it's on my todo of things to sort tonight
[18:36] <ScottK> Great.
[18:38] <ScottK> Riddell: Also on that front, nixternal said something about doing a plymouth theme for us.  Not sure how much he got done.  We'll need that by Thursday too.
[18:39] <Riddell> why thursday?
[18:39] <Riddell> oh, freeze
[18:39] <Riddell> mm
[18:39] <ScottK> Yep
[18:53] <txwikinger> any bugs or packages we should look at in our jam?
[18:57] <ScottK> txwikinger: kdebase-workspace always seems to have a pile of bugs needsing triage.
[19:23] <glatzor> evening Riddell
[19:23] <glatzor> It is already to late for PackageKit 05.8?
[19:23] <glatzor> It would contain some unicode fixes
[19:25] <txwikinger> ok. ScottK I will have a look at it
[19:29] <Riddell> glatzor: i tried to package it
[19:29] <Riddell> glatzor: but the mozilla plugin didn't get compield
[19:29] <Riddell> compiled
[19:29] <Riddell> and I couldn't work out why
[20:21] <nixternal> ScottK: I did a theme in 5 minutes...it is ugly as hell, but it is easy to do
[20:27] <Riddell> nixternal: might be worth uploading it though just so we have the packaging sorted
[20:27] <Riddell> rgreening: how's 4.4.2 doing?
[20:27] <DarkwingDuck> plymoth themes?
[20:29] <DarkwingDuck> why not take the ubuntu one, add a k and make it blueish?
[20:30] <DarkwingDuck> And the gears
[20:31] <DarkwingDuck> Or, just the text "erasing hard drive" with a status update in percentage.
[20:32] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[20:33]  * Quintasan saw in his head headlines saying: "KUBUNTU TROLLS ITS OWN USERS?!?!?!"
[20:34] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[20:35] <Quintasan> if we want to purse that way
[20:35] <nixternal> Riddell: put it in kubuntu-default-settings?
[20:36] <Quintasan> put coolface.jpg and text = "sup? I'm formattin' ur hdd, mmkay problem?"
[20:36] <DarkwingDuck> Dave... What are you doing dave... With HAL2000 in the corner
[20:37] <nixternal> Riddell: or should I create a new package 'plymouth-theme-kde'? I am thinking that kubuntu-default-settings is the best place for it though
[20:38] <nixternal> I will have that done either tonight or tomorrow...I have it on my todo list...also working with ofirk on the website as well...though I am wondering how everything will fit now with the rebranding
[20:39] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: have you pushed the docs to a site yet?
[20:39] <nixternal> what i have seen of the ubuntu.com sites is really really nice and professional looking, so maybe ofirk can steal, err I mean borrow, some ideas to at least shart a little bit
[20:39] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: no, won't push them to the site until the new site is up
[20:39] <nixternal> not wasting my time or resources to maintain 2 copies
[20:39] <DarkwingDuck> Roger. What can I do?
[20:39] <nixternal> I will write the plymouth script tonight, and redo the artwork a bit
[20:40] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: nothing doc wise right now...only 6 of the translation templates have been approved so far
[20:41] <DarkwingDuck> Ok, Anything else non-doc related that my non-programming ass can help with?
[20:41] <nixternal> I am gonna head out to the Trek store and pick up some new bike wheels, new handlebars, a bunch of tires and tubes, and something else...can't remember
[20:41] <nixternal> just got my team cash, $1,500 for the year
[20:41] <nixternal> woohoo
[20:41] <nixternal> stock up now and get it over with
[20:43] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[20:45] <Riddell> nixternal: source in kubuntu-default-settings making a new package plymouth-theme-kubuntu ?
[20:46] <Riddell> kubuntu-plymouth-theme is consistent
[20:48] <nixternal> Riddell: yeah, I think that is how you name the themes
[20:48]  * nixternal checks the xubuntu one
[20:48] <nixternal> Riddell: kubuntu-plymouth-theme
[20:49] <nixternal> I will switch up the artwork so it pulsates "nixternal" instead of Kubuntu :p
[20:49] <nixternal> pulsates and nixternal in the same sentence sounds almost illegal, definitely disturbing
[20:50] <jjesse> i'm shuddering
[20:50] <nixternal> stop lying
[22:50] <Riddell> meeting scheduling http://www.doodle.com/nb4tw9n4rmwap7un
[23:08] <Quintasan> Riddell: UTC time?
[23:47] <txwikinger> Is there a graphical upgrade manager for Kubuntu in karmic?