[00:00] <lucian_> but to uninstall it, i lose the ubuntu-desktop and the volume applet >:(
[00:00] <penguin42> lucian_: It's pretty heavily integrated these days; you can temporarly disable it so you can run something that does'nt like it by using pasuspend
[00:00] <lucian_> i've tried to kill it but it wants to start back up
[00:00] <lucian_> i cant play my favorite games with it running
[00:01] <dooglus> lucian_: disable it in your 'startup and session' or whatever it's called?
[00:01] <penguin42> yeh there's an option in the config files that you can change to stop that; but if you use pasuspender when you run your game that'll sort it
[00:01] <lucian_> second life sound skips constantly with it running
[00:02] <lucian_> how do i use pasepender?
[00:02] <AbortD> i just installed chromium and it doesnt show in my internet tab in gnome can anyone help me i have been trying to google this
[00:03] <dooglus> AbortD: did you reboot?  that sometimes helps
[00:04] <joaopinto> anyone else having issues with gnome-screensaver failing to authenticate ?
[00:04] <BUGabundo> joaopinto: not recently
[00:05] <penguin42> lucian_: Open a terminal and run    pasuspender /bin/cat     now keep that open while you play your game, when you're done just ctrl-d that terminal
[00:05] <joaopinto> I didn't reboot yet after the latest updates, not sure if there was a gnome-screensaver upgrade
[00:05] <penguin42> lucian_: Or if you run your game from a command somewhere you can do     pasuspender /where/ever/my/gameis
[00:07] <mozmck> doesn't look like networkManager is running
[00:07] <lucian_> greate i'm running secondlife with it and i get no sound!
[00:07] <mozmck> can empathy do irc chats?  the only option I get in lucid is jabber
[00:08] <penguin42> mozmck: if you do    initctl status netowkr-manager   what does it say?
[00:08] <lucian_> cant i just shut off pulseaudio instead like i used to be able to?
[00:09] <penguin42> you can if you remove the optino for it to auto-restart
[00:09] <lucian_> auto-restart disabled doesn't stop pa from loading anymore
[00:10] <mozmck> penguin42: it says it's running
[00:10] <mozmck> I don't see anything that says network anything in system monitor though.
[00:10] <penguin42> mozmck: If you do    ps -eaf|grep Network   what do you see ?
[00:14] <mozmck3> penguin42: what was that command again?  I'm on the lucid machine now with pidgin
[00:14] <penguin42> mozmck3: ps -eaf|grep Network
[00:15] <lucian_> i lost the ubuntu-dektop because i decided to remove pulseaudio
[00:15] <mozmck3> root       624     1  0 19:00 ?        00:00:00 NetworkManager
[00:15] <mozmck3> and another hit with dhclient
[00:15] <lucian_> what happened to freedom of choice?
[00:15] <Dimmuxx> I get an error when running update-initramfs with the latest updates: one not found followed by three no such file or directory
[00:16] <mozmck3> lucian_: I think ubuntu-desktop is just a meta-package that does nothing but depend on other packages
[00:16] <yofel> lucian_: ubuntu-desktop is a meta package that makes sure you have everything belonging to the default ubuntu  install installed
[00:16] <yofel> lucian_: you don't exactly need it
[00:16] <mozmck3> penguin42: Could not display "network:///".
[00:16] <lucian_> i'll i wanted was the simple choice to shut off pulseaudio, thats all
[00:17] <mozmck3> penguin42: Error: DBus error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.NoReply: Did not receive a reply.
[00:17] <penguin42> mozmckOK, well NetworkManager IS running - so that's not the cause of your error - did you ever tell us what the error was?
[00:17] <yofel> lucian_: yes, and that will remove ubuntu-desktop as pulse is part of ubuntu by default
[00:17] <arand> Do we have a bug for the most recent plymouth fail? (Not starting at all)
[00:17] <yofel> lucian_: you won't loose anything by removing ubuntu-desktop
[00:17] <penguin42> mozmck3: Hmm odd, never seen that before
[00:17] <lucian_> ok
[00:17] <lucian_> now can i get the volume applet back?
[00:17] <lucian_> is there a way to install the older applet?
[00:17] <mozmck3> I installed samba thinking it might need that, but no luck
[00:18] <penguin42> lucian_: Try running gnome-volume-control-appley
[00:18] <penguin42> t
[00:18] <lucian_> the one that didn't depend on pa?
[00:18] <Dimmuxx> arand: my errors are plymouth related
[00:18] <mozmck3> I can see this computer from my karmic box fwiw.
[00:18] <penguin42> mozmck3: I'd try   stop NetworkManager   followed a few seconds later by a start
[00:18] <mozmck3> ok
[00:18] <lucian_> ** (gnome-volume-control-applet:2763): WARNING **: Connection failed, reconnecting...
[00:18] <lucian_> its waiting for pulseaudio
[00:19] <lucian_> unbelievable
[00:19] <yofel> lucian_: you might have to set it to not use pa
[00:19] <yofel> lucian_: but I don't think there's a gui to do that anymore
[00:19] <lucian_> is there a config somewhere?
[00:19] <penguin42> could try one of the xfce or the like volume apps
[00:20] <lucian_> that i can change it
[00:20] <arand> lucian_: I ended up using another volume-controller-thing, removing pa breaks thing, inevitably.
[00:20] <lucian_> this is so uppsetting
[00:21] <mozmck3> penguin42: didn't work.  it did turn off my ethernet and back on though.
[00:21] <yofel> lucian_: nothing you can do anything about, gnome decided to support pa only
[00:21] <penguin42> mozmck3: Odd - remind me when exactly you get the error?
[00:21] <arand> lucian_: Hmm, it's as simple as pa being somewhat obligatory with ubuntu.
[00:21] <yofel> avar: s/ubuntu/gnome/
[00:22] <yofel> arand: ^
[00:22] <mozmck3> if I click on Places->Network, it waits for ~30 sec and then pops up a dialog with that error.
[00:22] <lucian_> my system doesn't like pulseaudio, why should pa be forced onto people who enjoy ubuntu?
[00:22] <yofel> sry avar, was meant for arand
[00:22] <penguin42> mozmck3: Oh! *that* network
[00:22] <mozmck3> penguin42: this is a fresh install of lucid beta1
[00:22] <penguin42> lucian_: It solves a lot of other problems when it works
[00:22] <arand> yofel: hrm, that as well?...
[00:22] <lucian_> i enjoyed the older builds because i had the freedom to shut down pa at WILL
[00:23] <yofel> lucian_: you're free to use xfce or KDE with ubuntu
[00:23] <lucian_> and i'm kinda pissed that this WILL was taken away
[00:23] <BUGabundo> lucian_: if it doesn't work, file bugs
[00:24] <lucian_> maybe i DONT wanna use kde or xfce, i happend to like gnome, but a gnome where i can manually shutdown pa is what i want
[00:24] <penguin42> lucian_: I used to be pissed off with that, but it's worked well for me for a while so it's no longer an issue for me at least
[00:24] <lucian_> now i had to uninstall pa and i dont get volume app nor can i turn on pa when i need it?
[00:24] <lucian_> thats not right
[00:24]  * yofel uses pulse with KDE and it works fine so far
[00:25] <ZykoticK9> !controls
[00:25] <yofel> ZykoticK9: ?
[00:25] <ZykoticK9> yofel, sorry wanted to see the link
[00:26] <DG19075> there was a menu edit  that could be done to make ALSA default..but can't remember it right now
[00:26] <yofel> ZykoticK9: you can ask the bot in private with '/msg ubottu ...' if you just need the link yourself ;)
[00:26] <yofel> DG19075: that doesn't exist anymore since karmic
[00:26] <ZykoticK9> yofel, how can i see +1 specific ones, i tried earlier and failed
[00:27] <lucian_> i cant even go to system, preference, sound without pulseaudio
[00:27] <DG19075> oh my
[00:27] <yofel> oh, yeah, that's a +1 spec. one -.-
[00:27] <yofel> jussi01: ^
[00:27] <mozmck3> another problem. I put refresh rates in an xorg.conf to try and get better resolution on my CRT, the login screen came up with a nice high resolution, but when I log in I just get a black screen with a mouse pointer that I can move around.
[00:28] <yofel> lucian_: yes, as the gnome sound properties were rewritten for better pa integration
[00:28] <mozmck3> is there some other way to tell xorg the refresh rates of the monitor?
[00:28] <yofel> lucian_: what's your issue with pa anyway?
[00:28] <lucian_> yofel: it doesn't work
[00:28] <lucian_> thats my issue
[00:28] <yofel> lucian_: file a bug
[00:29] <penguin42> mozmck3: I do it using an xorg.conf you can also do it via xrandr
[00:29] <yofel> lucian_: and ping crimsun, he's the audio expert
[00:29] <Dimmuxx> arand: what plymouth issue are you talking about?
[00:29] <arand> Dimmuxx: Fails to run at all
[00:30] <lucian_> i'm boot up issues to with ludic after these updates, i cant see the password prompt to decrypt the system lvm, i just get a blank screen
[00:30] <lucian_> lucid
[00:30] <Dimmuxx> okey I get an error when running update-initramfs
[00:31] <Dimmuxx> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-17-generic
[00:31] <Dimmuxx> /usr/share/initramfs-tools/hooks/plymouth: 39: /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme: not found
[00:31] <lucian_> ok i just want pulseaudio to shutoff and stay off when i tell it to
[00:32] <lucian_> when i run games, pa needs to be off
[00:32] <mozmck3> the compact layout setting in nautilus seems to have no effect...
[00:33] <penguin42> Dimmuxx: I'd reinstall the plymouth package
[00:33] <Dimmuxx> penguin42: already tried that
[00:34] <penguin42> does that file exist?
[00:34] <Dimmuxx> no
[00:34] <penguin42> hmm
[00:34] <Dimmuxx> it complains about three other files too
[00:34] <Dimmuxx> cp: cannot stat `/lib/plymouth/themes/default.plymouth': No such file or directory
[00:34] <Dimmuxx> cp: cannot stat `/lib/plymouth/themes/text': No such file or directory
[00:34] <Dimmuxx> grep: /lib/plymouth/themes//.plymouth: No such file or directory
[00:35] <penguin42> Dimmuxx: Which version of the plymouth package do you have?
[00:35] <Dimmuxx> 0.8.1-1
[00:35] <penguin42> interesting, you're slightly ahead of my 0.8.0~-17
[00:36] <Dimmuxx> I just did an dist-upgrade
[00:36] <Dimmuxx> which caused this problem
[00:37] <Dimmuxx> lots of changes
[00:37] <Dimmuxx> so maybe they borked something
[00:37] <penguin42> erm that's weird - current lucid package is 0.8.1-1 for i386 and 0.8.0~-17 for amd64
[00:37] <Dimmuxx> yeah it's on my netbook which is running 32
[00:38] <penguin42> Dimmuxx: Is #549247 yours ?
[00:38] <Dimmuxx> I didn't report it but I just found it
[00:38] <Dimmuxx> so guess I'm not alone at least
[00:39] <penguin42> Dimmuxx: I think you should confirm it and point out those files are missing from that version
[00:39] <Dimmuxx> it's already in the description
[00:40] <penguin42> ok, still best to confirm it then
[00:41] <Dimmuxx> aren't +1 comments frown upon?
[00:41] <penguin42> I mean just set it as confirmed
[00:41] <penguin42> if it's 'new' then it's right to mark it as confirmed and certainly seems right to say why you confirmed it
[00:42] <penguin42> Dimmuxx: I'd also add a comment that it looks like i's the 0.8.1-1 that broke it
[00:43] <jjesse> good evening, yesterday's daily-live of kubuntu netbook and also kubuntu desktop when installing doesn't prompt me to put in a username or a password, so when i reboot i have a system i can't login to
[00:43] <Dimmuxx> well can normal users set status to confirmed? I haven't registered on launchpad
[00:44] <penguin42> Dimmuxx: Ah I think you need to be registered; if you *really* have a problem with that then I'll do it for you
[00:44] <tatsubi> hi
[00:46] <Dimmuxx> I'm probably gonna register eventually but it's really late here now so I rather do it tomorrow when I'm awake and not half asleep. So it would be nice if you could confirm it
[00:47] <penguin42> hmm ok
[00:47] <tatsubi> having issue with installing 10.04b onto a sata drive (not in raid), was wondering if there is some documentation on this already
[00:47] <tatsubi> enjoy Dimmuxx :)
[00:48] <Dimmuxx> heh that was fast :)
[00:48] <penguin42> Dimmuxx: Ah, in the mean time it looks like one of the devs has marked it fix committed
[00:48] <tatsubi> ^.^
[00:52] <foxmulder881> tatsubi: What's so hard about a default install. So special requirements.
[00:52] <tatsubi> it doesn't see any of my drives
[00:52] <penguin42> tatsubi: Do you know what your drive controller is or motherboard?
[00:53] <tatsubi> mobo is A8R32-MVP Deluxe
[00:53] <foxmulder881> Anything currently installed on the aforementtioned drives?
[00:53] <tatsubi> yeah, win7 and ubuntu 9.10 (currently using)
[00:53] <penguin42> tatsubi: But it sees the CDROM drive?
[00:53] <tatsubi> yes
[00:53] <tatsubi> well enough to boot off of it
[00:53] <tatsubi> http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/Koplio/
[00:53] <tatsubi> opps
[00:53] <penguin42> tatsubi: Can you put an lspci somewhere?
[00:53] <tatsubi> I mean
[00:54] <penguin42> ooh weirdo ATI chipset - I bet that's the problem
[00:54] <tatsubi> http://s28.photobucket.com/albums/c219/Koplio/?action=view&current=fail_installer.png
[00:54] <tatsubi> yeah mobo isn't great :(
[00:55] <foxmulder881> tatsubi: What about trying the alternate install disc?
[00:55] <MTecknology> Anybody around here know anything about suhosin?
[00:56] <penguin42> tatsubi: File a bug against 'linux' put in the title 'regression' and point out it works in 9.10
[00:56] <penguin42> tatsubi: I think you should be able to run 'ubuntu-bug' from the live cd if it's found networking that is
[00:56] <tatsubi_> sorry intenet connection crash
[00:56] <penguin42> tatsubi: File a bug against 'linux' put in the title 'regression' and point out it works in 9.10
[00:56] <mozmck2> is irc.ubuntu.com the same as irc.freenode.net
[00:56] <mozmck2> ?
[00:56] <penguin42> tatsubi: I think you should be able to run 'ubuntu-bug' from the live cd if it's found networking that is
[00:57] <tatsubi_> pastebin of lspci: http://pastebin.com/1FXpr56N
[00:57] <histo> mozmck2: yes
[00:58] <histo> mozmck2: kind of
[00:58] <mozmck2> got my resolution up now with refresh stuff in xorg.conf
[00:59] <mozmck2> There really should be a way to enter that information in System->Preferences->Monitors for people who still use CRTs
[01:00] <penguin42> mozmck2: Agreed, I have the same problem because my monitor won't for no-apparent reason autodetect
[01:00] <tatsubi_> :(
[01:00] <mozmck2> I've had several CRT's that wouldn't autodetect, and it sometimes depends on the graphics card.  They will autodetect on one card and not another.
[01:00] <tatsubi_> nick tatsubi
[01:00] <LordGiotto> Hi guys :) I've got a little problem with empathy and i want to know if it's "normal": i can send file, but i can't receive files via any protocol (upgrade with PPA version doesn't solve this problem)... Any of you are affected by this bug?
[01:01] <mozmck2> I couldn't do anything with empathy so I still use pidgin!
[01:01] <penguin42> mozmck2: I could swear there is a bug for it but I can't find it
[01:02] <tatsubi> ok brb going to boot off the 10.04b disk againand report regression bug :)
[01:02] <histo> tatsubi: there are updates since that release
[01:02] <mozmck2> I can't make heads or tails of the bug system.  I probably just need to take some time to look at it more.
[01:04] <histo> mozmck2: you can search it bugs.launchpad.net
[01:05] <mozmck2> heh, now that I fixed my resolution I can browse the network!
[01:05] <mozmck2> maybe...
[01:10] <mozmck2> nope, it sees the computers on the network now but hangs trying to get to one.
[01:13] <tatsubi> went to lodge a file report and somehow magically the install saw my drives when I went "try ubuntu 10.04"blah blah instead of "install ubunt"blahblah
[01:15] <marienz> most of the icons on the gdm login screen are white on a light gray background (hard to read). Is that only me?
[01:15] <tatsubi> marienz, let you know when I get there
[01:16] <marienz> ok, ty :)
[01:16] <tatsubi> :)
[01:16] <marienz> this system has been upgrading since some alpha, so it's possible I broke something along the way
[01:16] <tatsubi> hehe
[01:18] <tatsubi> are you using the new pulseaudio marienz?
[01:18] <tatsubi> just curious
[01:18] <marienz> I don't know! which is which?
[01:18] <tatsubi> ahh ok
[01:18] <venger> anyone had issues with r8169 based interface where it lost link light and you can't get it back until a hard power off?  just happened to me after booting into beta1
[01:19] <penguin42> venger: I've got the r8168b and it seems OK, but that might be a totally different chip
[01:19] <marienz> venger: do you dualboot with windows? I haven't checked this recently, but some version of the windows realtek driver could put the network card in a power saving state on shutdown that the linux driver could not get it back out of
[01:19] <tatsubi> ouch
[01:19] <venger> i read about that marienz i will look into it
[01:19] <marienz> (not sure if that affected that card)
[01:20] <venger> only thing was it stuck even when i booted back in win -- scared me
[01:20] <marienz> if it's that the symptoms should be that it works fine as long as you don't boot into windows since the last time you powered the system down completely (pull the plug or switch off the psu)
[01:20] <tatsubi> what about if you were to disable the device in windows?
[01:21] <marienz> I don't know
[01:21]  * tatsubi nods
[01:21] <marienz> I think I could get it to work by telling windows not to power down the device on shutdown
[01:21] <marienz> but if your card won't work if you turn of the system, pull the power cord, plug the power cord back in, and boot into ubuntu, then it's something else
[01:21] <venger> i do know the previous intrepid server install i just overwrote didn't exhibit the issue
[01:22] <tatsubi> brb restarting
[01:22] <IdleOne> mumble is broken after latest update Bug #549270
[01:26] <IdleOne> can someone please test and confirm that bug
[01:29] <Clark3934> Every time I restart in lucid, "visual effects" reverts to "None" rendering my windows unusable.  I have an intel mobile 4 series gm45.  Does anyone know why this might be happening?  I'm using kernel 2.6.33-020633 with xorg edgers, but reverting to lucid-daily defaults doesn't fix the problem.
[01:32] <venger> marienz, can't see what the windows driver settings is causing it because wake on lan is enabled however doing a cool boot i get network so i think it may be happening during a restart.  it looks like enabling bios rom might be another option if this persists.  thanks for the response.
[01:37] <lucian_> for a problem with package xubuntu-plymouth-theme
[01:38] <lucian_> keep getting an exit status 127 on it
[01:38] <lucian_> can remove it
[01:38] <lucian_> cant*
[01:38] <lucian_> dpkg keeps returning: /var/lib/dpkg/info/xubuntu-plymouth-theme.postrm: 10: /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme: not found
[01:39] <lucian_> anyway i can clean that out?
[01:40] <venger> lucian_, u using dpkg -r or apt-get remove? also --- touch /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme ? :)
[01:41] <lucian_> apt-get remove
[01:41] <venger> lucian_, maybe reinstall it first then remove?
[01:41] <fabio333> there should be plymouth before you install the theme...
[01:42] <fabio333> which plymouth...
[01:42] <lucian_> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:42] <lucian_> cant reinstall it
[01:42] <lucian_> for xubuntu
[01:42] <yofel> lucian_: bug 549247 ?
[01:43] <foxmulder881> God I wish the devs would fix that problem that seems to make it into every new release. This one: E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
[01:43] <lucian_> ok but how do i get rid of this lingering package in the meantime?
[01:45] <yofel> foxmulder881: do you get the same error as lucian_?
[01:46] <foxmulder881> Not in this particular case. But I see it on my Ubuntu systems time and time again with each release. It never seems to go away. I've learnt to ignore it over the years.
[01:46] <fabio333> once i had to remove a package from /var/lib/dpkg/status before unistalling it
[01:47] <yofel> fabio333: if that worked ok fine, but please don't suggest that here, that's dangerous if you don't know what you're doing
[01:47] <lucian_> now im getting a status 126 permission denied
[01:47] <yofel> well ok, you still have status-old if you mess up
[01:47] <lucian_> /var/lib/dpkg/info/xubuntu-plymouth-theme.postrm: 10: /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme: Permission denied
[01:48] <foxmulder881> lucian: Are you su?
[01:48] <lucian_> yes
[01:48] <lucian_> i used sudo
[01:48] <foxmulder881> Yep.
[01:48] <yofel> lucian_: and what does 'ls -l /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme' say?
[01:49] <lucian_> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2010-03-26 18:48 /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme
[01:49] <venger> lucian_, if you did what i had suggested -> 'touch', it was apparently a script/binary and like yofel had implied for another suggestion probably dangerous so remove it, otherwise ignore this
[01:50] <lucian_> i did touch it
[01:50] <venger> so it created a empty file and permission denied could imply it wants to execute it
[01:50] <Random832> chmod +x it
[01:50] <lucian_> ok
[01:50] <venger> heh
[01:50] <yofel> foxmulder881: and about the error being in every release, dpkg only tells us that something went wrong here, shouldn't happen, but that's usually a bug in the package, not a general issue
[01:51] <Random832> executing an empty file will just treat it as a shell script that returns true
[01:51] <Random832> (some systems have an empty shell script for /bin/true)
[01:51] <lucian_> ok its fixed
[01:52] <venger> did if finish the remove then?
[01:52] <lucian_> i think so
[01:52] <venger> lucian_, pastebin if you want
[01:52] <yofel> if there wasn't another error then it should have removed the package fine now
[01:52] <lucian_> it all started when i did sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[01:53] <lucian_> everything installed except xubuntu-plymouth-theme
[01:53] <yofel> lucian_: nothing to do with it, the plymouth upload from a few hours ago is broken, you were just unlucky
[01:53] <lucian_> ok
[01:53] <venger> which according to the bug its missing some file(s)
[01:54] <lucian_> it seems that i cant get to the cryptsetup password prompt to unlock the system lvm during boot up
[01:54] <lucian_> just goes blank
[01:55] <lucian_> same thing with single user
[01:56] <arand> yofel: is this the bug you mentioned earlier?
[01:57] <yofel> arand: the plymouth one?
[01:58] <robin0800> lucian_: think you have to run update-initramfs -u after each change
[01:58] <arand> yofel: Yea, so late pm is completely broken?
[01:58] <lucian_> yes i do that
[01:58] <lucian_> but there's someting buggin
[01:59] <arand> yofel: and if so, is it supposed to be fixed by updates or does one ned to get hands dirty to fixit?
[02:00] <yofel> arand: seems like 0.8.1-1 is missing a few files
[02:00] <robin0800> lucian_: I know theres a ubuntu page about this but I can't find it
[02:00] <lucian_> actually now that you mentioned update-initramfs, i just got a stat error on it
[02:00] <lucian_> cp: cannot stat `/lib/plymouth/themes/text': No such file or directory
[02:00] <lucian_> grep: /lib/plymouth/themes//.plymouth: No such file or directory
[02:00] <yofel> arand: the bug says fix committed, so it will be fixed shortly (bug fixed but not uploaded yet)
[02:00] <lucian_> thats the error i got after doing the update
[02:01] <yofel> yes, and that will be fixed once the bugfix is uploaded, you'll have to wait
[02:01] <lucian_> ok
[02:02] <arand> yofel: right, I'll have a peek how my lynx is doing atm, i sneer awfully at PM last time I booted...
[02:02] <arand> s/i/it\ did/
[02:08] <arand> yofel: Surprise surprise Version: 0.8.1-1 ...Well, good to know what's up.
[02:08] <ddecator> arand: that update broke plymouth for me =p
[02:09] <arand> ddecator: You are amongst equals it seems.
[02:09] <yofel> ddecator: bug 549247
[02:09] <lucian_> plymouth rock landed on me too
[02:10] <ddecator> arand: interesting...it didn't work right for me before either though
[02:19] <venger> i can't get the window border buttons to go to the right, i set layout to "minimize,maximize,close:" which did change the order but the colon was already on the right...
[02:20] <ddecator> move it to the left
[02:21] <venger> pfft thats what i get for insisting the guide must be accurate
[02:22] <symptom> Hello, does sudo apt-get dist-upgrade still do the same thing in ubuntu?  I was looking at the Lucid upgrade instructions and it says to use the update-manager-core.
[02:23] <symptom> Also, is it ok for me to have ubuntu-mozilla-daily sources in my sources.list when i do the upgrade.
[02:24] <ddecator> if you make sure it looks for lucid, and dist-upgrade just upgrades the software, it won't upgrade from karmic to lucid
[02:24] <symptom> ddecator, mean what exactly? the kernel?
[02:24] <symptom> meaning*
[02:26] <ddecator> symptom: dist-upgrade upgrades all of the current software on the system to the latest release for the version of ubuntu you are using. to upgrade from karmic (or another older version) to lucid, you hit Alt+F2 and enter "update-manager -d" (can't remember if you need sudo or not...)
[02:31] <wolter> lol, the 'plymouth' for nvidia blob is looking so funny
[02:31] <wolter> like 80's shooters
[02:33] <symptom> ddecator, Im tracking on that.  I guess my question is what is the difference between updating your sources.list to lucid then running apt-get dist-upgrade AND using update-manager-core?
[02:33] <Blue11> 100 megs of updates today -- must be why they call it a "beta release!"
[02:33] <arand> symptom: either waht ddecator suggests or "sudo do-release-upgrade" for non-gui version
[02:34] <ddecator> symptom: using update manager is just seen as an easier way of doing the upgrade, but it's possible to change your sources to lucid and upgrade, but there is a higher chance of things breaking
[02:35] <lucian_> lucid is not using hal right?
[02:36] <ddecator> a few things still do
[02:36] <lucian_> aw
[02:36] <lucian_> yeah i'm testing lucid but still using jaunty on the other lvm
[02:36] <lucian_> havnt tried karma yet
[02:36] <symptom> If that is indeed the case, I wonder why that is, and how the apt distribution upgrade proccedure has changed.  Or rather how ubuntu has changed it, or what they are using now and why it is better.  I always figured the upgrade-manager-core was just a front end for dist-upgrade
[02:37] <symptom> I suppose there is some config for certain packages that ubuntu woould just take care of.
[02:37] <ddecator> symptom: using update manager basically disables third party ppas, updates your sources.list to lucid, then runs the upgrades like a dist-upgrade. it's just automatic and does it all at once for users
[02:38] <symptom> ahhhh.  See now that answers my other question.  I have the ppa for mozilla in my sources.list.
[02:39] <ddecator> right, it can be reenabled after the upgrade if you want the daily builds, but it gets disabled during the upgrade to prevent conflicts
[02:39] <symptom> and i was wondering if that would jack it up.  Back when I was using debian I remember having to double and tripple check the sources.list file
[02:39] <arand> Blue11: Mind the plymouth update...
[02:39] <symptom> sweet.  Well Im running it now and I just copied over my sources.list to my home directory as a back up.  Ill just cut and paste after the UG.
[02:40] <Blue11> arand: I drive a buick...
[02:40] <Blue11> heh
[02:41] <enav> i got a question about the new release
[02:41] <ddecator> which is?
[02:41] <symptom> ddecator, thanks for the info and the good discussion.
[02:41] <enav> why the control buttom position was changed  to the left???
[02:41] <ddecator> symptom: np =)
[02:42] <Blue11> enav: that's the topic of many flame wars
[02:42] <Blue11> enav: but you can change it
[02:42] <ddecator> enav: there is no concrete answer, but it has been suggested that they plan on adding something to the right side later
[02:42] <enav> who decide that kind of things??  who have the power to do that
[02:42] <Blue11> enav: dunno - here's how to change it:  http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=207
[02:43] <ddecator> the developers, but this will get things off topic if we discuss the controversy here
[02:43] <enav> thanks any way.. i just want to know the main reason about that annoying change
[02:43] <symptom> I heard it was because the whole mac OS layout (left = control) has been shown to be more desirable/ergonomic/functional/etc
[02:43] <Blue11> we should start a new channel called #button_flames or something =-O
[02:44] <symptom> ...not to start the flame war or anything
[02:44] <ddecator> nobody knows for sure other than the developers
[02:44] <Blue11> ddecator: that's the truth
[02:44] <enav> i guess those guys are the responsible to do that
[02:45] <ddecator> although i heard that using themes other than radiance or ambiance now automatically moves the buttons to the right again (haven't tested)
[02:45] <Blue11> let me see what I am using brb
[02:45] <enav> i just think that change is critical for some users that are really noobish
[02:46] <Blue11> i am using the clearlooks theme - i use gconf to move the buttons
[02:46] <ddecator> hm, maybe it isn't added yet...i believe the plan is to make it theme-specific though
[02:46] <enav> to change that config i need to use console???
[02:46] <ddecator> or gconf
[02:46] <Blue11> enav: yeah simple change gconftools
[02:47] <enav> i mean by console
[02:47] <Blue11> enav: i don't know any other way to to do it sorry
[02:47] <enav> is not good.. not at all
[02:47] <ddecator> again, that's a controversial topic =\
[02:48] <enav> i guess the developers have a good reason to do that...  let wait for something new  maybe is a good thing
[02:48] <ddecator> probably won't show up until 10.10
[02:48] <Blue11> enav: as long as I can "make it right" I'm happy
[02:50] <ddecator> dang it
[02:54] <enav> i nice idea is to setup the controlbox position with some theme option
[02:57] <thiebaude> i still cant shutdown 10.04
[02:57] <Andre_Gondim> at last update, my usplash disapear
[02:59] <yofel> Andre_Gondim: you mean plymouth, we don't use usplash anymore, and yes plymouth is broken atm
[03:00] <mozmck> anyone here know how to compile the kernel from lucid git?
[03:00] <Andre_Gondim> yeah, yofel plymouth disapear
[03:00] <yofel> Andre_Gondim: check if you have bug 549247
[03:00] <ddecator> i guess a plymouth update has been released
[03:03] <ddecator> not the one that breaks it, but a new one (haven't tested it yet)
[03:06] <enav> i like from ubuntu is the friendly pople
[03:15] <leagris> plymouth... is there a Camaro for ubuntu ?
[03:17] <dividedby0zero> hello
[03:26] <syddraf> I am running Lucid and am having a problem with Flash. Flash apps load, but I cannot click any objects inside of the flash window. Anyone have suggestions or is this a known issue?
[03:26] <wolter> leagris, i wish.. plymouth doesn't work with nvidia
[03:26] <wolter> blob
[03:27] <Lounge> that happened a few times with youtube where i couldn't click the volume or the play/pause
[03:27] <Lounge> in firefox 2.6
[03:28] <Blue11> 2.6 - whw that ancient
[03:28] <wolter> yeah
[03:28] <Lounge> had to shutdown firefox-bin
[03:28] <wolter> sure you don't mean 3.6?
[03:28] <syddraf> I'm also using Firefox 3.6, I should have said, but it also doesn't work in chrome.
[03:28] <Lounge> 3.6
[03:28] <Lounge> sory
[03:30] <yofel> syddraf: not being able to click inside flash in firefox is known, but it should work in chromium
[03:32] <syddraf> Ok... really stupid question. What's the terminal command to run chromium, because "chromium" isn't working X_X
[03:34] <thiebaude> anyone know of a terminal command so i can shut down my computer using 10.04?
[03:35] <wolter> sudo shutdown -P +1
[03:35] <wolter> will shutdown in +x
[03:35] <thiebaude> thanks alot
[03:35] <thiebaude> cant wait til they fix that
[03:35] <Volkodav> halt should do it too
[03:35] <wolter> fix what?
[03:35] <thiebaude> when i click shut down the computer restarts
[03:36] <wolter> wow... thats weird
[03:36] <thiebaude> yep
[03:36] <wolter> And if you click restart it restarts as well
[03:36] <wolter> ?
[03:36] <thiebaude> i haven't tried that yet
[03:36] <thiebaude> but i will
[03:37] <syddraf> Ok, well. Chromium isn't working either, apparently.
[03:38] <syddraf> I take that back, it works when i spam click
[03:45] <symptom> has anyone else seen this? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1440008
[03:46] <symptom> Im having the same issue.
[03:57] <daniskami> syddraf: chromium-browser
[03:58] <daniskami> syddraf: (you can find that out using `apt-file list' or guess it by typing chromium<TAB> and see what autocompletion suggests)
[03:59] <randal> I need some help i just installed 10.04 and in Firefox my flash player doesent work properly. For example when i whatch a youtube video i cant click anything but it will play but i cant puase or do anything any ideas (I have tried reinstalling both firefox and flash)
[04:05] <randal> is anyone here
[04:07] <Some_Person> Hey, when I last shut down, plymouth showed the old ubuntu logo
[04:27]  * leagris is away: regenerating
[04:27] <arand> A there goes the plymouth updates.
[04:28] <arand> !away > leagris
[04:28] <coz_> hey guys...oh man ..just updated and the plymouth image was changed to way bad :)
[04:29] <coz_> sorry I meant way ugly :)
[04:30] <tofupup> just started the updates
[04:30] <arand> coz_: version 0.8.1-1 or 0.8.1-1ubuntu1?
[04:30] <coz_> arand,  mm let me check
[04:32] <coz_> arand,   0.8.1-1
[04:34] <arand> coz_: Bug #549247
[04:34] <arand> coz_: 0.8.1-1ubuntu1 has dropped into main, and should fix issues.
[04:35] <coz_> arand, ah so an update will fix the 0.8.1-1 then
[04:35] <arand> ↑ Bug has a very bad title btw.
[04:36] <coz_> although I am on 64 bit
[04:37] <arand> coz_: Ah, no idea how the issue fares there, and presumably the amd64 builds always takes a bit longer..
[04:37] <coz_> arand,  ok  no biggie  just ugly  :)
[04:37] <Volkodav> why is it a bunch of packages are kept back from upgrades ?
[04:38] <ddecator> anyone here happen to be using ubuntu lucid beta 1 server on a wireless network with wpa2 encryption?
[04:39] <Volkodav> I have 3 desktops/laptops running fine with wpa2
[04:39] <un214> szdfhcfg,l
[04:39] <arand> coz_: amd64 build Finished 23 minutes ago (vs 2h i386), so maybe they're not mirrored yet then...
[04:40] <ddecator> my laptop works fine, but it's my server that i can't get to join my wpa2 wireless network...
[04:40] <coz_> arand,  oh ok... I wansnt too worried :)  just thought I would bring it up :)
[04:40] <crimsun> coz_: / arand: publisher just ran 7 minutes ago
[04:40] <coz_> ok cool
[04:40] <crimsun> be patient, and if you can't, just download from LP ;-)
[04:42] <arand> Well, gotta hype something ;)
[04:43] <tofupup> crimsun: what does LP stand for?
[04:43] <arand> !lp | tofupup
[04:44] <tofupup> arand: thanks
[04:57] <voss> using 10.04 nbr quite interesting
[05:00] <arand> voss: any interesting interface changes?
[05:10] <un214> funny error message: "apt-get is not installed on this system. You can install it by typing apt-get install apt"
[05:11] <ddecator> heh
[05:12] <MTughan> Better one. "apt-get is not installed on this system. You're screwed." :P
[05:12] <un214> well dpkg can install it
[05:13] <MTughan> Still not an ideal situation though.
[05:13] <un214> I have on one of my systems a package chain that when unpacked results in a system that has no packages installed but apt-get install apt suddenly works
[05:17] <voss> arand, color changes, but they did get the wireless correct this time
[05:18] <ddecator> oh crap
[05:18] <ddecator> i just got the bad update for plymouth on my server, haha. good thing i don't have to restart it
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> I just found it easier to remove plymouth, then to bother with it constantly breaking. :)
[05:22] <Dr_Willis> anyone else seem to think theres to much focus on plymounth for somthing that does so.. well.. little?
[05:24] <un214> well I did apt-get remove plymouth
[05:26] <Andre_Gondim> sometime when I am in Gmail my accents disapers,
[05:26] <nick125> What's the default plymouth theme?
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> i just stoped it from starting via the /etc/init scripts
[05:27] <un214> I thought it might have been responsible for my system booting to bad graphics like usplash was once so goodbye
[05:27] <un214> anyway the cause was a bad xorg failsafe driver
[05:28] <bsmith093> is anyone else having the system think it has an audio disc mounted when the drive is empty
[05:28] <un214> I had removed the nouveau driver due to instability on a prior beta (can't blaim them -- hardware has what I think is a DMA conflict)
[05:29] <un214> the nouveau driver still clobbers the systray icons but no other weird effects
[05:31] <nick125> I had to get rid of nouveau as it was causing my GPU to run extremely hot..somewhere around 95C
[05:31] <un214> btw, is there a way to control /boot/grub/menu.list generation?
[05:32] <un214> it gets a littile tiresome repeatedly merging my changes
[05:32] <nick125> What changes?
[05:32] <EPAstor> Having an odd issue in Lucid beta - mouse & keyboard are unable to change window in focus, including to the GNOME menus. Problem is new - started after updating packages today. Any thoughts? More details (and a second person with the same problem) posted to the forums, but thought people might be interested.
[05:32] <un214> I keep a third version with ro init=/bin/sh
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> un214:  yep. it gets annoying i agree
[05:33] <EPAstor> un214: Have you added a script to /etc/grub.d?
[05:33] <un214> ?
[05:33] <EPAstor> un214: It's the standard way to control menu.list generation
[05:33] <SmittyJensen> hello.
[05:34] <SmittyJensen> Anyone know anything about the acpi boot delay?
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> oftn its not adding scripts thta people want.. they want to alter the default ones.
[05:34] <SmittyJensen> or can they tell me how to apply this patch: http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lp100110-karmic/
[05:34] <un214> I'm rater inclined to file a bug with the initrd
[05:34] <EPAstor> un214: What sort of changes are you trying to get to stick?
[05:34] <un214> it doesn't attach the init program's standard error to the console
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> I did add a custome  entry to boot an iso file from a spare partition :) to ease rescue mode.
[05:35] <un214> I keep a second emergency mode that does init=/bin/sh
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> un214:  ive heard of others that have that 'not work' for them also.
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> Im not tried it myself
[05:35] <bsmith093> is anyone else having the system think it has an audio disc mounted when the drive is empty
[05:35] <un214> it works for me so long as the first command I issue is exec 2>&1
[05:35] <un214> you won't see a thing you type until you issue that
[05:36] <SmittyJensen> ok then, anyone know how to fix the 18 second boot delay in any ubuntu version?
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> I dont have a 18 sec boot delay that ive seen
[05:36] <un214> you won't see the prompt either until you do set -i as the second command
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> If theres a 18 sec delay.. that means my pc is actually booting in like 20 sec. :)
[05:36] <SmittyJensen> Dr_Willis, it doesn't happen if i turn acpi off
[05:37] <Dr_Willis> many MB makers often do weird things int heir bios/acpi implemention from what ive seen in the past.
[05:37] <SmittyJensen> Dr_Willis, it's a major pain in the butt. boot times are supposed to be quick but no matter how quick they are i'll still get the 18 second boot delay.
[05:37] <un214> I've broken my system so badly that rescue mode doesn't work in the past.
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> i had one pc where the clock ran 4x as fast (the actual time of day clock) :) unless i had acpi off..
[05:38] <SmittyJensen> Dr_Willis, well.. here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/100110, it has a workaround or two. but both don't work.
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> i wonder what dsdt is
[05:39] <un214> what's the matter, surprised that init=/bin/sh actually worked but appeared not to?
[05:39] <SmittyJensen> i just want it fixed so i can enjoy nice boot times. =/ doesn't happen in windows, even though windows boots slow. l0l
[05:39] <Dr_Willis> its aparently a known bug.. and its being worked on.
[05:40] <SmittyJensen> meh, that doesn't help any.
[05:40] <EPAstor> SmittyJensen: The workaround in comment 10 doesn't fix your problem?
[05:40] <SmittyJensen> apparently they took out the custom dsdt feature.
[05:40] <EPAstor> And it may not help any, but you are running a beta... It's the pain you pay.
[05:40] <SmittyJensen> EPAstor, so I haven't tried it. but it's not supposed to work
[05:40] <SmittyJensen> EPAstor, that's what i'm saying. it happens on any linux. i just happen to be running ubuntu+1
[05:40] <un214> I switched to lucid in pre-alpha
[05:40] <un214> I didn't have lots of problems until after beta
[05:41] <SmittyJensen> which is great, might i add.
[05:41] <EPAstor> SmittyJensen: Huh. Odd.
[05:41] <SmittyJensen> yeah. apparently andy whitcroft or some guy uploaded a kernel with a fix. it doesn't appear to be there anymore (only a patch)
[05:41] <EPAstor> Okay - so it's fundamentally a feature they stripped from the kernel. That sucks, and hopefully they'll get to building a proper replacement for it SOON.
[05:41] <SmittyJensen> nope.
[05:41] <SmittyJensen> they took it out and are expecting to keep it out since it can cause hardware damage (apparently).
[05:42] <EPAstor> Right, but I assume they're looking into alternative approaches.
[05:42] <SmittyJensen> oh, yeah.
[05:42] <SmittyJensen> thats what it says. :P
[05:42] <SmittyJensen> anyway. i'm not real keen on patches and stuff. any chance you could help me figure out the patch?
[05:42] <EPAstor> I'll point out that Windows is deliberately breaking specifications to boot without that delay... this is actually a motherboard manufacturer bug, if I'm reading the descriptions right.
[05:43] <EPAstor> I could - but it's a kernel patch? Recompiling with a patched kernel is a bit touchy.
[05:43] <SmittyJensen> i'm assuming its a kernel patch.
[05:43] <SmittyJensen> http://people.canonical.com/~apw/lp100110-karmic/
[05:43] <EPAstor> That's the one thing I don't really do. Someone else might do that more often...
[05:43] <SmittyJensen> EPAstor, the kernels are supposed to be there. now all thats left is a patch. -_-
[05:45] <SmittyJensen> is there any way i could just patch the file without recompiling the entire thing?
[05:45] <EPAstor> Not with the kernel. That's why it's touchy.
[05:46] <SmittyJensen> hmm
[05:46] <SmittyJensen> maybe ill just compile a new kernel then and use it as my default. whaddya think?
[05:46] <EPAstor> Best of luck. Last time I tried that it didn't work out too well, but if you find a good guide to it, more power to you.
[05:47] <SmittyJensen> i've done it before, i just don't know a whole lot about it therefore don't like doing it.
[05:47] <EPAstor> By the way, anyone have any ideas on this problem: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1440048 ? Odd bugger, but it's completely clobbered my desktop.
[05:47] <SmittyJensen> EPAstor, thanks for the help anyway. i guess ill spend the rest of the night doing it >: D
[05:48] <EPAstor> SmittyJensen: Then that's probably your fastest way to a fix, unfortunately.
[05:48] <un214> Is it safe to modify /etc/grub.d/10_linux?
[05:48] <un214> I don't feel like parsing its output in another script.
[05:49] <Dr_Willis> un214:  make backups.. and any updates to the grub packages may restore the system version
[05:49] <un214> would a patch that adds a hook get applied?
[05:50] <Dr_Willis> Not sure what you mean.
[05:52] <un214> so I submit a patch to /etc/grub.d/10_linux that does source /etc/grub.d/customentry for each kernel found would they apply it to the upstream version?
[05:53] <Dr_Willis> i doubt it.
[05:54] <Dr_Willis> at this time theres so many freezes going on.  You could mention it on the brainstorm site and discuss it I gues.s it may make it into the next release.  theres also several wiki/guides/threads on customizing grub2 scripts
[05:55] <un214> and here's a nasty grub bug:
[05:55] <un214> doing do-release-upgrade in a 32 bit jail on a 64 bit system installs the 32 bit grub to the bootsector
[05:55] <un214> doesn't boot for the obvious reason
[05:56] <EPAstor> un214: Oof. That IS nasty. Already filed?
[05:57] <un214> I fixed it on my system by apt-get remove grub in the chroot jail
[05:58] <un214> unfortunately I couldn't think up any possible other fix besides fixing debootstrap to not install any bootloader in jail mode
[05:58] <un214> do-release-upgrade can't be stopped from installing a new kernel to /boot
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> My Network router can share a 'usb drive' but it named the share to be -> Purple (abbr=PURPLE )
[06:03] <Dr_Willis> thats the full name.. How weird.
[06:07] <nishanth> the game lights off doesnot work does anyone know why?
[06:26] <BigMack83> im trying out kubuntu 10.4, and the desktop widgets dont seem to want to stay in place. when i move them to where i want them, as soon as i click somethign else they all go back to their old spot. and sometimes they all revert to the same one spot overlapping eachother.
[06:26] <BigMack83> anyone else experience this?
[06:27] <git__> is suspend/resume in 10.04 working for ya?
[06:29] <BigMack83> git__: yes
[06:30] <git__> BigMack83, did you do a regression test?
[06:30] <BigMack83> well havent tried hibernate but suspend is working
[06:30] <BigMack83> no
[06:30] <git__> BigMack83, how many times have u try suspend/resume/suspend/resume ...
[06:30] <BigMack83> since i booted, only once
[06:30] <nishanth> does anyone know why lights off wont work ?
[06:30] <git__> if u're able to do it 10 in a row without hard reset or reboot, u're golden
[06:31] <git__> i like the "instant on" capability
[06:31] <BigMack83> ok, what does that have to do with the widgets?
[06:31] <git__> hey rebooting my maching and starting applications
[06:31] <BigMack83> instant on? you mean suspend/hibernate?
[06:34] <LinuxGuy2009> Can anyone verify if the window buttons are still on the left with current updates? I just updated my netbook with like 160 updates and I don't think I changed the button layout myself but i could be wrong.
[06:36] <BigMack83> LinuxGuy2009: when i first booted into gnome, my window buttons were on the left yes. its because of the new theme layout
[06:36] <BigMack83> hrmm, annoying. why use widgets if they dont move to where you want them
[06:36] <LinuxGuy2009> No I mean they shanged back to the right. And the menu icon has changed too.
[06:36] <BigMack83> ah
[06:36] <BigMack83> then not sure
[06:37] <BigMack83> mine stayed on the left
[06:37] <LinuxGuy2009> BigMack83: have you updated tonight?
[06:37] <BigMack83> i just a few hours ago installed the whole thing. and updated yea
[06:41] <LinuxGuy2009> Hmm Im about to install in a vbox and verify this change.
[06:44] <Spoom> howdy folks, using lucid beta 1, i'm attempting to start compiz and bypass the hardware blacklist, but the method suggested by the compiz people at http://wiki.compiz.org/Hardware/Blacklist isn't working, it just continues to say "blacklisted PCI ID 8086:2562 detected"; any ideas?
[06:45] <Spoom> i have created the file ~/.config/compiz/compiz-manager as suggested, to no effect
[06:58] <BigMack83> in kubuntu, why is there no shutdown or reboot option when i select leave from the main menu?
[06:58] <BigMack83> only logout, lock, switch, suspend, and hibernate are available
[07:00] <LinuxGuy2009> BigMack83: Maybe look in the logout window if one pops up? Just guessing.
[07:08] <Dr_Willis> He left befor i could answer.. oh well
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> if you start kde from gdm or visa versa gnome from kdm. Not all options will be shown
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> You have to logout, or use some other buttons/way to go straight to shutdown/reboot
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> I have logout/reboot/shutdown here on Kubuntu (using kdm and kde)
[07:10] <LinuxGuy2009> Dr_Willis: Hmm I didnt know that.
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> sort of been that way for ages and agers.
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> Not exactly sure why it matters.
[07:11] <coz_> well I see the "fix" for plymouth was update but that image used is really bad  :)
[07:11] <LinuxGuy2009> Not sure. I never really noticed it myself until now when you mentioned it. Inly tried KDE a few times myself.
[07:11] <coz_> whoa now compiz ismessed up   let me reboot
[07:12] <LinuxGuy2009> coz_: Bad as in cool? What is plymouth anyways?
[07:13] <Ahmed\> hi
[07:13] <Ahmed\> can i upgrade to Lucid without formatting or reinstalling ?
[07:14] <Dr_Willis_> faq  - and the answer is yes Ahmed\
[07:15] <Dr_Willis_> one  of the main benifits of using a package manager system :)
[07:15] <Ahmed\> umm
[07:15] <Ahmed\> Thanks Dr !
[07:15] <Dr_Willis_> Upgrades can be prone to problems.. I always tend to do clean installs
[07:15] <LinuxGuy2009> Me too
[07:15] <Ahmed\> UMM
[07:16] <Ahmed\> How many mb will that be on ?
[07:16] <Ahmed\> or in DVD
[07:16] <LinuxGuy2009> What?
[07:16] <Dr_Willis_> since its downloading all NEW stuff.. it will proberly be several 100mb...
[07:16] <Dr_Willis_> proberly 600+
[07:16] <Ahmed\> ohh
[07:16] <Ahmed\> around 700 then... same as 9.10
[07:17] <Dr_Willis_> thats download size.. drive space size used will be bigger of course
[07:17] <LinuxGuy2009> Ahmed\: Plus if you upgrade your existing install, all your other apps will be updated too. So that will tack on some extra MB probably.
[07:20] <Ahmed\> Ahh
[07:20] <Ahmed\> I have slow network @ 512 :$
[07:21] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-control-center/+bug/488856
[07:23] <KruyKaze> how do i use nouveau in lucid?
[07:24] <LinuxGuy2009> DanaG: I think my netbook has virtical scrolling working out of the box but yeah i dont see horizontal scrolling option. Ithink two finger scrolling is probably hardware dependent.
[07:24] <DanaG> Anyway, I looked in the gnome-settings-daemon source, and it would literally take just about 3 lines of change to implement a "both" option:
[07:24] <DanaG> before: if (scrollmethod == 1) ....   if (scrollmethod == 2) ....
[07:24] <DanaG> after:  if (scrollmethod & 1) ....    if (scrollmethod & 2)....
[07:25] <DanaG> (though, using bit masks may be "bad manners")
[07:25] <DanaG> 0=none 1=edge 2=two-finger 3=both
[07:28] <Dr_Willis_> my fingers are too fat.. and touchpad too small.. :) i cant get 2 fingers to do anyting usefull
[07:29] <DanaG> heh, I have 3 buttons on my touchpad... yet xorg still insists on doing 3-finger emulation (left+right == middle)
[07:36] <Ahmed\> How many space should i have on my HDD to run Ubuntu a new install that will work at least a year before formattin ?
[07:40] <DanaG> hmm, 25 or 30 gigs is a good amount for the root... how much you give to /home depends on how much of your random stuff (i.e. music and downloads and such) you store in it.
[07:50] <Ahmed\> Oh i have 65 GB and i have another partation to save what i have downloaded i moves it there :)
[07:50] <DanaG> hmm, I'm not in Ubuntu at the moment to check my own usage, so I can't give any more than that right now.
[07:50] <DanaG> Anyway, it all depends on how much stuff you plan to install.
[07:51] <DanaG> For example, games such as Nexuiz are huge.
[07:51] <Dr_Willis_> Hmm. i got 8+GB in just wallpapers :)
[07:52] <Ahmed\> HHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[07:55] <Dr_Willis_> i also have - 5 external USB hard drives for storage of at least 1TB each :)
[07:56] <DanaG> anyway, it's bedtime for me now.
[07:56] <DanaG> just about 1 AM.
[08:01] <red> hmm
[08:01] <red> wonder why gmail works on my main pc
[08:01] <red> but not on my laptop x)
[08:04] <Dr_Willis_> Hmm. I really find it annyong that depending on the browser. My printouts of various web sites can be very diffrent
[08:05] <Dr_Willis_> ages ago i had a program by 'HP' that would let me preview/tweak the web site printouts. but ive never found anything like it on linux. or even on windows any more.
[08:05] <Dr_Willis_> ie: enlarge fonts/headers so forth. am i overlooking some tool that exists?
[08:10] <om26er> After grub my screen goes blank, tried installation three time but same result using beta1 usb
[08:11] <kklimonda> om26er: have you tried booting with nomodeset ?
[08:11] <om26er> kklimonda: boots from usb but not after installation
[08:12] <kklimonda> om26er: still have you tried with nomodeset, disabled splash and removed quiet from command line? :)
[08:14] <om26er> kklimonda: just tried and the same result
[08:14] <om26er> installation from the same usb worked a few days ago
[08:15] <om26er> kklimonda: should I try the latest build?
[08:16] <kklimonda> om26er: sure
[08:21] <Torrentow_> hello
[08:22] <ddecator> hello
[08:23] <Torrentow_> what's up?
[08:24] <Dr_Willis_> reading all the latest news/rss feeds
[08:24] <Dr_Willis_> I saw somthing about AMD video open spouirce driver support.. getting dropped.. but cant find the artical now
[08:24] <kklimonda> debugging transmission crash without proper stacktrace.. ;)
[08:40] <MarcoPau> hello, I would like to disable frame buffer in the console but vga=normal in the kernel grub line won't have any effect. what am I supposed to do?
[08:42] <bullgard> MarcoPau: You could dtermine your Linux loadable frame buffer module and then blacklist it.
[08:43] <MarcoPau> bullgard, i.e. fbdev?
[08:44] <MarcoPau> kernel: [    2.032039] fb0: radeondrmfb frame buffer device
[08:44] <bullgard> MarcoPau: No. Wikipedia 2008-01: "The _Linux framebuffer_ (fbdev) is a graphic hardware-independent _abstraction layer_ to show _graphics_ on a console without relying on system-specific libraries such as SVGALib or the heavy overhead of the X Window System."
[08:44] <MarcoPau> this is from messages...
[08:49] <MarcoPau> would you please check these lines from my log? http://pastebin.com/yUcrfs17 I can't use my lucid any more cause console is black screen after the first few lines and Xorg has frozen mouse and keyboard...
[08:50] <MarcoPau> what I wanted to try is to disable framebuffer so that I can supposedly run it in single mode and better hack around...
[08:53] <bullgard> MarcoPau: You have got a segfault error. This is a severe error. First check your hardware using a live CD.
[08:55] <MarcoPau> bullgard, what should I check?
[08:56] <MarcoPau> everything works properly here both with live linux and with windows
[09:00] <JoshuaL> is it normal that i have to start cups manually before i can actually print something via a network printer?
[09:02] <bullgard> MarcoPau: If everything works properly at your side, why do you ask here?
[09:04] <MarcoPau> bullgard, because lucid is not working
[09:05] <bullgard> MarcoPau: "is not working" is no exact description where someone could help you.  http://pastebin.com/yUcrfs17 is more meaningful but not enough.
[09:06] <MarcoPau> bullgard: this is what I wrote before: I can't use my lucid any more cause console is black screen after the first few lines and Xorg has frozen mouse and keyboard...
[09:07] <MarcoPau> thus I picked up a live ubuntu and checked my logs
[09:11] <MarcoPau> well let me try blacklisting the fb module and run in single mode
[09:15] <yofel> JoshuaL: printing on my network printer works fine here (HP)
[09:16] <JoshuaL> yofel, it works fine too, after i have to start cups manually..
[09:16] <JoshuaL> after i start cups manually*
[09:17] <yofel> JoshuaL: do you have S50cups in /etc/rc2.d/ ?
[09:17] <JoshuaL>  yofel yes
[09:18] <yofel> it should work then, either the start fails or upstart doesn't try to start it
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> upstart also looks in /etc/init
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> i had a issue with cups after aoms updated last week. I had to reinstall some packages and reconfigure my printers
[09:43] <yofel> Dr_Willis: yes, but cups still has a sys-v-init script which should be run by /etc/init/rc.conf
[09:54] <kklimonda> oh for god's sake - rhythmbox is duplicating all my songs
[09:54] <kklimonda> well, entries
[09:57] <kklimonda> heh, nothing that a quick sed can't fix..
[09:58] <kklimonda> lol, nvidia is not going to support nv driver anymore..
[09:59] <JoshuaL> nv?
[10:00] <kklimonda> their "open source" driver
[10:00] <JoshuaL> ahh
[10:00] <JoshuaL> nothing to worry about then for me
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> yea i saw that in the news..
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> not sure what they did to support it in the past really.....
[10:02] <kklimonda> what sucks more is that they are not willing to help nouveau developers in any way
[10:02] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis: not much - they did update it to run the newer hardware and that's it I think
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> i would like to see intel get into the 3d video card  area more and slap ati and nvidia in the head a bit
[10:12] <bbalajirao> My update manager dies without a trace of error when upgrading from 9.10 to 10.04. Any ideas?
[10:13] <Dr_Willis> runningit from terminal?  seeif any messages show up
[10:15] <bbalajirao> ok
[10:18] <bbalajirao> Dr_Willis:
[10:19] <bbalajirao> Dr_Willis: I got the following few lines of message.-
[10:19] <bbalajirao> ~$ sudo update-manager -d
[10:19] <bbalajirao> [sudo] password for sssi:
[10:19] <bbalajirao> extracting 'lucid.tar.gz'
[10:19] <bbalajirao> authenticate 'lucid.tar.gz' against 'lucid.tar.gz.gpg'
[10:19] <bbalajirao> Traceback (most recent call last):
[10:19] <bbalajirao>   File "/tmp/tmpqIKtxH/lucid", line 3, in <module>
[10:19] <bbalajirao>     from DistUpgradeMain import main
[10:19] <bbalajirao>   File "/tmp/tmpqIKtxH/DistUpgradeMain.py", line 25, in <module>
[10:19] <bbalajirao>     from DistUpgradeController import DistUpgradeController
[10:19] <bbalajirao>   File "/tmp/tmpqIKtxH/DistUpgradeController.py", line 50, in <module>
[10:19] <bbalajirao>     from sourceslist import SourcesList, SourceEntry, is_mirror
[10:19] <bbalajirao>   File "/tmp/tmpqIKtxH/sourceslist.py", line 36, in <module>
[10:19] <bbalajirao>     from apt.deprecation import function_deprecated_by
[10:19] <bbalajirao> ImportError: No module named deprecation
[10:20] <bbalajirao> ~$
[10:20] <yofel> !paste | bbalajirao
[10:20] <bbalajirao> sorry
[10:20] <yofel> bbalajirao: bug 549402
[10:22] <bbalajirao> yofel: see the link- http://paste.ubuntu.com/402321/
[10:22] <axion_> hello
[10:23] <monkey_dust> hi, i am unable to do sudo passwd, hints & tips anyone? http://paste.ubuntu.com/402320/
[10:24] <axion_> I have a problem with running tvtime on lucid lynx system with"00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation 82852/855GM Integrated Graphics Device (rev 02)
[10:24] <axion_> "
[10:25] <axion_> problem started in 9.10 was fixed when setting nomodeset under 9.10, but under lucid lynx if nomodeset is used the system freezes up
[10:25] <yofel> bbalajirao: see the bug report I posted for you, and set the bug as affecting you please (if you have a launchpad account)
[10:26] <axion_> nomodeset is a kernel setting
[10:26] <axion_> was that understandable or am I being very cryptic ?
[10:27] <guntbert> monkey_dust: sudo passwd is not needed - what are you trying to accomplish?
[10:28] <monkey_dust> guntbert, i follow a network course and want to test some things we learned there, using tty1 (ctrl-alt-F1)
[10:29] <guntbert> monkey_dust: still - that command has nothing to do with networking - what is the goal? (of your command)
[10:30] <kklimonda> monkey_dust: if what you are trying to accomplish is enabling root acount there is no need - just log in using your username and password and type sudo -i
[10:30] <monkey_dust> guntbert, never mind the goal, i was just asking for some hints & tips
[10:31] <guntbert> monkey_dust: if you are doing adverse things to your system we are not going to support them
[10:31] <monkey_dust> adverse things? meaning?
[10:32] <yofel> monkey_dust: like setting a root password, ubuntu considers that as a security vulnerability
[10:33] <monkey_dust> that's what we learned yes, it's a course System Management
[10:33] <guntbert> monkey_dust: enabling a root password for instance - is neither needed (like kklimonda already said) nor supported - so if you want help tell us a bit more about what you really want to accomplish
[10:33] <ubsafder>  how do i update to lucid beta ? update-manager does not show any upgrades ?
[10:34] <monkey_dust> guntbert, i want to repeat some exercises, i have no intention to ruin my or others systems :)
[10:34] <ubsafder> i am on DISTRIB_RELEASE=9.10
[10:34] <yofel> ubsafder: run 'update-manager -d'
[10:34] <guntbert> monkey_dust: ok - if you don't want to give us details - fine with me - Good luck :-)
[10:34] <yofel> ubsafder: oh, and please tell us if it errors out on you (start it from a terminal). We had such reports today
[10:35] <ubsafder> there are no error on terminal and nothing shows up
[10:36] <monkey_dust> guntbert, details of the exercise? simple things like fdisk -l, without the sudo :)
[10:36] <yofel> ubsafder: nothing shows up if  you run update-manager -d?
[10:36] <ubsafder> i get the windows but no new software
[10:37] <ubsafder> and nothing on the terminal eiter
[10:37] <yofel> ubsafder: if you run it with -d it should offer you to upgrade to 10.04
[10:37] <guntbert> monkey_dust: no - why do you want to execute sudo passwd - that "guide" was probably written  for some other distro
[10:37] <Tm_T> yofel: shouldn't it offer only after the release?
[10:37] <axion_> upgrades to 10.04 ar only available for 9.10 users
[10:38] <kklimonda> monkey_dust: you can just type sudo -i to get a termporary root shell
[10:38] <yofel> Tm_T: yes, but '-d' means 'show devel releases'
[10:38] <Tm_T> ah, roight, never used that tool
[10:38] <yofel> axion_: not exactly, they're available to 8.04 and 9.10 users
[10:39] <monkey_dust> guntbert, i want to use root, so i dont have to write sudo each time -- i repeat: it is just an exercise, sudo -i does the job :)
[10:39] <axion_> yofel, update-manager doesn't give the option to upgrade to 10.04 on 8.04 or 9.04
[10:39] <ubsafder> can i upgrade editing source.list ?
[10:40] <yofel> axion_: it does on 8.04, but not on 9.04
[10:40] <guntbert> monkey_dust: ok - nice - why couldn't you say so from the start? (I asked for your goal repeatedly)
[10:40] <kklimonda> ubsafder: it's not supported
[10:40] <yofel> axion_: hardy (8.04) is an LTS, and lts->lts upgrades are supported
[10:41] <ubsafder> well but the supported looks broken on my "old"9.10
[10:41] <kklimonda> ubsafder: can you run do-release-upgrade -d from terminal and paste output?
[10:41] <kklimonda> ubsafder: not here, on pastebin.com
[10:43] <ubsafder> here it is http://pastebin.com/SX7TdFHa
[10:44] <kklimonda> ubsafder: is your system up to date?
[10:44] <guntbert> btw as of yesterday Bug #546153  prevents installation from the live CD ( 64bit at least)
[10:44] <ubsafder> yes
[10:45] <ubsafder> apt-get update; apt-get upgrade; shows no package to be installed.....
[10:48] <kklimonda> ubsafder: can you run it as "DEBUG_UPDATE_MANAGER=1 do-release-upgrade -d" ?
[10:49] <ubsafder> http://pastebin.com/X1drYsJf
[10:51] <axion_> too bad it's not avai
[10:51] <axion_> lable to 8.10
[10:51] <kklimonda> what does grep Prompt /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades return?
[10:51] <kklimonda> ubsafder: ^
[10:51] <bbalajirao> ubsafder: here is mine
[10:51] <bbalajirao> http://pastebin.com/us4X36MC
[10:53] <ubsafder> it says i don't have the right on that file
[10:53] <bbalajirao> my paste?
[10:54] <ubsafder> no on /etc/.........
[10:54] <kklimonda> ubsafder: the file should have 0644 permissions and be owned by root:root..
[10:54] <kklimonda> heh, it may break update-manager
[10:54] <ubsafder> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 312 2010-03-07 20:16  /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades
[10:54] <ubsafder> i will change it
[10:55] <kklimonda> ubsafder: -rw-r--r-- is fine but if you have no access to /etc/ you can access files in subdirectories
[10:55] <ubsafder> are you sure of 644 and not 605 ?
[10:56] <axion_> yofel, have you seen my original question regarding tvtime ?
[10:57] <kklimonda> ubsafder: yes - 0644 translates into -rw-r--r-- and 605 makes absoluetely no sense (it's -rw----r-x)
[10:57] <ubsafder> if i need to execute i need x
[10:58] <axion_> sudo yofel, have you seen my original question regarding tvtime ?
[10:59] <kklimonda> ubsafder: you don't want to execut this file
[10:59] <yofel> axion_: I did
[10:59] <yofel> axion_: but i have no idea how to help you, the intel driver in lucid should still support turning off kms
[10:59] <kklimonda> ubsafder: it's a configuration for update-manager and do-release-upgrade and not a script itself
[10:59] <ubsafder> ok i set to 644 still noyhing with do-release-upgrade -d
[10:59] <aigarius> are you guys aware of bug #549292 - it might spawn a bunch of duplicates during this Jam time when a lot of people try to upgrade
[10:59] <yofel> aigarius: yes we are
[11:00] <yofel> aigarius: someone should confirm that bug...
[11:00] <yofel> aigarius: I mean, set status to 'Confirmed'
[11:01] <aigarius> I just got it too, so I'll do that
[11:01] <kklimonda> ubsafder: can your user read content of /etc/update-manager/release-upgrades? what is the value of Prompt?
[11:03] <ubsafder> yes user can see
[11:03] <ubsafder> http://pastebin.com/gT3FXzz7
[11:03] <yofel> axion_: maybe try a different syntax like i915.modeset=0 (or whatever driver lsmod says you use - I'm using i915)
[11:03] <kklimonda> ubsafder: your system is not lts, change it to Prompt=normal
[11:03] <kklimonda> ubsafder: or prompt=normal
[11:04] <axion_> yofel, I am also using i915
[11:04] <kklimonda> ubsaf: you can also change it from software sources
[11:06] <ubsaf> i don't get it ok i see the lucid now
[11:06] <Dimmuxx> is #549247 really fixed? update-initramfs works now but it still complained about two missing files
[11:06] <kklimonda> bug 549247
[11:07] <kklimonda> Dimmuxx: make sure you system is up to date
[11:07] <axion_> I will try it yofel
[11:08] <ubsaf> hmm xsane is not supported is there a scanner soft in lucid ?
[11:08] <kklimonda> ubsaf: there is Simple Scan
[11:09] <Dimmuxx> kklimonda: I did just run an update and upgrade
[11:09] <Dimmuxx> update-initramfs: Generating /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-17-generic
[11:09] <Dimmuxx> grep: /lib/plymouth/themes/text.plymouth: No such file or directory
[11:09] <Dimmuxx> grep: /lib/plymouth/themes/default.plymouth: No such file or directory
[11:09] <kklimonda> Dimmuxx: is your version of plymouth 0.8.1-1ubuntu1 ?
[11:10] <ubsaf> will that also remove the 10 or so  kernel in my grub ?
[11:10] <monkey_dust> Dimmuxx, gebruik lieve deze site om meerlijnige foutboodschappen te tonen => http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[11:10] <Dimmuxx> kklimonda: yepp
[11:10] <kklimonda> Dimmuxx: your system isn't up to date - both files exist on my computer.
[11:11] <Dimmuxx> are you running 64bit?
[11:11] <monkey_dust> oops, wrong window, wrong language
[11:11] <kklimonda> Dimmuxx: yes
[11:11] <Dimmuxx> kklimonda: only 32bit is/was broken
[11:12] <kklimonda> Dimmuxx: but still you should have both plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text and plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo packages installed already
[11:14] <kalib> Hi there.
[11:14] <kalib> When 10.04 will be available for download? I mean... the final release.. not only beta.
[11:14] <kklimonda> 29th april
[11:14] <Dimmuxx> kklimonda: Installing them fixed the problem so thanks, but now the question is why the weren't installed automaticially
[11:14] <kklimonda> Dimmuxx: do you have ubuntu-standard installed?
[11:15] <Dimmuxx> yes
[11:15] <kklimonda> Dimmuxx: what version?
[11:15] <Dimmuxx> 1.193
[11:15] <kklimonda> Dimmuxx: also have you disabled installing recommended packages?
[11:15] <kalib> kklimonda, thanks
[11:16] <Dimmuxx> kklimonda: nope it's enabled
[11:18] <kklimonda> then I have no idea - ubuntu-standard should pull both packages on upgrade - it did for me
[11:18] <axion_> yofel, i915.modeset=0 gives me the same problem as nomodeset.. blank screen with no keyboard or mouse control.. alt-sysreq doesn't even work
[11:18] <yofel> axion_: and what do you get wit kms on again?
[11:19] <axion_> normal boot
[11:19] <yofel> axion_: then why do you want to turn it off again?
[11:19] <yofel> tv...something?
[11:20] <axion_> yofel, it's the only way tvtime will work.
[11:22] <deanus> setting new account up on U1 and when I click subscibe and add computer I get page error (http://localhost:45837)
[11:22] <kklimonda> u1 in lucid is a pita
[11:24] <kklimonda> really, I have no idea how long has dropbox been developed before official release but U1 has made almost no visual progress in the last year.
[11:24] <Dimmuxx> kklimonda: just checked my other computer with lucid and it doesn't install those packages automaticially either
[11:25] <axion_> any other analog tv software that's "stavble" ?
[11:25] <axion_> "stable" ?
[11:25] <kklimonda> Dimmuxx: anything held back?
[11:25] <dougalb> hi
[11:26] <dougalb> is anybody running 10.04 beta amd64?
[11:26] <kklimonda> dougalb: yes
[11:26] <yofel> dougalb: most of us
[11:26] <yofel> (ok, not sure about amd64), I do at least
[11:26] <dougalb> i am having issues getting Citrix client working inside test system (following https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CitrixICAClientHowTo )
[11:26] <Dimmuxx> kklimonda: yes but ntfs-related and doing dist-upgrade doesn't install them either
[11:26] <dougalb> has anyone setup Citrix yet?
[11:27] <kklimonda> Dimmuxx: I wonder if that's because you have upgraded ubuntu-standard when some packages were on hold..
[11:28] <Dimmuxx> I haven't updated it yet, it will be updated though
[11:29] <Dimmuxx> or wait nevermind
[11:31] <Dimmuxx> I only checked the upgrade list, they were in new list. doh!
[11:31] <Dimmuxx> but still weird that they weren't installed on my netbook automaticially
[11:39] <Dimmuxx> kklimonda: the problem is that doing apt-get upgrade doesn't hold back ubuntu-standard
[11:40] <Dimmuxx> apt-get dist-upgrade when ubuntu-standard is going to be upgraded installs the packages properly
[11:40] <dougalb> solved it :-) missing ia32-libs
[11:41] <kklimonda> Dimmuxx: right - that's probably because ubuntu-standard just recommends those packages and don't depend on them
[11:43] <Dimmuxx> yeah makes sense
[11:44] <Dimmuxx> but they should probably be marked as depend on since they are needed
[11:44] <dougalb> maybe ia32-libs should be part of default packages?
[11:44] <|eagles0513875|> hey guys is there a problem with the upgrade from karmic to lucid on ubuntu server
[11:45] <|eagles0513875|> i get the following error message during the upgrade process E: couldnt configure pre-depend libplymouth2 for mountall, probably a dependency cycle
[11:46] <yofel> |eagles0513875|: make sure there's a but filed, and then try to install the lib with 'sudo dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libplymouth2*.deb' if it's already downloaded
[11:46] <yofel> s/but/bug
[11:47] <|eagles0513875|> its aborting the upgrade yofel
[11:48] <aigarius> yofel: looks like #549292 has been fixed on the server. can someone confirm?
[11:48] <yofel> bug 549292
[11:48] <yofel> aigarius: ah, just wanted to post the new package info on the bug ^^
[11:49] <aigarius> yofel, I'll leave it to you to close the bug, but I can confirm that it worked for me just now
[11:50] <|eagles0513875|> yofel: do you know if libplymouth2 has been blacklisted?
[11:50] <yofel> |eagles0513875|: no, it's required by mountall, seems to be a dependency error like dpkg says
[11:51] <|eagles0513875|> yofel: an work arounds or anythign to get it installed
[11:54] <yofel> |eagles0513875|: like I said, try to fetch the .deb files from the server and install them with dpkg --force-depends (thus ignoring the dependency system)
[11:54] <yofel> if you do something wrong apt will fix it
[11:55] <yofel> |eagles0513875|: did it abort the upgrade before or after downloading the packages?
[11:55] <|eagles0513875|> ya aborted before it started the upgrade
[11:55] <|eagles0513875|> do i use dpkg or somethign to fetch the deb file
[12:03] <deanus> well about 20mins after click "sync on ubuntu one" its starting to sync the folder... very stuttery stoppy starty tho
[12:03] <kklimonda> deanus: well, the u1 experience is still far from perfect
[12:07] <deanus> well about 20mins after click "sync on ubuntu one" its starting to sync the folder... very stuttery stoppy starty tho/
[12:08] <deanus> So, after Ive set these folders (outside of the ubuntuone folder) to sync if I reinstall and click sync the (empty) folders, will it download the files into them or just empty whats on U1?
[12:08] <kklimonda> no idea
[12:08] <kklimonda> you should ask on #ubuntuone
[12:16] <vish> anyone using vuze 4.3.1.4 ?
[12:16] <vish> i notice a lot of azureus logging in the ~/.xsession-errors > http://paste.ubuntu.com/402359/
[12:17] <vish> is there any way to prevent this logging? i start vuze from cairo-dock using "/home/vish/.vuze/vuze" as the command
[12:29] <phillw> hiyas good people, is there a bug raised for the usb 3G modems not working ?
[12:32] <kklimonda> maybe, maybe not
[12:34] <phillw> kklimonda: I've seen two reports in the last couple of hours, so dug mine out that was working in alpha1, and sure enough it no longer works :-(
[12:36] <monkey_dust> phillw, try installing usb-modeswitch
[12:37] <phillw> monkey_dust: thanks, installing now :-)
[12:41] <phillw> monkey_dust: well, it can see that it has windows stuff on it but does not seem to have done anything
[12:50] <deanus> cool...my writer works now
[12:59] <Hew> I just did a dist-upgrade from 9.10 netbook remix to 10.04 netbook edition. I noticed the ubuntu-netbook-remix package was removed, rather than upgraded to the transitional package. Is this something I should file a bug about, or is it one of these "transitional" problems that is to be expected before release?
[13:03] <yofel> Hew: I wouldn't worry about it as long as the 'ubuntu-netbook' package was installed replacing -remix
[13:03] <Hew> yofel, it was not, I had to install it manually
[13:03] <Hew> yofel, installing the ubuntu-netbook-remix package would cause ubuntu-netbook to install via depends
[13:04] <Hew> it was removed, and I was notified of its removal during the upgrade, but it's still something that shouldn't be happening
[13:04] <yofel> Hew: file a bug then, the meta packages are there to ensure that the upgrade works as expected
[13:05] <Hew> I've just heard of "transitional" problems with upgrades and dist-upgrades before, so wanted to make sure it wasn't just an issue with archive at the time I chose to upgrade
[13:05] <kklimonda> Hew: did you use dist-upgrade or update-manager?
[13:05] <Hew> kklimonda, update-manager -d
[13:08] <fabio333> hi there! i know now why fonts suck with ff 3.6
[13:09] <fabio333> about:buildconfig ->--disable-system-cairo
[13:09] <kklimonda> fabio333: yes, it's a know issue
[13:09] <thiebaude> i dont have any font issues with ff3.6
[13:09] <fabio333> but why?
[13:10] <kklimonda> fabio333: because to distribute branded Firefox we can't divert from upstream
[13:10] <kklimonda> fabio333: I know developers were discussing with Mozilla if we can use system cairo instead or what would be the right solution
[13:11] <fabio333> with cairo on ff uses the system fonts (which is ok)
[13:12] <kklimonda> fabio333: it's a legal problem, not a technical one - we have to get ok from Mozilla Foundation to change this setting
 still there?
[13:17] <kklimonda> ?
[13:18] <fabio333> you know something about kms not working on old ati cards?
[13:19] <fabio333> when enabled my monitor starts to flash or blink... so i have to start with radeon.modeset=0
[13:19] <thiebaude> when i click shutdown the computer restarts
[13:19] <kklimonda> fabio333: not really - I know that there are some problems with KMS on some hardware but no details
[13:20] <kklimonda> thiebaude: does it also happen when you shut it down from terminal (sudo shutdown -h now)?
[13:20] <fabio333> ok thanl u
[13:20] <thiebaude> let me try that CLI command kklimonda
[13:20] <thiebaude> brb
[13:21] <thiebaude> Try `shutdown --help' for more information
[13:22] <tatsubi> hi
[13:22] <thiebaude> whne i did sudo shutdown
[13:22] <thiebaude> kklimonda,
[13:22] <tatsubi> someone need help with shutdown?
[13:22] <thiebaude> yes please
[13:22] <thiebaude> tatsubi,
[13:22] <tatsubi> what do you need help with?
[13:22] <kklimonda> thiebaude: full "sudo shutdown -h now"
[13:22] <thiebaude> when i click shutdown from the panel the computer restarts
[13:22] <tatsubi> ahh
[13:23] <thiebaude> ok
[13:24] <tatsubi> anyone know where I could place a regression bug report?
[13:25] <yofel> tatsubi: what kind of regression?
[13:25] <penguin42> tatsubi: Just in the normal place just put regression in the title and describe what it used to work on
[13:25] <tatsubi> penguin42, do you have a url for it?
[13:25] <penguin42> (Is there a regression tag?)
[13:25] <thiebaude> kklimonda, still the same, it just restarts
[13:25] <penguin42> tatsubi: What's the bug you've got?
[13:26] <tatsubi> when I installed 10.04 every time I got to start it, it freezes at the loading screen, when I switch to display 0 it shows
[13:26] <thiebaude> everything else in 10.04 is great
[13:26] <avar> In the past I turned off the Ubuntu splash screen (kernel issues). Now I'd like to turn it on again but I can't find where in the grub2 maze
[13:26] <tatsubi> ext3-fs error (device sda6) ext_find_entry_reading_dir #44032 offset 0 >_>
[13:26] <penguin42> tatsubi: What do you mean by 'switch to display 0'?
[13:27] <yofel> penguin42: there are several tags (regression-potential would be the right one right now)
[13:27] <biberao> hello
[13:27] <tatsubi> ctrl + shift + f1
[13:27] <yofel> tatsubi: ^
[13:27] <penguin42> avar: Possibly the GRUB_TERMINAL=console line in /etc/default/grub ?
[13:27] <tatsubi> yofel: I figure it is something to do with the sata drivers
[13:27] <biberao> ive upgraded to lucid and now i doesnt say Grub loading and i need to choose esct and some things any idea?
[13:28] <penguin42> biberao: Hit left-shift just as it's about to loa, left-shift is the new escape
[13:28]  * eagles0513875 is getting frustrated with the upgrade
[13:28]  * tatsubi sympathizes with eagles0513875 
[13:28] <avar> penguin42: That's commented out on my box
[13:29] <eagles0513875> tatsubi: trying to upgrade my server from karmic to lucid beta and its bitching and moaning about libplymouth2
[13:29] <biberao> penguin42 it doesnt say grub loading
[13:29] <penguin42> avar: Hmm me to
[13:29] <biberao> can i choose shift load on saying ubuntu thingy?
[13:29] <yofel> tatsubi: can you login in some way?
[13:29] <tatsubi> yofel, nopes
[13:29] <kklimonda> thiebaude: report a bug against kernel (ubuntu-bug linux)
[13:30] <tatsubi> yofel, it shows a login user name on the different displays but after entering it just comes up with that error again
[13:30] <thiebaude> ok i will, thanks kklimonda
[13:30] <tatsubi> and freezes
[13:30] <biberao> doesnt seem to the trick penguin42 :|
[13:30] <penguin42> biberao: Hold shift down just as you see the last BIOS thing you see and keep it held down
[13:31] <tatsubi> also when I try changing back to the default display (f7) it says "could no write bytes - pipe broken"
[13:31] <yofel> thiebaude: what does 'sudo shutdown -P now' do? (that should be forced poweroff)
[13:31] <tatsubi> biberao, the other left?
[13:31] <thiebaude> i'll try that yo
[13:31] <thiebaude> yofel,
[13:31] <biberao> i cant even see bios
[13:31] <biberao> :|
[13:31] <tatsubi> :O
[13:31] <penguin42> biberao: Hey?!
[13:32] <biberao> tatsubi funny :P
[13:32] <biberao> penguin42 i cant see any bios info
[13:32] <biberao> its too fast
[13:32]  * tatsubi chuckles
[13:32] <tatsubi> as soon as you hear the computer powering up then, tap it like you want rsi?
[13:32] <biberao> ok
[13:32] <biberao> it worked
[13:32] <biberao> thanks
[13:32] <biberao> another thing
[13:33] <biberao> i have another pc with ubuntu karmic and it doesnt boot it stays black
[13:33] <biberao> i choose recovering mode and doesnt gives me any good options it stays all mixed up is there a way to interrupt X?
[13:34] <tatsubi> ctrl + alt + shift + f1?
[13:34] <thiebaude> yofel, yea it restarts the computer
[13:34] <tatsubi> :O
[13:34] <yofel> thiebaude: ok, then really file a bug against linux
[13:34] <thiebaude> if i click shutdown from the panel it says something about plymouth
[13:35] <thiebaude> yofel, ok
[13:35] <Jaymac> is the artwork reversion just temporary?
[13:35] <yofel> well yeah, but the actual poweroff/reboot instruction is the kernels job
[13:35] <Jaymac> i'm seeing the old ubuntu logo on boot and shutdown at the moment
[13:35] <Jaymac> oh, never mind - i see there are plymouth updates waiting for me
[13:35] <Kalidarn> is a 64bit version planned for UNR?
[13:35] <thiebaude> yofel, but otherwise everything is ok
[13:36] <biberao> ok thx
[13:36] <yofel> thiebaude: then good, but it still shouldn't reboot on poweroff ^^
[13:36] <biberao> anyone knows the command for grub to list all the devices?
[13:36] <thiebaude> exactly
[13:36] <thiebaude> i'll get into launchpad
[13:37] <penguin42> biberao: I tend just to use tab complete after a (
[13:37] <yofel> thiebaude: like we said, run 'ubuntu-bug linux' to file the bug, that will open LP
[13:37] <thiebaude> ok from the terminal
[13:37] <Kalidarn> the MSI U130 series have the new N450 processor
[13:37] <thiebaude> i sound like a newbe, lol
[13:37] <Kalidarn> http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodpage2&maincat_no=135&cat2_no=582
[13:38] <thiebaude> been using ubuntu since 6.06
[13:38] <Kalidarn>  lol
[13:38] <tatsubi> haha
[13:38] <tatsubi> just as long as I have Kalidarn
[13:38] <Kalidarn> visit #ubuntu for 5 seconds
[13:38] <penguin42> thiebaude: The grub2 changes make things a bit strange don't they!
[13:38] <yofel> Kalidarn: I asked the same question in #ubuntu-devel once - was ignored :/
[13:38] <biberao> doesnt seem to work
[13:38] <Kalidarn> and you'll feel like hitting your head on the wall
[13:38] <biberao> thanks
[13:38] <thiebaude> yes i agree
[13:38] <Kalidarn> one guy was asking how to download 'youtube' videos
[13:38] <Kalidarn> turns out he wanted a redtube video downloaded
[13:39] <tatsubi> umm
[13:39] <Kalidarn> and err when i said well safari can do it, and i can rapidshare it
[13:39] <Kalidarn> he linked a furry sex video LOL
[13:39] <Kalidarn> it was lol
[13:39] <tatsubi> lol
[13:39] <Kalidarn> and he got all embarassed
[13:39] <tatsubi> why not just tell him to download an addon for it?
[13:39] <tatsubi> >_>
[13:39] <Kalidarn> i was liek "anon understands"
[13:39] <tatsubi> <_<
[13:39] <tatsubi> LOL
[13:39] <thiebaude> command not found
[13:39] <Kalidarn> the addon didn't work with redtube
[13:39] <Kalidarn> safari lets you capture the stream
[13:39] <tatsubi> haha
[13:39] <thiebaude> ubuntu-bug-linux
[13:40] <tatsubi> you should be able to capture it with gstreamer anyway
[13:40] <yofel> thiebaude: ubuntu-bug linux not ubuntu-bug-linux
[13:40] <thiebaude> ok thanks
[13:40] <Kalidarn> tatsubi: probably i hadn't done that before though
[13:40] <tatsubi> Kalidarn, same
[13:40] <Kalidarn> so does anyone know if the 10.04 UNR will come in a amd64?
[13:40] <thiebaude> yofel, got it
[13:41] <Kalidarn> because coming only in i386 is rather lame
[13:41] <tatsubi> what is unr?
[13:41] <Kalidarn> ubuntu netbook remix
[13:41] <Kalidarn> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download-netbook
[13:41] <tatsubi> not sure
[13:41] <thiebaude> am i using an upstream kernel?
[13:41] <Kalidarn> is there a place we can make a request for it?
[13:41] <tatsubi> give me a second to check something
[13:41] <yofel> Kalidarn: I'll ask in -devel again, maybe I'll get an answer this time
[13:41] <biberao> byebye
[13:42] <Kalidarn> okay thanks
[13:42] <kklimonda> isn't UNR just another set of packages?
[13:42] <Kalidarn> yeah it installs a different desktop too
[13:43] <kklimonda> even if there is no install image you can always get alternative, install the base system and ubuntu-netbook metapackage
[13:43] <yofel> possible workaround would be to install 64 desktop and add ubuntu-netbook to it
[13:44] <Kalidarn> yeah could do that
[13:44]  * yofel votes for kklimondas instructions
[13:44] <Kalidarn> unless it uses alternate repos
[13:44] <yofel> the repos is the same
[13:44] <Kalidarn> that dont have amd64 support
[13:44] <tatsubi> http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/ :(
[13:45] <droke> Hello, is fglrx broken currently in lucid? I tried installing the fglrx-ubuntu5 package but it fails to build into my kernel. It is complaining in the log about kernel versioning. Thanks.
[13:46] <tatsubi> I thought they were doing away with fglrx drivers in 10.04
[13:46] <mnemoc> hi, in xubuntu 10.04 (since beta1, but now fully updated), anyone experiencing problems with thunar's file browser? when just opened one can select files and open the context menu on them just fine, but if you select another directory the files list becomes untouchable
[13:46] <yofel> tatsubi: nope, it just took ati ages to release a driver that works in lucid
[13:46] <tatsubi> x_x
[13:47] <droke> tatsubi, with .32 the driver builds but fails to run. with .33 and .34rc it fails to build.
[13:47] <penguin42> yofel: Having said that, the open source drivers are now pretty respectable for a lot of stuff - google earth for example is fine with them
[13:47]  * tatsubi nods
[13:47] <kklimonda> droke: onl .32 is supported
[13:47] <kklimonda> droke: if it fails to run than it's a bug and you should report it
[13:48] <yellabs> hi there
[13:48] <yellabs> does ubuntu 10.04 not work in virtualbox?
[13:49] <kklimonda> yellabs: non on karmic versioun
[13:49] <droke> kklimonda, with .32 is will install the package but trying to execute aticonfig or catalyst center for example fails. Complains about "driver not properly installed".
[13:49] <tatsubi> :(
[13:49] <kklimonda> droke: report it
[13:49] <AlexZion> hi everyone, I just update my experimental desk , from kubuntu 9.10 to 10.04 beta 1 and everything went fine , except for the panel ....so when I restart my system , it was without panel ...., I already fix it , but it was just to laet you know. ..
[13:49]  * penguin42 hasn't been able to get the 10.04 netbook version to work in Lucid KVM - something is very broken with the graphics
[13:49] <tatsubi> R300 drivers shoud be better
[13:50] <yellabs> Ubuntu 9.04 - de Jaunty Jackalope  does not install 10.4 in virtualbox
[13:50] <tatsubi> lol
[13:50] <yofel> AlexZion: make sure there's a bug filed so that the developers know of it ;)
[13:50] <AlexZion> ahh , and another important thing , I already had kde 4.4.1
[13:50] <kklimonda> yellabs: same thing - you have to boot lucid with acpi=off
[13:51] <yellabs> ok
[13:51] <AlexZion> yofe, where should I do it ?
[13:51] <yellabs> thanks for the infp
[13:51] <yofel> AlexZion: if you're unsure ask in #ubuntu-bugs for instructions, I'm not sure which package you should file this against
[13:52] <yofel> AlexZion: anything happened with kde?
[13:52] <AlexZion> ok yofel I'll try in that channel ....
[13:53] <yellabs> okey, sofar so good, is there no oem install on ubuntu 10.04?
[13:53] <kklimonda> it's pointless - upgrading systems that have various PPAs installed is like playing russian roulette
[13:53] <yellabs> do i need alternate cd for that?
[13:55] <kklimonda> yellabs: wasn't it always on the alternative cd?
[13:57] <NathanBDot> Hey all. I've been at this for 2 LONG days (straight). The issue is with nVidia. I started on 9.10 and changed to 10.04 in hopes it'd be better, but it isn't....
[13:57] <NathanBDot> Here's the problem:
[13:57] <yellabs> ah found it
[13:57] <yellabs> its in the F4 menu
[13:57] <yellabs> of the first splash
[13:57] <tatsubi> ^.^
[13:59] <NathanBDot> I have a dual-screen setup. My primary is a VGA 1024x800 screen and the other is connected via HDMI (1680x1050).
[13:59] <yellabs> testing oem install righ tnow
[13:59] <NathanBDot>   The VGA is fine and it detects the 2nd screen, but it won't detect that it's HDMI and it can't find any default settings.
[14:00] <tatsubi> brb restarting xorg
[14:00] <NathanBDot> Including native resolutions
[14:00] <dviertl1> Hy there, did I miss something or window control buttons are back to the right?
[14:00] <penguin42> NathanBDot: I don't know NVidia foo, but if all else fails you can try adding the mode using xrandr
[14:01] <bazhang> !controls | dviertl1
[14:01] <dviertl1> thank you
[14:01] <yellabs> i wonder if an oem install removes the use of root acces?
[14:02] <NathanBDot> penguin42: Can you help me out with that? I /am/ a bit new at this.
[14:02] <kklimonda> what root access?
[14:02] <yellabs> i had to give a password as root, so i guess the new user has no root password
[14:02] <kklimonda> dviertl1: they are not back to the right
[14:02] <yellabs> or just the one that i , as oem installer would give,
[14:02] <penguin42> NathanBDot: Porbably the right answer is to try uninstalling and reinstalling the nvidia drivers, but as I say I'm not an nvidia guy
[14:03] <yellabs> ah , questions questions
[14:03] <penguin42> NathanBDot: If you run 'xrandr' at a command line what do you get?
[14:03] <kklimonda> dviertl1: unless you are using a different theme - controls on the left has always been intended only for light-themes
[14:03] <yellabs> if he has got nvidia drivers then he has the nvidia tools
[14:04] <kklimonda> yellabs: it doesn't sound right - oem shouldn't really set any passwords at the installation stage.
[14:04] <yellabs> now he has to make an xorg config, for nvidia tools to write to, and he can set arguments there , so the next time he sets it up its saved..
[14:04] <kklimonda> yellabs: unless the oem account is password protected
[14:04] <NathanBDot> penguin42: Ya, I've tried uninstalling/reinstalling; also tried several different versions of the drivers to no avail.  Here's what I get when I run xrandr: http://pastebin.com/x3jfeFG7
[14:05] <yellabs> i am testing an oem install , see how it works, and i agree
[14:05] <dviertl1> kklimonda: I think I mess up a little my distribution
[14:05] <yellabs> its not right for setting an root password by default
[14:05] <penguin42> NathanBDot: Can you remind me what your setup is in terms of monitors?
[14:05] <yellabs> just have to wait for the install to finish and see if its really the case
[14:06] <yellabs> i might think the new user should set his / her password when booting the new system
[14:06] <NathanBDot> I have a dual-screen setup. My primary is a VGA 1024x800 screen (right) and the other is connected via HDMI (1680x1050 - left). HDMI screen = LG Flatron L206WU
[14:07] <NathanBDot> yellabs: When you were talking about nvidia, were you referencing my problem or someone elses?
[14:07] <kklimonda> dviertl1: ?
[14:07] <yellabs> yours
[14:07] <penguin42> NathanBDot: Hmm that isn't showing that at all - I suspect that the Nviddia stuff is hiding it - you need to find an nvidia user
[14:08] <NathanBDot> yellabs: Can you explain what you meant.  I'm a bit new to Linux/Ubuntu so you might have to use some smaller words (but I pick things up fast) :)
[14:08] <tatsubi> have you tried going to hardware drivers NathanBDot ?
[14:08] <NathanBDot> penguin42: Ya, it basically just allows the absolute lowest settings possible since it can't detect the defaults
[14:09] <NathanBDot> tatsubi: yep. I've tried installing every version of the driver possible.  on 9.10 and 10.04
[14:09] <tatsubi> if you install one of the drivers there it should install something like nvidia-xserver-settings
[14:09] <NathanBDot> tatsubi: yep it's installed already
[14:09] <dviertl1> kklimonda: try different settings   play with my Lucid Lynx and forget what I did definitely nothing  to worry about  :)
[14:09] <tatsubi> ahh got ya
[14:09] <yellabs> NathanBDot what version of ubuntu?
[14:09] <tatsubi> so it is only showing two screens in the settings
[14:10] <NathanBDot> yellabs: i'm on 10.04 right now.
[14:10] <yellabs> oh , nice
[14:10] <NathanBDot> one sec and I'll send you screenshots of my nvidia settings
[14:11] <sara_> hi every time i try and play linkin park in rhythembox my pc (lucid lynx) freezes - the entire system though docky works fine
[14:11] <yellabs> NathanBDot, if you change settings with nvidia settings, does it save , or does it give an error that it cant find xorg.conf?
[14:11] <yellabs> try bach? :)
[14:11] <tatsubi> sara: it's saving your ears... joking
[14:12] <sara_> tatsubi: personal choice
[14:12] <tatsubi> sara: what file format is it in?
[14:12] <sara_> mp3
[14:12] <tatsubi> mp3?
[14:12] <yellabs> sara , would you like to try an other player?
[14:12] <sara_> god no
[14:12] <tatsubi> did you install the restricted extras?
[14:12] <fabio333> like audacious
[14:12] <tatsubi> ew
[14:12] <sara_> tatsubi: yes
[14:12] <tatsubi> rhythmbox is the best :)
[14:12] <sara_> it does play other files
[14:12] <kklimonda> sara_: and it only happen with this single band?
[14:12] <tatsubi> ahhs
[14:12] <penguin42> sara_: Wacky problem!  the only thing I can guess is maybe those files are broken in some way on disc or their is a bad sector?
[14:12]  * kklimonda thinks it a sign from God..
[14:13]  * tatsubi chuckles
[14:13] <sara_> this track it plays 30 seconds in and then panics
[14:13] <yellabs> sara_ you could play them with totem too
[14:13] <tatsubi> so it is just one file?
[14:13] <sara_> i have the process running now - switched to text mode and use irssi
[14:13] <yellabs> and see how that goes,
[14:13] <tatsubi> ahhs
[14:13] <yellabs> hmm
[14:13] <penguin42> sara_: Does it actually give an 'oops' with a traceback?
[14:14] <sara_> no nothing just it freezes
[14:14] <yellabs> !audacious
[14:14] <NathanBDot> yellabs: Failed to parse existing X config file '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'!
[14:14] <yellabs> ah spelled wrong
[14:14] <tatsubi> sara_ did you change any of the pulseaudio settings?
[14:14] <sara_> its like it's playing a very annoying game of silent statues - ok enough already kids party is over i tell you
[14:14] <NathanBDot> yellabs: (that's a direct copy-paste)
[14:14]  * tatsubi smells the beating of a dead donkey
[14:15] <yellabs> NathanBDot, i see
[14:15] <sara_> tatsubi no i upgraded the pulseaudio the other day when that was released
[14:15] <BUGabundo> bRoas
[14:15] <NathanBDot> yellabs: ...then it asked me for sudo access and it saved a new file (i think)
[14:16] <tatsubi> sara_ only thing I can think of is doing the installer part here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PulseAudio :(
[14:16] <NathanBDot> yellabs: Hmm... looks like it saved.  But I'm still only given (at best) 640x480 option.
[14:16] <penguin42> sara_: See if you can take a copy of the audio files involved somewhere else
[14:17]  * sara_ looks at git and sneers (the programme that is) lmao - anyone used it? i dont like some of the repo's not used the programme nore cvs
[14:17] <sara_> kk penguin42
[14:17] <tatsubi> something handy for pulse/asla:$ pulseaudio -k; sudo alsa reload; pulseaudio --start;
[14:18] <yellabs> hmm, i have to go in a minute
[14:18] <sara_> i may
[14:18] <tatsubi> sara_ youtube?
[14:19] <yellabs> but basicly you have to create an xorg.conf
[14:19] <sara_> i am a tube yeah
[14:19] <sara_> lol
[14:19] <tatsubi> lmao
[14:19] <tatsubi> savetube?
[14:19] <sara_> umm brb after i tried that pulse audio thing tatsubi  said
[14:19]  * tatsubi nods
[14:20] <yellabs> NathanBDot, i give you some site to read
[14:20] <yellabs> and then if you cant get it, or have questions please come back here
[14:20] <yellabs> http://eubolist.wordpress.com/2010/02/07/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-dual-screen-with-nvidia-geforce-mx-460-and-nvidia-glx-96-legacy-driver/
[14:20] <NathanBDot> yellabs: tatsubi: http://hellologic.com/img/nvidia.png
[14:21] <yellabs> please bookmark the above link and take a rad for a minute...
[14:21] <NathanBDot> yellabs: checking it out...
[14:21] <tatsubi> thanks NathanBDot
[14:21] <NathanBDot> yellabs: (thanks :) )
[14:21] <yellabs> have to go , be back in half an hour
[14:21] <yellabs> good luck
[14:21] <NathanBDot> yellabs: cool.  thanks again :)
[14:21] <tatsubi> take care yellabs
[14:21] <tatsubi> damn I wish I could just boot up my old machine to check which setting is for the displays
[14:23] <NathanBDot> ...What nvidia version number is "version current"??
[14:23] <NathanBDot> I have the option of "version 173" and "version current"
[14:24] <yofel> NathanBDot: current is 195
[14:24] <sara_> k that hasnt unfrozen the process
[14:24] <NathanBDot> yofel: thanks :)
[14:24] <sara_> howd i reload x ?
[14:24] <tatsubi> wb sara_
[14:24] <tatsubi> sara_, logging out and logging back in
[14:25] <tatsubi> is the easiest way of reloading x
[14:25] <sara_> but thatb will loose all the info you need to debug this issue
[14:25] <tatsubi> damn
[14:25] <tatsubi> umm
[14:25] <NathanBDot> sara_: i believe if you enable the ctrl+alt+backspace hotkey, that'd do it
[14:25] <tatsubi> save the info somewhere?
[14:26]  * sara_ has a personal aim to get her local government to use Ubuntu when they upgrade from xp
[14:26] <tatsubi> win
[14:26] <NathanBDot> ...not exactly sure what ctrl+alt+backspace does though (I just read it somewhere)
[14:26] <arand> NathanBDot: 195.36.15-0ubuntu1 more precisely, package nvidia-glx-185
[14:26] <tatsubi> NathanBDot, it will make her logout
[14:26] <arand> "version current" is pretty poor wording in my opinion, althoug logical ("version $number")
[14:26] <NathanBDot> tatsubi: ...hm. ok.
[14:26] <sara_> NathanBDot: i am NOT a window$ user :(
[14:27] <sara_> humph
[14:27]  * sara_ is insulted 
[14:27] <sara_> lol
[14:27] <NathanBDot> sara_: ...never said you were...
[14:27] <tatsubi> sara_, I administrate window desktops from my ubuntu machine *grins*
[14:27] <sara_> ctrl+alt+delete is a windo$ move
[14:27] <tatsubi> ctrl + alt + backspace isn't?
[14:27] <the_dark_warrio> Where is the Maximuze plugin for compiz? I can't find it any more in Lucid (In compizconfig-settings-manager)
[14:28] <arand> sara_: alt+sysreq+k if things are froozen...
[14:28] <NathanBDot> arand: ya - all the other nvidia drivers have the number.  i can understand why they'd say current, but it should say something like "version $num (current)"
[14:28] <BUGabundo> tatsubi: CAD was there long before windows was even though
[14:28] <yofel> c+a+b was kill X a while ago, c+a+d still reboots the machine (at least from tty)
[14:28] <sara_> arand: is that the one between ctrl and alt?
[14:28] <vish> sara_: to restart X : SysRq+Alt+K
[14:28] <tatsubi> BUGabundo, aye :D
[14:28] <sara_> kk
[14:29] <BUGabundo> yofel: to be more precise, CAD on a tty sends a sig 9 to init1
[14:29] <NathanBDot> sara_: ya, I said ctrl+alt+backspace (not delete)
[14:29] <vish> oops , arand was faster :p
[14:29] <yofel> BUGabundo: ah, didn't know that, thx
[14:29] <sara_> ahhh NathanBDot sowwy i was jokin anyway
[14:29] <BUGabundo> NathanBDot: please keep up with times, CAB has been disabled upstream LONG agon
[14:29] <arand> sara_: sysreq is somewhere around printscreen and those odd butoons
[14:30]  * vish has it with prnt scrn
[14:30] <NathanBDot> BUGabundo: I know :) That's why I said "if you enable..."
[14:30] <NathanBDot> ;)
[14:30] <arand> vish: and you're in the wrong order :þ
[14:30] <sara_> exit
[14:30] <vish> arand: righto..
[14:31] <arand> Seems like it worked...
[14:31] <tatsubi> yeap sysreq is printscreen on my keyboard
[14:31] <BUGabundo> NathanBDot: should have been: "if your distro carries the patch that allows you to enable it"
[14:31] <tatsubi> just had to test :)
[14:32] <BUGabundo> tatsubi: LOOOL
[14:32] <tatsubi> hehehehe
[14:32] <NathanBDot> BUGabundo: ...install the package?
[14:32] <tatsubi> still have no idea how to report a bug about a different version
[14:33] <yofel> tatsubi: lol, if you just wanted to test it you could have gone to a tty and pressed alt+sysrq+h ^^
[14:33] <vish> BUGabundo: wonder how many times lool gets pined for lol ;p
[14:33] <vish> pinged*
[14:33] <tatsubi> yofel, I could have but I wanted to just try it :)
[14:33] <yofel> ^^
[14:33] <tatsubi> ^.^
[14:33] <BUGabundo> vish: ?
[14:33] <the_dark_warrio> On Karmic, I used to install compizconfig-settings-manager an enable the "Maximuze" plug-in, but I can't find it in Lucid. Any hints?
[14:34] <BUGabundo> the_dark_warrio: no hints! it was dropped
[14:34] <vish> BUGabundo: sometimes people add extra oo in lol , and we have "lool" in several channels Loic
[14:34] <arand> dontzap package has also been depracated for a while right, enabling is done in advanced keyboard layout preferences
[14:34] <tatsubi> sorry I can't even get karmic to start
[14:34] <BUGabundo> along with several other nice and useful plugins
[14:34] <BUGabundo> please feel free to apply to maintain them, the_dark_warrio
[14:34] <the_dark_warrio> BUGabundo: ohh :(
[14:34] <BUGabundo> vish: ah
[14:35] <tatsubi> I mean lucid not karmic opps
[14:35] <BUGabundo> I bet much less then me getting highlitted for all the forms of "bug" I track
[14:35] <vish> ha ;)
[14:35] <tatsubi> g
[14:35] <tatsubi> g
[14:35] <tatsubi> g
[14:35] <tatsubi> g
[14:35] <tatsubi> g
[14:35] <tatsubi> g
[14:35] <tatsubi> g
[14:35] <tatsubi> g
[14:35] <tatsubi> g
[14:35] <vish> tatsubi: pls stop
[14:35] <tatsubi> g
[14:35] <NathanBDot> alright, gotta log out/in be back soon...
[14:35] <BUGabundo> anyone knows how to check for a battery status?
[14:35] <tatsubi> g
[14:35] <tatsubi> opps sorry
[14:36] <tatsubi> hit the wrong key
[14:36] <tatsubi> sensors?
[14:36] <BUGabundo> got a 3 months old toshiba laptop
[14:36] <BUGabundo> won't boot if not pluged in
[14:36] <arand> !info compizconfig-settings-manager
[14:36] <tatsubi> power-manager?
[14:36] <yofel> BUGabundo: acpi -V ?
[14:36] <tatsubi> yofel = win
[14:36] <yofel> tatsubi: hm?
[14:36] <tatsubi> I couldn't remember acpi :(
[14:37] <arand> ↑↑ Seems like ccsm is still there as usual...
[14:37] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: how many bug mails every day? ;)
[14:37] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: not many
[14:37] <BUGabundo> let me check last night
[14:38]  * BUGabundo opens kmail
[14:38] <BUGabundo> 13 unread... pulling new ones
[14:38] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: heh - yesterday I got over 30 bug mails in 2 hours..
[14:38] <BUGabundo> ahh
[14:38] <BUGabundo> 19 so far
[14:38] <yellabs> sara_ its crtl + alt + F7
[14:39]  * BUGabundo kills OSD
[14:39] <yellabs> tty 7
[14:40] <vish> yellabs: irc lag?  the user sara_ isnt here
[14:40] <yellabs> to see the commandline crtl + alt + F4 would bring up tty 4
[14:40] <yellabs> oh i see
[14:40] <yellabs> he he
[14:41] <BUGabundo> "Design capacity 4000mAh, last full capacity 5445 mAh = 100%" ORLY??
[14:41] <yellabs> sara_> exit gues i missed that part
[14:41] <BUGabundo> so it seems its *overcharged*
[14:41] <yellabs> okey i am off, good luck you folks!
[14:41] <yofel> BUGabundo: cool ^^
[14:42] <yellabs> have a nice day!
[14:42] <BUGabundo> plug it off, it goes down
[14:42] <BUGabundo> ok, damaged bat
[14:42] <BUGabundo> :(
[14:51] <tatsubi> how do you make files immutable again?
[14:52] <tatsubi> nvm found it
[14:58] <penguin42> chattr +i isn't it - or something like that?
[14:59] <avar> Some_Person: After a recent upgrade your light-themes package isn't installed, ubuntu's is
[15:00] <avar> Some_Person: http://gist.github.com/346129
[15:00] <hassanakevazir> Anyone unable to mount nfs anymore?
[15:01] <yofel> hassanakevazir: NFSv4 still works here (haven't updated for a few hours though)
[15:01] <tatsubi> penguin42, yeah chattr +i;
[15:01] <hassanakevazir> oh
[15:02] <hassanakevazir> Anyone unable to mount nfs at bootup through fstab anymore.
[15:03] <hassanakevazir> I can mount with command line, but fstab at boot no longer works
[15:04] <yofel> hassanakevazir: what exactly fails? I mount mine with bg,_netdev (latter get's ignored though it seems). it errors out once (non-fatal) and mounts them once the network is up
[15:08] <hassanakevazir> yofel, I don't know, thought my mount options are: nfs rw,hard,intr 0 0 , it used to work before the upgrade. where can I find an error log for something like this? dmesg isn't showing anything
[15:09] <hassanakevazir> what does bg do? background or something?
[15:10] <yofel> hassanakevazir: yes, background, I think you have the same issue as I do (mountall tries to mount nfs before network is up and fails)
[15:10] <yofel> with background it should periodically retry the mount if it fails
[15:11] <yofel> _netdev should prevent that but doesn't work it seems (there was a but about that I think)
[15:11] <yofel> s/but/bug/
[15:13] <olga_> guys how do i boot xp by default the sudo gedit /boot/grub/menu.lst doesnt help, because its empty
[15:13] <deanus> just installed fglrx, had to do aticonfig --initial for compiz to enable, but the bootsplash is in low res, it was max res with "radeon".  is there something I can do to make it use max res?
[15:13] <arand> Brr, keeping CJ in default... I do not understand...
[15:14] <yofel> !grub2 | olga_
[15:15] <yofel> hassanakevazir: bug 504224 maybe?
[15:19] <ZykoticK9> As of two days ago, using "sudo plymouth-set-default-theme --list" would list available plymouth themes; now it's giving "command not found", anyone know what's up with plymouth right now?
[15:22] <tatsubi> >_<
[15:22] <hassanakevazir> yofel, those options didn't work here, tried both bg and bg,_netdev
[15:22] <tatsubi> getting fusterated with ubuntu-bug
[15:23] <lusepuster> Hi channel; I've installed Karmic via Wubi under Win XP. I've upgraded to Lucid, and after a few hiccups it seemed to go through fine. But during the upgrade, it prompted me where to install GRUB and in case of doubt recommended me to install it in all locations listed. I did install it on SDA, SDA1 and SDA2. Result: when I choose Ubuntu in GRUB, it sends me back to the exact same GRUB screen again - I cannot boot into Ubuntu. W
[15:23] <hassanakevazir> thanks for the help thought
[15:23] <switchgirl> hi scanning is not working correctly :( filing a bug report now
[15:24] <tatsubi> I can't determine what package isn't working if I can't even log into a terminal >_<
[15:31] <lusepuster> *Bump* - nobody has a clue about my Wubi/GRUB issue?
[15:32] <hassanakevazir> I donnu, you can always boot in the live CD and attempt to reinstall grub
[15:34] <lusepuster> hassanakevazir, possible in a WUBI install too?
[15:35] <hassanakevazir> lusepuster, ah, missed that. not sure if its possible.
[15:41] <NathanBdot> Hey everyone. I'm back and I still have the problem with nVidia
[15:42] <dougalb> hi, i am having issues getting HP Compaq 6710b to install 10.04 beta 64bit... have tried vga=771 and still getting blank screen after first menu
[15:42] <dougalb> any thoughts?
[15:42] <NathanBdot> I tried the page that I was suggested but it didn't work.  I think the reason is because I didn't upgrade from ubuntu 9.10. I just installed 10.04 fresh
[15:45] <BoondoKLife> dougalb: Try the alternate cd. I had that issue with an hp laptop and the alt cd worked.
[15:45] <NathanBdot> i don't remember the names of the people who were helping me before... :/
[15:45] <BoondoKLife> NathanBdot: What is the issue your having?
[15:46] <dougalb> BoondoKLife: I am using alternate cd daily.. i use LVM and need to preserve some logical volumes
[15:47] <dougalb> there is a very dim dark red bar showing when using vga=771
[15:47] <BoondoKLife> dougalb: hmm well sorry got no idea what is going on in your case then. I know in mine it was some sort of a plymouth issue with the live cd. Alt cd worked fine in my case. sorry
[15:48] <NathanBdot> BoondoKLife: dual screens; nvidia is installed; main screen (VGA) works perfectly fine but on my HDMI port, it only allows me to use up to 640x(forgot; whatever the default is)
[15:48] <dougalb> BoondoKLife: ok, i will keep trying options... had similar issue with 9.10 but fixed once all installed
[15:49] <NathanBdot> 640x480
[15:49] <phillw> hi, can any throw any light on the issue with 3G usb modems, is there a bug reported / what information would be of help ?
[15:49] <Leif> For some reason, I can't get sound to work.  I have a sony vaio vpceb11fm, the sound card is an intel HDA
[15:50] <Leif> Any suggestions?
[15:50] <BoondoKLife> NathanBdot: Ah I was wondering how HDMI support worked out. I just have vga out on mine. I'm sure someone will be around with some ideas or maybe the forums.
[15:51] <NathanBdot> BoondoKLife: Are you one of the devs?
[15:51] <Some_Person> avar: My package is no longer needed. Just move the buttons with the gconf string, and you'll be fine
[15:52] <BoondoKLife> Leif: open a terminal and type alsamixer and make sure the volume levels are ok and not muted.
[15:52] <BoondoKLife> NathanBdot: No I am not, just someone that tries to help when she can
[15:52] <NathanBdot> BoondoKLife: I've spent 2 days straight on this (including trying it on 9.10) and so far as I can tell (at least w/ my chipset), HDMI simply doesn't work.
[15:52] <bjsnider> NathanBdot, check dmesg to see what happens when you plug in the hdmi cable. probably broken EDID chip
[15:52] <NathanBdot> BoondoKLife: cool :) thanks
[15:53] <NathanBdot> bjsnider: i'm a newbie-ish. can you give me a step-by-step?
[15:53] <NathanBdot> :)
[15:54] <NathanBdot> bjsnider: remove cable;  $ dmesg; insert cable; $ dmesg; compare output?
[15:54] <bjsnider> right
[15:54] <NathanBdot> k
[15:54] <bjsnider> you're not so noobyish as you thought
[15:55] <Leif> BoondoKLife: Nope, they're fine.
[15:55] <Leif> Any other sugestions?
[15:55] <NathanBdot> well i've got 1.5 weeks under my belt... pretty new to me ;)
[15:56] <BoondoKLife> Leif: Did you atleast see different controls in there?
[15:57] <NathanBdot> bjsnider: wow....there's a TON of info in that... how am I supposed to compare them??
[15:57] <Leif> BoondoKLife: Yes, there was Master, Headphone Speaker PCM Front Mic S/pdif Beep (the front-mic and beep were muted, but everything else was at it's max)
[15:57] <Leif> The card is suppposedly an Intel HDA
[15:57] <Leif> Ubuntu claims it is the Intel G45 DEVIBX
[15:58] <Leif> Although windows claims it's made by Realtek
[15:59] <penguin42> Leif: There are at least 2 parts to an audio thing these days; the controller (probably the G45) and the codec which is probably a realtek in your case
[16:00] <NathanBdot> bjsnider: I ran it though pastebin and it seems like it's all the same...
[16:00] <NathanBdot> http://pastebin.org/pastebin.php?diff=126063
[16:01] <Leif> penguin42: I though codecs usually reffered to the format an audio file was played it, not an actual component of the sound card.
[16:01] <penguin42> Leif: The same word seems to be used for both
[16:02] <penguin42> Leif: In the sound card case they are taking the binary audio data from the controller and decoding it to whatever audio outputs you have
[16:02] <Leif> penguin42: Ah, okay.  I'll have to look that up later, thanks for bringing that to my attention.
[16:02] <BUGabundo> ANYONE ever heard of a laptop not charging while on Ubuntu but charges fine on BIOS or Wind Vista?
[16:02] <BUGabundo> I do remember a bug in MSFT Vista about not charging batteries
[16:02] <BUGabundo> but nothing on LINUX
[16:02] <penguin42> Leif: /proc/asound/card0/codec#0 will tell you what you've got (and for more cards/codecs)
[16:03] <penguin42> BUGabundo: No, but I've seen machines that discharge overnight on Linux but not Windows)
[16:03] <Leif> penguin42: Okay, give me a moment to read it...
[16:04] <BUGabundo> penguin42: yeah I remember that one too
[16:04] <darkfile> hi
[16:04] <Leif> penguin42: Yes, the codec is Realtek ALC269
[16:04] <darkfile> i have a question regarding the 10.4 alternate install CD
[16:05] <bcurtiswx_laptop> how well would everyone say evolution handles gmail?
[16:05] <darkfile> >> Configuration of "LVM with encryption"  in the Ubuntu Server installer and the alternate installer fails when  setting up swap. Investigation of this issue is ongoing. (539324)
[16:05] <bcurtiswx_laptop> for 10.04
[16:05] <Leif> penguin42: Although, it still doesn't solve the problem, still no audio, although I guess I have another thing to google. :)
[16:05] <darkfile> does this mean i cant setup 10.4 as encrypted LVM in the moment?
[16:06] <penguin42> Leif: Search to see if anyone else has problems with that codec or laptop model, there are also some flags you can pass to I think hda_intel module on load to tell it some stuff; the problem is that there are multiple ways of the laptop vendor wiring them and sometimes it guesses wrong is one of the problems
[16:06] <darkfile> no one has experience with 10.4 installer + LVM?
[16:07] <guntbert> darkfile: possibly :-( - but you see - its still beta ...
[16:07] <Leif> penguin42: Okay, thanks.
[16:07] <darkfile> ok, so no beta for me in the moment :(
[16:08] <penguin42> darkfile: There was someone here a couple of days ago having problems with it stopping with an error about encrypted swap
[16:08] <NathanBdot> k. guess i'll work on this later when someone can help me.... I'm off to bed now :) G'night for now!
[16:09] <darkfile> was he able to workaround?
[16:09] <guntbert> darkfile: I can try it in about half an hour - but if there is a bug already ....
[16:09] <penguin42> darkfile: I don't think so
[16:09] <darkfile> >>  Configuration of "LVM with encryption"  in the Ubuntu Server installer and the alternate installer fails when  setting up swap. Investigation of this issue is ongoing. (539324)
[16:09] <yofel> bug 539324
[16:12] <darkfile> there are some workarounds in the comments
[16:12] <darkfile> nice
[16:26] <un214> so grub-pc recommends desktop-base which recommends gnome
[16:27] <un214> how silly
[16:27] <luke7985> does anyone know how to get nautilus to ignore capital letters when sorting by name?
[16:28] <BUGabundo> luke7985: gconf
[16:32] <luke7985> BUGabundo, i don't see that option in gconf-editor
[16:40] <his`> Two questions: Is the release date in April known for lucid?
[16:40] <his`> The second is: has anyone in here run it on an Acer?
[16:40] <his`> Acer laptop*
[16:41] <jpds> his`: 29th.
[16:41] <penguin42> his: I'm sure someone has, there are a lot of people trying it
[16:41] <jpds> [https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule]
[16:42] <his`> from what I hear about it, it's quite compatible with a lot of devices
[16:42] <his`> so I'm excited about that
[16:42] <penguin42> his': Why not try the beta on the live cd - you don't have to install it
[16:43] <dougalb> hi, has anybody any ideas for fixing a VGA issue... have tried vga=771 vga=773 vga=353 vga=775 vga=796 and nothing works. using alternate amd64 daily cd
[16:43] <his`> oh yeah
[16:45] <un214> dougalb: it's probably fbcon which is always enabled now
[16:46] <un214> vga= will be ignored unless you can boot hd and break fbcon
[16:46] <un214> doing so seems to also break X these days
[16:46] <dougalb> un214: how can i disable that
[16:46] <un214> my way was to modify the initrd to no longer contain fbcon.ko
[16:46] <dougalb> ah
[16:46] <flexxxv> What is the best option to solve permamently the problem with windows executables that are on non writeable Media? cautious-launcher now takes care of that I can only execute with the executable bit :-/
[16:47] <dougalb> worth a try
[16:47] <dougalb> i also tried fb=false
[16:47] <dougalb> but no joy
[16:47] <un214> ignored
[16:47] <dougalb> i see
[16:48] <dougalb> i will open up the iso and take a look at changing initrd
[16:48] <un214> dougalb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/513423
[16:49] <Draglor> dougalb:  isn't there an option gfx= (or something like that) instead of vga= in newer versions?
[16:51] <dougalb> Draglor: i will google
[16:51] <yofel> there's something like gfxpayload
[16:51] <Draglor> I just did for you dougalb ;)
[16:52] <Draglor> it's now an grub option not anything passed to the kernel
[16:52] <dougalb> Draglor: got it thanks
[16:53] <LaPingvino> Hello, I am trying the Ubuntu 10.04 beta now, and apt-get gives a message that eo.utf8 is a wrong language code
[16:53] <dougalb> Draglor: how is this then setup during install using the alternerate cd
[16:53] <frxstrem> does anyone know when Ubuntu 10.04 is planned to be released?
[16:53] <arand> frxstrem: 29th april
[16:53] <Draglor> maybe this can not be done during setup but afterwards
[16:53] <frxstrem> arand: oh, thanks :)
[16:54] <arand> frxstrem: release schedule link in ↑topic
[16:54] <LaPingvino> hello
[16:55] <LaPingvino> someone here with knowledge of l10n and locales?
[16:57] <dougalb> Draglor: reading over the article, not sure how this applies to the install menu
[16:58] <Draglor> you would have to add something to /etc/grub/XX_somefile .. not sure if this can be done during install, but you could do if afterwards (start failsafe mode if you can'T see anything)
[16:59] <dougalb> sure but i cannot install , so need to fix that first
[16:59] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: yofel: can you help LaPingvino ?
[17:00] <un214> dougalb: well you could consider installing another linux to a small partition and debootstraping your ubuntu
[17:01] <un214> been awhile since I've tried that stunt but basically you need 3 partitions /boot (small /) (main /)
[17:01] <Draglor> well then I'd consider using another distro generally un214 ;)
[17:02] <un214> I found knoppix works well for twiddling things
[17:02] <dougalb> un214: yes but not that urgent to get 10.04 installed... i am running 9.10 just now and ran some basics tests on virtualbox install and required apps are working, so was ready to take the plunge... (i always fresh install and then remount my LVM vol_home aftwards)
[17:07] <MarkusT> I'm trying to establish a PPTP-VPN with Ubuntu Lucid (as a client). It seems that the routes are quite strange and I'm unable to reach any server in the network. The routes (when the connection is established): http://piratepad.net/5NQFQyTOsV  Any ideas on how to solve the problem?
[17:07] <danage1> is it a known bug that nautilus won't display smb and sftp locations? "The specified location is not supported"
[17:08] <switchgirl> has anyone tried typing mixed arabic and western text? it is (in my limited and unrealistic experiance of the world) impossible
[17:09] <danage1> arabic is written from right to left, wheras latin is written from left to right switchgirl?
[17:11]  * penguin42 thinks there are apps who know how to do that mixing
[17:13] <kklimonda> BUGabundosorry, looks like I'm too late :/
[17:13] <kklimonda> damn
[17:15] <BUGabundo> kklimonda: I have him on IM if you have any input
[17:15] <BUGabundo> for esperanco
[17:16]  * h00k reports bug on telepathy mission control
[17:16] <h00k> provided nobody else has
[17:17] <h00k> turns out I'm not the first
[17:18] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: he probably has to regenerate locales
[17:21] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: ask him if (1) adding eo.UTF-8 UTF-8 to /var/lib/locales/supported.d/local and (2) doing sudo dpkg-reconfigure locales helps
[17:22] <kklimonda> BUGabundo: or actually sudo locale-gen eo.UTF-8 should be sufficient (/me has just read manual page ;) )
[17:23] <BUGabundo> thanks
[17:23] <BUGabundo> passed along
[17:23] <Bittarman> anyone had problems with php5 missing headers?
[17:23] <almoxarife> danage1: I have noticed that smb is spotty on nautilus, I am not sure if it's the samba config or a nautilus issue
[17:23] <Bittarman> seems like I can't get pdo_mysql installed because of how php was compiled :|
[17:24] <danage1> i get the same with sftp bookmarks, so it should be nautilus/gvfs issue
[17:24] <darthanubis> anyone update their headless server only to find it timeouts on the console?
[17:25] <darthanubis> Setting up console-setup (1.34ubuntu13) Write failed: Broken pipe<<Then you find you can no longer ssh in? With the final insult of not even getting a console from the server itself?
[17:27] <penguin42> darthanubis: A write failed like that is normally a full disk
[17:28] <darthanubis> improbable, but I'll check
[17:29] <darthanubis> there really is close to nothing on the disk
[17:29] <darthanubis> my 10.04 desktop is running fantastically
[17:29] <darthanubis> I believe I have rebooted since the console-setup update
[17:30] <darthanubis> just the server, a lesser machine, did not survive the update
[17:32] <penguin42> hmm odd
[17:33] <dougalb> Draglor un214 : going for fresh 9.10 with direct upgrade to 10.04
[17:33] <un214> good idea
[17:34] <un214> keep the 9.10 kernel on standby with init=/bin/sh in case you get a nasty breaker
[17:34] <m1r> hello , trying to install 10.04 beta but partitioner dont passing 50% on install
[17:34] <dougalb> will do
[17:34] <m1r> any workaround posible ?
[17:34] <dougalb> seemed easier than doing a debbootstrap from extra OS
[17:34] <darkfile> m1r did you use encrypted LVM?
[17:35] <m1r> darkfile: didnt manage to pass "starting up partitioner" , it hangs on 50%
[17:35] <darkfile> hmm
[17:35] <darkfile> try to disconnect hard disks which are unused
[17:35] <darkfile> USB hdds etc.
[17:36] <darkfile> maybe it works then?
[17:36] <m1r> its hpmini , tryed install from cdrom , hangs on 50%, installed to usb stick and trying install from it, same error 50% block
[17:36] <m1r> hpmini - netbook
[17:36] <deebo> ok just tried to install ubuntu 10.04 server (twice)
[17:36] <deebo> it seems the installer is broken, cant login with accounts created in the installer
[17:37] <almoxarife> I read about a kamikaze way of upgrading, take the sources list and do a file wide change of 'karmic' to 'lucid', tried it in a virtualbox, it worked, except for some ppa's that didn't have a 'lucid' dir yet.
[17:38] <deebo> anyone know how to rectify the situation? (create a working account on an already installed system)
[17:40] <guntbert> almoxarife: it usually works but is neither recommended nor supported
[17:40] <almoxarife> guntbert: agreed
[17:41] <guntbert> almoxarife: :)
[17:42] <deanus> almoxarife, thats what do-release-upgrade -d is for...
[17:46] <un214> haha I found almoxarife's way works better than do-release-upgrade
[17:47] <guntbert> un214: still - it *can* be problematic for your system
[17:47] <deebo> is there a forum for 10.04?
[17:48] <un214> after do-release-upgrade suicided one of my systems I'm not so sure
[17:48] <deebo> cant find anything about my problem (account created during installation not usable)
[17:48] <arand> deebo: there's a development version section on ubuntuforums.org yes
[17:48] <un214> apt-get dist-upgrade would have bailed and told me unreconcilable changes which would have been better
[17:49] <m1r> "starting up partitioner" hangs on 50% , telling me "please wait..." every time i try install, any workaround for this ?
[17:49] <deanus> it worked for me, in a vm admittedly.. I`d never upgrade a production system anyway.. but thats just me
[17:50] <un214> do-release-upgrade tries to be smart by updating pinned packages, removing packages that cause conflicts, etc.
[17:50] <yofel> deebo: lucid forum: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=377
[17:54] <arand> m1r: report a bug, wait for fix ;) Does gparted work? Could use alternative installer is needing to get install done, try diff versions (beta, daily...)
[17:54] <arand> s/is/if/
[17:54] <m1r> arand: using alternate install, just downloaded
[17:55] <arand> m1r: so problem happens on alternate?
[17:55] <m1r> arand: tryed from usb cd rom, halts on 50% , then copied to USB and treid there , same hang on 50%
[17:56] <m1r> arand: yes , its alternate
[17:56] <penguin42> makes you wonder what magic happens at 50%
[17:57] <m1r> yea
[17:57] <penguin42> m1r: If you switch to another vc can you see any dmesg output or install logs to tell you what just happened?
[17:58] <m1r> penguin42: i check again and write down
[17:58] <oxymoron> Whats the status of plymouth?
[17:59] <penguin42> oxymoron: Seems to work for most people
[18:00] <oxymoron> penguin42: Alright, I upgraded from Karmic to Lucid and on bootup unregarding which kernel it freezes after fstab mounted disks and return status 4 of ureadhahead
[18:00] <oxymoron> penguin42: I have tried almost everything
[18:00] <deanus> I didnt realise chromium was in lucids main repos..mmmm
[18:01] <penguin42> oxymoron: Yeh ureadahead gives that error for lots of people - but I don't think that's a big problem; I don't think that's the reason for the freeze
[18:01] <deanus> does it get updated inline with the ppa?
[18:01] <oxymoron> penguin42: How to work around that freeze?
[18:01] <penguin42> oxymoron: good question, is it a simple disc setup?
[18:01] <oxymoron> penguin42: If you install clean copy of Lucid it seems to work but upgrade from Karmic to Lucid seem to be a problem
[18:01] <un214> beats the heck outta me I did apt-get remove plymouth as soon as it showed up
[18:02] <m1r> penguin42: theres plenty of errors it seems , libnewt0.52 package dosent exist... ext2-modules and efi-modules same error
[18:02] <penguin42> oxymoron: This <- machine seems to have upgraded OK
[18:02] <oxymoron> penguin42: I have another partition and can chroot into that partition and can remove and install packages back and forth but I dont know what to do.
[18:03] <oxymoron> penguin42: I dont really know what the problem is.
[18:03] <oxymoron> Well I have to go for now, I will be back :)
[18:03] <penguin42> oxymoron: Do you run any encrypted stuff?
[18:04] <phillw> oxymoron: status 4 from ureadahead is quite normal, plymouth stopping you booting is not that uncommon either.
[18:05] <phillw> oxymoron: posts #514 & 515 here may help --> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1416872&page=52
[18:06] <navetz> hey guys my upgrade process didn't go well
[18:06] <eagles0513875> whats annoying me phillw on another not of plymouth is the cursed upgrade to lucid is failing for me
[18:06] <eagles0513875> due to libplymouth2 and mountall
[18:06] <navetz> i currently have no x system, no networking, and most of my packages have not been configured
[18:06] <eagles0513875> navetz: i think oxymoron had a similar issue hehe
[18:07] <navetz> can someone help me get my network up again so i can try to re-upgrade
[18:08] <penguin42> navetz: Do you know what caused it to break
[18:09] <phillw> eagles0513875: why are you atempting to upgrade to a 10.04 beta system ?
[18:10] <eagles0513875> would like to test it out
[18:10] <phillw> I may be mad, but I put it on its own partition
[18:10] <navetz> penguin42: no I'm not sure, i think it just broke while upgrading
[18:10] <phillw> a clean install is a better way of testing it.
[18:11] <navetz> penguin42: something went wrong with the upgrade, i had to restart, and then nothing worked :(
[18:11] <yofel> oxymoron: I had such a stuck boot while I still had plymouth installed on my desktop using the proprietary nvidia driver, what card do you have?
[18:12] <penguin42> navetz: Don't suppose you know what went wrong?
[18:12] <penguin42> did it just stop of what?
[18:13] <navetz> penguin42: not really sure, it said it upgraded fine, but when i restarted none of the packages were configured.
[18:13] <penguin42> navetz: Odd, do you have anything unusual about your system?
[18:13] <navetz> all i have to work with is a terminal so when i restarted I tried to re-upgrade
[18:14] <navetz> penguin42: sort of, i've been upgrading it for about 2 years now, its got lots of miscelanous stuff on it ... mail server, lamp server, etc..
[18:14] <penguin42> ok, nothing too odd
[18:14] <penguin42> navetz: OK, do an apt-get -f install    that should sort out any outstanding package configurations/upgrades
[18:15] <penguin42> navetz: Is it purely a server install or do you run gnome as well?
[18:16] <navetz> penguin42: running kde with compiz and lots of effects :)  I tried apt-get -f install and it says 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove, 597 not upgraded
[18:17] <deanus> try aptitude safe-upgrade and full-upgrade
[18:18] <navetz> penguin42: okay trying - this doesn't depend on having a network does it?
[18:18] <navetz> there is a lot to upgrade but i don't have internet working on it
[18:19] <m1r> navetz: you have all 597 packages DL already ?
[18:20] <navetz> m1r: I think they are DLed but I am not sure
[18:20] <penguin42> navetz: hmm why isn't your network working?  try doing initctl status network-manager
[18:21] <navetz> penguin42: that returns the pid of my network manager
[18:21] <penguin42> navetz: OK, so it is running - good
[18:22] <navetz> penguin42: im guessing the upgrade broke my configs
[18:22] <m1r> navetz: ifconfig
[18:23] <navetz> m1r: i see eth1 - my wireless
[18:23] <m1r> ip adress assigned ?
[18:24] <plauclair> I can't get weather to show up, does anyone have this problem too ?
[18:24] <navetz> m1r: no I don't think so, I don't see it
[18:26] <patdk-wk> damn :)
[18:26] <patdk-wk> usb drive was only going 3mbps, after closing firefox (using 3gigs ram), it's going 18mbps
[18:29] <navetz> any ideas on how i can get internet working?
[18:30] <penguin42> navetz: If you were on wired I'd just ifconfig an IP address and add a route to get you going, I don't know the command line foo for wireless though
[18:30] <m1r> navetz: check for manual network setup :/ thats all i can help with, maybe someone here knows more
[18:34] <navetz> penguin42: okay ill try to get a wired connectioon and come back
[18:34] <navetz> penguin42: thanks
[18:34] <penguin42> no problem - I prefer wired, you can SEE where your packets are going :-)
[18:45] <dupondje> evening :)
[19:01] <wolter> Hi, is anybody getting wireless networking due to a 'serious kernel problem'?
[19:09] <symptom> Upgrading to Lucid on Borders Wi-Fi at about 1kbps!
[19:10] <nick125> symptom: Maybe you should look into IPoAC (IP over Avian Carrier)
[19:10] <pvandewyngaerde> i always automatically get logged in to gnome, i want to be able to choose,  editing the login manager options do not seem to work
[19:11] <dutchie> :( my terminal's not transparent any more
[19:11] <dutchie> also, defcon doesn't fullscreen properly
[19:13] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hi, anybody else but have "instant shutdown and reboot feature" all of a sudden?
[19:13] <pvandewyngaerde> i  had it during my last boot
[19:13] <Redhammer_the_Ol> what I mean is: no matter how terminal, gnome, gdm login screen as soon as I hit shutdown machine cold starts with boot screen and reboots this is on a vaio laptop
[19:20] <switchgirl> sudo shutdown -h +25        going down for earth hour
[19:22] <penguin42> Redhammer_the_Ol: Someone else was saying they got reboot instead of shutdown - report it against the 'linux' package
[19:22] <xcv> greets! lobbed this question into the ubuntustudio room a couple of hours ago, no reply yet. ubuntustudio lucid 64bit beta1 (upgrade from karmic) my question -- package policykit-desktop-privileges is or is not included with the ubuntustudio lucid by default? trying to figure out if I need to report a bug.
[19:24] <symptom> nick125, I have heard of IPoCP (IP over Carrier Pigeon) but not Avian Carrier, so the past few minutes have been spent traveling down the rabbit hole of April Fools RFCs... not to get off topic or anything... but in 1990 they updated the RFC with " IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service"
[19:25] <penguin42> symptom: Yeh well if you're pigeon gets eaten it's not going to be very good for your VoIP signal is it?
[19:26] <yofel> xcv: according to apt-cache the only packages that recommend polkit-d-priv are ubuntu-desktop and -netbook, so I don't think it's included
[19:26] <nick125> symptom: Bahahah
[19:27] <symptom> penguin42, nick125, even if it is pigeon hunting season IPoAC w/QoS would still be better than my att Uverse
[19:28] <xcv> yofel: thanks. not a bug, then :)
[19:31] <symptom> only 7 more days until my Lucid package downloads are complete.
[19:32] <nonameNN> if im using beta, after ubuntu lucid is released i dont need to download the iso again right, i just apply the upgrades and thats it, is it correct?
[19:32] <yofel> nonameNN: yes
[19:32] <nonameNN> ok thanks
[19:41] <oxymoron> yofel: I have a nVidia GeForce 7950 GT, you?
[19:41] <yofel> oxymoron: 7300 GT
[19:42] <oxymoron> penguin42: Oh and one strange thing is that I tried to remove plymouth and use usplash instead, same freeze ...
[19:42] <oxymoron> yofel: You upgraded from KArmic to Lucid as well?
[19:43] <yofel> nope, had to repartition and installed lucid somewhere around alpha2
[19:43] <oxymoron> yofel: Alright and you use it on proprietary nvidia drivers, which version?
[19:43] <yofel> nvidia current (195.36.15)
[19:44] <yofel> I used an older version though last time I tried plymouth
[19:44] <oxymoron> yofel: And I have been using alpha in VM environment, there it works but now on my "stable" it doesnt
[19:44] <flansuse> Is the Lucid Netbook Remix going to use the same kernel as the standard Lucid desktop installation?
[19:44] <oxymoron> yofel: 8.1-1 of plymouth should be the stable one I heard, but not for me though.
[19:44] <flansuse> Or will it used a modified kernel, optimized for netbooks / Atom processors?
[19:45] <flansuse> I believe with the Jaunty Netbook Remix, it still used the -default kernel.
[19:45] <oxymoron> yofel: And I use same nvidia-current. Do you combine it with nvidia-glx-185 as well? :)
[19:46] <oxymoron> phillw: I have tried to remove plymouth but same error, I dont think its plymouth for me that doesnt work, something else.
[19:46] <yofel> oxymoron: haha, you can safely remove 185, that's a transitional package
[19:46] <oxymoron> yofel: Alright :)
[19:47] <yofel> oxymoron: haven't tried plymouth since quite a while to be honest, maybe I'll try it at some point again
[19:47] <yofel> (beta2 probably)
[19:47] <oxymoron> Btw, what about this problem: "/usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme: not found"
[19:47] <penguin42> yofel: Seems to work here
[19:48] <duanedesign> Hello all! anyone had any issues with firefox? Or know of an issue that has arisen because of recent updates?
[19:48] <oxymoron> penguin42: Did you came up with some kind of solution for the freeze thing I told you about before?
[19:49] <penguin42> oxymoron: Doesn't freeze for me
[19:49] <penguin42> duanedesign: I'm getting firefox crashes on some flash pages
[19:49] <flansuse> It will be the same kernel used in both Lucid and Lucid NBR?
[19:49] <yofel> oxymoron: that not found error should have been fixed I think...
[19:49] <yofel> or did they fix something else...
[19:50] <Leif> In an attempt to get my sound card working, I came upon this webpage: http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/amd64/linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic/download
[19:50] <oxymoron> penguin42: Its weird, I reach grub2 first, choose 2.6.32-17 kernel then it goes black for some seconds then it shows me some rules for my logitech keyboard and rzer mouse, after that I got status code 4 from udev like 4 times and then the blinker "_" just freeze and nothing happens
[19:50] <yofel> flansuse: I think yes (generic)
[19:50] <Redhammer_the_Ol> lief what soundcard have you got
[19:50] <Leif> linked to from this one: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/525149
[19:51] <penguin42> oxymoron: Hmm not good, my guess is a graphics driver problem - what graphics card?
[19:51] <Redhammer_the_Ol> leif I have a vaio E series (similar but not the same), have you tried using HDA-analyser ?
[19:51] <Leif> Anyway, it won't let me run sudo apt-get install linux-backport-modules-lucid-generic, because:
[19:51] <flansuse> yofel: It's a shame that array.org did not make a netbook kernel for Karmic, let alone Lucid (more than likely will be the case.)
[19:51] <yofel> oxymoron: did you go searching for X on some other tty?
[19:51] <Leif> Redhammer_the_Ol: No, where is that?
[19:51] <Redhammer_the_Ol> hang on will look for link
[19:52] <oxymoron> penguin42: Nvidia 7950 GT
[19:52] <Leif> Anyway, because it says: The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[19:52] <Leif>   linux-backports-modules-alsa-lucid-generic: Depends: linux-backports-modules-alsa-2.6.32-17-generic but it is not installable
[19:52] <Leif> E: Broken packages
[19:52] <penguin42> oxymoron: I'd say if you can find a way to disable the existing Nvidia driver
[19:52] <oxymoron> yofel: Its not even possible to change tty ...
[19:52] <Redhammer_the_Ol> http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9008912&postcount=8
[19:52] <Leif> Redhammer_the_Ol: Thanks...
[19:52] <Redhammer_the_Ol> I ran a sample sound file and then played with the settings
[19:52] <oxymoron> penguin42: YEs I have chrooted that partition so I can remove and install packages on it ;)
[19:52] <Redhammer_the_Ol> its a temporary fix but you could post you results against your bug
[19:53] <penguin42> oxymoron: I'd take out any nvidia drivers and once you can get it booted add them back
[19:53] <Leif> Redhammer_the_Ol: BTW, the headphone jack doesn't work.
[19:53] <oxymoron> penguin42: Alright good idea I try that :)
[19:53] <Cuppa-Chino> Leif, that is also something you could check with the analyser
[19:53] <Leif> Cuppa-Chino: Okay, downloading now...
[19:54] <Leif> Cuppa-Chino: Wow, okay, that's a lot of data, any suggestions where I should start looking?
[19:54] <Cuppa-Chino> one sec
[19:54] <Leif> There are two codecs btw
[19:55] <duanedesign> penguin42: FF wont launch after the update this morning. firefox -P, creating a new profile, it will launch..once.
[19:55] <penguin42> duanedesign: Launches OK here
[19:56] <duanedesign> hmm. ok. thanks penguin42
[19:56] <yofel> duanedesign: oh, you too? I use firefox -safe-mode; firefox to start it here
[19:56] <Cuppa-Chino> Leif did you see the window I tried to open
[19:57] <Leif> No, I didn't see you try to open a window.  But the app did
[19:57] <Leif> Cuppa-Chino:
[19:58] <Cuppa-Chino> I will ask for some code pasting ?
[19:58] <Cuppa-Chino> I mean an IRC window
[19:59] <Cuppa-Chino> try starting a conversation directly in IRC so we do not clog up this channel
[19:59] <oxymoron> penguin42: Sorry to say, but same error ...
[19:59] <Leif> Oh...I'm on irc in empathhy...maybe I did, give me a moment...
[19:59] <Cuppa-Chino> try double clicking my name
[19:59] <oxymoron> penguin42: ONe difference though, it changed resolution on the screen so the font became more clear :P
[19:59] <penguin42> oxymoron: Yah progress; ish
[20:00] <oxymoron> penguin42: Yeah one difference anyway :P Its exciting to make this work, I will continue until it work
[20:00] <duanedesign> yofel: aha thank you
[20:01] <yofel> duanedesign: I didn't have time yet, but you could ask for help at debugging in #ubuntu-mozillateam
[20:06] <Sarvatt> oxymoron: try booting with blacklist=nouveau
[20:06] <Sarvatt> oxymoron: do you have /usr mounted on a seperate partition?
[20:13] <duanedesign> yofel: if i find anything i will let you know
[20:15] <venger> how can i disable something in /etc/init/ say for example gdm -- i thought in the past i could do update-rc.d gdm disable but perhaps this is some evolution of upstart?
[20:16] <h4f> venger:  I guess you can do something like stop mysql
[20:17] <venger> h4f, how about making it stick across reboot?
[20:19] <venger> this somewhat reminds me of /etc/event.d which doesn't exist but i don't remember the command to change the start on/stop on settings even for that
[20:19] <h4f> venger: sudo sysv-rc-conf
[20:19] <yofel> sysv-rc conf is for sysv scripts
[20:20] <yofel> venger: if you want to make it stick across reboot edit the start on statement in the /etc/init/ script
[20:21] <dutchie> hmm, this set of updates appears to be most buggy for me
[20:21] <dutchie> :(
[20:22] <venger> yofel, h4f thanks
[20:23] <Volkodav> http://alexmak.net/blog/2008/06/27/bill-gates-struggles-with-windows/
[20:23] <Volkodav> :-D
[20:24] <guntbert> !ot | Volkodav
[20:25] <dutchie> wow, how odd
[20:25]  * dutchie files a bug
[20:25] <Cuppa-Chino> short question has anybody got radeon mobilty hd5series working with FGLRX ?
[20:25] <Cuppa-Chino> on amd64 system
[20:25] <DanaG> venger: try commenting out the "start on" and "stop on" lines?
[20:26] <venger> DanaG, i did, a reboot in process :)
[20:26] <dutchie> what package should I file against for the mail indicator applet thingummy?
[20:26] <penguin42> dutchie: Possibly indicator-messages ?
[20:27] <dutchie> seems about right
[20:30] <aboSamoor> is there any way to make evolution notify me of any coming emails as a background process ? I mean the window is closed as what empathy do ?
[20:32] <Blue11> wow did your hear abount the newest ubuntu flame war?  over how file size is determined?
[20:32] <penguin42> Is anyone seeing odd stuff in the notification area on laptops?  The battery icon keeps on coming and going, I've got a bit of a gap next to it and a strange grating at the end - anyone else?
[20:33] <yofel> Blue11: that's not a flame war but an important step into the right direction
[20:33]  * penguin42 is indifferent about it - but I'm sure having rules about when to use each type is going to break horribly
[20:34] <Blue11> yofel: they are making too many bad deciisions -- first it was button placement, no this.  If SuSE weren't on the skids I'd go back to that.
[20:34]  * yofel doesn't care either, unless IEC and SI get mixed up
[20:35] <penguin42> yofel: I think the problem is where you have one thing in IEC it's not obvious whether it will fit on the space you have on your SI thing
[20:35] <yofel> penguin42: exactly
[20:35] <jammcq> I'm at a bugjam in detroit.  trying to get a 3g wireless device working on Lucid.  In the past, i had to edit a hal file to make it work.  Now, I don't know what to edit, because hal is gone.  Is there a udev file somewhere?
[20:35] <yofel> that's why they reverted it, as we won't be able to fix everything at the same time
[20:35] <yofel> especially not in time for lucid
[20:36] <duanedesign> yofel: do you use the Prism add-on?
[20:36] <BUGabundo_dinner> I trully wish IRC was connection friendly, so I could suspend my laptop and then resume IRC without so much pain, lets all help save the World
[20:37] <yofel> duanedesign: for some reason i don't remember it's installed here, yes
[20:37] <DanaG> jammcq: check /usr/lib/udev/rules.d/
[20:37] <duanedesign> yofel: i found the bug affecting me bug 546766  deleting the compatability.ini in the profile folder allows FF to start. Disabling Prism is the workaround
[20:37] <Bittarman> BUGabundo, if you have access to a dedicated server / VPS, you could always set up ZNC / psyBNC
[20:37] <DanaG> but if you edit a file, copy it to /etc/udev/rules.d/ first.
[20:37] <Bittarman> it would be pretty seamless then
[20:38] <jammcq> DanaG: sadly,  my /usr/lib/udev directory is empty
[20:38] <yofel> duanedesign: I'll test it
[20:39] <DanaG> ah, /lib/udev/
[20:39] <DanaG> not /usr/lib/
[20:39] <drbobb> support for my old laptop's video is still fully broken in lucid, it's been nroken since intrepid and I guess it won't be fixed
[20:40] <drbobb> nroken -> broken
[20:40] <BUGabundo> Bittarman: would still meant to have a machine running !
[20:40] <Bittarman> BUGabundo, sure... A machine..
[20:40] <Bittarman> I did not "if you have access to a...."
[20:40] <Bittarman> s/not/note
[20:41] <Blue11> drbobb: have you tried backporting?
[20:41] <yofel> duanedesign: seems to work for now, thanks!
[20:42] <duanedesign> yofel: great! if you get a chance might want to click the 'affecting me' link/button on the bug
[20:42] <drbobb> Blue11: I was sort of hopeful because the X11 driver from the ppa more or less works for me, when used in combo with the kernel framebuffer
[20:42] <drbobb> works in karmic that is
[20:42] <drbobb> but I just tried the beta installer and it is utterly no-worky
[20:42] <Blue11> drbobb: I had issues in 9.10 with my netbook's wlan card, and had to backport to solve the issues
[20:44] <drbobb> Blue11: I'm sure I'll solve it for myself some way or another, but the installer will give a rude surprise to any unexpecting beginner
[20:44] <Blue11> drbobb: true dat
[20:44] <drbobb> both text mode and X11 are totally corrupted
[20:45] <drbobb> and it used to work pretty well in hardy, *sigh*
[20:45] <Leif> My laptop crashed, and when I restarted it, the indicator applet in the gnome-bar (the one with the envalope), doesn't have a menu anymore, although the applications work when I start them from the applications menu.  Has anyone had this trouble before?
[20:45] <drbobb> what's frustrating is that this bugginess has been reported many times before
[20:46] <drbobb> just look at the long list of bugs under xorg-video-sis
[20:46] <penguin42> ah, sis
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> anyone with an ati card here?
[20:47] <drbobb> well guess it's time to scrap this piece of junk
[20:47] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Yep
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> My jockey menu still doesn't show the fglrx driver
[20:47] <Ian_Corne> same for you?
[20:48] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Let me look
[20:48] <henke> why does the plymouth boot splash only show for some second before gdm starts? I am using the nouveau driver. Do I need another framebuffer driver before nouveau kicks in?
[20:49] <Ian_Corne> henke: because it boots to fast?
[20:49] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: Yeh, if I go to Hardware Drivers it says 'No proprietary drivers are in use on this system and doesn't offer any
[20:50] <lontra> hi two questions, is the bbc iplayer plugin thingy for totem not working in lucid? also i have an intel card and my screen occasionally flickers and i have no plymouth theme during boot only shutdown
[20:50] <lontra> i guess that's three ;)
[20:50] <henke> Ian_Corne, no, most of the bootup process passes before, with no framebuffer
[20:50] <lontra> also i think lucid is a huge step in the right direction for ubuntu ... it looks slick and works well already
[20:51] <Ian_Corne> Am I wrong to think that there should be one listed penguin42 ?
[20:51] <Ian_Corne> I thought canonical got the pre-release ?
[20:51] <drbobb> ehm, as I  pointed out above, lucid does not work for me at all and will not work w/o some major hacking
[20:52] <penguin42> Ian_Corne: I'd have expected one - even though I use the free driver OK - maybe it's not available yet?
[20:52] <Ian_Corne> I don't know
[20:52] <drbobb> not that I'm asking anyone to fix it for me, just let's not get too optimistic
[20:52] <Cuppa-Chino> jockey does not show the fglrx for me either
[20:52] <hassanakevazir> lontra, I remember reading somewhere that bbc has cut off open source software access to their streams
[20:52] <Cuppa-Chino> but more worrying it segfaults after manual install
[20:53] <Cuppa-Chino> this is on mobility hd5650. has anyonle got that or another mobility hd5xxx card working with the 10,4 pre-catalyst
[20:53] <lontra> hassanakevazir: really? totally lame :P
[20:54] <lontra> yeah cause it tells me can not connect to server
[20:54] <lontra> i really liked that :(
[20:56] <hassanakevazir> lontra, oh, no not that, it should be only for video players
[20:56] <hassanakevazir> lontra, vide streams*
[20:57] <hassanakevazir> Actually I just tried right now, I can't connect  at all either, even for radio
[20:57] <DanaG> hmm, new fglrx can't be activated.
[20:57] <DanaG> SystemError: E:Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[20:58] <Cuppa-Chino> danag do not do it via jockey
[20:58] <Cuppa-Chino> jockey somehow does not work
[20:58] <Cuppa-Chino> have you tried manually via synaptic
[20:58] <DanaG> and if I just plain install it, xorg can't find the fglrx module.
[20:58] <Cuppa-Chino> hmm
[20:58] <DanaG> I have the packages already installed... but it's not using them.
[20:58] <Ian_Corne> Version: 2:8.721-0ubuntu5 (fglrx-amdcccle)
[20:58] <Ian_Corne> is that the version I want?
[20:59] <Ian_Corne> Version: 2:8.721-0ubuntu5 (fglrx)
[20:59] <DanaG> aticonfig command is not in path, also.
[21:00] <Nandou> Hello, I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install the Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I was unable to install it so far as I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver which was resolved by using the "nomodeset" option but I can't go past the "b43-phy0 Error: found unsupported PHY". I have tried different options without any luck so far, does anyone have an idea on how I could install 10.
[21:01] <lontra> hassanakevazir: oh ok
[21:01]  * Cuppa-Chino taking 5 to be frustrated by gbrainy
[21:03] <Nandou> I'am actually trying to find a way to blacklist the b43 driver from the liveCD so I can install ubuntu...
[21:06] <DanaG> ah, had to add /usr/lib/fglrx/xorg/modules into xorg.conf modulepath.
[21:06] <DanaG> now, however, it's failing somewhere different.
[21:07] <Leif> Does anyone know if there is an options menu for the indicator applet?
[21:07] <Leif> In the gnome-terminal
[21:07] <DanaG> now libatiuki.so.1 is missing.
[21:08] <Leif> I ask because it appears to have broken.
[21:10] <hassanakevazir> nah, it seems to be one of those wacky designs thingies that gives less options to users?
[21:10] <penguin42> DanaG: Someone had that the other day, remove your /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 which gets left behind by frglx
[21:10] <Cuppa-Chino> ok (despite my better judgement) I will just blankly try and install fglrx again
[21:10] <DanaG> I'm trying to use fglrx, actually.
[21:10] <DanaG> It's not installing properly, though.
[21:11] <hassanakevazir> Nandou, you can try installing from the alternative cd and repairing it later from command line
[21:11] <DanaG>  /usr/lib/xorg/extra-modules/ -- what a weird path.
[21:12] <DanaG> ah, fixed it.
[21:12] <DanaG> had to purge fglrx-amdcccle and fglrx, and then reinstall them.
[21:12] <vish> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/ABetterThemeForLucid
[21:12] <vish> lol^
[21:13] <Hellow> vish: Nice theme name.
[21:14] <vish> Hellow: "wasnt me" though ;)
[21:14] <Hellow> Contributions
[21:14] <Hellow> The designer of the "amateur" theme, which I don't know who is
[21:18] <navetz> can someone help me fix my computer
[21:18] <vega> !ask | navetz
[21:18] <Hellow> navetz: That's a very vague question. What's wrong with it?
[21:19] <navetz> sorry i didn't mean to press enter
[21:19] <navetz> during the upgrade process everything broke
[21:19] <Hellow> Errors?
[21:19] <navetz> and now i don't have internet on my laptop either to fix the packages
[21:19] <navetz> says no dhclient
[21:20] <yofel> navetz: can you use a wired connection or configure the network by hand?
[21:20] <Hellow> navetz: Execute in a terminal: "ls /usr/bin | grep dhclient"
[21:20] <Hellow> Without the quotes.
[21:20] <Hellow> Tell me if there's output or not.
[21:20] <navetz> yofel: i am using a wired connection and i have tried to configure by hand
[21:21] <navetz> Hellow: okay give me 1 sec i was just rebooting to test
[21:21] <yofel> Hellow: dhclient should be /sbin/dhclient btw
[21:22] <Hellow> Actually, that's correct.
[21:22] <Hellow> navetz: Correction, execute "ls /sbin/ | grep dhclient"
[21:22] <Nandou> Hello, I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install the Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I was unable to install it so far as I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver which was resolved by using the "nomodeset" option but I can't go past the "b43-phy0 Error: found unsupported PHY". I have tried different options without any luck so far, does anyone have an idea on how I could install 10.
[21:23] <Nandou> I think I could boot my computer by blacklisting the b43 module
[21:24] <Nandou> but I have no idea if that's possible on a liveCD
[21:25] <navetz>  hello yes it shows dhclient and dhclient-script
[21:25] <yofel> Nandou: I think Sarvatt mentioned something like adding 'blacklist=<module>' to the kernel boot line before
[21:25] <Hellow> navetz: Then execute "sudo /sbin/dhclient"
[21:26] <Nandou> yofel: Okay I will try that
[21:26] <xguru> http://www.pastebin.org/126285
[21:26] <xguru> ooppss....well any help with that?
[21:27] <navetz> Hellow: looks like dhclient is a sym link to dhclient3, and i don't have dhclient
[21:27] <navetz> i mean i don't have dhclient3 ***
[21:27] <guntbert> !here | xguru
[21:28] <yofel> navetz: do you have 'dhcp3-client' installed?
[21:28] <xguru> trying to make my cd/dvd drive write +RW as dvd-rom
[21:28] <navetz> yofel: I use to, but during my upgrade to lucid things broke
[21:29] <yofel> navetz: do you have 'network-manager' installed?
[21:29] <Nandou> what's the name of the b43 module in lucid? bcm43xx b43legacy or just b43... ?
[21:29] <olga_> guys, i cant launch startupmanager , heres what i get, anyone any suggestions? sudo apt-get install zlib1 zlibc
[21:29] <Sarvatt> Nandou: that b43 error wouldn't stop the boot, it probably just happens its the last thing shown before whats actually stopping it kicks in. try booting with blacklist=nouveau to see if it works right and install nvidia-current which will blacklist nouveau when its installed. there's no point booting nouveau with nomodeset since there is no non-KMS nouveau support in the X driver anyway. removing splash from the command line might fix it as well
[21:30] <olga_> ah no, this : http://pastebin.com/0AeMbdvK
[21:30] <Nandou> Sarvatt: I will try right now
[21:30] <navetz> yofel: im not sure, I think so.
[21:30] <navetz> yofel: is there a way to reconfigure it?
[21:31] <yofel> navetz: then something's not right, n-m should depend on dchp3-client
[21:31] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Hi, sorry about the delay I recently watched a movie :P I have tried booting after removing the package nouveau but doesnt work.
[21:31] <navetz> yofel: things broke when i was upgrading. right now i can't get into X and nothing is upgraded properly
[21:31] <yofel> navetz: did you at least start with 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' ?
[21:32] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: And what did you mean with /usr mounted on another partition?
[21:32] <Sarvatt> Nandou: you need to install bcmwl-kernel-source for your wireless device to work though, it should be available in hardware drivers after you make it to the desktop
[21:32] <navetz> yofel: yes but that does nothing
[21:32] <yofel> navetz: ok, do you have *some* network connection on that system?
[21:32] <navetz> yofel:  when i do aptitude safe-upgrade lots of things show up but i have no network connection to fix it
[21:32] <Sarvatt> oxymoron: removing the nouveau package doesn't really do anything to fix your problem, you have a kernel module automatically loading thats not in a seperate package you can remove
[21:32] <navetz> yofel: no, no network connection is workign at all on the system
[21:33] <yofel> navetz: ok, do you have access to a wired connection?
[21:33] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Alright, how do I blacklist nouveau then in the kernel on bootup?
[21:33] <navetz> yofel: yes it is plugged in currently
[21:33] <yofel> navetz: ok, then let's do it the manual way
[21:33] <navetz> yofel: sure
[21:33] <Sarvatt> boot with blacklist=nouveau, you can hold shift while booting, select the kernel in grub and press e, scroll down to where you see quiet splash and add blacklist=nouveau after it
[21:34] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Sorry to ask but never done anything like that, what does the shift holding does?
[21:35] <Cuppa-Chino> here goes fglrx and another segfault ? fingers crossed
[21:35] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Btw, idsnt it possible to just use dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc and there in the boot command line add blacklist=nouveau?
[21:35] <Sarvatt> it lets you pick options in grub instead of silently booting ubuntu, ya wont need to do that if you  have another OS installed and see the grub menu now though
[21:35] <yofel> navetz: do you roughly know how your network is configured? (IP address of your router and the IP address that you usually get)
[21:36] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Ah cool, always good to now :)
[21:36] <navetz> yofel: yes, i usually get 192.168.0.100
[21:37] <yofel> navetz: ok, then please run 'sudo nano -w /etc/network/interfaces' and adjust eth0 to your wired interface, address is your IP and gateway is the routers IP http://paste.ubuntu.com/402589
[21:37] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Or maybe that not good, because it could break something. Ill try the blacklist=nouveau then :) Btw, do you know if nouveau stands for something, or why just that name/word?
[21:38] <DanaG> actually, if you just want to get it up temporarily, you can sudo ifconfig eth0 192.168.0.100
[21:38] <Sarvatt> you can add options to have grub use by default by editing /etc/default/grub, the line GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash" just add it to the end like GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash whatever" and sudo update-grub afterwards. I dont know why nouveau isnt getting blacklisted for you though if you have the nvidia proprietary drivers installed, the only situation where thats happening that I have seen are if /usr is mounted on a sepa
[21:38] <Sarvatt> rate partition
[21:38] <penguin42> yofel: Will that work if it's ever been NM'd ?
[21:38] <yofel> navetz: the paste has my servers setup here
[21:38] <DanaG> sudo route add default gw 192.168.0.1  (or .0.254, if that's the router).
[21:38] <yofel> penguin42: /etc/network/interfaces has a higher priority than NM
[21:38] <DanaG> and then edit /etc/resolv.conf to add nameserver 192.168.0.1.
[21:38] <penguin42> yofel: Ah OK, I've had bad experiences mixing them
[21:38] <DanaG> If dhclient doesn't exist... you can now install it. =þ
[21:39] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: If it works, what should I do? And if not, what then? :P
[21:39] <yofel> navetz: can you try what DanaG said, that might be actually faster right now
[21:39] <navetz> yofel: okay, im going to check to see what my netmask and gateway are
[21:40] <navetz> yofel:  ohh okay ill do what DanaG said
[21:40] <DanaG> what
[21:40] <DanaG> what's your router? .0.1, or .0.254?
[21:40] <navetz> DanaG: .0.1
[21:42] <DanaG> dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libGL.so.1 (used by debian/xserver-xephyr/usr/bin/Xephyr).
[21:42] <DanaG> argh
[21:43] <yofel> navetz: where are you now?
[21:43] <Nandou> Sarvatt: "blacklist=nouveau" didnt do the job, It
[21:43] <Cuppa-Chino> hooray it did not work
[21:43] <Nandou> It's still stuck
[21:44] <navetz> yofel: i am trying to add nameserver to the route.conf right now
[21:44] <DanaG> er, note to self: don't do dpkg-buildpackage while upgrading a package's build-deps.
[21:44] <Nandou> Sarvatt: But I receive the message [drm] nouveau 0000:02:00: PRAMIN flush timeout" wich I didnt receive with nomodeset
[21:45] <Cuppa-Chino> danag were you trying for the fgrlx ?
[21:45] <navetz> DanaG, yofel, it worked I have internet :)
[21:45] <DanaG> I got mine working -- had to purge and reinstall the two fglrx packages.
[21:45] <Nandou> either the blacklist=nouveau doesn't really work or I don't put it at the right place!
[21:45] <yofel> navetz: :) then aptitude should work now
[21:45] <DanaG> now I'm building an updated xorg with the don't-do-the-stupid-readback-from-video-ram patch.
[21:45] <Cuppa-Chino> danag which card ?
[21:45] <Cuppa-Chino> and which manufacturer of the card
[21:46] <DanaG> Mobility FireGL V5700 (HD3650, RV635).
[21:46] <navetz> yofel: alright, ill do safe-upgrade, sounds like the right thing?
[21:46] <Cuppa-Chino> k, I keep getting segfaults ? did you have those ?
[21:47] <yofel> navetz: for now yes
[21:47] <Sarvatt> Nandou: did you add it just after quiet splash?
[21:47] <Nandou> [...]initrd.lz blacklist=nouveau
[21:47] <Nandou> that's how I added it
[21:48] <Nandou> I removed the quiet splash --
[21:48] <bsmith093> does anyone know how to fix a update error involving the partition suddenly becoming a read only drive
[21:48] <penguin42> bsmith093: Is it still in that state?
[21:48] <bsmith093> ye
[21:48] <bsmith093> yes
[21:49] <penguin42> bsmith093: Do a dmesg and look at the errors it should show the errors that led up to that happening
[21:49] <bsmith093> i am running jaunty off a live cd the lucid system is unbootable
[21:49] <penguin42> oh, so you've rebooted ? What happened before that
[21:50] <bsmith093> i was updating it said something about ia32 i think
[21:50] <bsmith093> and then it said the system was readonly
[21:50] <bsmith093> segfaulted
[21:50] <bsmith093> and dpkg configure -a was no help
[21:51] <bsmith093> should i just install with todays build
[21:51] <penguin42> bsmith093: That's not good, if the filesystem went read-only it normally means there was an IO error or filesystem corruption on the drive being written to
[21:51] <bsmith093> i rebooted and it hung on a fsck
[21:51] <bsmith093> saying filesystem corrupted
[21:52] <bsmith093> but i checked it with gparted in the jaunty cd i have and it didnt say anything about errors
[21:52] <penguin42> bsmith093: Does smart show any errors? (smartctl -a )
[21:52] <bsmith093> how do i check now
[21:52] <bsmith093> im not running that partition
[21:53] <penguin42> bsmith093: From your CD do smartctl -a /dev/sda (if /dev/sda is your hard drive)
[21:53] <Nandou> Sarvatt: The "[drm] nouveau PRAMIN flush timeout error mesage does not show up at the same place thought, without blacklist=nouveau it happen right after the usb, with blacklist=nouveau it happen after the b43-phy0 ERROR
[21:54] <oxymoron> Sarvatt: Hmm, I couldnt find quiet splash when pressed e and edited commandline for boot kernel, but I tried blacklist=nouveau and same error still. I am not sure it is nouveau, plymouth or nvidia at all.
[21:54] <Nandou> oxymoron: are you also trying to boot a macbook?
[21:54] <oxymoron> Nandou: No, a normal PC ;)
[21:55] <Nandou> oxymoron: yeah... I miss my old dell right now
[21:55] <oxymoron> Nandou: Hehe :P Why so?
[21:55] <Nandou> oxymoron: cant's even boot from USB with thoses expansives piece of crap
[21:56] <bsmith093> so what output of smartctl do u want to know
[21:56] <penguin42> bsmith093: What does it say in the 'SMART Error Log' or 'SMART Self-test log structure'
[21:57] <oxymoron> Nandou: Hahahaham lol xD Thats the price you have to pay for Apples products, software incompatibilities like Itunes or in your case cant boot from USB sticks :P
[21:57] <penguin42> bsmith093: Or just pastebin the whole thing
[21:57] <bsmith093> smart error log version 1
[21:57] <bsmith093> no errors logged
[21:58] <bsmith093> and under log structure is a bunch of completeed without error
[21:58] <penguin42> bsmith093: OK, that's good - it means the drive thinks it's probably OK (unless any of the numbers have gone above threshold) - but that should mean the reason it went read-only wasn't a failing drive
[21:58] <bsmith093> so should i just burn todays build
[21:58] <bsmith093> and reinstall
[21:59] <penguin42> bsmith093: So you can fsck the fielsystem that's there, hope it fixes enough to then try and fight with whatever mess it's left or reinstall - it's safest to reinstall if you can
[21:59] <bsmith093> ok
[21:59] <penguin42> bsmith093: who knows what mess it's left it in - but it would be good to know why it went read-only - keep a look out for anything odd
[21:59] <bsmith093> oh um under type there are a lot of old age and prefail
[22:00] <bsmith093> this system is only 2 years old
[22:00] <penguin42> bsmith093: As long as there isn't anything in the 'WHEN_FAILED' field you're OK
[22:00] <bsmith093> should i be worried
[22:00] <bsmith093> ok thanx
[22:00] <bsmith093> btw where can i get the latest build
[22:00] <oxymoron> Nandou: Do you have any ideas how to boot Lucid, or do you have to wait until 8 april for next beta?
[22:01] <penguin42> bsmith093: Watch for 'reallocated_sector_ct' or similar that should always be 0 (or low if it loses the occasional one)
[22:01] <Nandou> oxymoron: I'm running in the same problem as you with the nouveau driver
[22:01] <bsmith093> reallocated sector ct is 200
[22:01] <oxymoron> Nandou: It feels like I have tried everything and I will NOT remove all my apps and settings for a clean install of a beta that maybe not work anyway :P
[22:02] <penguin42> bsmith093: Hmm - can you put the whole thing into a pastebin?
[22:02] <bsmith093> sure how
[22:02] <penguin42> (you have 6 mins - because then I go and watch Heroes!)
[22:02] <Nandou> oxymoron: I'm trying the liveCD to install lucid ..
[22:02] <oxymoron> Nandou: Its really strange, it just freeze and I have tried remove nouveau, plymouth, different things.
[22:02] <guntbert> !pastebin | bsmith093
[22:03] <oxymoron> Nandou: I wanted to upgrade my karmic to lucid ... to solve problems in karmic and got other errors instead xD
[22:03] <Nandou> oxymoron: but in your case cant you just add blacklist=nouveau in the /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf file?
[22:03] <Nandou> oxymoron: "blacklist nouveau" in fact... no "="
[22:04] <bsmith093> here http://paste.ubuntu.com/402599/
[22:04] <bsmith093> thats really cool btw
[22:04] <bsmith093> keeps people from pastebombing
[22:05] <oxymoron> Nandou: Yeah I could try that one, I havent tied that I am not that skilled yet but soon I will understand more and more :P
[22:05] <bsmith093> penguin42 http://paste.ubuntu.com/402599/
[22:05] <Nandou> oxymoron: Do you want to try?
[22:06] <penguin42> bsmith093: Yeh I think that's fine - the 'raw_value' for the reallocated are zero - that's a happy drive
[22:06] <bsmith093> ok then'
[22:06] <bsmith093> so its not going to up and die anytime soon
[22:06] <oxymoron> Nandou: Yes sure, I have two backup ways anyhow, for the moment I use LiveCD but I also have a parallell partition if my stable on *** up sort of speak, which it has xD Its quite annoying grub2 overwrite them depending on which one I used update-grub last on xD
[22:07] <penguin42> bsmith093: Well, it's currently happy - what it does the millisecond after you put critical data on it is anyones guess :-)
[22:07] <bsmith093> good point
[22:07] <bsmith093> so anyway whats the link for the most recent build of lucid
[22:07] <Nandou> oxymoron: But you are trying to boot your installed system, not just a liveCD right?
[22:07] <oxymoron> Nandou: Exactly what does modprobe and blacklist do? If I blacklist nouveau, does that mean the module doesnt load on kernel init?
[22:07] <penguin42> bsmith093: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[22:07] <bsmith093> thans
[22:08] <oxymoron> Nandou: yes of course
[22:08] <Nandou> oxymoron: well, I tryed blacklist=nouveau on my own computer and it look like it's being loaded anyhow
[22:09] <Nandou> oxymoron: that's why I think it would be better in your case to blacklist using the blacklist.conf file
[22:09] <oxymoron> Nandou: Strange, well I try that and see if it helps someway. But even if it do, what should I do once I get inside? :D
[22:09] <Nandou> oxymoron: you mean?? with ubuntu?
[22:10] <oxymoron> Nandou: When I suceed to boot into Kubuntu Lucid Beta1 I mean ;)
[22:10] <oxymoron> Nandou: Hmm I wonder if it is any difference between Ubuntu and Kubuntu in bootup
[22:10] <gringochapin> Hi all, we discussed it some in the #ubuntu-locoteams chan, but I thought I'd ask in here.  Any ideas on why hardware testing through the GNome "system testing" util is failing when trying to submit results?
[22:11] <Nandou> oxymoron: You want to know how to setup the drivers or just how to use ubuntu?
[22:11] <oxymoron> Nandou: I know how to use ubuntu ... lol. I mean if I get inside should I update, change some settings or anything? :P
[22:12] <brainproxy> upgraded my netbook to the beta, installed gvim and noticed there's no icon for it that got added to the main apps menu
[22:12] <brainproxy> easy way to add that?
[22:13]  * oxymoron is brb
[22:13] <yofel> gringochapin: try asking in #ubuntu-testing
[22:13] <Nandou> oxymoron: I don't know! If you have a nvidia card you might want to find another nvidia driver for your video card..
[22:13] <gringochapin> Will do.
[22:13] <Nandou> oxymoron: wireless... etc..
[22:13] <gringochapin> yofel: thanks.
[22:14] <randomusr> updates broke some things
[22:15] <randomusr> Flash player is funky, my twn key doesn't work, and moving between windows is crap at best
[22:15] <randomusr> what happened?
[22:15] <yofel> brainproxy: do you have 'vim-gui-common' installed?
[22:16] <ddelony> How is battery life on an EEE PC with 10.04 compared with the last version?
[22:17] <brainproxy> yofel: i installed gvim
[22:17] <brainproxy> from cmd line
[22:17] <brainproxy> then undid that
[22:17] <brainproxy> and did it through the gui software panel
[22:18] <brainproxy> yes, the pkg you named is installed
[22:18] <yofel> brainproxy: what I mean is, dpkg -S tells me: vim-gui-common: /usr/share/applications/gvim.desktop
[22:18] <yofel> that should be the menu entry
[22:19] <randomusr> does anyone know why recent updates would break any functionality on 10.04?
[22:19] <yofel> randomusr: it's beta (ok, sry) when did you update the last time?
[22:20] <randomusr> friday morning or last night
[22:20] <randomusr> very recent anyway
[22:21] <randomusr> yofel, is there a way to remove the latest updates?
[22:22] <yofel> nope (well you could check the dpkg log to find the package names and hope that you still have the old .deb files /var/cache/apt/archives)
[22:22] <mozmck2> how do you set up IRC in empathy?  I can't find it at all in lucid
[22:22] <randomusr> yuck
[22:25] <arand> mozmck2: setup another account first, then IRC, (stupid, indeed)
[22:26] <mozmck2> yuck, I don't have another account to setup
[22:26] <mozmck2> I hate all the social networking stuff on the internet
[22:26] <KDesk> hi, how is the lucid stability, specialy with KDE?
[22:27] <arand> mozmck2: And empathy isn't really meant for IRC at all.
[22:28] <Nandou> On a MacBookPro5,3 , I can't boot the liveCD to install ubuntu lucid lynx, I receive the message : "[drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PRAMIN flush timeout". With the option "blacklist=nouveau" the boot process is being interrupted by the same error message but it's not happening at the same place, without blacklist it happen right after the USB detection and with blacklist it happen after : "init: unreadahead-other main p
[22:29] <Nandou> while reading I found the option rdblacklist wich I thought could solve my problem but it didnt and I'm still stuck at that point
[22:30] <oxymoron> Nandou: I reached success now, it was something like set gfxpayload and quiet splash was removed in kernel command line xD
[22:31] <oxymoron> Nandou: But I got the plymouth video thing, really awesome except that it doesnt finish the preloader and continue to my desktop xD
[22:32] <arand> oxymoron: mind sharing steps&syntax for gfxpayload?
[22:34] <oxymoron> arand: set gfxpayload = keep, that line I removed ... because it were inside in grub and kernel boot. But you go into grub, highlight your kernel, press e key on keyboard and then you can edit the command for boot kernel, there no gfxpayload should be as it were for me and quiet splash must be added. Not sure if it was only for me, but it aint work before thats for sure
[22:35] <mozmck2> arand: then pidgin is still *way* better than empathy :)
[22:36]  * oxymoron will brb and try to boot again with nvidia and nouveau turned on.
[22:36] <ddecator> can someone please ping me a sec? i'm trying to test something
[22:37] <yofel> ddecator: ping
[22:37] <ddecator> yofel: thanks...didn't work =\
[22:43] <monkey_dust> what does /etc/network/interfaces look like, for static IP addrz
[22:43] <monkey_dust> what does /etc/network/interfaces look like, for static IP address, without network manager -- google did not show working solutions - hints & tips?
[22:43] <yofel> monkey_dust: here's what I have here http://paste.ubuntu.com/402589/
[22:44] <monkey_dust> yofel, specifically for wireless -- eth0 works
[22:45] <yofel> oh, don't you need wpa_supplicant for that too?
[22:45] <monkey_dust> idd, i read that, but is it mandatory or optional?
[22:46] <yofel> don't know, sry
[22:47] <monkey_dust> don't be, nor do i
[22:48] <yofel> If I'm not mistaken wpa_supplicant is used to connect to the AP
[22:48] <DanaG> wpa_supplicant handles encryption stuff.
[22:50]  * oxymoron wants to know what to do if plymouth and almost everything work but the loadbar freeze after awhile and goes really really slow and doesnt continue to my desktop afterwards?
[22:51] <arand> Odd Bug #549919 , anyone for confirming/defirming?
[22:52] <Blue11> arand: are you using an nvidia card?
[22:53] <arand> Blue11: Indeed I am, driver related?
[22:53] <Blue11> arand: I've heard ther are problems with the nvidia drivers for lucid -- I am using the stock ati driver on this machine
[22:54] <arand> Blue11: However this was seen in a virualbox...
[22:54]  * Blue11 is not smart enough to run virtualbox
[22:54] <arand> Blue11: Would be great if you could test on ATI, to see if it is driver-related then ;)
[22:55] <Blue11> arand: yeah that's too advanced for me...
[22:55] <arand> Blue11: easiest way to get an active window is to start a download in FF and unfocus as it completes.
[22:56] <Blue11> arand: no idea what you mean by "unfocus"
[22:56] <arand> s/item/window\ list\ item/
[22:57] <arand> Blue11: click another window as to not have the download window in the foreground/as the currently active window.
[22:57] <Blue11> I;ve had no issues with that...
[22:58] <arand> Blue11: And you've tried?
[22:58] <Blue11> arand: not recently but i can
[22:59] <Blue11> arand: yah no problems
[22:59] <arand> Blue11: no half-colouring seen?
[23:00] <Blue11> arand: no
[23:00] <DanaG> argh, fglrx keeps causing "X server caught in a loop"
[23:00] <DanaG> http://pastebin.com/m82R42M3
[23:00] <Blue11> what is a plymouth theme?
[23:01] <arand> Blue11: Hmm, mind adding a comment on the bug noting that, and that you have an ATI card?
[23:01] <Blue11> yeah let me scroll up and see if I can find the link
[23:02] <arand> Blue11: Aw, you didn't look at the nice video I made :(
[23:03] <Blue11> done
[23:03] <Blue11> i dont know what an ogv file is
[23:05] <trevor> Hey, I was just wondering what version of lucid lynx is currently available. I heard that it was goign to be released in April, but that there are betas available or something?
[23:05] <arand> Blue11: ogg video, should be playable from ubuntu straight out...
[23:05] <Blue11> i can try no guar. I have the codecs for it.
[23:05] <arand> !topic | trevor
[23:06] <trevor> Ok thanks.
[23:07] <arand> trevor: Sorry I was guessing that command would actually print the topic... rather than be accusing.
[23:07] <trevor> Oh no problem.
[23:08] <trevor> I'm excited to try out lucid lynx. I'm wondering if upgrading from Koala would be a good move, because I had problems with wireless when I first installed it, and would like to avoid that.
[23:08] <trevor> I'm also excited to see the new look. I heard that not much was changing, but the "human" focus on orange was going to be changed.
[23:08] <arand> But yea, first beta, second to come on
[23:08] <arand> April 8th
[23:11] <oxymoron> trevor: I would NOT recommen upgrade from Karmic ;)
[23:11] <oxymoron> not yet anyway
[23:12] <brianherman> how come whenever I do apt-get upgrade lucid
[23:12] <trevor> Ya I"ll probably just do a fresh install and deal with it.
[23:12] <brianherman> something breaks
[23:12] <trevor> That's always safest.
[23:12] <BUGabundo> brianherman: welcome to DEVEL
[23:13] <brianherman> oh
[23:13] <brianherman> ok
[23:13] <brianherman> so dont do that
[23:13]  * BUGabundo checks for updates
[23:14] <arand> BUGabundo: What video driver are you on for Lucid?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> nvidia blob
[23:15] <arand> BUGabundo: And do you see Bug #549919 ?
[23:15] <BUGabundo> no
[23:16] <DanaG> argh, damnit... I updated packages, and it FORCIBLY changed my button settings.... AGAIN.
[23:16] <DanaG> I had already changed them back to the way I wanted them.
[23:16] <arand> I have it in both vbox and with nouveau afik.
[23:17] <DanaG> ah, had to reapply Human theme to fix it.
[23:18] <penguin42> anyone got any idea how ubuntu-bug knows which web browser to use? It's trying to use one I removed
[23:18] <BUGabundo> DanaG: yeah I get that sometimes
[23:18] <penguin42> x-www-browser is working, so it's not that
[23:18] <brianherman> my sound is broken in lucid i have a macbook pro 4,1
[23:18] <DanaG> At least now it's per-theme.
[23:18] <penguin42> ah - preferrred applications
[23:18] <arand> penguin42: and the preferred application is set properly in gnome?
[23:19] <arand> :D
[23:19] <penguin42> arand: Interest really that x-www-browser doesn't use that
[23:19] <brianherman> :(
[23:19] <BUGabundo> brianherman: $ ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[23:20] <BUGabundo> and ping crimsun in #ubuntu-audio-help
[23:20] <brianherman> ok
[23:20] <brianherman> cool
[23:20] <brianherman> thanks
[23:21] <lontra> i am curious if anyone gets flicker of X occasionally with the intel driver and whether they know how i can fix plymouth so that it displays a theme? it worked when i install beta1
[23:23] <oxymoron> How da heck do you remove a package that try to use /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme when it should be deleted from dpkg? xD
[23:23] <oxymoron> Like this: "/var/lib/dpkg/info/lubuntu-plymouth-theme.postrm: 34: /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme: not found"
[23:23] <ZykoticK9> oxymoron, plymouth-set-default-theme is currently broken!  was working a day or so ago, but not after most recent updates
[23:23] <yofel> oxymoron: oh, we had that yesterday... 'sudo chmod +x /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-sefault-theme'
[23:24] <yofel> s/sefault/default/
[23:24] <ZykoticK9> yofel, is that all you need to do to fix it?  wow, thats easy - thank you.
[23:25] <yofel> ZykoticK9: that file should be empty, an empty executable file will be handled by the shell as an app returning exit code 0
[23:25] <oxymoron> yofel: That file doesnt even exist? :P
[23:25] <ZykoticK9> oxymoron, yofel doesn't exist on my system either
[23:25] <yofel> oxymoron: oh, then 'touch <file>' first ^^
[23:25] <oxymoron> ZykoticK9: Yes, but how to remove that package lubuntu-theme?
[23:26] <ZykoticK9> oxymoron, i have no idea sorry
[23:26] <brianherman> can i go back to ubuntu-9.10 alsa
[23:26] <ZykoticK9> yofel, should we really create an empty file and make it executable?  is that going to help?
[23:27] <yofel> ZykoticK9: that file will simply return true when executed, it won't break anything
[23:27] <oxymoron> yofel: Thanks for your typo, I created wrong file because I copied yours xD
[23:27] <yofel> oxymoron: sry ^^
[23:28] <oxymoron> yofel: Its alright, just had to say it :P
[23:28] <oxymoron> yofel: Btw, that fixed it, thank you :)
[23:29] <DanaG> interesting... if I run furmark in wine, then trying to drag the window around will result in horrid lag and loopyness.
[23:29] <oxymoron> yofel: Awesome hack to create the file so it try to use it but actually dont :P
[23:32] <yofel> oxymoron: welcome to the world  of devel testing :P
[23:33] <oxymoron> yofel: Hehe thank you :) Actually I am used to devel test, but yes this kind of testing is new to me :P
[23:33] <trevor> Hey, I have heard a lot of people talking about the new look of ubuntu lucid lynx being really cool, and based on light, but all I have seen is a sort of purple background in videos and screen shots. Is the purple look the one they are talking about?
[23:33] <oxymoron> yofel: Before I felt cool just to use apt-get and now I can use dpkg and make much more advanced stuff :P
[23:33] <ZykoticK9> yofel, ok just to be clear - creating that file will solve some plymouth related issue, but won't actually let "sudo plymouth-set-default-theme --list" work correct?
[23:34] <yofel> ZykoticK9: no, as that file will do exactly nothing
[23:34] <yofel> that hack is only good to get dpkg working again
[23:34] <ZykoticK9> yofel, ya ok - i didn't understand how a blank executable was going to do anything (but in the proper context i get it) thanks
[23:37] <almoxarife> anyone having issues with the weather/temp showing on the clock on the panel??
[23:37] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, isn't work at all for me
[23:37] <almoxarife> ZykoticK9: was working before
[23:38] <almoxarife> seems like it stopped after the last update
[23:38] <ZykoticK9> almoxarife, i wouldn't know, just tried a day or so ago - and it hasn't worked for me
[23:39] <FFForever> what is the difference from 8 -rw-r--r-- 1 and 4 -rw-r--r-- 1?
[23:39] <almoxarife> anyone else having samba issues?
[23:39] <penguin42> FFForever: if that's with an ls -ls then the 8 is a file that's about twice the size of the one with the 4
[23:40] <FFForever> Ahhh
[23:41] <gatlin> has anyone else had trouble with booting on amd64? I tried the live CD of Lucid Beta 1 (and the latest daily as of yesterday) and I cannot get past the splash screen.  Nothing will happen for 5 hours (as far as I checked)
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> I'm running 64 bit atm gatlin
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> installed with the beta 1 iso
[23:41] <Ian_Corne> ati card
[23:42] <Ian_Corne> intel cpu
[23:42] <gatlin> ah, it's an ECS mobo (I know ...) with an nvidia chipset and an nvidia graphics card (Athlon 64 x2 4200+)
[23:42] <gatlin> the parens meant CPU, not typing clearly
[23:44] <histo> gatlin: No problems here
[23:44] <histo> gatlin: can you boot in recovery mode?
[23:46] <gatlin> I am away from the machine at the moment unfortunately, I was mainly checking to see if there was some known bug on certain architectures.  I saw similar complaints with Kubuntu Lucid beta if my skimming of launchpad was correct
[23:53] <bjsnider> gatlin, nforce chipset?
[23:56] <gatlin> I don't believe so
[23:57] <bjsnider> "... with an nvidia chipset ..."
[23:57] <bjsnider> what did you mean by that?
[23:57] <gatlin> according to all the literature on the mobo it's all essentially nvidia parts
[23:58] <bjsnider> nforce is what they call their chipset
[23:58] <gatlin> oh, alright.  Well, then, yes :)
[23:58] <bjsnider> it is often problematic on linux
[23:58] <bjsnider> when choosing linux hardware, go all intel if possible
[23:58] <gatlin> 9.10 works pretty well