/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/27/#ubuntu-manual.txt

godbykcan you point me at what changes you expected to see and don't?00:01
dakerthe new css/styled.css & the new images/header.png00:03
godbykthe server says it's running the latest revision00:03
dakerwhat :O00:03
godbykdoes refreshing the page help?00:04
godbykthe header looks the same in my browser as it does in the repository, as far as I can see.00:04
dakerfu*** cache00:06
godbyk:)00:06
godbykalso, depending on when you pushed the changes, the server only updates every half hour (at x:00 and x:30).00:06
godbykSo when I looked, it had just ticked past the hour mark and may have updated.00:07
dakeroki00:07
godbykDo you have it set so the website can detect the browser language and use the appropriate translation?00:08
dakeryes00:08
godbykawesome00:08
dakeri have to upload the new pot file for the new strings00:08
godbyksure00:09
dakeri have to wait for dutchie00:12
godbykhow do you generate a pot file from the php pages?00:14
dakerwith my hands :)00:16
dakerfirst i used a php function00:16
humphreybchey daker00:16
dakerhi :)00:16
humphreybcnice work on the site, looks a lot better with left aligned text :)00:16
humphreybcand i noticed some of the text has already been translated!00:17
dakerwe can't update the strings ?00:17
ubuntujenkinshello humphreybc we have a cd sized live disk with the help of godbyk and Red_HamsterX how ever there isn't enough space for quickshot yet00:17
humphreybchaha00:18
humphreybchow big is quickshot?00:18
humphreybchave you managed to fit all of the language packs on?00:18
humphreybcdaker, really? The spanish one and the czech one has some stuff translated already somehow00:19
ubuntujenkins83.7 kb i think we will get it on humphreybc but we could do with some more space if anyone adds a languge all the language packs so far are on there00:19
godbykwe'll make it fit.00:19
humphreybcgood work team00:19
godbykwe just have to cull some more packages.00:19
humphreybcwhat'd you have to remove to make it fit?00:19
godbykthe kernel00:20
godbykand the boot system.00:20
ubuntujenkinswell you only have a command line now00:20
humphreybc=|00:20
humphreybclol00:20
ubuntujenkinsany thing that said ubuntu00:20
Red_HamsterXdebian/hurd!00:20
humphreybcoaky00:20
Red_HamsterXTHE FUTURE IS NOW!00:20
godbyklol00:20
humphreybcsounds like an awesome Live CD00:20
godbykit boots incredibly fast now, though. ;-)00:20
ubuntujenkinsopenoffice.org-core openoffice* pitivi gedit compiz* gnome-utils transmission* gnome-games-common gbrainy openssh-client rsync bzr apport apport-gtk fakeroot gcalctool gnome-screensaver vino nano samba* fakeroot gstreamer* jockey* gparted example-content cups virt-manager qemu-kvm devhelp dhelp gimp-help gnome-help anacron app-install-data apparmor linux-firmware libc6-dev make manpages gcc m4 vinagre file-roller seaho00:20
ubuntujenkinsrse aptitude linux-libc-dev manpages-dev dnsutils ubuntu-sounds hplip-data linux-headers-* is the list so far00:20
humphreybcyou can remove all the audio stuff like pulse and alsa00:20
humphreybcyou removed open office?00:21
humphreybcdon't we have to screenshot that?00:21
ubuntujenkinsnope rhyhambox needs it00:21
ubuntujenkinsnope00:21
humphreybcah okay00:21
ubuntujenkinsnot this release its a really short section00:21
humphreybcokay00:21
godbykubuntujenkins: what was the screenshot we wanted to kill?00:21
ubuntujenkinsplus openoffice is huuuuuugggggggeeee00:21
ubuntujenkinsin built help00:21
godbykah, yes.00:21
ubuntujenkinsalso humphreybc the screenshots in english are complete00:21
humphreybcyeah i saw that :D00:22
humphreybcrockin!00:22
godbykubuntu-docs is 25 MB.00:22
humphreybcso the live CD still works with all that stuff gone?00:22
humphreybccan we remove the memory test00:22
godbykshould work well enough for our needs.00:22
humphreybcand what happens when there are UI updates?00:23
ubuntujenkinsworks in virtual box00:23
ubuntujenkinsI update the image00:23
humphreybcneat00:23
ubuntujenkinsall scripted00:23
humphreybcawesome!00:23
dakerhumphreybc, so ?00:23
* godbyk is hungry -- waiting for his food to be delivered.00:23
ubuntujenkinssorry daker sotle your thunder00:24
ubuntujenkins*stole00:24
* daker is gonna be crasy with the UMP Team00:24
godbykheh00:24
godbykI think you have to already be crazy to be a member of the UMP team. :)00:25
dakerhhh00:25
humphreybcsorry, daker what did you want to know?00:31
dakeri have changed all strings with new strings from the mockups00:34
dakerif upload the pot file will the old strings disappear ?00:35
godbykprobably00:35
dakerhumphreybc, check the text00:36
dakerhttp://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?notyet00:36
dakerhttp://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?unavailable00:37
godbykI would recommend adding some text on those two pages that helps the user find what they're looking for.00:38
godbykthe notyet page could link to the latest released manual, for instance.00:38
dakeri m not good in english00:38
godbykand the unavailable page could suggest the most common pages that people would want (home, download, ..?)00:39
godbykdaker: you don't have to write it yourself. I'm just tossing out ideas.00:39
godbykIf no one else it up for it, I'll write some text a bit later for those pages.00:39
humphreybcyeah that's cool, good idea godbyk00:40
humphreybcyou could have "The requested version of the Ubuntu Manual is not yet released."00:40
humphreybcthen on a new line underneath:00:40
humphreybc"However, you can see the current editions available for download here."00:40
humphreybcand the "here" is a hyperlink to the downloads page00:40
godbykI would link directly to it.00:40
godbykBe specific, not generic.00:40
dakerhumphreybc, godbyk http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?lang=ar00:41
humphreybchey  that is cool00:41
godbykSay: "The latest version of the manual is <i>Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04</i>." etc.00:41
godbykdaker: that is so awesome! great job! :)00:41
humphreybcthat looks wicked00:42
daker:)00:42
humphreybcthe website is looking fantastic daker00:43
humphreybceveryone is going to be blown away00:43
godbykdefinitely00:43
humphreybcno wonder everyone assumes we're "official"00:43
humphreybcwe're doing such an awesome job it'd be hard to believe we're all just volunteers :D00:44
dakeryeah00:44
dakerhumphreybc, i need the images for the homepage(slideshow)00:44
humphreybcgodbyk: It's really awesome how ubuntujenkins has gone through and put the english shots in, now we can work on the captions00:45
humphreybcI think we're *almost* on schedule00:45
ubuntujenkinsplease do mine are rubbish00:45
humphreybcdaker: sure, i'll sort that out today :)00:45
godbykhumphreybc: yeah, I'll add the captions to my to-do list.00:45
humphreybcdaker, what does the slideshow look like?00:45
godbykmake sure they're up to speed00:45
dakerfade effect00:45
humphreybccould you chuck in some placeholder images just so I can see it in action, so I know what I need to make?00:45
humphreybcgodbyk: yeah we have 4 days till the writing freeze to make sure there are zero errors in the manual, otherwise I'm 20 euro poorer00:46
godbykhumphreybc: can I start panicking now?00:46
humphreybcgodbyk: sure00:46
humphreybcAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!00:47
godbykI have to spend a good part of tomorrow helping a friend move, too. :-/00:47
godbyk:)00:47
humphreybcpriorities kevin, priorities00:47
humphreybc:P00:47
Red_HamsterXSpend the part while your connection's down.00:47
humphreybclol00:48
humphreybcso Red_HamsterX, how stable is quickshot?00:48
* humphreybc really cannot wait to try it out00:48
ubuntujenkinswell i am working on a ppa00:48
godbyklol00:48
* ubuntujenkins agrees with dutchie ppas are hard00:49
Red_HamsterXYou can try it now, if you want. It's just not polished and it's lacking real data.00:49
humphreybcjust from the branch?00:49
Red_HamsterXWe've got everything working.00:49
Red_HamsterXYeah.00:49
ubuntujenkinsi will send you a package00:49
humphreybcokay neat00:49
Red_HamsterXOr that.00:49
humphreybcamd64?00:49
ubuntujenkinsits and all packages00:49
ubuntujenkins*package00:49
humphreybcalso, where are we going to host the ISO?00:49
Red_HamsterXOh, actually, that's a good point...00:50
ubuntujenkinswell the server but (ubuntu-manual) but we may need another one depending on downloads00:50
Red_HamsterXIs it amd64?00:50
Red_HamsterXIf so, making it i386 might reduce the filesize.00:50
ubuntujenkinsno the iso is I38600:51
humphreybcubuntujenkins: okay you'll have to make sure godbyk has the ISO by wednesday so he can host it00:51
ubuntujenkinsright message recived00:51
ubuntujenkinsRed_HamsterX: does quiclky run work for you we have a merge at some point to day00:52
ubuntujenkinsthats fine my end related just got a new branch00:53
ubuntujenkinspanik over00:53
humphreybclol00:54
ubuntujenkinsits 12.54 am here00:54
dakerhumphreybc, will be up in 6min as godbyk sad00:54
Red_HamsterXPanic? What?00:54
humphreybcdaker: awesome, so you added in some temporary pictures to the slideshow00:54
ubuntujenkinsRed_HamsterX: just me getting stressed due to over tiredness00:55
humphreybc:)00:55
ubuntujenkinsi want this ppa working00:56
humphreybcwill the PPA have the ISO in it, or the package?00:57
ubuntujenkinspackage there will be a daily and a release ppa00:58
humphreybcawesome00:58
ubuntujenkinsso i can put it on my lucid box without needing a whole cd00:58
ubuntujenkinse-mail sent humphreybc00:58
humphreybcsweet00:59
humphreybchere goes!00:59
ubuntujenkinsit appears under aplications >> accsories01:00
humphreybcyup01:00
humphreybcyou should put a higher resolution icon in the menu :P01:00
ubuntujenkinsyou made it :P01:01
humphreybclol01:01
* humphreybc is switching user01:01
ubuntujenkinshumphreybc: don't say anything I want to hear it all I need to reboot01:03
godbykwe need photos of grandmothers and children using our manual. :)01:04
humphreybcthat's wicked!01:05
humphreybcgodbyk: absolutely. anyone have an istock account? :P01:05
godbykthat's cheating!01:06
dakerhttp://test.ubuntu-manual.org/ humphreybc01:06
humphreybcthat's awesome!01:07
* humphreybc is overwhelmed by the awesomeness in this team01:07
Red_HamsterX"Features" is covered by the image.01:07
Red_HamsterX(Possibly because I'm using small fonts)01:07
humphreybcdaker: maybe change the timing so that each image is displayed a bit longer?01:07
dakeroki01:08
daker5sec ?01:08
humphreybcRed_HamsterX: looks fine to me in Chrome and Firefox, I'm using size 901:08
ubuntujenkinshumphreybc: back01:08
humphreybcdaker, what's it set to now?01:08
humphreybcokay so quickshot stuff01:08
humphreybcit didn't set my screen res correctly, but I set it using monitors fine01:08
Red_HamsterXDunno, then.01:09
humphreybcIn the last screen, where you can choose a shot and see descriptions01:09
ubuntujenkinswhats your graphics card again?01:09
humphreybcI think the "Cancel" button needs to be "Close"01:09
Red_HamsterXI've made a note of that.01:09
ubuntujenkinsI think i can solve the grahpics problem01:09
Red_HamsterX(EtherPad)01:09
ubuntujenkinsthe button can be changes01:09
ubuntujenkins*changed01:10
humphreybcbecause after I had taken some screenshots, and uploaded them (they were all pending approval) I had to think for a second whether I hit Next to upload them or hit Cancel - but if I hit cancel, my work might be lost?01:10
humphreybcMaybe it'd be better to change it to "Finish"01:10
Red_HamsterXMaybe we need to change the status text, too.01:10
humphreybcthe Help > About window can be changed to reflect the real developers names so you guys get credit - myself and tommy haven't done a lot01:10
Red_HamsterX"uploaded; pending aproval"?01:10
humphreybcubuntujenkins: ATI HD260001:10
humphreybcRed_HamsterX: yeah that will work better01:10
humphreybcwhere did the screenshots go that I took?01:11
Red_HamsterXMy server.01:11
humphreybcneat01:11
Red_HamsterXhttp://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan/screencaps/data/01:11
humphreybcI love it how gedit automatically opens with some sample text01:11
ubuntujenkinshumphreybc: open driver?01:11
humphreybcyep01:12
humphreybcare the gedit ones just test shots?01:12
Red_HamsterXYeah.01:12
humphreybccool01:12
Red_HamsterXThose arew just dummy entries to test things.01:12
humphreybcdaker what size do the images have to be on the main page?01:12
humphreybcsweet01:12
Red_HamsterXI'll add real entries tonight and tomorrow.01:12
ubuntujenkinscan you post lshw -C display for me please, this is where I need bug reports of ones that dont'work ( humphreybc )01:12
humphreybcit's looking really awesome though, i'm really impressed. considering the short amount of time you guys had!01:12
humphreybcubuntujenkins: sure01:13
ubuntujenkinsthe more bugs on non reolution change we get the better01:13
Red_HamsterXtiteuf did a lot for making the GUI simple and functional.01:13
ubuntujenkins*resolution01:13
humphreybchttp://paste.ubuntu.com/402132/01:13
dakerhumphreybc, width="310" height="296"01:13
humphreybcdaker: cool01:14
humphreybcdaker: I'll make some images for you now01:14
ubuntujenkinsRed_HamsterX: are you editing the bin/quickshot file now?01:14
Red_HamsterXI'm not doing anything at this moment.01:15
humphreybcdaker: i'll email them to you in an hour or so01:15
Red_HamsterX(I've got a DHCP server issue to resolve)01:15
ubuntujenkinscool just making a change01:15
dakerhumphreybc, that's fine01:15
humphreybcubuntujenkins: another thing, is it possible to disable certain things in the quickshot user?01:15
Red_HamsterXI won't be touching the code 'til at least twenty-four hours from now.01:15
humphreybcfor example, if we can disable docky from starting01:15
Red_HamsterXEverything I'll edit will be server-side.01:15
ubuntujenkinsok thanks Red_HamsterX01:16
humphreybc(I have docky installed and it starts by default)01:16
Red_HamsterXdocky?01:16
ubuntujenkinserm I will have a think01:16
humphreybck01:16
ubuntujenkinsthats easier said than done01:16
ubuntujenkinsawn doesn't start for me01:16
Red_HamsterXWouldn't the Quickshot user be completely free from such things?01:17
ubuntujenkinsaparently not01:17
* godbyk is still waiting for his food to arrive. :-(01:17
Red_HamsterXThat seems to suggest that there's something wrong with the other package.01:18
Red_HamsterX:(01:18
Red_HamsterXGo stab people.01:18
Red_HamsterXStabbing makes time pass quickly01:18
Red_HamsterXAnd they may drop candy.01:18
godbykheh.01:18
ubuntujenkinshumphreybc: it should work now, if you remove the old package and add the one in your e-mail inbox and give it a wirl01:21
humphreybcawesome01:31
humphreybcill try it in a sec01:32
humphreybcshould i remove the quickshot user?01:32
ubuntujenkinserm not any more did it auto launch last time?01:33
humphreybcyup01:34
humphreybcquickshot started before the gnome session did01:34
ubuntujenkinsjust before if you had one that had bzr related stuff in01:34
ubuntujenkinsswwwweeeeeeeeeeettttttttttt01:34
humphreybcyou *could* add a slight delay to quickshot loading01:34
humphreybcbut it's not that important01:34
ubuntujenkinsadded to the list01:35
jamindayubuntujenkins: hey - no i'm not editing (he replies 5 hrs later!!!)01:35
ubuntujenkinsnp problem jaminday I like to check before doing changes in lots of files01:36
ubuntujenkinsall of the screenshots are now in01:36
jamindaygreat01:37
humphreybcubuntujenkins: yep, it works! you're awesome101:37
jamindayhumphreybc: you get my mugshot?01:37
humphreybcyup sure did01:37
humphreybclooking good dude haha01:37
ubuntujenkinsnot really me that stuffs easy, any promotion after its relese can you ask for people to check for autores changes01:37
humphreybcsure01:38
ubuntujenkinsta01:38
humphreybcit might be worth fine tuning some of the wording in the quickshot text01:38
ubuntujenkinswill do :-) any suggestions are welcome01:39
jamindayhumphreybc: hehe01:39
Red_HamsterXRewording will be part of polishing.01:39
humphreybcUMP is just getting more and more awesome every day01:39
humphreybcRed_HamsterX: sweet :D01:40
* humphreybc is listening to the Kraken from Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack01:40
humphreybclol01:40
Red_HamsterXMAking it delay its startup should e easy, too.01:40
Red_HamsterXWe could just put a 'sleep 2' or somethin in the rc file.01:40
humphreybcyeah, maybe just a 5 or 10 second delay01:40
ubuntujenkinsI know01:40
ubuntujenkinsI can do that tomorrow01:41
humphreybc:D01:41
Red_HamsterXJust put it in the pad and one of us'll do it.01:41
humphreybcwhere's the pad?01:41
Red_HamsterXhttp://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/aA6ygCXL9F01:42
humphreybcthanks01:42
nvsblquestion: will physical copies of the manual be available for purchase at any time in the future?01:42
humphreybcoh right01:42
humphreybcTHAT pad01:42
humphreybc:)01:42
humphreybcnvsbl: yup they will be :)01:42
humphreybcwe're going to publish it through lulu.com01:42
jamindayOn a side note - is anyone using banshee from the unstable ppa?01:43
nvsblthats awesome, thanks01:43
* ubuntujenkins is going to go all linux outlaws and use #blamepo pey01:45
humphreybclol01:46
ubuntujenkinsanyone know how i sign a file with my pgp key?01:52
ubuntujenkinsa pen will not work :P01:53
daker$ gpg --clearsign file  ?01:59
ubuntujenkinsdaker: that deoesn't work i am afraid02:00
dakerhttp://www.sonatype.com/people/2010/01/how-to-generate-pgp-signatures-with-maven/02:00
daker$ gpg -ab file02:01
Red_HamsterXAre you trying to encrypt the file or just prove it's yours?02:02
ubuntujenkinsI think prove its mine02:02
Red_HamsterXClearsign's what I'd use, then.02:03
Red_HamsterXUnless it's binary.02:03
ubuntujenkinsare sorry daker i made a typo02:03
ubuntujenkinsthanks02:03
dakerdon't worry02:06
dakergodbyk, can u write the text for the previous pages ?02:09
godbykdaker: which pages?02:09
daker<daker> http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?notyet02:10
daker<daker> http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?unavailable02:10
godbykah, sure.02:11
godbykgive me just a moment to finish eating and I'll write the text.02:11
* daker think that launchpad is bugging02:12
humphreybcdaker, i'm just going to email you the new images for the slideshow now02:12
humphreybcwait02:12
humphreybci can put it on my server :)02:13
godbykOkay, finished with supper.02:13
dakersure02:13
godbykLemme write daker's text.02:13
humphreybchttp://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/images.tar.gz02:13
humphreybcthat should work02:13
godbykdaker: on the ?notyet page, do we know which version they requested?02:14
dakerwe can02:14
humphreybcdaker, i had to make the images slightly higher, i hope that doesn't screw anything up02:14
dakernice02:18
dakeri remove this http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/images/gettingstartedguide.png02:19
ubuntujenkinsgggrrr i give up night all o/02:27
dakergood night02:27
godbykhey, daker. what's your email address?02:38
dakeradnane@ubuntu-manual.org02:38
godbykdaker: I emailed you some text for those pages.02:40
godbykLet me know if you have any questions.02:40
dakergreat02:42
dakeranother thing02:43
humphreybc:D02:44
dakeri need description for the pages : home,downloads,getinve,contrib02:44
humphreybcdid you put the new images on daker?02:44
dakerhumphreybc,  i remove this http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/images/gettingstartedguide.png02:44
daker?02:44
humphreybcdaker, yes02:44
dakeroki02:44
godbykdaker: as in <meta> descriptions?02:47
dakeryes02:48
dakerif we put the same description, it will be considered as duplicated content02:49
jamindayhumphreybc: when is the writing freeze exactly - in UTC time - so i know how many nights i've got left to work on it.02:49
humphreybcjaminday: dunno, probably 0000 UTC on the 31st02:49
humphreybcso midnight on the 31st02:49
jamindayok02:50
humphreybcwhich will mean you have most of April 1st to work on it :P02:50
humphreybcwell, a few hours02:50
jamindayyeah the more time the better02:50
humphreybcthe writing freeze won't hit me till thursday at about 1pm02:50
jamindayok so that means it'll be about 11am thurs for me02:50
humphreybcyeah02:50
jamindaycool thanks02:51
godbyk?home: "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04 is a free, comprehensive beginner's guide for the Ubuntu operating system."02:51
godbyk?downloads: "Download a PDF of Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04."02:52
godbyk?getinvolved: "Find out how you can help contribute to the Ubuntu Manual Project."02:52
godbyk?contrib: "The Ubuntu Manual team consists of a large number of volunteers: authors, translators, editors, designers, and developers."02:53
humphreybcgodbyk: yeah that's good02:53
dakergreat02:53
humphreybcalso, daker, those images are in order 1, 2, 3 402:54
dakeryeap02:54
humphreybcso if you can put them in order in the slideshow (i know it'll loop) that'd be great02:54
humphreybcit's sort of like a small walkthrough of the book02:54
dakeryes02:54
humphreybc:D02:55
humphreybcyou're doing an awesome job daker!02:55
dakerthanks02:55
dakerthe title "Getting Started with Ubuntu XX.YY" will be translate in the manual ?02:58
jamindayhey great progress bar on the site02:59
daker:)02:59
godbykdaker: yes, it will be translated.03:00
dakerok03:00
jamindayWell i gotta go play a wedding!03:01
jamindaybye all03:01
dakerbye03:01
humphreybchey daker, are you adding those new images to the site? I'm excited to see what they look like xD03:24
dakerjust minute i am adding godbyk's text03:25
humphreybc:)03:26
godbykSee, humphreybc.  This is how the world works.  Given a choice between working on my stuff or working on your stuff, people will always choose my stuff first.  :-P03:28
humphreybclol03:28
dakerhhh03:28
humphreybcgodbyk: isn't everyone working on my stuff? wasn't this whole thing my idea? :P03:35
dakerhumphreybc's stuff are already done03:35
humphreybcha!03:36
dakerfu*** we missed the xx:3003:36
humphreybc:D03:36
humphreybcdaker, hmm?03:36
dakerwe have to wait 30 min to see the changes03:36
humphreybcohh right03:37
humphreybchaha03:37
godbykheh03:37
godbykI'll do a manual pull for you guys03:37
humphreybcwell, just push your stuff now and i'll update in 20 minutes03:37
humphreybcmaybe godbyk should change it to every 15 mins :P03:37
dakeryeah03:37
godbykokay, I pulled.03:37
humphreybcneat03:38
humphreybcoh wow03:39
humphreybcthat's lovely03:39
dakernice03:39
humphreybcgood work daker!03:39
humphreybcit's perfect, nice and subtle03:39
humphreybclovely fade03:39
dakergreat03:40
* humphreybc can't stop staring at it03:41
* daker will hibernate in 10minutes03:42
humphreybci'll have to make a new image for the downloads page03:42
humphreybci'll do that tomorrow03:42
dakeryeah03:42
godbykif you're going to use a cover image, use thorwil's, not the one in the pdf.03:43
godbyk(I haven't finished fixing up the pdf's cover page yet)03:43
humphreybcwhat's the difference?03:44
dakerhumphreybc, What time is it now?03:45
humphreybcdaker, it's 4:45pm my time03:45
humphreybcon saturday03:45
nisshhwhat about saturday?03:45
godbyklots of little things.03:46
humphreybcoh, just telling daker my time03:46
godbykfont sizes, positions of graphics.03:46
godbyketc., etc.03:46
humphreybcnisshh: check out this, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org03:46
humphreybcgodbyk: okay i'll change it tomorrow03:46
daker3:45am saturday03:46
godbykanyone know what the best netbook out there is these days? my brother's asking.03:47
humphreybcgodbyk: the Dell mini 9 is pretty awesome03:47
dakerhumphreybc, try to switch between languages03:47
godbykhumphreybc: he just sent me a link to a $350 ASUS Eee PC Seashell 1005PE-PU17-BU 10.1-Inch Blue Netbook (Up to 14 Hours of Battery Life)03:48
humphreybcdaker, the slideshow is out of place on the arabic languag03:48
humphreybcgodbyk: I don't really know that much about netbooks03:48
nisshhhehe, i like the "Lead TeXnician"03:48
godbykme neither.03:48
dakerhumphreybc, hhh03:48
nisshhgodbyk whats his budget?03:49
* humphreybc still can't get over how awesome this project is becoming03:49
godbyknisshh: I'm not sure.03:50
godbyknisshh: You can just toss out some options and I'll forward them along.03:50
godbykI'm not sure what his criteria is either.03:50
nisshhok, i suppose he wants a large battery life though>03:51
godbykbrb. I'll ask him.03:51
nisshhgodbyk: http://www.pcworld.com/reviews/collection/1658/top_10_netbooks.html03:52
nisshhalso my brother has a nice one from early last year03:53
nisshhalthough it has no ssd and only 2GB ram03:53
humphreybcdaker: the website works in the android browser too!03:59
dakerGREATTTTT03:59
dakerhttp://test.ubuntu-manual.org04:01
* daker will hibernate in 1minutes04:01
nisshhso the "test" website is going up on release day?04:02
humphreybcdaker: works on mac in safari too04:03
nisshhhumphreybc: is there a meeting this weekend?04:03
humphreybcnisshh: RC04:03
humphreybcand no, no meeting04:03
nisshhoh release candidate?04:03
humphreybcactually04:03
humphreybci'm not sure04:03
humphreybcprobably put it up like a day before the launch04:04
nisshhok yea04:04
humphreybcit'll be super awesome04:04
dakergodbyk, give it a pull04:04
nisshhtell you what, the glossary is a bit of work04:04
humphreybcyeah04:04
humphreybcwe might have to cut the glossary04:04
nisshhadding bits of code all over the place04:04
nisshhyea, does it depend what i get done by wednesday04:04
humphreybcokay04:05
humphreybcaim for about a dozen entries04:05
nisshhok thats doable04:05
humphreybcif it's any less than that, we'll have to cut it04:05
humphreybcobviously if you reach 12 keep going though04:05
humphreybcwe want as many as possible04:05
nisshhyes04:05
humphreybcuse common sense as to which ones are the most important04:05
nisshhyea04:05
nisshhill make a big push this arvo04:06
humphreybchave you got anyone in your family who's totally hopeless with computers?04:06
humphreybclike mum/sister/grandparents?04:06
nisshhyes, everyone except me and my bro04:06
humphreybchaha okay04:06
dakerno04:06
nisshhill ask them04:06
humphreybcif you're in doubt, ask them if they know what a word means04:06
dakerfriends04:06
humphreybcif they don't, it'll have to go in the glossary04:06
humphreybcdaker: hmm?04:06
nisshhyeo04:07
nisshhi got my bro to put crunchbang on hs netnook actually04:07
humphreybclol nice04:07
nisshhnetbook04:07
nisshhhe likes it04:07
* daker will hibernate in 50secs04:07
humphreybclol see ya daker04:08
nisshhdaker: you said that 10 minutes ago lol04:08
dakeri am at 0.1%04:08
dakerof energy04:09
nisshh:D04:09
nisshhlaptop or netbook?04:09
dakerhumphreybc, the bugg is fixed , just for the next refresh04:10
dakerwait04:10
humphreybcdaker: awesome :D04:10
godbykback now.04:11
dakerpls tell dutchie to upload verify the /daker-test/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot04:11
dakerfile04:11
nisshhhumphreybc: did you get my mugshot the other day?04:12
humphreybcnisshh: sure did04:12
humphreybcdaker: kk04:12
godbykdaker, humphreybc: I pulled the new site04:12
godbyknisshh: thanks! I'll forward that to my brother.04:12
nisshhgodbyk: no probs04:13
dakerhumphreybc, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?lang=ar04:13
nisshhgodbyk: tell your bro that googles his best mate04:13
godbykIt is hard to write good glossary entries.  What're the main difficulties you've been having, nisshh?04:13
dakersee you @all04:14
nisshhit just takes ages04:14
nisshhsince i have to add little snippets everywhere04:14
humphreybcsee ya daker! thanks!04:14
* daker is shutting down04:14
dakerno problemo04:14
godbyksee ya, daker.04:14
nisshhcya daker04:14
godbykjust looking at the arabic version of our site.04:19
godbykyou know what would be neat? to have the slideshow display pages from that translation of the manual.04:20
godbykso the arabic page shows the arabic manual in the slideshow.04:20
nisshhthats an awesome idea04:27
humphreybcgodbyk: as if i didn't make it hard enough04:49
godbyk:)04:50
humphreybci think we can get away with english screenshots at that size04:50
humphreybci think it's more than enough to have an arabic site :D04:50
humphreybcunless you can think of a really easy way to capture some shots of pages of the translated manuals, resize them and then have them display in a slideshow on the correct translated site04:52
humphreybcafter all this is done, when someone asks me how we did all this04:53
godbykExcept the headings are readable, and the RTL languages will look a lot different. :)04:53
humphreybcmy answer is going to be "Well, we just thought of some cool stuff to do and did it"04:53
godbykSure.  convert is awesome.04:54
godbykimagemagick04:54
humphreybcgodbyk: we could do an arabic version just for the RTL language things04:54
godbykI'll write a script to do it sometime.04:54
humphreybchaha04:54
humphreybcokay if you can do it easily and have enough time04:54
humphreybcwith the drop shadows too?04:54
humphreybc(it has to look pretty)04:54
humphreybcright, gotta go to work04:59
humphreybclater04:59
nisshhgodbyk: do you still want the glossary entries to be linked in the first instance of each chapter?05:01
godbykIt's not a hard rule, just link them where you think it's appropriate.05:02
nisshhright, currently iv only linked them from the first instance in the entire manual05:03
nisshhnot sure if its enough or now05:03
nisshhnot05:03
Red_HamsterXgodbyk, any chance you're still awake?06:45
godbykRed_HamsterX: Yep.06:45
Red_HamsterXYay.06:45
Red_HamsterXQuestion about screencap names for chapter 3.06:46
Red_HamsterXThe ones ubuntujenkins uploaded read "rythambox"06:46
Red_HamsterXShould I fi the typo or would it break things?06:46
Red_HamsterXfix*06:46
godbyklemme look06:46
godbykit won't hurt anything outright, but we should spell it correctly to make it easier for others.06:47
Red_HamsterXAfected filenames: 03-rythambox-cd.png -> 03-rhythmbox-cd.png; 03-rythambox-podcast.png -> 03-rhythmbox-podcast.png06:48
Red_HamsterXAffected*06:48
godbykyou'll need to change the lines in the .tex file, too.06:49
Red_HamsterXWhich?06:50
godbykdefault-apps/listening-to-audio-and-music.tex06:50
Red_HamsterX'Kay.06:50
Red_HamsterXThis won't affect translations, right?06:50
godbyknope06:50
godbykwell, fixing the spelling error in the caption will.06:50
godbykbut it needs to be done06:50
Red_HamsterXDone.06:53
Red_HamsterXThanks. :)06:53
ubuntujenkinsmorning all07:50
Red_HamsterXHi.07:50
Red_HamsterXEight entries left before I can sleep~07:50
ubuntujenkinshello Red_HamsterX nice work I better ad the screenshots to the english bzr branch07:51
Red_HamsterXI'd wait.07:52
Red_HamsterXWe should try to use Quickshot to collect as many of those as possible.07:53
Red_HamsterXSo we'll know what needs to be fixed.07:53
ubuntujenkinsok I think i may have forgoteten to put some in the quickshot branch, you can do those later07:53
ubuntujenkinswhen you next have time07:54
ubuntujenkinsI am still waiting for news on what screenshots are wanted for ubuntu one, the section is yet to be finished08:00
nisshhubuntujenkins: which chapter is the ubuntuone section in?08:02
ubuntujenkins3 nisshh I keep asking mattgriffin each time he comes on08:03
nisshhhas he not said he will do it yet?08:03
nisshhits a must, if we dont get it finished it will be cut for final08:04
Red_HamsterXOh, no. More screencaps. D:08:04
ubuntujenkinsWell done Red_HamsterX08:06
ubuntujenkinsnisshh: he has said he is doing it  and i keep casing him08:06
ubuntujenkinshe said he would do it since very near the start of th release cycle08:07
ubuntujenkinsare weel it goes on08:07
nisshhhmmmm, i dont think he will end up getting to it08:09
nisshhi mean cmon, start of cycle was 2 months ago08:10
nisshhis anyone available to do it08:11
Red_HamsterXSo why are we teaching users about PPAs?08:13
Red_HamsterXI didn't get a response last time I asked.08:14
nisshhbecause they are an integral part of ubuntu08:15
ubuntujenkinsnisshh: he did rythambox the other day08:15
ubuntujenkinsRed_HamsterX: i think its in the advanced section, it is a good way to get other programs easily08:16
Red_HamsterXrhythmbox*08:16
nisshhubuntujenkins: you need to tell him that he must get all his writing in quick if he wants it to be included08:16
Red_HamsterX(I already fixed the typos in the filenames and tex files)08:17
ubuntujenkinsI just knoticed thanks Red_HamsterX08:17
ubuntujenkinsnisshh: I do keep telling him, i told him to get it done by 21st at the start of last week08:17
nisshhubuntujenkins: ok, well if he hasnt written it by monday we either do it for him or drop it for next release08:22
nisshhwe really cant afford to have half finished stuff08:22
ubuntujenkinsmm we will have to see what he comes up with08:22
nisshhyes, its up to matt now08:22
nisshhubuntujenkins: benjamin needs to know about this08:23
nisshhif you speak to him first can you let him know?08:23
ubuntujenkinshe already knows i think08:24
nisshhok, thats good08:24
Red_HamsterXOkay, my server's updated with all the new stuff. It's scripted to update every hour.08:35
Red_HamsterXQuickshot should now see a pretty full list of screencap data.08:35
Red_HamsterXPlease feel free to edit server/screencaps/config/dictionary to fill in holes in descriptions/steps or to fix any typos I may have missed in my need-sleep-ness.08:36
* Red_HamsterX sleeps.08:36
ubuntujenkinsthansk night Red_HamsterX08:36
Red_HamsterXWelcome and g'night~08:36
nisshhhehe night08:38
ubuntujenkinsI am off my dad is here o/09:00
dakerback10:12
humphreybchi10:36
daker:)10:36
humphreybcwhat's up?10:46
dakeri need the image for the downloads page :)10:46
humphreybcheh10:47
humphreybcokay i'll get onto that10:47
humphreybcwhat size?10:48
daker310*31010:49
humphreybcthorwil: pin10:50
humphreybcping*10:50
thorwilhumphreybc: pon(g)10:51
humphreybcwhere can I find an image of the final title page?10:51
humphreybc(not from the PDF in the branch)10:51
humphreybcI looked on your blog, but the icon colours are brown instead of light orange10:51
humphreybchave you got the final title page lying around somewhere as a png?10:52
thorwilhumphreybc: there's only the svg of that so far10:52
humphreybccould you export a png and email me it/stick it in the branch please?10:53
thorwilhumphreybc: letter or a4, what resolution/size?10:53
humphreybcsize could be < 400px10:53
humphreybcand A4 please10:53
thorwilk10:53
humphreybcthanks thorwil10:59
thorwilhumphreybc: send10:59
* thorwil -> lunch11:02
dakerhumphreybc,  What languages are rtl?11:06
dakeri know the arabic, the hebrew11:06
dakerwich are rtl11:06
humphreybcno idea11:06
humphreybcask google ;)11:06
dakerhe tells me arabic, the hebrew11:07
humphreybcdaker, http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/downloads.png11:07
humphreybcmaybe godbyk will know11:07
humphreybcis that okay daker?11:08
humphreybcalso, i think the logo/header on the site is a bit too big11:08
dakergood11:08
humphreybccould you reduce it by about 20% ?11:08
dakerthe height11:09
dakerthorwil, made some changes on the logo yesterday11:09
humphreybcright11:10
humphreybcit's a bit big11:10
dakerthat's the header(100px) not the logo image11:11
dakeri'll changed to 80px11:11
humphreybcah okay11:11
humphreybcalso should the word "Language" above the language selector be a wee bit smaller?11:12
dakerit will be11:13
humphreybccool :)11:13
dakercould you pls check the spelling text :)11:16
humphreybcthroughout all the website?11:17
dakerhttp://127.0.0.1/daker-test/?getinvolved11:17
dakersorry11:17
dakertest.ubuntu-manual.org/?getinvolved11:17
humphreybcand consistent documentation for the Ubuntu operating system..11:18
humphreybcyou don't need the two dots11:18
humphreybcjust one11:18
humphreybc" the Linux barrier to entry fo new user"11:19
humphreybc"fo" should be "for"11:19
humphreybc"user" should be "users"11:19
humphreybc"We are always looking for talented people to work with, and due to the size of the project, we"11:19
humphreybcthe second comma isn't needed11:19
humphreybcso it should be "We are always looking for talented people to work with, and due to the size of the project we"11:20
humphreybc"Head to our wiki page" I think this should be "Head over to our wiki page"11:20
humphreybc"on how to get started:" should be "on how to get involved:"11:20
dakerfine11:21
humphreybc:)11:21
humphreybcCould you please add the following to the end of the third paragraph: "We have a strong emphasis on just "getting things done" and therefore we have a fast-paced development environment filled with lots of unique ideas."11:23
humphreybcSo it should be:11:23
humphreybc"It didn’t take long until the project amassed hundreds of contributors, and what Benjamin originally envisioned became a reality as the Ubuntu Manual Project blossomed into an ambitious and successful project. We have a strong emphasis on just "getting things done" and therefore we have a fast-paced development environment filled with lots of unique ideas."11:23
dakeroki :)11:23
humphreybcactually, make that "filled with lots of exciting new ideas." :D11:24
humphreybcso add in the excitin11:24
humphreybcexciting*11:24
humphreybcsorry!11:24
humphreybcalso, daker, on the first page you've spelt license with a 'c' - "licence." I think it should be "license."11:25
humphreybcso, "It is written under an open source license and is free for you to download, read, modify and share."11:25
humphreybc"everday tasks" should be "everyday tasks" << there's a "y" missing in everyday11:26
* daker is very bad in english :s11:26
humphreybcno you're doing a great job :D11:27
humphreybcSome of these are my fault anyway11:27
humphreybcI might change this: "Progressive learning curve - start with the basics, and learn as you progress through each chapter"11:27
humphreybcto this:11:27
humphreybc"Progressive learning curve - start with the basics, and learn as you work through each chapter"11:27
humphreybcso remove "progress" and add "work" instead11:27
daker"getting things done" should be with the " "11:28
humphreybcyep11:28
dakeroki11:28
humphreybc"CC-BY-SA licensing - modify, reproduce and share as much as you like" can become:11:28
humphreybc"CC-BY-SA licensing - download, modify, reproduce and share as much as you like"11:28
humphreybcso add in the word "download"11:28
humphreybcat some point we'll have to add in the fact it'll be available to purchase physically from lulu.com11:29
humphreybcbut we'll come to that when we set that up11:29
humphreybcchange this: "No cost - our documents are all written by volunteers and there is no charge to use them"11:29
humphreybcto this:11:29
humphreybc"No cost - our documents are all written by Ubuntu community members and there is no charge to use them"11:29
humphreybcin the footer, you don't need a dash between "Attribution" and "Share"11:30
humphreybcso at the moment it is: Creative Commons Attribution–Share-Alike11:30
humphreybcbut it should become: Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike11:30
humphreybcI think that's all the errors I can find!11:32
humphreybcgood work daker, really it's looking awesome11:32
* humphreybc just realised this project is truly an international effort11:37
humphreybcgodbyk lives in the USA, dutchie lives in the UK, thorwil lives in Germany, Jamin lives in western Australia, I live in New Zealand11:37
humphreybcdaker: where do you live?11:37
thorwildaker: what did you do exactly?11:39
dakerhumphreybc, i live in Morocco http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco11:47
humphreybcMorocco! cool!11:47
dakerthorwil, 21 & 5month, i'm student at the university11:48
dakeryears11:48
thorwildaker: heh, i meant with the logo/type11:48
dakerthorwil, everything fine11:49
humphreybchey daker, is it just me, or is the text inside the buttons slightly higher than centered?11:51
dakerwhere ?11:51
humphreybcon the main page... is the "Download Now" text inside the orange button in the center, horizontally?11:51
humphreybcit might just be me11:52
dakeri'll look11:53
* daker is listening to Outlandish - Feels Like Saving The World12:32
dakertiteuf_87, you're french ?13:40
titeuf_87I'm Belgian, I can speak French but I'm horrible at writing it.13:41
dakeroki13:41
dakerdutchie, !!!14:33
dakergodbyk, we need a google-site-verification14:35
dakerhi ubuntujenkins16:47
dakerubuntujenkins, godbyk what's the percentage of UMP progress ?17:13
ubuntujenkinsdaker: I am at home with anyoing interent joining godbyk ;P as for progress % ask ben. It depends if you count translations17:36
dakerkk17:37
godbyk-androidDaker: humphreybc usually makes up and sets that number17:40
godbyk-androidThere's no real imperial measurement that we're using17:40
godbyk-androidI just got back from helping my friend move17:41
godbyk-androidGoing to catch a little more sleep now17:41
godbyk-androidsince he woke me up after only 3.5 hours17:42
ubuntujenkinsnn godbyk-android17:42
dakeroki godbyk-android17:49
ubuntujenkinsw=evening19:15
dakerheklp!!!19:26
dakeranyone here ?19:27
dutchieo/19:30
semioticrobotichi all19:31
dutchiedaker: what's up?19:31
dakerone min19:31
dakerdutchie i have ubuntu installed with wubi19:32
dakerso i have made a big update > 200Mo19:32
dakerwhen rebooting it gives me the sh:grub> terminal19:33
dutchieer, not sure19:34
dakerso i have made a mistake when i execute the commands in the manual19:34
dakersudo grub-install --root-directory=/media/root /dev/sda and so19:34
dutchiefrom a live cd?19:34
dakeryes19:34
dutchiecould you pastebin your /etc/default/grub.conf?19:35
dakeri search in the net and i found that its a bugg and i have to replace the old wubildr file in c:\19:36
dakeri want to remove the grub menu19:36
dutchieah, if it's wubi specific, I have no idea19:36
daker:s19:36
dutchietry asking in #ubuntu or in your loco channel19:37
semioticroboticnumber of unfixed bugs in the manual is dwindling!19:44
ubuntujenkinssemioticrobotic: thats good news19:50
semioticroboticindeed it is19:51
Red_HamsterXubuntujenkins, titeuf_87, http://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan/screencaps/ now shows a (still-primitive) progress display for each language.19:57
Red_HamsterX(When languages are partially done, you can see what's missing, and when they're totally done, you'll be given links to the zipfile facilities)19:58
ubuntujenkinsRed_HamsterX: thats really good nice to get an idea of how it is all going19:59
titeuf_87Oh sweet, nice work.19:59
Red_HamsterXIt's better than the <select/> I had before.19:59
Red_HamsterXIt should appear on the other server in a few minutes.20:00
ubuntujenkinsand I have got the live cd down to 692 mb20:00
Red_HamsterXYay!20:00
ubuntujenkinsspace for another language or two20:01
ubuntujenkinsI wouldn't like to installl using this disk there is so much random sutff missing20:01
Red_HamsterXSounds fun.20:02
dakerback20:03
ubuntujenkinsnow for this ppa20:03
dakerdutchie: could you pls check & upload the new pot file /daker-test/includes/languages/ubu....pot20:04
dutchieone moment20:05
dutchieto be honest, checking is probably superfluous as LP will do that for us20:18
dutchiewasn't there something about splitting out the website stuff into a separate brancH/20:19
dutchiewow, completely missed the shift key there20:19
daker?20:21
dutchieweren't you going to move all of the website code out of the main ubuntu-manual branch and into a separate ubuntu-manual-website one20:22
dakerwell i don't know if, i have to talk to humphreybc about it20:24
Red_HamsterXIt might make more sense to wait 'til the launch, to avoid confusing people.20:26
dutchieI will definitely have to go to bed before humphreybc shows up20:27
dutchiedaker: that seems to have worked reasonably well actually21:29
dakerworked what ?21:33
dutchiedaker: the .pot file21:34
dakerdid you upload it ?21:35
dutchieno, launchpad auto-imports then from the branch21:36
dakeroki :)21:36
ubuntujenkinsnight all21:41
dakerstill 3days of work22:48
godbykI'm alive again.23:23

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