[00:01] can you point me at what changes you expected to see and don't? [00:03] the new css/styled.css & the new images/header.png [00:03] the server says it's running the latest revision [00:03] what :O [00:04] does refreshing the page help? [00:04] the header looks the same in my browser as it does in the repository, as far as I can see. [00:06] fu*** cache [00:06] :) [00:06] also, depending on when you pushed the changes, the server only updates every half hour (at x:00 and x:30). [00:07] So when I looked, it had just ticked past the hour mark and may have updated. [00:07] oki [00:08] Do you have it set so the website can detect the browser language and use the appropriate translation? [00:08] yes [00:08] awesome [00:08] i have to upload the new pot file for the new strings [00:09] sure [00:12] i have to wait for dutchie [00:14] how do you generate a pot file from the php pages? [00:16] with my hands :) [00:16] first i used a php function [00:16] hey daker [00:16] hi :) [00:16] nice work on the site, looks a lot better with left aligned text :) [00:17] and i noticed some of the text has already been translated! [00:17] we can't update the strings ? [00:17] hello humphreybc we have a cd sized live disk with the help of godbyk and Red_HamsterX how ever there isn't enough space for quickshot yet [00:18] haha [00:18] how big is quickshot? [00:18] have you managed to fit all of the language packs on? [00:19] daker, really? The spanish one and the czech one has some stuff translated already somehow [00:19] 83.7 kb i think we will get it on humphreybc but we could do with some more space if anyone adds a languge all the language packs so far are on there [00:19] we'll make it fit. [00:19] good work team [00:19] we just have to cull some more packages. [00:19] what'd you have to remove to make it fit? [00:20] the kernel [00:20] and the boot system. [00:20] well you only have a command line now [00:20] =| [00:20] lol [00:20] any thing that said ubuntu [00:20] debian/hurd! [00:20] oaky [00:20] THE FUTURE IS NOW! [00:20] lol [00:20] sounds like an awesome Live CD [00:20] it boots incredibly fast now, though. ;-) [00:20] openoffice.org-core openoffice* pitivi gedit compiz* gnome-utils transmission* gnome-games-common gbrainy openssh-client rsync bzr apport apport-gtk fakeroot gcalctool gnome-screensaver vino nano samba* fakeroot gstreamer* jockey* gparted example-content cups virt-manager qemu-kvm devhelp dhelp gimp-help gnome-help anacron app-install-data apparmor linux-firmware libc6-dev make manpages gcc m4 vinagre file-roller seaho [00:20] rse aptitude linux-libc-dev manpages-dev dnsutils ubuntu-sounds hplip-data linux-headers-* is the list so far [00:20] you can remove all the audio stuff like pulse and alsa [00:21] you removed open office? [00:21] don't we have to screenshot that? [00:21] nope rhyhambox needs it [00:21] nope [00:21] ah okay [00:21] not this release its a really short section [00:21] okay [00:21] ubuntujenkins: what was the screenshot we wanted to kill? [00:21] plus openoffice is huuuuuugggggggeeee [00:21] in built help [00:21] ah, yes. [00:21] also humphreybc the screenshots in english are complete [00:22] yeah i saw that :D [00:22] rockin! [00:22] ubuntu-docs is 25 MB. [00:22] so the live CD still works with all that stuff gone? [00:22] can we remove the memory test [00:22] should work well enough for our needs. [00:23] and what happens when there are UI updates? [00:23] works in virtual box [00:23] I update the image [00:23] neat [00:23] all scripted [00:23] awesome! [00:23] humphreybc, so ? [00:23] * godbyk is hungry -- waiting for his food to be delivered. [00:24] sorry daker sotle your thunder [00:24] *stole [00:24] * daker is gonna be crasy with the UMP Team [00:24] heh [00:25] I think you have to already be crazy to be a member of the UMP team. :) [00:25] hhh [00:31] sorry, daker what did you want to know? [00:34] i have changed all strings with new strings from the mockups [00:35] if upload the pot file will the old strings disappear ? [00:35] probably [00:36] humphreybc, check the text [00:36] http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?notyet [00:37] http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?unavailable [00:38] I would recommend adding some text on those two pages that helps the user find what they're looking for. [00:38] the notyet page could link to the latest released manual, for instance. [00:38] i m not good in english [00:39] and the unavailable page could suggest the most common pages that people would want (home, download, ..?) [00:39] daker: you don't have to write it yourself. I'm just tossing out ideas. [00:39] If no one else it up for it, I'll write some text a bit later for those pages. [00:40] yeah that's cool, good idea godbyk [00:40] you could have "The requested version of the Ubuntu Manual is not yet released." [00:40] then on a new line underneath: [00:40] "However, you can see the current editions available for download here." [00:40] and the "here" is a hyperlink to the downloads page [00:40] I would link directly to it. [00:40] Be specific, not generic. [00:41] humphreybc, godbyk http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?lang=ar [00:41] hey that is cool [00:41] Say: "The latest version of the manual is Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04." etc. [00:41] daker: that is so awesome! great job! :) [00:42] that looks wicked [00:42] :) [00:43] the website is looking fantastic daker [00:43] everyone is going to be blown away [00:43] definitely [00:43] no wonder everyone assumes we're "official" [00:44] we're doing such an awesome job it'd be hard to believe we're all just volunteers :D [00:44] yeah [00:44] humphreybc, i need the images for the homepage(slideshow) [00:45] godbyk: It's really awesome how ubuntujenkins has gone through and put the english shots in, now we can work on the captions [00:45] I think we're *almost* on schedule [00:45] please do mine are rubbish [00:45] daker: sure, i'll sort that out today :) [00:45] humphreybc: yeah, I'll add the captions to my to-do list. [00:45] daker, what does the slideshow look like? [00:45] make sure they're up to speed [00:45] fade effect [00:45] could you chuck in some placeholder images just so I can see it in action, so I know what I need to make? [00:46] godbyk: yeah we have 4 days till the writing freeze to make sure there are zero errors in the manual, otherwise I'm 20 euro poorer [00:46] humphreybc: can I start panicking now? [00:46] godbyk: sure [00:47] AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! [00:47] I have to spend a good part of tomorrow helping a friend move, too. :-/ [00:47] :) [00:47] priorities kevin, priorities [00:47] :P [00:47] Spend the part while your connection's down. [00:48] lol [00:48] so Red_HamsterX, how stable is quickshot? [00:48] * humphreybc really cannot wait to try it out [00:48] well i am working on a ppa [00:48] lol [00:49] * ubuntujenkins agrees with dutchie ppas are hard [00:49] You can try it now, if you want. It's just not polished and it's lacking real data. [00:49] just from the branch? [00:49] We've got everything working. [00:49] Yeah. [00:49] i will send you a package [00:49] okay neat [00:49] Or that. [00:49] amd64? [00:49] its and all packages [00:49] *package [00:49] also, where are we going to host the ISO? [00:50] Oh, actually, that's a good point... [00:50] well the server but (ubuntu-manual) but we may need another one depending on downloads [00:50] Is it amd64? [00:50] If so, making it i386 might reduce the filesize. [00:51] no the iso is I386 [00:51] ubuntujenkins: okay you'll have to make sure godbyk has the ISO by wednesday so he can host it [00:51] right message recived [00:52] Red_HamsterX: does quiclky run work for you we have a merge at some point to day [00:53] thats fine my end related just got a new branch [00:53] panik over [00:54] lol [00:54] its 12.54 am here [00:54] humphreybc, will be up in 6min as godbyk sad [00:54] Panic? What? [00:54] daker: awesome, so you added in some temporary pictures to the slideshow [00:55] Red_HamsterX: just me getting stressed due to over tiredness [00:55] :) [00:56] i want this ppa working [00:57] will the PPA have the ISO in it, or the package? [00:58] package there will be a daily and a release ppa [00:58] awesome [00:58] so i can put it on my lucid box without needing a whole cd [00:58] e-mail sent humphreybc [00:59] sweet [00:59] here goes! [01:00] it appears under aplications >> accsories [01:00] yup [01:00] you should put a higher resolution icon in the menu :P [01:01] you made it :P [01:01] lol [01:01] * humphreybc is switching user [01:03] humphreybc: don't say anything I want to hear it all I need to reboot [01:04] we need photos of grandmothers and children using our manual. :) [01:05] that's wicked! [01:05] godbyk: absolutely. anyone have an istock account? :P [01:06] that's cheating! [01:06] http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/ humphreybc [01:07] that's awesome! [01:07] * humphreybc is overwhelmed by the awesomeness in this team [01:07] "Features" is covered by the image. [01:07] (Possibly because I'm using small fonts) [01:07] daker: maybe change the timing so that each image is displayed a bit longer? [01:08] oki [01:08] 5sec ? [01:08] Red_HamsterX: looks fine to me in Chrome and Firefox, I'm using size 9 [01:08] humphreybc: back [01:08] daker, what's it set to now? [01:08] okay so quickshot stuff [01:08] it didn't set my screen res correctly, but I set it using monitors fine [01:09] Dunno, then. [01:09] In the last screen, where you can choose a shot and see descriptions [01:09] whats your graphics card again? [01:09] I think the "Cancel" button needs to be "Close" [01:09] I've made a note of that. [01:09] I think i can solve the grahpics problem [01:09] (EtherPad) [01:09] the button can be changes [01:10] *changed [01:10] because after I had taken some screenshots, and uploaded them (they were all pending approval) I had to think for a second whether I hit Next to upload them or hit Cancel - but if I hit cancel, my work might be lost? [01:10] Maybe it'd be better to change it to "Finish" [01:10] Maybe we need to change the status text, too. [01:10] the Help > About window can be changed to reflect the real developers names so you guys get credit - myself and tommy haven't done a lot [01:10] "uploaded; pending aproval"? [01:10] ubuntujenkins: ATI HD2600 [01:10] Red_HamsterX: yeah that will work better [01:11] where did the screenshots go that I took? [01:11] My server. [01:11] neat [01:11] http://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan/screencaps/data/ [01:11] I love it how gedit automatically opens with some sample text [01:11] humphreybc: open driver? [01:12] yep [01:12] are the gedit ones just test shots? [01:12] Yeah. [01:12] cool [01:12] Those arew just dummy entries to test things. [01:12] daker what size do the images have to be on the main page? [01:12] sweet [01:12] I'll add real entries tonight and tomorrow. [01:12] can you post lshw -C display for me please, this is where I need bug reports of ones that dont'work ( humphreybc ) [01:12] it's looking really awesome though, i'm really impressed. considering the short amount of time you guys had! [01:13] ubuntujenkins: sure [01:13] the more bugs on non reolution change we get the better [01:13] titeuf did a lot for making the GUI simple and functional. [01:13] *resolution [01:13] http://paste.ubuntu.com/402132/ [01:13] humphreybc, width="310" height="296" [01:14] daker: cool [01:14] daker: I'll make some images for you now [01:14] Red_HamsterX: are you editing the bin/quickshot file now? [01:15] I'm not doing anything at this moment. [01:15] daker: i'll email them to you in an hour or so [01:15] (I've got a DHCP server issue to resolve) [01:15] cool just making a change [01:15] humphreybc, that's fine [01:15] ubuntujenkins: another thing, is it possible to disable certain things in the quickshot user? [01:15] I won't be touching the code 'til at least twenty-four hours from now. [01:15] for example, if we can disable docky from starting [01:15] Everything I'll edit will be server-side. [01:16] ok thanks Red_HamsterX [01:16] (I have docky installed and it starts by default) [01:16] docky? [01:16] erm I will have a think [01:16] k [01:16] thats easier said than done [01:16] awn doesn't start for me [01:17] Wouldn't the Quickshot user be completely free from such things? [01:17] aparently not [01:17] * godbyk is still waiting for his food to arrive. :-( [01:18] That seems to suggest that there's something wrong with the other package. [01:18] :( [01:18] Go stab people. [01:18] Stabbing makes time pass quickly [01:18] And they may drop candy. [01:18] heh. [01:21] humphreybc: it should work now, if you remove the old package and add the one in your e-mail inbox and give it a wirl [01:31] awesome [01:32] ill try it in a sec [01:32] should i remove the quickshot user? [01:33] erm not any more did it auto launch last time? [01:34] yup [01:34] quickshot started before the gnome session did [01:34] just before if you had one that had bzr related stuff in [01:34] swwwweeeeeeeeeeettttttttttt [01:34] you *could* add a slight delay to quickshot loading [01:34] but it's not that important [01:35] added to the list [01:35] ubuntujenkins: hey - no i'm not editing (he replies 5 hrs later!!!) [01:36] np problem jaminday I like to check before doing changes in lots of files [01:36] all of the screenshots are now in [01:37] great [01:37] ubuntujenkins: yep, it works! you're awesome1 [01:37] humphreybc: you get my mugshot? [01:37] yup sure did [01:37] looking good dude haha [01:37] not really me that stuffs easy, any promotion after its relese can you ask for people to check for autores changes [01:38] sure [01:38] ta [01:38] it might be worth fine tuning some of the wording in the quickshot text [01:39] will do :-) any suggestions are welcome [01:39] humphreybc: hehe [01:39] Rewording will be part of polishing. [01:39] UMP is just getting more and more awesome every day [01:40] Red_HamsterX: sweet :D [01:40] * humphreybc is listening to the Kraken from Pirates of the Caribbean soundtrack [01:40] lol [01:40] MAking it delay its startup should e easy, too. [01:40] We could just put a 'sleep 2' or somethin in the rc file. [01:40] yeah, maybe just a 5 or 10 second delay [01:40] I know [01:41] I can do that tomorrow [01:41] :D [01:41] Just put it in the pad and one of us'll do it. [01:41] where's the pad? [01:42] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/aA6ygCXL9F [01:42] thanks [01:42] question: will physical copies of the manual be available for purchase at any time in the future? [01:42] oh right [01:42] THAT pad [01:42] :) [01:42] nvsbl: yup they will be :) [01:42] we're going to publish it through lulu.com [01:43] On a side note - is anyone using banshee from the unstable ppa? [01:43] thats awesome, thanks [01:45] * ubuntujenkins is going to go all linux outlaws and use #blamepo pey [01:46] lol [01:52] anyone know how i sign a file with my pgp key? [01:53] a pen will not work :P [01:59] $ gpg --clearsign file ? [02:00] daker: that deoesn't work i am afraid [02:00] http://www.sonatype.com/people/2010/01/how-to-generate-pgp-signatures-with-maven/ [02:01] $ gpg -ab file [02:02] Are you trying to encrypt the file or just prove it's yours? [02:02] I think prove its mine [02:03] Clearsign's what I'd use, then. [02:03] Unless it's binary. [02:03] are sorry daker i made a typo [02:03] thanks [02:06] don't worry [02:09] godbyk, can u write the text for the previous pages ? [02:09] daker: which pages? [02:10] http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?notyet [02:10] http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/?unavailable [02:11] ah, sure. [02:11] give me just a moment to finish eating and I'll write the text. [02:12] * daker think that launchpad is bugging [02:12] daker, i'm just going to email you the new images for the slideshow now [02:12] wait [02:13] i can put it on my server :) [02:13] Okay, finished with supper. [02:13] sure [02:13] Lemme write daker's text. [02:13] http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/images.tar.gz [02:13] that should work [02:14] daker: on the ?notyet page, do we know which version they requested? [02:14] we can [02:14] daker, i had to make the images slightly higher, i hope that doesn't screw anything up [02:18] nice [02:19] i remove this http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/images/gettingstartedguide.png [02:27] gggrrr i give up night all o/ [02:27] good night [02:38] hey, daker. what's your email address? [02:38] adnane@ubuntu-manual.org [02:40] daker: I emailed you some text for those pages. [02:40] Let me know if you have any questions. [02:42] great [02:43] another thing [02:44] :D [02:44] i need description for the pages : home,downloads,getinve,contrib [02:44] did you put the new images on daker? [02:44] humphreybc, i remove this http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/images/gettingstartedguide.png [02:44] ? [02:44] daker, yes [02:44] oki [02:47] daker: as in descriptions? [02:48] yes [02:49] if we put the same description, it will be considered as duplicated content [02:49] humphreybc: when is the writing freeze exactly - in UTC time - so i know how many nights i've got left to work on it. [02:49] jaminday: dunno, probably 0000 UTC on the 31st [02:49] so midnight on the 31st [02:50] ok [02:50] which will mean you have most of April 1st to work on it :P [02:50] well, a few hours [02:50] yeah the more time the better [02:50] the writing freeze won't hit me till thursday at about 1pm [02:50] ok so that means it'll be about 11am thurs for me [02:50] yeah [02:51] cool thanks [02:51] ?home: "Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04 is a free, comprehensive beginner's guide for the Ubuntu operating system." [02:52] ?downloads: "Download a PDF of Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04." [02:52] ?getinvolved: "Find out how you can help contribute to the Ubuntu Manual Project." [02:53] ?contrib: "The Ubuntu Manual team consists of a large number of volunteers: authors, translators, editors, designers, and developers." [02:53] godbyk: yeah that's good [02:53] great [02:54] also, daker, those images are in order 1, 2, 3 4 [02:54] yeap [02:54] so if you can put them in order in the slideshow (i know it'll loop) that'd be great [02:54] it's sort of like a small walkthrough of the book [02:54] yes [02:55] :D [02:55] you're doing an awesome job daker! [02:55] thanks [02:58] the title "Getting Started with Ubuntu XX.YY" will be translate in the manual ? [02:59] hey great progress bar on the site [02:59] :) [03:00] daker: yes, it will be translated. [03:00] ok [03:01] Well i gotta go play a wedding! [03:01] bye all [03:01] bye [03:24] hey daker, are you adding those new images to the site? I'm excited to see what they look like xD [03:25] just minute i am adding godbyk's text [03:26] :) [03:28] See, humphreybc. This is how the world works. Given a choice between working on my stuff or working on your stuff, people will always choose my stuff first. :-P [03:28] lol [03:28] hhh [03:35] godbyk: isn't everyone working on my stuff? wasn't this whole thing my idea? :P [03:35] humphreybc's stuff are already done [03:36]