[01:27] <markl_> hey there i'm a long time mythtv user, n00b to mythbuntu.  does the PPA have an easy way to load myth 0.23 onto an ubuntu 9.10 system, or would it be better to load ubuntu 10.04 first, or does mythbuntu have its own installer?
[01:29] <markl_> it appears to be lucid only, with an option of downloading an iso
[01:29] <superm1> mythbuntu.org
[01:29] <superm1> there is most definitely an installer
[01:29] <superm1> for adding 0.23, click on add to ubuntu
[01:29] <superm1> it has support for 0.22 or 0.23
[01:30] <markl_> fantastic
[01:31] <markl_> ok another question here, the repos i'm using are: deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/ karmic free non-free
[01:31] <Zinn> [packages.medibuntu.org] Medibuntu -- Medibuntu packages
[01:31] <markl_> is that the same as what mythbuntu uses or is that a different project?
[01:32] <markl_> i'm trying to decide if i should uninstall first or not
[01:33] <superm1> you can keep them on there if you want
[01:33] <superm1> they won't conflict
[01:33] <superm1> if you are a new mythbuntu user, you really should start out from our ISO
[01:33] <superm1> it will provide a much better experience than having to add on to ubuntu and configure X, Y, Z, alpha, gamma, etc
[01:34] <markl_> do you use the linux mint installer, with dvd, codecs, flash, etc working out of the box?
[01:34] <markl_> i typically start with mint
[01:34] <markl_> just so i don't have to deal with all that nonsense
[01:36] <superm1> mythtv installs dont need codecs
[01:36] <superm1> DVD support is provided as a check box in MCC
[01:36] <superm1> flash is installed by firefox on it's first time you need to visit a site
[01:38] <markl_> 20KB/sec, need more people on the 10.04 b1 i386 torrent :)
[01:44] <superm1> it would probably be faster to download from a mirror
[01:44] <superm1> the download link on mb.org automatically load balances to mirrors
[01:44] <Zinn> [mb.org] Mortgage Loan Broker MB Organization
[01:45] <superm1> (www.mythbuntu.org that is of course)
[01:46] <markl_> hmm my firefox doesn't know how to deal with an apt: link
[01:47] <markl_> and getmythbuntu.php doesn't really do anything in lynx
[01:47] <superm1> i mean the download link for 10.04 load balances
[01:48] <superm1> the link for adding from apt requires apturl
[01:48] <markl_> ok, the real question is - will I be able to save what is in my 0.22 database?  myth has typically not had an upgrade path at all
[01:48] <markl_> tuners, channels, IR buttons, etc
[01:48] <superm1> sure, you can
[01:48] <superm1> there is definitely an upgrade path
[01:49] <markl_> cool
[01:49] <superm1> the database automatically upgrades schemas when you jump to new versions
[01:49] <superm1> so if you do a clean install, just load your database in, start myth once, and it happens
[01:49] <markl_> thanks for answering my n00b questions
[01:49] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/upgrading
[01:49] <superm1> that should explain the exact steps involved with doing that
[01:51] <markl_> vnc4-common?
[01:54] <markl_> so what are your favorite 0.23 features?
[01:55] <superm1> huh what about vnc4-common?
[01:55] <superm1> i like how much faster it is
[01:55] <superm1> that's the most noticeable thing over 0.22 to me
[01:56] <markl_> wow MCC is nice
[01:56] <markl_> it was just interesting that it wanted to install vnc
[01:57] <superm1> it just pulls in the common bits, not the actual server (unless you pick that part in mcc)
[01:58] <markl_> that's good, mythtv 0.22 definitely seemed slower than 0.21 when navigating the menus
[01:59] <markl_> i am looking forward to improved 1080i mkv vdpau playback (especially deinterlacing) and hopefully it won't choke on 24 bit audio
[01:59] <markl_> both are supposed to be improved in 0.23
[02:00] <markl_> ok i have mcc installed, what is the secret to getting 0.23 on here?
[02:01] <markl_> it appears to want to load 0.22.0+fixes23766-0ubuntu0+mythbuntu3
[02:01] <superm1> http://www.mythbuntu.org/auto-builds
[02:04] <markl_> hmm does this look right:
[02:04] <markl_> deb-src http://us.autobuilds.mythbuntu.org/mythbuntu/,/ubuntu karmic main
[02:04] <superm1> no it doesnt
[02:04] <superm1> tgm4883, ^
[02:04] <superm1> but is the deb line right?
[02:05] <superm1> it's possible just a bug in the deb-src line adding mechanism
[02:05] <markl_> should the , be repos?
[02:05] <markl_> yeah it is grabbing the linux mint release (helena) instead of the ubuntu release (karmic)
[02:05] <superm1> it should be the version number
[02:05] <superm1> eg 0.23
[02:06] <markl_> oh ok cool
[02:06] <superm1> oh you are running mcc and -repos on mint
[02:06] <superm1> totally an untested combo on our part
[02:06] <markl_> brilliant, thank you
[02:06] <markl_> 0.23 worked
[02:06] <markl_> the torrent is going much faster now, < 1 hour
[02:07] <markl_> if i get it working before the torrent is here, great.  if not i start from scratch
[02:07] <markl_> ok no turning back now, it's doing apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:09] <markl_> superm1: is your system able to deal with 1080i mkv's at all?
[02:09] <superm1> markl_, with VDPAU it can no proble
[02:21] <markl_> hmm Warning - Mismatched schema version for 'mythvideo.DBSchemaVer': database speaks version 1028, we speak version 1032
[02:21] <markl_> is that something mcc can handle?
[02:22] <mrand> mcc doesn't need to... 0.23 will do it all for you
[02:22] <mrand> When you fire up the first-end, it'll upgrade that stuff.
[02:22] <markl_> ok
[02:23] <markl_> guess i should head down and fire it up! :)
[02:23] <mrand> yep!
[02:28] <ball> Thought about buying a TiVo box to replace this Comcast DVR, but they're US$300 plus monthly service fee.
[02:28] <ball> ...and require broadband.
[02:36] <dewman> I would never buy a tivo....Something that phones home on its own....sounds like a micro$oft box. =P
[02:37]  * ball nods
[02:38] <ball> If I had the money for something like that, I'd put it towards building a Mythbuntu box.
[02:38] <ball> Can't afford that either though.
[02:39] <markl_> did tivo lose their agreements with all the satellite/cable companies?
[02:39] <markl_> i have dish network and their DVR sucks
[02:39] <markl_> but if all i can do with tivo is over the air, may as well stick to myth
[02:40] <markl_> i looked at a way to use myth with dish encrypted channels but it was $$ and a house of cards, required a Windows XP box in the middle
[02:40] <dewman> I didnt think I could afford one. untill i removed all my work software from my windows box and inserted a linux cd in it. =) heck even got my dvb card for free from a guy at work....
[02:40] <markl_> cool what kind of dvb card?
[02:40] <dewman> of course i cant get the channels to scan correctly....but thats another story.. =)
[02:40] <markl_> i still have a couple of pchdtv cards that i think i overheated
[02:40] <markl_> too many years in a box with low rpm fans
[02:41] <dewman> o its a piece. its a hd framegrabber.
[02:41] <ball> markl_: You think that one's bad?  You should try the Comcast thing.  It's primeval.
[02:41] <dewman> avermedia something or other
[02:41] <dewman> primeval or primestar?
[02:41] <markl_> i definitely miss my directivo
[02:41] <dewman> hehe
[02:42] <ball> dewman: I'm trying to think of the word my wife used to describe it.  "prehistoric" or "primative" perhaps
[02:42] <ball> "poop"
[02:42] <dewman> ball, lol
[02:42] <markl_> dish dvr is ass-tastic
[02:42] <Zinn> markl_: Please watch your language.
[02:42] <ball> Seriously.  It's awful.
[02:43] <dewman> I sitll cant figure out why there has to be conflicting channels in a digital scan. One minute i get tv, next minute i get music....
[02:43] <dewman> uggh
[02:46] <ball> I bet we could get most of these channels with an antenna and a masthead preamp
[02:46] <ball> ...wouldn't even need a rotator
[02:53] <dewman> ball, cable tv here....little tiny cable company in the middle of MI
[02:53] <ball> dewman: Do you get a DVR from them?
[02:54] <dewman> ball, no....Thats extra. I just signed up for basic cable,internet and phone for 110 a month
[02:56] <ball> It blows my mind how much Americans pay for television.
[02:57] <dewman> well 65.00 of that is really internet, which in my case is expensed back to my company. 35 is phone so 10 bucks for 65 channels isnt to shabby...
[02:58] <dewman> but I know what you mean...
[02:58] <mrand> Yes, in general we pay too much for TV.  And I think our Internet is way overpriced to, especially on a $/Gbps basis.
[03:00] <ball> I think I pay about US$ 30/month (on top of my phone bill) for 1.5M/384k DSL
[03:02] <dewman> mine us 3M/512K so not to terrible....Already thinking about ditching the cable.....My 30 foot tower has a 20 year old channel master that grabs stations for 40 miles away in HD....
[03:03] <ball> dewman: There's some sort of antenna up on top of our tower too, but the...what's the RX equivalent of "feedline"?
[03:04] <ball> ...the cable from it isn't coax.
[03:04] <ball> 300 Ohm?
[03:05] <mrand> I'm lucky - wife works from home and so gets compensated for internet - so we have the top tier.  It rocks.
[03:05] <mrand> I think feedline term is used for either direction.
[03:05] <ball> I remember seeing an equivalent term for reception cable.
[03:05] <dewman> yep 300 ohm the flat cable?
[03:05]  * ball nods
[03:06] <dewman> yep....old style... but you can get a 300-75 convertor for .50 at the hardware store. not sure what the picture quality would be... might not be bad...depends on how bad the wire is
[03:07] <ball> dewman: I'd rather put an HD9032 up there, or 9035, whatever
[03:07] <ball> dewman: but I'm not in a position to pay someone to climb the thing.
[03:08] <markl_> wow!!!!!! 0.23 is way better
[03:08] <markl_> superm1: thanks a ton for your help
[03:08] <markl_> and everyone else
[03:09] <dewman> you dont really need one. heck make your own antenna out of copper wire and some chicken wire and pvc for probally half the cost, and you can toss it in your attic. =)
[03:09] <ball> dewman: I wouldn't get anything useful from my attic
[03:09] <dewman> ball, yeah....I was just trying to help.... =)
[03:14] <ball> I should go to bed before I fall down.
[03:14] <ball> It's pointless me reading about Mythbuntu when I can't afford a box on which to run it.
[03:15] <ball> Goodnight all
[03:15] <mrand> hahah... night!
[03:20] <dewman> so when i edit channels, how long does it take to update the changes in the guide?
[03:20] <dewman> IE changing the xmtv number to match correctly.
[03:20] <dewman> opps.... xmltv ide
[03:21] <dewman> and why does myth insist on using on air guide for locals when i am pulling from sd?
[03:23] <mrand> maybe you have EIT enabled?
[03:25] <dewman> looks like the locals are marked as atsc channels....
[03:25] <dewman> which shouldnt really make a difference should it?
[03:25] <dewman> eit is in the backend on the card setup right?
[03:26] <mrand> yes, I believe so.
[03:38] <dewman> I really hate channel scanning....Its so screwed up.... channels are no where near where they are supposed to be....plus i have music channels in there which shouldnt be there....uggh... this is going to take forever to try to fix.
[06:07] <map7_> I've got a HVR-2200 and I'm having trouble watching TV on some stations
[06:07] <map7_> can anyone help me?
[06:07] <map7_> I think the stations in question (SBS & Nine) are in a different codec than usual
[08:02] <styelz> huh
[09:43] <pmcenery> Anyone tried mythvideo on lucid? DVDs cause the frontend to crash. Anyone else seeing this?
[09:52] <superm1> pmcenery, make sure you are upgraded to the current packages in lucid, and then file a bug report using apport when it crashes
[11:24] <pmcenery> superm1: just installed latest updates and still crashed. See bug #549459.
[11:25] <pmcenery> superm1: sorry. I put that in #ubuntu-motu initially.
[13:03] <pmcenery> I've just noticed that the lucid mythtv package has been bumped to version fixes23789
[13:04] <pmcenery> Are the plugins being built at the moment for this version? I've seeing loads of "binary version does not match libraries" messages now
[13:15] <mrand> pmcenery: they are built and should be working fine.  One idea: mythflix finally got marked as conflicting, so you may have to do a dist-upgrade
[13:15] <mrand> Or else remove mythflix
[13:15] <mrand> (manually)
[13:16] <pmcenery> Hmm. I dont have mythflix installed on my frontend
[13:16] <mrand> In fact, I almost guarantee that is what it is.  When I go to do an upgrade, I get the following:
[13:16] <mrand>              The following packages have been kept back:  mythplugins mythtv-frontend
[13:17] <mrand> try a dist-upgrade and see what it offers you
[13:17] <pmcenery> Mmm. I've already done a dist-upgrade... I'lle show you what I've got installed... just a sec
[13:18] <pmcenery> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/mJbJ8T1v
[13:19] <mrand> oh look, firefox crashed.
[13:21] <mrand> pmcenery: what does this show? $ apt-cache policy mythplugins
[13:22] <pmcenery> lol. I'm guessing that if the version of the mythtv source package got bumped, surely the libmyth ones must be being updated too. I'll check that now
[13:24] <pmcenery> http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/TVTVUgUU
[13:24] <pmcenery> I dont have mythplugins installed. I cherry picked them, like mythvideo, etc
[13:24] <mrand> ok, apt-cache policy mythfrontend then
[13:24] <pmcenery> as its a frontend and I dont want mythweb... and apache and all that stuff on a frontend only system
[13:26] <pmcenery> mythtv-frontend: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/mCtDKRZN
[13:26] <pmcenery> that IP is my apt-cacher-ng, btw
[13:27] <pmcenery> Surely mythplugins must be building at the moment to match the version of mythtv?
[13:29] <mrand> pmcenery: yes.  here is mine: http://mythbuntu.pastebin.com/exbAS45w    restarting my frontend to make sure...  I'm guessing a problem with your apt-cacher
[13:36] <mrand> In the past there have been problems with the repo's from time to time, so don't completely ignore that possibility.
[13:40] <pmcenery> Checking now...
[13:40] <pmcenery> mrand: I see yours has the updated mythvideo package too
[13:44] <mrand> pmcenery: can you provide a link to the bug you filed?
[13:44] <pmcenery> Could this be that I am pointing at gb.archive.ubuntu.com?
[13:44] <Zinn> [gb.archive.ubuntu.com] Index of /
[13:44] <pmcenery> I only have this package installable: Version: 0.23.0+fixes23784-0ubuntu1 for mythvideo
[13:44] <pmcenery> Sure... finding it now
[13:45] <pmcenery> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/549459
[13:45] <Zinn> [bugs.launchpad.net] OpenID transaction in progress
[13:46] <mrand> pmcenery: Is gb.archive something that mirrors the mythtv autobuilds?
[13:47] <pmcenery> Mmm. I'm not sure. After an install of Lucid, its the UK mirror that was selected. Which one is the most authorative, or which one are you guys pointing at?
[13:48] <mrand> pmcenery: do you have Mythbuntu control centre installed?
[13:48] <pmcenery> Yep.
[13:48] <mrand> You should be able to config/select the autobuilds in there.
[13:48] <pmcenery> Ok. let me check it out
[13:52] <pmcenery> mrand: In Software Sources?
[13:53] <pmcenery> I've just taken a look and cant see where you select autobuild server as a source
[13:53] <mrand> On my karmic install, second from the top is "repositories"   I don' thave my lucid install up at the moment.
[13:56] <pmcenery> lucid doesnt have that option. Its got MySQL, Infrared, System Roles, System Updates (which is where I checked), Themes, MythExport, Services, Log Grabber, Plugins, Graphics Drivers, Proprietry Codecs, Startup Behaviour.
[13:56] <pmcenery> I'm just googing for the autobuild server
[13:56] <pmcenery> I'm guessing I should point directly to that. What host is in your /etc/apt/sources.list?
[13:58] <mrand> or you can do this:  sudo dpkg-reconfigure mythbuntu-repos
[13:59] <pmcenery> Just found the page on the website. Looks like you need to install mythbuntu-repos, and its not a package that is "int the repo" - if you know what I mean. You gotta download it from the site and install it
[13:59] <mrand> maybe you don't have the repos installed, and that's why it isn't in mcc.
[13:59] <mrand> yep yep
[14:01] <pmcenery> Do I want the PPA too?
[14:01] <pmcenery> enabled that is...
[14:02] <pmcenery> naa. I'll stick to the remotely usable one
[14:02] <mrand> In theory you can enable any location.
[14:05] <pmcenery> mrand: thanks. I've just updated. The packages have been built, but they were not moved to the "normal" ubuntu repo yet (plugins, that is)
[14:06] <mrand> yeah, seems like it.  Daviey, superm1 ^^^
[14:06] <mrand> hopefully next drop in ten days (for beta2) should be better
[14:06] <mrand> pmcenery: please be sure to retry your bug... if you can't reproduce it, go ahead and mark it as invalid.
[14:06] <pmcenery> I'll try DVD now, seeing as I have the latest mythvideo
[14:07] <mrand> I can't remember if there is a verbose log option that can be enabled for mythvideo.  It might be helpful to capture that.
[14:10] <pmcenery> Bad news. Still crashes
[14:14] <mrand> pmcenery: I can't see that bug right now, it's private.  If there is not a frontend log attached, please make sure there is one.
[14:14] <pmcenery> Ok. will change it to public... forgot, and will do a mythfrontend -v all? log?
[14:15] <mrand> pmcenery: what is that bug filed against?  mythbuntu or something else?
[14:16] <pmcenery> mythtv-frontend
[14:17] <pmcenery> public now
[14:19] <mrand> pmcenery: -v all should certainly capture useful info... just be sure to not do too much else, otherwise the log will be overwhelming.   One last request: until apport works on that bug, there is no telling if it will have good debugging symbol info.  Please install mythplugins-dbg  and open a second bug report.  That might get a bit more symbol level debugging and I'll take whichever one produces better info and forward it upstream
[14:25] <mrand> pmcenery: thanks a ton for doing that.  I'll be back later.
[14:26] <mrand> (and if you could post the bug number when it's done, I'd be eternally grateful).
[14:31] <pmcenery> mrand: I'll file against mythtfrontend again
[14:35] <pmcenery> mrand: done bug #549593
[14:35] <Zinn> Bug 549593 in mythtv (Ubuntu) "mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in QX11PixmapData::x11ConvertToDefaultDepth()" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/549593
[14:42] <pmcenery> mrand: You should be able to close bug #549459
[14:42] <Zinn> Bug 549459 in mythtv (Ubuntu) "mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in QX11PixmapData::x11ConvertToDefaultDepth()" [Undecided, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/549459
[15:22]  * Daviey reads scrollback
[15:48] <dewman> has anyone had any luck with the channel scanner in .23 with cable tv?
[16:12] <Daviey> dewman: sorry, i don't have cable.
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[17:47] <pmcenery> superm1: has anyone else seen this, or am I just crazy running my system on the bleeding edge stuff?
[17:48] <superm1> pmcenery, based on the bug that mrand marked it as a duplicate of, i think it's been encountered
[17:48] <pmcenery> I have a good reason to do it though. There was something wrong with DVB in the karmic kernel.
[17:48] <superm1> i personally use an external blu ray player, so i dunno
[17:49] <pmcenery> The video would go all pixelated and stuff with a DVB-C card every few days. Not an issue with the lucid kernel
[17:50] <pmcenery> superm1: Are you able to play blu-ray disks. I thought they hadnt yet cracked it like libdvdcss2 does?
[17:50] <superm1> external player
[17:50] <superm1> like physical external
[17:50] <pmcenery> Ah, like in PS3... ok
[17:52] <pmcenery> dewman: I have cable, but I havent tried scanning in the last couple of years.
[17:52] <pmcenery> I do something quite different. I use a spreadsheet, and the scan command to set the channels up the way I want them
[17:53] <pmcenery> You then build a formula in the spreadsheet with the SQL commands to update the database.
[17:54] <pmcenery> Probably too geekified, but you get the channels where you want them and when they move around its easy to fix - ish
[17:54] <superm1> scanning has greatly improved within the last year
[17:55] <superm1> you might want to take a look again and see
[17:55] <superm1> dewman, and if you were referring to the analogue scanner, yes that's been fixed in 0.23 too
[17:56] <pmcenery> I'm sure it works well now. But the names that come down the cable are all messed up, some unnamed - and they change every now and then.
[18:00] <pmcenery> I've only just switched over from using minimyth for the frontend. Its the first time I have had matching front/back end versions, and it really seems to help then they are matched.
[18:02] <pmcenery> I'm just battling to get hdmi to be the "default" audio device system wide. Does anyone know how to do it?
[18:19] <pmcenery> I've got ALSA:hdmi in the general setup, and this works, but things like youtube and mythmusic dont have any sound. On Minimyth the strategy was to set hdmi as the default audio device in /etc/asound.conf. Whats the "right" way to achieve this on mythbuntu?
[18:21] <superm1> you can do the same thing in ~/.asoundrc
[18:21] <pmcenery> superm1: thanks.
[18:31] <Daviey> pmcenery: do you get mixing/volume control?
[18:34] <Daviey> mrand: bug 549593 has a core dump
[18:34] <Zinn> Bug 549593 in mythtv "mythfrontend.real crashed with SIGSEGV in QX11PixmapData::x11ConvertToDefaultDepth()" [Unknown, New] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/549593
[18:34] <Daviey> and not private
[18:37] <Daviey> superm1: Ahh, is that bug suggesting it should be installed to "/usr/share/perl/5*" rather than /usr/share/perl5/ ?
[18:37] <superm1> i dont know for sure
[18:39] <Daviey> http://www.debian.org/doc/packaging-manuals/perl-policy/ch-perl.html#s-paths
[18:39] <Zinn> [www.debian.org] Debian Perl Policy - Perl Packaging
[18:39] <Daviey> so site = /usr/local/*
[18:40] <Daviey> and vendor = /usr/{lib,share}/perl5
[18:40] <Daviey> so we are fine, this is fixed
[18:41] <pmcenery> Daviey: I have now put a .asoundrc find with pcm.!default hdmi:Intel in and recordings etc are now working with ALSA:default
[18:41] <pmcenery> volume control doesnt work
[18:41] <pmcenery> I use the TV for that
[18:41] <pmcenery> Still got no audio in mythmusic though
[18:41] <Daviey> pmcenery: yeah,i had to run it through a software mixer
[18:42] <pmcenery> Ah. have you got a link on how to do that?
[18:42] <pmcenery> I suspect that the internet video stuff - like youtube will only work when I do that...
[18:43] <pmcenery> I thought that the .asoundrc entry would make any audio use the hdmi output... but anyway
[18:43]  * pmcenery brb
[18:50] <Daviey> pmcenery: sorry i haven't, it was a long time ago.  If google doesn't help, i'll write it up
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[20:23] <pmcenery> Daviey: does this look familiar? http://art.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1376869
[20:23] <Zinn> [art.ubuntuforums.org] [SOLVED] Mythmusic won't play when set up for hdmi - Ubuntu Forums
[20:24] <pmcenery> I think I've got it working now. Certainly flash based stuff is working. Mythmusic has another issue at the moment I'm working on
[20:37] <mrand> pmcenery: be sure to check the mythtv-user and mythtv-dev mailing list archives also.
[20:38] <Rigor_M> Hi, i'm trying to use vdpau on 0.22 version but I get image gitter (vdpau normal profile) but not when using the HiDef sampling, anyone have pointers on what to look for ?
[20:43] <pmcenery> mrand: That forum link worked. In fact, I think the single line setting hdmi as the default output would have too. I had some misconfiguration in mythmusic...
[20:45] <mrand> pmcenery: I'm sorry to say that I'm not up on all the sound stuff.  so was it just a typo on the asound.conf?
[20:46] <pmcenery> I pretty much just needed to set the default audio device as hdmi:Intel, and then in mythtv ALSA:default for it to work
[20:47] <pmcenery> I had the wrong path in mytmusic, so it couldnt find files initially
[20:47] <mrand> ah, so it's the old "right config combination"
[20:48] <pmcenery> Yeh. I've noticed lucid has some timing issues with NFS on boot
[20:48] <pmcenery> I'll need to look for the bug number again, but I had to resort to noauto in the fstab and sleep 30 before mounting /var/lib/mythtv
[20:49] <pmcenery> upstart is a bit "quick" by the look of it
[20:51] <pmcenery> bug #504224
[20:51] <Zinn> Bug 504224 in mountall (Ubuntu) "NFS mounts at boot time prevent boot or print spurious errors" [Medium, Confirmed] http://www.launchpad.net/bugs/504224
[20:53] <pmcenery> I mount /var/lib/mythtv from the backend, and without making it "noauto" in the fstab, it doesnt boot past "waiting for /var/lib/mythtv..."
[20:54] <mrand> Daviey: ^ anything we can do about this in general, or is it something each person has to take care of themselves?
[20:55] <pmcenery> I would have thought that NFS working was a fundamental, but they seems to think its only of medium importance.
[20:55] <pmcenery> I support loads of servers that have NFS mounts in the fstab
[20:55] <pmcenery> But I'm sure they will fix it...
[20:57]  * pmcenery will be right back
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[21:07] <punjabber> is there a scan utility that will do qam64 for cable tv?
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[21:16] <mrand> punjabber: I'm sure the answer is yes, but I don't know what (beyond mythtv-setup, which I think will do it).
[21:19] <Rigor_M> is it possible to change the cpu scaling with mythbuntu 9.10 ?
[21:33] <mrand> Rigor_M: I believe so... whatever you can find for Ubuntu would apply to Mythbuntu
[21:34] <Rigor_M> i just changed the % in the scaling on the ondemand governor..
[21:34] <Rigor_M> changed nothing to my trouble :-(
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[22:48] <Daviey> mrand: yeah, don't use nfs
[22:49] <Daviey> autofs pretty much superseeds nfs mounts in /etc/fstab
[22:49] <Daviey> pmcenery: ^^
[23:02] <dewman> superm1, thanks. I am running .23 trunk...And the scanning is terrible for me. Each time I scan for chans on 64qam i get nothing but music channels. Its really strange. I know that my cable company broadcasts on 256 but those are mostly locals.
[23:02] <superm1> oh so digital stuff, okay
[23:02] <superm1> if you can change the timeout in the tuner settings, that might help
[23:02] <superm1> some channels take a longer time to get a lock
[23:02] <dewman> superm1, did that...changed it to 25000
[23:03] <superm1> and still, hmm. wow
[23:03] <dewman> yeah...
[23:03] <dewman> weird...
[23:03] <dewman> ok, so even though its on qam, does that mean its digital?
[23:03] <superm1> do other tools fail just as bad?
[23:03] <superm1> qam is a modulation type used for digital broadcasts
[23:04] <dewman> ok...on the schedules direct page there is two lineups....would that have something to do with it if my lineups where out of whack?
[23:06] <dewman> I havent had much luck with the other tools. i tried w_scan and it only picks up the 256 qam. Unless I am doing it wrong.
[23:07] <superm1> well so it's possible it's a tuner bug then too
[23:07] <dewman> yeah, I have a pretty cheap tuner...
[23:07] <superm1> i'd doubt it's caused by the lineups being out of wack though
[23:07] <superm1> do you have a copy of the other OS handy that you can double check with known good drivers?
[23:07] <superm1> you can at least rule out HW problems then
[23:09] <dewman> I have a under powered windows box, i tried that today...it scanned  the locals...but then it hung about 60 % through the scan
[23:09] <dewman> http://www.mythtv.org/wiki/AVerTV_HD_A180 thats what I have.
[23:09] <Zinn> [www.mythtv.org] AVerTV HD A180 - MythTV
[23:10] <superm1> base on the problems/solutions listed there, maybe it's time to invest in a nicer tuner...
[23:12] <dewman> lol
[23:12] <dewman> yeah...I was thinking about getting a hdhomerun...
[23:12] <dewman> but still not sure which one i might try to use next.
[23:13] <superm1> i've got a HDHR and love it
[23:13] <superm1> it's especially great because i keep it up in my closet upstairs where it's not a big deal to have a huge antenna sitting there, whereas it would take focus away from the TV if it was sitting on my backend
[23:14] <dewman> do you have the single or the dual?
[23:15] <superm1> dual
[23:15] <superm1> i've only ever really had one problem with it.
[23:16] <superm1> i hooked up the wrong transformer to it and fried the sucker. the transformer had the same plug as my router and i didn't pay attention.  5v != 10v apparently
[23:16] <superm1> i sent it in for repair, and they through a brand new mainboard in for i want to say about 100 bucks
[23:17] <dewman> wow.....
[23:17] <dewman> well...
[23:17] <dewman> I might just go order one....
[23:18] <dewman> this is just a framegrabber anyways. not the best in the world..ebay here i come.... =)
[23:18] <superm1> yeah thank goodness framegrabbers are going away
[23:20] <dewman> i might just try to truncate all the tables and try it one more time. WAF factor is hitting rock bottom..
[23:42] <camelreef> Hello from Aberdeen
[23:42] <camelreef> Scotland
[23:42] <camelreef> I have just upgraded my system to current lucid
[23:42] <camelreef> and to 0.23
[23:43] <camelreef> and I am experiencing some weird version mismatch
[23:43] <camelreef> all is fine on my combined BE+FE
[23:44] <camelreef> but on my laptop, with an FE on it, I have plugins complaining about version mismatch
[23:44] <camelreef> Plugin mythvideo (0.23.20100225-1) binary version does n
[23:44] <camelreef> ot match libraries (0.23.20100314-1)
[23:44] <camelreef> mythvideo:
[23:44] <camelreef>   Installed: 0.23.0+fixes23784-0ubuntu1
[23:45] <camelreef> mythtv-frontend:
[23:45] <camelreef>   Installed: 0.23.0+fixes23789-0ubuntu2
[23:45] <camelreef> on the working BE+FE I have
[23:45] <camelreef> mythvideo:
[23:45] <camelreef>   Installed: 0.23.0+fixes23784-0ubuntu1
[23:46] <camelreef> mythtv-frontend:
[23:46] <camelreef>   Installed: 0.23.0+fixes23789-0ubuntu2
[23:46] <camelreef> exact same versions
[23:46] <camelreef> but no complaint
[23:48] <superm1> Daviey, ^
[23:48] <superm1> that's why i'm wondering if we need t orebuild plugins
[23:48] <superm1> camelreef, what arch?
[23:49] <camelreef> FE+BE is 64 bit
[23:49] <camelreef> the FE with a pb is 32 bit
[23:50] <superm1> well that's rather peculiar then
[23:50] <camelreef> hehe
[23:51] <Daviey> :o
[23:51] <camelreef> I purged and reinstalled all myth packages on the problematic FE, same result
[23:52] <Daviey> camelreef: When you say complaining, where are you seeing that?
[23:52] <camelreef> in the frontend logs: Plugin mythvideo (0.23.20100225-1) binary version does not match libraries (0.23.20100314-1)
[23:53] <camelreef> and mythmusic and mythgallery, that I also have installed
[23:53] <Daviey> hmm, perhaps it does need a rebuild then
[23:53] <Daviey> superm1: ^^
[23:53] <dewman> superm1, I just noticed after i deleted the dvb card there was still junk freqs in the db, did some truncating and doing a rescan now.... will cross fingers.
[23:54] <superm1> Daviey, well on your prod frontend, are you 32 or 64 bit?
[23:54] <camelreef> both systems have the same libmyth
[23:54] <camelreef> libmyth-0.23-0:
[23:54] <camelreef>   Installed: 0.23.0+fixes23789-0ubuntu2
[23:54] <Daviey> superm1: 64 bit was built later.. i reckon 32bit plugins were built against the OLD mythtv already in the archive
[23:54] <superm1> doh
[23:54] <superm1> that sounds sensibly explanatory
[23:55] <camelreef> hehe
[23:55] <Daviey> superm1: i'll push a no change rebuild to bzr :D
[23:55] <camelreef> so I have hope to have new packages in tomorrow morning's upgrade?
[23:55] <camelreef> thanks guys
[23:55] <superm1> Daviey, well is there any changes to svn on plugins since last one?
[23:55] <superm1> maybe it's worthwhile to just rev the plugins while we're at it
[23:56] <superm1> i was gonna try today's live disk but hit some ubiquity bugs i just fixed
[23:56] <superm1> so we won't be able to test until tomorrow's
[23:57] <camelreef> one other thing I have noticed - mythvideo doesn't like directory names with accentuated chars in them
[23:57] <camelreef> like "Séries completes"
[23:57] <camelreef> using "Series Completes" works
[23:57] <superm1> what happens with the former?
[23:58] <Daviey> camelreef: Can you report a bug, and mention what happens and steps to reproduce?
[23:58] <camelreef> just not discovered by the scan
[23:58] <camelreef> ok
[23:59] <camelreef> what is the name of those directories that work across the network again?