[01:59] <Takyoji> Oh fun http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/10/03/26/2240250/Nvidia-Drops-Support-For-Its-Open-Source-Driver
[02:13] <rlaager> Takyoji: +1 on all that.
[02:13] <rlaager> So is it just me, or is Ubuntu Server sucking more and more with each release?
[02:15] <Takyoji> I haven't been much of an Ubuntu Server user
[02:15] <Takyoji> Any specific reasons for such disappointment?
[02:16] <rlaager> Does anyone know what is up with this transition to using "service FOO restart" or "restart FOO"? I don't understand why it was necessary to break "/etc/init.d/FOO restart" *with no notice*. Or, more importantly, why it was necessary to break "invoke-rc.d FOO restart", which is required (by Debian policy) to be used in package maintainer scripts.
[02:16] <rlaager> Also, ureadahead is broken for me, and something makes it appear as though the boot has hung. (I just realized that I should try switching VTs to get a login.)
[02:17] <rlaager> Lucid works fine on our hardware, but the installer CDs fail to boot. (That's been a problem since Karmic, or earlier when using non-minimal CDs.)
[02:18] <rlaager> New in Lucid, however, is the breakage of support for their network controllers in the installer. This means we can't even netboot to avoid the CD issue. Again, note that Lucid works fine once installed. How did we do it? We installed from a Jaunty minimal CD and dist-upgraded.
[02:19] <rlaager> Is it really necessary for a distro to tell me both that it's checking for a new version and that none is available, on every login?
[02:20] <Takyoji> I had no idea /etc/init.d/(service) (command) was removed..
[02:20] <Takyoji> Sounds like a barrel of pure fun
[02:21] <rlaager> Yeah, it's wonderful, especially because "service FOO restart" doesn't work on earlier versions, from what very limited testing I've done.
[02:23] <Takyoji> At least it makes it somewhat easier to remember for new users. :P
[02:30] <Takyoji> I wonder if Cinepaint is an officially dead project (or at least for now)
[02:44] <ripps> update Ambiance Cold today, can someone please tell me why people keep marking it down? Is there something wrong with it that I'm not noticing? http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=121118
[02:50] <Takyoji> Nothing substantially sticks out
[06:00] <rlaager> I take back some of my comments. It seems the upstart init script messages are warnings. The /etc/init.d/FOO invocations still seem to work.
[21:18] <Takyoji> It just seems like the common business trend these days is income by just suing anyone, and trying everything to "protect" their intellectual property; rather than actually focusing on what the consumers desire.. It just keeps getting worse constantly. The legal battles, DRM, international regulation, and so forth. And now we have the ACTA underway.
[21:24] <Takyoji> I think in this past year there's been more and more regulation against "piracy" and "copyright infringement" in terms of the internet. UK, now France, and next the US.
[22:34] <Takyoji> And nobody cares. :P