[00:27] <RobW> I think I may have a firewall issue
[00:27] <RobW> Trying to figure out how.. I've completely somewhat *disabled* iptables
[00:27] <RobW> by allowing all connections to try and troubleshoot it..
[00:28] <RobW> I have a ventrilo server running in daemon mode on 3784, in vent I can see the server is available, yet when I try to connect it hangs on 'contacting server'
[00:29] <RobW> If anyone has any ideas it'd be appreciated
[00:33] <RobW> nvm
[00:33] <RobW> forgot to set it up as TCP not UDP :>
[01:03] <Appetite> how can i empty the trash bin as root? a few files in there require root access to delete, and i dont know the mount point of trash :p
[01:05] <psycho_oreos> hmm I can only think of a nasty hack, using gksu and thunar
[01:05] <Appetite> any way that works :p
[01:05] <psycho_oreos> think that idea would work :p you just get a lovely message saying that running as root is dangerous, yadda yadda yadda
[01:06] <Appetite> yeah.
[01:06] <Appetite> either trash via root isn't working, or it still hasn't loaded yet..
[01:06] <Appetite> yeah its not working
[01:06] <Appetite> no loading icon/mouse and  says 0 items in trash
[01:07] <psycho_oreos> no loading icon/mouse?
[01:07] <Appetite> i mean there is  no loading icon, and the mouse doesn't having the loading icon thing attached
[01:08] <Appetite> basically i mean its done loading, yet its empty
[01:09] <psycho_oreos> lol dunno, I hardly use trash bin to be honest.. and like you said before there's no exact location mentioned where is trash.. the other way is to check via lsof and trace to the possible location
[01:09] <psycho_oreos> other than that I dunno why you delete stuff that belongs to root :)
[01:10] <psycho_oreos> s/location/locations
[01:10] <Appetite> it didn't belong to root, it was just in /usr/local/ and i hadn't changed permissions properly before deleting
[01:10] <psycho_oreos> and so you can't move the data out of the trash bin?
[01:11] <Appetite> hm i can try
[01:11] <Appetite> is there a way to disable trash bin? i.e. - delete immidiately?
[01:11] <psycho_oreos> use CLI like I do lol
[01:11] <psycho_oreos> rm
[01:12] <Appetite> k
[01:15] <Appetite> seems i can't move them either
[01:16] <Appetite> theres no documentation as to the mount point of trash? O,o
[01:20] <psycho_oreos> not that I'm aware of but nothing that lsof can't resolve for this instance
[01:21] <Appetite> lsof?
[01:21] <psycho_oreos> its a CLI tool
[01:21] <Appetite>  see that, but how do i use it ?
[01:22] <psycho_oreos> I'd probably have thunar open/running and have it displaying Trash contents (not root's trash but whatever the one you have stuff you want to delete) and then make lsof grep the various open files by thunar
[01:23] <psycho_oreos> then there's another option I just thought of as well, strace
[01:23] <Appetite> lsof | grep 'trash'
[01:23] <Appetite> or
[01:23] <Appetite> lsof | grep 'some item in trash' ?
[01:23] <psycho_oreos> in case grep thunar would probably be more appropriate
[01:24] <Appetite> hm k its running, sec
[01:26] <Appetite> all points returned are /usr/lib/thunar*
[01:26] <Appetite> thunar* is thunar then something
[01:27] <psycho_oreos> probably need to do strace then
[01:27] <Appetite> k
[01:27] <Appetite> same type thing? or different usage?
[01:28] <psycho_oreos> there's a way to make strace point to the pid of the program and in which case thunar
[01:28] <Appetite> ah k
[01:29] <Appetite> hm how can i find the pid of thunar?
[01:29] <Appetite> pgrep 'thunar' is returning nothing
[01:29] <psycho_oreos> it might be listed as Thunar instead of thunar
[01:30] <Appetite> ay. lol
[01:30] <Appetite> /home/user/.local/share/Trash/files
[01:31] <Appetite> is the trash mount point :p
[01:32] <psycho_oreos> well there you go
[01:32] <Appetite> hm. well
[01:33] <Appetite>  /home/user/.local/share/Trash/info/ contains .trashinfo files
[01:33] <Appetite> yet when i delete them
[01:33] <Appetite> they reapper
[01:33] <psycho_oreos> you probably need root perms
[01:33] <psycho_oreos> err
[01:33] <Appetite> :p
[01:34] <psycho_oreos> .trashinfo is probably autocreated by xfce :p
[01:34] <Appetite> woops well they're gone now
[01:34] <Appetite> lol
[02:50] <PingJocky> can anyone confirm that there is no mono in xubuntu?
[03:32] <m1ke_l> ciao!
[03:32] <m1ke_l> how can i replace xfwm with compiz?
[03:32] <m1ke_l> i've replaced xfwm -daemon in xinitrc with compiz --repalce but each boot loads xfwm instead
[04:17] <problematicsad> hello,  the list given to me is network / multimedia / games etc -  But i know some installed programs are in other sections like "education" which doesnt appear  on "start menu of xubuntu"
[04:17] <problematicsad> what am i supposed to do to manipulate this default list, i have been trying to find how for 40 mins and i have no clue
[04:19] <problematicsad> any help will be appreciated.
[04:52] <RobW> renice -20 is a higher priority than renice 20, right
[04:57] <gottto> from the man page you need a + value e.g renice +1 etc
[04:57] <RobW> right
[04:57] <RobW> question
[04:58] <RobW> In 'top' is there a way to view if a process is running on both CPUs or just a single?
[04:58] <RobW> I looked @ taskset, its affinity mask is at 3
[04:59] <gottto> afaik top doesn't show how apps are threaded
[04:59] <RobW> Hm
[04:59] <RobW> so 0x00000003 = proc 0/1
[04:59] <RobW> I guess I can just use that then
[05:06] <Balsaq> good morning Lords of the Qode...
[07:12] <Marie> hi all
[07:12] <Marie> can anyone help me to install xbuntu-desktop on genome 9.10
[07:13] <bazhang> sudo apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[07:13] <Marie> doesn't work
[07:13] <bazhang> sure it does
[07:14] <bazhang> check for typos
[07:14] <Marie> just a minute
[07:14] <Marie> thak you bazhang
[07:14] <Marie> it works
[07:14] <bazhang> you're welcome
[07:16] <psycho_oreos> any of you have random hangs with pidgin?
[07:17] <bazhang> use xchat for irc
[07:17] <psycho_oreos> every so often I see pidgin lagging (this doesn't happen frequently, like maybe 1 per day) the CPU usage is high and I had to kill it
[07:17] <psycho_oreos> yeah I'm actually using pidgin for msn mainly
[07:17] <Marie> which one is the best display manger
[07:17] <Marie> suggestion guys
[07:17] <psycho_oreos> Marie, that's kinda like asking which car is the best
[07:18] <Marie> i have got kde and now xubuntu
[07:18] <Marie> i want to try if anything is best than these
[07:18] <bazhang> Marie, try one of the -offtopic channels, or #ubuntu-bots
[07:18] <psycho_oreos> there is no `best', each one is built for different people
[07:19] <Marie> thank you
[08:27] <Robert__> what will the new xubuntu theme look like?
[09:57] <lucas_> hello guys
[09:57] <lucas_> i need help again :P
[10:00] <lucas_> i have no sound on my xubuntu
[10:04] <_Techie_> can you be more precise, have you tried anything?
[10:04] <lucas_> no
[10:04] <lucas_> i only tried lshw -C sound
[10:05] <_Techie_> have you checked in your sound options to see if your soundcard is being detected?
[10:06] <lucas_> wait ill check
[10:06] <_Techie_> also check that its not muted
[10:07] <lucas_> yes its recognized
[10:07] <lucas_> as an oss mixer
[10:08] <lucas_> but not muted
[10:08] <_Techie_> have you chhecked its not muted?
[10:08] <lucas_> no, its not muted...
[10:08] <lucas_> wait i have two choice of sound card
[10:08] <lucas_> ill pick the other one...
[10:08] <_Techie_> in a terminal can you please run the command alsamixer and check that PCM is un muted
[10:09] <Sysi> isn't xfce-mixer frontend for alsamixer?
[10:09] <lucas_> no nothing is muted
[10:10] <lucas_> master=100
[10:11] <lucas_> hello sysi :D
[10:11] <Sysi> ohai
[10:11] <lucas_> i dont have soud on my youtube vids
[10:11] <lucas_> nothing is muted
[10:13] <lucas_> do you guys want to know my soundcard specs ?
[10:21] <lucas_> i fixed it
[10:21] <lucas_> heres the tip
[10:21] <lucas_> reboot without ANYTHIING connected to your computer ^^
[10:21] <lucas_> strange, but working
[10:37] <_Techie_> Sysi, in response to your earlier question about xfce-mixer being a frontend to alsamixer, yes it is but i believe there may be some options that dont exist in xfce-mixer
[10:47] <Sysi> could be
[10:51] <_Techie_> anyway, im gonna head to bed... cant be bothered figuring out whats causing the memory where my cursor is cached to play up
[10:51] <_Techie_> night Sysi
[13:42] <mnemoc> hi, anyone experiencing problems with thunar's file browser in 10.04? in just opened one can select files and open the context menu on them just fine, but if you select another directory the files list becomes untouchable
[13:44] <bazhang> mnemoc, #ubuntu+1 for lucid support
[13:44] <mnemoc> but that's for gnome users
[13:44] <bazhang> no its for everyone, kubuntu xubuntu etc
[13:44] <mnemoc> and there is no xubuntu+1 channel :(
[13:44] <mnemoc> ok
[13:45] <mnemoc> going to ask there, thanks
[13:50] <mr_pouit> bug 520118
[13:50] <mr_pouit> hmpf, no bot
[13:50] <mr_pouit> mnemoc: see https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/520118
[14:05] <mnemoc> mr_pouit: thanks
[15:13] <Jengist> Hello
[15:16] <bazhang> hi
[15:16] <Jengist> How you doing?
[15:17] <Jengist> Many people on here or is it better to look for help on #ubuntu?
[15:19] <Sysi> always worth a try, depending a bit about problem
[15:22] <Jengist> super low level stuff really. not xubuntu specific. video stuff
[15:22] <bazhang> transcoding?
[15:22] <Jengist> I'm just using Xubunu and #Ubuntu is so busy
[15:22] <charlie-tca> !question
[15:22] <Jengist> not transcoding
[15:23] <bazhang> here is a bit more quiet
[15:23] <Jengist> sorry man. anyway, just did an install and after selecting an OS in the grub screen, the display fades through a bunch of different colours
[15:24] <Jengist> but doesn't actually boot
[15:25] <charlie-tca> Try editing the line in the grub menu, removing splash and quiet
[15:25] <Jengist> I'll give at a go right now
[15:25] <charlie-tca> Then you can see if there are any error messages showing up
[15:27] <Jengist> so, delete all of "set quiet=1"?
[15:27] <Jengist> or set it to 0?
[15:27] <charlie-tca> where is that?
[15:28] <charlie-tca> In the grub screen, select the os, then hit 'e' to edit
[15:28] <Jengist> it's what comes up when I hit "e" to edit commands in the grub screen
[15:28] <charlie-tca> should be the second or third line, hilight it, at the end of the line should be "quiet splash"
[15:28] <Jengist> shit! now I see. sorry man. gimme a sec
[15:28] <charlie-tca> remove them
[15:29] <charlie-tca> then read the lines at the bottom that tell how to boot, some are hit enter, some are Ctrl+b,
[15:30] <Jengist> how do I save the edit?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> what's it say at the bottom?
[15:31] <charlie-tca> something to boot
[15:31] <charlie-tca> this is a one time edit, for this boot. If it works, you will edit grub in the default install
[15:35] <Jengist> some stuff flashed by while I was looking at the IRC and now the screen is slowly fading through purple.
[15:35] <charlie-tca> okay, good
[15:35] <Jengist> it's settled on a split screen. purple on the left and black on the right
[15:35] <Jengist> good???
[15:35] <charlie-tca> that is usually bad, at that point
[15:36] <Jengist> yep. looks bad
[15:36] <charlie-tca> Try switching to a TTy, first try try Ctrl+Alt+F7
[15:36] <charlie-tca> then try Ctrl+Alt+F2, then Alt+F7
[15:37] <charlie-tca> Then try Ctrl+Alt+SysRq+k
[15:37] <Jengist> The fits one started some fan activity. the others did nothing
[15:37] <charlie-tca> might be not ready to show gdm yet. The boots are a bit slower in lucid
[15:38] <charlie-tca> Other menu items do boot?
[15:39] <Jengist> didn't try memtest. should I?
[15:39] <charlie-tca> Do you have any other os in the menu?
[15:39] <Jengist> nope. just a plain xubuntu install
[15:39] <charlie-tca> You could try recovery menu, then continue
[15:40] <Jengist> just gave it a go
[15:40] <charlie-tca> Or, better yet, recovery menu, select "fix broken packages", then continue
[15:40] <Jengist> same thing again. green takes over the screen slowly then fades to purple
[15:41] <charlie-tca> that's normal
[15:41] <charlie-tca> that is part of plymouth or xsplash
[15:41] <Jengist> OK so back to grub, recovery mode right?
[15:41] <charlie-tca> yup
[15:42] <charlie-tca> Is this an NVidia video ?
[15:43] <Jengist> no idea what the video is. ahould I find out before proceeding?
[15:43] <charlie-tca> nope
[15:43] <Jengist> well, I'm in the command edit area for recovery mode
[15:44] <charlie-tca> should be a menu there?
[15:44] <charlie-tca> select fix broken packages
[15:44] <Jengist> hang on… I selected recovery mode and hit "e". no menu after that
[15:45] <charlie-tca> no, there won't be. for recovery menu, you just let it boot
[15:46] <charlie-tca> You have two systems there, right?
[15:46] <Jengist> but when I try to boot in recovery, the screen just fades though some colours and then everything stops
[15:46] <Jengist> 2 systems. yep
[15:46] <charlie-tca> If the recovery menu doesn't come up, then start again. remove quiet splash from the first entry
[15:46] <charlie-tca> Then ssh in and see if the system is working
[15:47] <Jengist> remove quiet splash from the non-recovery mode OS right? recovery mode doesn't have those commands
[15:47] <charlie-tca> right
[15:48] <Jengist> OK
[15:49] <Jengist> nah. no good. so how do I ssh in?
[15:50] <charlie-tca> in a terminal, ssh USER_NAME@IP of broken system
[15:50] <charlie-tca> or ssh USER_NAME_IN_BROKEN_SYSTEM@hostname of broken system
[15:51] <Jengist> well, both machines are plugged into the one router here so same IP right?
[15:51] <running_rabbit07> no
[15:51] <Jengist> crap
[15:52] <Jengist> how do I get the IP?
[15:52] <running_rabbit07> are you using 192168.1.0?
[15:52] <running_rabbit07> ifconfig in a terminal
[15:52] <running_rabbit07> or netstat -r
[15:52] <charlie-tca> running_rabbit07: can't boot the machine
[15:53] <running_rabbit07> what about the one you are on
[15:53] <charlie-tca> well, actually, can't get to gdm in the broken system
[15:53] <charlie-tca> Jengist: running_rabbit07 is right, netstart -r should tell you something
[15:55] <running_rabbit07> once you find what ip the system you are on is, we can find the network address and then the IP of the other machine
[15:55] <Jengist> 192.168.0.1
[15:55] <Jengist> OK
[15:55] <running_rabbit07> turn on the other machine and run nmap 192.168.0.0
[15:56] <running_rabbit07> run the command from the working machine
[15:56] <Jengist> Starting Nmap 5.00 ( http://nmap.org ) at 2010-03-28 00:56 JST
[15:56] <Jengist> Note: Host seems down. If it is really up, but blocking our ping probes, try -PN
[15:56] <Jengist> Nmap done: 1 IP address (0 hosts up) scanned in 0.73 seconds
[15:57] <running_rabbit07> did you turn the power on to the other machine first? If so it isn't booting far enough to use ssh
[15:58] <Jengist> I never turned it off
[15:58] <running_rabbit07> it isn't booting far enough then
[15:58] <Jengist> yeah, just some fan noise right now
[15:59] <running_rabbit07> can you boot a LiveCD on it?
[15:59] <Jengist> Yep
[16:00] <running_rabbit07> I just signed to see you were trying to ssh, I missed what was said before then, what happened?
[16:00] <running_rabbit07> to get where you are now?
[16:01] <Jengist> back now. hey man.
[16:01] <Jengist> just did a plain xubuntu install
[16:01] <running_rabbit07> dual boot?
[16:02] <Jengist> gets to the grub menu but after selecting an OS, display just fades through a bunch of colours
[16:02] <Jengist> no. just linux
[16:02] <running_rabbit07> which version Karmic or Lucid?
[16:02] <Jengist> karmic
[16:03] <running_rabbit07> the install didn't show any errors?
[16:03] <Jengist> nope
[16:03] <running_rabbit07> have you tried testing the CD when you first booted it?
[16:04] <Jengist> yes and the CD tested good
[16:06] <running_rabbit07> I don't know what else to try other than reatempting an install, anyone else have any ideas?
[16:07] <charlie-tca> boot the live cd, get the debugging/bug report information from the broken system, and file a bug
[16:07] <Jengist> a reinstall would have been my next step IF anything at all had seemed to go wrong with the installation process. I'll give it another go though
[16:07] <Jengist> OK charlie
[16:07] <charlie-tca> Might try another install using the alternate cd, if you are up to it
[16:08] <Jengist> I AM using the alternate CD
[16:08] <charlie-tca> oh, sorry
[16:08] <Jengist> I'm up for it though
[16:09] <charlie-tca> Just most people do with the desktop cd, and it screws the installs up, on some systems
[16:09] <Jengist> dude, I was expecting the headaches to be coming later. when I get it working, I want to try and switch the system to Japanese
[16:10] <Planetary> If i edit a file in xubuntu what do I do? I did: sudo mousepad, edit teh text, save, then do I need to reboot? I didn't notice a change, but I didnt reboot. I changed my ati driver from vesa to radeon.
[16:11] <charlie-tca> yup, Planetary. You must reboot to change the video driver
[16:11] <charlie-tca> but just changing it in mousepad won't really do it
[16:11] <Jengist> gonna go with charlie's idea of grabbing the debug info using the liveCD. thanks guys. spot ya later.
[16:11] <charlie-tca> I don't think, anyway. Maybe it will
[16:12] <charlie-tca> good luck, Jengist
[16:12] <Jengist> cheers mate
[16:12] <Planetary> charlie-tca: why? I need to change a printer file and a driver file. I am helping someone. editing files is something im not familiar with. any help?
[16:13] <charlie-tca> Normally, you install the hardware driver using Applications -> System -> Hardware Drivers
[16:14] <charlie-tca> but you will need to restart to change the driver, either way
[16:25] <Planetary> yeah, this is an old ati radeon 7500. I dont want 3d just a fast 2d driver. hardware driver I dont think finds any. way back in 7.04 there was an easy graphic to change it. I wonder if i can install that frontend to change the driver like in 7.04
[18:05] <Planetary> I am running off of the live cd (9.04). it has windows xp on there only. Where can I find the 'my documents folder'. /media has nothing
[18:06] <charlie-tca> you will need to mount the windows folders
[18:09] <Planetary> its been a while where do i go to do that
[18:09] <Planetary> im searching also
[18:10] <Planetary> is this it  http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/mounting-windows-partition-onto-ubuntu-linux/
[18:22] <charlie-tca> looks right
[19:28] <lucas_> hey sysi
[19:28] <Sysi> hi
[19:28] <lucas_> how are you
[19:28] <lucas_> ?
[19:29] <Sysi> pretty well
[19:29] <lucas_> i finally had my sound working
[19:29] <Sysi> that's great
[19:30] <lucas_> the thing is you have to reboot without  nothing connected