[10:29] <bencrisford> anyobody around?
[10:56] <bencrisford> highvoltage: hello?
[11:09] <Tm_T> there's always bodies around
[11:13] <bencrisford> Tm_T: :)
[15:38] <joerg> hi
[15:45] <joerg> is there a solution for regulating internet access for students?
[15:45] <joerg> the proprietary solution we have can do two things: you can (as a teacher) turn on and off the internet in a particular room
[15:46] <joerg> and you can give network access codes to students which are valid for a certain amount of time
[15:50] <bencrisford> joerg: hmm, do you mean is there a solution that comes with edubuntu?
[15:51] <joerg> no
[15:51] <joerg> I am just asking edubuntu people
[15:51] <joerg> because they might know if there is anything :P
[15:51] <bencrisford> joerg: oh, ok :)
[15:53] <joerg> I'm developing this portal / intranet solution for schools
[15:53] <joerg> and I prefer to integrate existing solutions than making something new
[15:56] <bencrisford> joerg: by regulating internet access, do you mean the amount students use it, or what they use it for
[15:56] <bencrisford> i.e. do you mean to stop them going on things like online games, or stop them using the internet too much?
[15:58] <joerg> I just described what I mean, didn't I?
[15:58] <bencrisford> joerg: yes you did, but i didnt fully understand, sorry :S, i get confused easily :/
[15:59] <joerg> turn on and off the internet
[15:59] <bencrisford> ok, i see :)
[15:59] <joerg> that doesn't mean filter things like online games :P
[15:59] <bencrisford> no, it doesnt :P, i understand now ;)
[16:03] <bencrisford> joerg: i think that alot of tools that filter websites, also allow you to turn off and on the internet as you describe
[16:03] <bencrisford> but i dont know if any exist that just turn on/off the internet
[17:05] <bencrisford> highvoltage: did you get my email?
[17:10] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I did indeed!
[17:10] <highvoltage> bencrisford: yes, feel free to add items
[17:12] <bencrisford> highvoltage: ah ok great
[17:12] <bencrisford> there is a meeting this coming wednesday correct?
[17:13] <bencrisford> am i correct?*
[17:15] <highvoltage> bencrisford: that is correct
[17:17] <bencrisford> :)
[17:29] <joerg_> hmm
[17:29] <joerg_> and is there some open source room booking solution?
[17:29] <joerg_> or resource booking in general?
[18:37] <bencrisford> highvoltage: i think i have fixed my first edubug since i re-installed ubuntu :D
[19:17] <highvoltage> bencrisford: which one is that?
[19:21] <bencrisford> highvoltage: its a typo in the kdeedu control file, but im getting errors when i debuild...
[19:22] <bencrisford> i was gona start out with a really really simple bug, but this is being quite troublesome :(
[19:22] <bencrisford> im getting these errors - http://pastebin.com/PQc1FwFk
[19:23] <bencrisford> its looking for patchsys-quilt.mk but i dont have it
[19:23] <bencrisford> even though i have cbds installed
[19:23] <bencrisford> highvoltage: any ideas?
[19:23] <highvoltage> did you do an apt-get build-dep kdeedu?
[19:24] <bencrisford> i dont think so....
[19:24] <bencrisford> is that the problem highvoltage ?
[19:24] <highvoltage> it could be, you might be missing a build dependency.
[19:24] <bencrisford> highvoltage: this is the first bug fix ive done completely solo
[19:25] <bencrisford> before i had laserjock helping me out
[19:28] <bencrisford> no way....
[19:29] <bencrisford> nixternal fixed it an hour ago
[19:29] <bencrisford> :(
[19:29] <highvoltage> heh :)
[19:29] <bencrisford> i should have assigned it to myself straight away, but i wanted to make sure i could do it
[19:29] <bencrisford> that sucks :P
[19:29] <highvoltage> which one was that btw?
[19:30] <nixternal> bencrisford: ahh damn, I am sorry dude...I saw the email for the typo and just fixed it
[19:30] <highvoltage> oh right, yes
[19:30] <bencrisford> nixternal: haha, its fine, the main thing is that its fixed
[19:30] <bencrisford> and anyway, i got the educational value
[19:30] <bencrisford> :)
[19:31] <bencrisford> highvoltage: btw, getting the build deps worked, i got a gpg error, but i guess thats unrelated
[19:31] <bencrisford> so ty ;)
[19:32] <highvoltage> bencrisford: yep, that's normal if you don't have your gpg key set up and defined
[19:32] <bencrisford> i set up a new one for my new installation today
[19:33] <bencrisford> i couldnt remember the passphrase for my old one [embarrassed face], so i intend to find a way of de-activating it
[19:34] <bencrisford> highvoltage: how do i define my new one?
[19:35] <highvoltage> bencrisford: getting you a link...
[19:36] <bencrisford> highvoltage: i did everything i did last time i think
[19:36] <bencrisford> its on my lp..  in my .bashrc
[19:36] <highvoltage> bencrisford: ah so you have DEBEMAIL and DEBFULLNAME in your .bashrc?
[19:37] <bencrisford> highvoltage: no... :/
[19:37] <highvoltage> then when you do the build command add -kyouremailaddress@blah.com
[19:37] <highvoltage> bencrisford: ok, add the following to your .bashrc:
[19:37] <highvoltage> export DEBEMAIL="your.email@host.com"
[19:37] <highvoltage> export DEBFULLNAME="First Last"
[19:37] <bencrisford> export GPGKEY=(key) - i have that line in there
[19:37] <bencrisford> do i need that last one?
[19:38] <highvoltage> it's useful to have it there, the other devscripts such as dch and others use it too
[19:38] <highvoltage> but it's not strictly necessary
[19:39] <bencrisford> ok, i think its all sorted
[19:39] <bencrisford> at the bottom of my .bashrc i have:
[19:39] <bencrisford> export DEBEMAIL="bencrisford@blahblahblahh..."
[19:39] <bencrisford> export DEBFULLNAME="Ben Crisford"
[19:39] <highvoltage> ok, then you'll either have to end your terminal session and start a new one or resource bash, or just paste that in your current terminal
[19:40] <bencrisford> end terminal session?  u mean just close and open terminal?
[19:42] <bencrisford> and source ~/.bashrc ?
[19:44] <highvoltage> yep, when you open a new one it would have been sourced already
[19:45] <bencrisford> oh ok
[19:45] <bencrisford> highvoltage: if i apt-get source kdeedu again, will that overwrite my changes?
[19:48] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I believe so
[19:48] <bencrisford> ok ty
[20:17] <bencrisford> highvoltage: on my backup files i found a poster i made for edubuntu a few months ago
[20:18] <bencrisford> the poster is pretty useless, but the slogan-catchphrase thing i think is pretty neat
[20:18] <bencrisford> "Learn to love, and Love to Learn, with Edubuntu..."
[20:35] <highvoltage> bencrisford: cool!
[20:48] <bencrisford> highvoltage: is there a marketing team or anything for edubuntu?  because if not i think thats a major issue to be addressed
[20:48] <bencrisford> we cant get new contributors if no-one knows how much we need them
[20:50] <highvoltage> bencrisford: there was an advocacy team ons for that but it's been dead for a long time
[20:50] <highvoltage> bencrisford: it could do with revival
[20:50] <bencrisford> highvoltage: shall i add it to the agenda for wednesday?
[20:51] <highvoltage> bencrisford: yep, if you have a proposal or idea :)
[20:55] <bencrisford> highvoltage: i added a couple of marketing suggestions ;)
[20:56] <bencrisford> discussion about a team, or re-structuring old one, and maybe joint projects with other teams like the students team
[20:56] <bencrisford> i think there are possibilities there that could be explored
[21:50] <bencrisford> highvoltage: in lucid, qcad doesnt appear in any menus
[21:50] <bencrisford> and needs to be run from terminal unless you manually add it to the menu
[21:50] <bencrisford> what would i change in order to fix this?
[21:56] <bencrisford> is it debian/qcad.menu
[21:56] <highvoltage> bencrisford: sounds right
[21:56] <bencrisford> there is a bit in there saying section="Applications/Science/Engineering"
[21:56] <highvoltage> bencrisford: it probably doesn't get copied to the right directory or there's a problem somewhere in the .desktop file
[21:57] <bencrisford> highvoltage: but could it just be that it wants to be found in the science>engineering section
[21:57] <bencrisford> which doesnt exist..
[21:57] <bencrisford> at least by default anyway
[21:58] <highvoltage> bencrisford: I think it would go into the most top-level section available
[21:59] <bencrisford> science is not a default menu
[21:59] <highvoltage> we have science
[21:59] <bencrisford> highvoltage: we do but it is also a normal ubuntu package
[21:59] <bencrisford> and i cant see it in science
[21:59] <bencrisford> which means you are correct about it being a .desktop file?
[22:03] <bencrisford> highvoltage: i think i may have found something...
[22:04] <bencrisford> http://pastebin.com/F43MWXzr - that is the contents of the desktop file
[22:05] <bencrisford> my gedit highlets the "Graphics" in red
[22:05] <bencrisford> what does this mean?
[22:25] <bencrisford> nixternal: dont suppose you happen to know what the red highlighting shown here means? - http://i44.tinypic.com/5vvyfs.png
[22:33] <bencrisford> highvoltage: did you see my screenie?
[22:33] <bencrisford> http://i44.tinypic.com/5vvyfs.png
[22:34] <bencrisford> then "Graphics" is highlighted red, no-one seems to know what that means, but surely it suggests an error
[22:34] <bencrisford> changing it to "Accessories" gets rid of the highlighting
[22:34] <bencrisford> but reentering graphics makes it come
[22:34] <bencrisford> bak
[22:35] <bencrisford> anyway, i need to go, later ;)
[22:35] <nixternal> bencrisford: for gedit no, for vim that would mean either it is misspelled, or that Graphics isn't a valid category
[22:35] <bencrisford> nixternal: ah ok
[22:36] <bencrisford> as i said to highvoltage, Accessories does not get this highlighting
[22:36] <bencrisford> so it could be that in .desktop files Graphics has a different id?
[22:37] <bencrisford> im off for the night though
[22:37] <highvoltage> bencrisford: no idea, you'll probably find it in the rules for the gedit highlights
[22:37] <highvoltage> ok, goodnight!
[22:37] <bencrisford> highvoltage: geser suggested checking the .desktop specifications
[22:37] <bencrisford> i will do tommorrow
[22:38] <bencrisford> night all