[00:04] <jjesse> doesn't that get switched on when the thing release?
[00:06] <jjesse> otherwise you do do-release-upgrade -d or something like that?
[00:06] <jjesse> in the command line
[00:40] <sgh> Hi !
[00:41] <sgh> Running " strace konsole" from xterm reves me a short by anoying delay in the startup of konsole.  I have no other konsole-instance running. Can anyone confirm ?
[00:41] <sgh> Apparently it was not a problem on a fresh beta1 install
[00:43] <sgh> The delay is in one of the poll ssystem calls on the socket connected to dbus (as far as I can see).
[00:57] <sgh> The same hapenens for dolphin too.
[02:29] <nixternal> hrmm, it looks like ubuntu hardcoded their new pulsating theme into the plymouth package
[02:45] <jjesse> nixternal: what happened to the internet doc
[02:46] <jjesse> trying to double check bug 441496
[02:49] <nixternal> jjesse: web
[02:49] <jjesse> found it, it is located in web
[02:49] <jjesse> and we missed this bug, or at least i did
[02:49] <DarkwingDuck> bug?
[02:50] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: 441496
[02:50] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck:  bug 441496
[02:50] <nixternal> nice, still the wrong info on installing Firefox
[02:50] <DarkwingDuck> You got it or, should I write a patch for it?
[02:50] <jjesse> too late for patches isn't it?
[02:50]  * nixternal looks
[02:51] <nixternal> if you fix it right now I can reupload. The web template hasn't been imported into LP yet
[02:52] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: can you get it otngith?  almost done for the night
[02:52] <DarkwingDuck> I dont have my core doc access yet but I'll email it to you nixternal. Yes jjesse I'll do it now
[02:53]  * jjesse goes back to digging through bugs
[02:54] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck: perfect time to do a bzr diff :)
[02:54] <nixternal> you can bzr diff that bad boy to paste.ubuntu.com
[02:54] <jjesse> DarkwingDuck: can you change the bug status when you send it to nixternal
[02:54]  * nixternal is creating a plymouth theme for kubuntu
[02:54] <nixternal> or at least trying
[02:54] <DarkwingDuck> Yup.
[02:54] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: yes. If you find anything else email me or, ping me the bug #s
[02:54] <nixternal> fuckin' ubuntu hardcoded their theme so i have to create a scratch one
[02:55] <jjesse> bastards
[02:55]  * DarkwingDuck still votes for an "all your base" reference
[02:55] <DarkwingDuck> Either that or a HAL 2000 one
[02:56] <jjesse> i think we got bug #487556 done right?
[02:56] <jjesse> yes we did
[02:56] <jjesse> changing that to fix committed
[02:57] <jjesse> ok i'm out for bed time, will dig through more bugs tomorrow
[02:58] <DarkwingDuck> jjesse: if needed email me or text me with bug numbers if you run out of time. +1-619-381-4216
[03:05] <nixternal> i don't get why people upload broke shit
[03:07] <DarkwingDuck> hmm? nixternal?
[03:11] <nixternal> i can't do a damn thing with plymouth...you use anything but the ubuntu logo one it either freezes or just shows the ubuntu one
[03:20] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: goto www.kde-look.org, find one of those and reverse engineer it.
[03:39] <rgreening> great job lex
[03:40] <rgreening> Riddell: lex is doing a great job thus far. I'll dload and test all the builds prior to us pushing to archive.
[03:48] <DarkwingDuck> Bug 441496 committed. nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/403337/
[03:52] <nixternal> roger that
[03:53] <nixternal> i will get to it in a few
[03:56] <nixternal> OH MY THIS IS HOT!
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: ??
[03:57] <nixternal> you have to wait for it
[03:57] <nixternal> I cannot tell right now, totally top secret
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> ROFL
[03:57] <DarkwingDuck> you have a good theme I guessing?
[03:58] <nixternal> yup
[03:58] <DarkwingDuck> when will it be seen?
[03:59] <nixternal> in a few minutes
[03:59] <DarkwingDuck> I'll wait to update then.
[04:00] <DarkwingDuck> I sent an email out about that error in that playbook
[04:01] <nixternal> heh, gotta figure out how to screenshot this, as virtualbox doesn't do it justice
[04:01] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[04:04] <nixternal> I think it just might be easier to take a picture of my lcd
[04:04] <DarkwingDuck> I still wana see it :D
[04:05] <nixternal> I am going to do it that way
[04:15] <nixternal> http://www.nixternal.com/files/kubuntu-plymouth.png
[04:16] <nixternal> DarkwingDuck, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK ^^ Kubuntu Plymouth theme part 1
[04:16] <DarkwingDuck> ohhhooooooo sexy
[04:19] <maco> nixternal: yay! it has a k!
[04:19] <DarkwingDuck> lol and blue
[04:21]  * maco wonders whats wrong with the denver airport
[04:21]  * DarkwingDuck starts the list...
[04:22] <rgreening> nixternal: I approve. Looks sweet.
[04:22] <rgreening> :)
[04:23] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: +1 from me too
[04:23] <nixternal> that is using the blue from the artwork rebranding proposals, so we can change that if needed...working on a package for it so everyone can play with it too :)
[04:23] <nixternal> bzr export --format=tgz kubuntu-default-settings_10.04ubuntu10.tar.gz lp:kubuntu-default-settings
[04:23] <nixternal> it's coming!!!
[04:24] <DarkwingDuck> ohhhh... artwork challanges
[04:40] <verbalshadow> nixternal: where is the rebranding proposal? and are you using the new font?
[04:40] <maco> verbalshadow: http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-logos.png as sent to kubuntu-devel mailing list
[04:43] <verbalshadow> i like third from the bottom best or the fourth from the top next
[04:44] <ScottK> That's what the next meeting is meant to decide.
[04:45] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone going to UDS in May?
[04:48] <nixternal> verbalshadow: no, we don't have the new font for kubuntu
[04:49] <nixternal> ScottK: stick around, I am going to toss the new kubuntu-default-settings package on REVU for you to take a look at the new plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo package
[04:51] <ScottK> Like I'd know about that.
[04:51] <ScottK> We need Jon the Taco.  It'd look good for his core-dev app.
[04:53] <nixternal> package looks good
[04:53] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: wake up! get ready to revu
[04:53] <nixternal> it is an easy revu
[04:53] <nixternal> i am testing it now and it doesn't work :D
[04:54] <JontheEchidna> lol
[04:54] <nixternal> the same script worked a minute ago, now it can't parse it
[04:55] <nixternal> oh, error opening it
[04:55] <JontheEchidna> So, turns out I get carsick if I try to code in the car :S
[04:57] <ScottK> Dramamine 45 minutes before you get in the car ...
[04:57] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[04:58] <maco> verbalshadow: me too
[04:58] <verbalshadow> ScottK: i think blinders work better
[04:58] <ScottK> Perhaps.
[04:58] <maco> ScottK: thatd just make him fall asleep, wouldnt it?
[04:59] <ScottK> Possibly.  There's two kinds of Dramamine.  Only one makes you sleepy.
[04:59] <crimsun> both act on the receptors that indicate danger and induce nausea as a line of defense
[04:59] <crimsun> so, yes, either would work
[05:00] <nixternal> love typos
[05:00] <DarkwingDuck> ??
[05:00] <nixternal> I had 'kubuntu' instead of 'kubuntu-logo' in the plmouth config file
[05:03] <nixternal> ok, packaging building now, then a new test which it will work this time, and then I will upload it to revu for you JontheEchidna
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: oh, is this a kubuntu plymouth theme package?
[05:03] <nixternal> then you say yes right away and I upload, then ScottK or Riddell can approve it in new, and this week will have our very own plymouth theme for kubuntu \o/
[05:03] <JontheEchidna> neat
[05:04] <nixternal> it actually looks better than the ubuntu one, and it took me all of 2 minutes with gimp
[05:04] <maco> hahaha
[05:04] <JontheEchidna> haha
[05:04] <nixternal> i changed the orange dots to blue of course, whited out the old ubuntu theme, made it glow, created the rgb shit for the top and bottom backgrounds, and we were in business
[05:05] <nixternal> err, whited out the old kubuntu-logo
[05:05] <nixternal> HEELZ YEAH IT WORKED!
[05:05]  * nixternal dputs to revu
[05:06] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo_10.04ubuntu10_amd64.deb  <- amd64 build if you want to check it out
[05:06] <DarkwingDuck> you have an i*86 one?
[05:07] <nixternal> who uses i386 anymore?
[05:07] <nixternal> that is so 1995
[05:07] <nixternal> so windows 95
[05:07] <nixternal> hrmm, honestly this should have been "Architecture: all" but I followed the Ubuntu packaging on it
[05:08] <DarkwingDuck> Or rather, non-64
[05:08] <nixternal> ppc?
[05:08] <nixternal> haha, I can build you one of those, or ScottK can, he has access to my ppc server
[05:11] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8027
[05:11] <nixternal> revu! revu! revu!
[05:11] <nixternal> err
[05:11] <nixternal> approve! approve! approve!
[05:11]  * JontheEchidna dgets
[05:11] <nixternal> it works, it looks good, just say yes already :p
[05:11] <JontheEchidna> :p
[05:12] <nixternal> otherwise I will be the only one with a kubuntu plymouth theme, and you can stick with your aubergine
[05:12] <nixternal> ;p
[05:12] <nixternal> damn yuppies
[05:12] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[05:16] <nixternal> come on, that package doesn't take long to build...i know you are playing with it now...how many times have you rebooted your machine to check it out JontheEchidna? :D
[05:16] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: I'm dpkg -i 'ing it right now
[05:16] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[05:16] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: that should be all I have to do, right?
[05:16] <nixternal> i keep rebooting my desktop, #8 right now....NO.....MORE.....AUBERGINE.....THANK......GOD.......
[05:16] <ScottK> nixternal: They say that time seems to move faster as you get older.
[05:16] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: yes, it does everything else for you
[05:17] <nixternal> ScottK: that is no joke to be honest
[05:17] <JontheEchidna> sweet, brb
[05:17] <ScottK> nixternal: Yeah, I know.
[05:17] <nixternal> little does he know I uploaded the pakage that rm -rf's /*
[05:18] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[05:18] <nixternal> shit, he wanted to try it out so bad that he didn't even /quit IRC first, he just rebooted
[05:18] <nixternal> i swear, i went from 30 to 35 in a year
[05:18] <nixternal> i will be 36 in a few months, not looking forward to that
[05:18] <nixternal> but i still act like a 12 year old, so it is all good
[05:18] <DarkwingDuck> Don't we all
[05:19] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: sweet
[05:19] <JontheEchidna> (to be read in the voice of Eric Cartman)
[05:20] <JontheEchidna> ack'd
[05:20] <nixternal> hahaha
[05:20]  * nixternal uploads
[05:21] <nixternal> UPLOADED!!!!
[05:21] <nixternal> ScottK: can you get it out of new or does Riddell have to do that?
[05:21]  * genii ponders 1:10.04ubuntu10 0 version numbering
[05:21] <nixternal> I would like for him to wake up to a smashing new plymouth theme :D
[05:21] <ScottK> I can do it.  I'll have a look.
[05:21] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: oh, actually there seems to be a tiny artwork problem: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopfs1523-jpg.jpg
[05:21] <nixternal> genii: i did too, but i followed the original path
[05:21] <JontheEchidna> eww, jpeg
[05:21] <JontheEchidna> but the glow around the Kubuntu logo is cut off
[05:22] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: yeah, i just threw that image up there, as hopefully this week we will have a new one anyways
[05:22] <nixternal> i didn't pay attention to my blue size i guess
[05:22] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[05:22] <nixternal> s/blue/blur/
[05:22] <nixternal> fyi, I am not an artist
[05:22] <nixternal> I just know how to use scripts in gimp :)
[05:22] <nixternal> that's why gimp > photoshop
[05:23] <nixternal> gimp makes me look like I know what I am doing
[05:23] <DarkwingDuck> lol
[05:23] <nixternal> seriously
[05:23] <nixternal> I have had artwork in recent Linux distributions
[05:23] <nixternal> and I am no artist
[05:23] <verbalshadow> nixternal: ssh , don't give away the secrets
[05:23] <nixternal> verbalshadow: he has to learn the python gimp script-fu
[05:23] <nixternal> d'oh, i said script-fu
[05:24] <ScottK> Don't see it yet.
[05:24] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: just sed all the colors to blue, throw in a k, and you're golden ;-)
[05:24] <DarkwingDuck> Don't see it yet either
[05:24] <ScottK> It'll just be binary New, right?
[05:24] <nixternal> ScottK: yeah, probably gonna take 2 minutes
[05:24] <nixternal> Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com): Uploading kubuntu-default-settings_10.04ubuntu10.dsc: done. Uploading kubuntu-default-settings_10.04ubuntu10.tar.gz: done.     Uploading kubuntu-default-settings_10.04ubuntu10_source.changes: done.
[05:24] <JontheEchidna> assuming you have svg source
[05:24] <nixternal> Successfully uploaded packages.
[05:24] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: have you seen the new ubuntu theme?
[05:24] <nixternal> it throbs which is hot
[05:24] <nixternal> though throb and hot are 2 words that shouldn't be used in the same sentence
[05:24] <nixternal> unless it is pr0n
[05:25] <JontheEchidna> was about to say ;)
[05:25] <verbalshadow> throbs??
[05:25] <JontheEchidna> haha
[05:25] <nixternal> JontheEchidna: what are you using in that screenshot you took? that isn't qemu
[05:25] <nixternal> xephyr?
[05:25] <JontheEchidna> nixternal: sudo plymouthd; sudo plymouth --show-splash
[05:26] <nixternal> right, but how did you get them to pop up like that?
[05:26] <nixternal> that shit didn't work for me when I tried it, I had to go to tty1 to do it
[05:26] <JontheEchidna> sudo plymouthd; sudo plymouth --show-splash ;-)
[05:26] <JontheEchidna> it just worked (tm)
[05:26] <nixternal> and it just popped up in a window for you?
[05:26] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[05:26] <nixternal> lucky bastard
[05:27] <JontheEchidna> http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopgg1523-jpg.jpg
[05:27] <nixternal> nothing pops up for me
[05:27] <ScottK> There it is.  Hite the buildds.
[05:27] <ScottK> Hite/Hit
[05:28] <nixternal> and then all we have to do is change out kubuntu_logo.png with the new one when it becomes available
[05:28]  * DarkwingDuck is waiting for it
[05:29] <ScottK> DarkwingDuck: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42240459/plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo_10.04ubuntu10_i386.deb
[05:29] <nixternal> i did 'sudo plymouth quit' and it restarted x for me
[05:29] <nixternal> i hate when stuff doesn't work for me dangit
[05:29] <JontheEchidna> lol
[05:30] <JontheEchidna> how helpful of it
[05:30] <DarkwingDuck> ScottK: +1,000,000
[05:30] <ScottK> nixternal: lzma?
[05:30] <nixternal> ScottK: whatever kubuntu-default-settings uses
[05:30] <nixternal> i noticed lzma in %
[05:31] <nixternal> oh, I gotta do this documentation thing
[05:31] <DarkwingDuck> :D
[05:31] <nixternal> what was the paste url again?
[05:31] <nixternal> nevermind
[05:31] <nixternal> gotta love history
[05:31] <DarkwingDuck> http://paste.ubuntu.com/403337/
[05:31] <nixternal> wtf
[05:31] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/403337/
[05:32] <nixternal> I hit "Download as text" on paste.ubuntu.com, and it sent me to the LP Login Service
[05:32] <DarkwingDuck> ubuntu pastebin requires login I guess
[05:37] <ScottK> nixternal: I thought it was supposed to be a divert, not update-alternatives?
[05:42] <nixternal> hell no, no divert
[05:42] <nixternal> we aren't using the current throbber
[05:42] <nixternal> so we didn't need to divert
[05:42] <ScottK> OK.
[05:42] <nixternal> I think steven will fix it in plymouth so everyone can use the throb w/o having to divert
[05:44] <ScottK> We need to seed this bad boy too.
[05:46] <DarkwingDuck> Alright guys, I'm crashing. nixternal any last minute stuff?
[05:47] <ScottK> nixternal: Accept for everything but Sparc.  I'm not waiting the two days it'll take for that to build.
[05:47] <ScottK> Accept/Accepted.
[05:47] <ScottK> Now to the seeds.
[05:48] <DarkwingDuck> night gang
[05:50] <ScottK> nixternal: Seeded too.
[05:50] <nixternal> rock on ScottK
[05:51] <ScottK> Now we need a publisher run before we can update kubuntu-meta to get it on the CD.
[05:51] <nixternal> we will let Riddell do that one :)
[05:51] <ScottK> Depends on my insomnia tonight.
[05:51] <ScottK> It I'm still awake in two hours. I'll do it.
[05:52] <ScottK> It/If
[05:52] <nixternal> gotcha
[05:58] <ScottK> You should look at my commit message for the seed change.
[06:05]  * nixternal looks
[06:05] <nixternal> hahahaha
[06:07] <ScottK> Thought you'd like that.
[06:07] <nixternal> http://nixternal.com/files/song.txt  <- ScottK here is a song I wrote while at the desktop help summit last week...played like the tune "Pants on the ground"
[06:08] <nixternal> we didn't have time, but we were going to go out on the streets of chicago and get people to sing it
[06:09] <ScottK> nixternal: You ought to package up the thing you had with KDE and the buttons on the left.  You could call the theme ubuntu-confused.
[06:09] <nixternal> hahaha
[06:09] <ScottK> In all seriousness, some of our Ubuntu/Kubuntu dual use people might appreciate something like that.
[06:10] <nixternal> I don't know how they could...I am trying to use it, and I minimize when I think I am maximizing...happens at least 95% of the time
[06:10] <ScottK> Once they get used to it, then Kubuntu would seem confusing.  I'm guessing so anyway.
[06:11] <nixternal> options are confusing to them
[06:13] <ScottK> The ironic part is I really don't customize Kubuntu much at all.
[06:17] <nixternal> me either
[06:17] <nixternal> I moved my panel to the top to try out a couple of weeks ago, that's about it
[06:18] <nixternal> and I have a custom wallpaper for one of my desktops
[06:18] <ScottK> I like it on top with plasma netbook.
[06:18] <nixternal> pervert
[06:18] <ScottK> With the netbook application switcher, it makes a lot of sense (I'm ignoring that).
[06:18] <crimsun> I don't customize much of anything beyond the WM used.
[06:18] <nixternal> hahhaa
[06:21] <ScottK> We've got a total of four seven year old girls in the basement for a sleepover tonight.  The last store run for the party preparations was to the liquor store (for me).
[06:21] <maco> i put the panel at the top and replace the wm
[06:21] <maco> sometimes i use a non-default wallpaper
[06:23] <nixternal> I never see my background and theme stuff anyways, so it doesn't matter to me what it looks like
[06:23] <nixternal> yakuake usually take up my entire screen
[06:23] <crimsun> nixternal: yeah, that happens with me, too.
[06:23] <crimsun> (and probably maco)
[06:24] <maco> yep
[06:25] <maco> if i have pictures of a cute boyfriend in picture frame plasmoids i might intentionally go to an empty workspace to look at them though, so then i see my wallpaper
[06:40] <maco> ooh top now says 1.3g for firefox's memory usage
[06:54] <shadeslayer> Mamarok: i hope the packages worked :)
[07:20] <ScottK> nixternal: kubuntu-meta uploaded, so it's done.
[07:20] <ScottK> Should be in the next ISO build.
[11:25] <sgh> Hi!
[11:25] <sgh> Is it possible somewheree in launchpad to see which packages has changed since a specific date? It would ease fighting bugs not present in beta1 but present now.
[13:25] <amichair> JontheEchidna: uh-oh, little bug in notifier
[13:47] <JontheEchidna> amichair: yeah?
[14:22] <amichair> JontheEchidna: after a '3 updates available' notification, I clicked 'review' (or whatever it's labeled), did the update, applied, closed kpk, etc. - but the notification with buttons and all was still there
[14:23] <amichair> JontheEchidna: also, more of a usability thing: the notification icon is gray with no numbers, the tooltip says 3 notification available, and clicking the icon shows an empty 'recent' notification item
[14:24] <amichair> only when it is maximized do u see notification buttons/categories, some of which include only the notification title without the content. I'm not sure if this is a bug, or I'm misunderstanding what's supposed to be shown.
[14:26] <amichair> JontheEchidna: I just did this on a fresh virtualbox install with the daily iso (at the first boot after installation is complete), so should be easy to recreate
[14:27] <JontheEchidna> amichair: update notifications are kpackagekit's doing, for the record
[14:27] <amichair> duly noted ;-)
[14:28] <JontheEchidna> ah, the actual notifier itself will be receiving an overhaul in KDE 4.5, so hopefully the issues will be resolved with the redesign
[14:28] <amichair> but the count/tooltip/click and title with no content notifications seem to be generic
[14:29] <amichair> JontheEchidna: ah, good to know
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> I can't seem to find notmart's blog on the subject though :(
[14:30] <JontheEchidna> amichair: Oh, I also figured out nixternal's crash with kubuntu-notification-helper, but not how to fix it
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> It seems that translated fields can sometimes be "Name-de.UTF-8:" rather than just "Name-de:"
[14:31] <JontheEchidna> I think that because we don't expect the .UTF-8 to be in there, it causes his crash
[14:34] <amichair> JontheEchidna: ah, don't remember that in the spec, but maybe it's just my memory failing...
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> amichair: I think it's considered part of the locale
[14:34] <amichair> if I understand correctly, the fix should be to find that .UTF-8, and if present, convert the string using utf8 :-)
[14:34] <JontheEchidna> so kinda in the spec, but not really explicitly stated that .UTF-8 could happen unless you were a super-localization-expert
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> amichair: I think QString can handle utf-8 just fine, but we're looking for a nonexistant field since we neglect .UTF-8
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> e.g. trying to pull the value of Name-de when there isn't a Name-de field, but rather a Name-de.UTF-8 field
[14:35] <JontheEchidna> ->crash
[14:36] <amichair> oh. then we gotta look for it, u got a link to the spec? just to jog my memory...
[14:36] <JontheEchidna> iirc it's in the Hook class in a comment
[14:42] <JontheEchidna> Since I love you guys so much I'll give you a sneak peak at what I've been wasting my time with this weekend: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktophd1523-jpg.jpg
[14:43] <JontheEchidna> http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ <- If you want to fiddle
[14:49]  * apachelogger cant publish what he wasted his time on this weekend ^^
[14:50] <apachelogger> though I can show you what I wasted my time on 2 weekends ago ;) http://www.student.tugraz.at/harald.sitter/rno/toy-lfsr-mem/ http://www.student.tugraz.at/harald.sitter/rno/toy-lfsr-register/ for http://www.cs.princeton.edu/introcs/xtoy/
[14:51] <apachelogger> where the former is using memory a lot and the latter only uses memory for I/O
[14:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yours seems more useful thugh :D
[14:52] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: implemented on the non-documented libapt stuff?
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: yeah, libapt-pkg is totally undocumented. Though to be honest I ported a lot of the code from synaptic
[14:53] <apachelogger> omg
[14:53] <apachelogger> code stealing :P
[14:53] <JontheEchidna> :P
[14:54] <apachelogger> a lecturer recommended that we do the same for an assignment where part of the work is to implement bas64 encoding/decoding ;)
[14:54] <apachelogger> though the implemention ought to be done in C anyway, so I do not quite understand what difference it would make if I adopt the implemention from someone else or write the 12 sloc myself
[14:54] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[14:55] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: we could get a new minion and tell them to document libapt ^^
[14:56] <JontheEchidna> My thinking is, that if I can get all the libapt-pkg stuff in one nice Qt-ish api and document that, we can have all the power of Qt and Apt at our disposal without all the ugly
[14:57] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: yeah, +++++ on that
[14:58] <amichair> JontheEchidna: it looks like we are correctly looking for the -$language fieldname suffix
[14:58] <amichair> although, we should probably set the stream codec to UTF-8 when reading the hook file
[14:58] <debfx> JontheEchidna: have you had time to test the brightness osd patch?
[14:58] <apachelogger> though if libapt gets shuffled around someone needs to read the code again, because it will still not be documented, if someone goes through the pain and documents all interfaces there is a good chance the apt devs will continue documenting when they change something ;)
[14:59] <JontheEchidna> debfx: oops, sorry. I totally forgot :(
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> debfx: Oh, and thinking about it, I can't test because of bug 500459
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> or at least, not reliably test it
[15:00] <JontheEchidna> Should have thought of that before wasting your time waiting for a review, sorry. :(
[15:02] <shtylman> nixternal: nice phymouth theme
[15:14] <debfx> JontheEchidna: ok, never mind
[15:17] <maco> debfx: point me to it. i'll test when i'm done hanging out with my mom today
[15:18] <nigelb> maco, I'm fixing a KDE bug :D
[15:18] <debfx> maco: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/+merge/21785
[15:19] <amichair> JontheEchidna: btw the spec says explicitly that all i18n fields are in utf8, so specifying it doesn't make sense. but I guess we should be lenient in parsing
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> amichair: yeah, leniency is better than crashing, I always say ;-)
[15:19] <JontheEchidna> actually, I've never said that, but...
[15:20] <amichair> you just did!
[15:20] <JontheEchidna> :P
[15:20] <amichair> too late to take it back!
[15:20] <amichair> so, when the spec says "-$locale", what does it mean? what are legal values?
[15:21] <maco> things like en_US, en_UK, fr, ru, etc
[15:21] <JontheEchidna> this is what my locale is in /etc/default/locale: LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> I think KDE doesn't use the .UTF-8 for it's locale settings, though
[15:22] <amichair> isn't that mixing up locale and language?
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> language is the next field ;-)
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> LANG="en_US.UTF-8"
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> LANGUAGE="en"
[15:22] <JontheEchidna> stange, I know
[15:23] <maco> let choqok run in valgrind overnight. my suspicion of memory leak was *definitely* confirmed
[15:24] <amichair> then both "de" and "de.UTF-8" are valid locales? should the hook file have contained both?
[15:24] <Sput> and then there's fun stuff like de_DE@euro
[15:24] <maco> i think on weather.com, in the spot where you type the location you're looking for, i just typed "weather.com" DOH
[15:27] <amichair> will KGlobal::locale()->language() return all of those? or just "de"?
[15:30] <amichair> JontheEchidna: btw, why does it crash in any case? if it doesn't find the 'name-de.UTF8' field, it will just use 'name' instead, no?
[15:32] <JontheEchidna> amichair: just "de", which KDE uses, iirc
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> amichair: backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/402496/
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> oh, that's actually a list of all nixternal's hooks
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> the bottom one is the troublemaker
[15:33] <JontheEchidna> http://paste.ubuntu.com/402497/ <- backtrace
[15:34] <amichair> Description-zh_TW.UTF-8 is it?
[15:35] <JontheEchidna> one of those localized fields, anyways
[15:36] <JontheEchidna> the dog's whining to go outside, so it looks like I have exercise duty, brb
[15:36] <amichair> JontheEchidna: perhaps the problem is in reading the incorrectly - maybe setting utf8 encoding on the stream in parse()
[15:37] <amichair> that's for the crash part (maybe)
[15:37] <amichair> as for it working correctly, we need to find how to get a full locale string from KLocale
[15:46] <amichair> they have a splitLocale, but I don't see an inverse :-(
[15:46] <amichair> of course, we can always hack around it by just hardcoding a backup search for ".UTF-8"
[15:51] <JontheEchidna> ugly, but better than a crash I suppose
[16:02] <amichair> I don't think that's related
[16:02] <amichair> one problem is the crash, something is obviously messed up in the strings
[16:03] <amichair> the other, once the crash is solved, is to display the correct language and not the default (i.e. not to miss it because of the .UTF-8 extension)
[16:03] <amichair> at least that's how it sounds
[16:19] <amichair> JontheEchidna: btw, did u manage to recreate bug #545927 ? it's quite strange.
[16:20] <JontheEchidna> No, but I think apachelogger might have fixed an l10n bug with software-propeties the other day. Maybe it could be the same one?
[16:21] <apachelogger> I did?
[16:21] <amichair> don't think so,as the code in question doesn't use any of the i18n helper methods
[16:21] <apachelogger> I have but one thing to say
[16:21] <apachelogger> python--
[16:23] <amichair> but it's strange, since the bad line is: text = _("%s updates") % self.distro.id
[16:23] <amichair> and self.distro.id is supposed to be 'Ubuntu'
[16:23] <amichair> yet somehow - can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 0
[16:24] <amichair> how on earth did 0xd0 get there?
[16:24] <apachelogger> it is the python
[16:24] <apachelogger> I tell you
[16:24] <apachelogger> it will be xploding!
[16:24] <apachelogger> kubotu: google gator vs. python
[16:24] <kubotu> Results for gator vs. python: 1. State: Gator vs. python ends in gory draw: http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/06/State/Gator_vs_python_ends_.shtml | 2. Gator-guzzling python comes to messy end - Science- msnbc.com: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9600151/ | 3. Photo in the News: Python Bursts After Eating Gator (Update): http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1006_051006_pythoneatsgator.html
[16:25] <amichair> I think I've seen it before... the horror
[16:26] <Riddell> hi glatzor, have you compiled the new packagekit version?
[16:51] <amichair> JontheEchidna: can u pls remind me how to restart the notifier after a crash?
[16:51] <JontheEchidna> amichair: kded4; kcmshell kcmkded, then from that kcm tick the "Notification Helper" checkbox and hit start
[16:53] <amichair> JontheEchidna: thanks, I'm setting up a dev env, will try to fix it (just need to remember how :-) )
[16:53] <JontheEchidna> no prob
[16:53] <amichair> JontheEchidna: and what kdelibs should I install?
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> I'm not sure I follow
[16:54] <JontheEchidna> normal setup should be fine
[16:54] <amichair> "The program kcmshell is currently not isntalled..."
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> oh
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> amichair: kcmshell4
[16:55] <JontheEchidna> sorry 'bout that
[16:56] <amichair> it suggests kdelibs4c2a, should I go for that?
[16:56] <amichair> I remember needing kdelibs5 for something
[16:56] <JontheEchidna> amichair: I got the command wrong. should be kcmshell4 rather than kcmshell
[16:56] <amichair> ah, nice
[16:57] <amichair> that works ootb
[16:57] <amichair> and the build command had a cmake prefix in it, iirc?
[16:58] <amichair> oh wait, this was all in a readme file somewhere...
[16:58] <amichair> or rather, right here :-)
[16:58] <amichair> sorry for wasting ur time ;-)
[16:59] <nixternal> good morning
[17:00] <amichair> hey nixternal, I'm looking at ur notifier crash - can u pls check what locale/lang ur machine is set to?
[17:01] <nixternal> en_US
[17:01] <amichair> no UTF-8 anywhere?
[17:01] <nixternal> en_US.UTF-8
[17:01] <amichair> ok cool, thanks
[17:12] <amichair> JontheEchidna: still some build problems... what other packages do I need to build? I got cmake, build-essential
[17:13] <JontheEchidna> amichair: sudo apt-get build-dep kubuntu-notification-helper
[17:14] <amichair> JontheEchidna: how convenient!
[17:14] <JontheEchidna> yeah, that command is sweet
[17:38] <DarkwingDuck> nixternal: It just gives me a black screen with the blinking white bar in the upper left
[18:11] <nixternal> ofirk: you have mail
[18:12] <amichair> JontheEchidna: I get the crash also with the test event from the spec... this indeed seems unrelated to utf8
[18:24] <jjesse> nixternal: are we at the point that we can mark all bugs fixed in the lucid kubuntu docs package as fix released?
[18:29] <nixternal> jjesse: did you not get a mass email last night? I uploaded a fixed package that closed out all but like 7
[18:29] <jjesse> hrmm haven't read my bug mail yet
[18:30] <jjesse> yes i did get a mass mail
[18:30] <jjesse> will check my bugs that aren't marked fixed release and should be
[18:31] <nixternal> yeah, i closed out ones i knew were fixed or previously marked Fix Committed
[18:31] <apachelogger_> jtechidna: ping ping, did you look into patching akonadi?
[18:32] <apachelogger_> nixternal: do we haz useful helpcenter already?
[18:33] <nixternal> apachelogger_: there is no such thing as a useful helpcenter w/o rewriting it :p
[18:34] <nixternal> it is as useful as it is going to get for 4.4, maybe that will change for 4.5, but I wouldn't hold my breath
[18:34] <nixternal> ScottK: bug 550282
[18:34] <nixternal> I just LOL'd
[18:34] <jtechidna> apachelogger_: last I remember, you were saying that pastebin haets teh patch0rz
[18:34] <apachelogger_> :(
[18:34] <apachelogger_> jtechidna: I also handed you a propzer patch :P
[18:34] <nixternal> make plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo incompatible with plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo, therefor making it impossible to install one another over the other
[18:35] <jtechidna> orly?
[18:35] <apachelogger_> JontheEchidna: http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/kubuntu_01_fix_init.diff
[18:35] <JontheEchidna> kk
[18:36] <nixternal> propzer? is that a new virus we are putting into Kubuntu?
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> but, as it turns out I can't upload akonadi :(
[18:36] <nixternal> who needs akonadi anyways
[18:36] <JontheEchidna> lol
[18:36] <apachelogger_> OH DEAR
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> need spons0rz
[18:37] <apachelogger_> well
[18:37] <apachelogger_> I cant upload and cant push :P
[18:37] <apachelogger_> one might say I locked myself out ;)
[18:37] <nixternal> sounds like a personal problem
[18:37] <nixternal> what did you do, lose your gpg key and ssh key?
[18:37] <nixternal> and LP password and username
[18:37] <apachelogger_> yes :(
[18:37] <nixternal> did you forget everything we taught you?
[18:38] <apachelogger_> actually I sold all that crap
[18:38] <nixternal> hahaha
[18:38] <apachelogger_> made some 2k
[18:38] <jjesse> that seems like a lot to loose
[18:38] <jjesse> only 2k?
[18:38] <apachelogger_> only?
[18:38] <apachelogger_> that wasnt even 1mib of data
[18:38] <apachelogger_> so
[18:39] <apachelogger_> is it just me or is lucid on intel graphics just slow?
[18:39] <apachelogger_> or is it the netbook thingy that lags the shit out of plasma?
[18:39] <apachelogger_> or am I imagining things?
[18:39] <apachelogger_> *shrug*
[18:39]  * nixternal has intel graphics and it isn't any slower than anything else that has run on this machine
[18:40] <nixternal> though I don't think it is any faster either
[18:40] <apachelogger_> well
[18:40] <apachelogger_> the netbook search and launch or what it is called is so laggy I could go all HCI about it
[18:40] <apachelogger_> then again that beast is as buggy as plasma in general
[18:42] <apachelogger> and that netbook window management stuff makes me wanna cry
[18:42] <nixternal> oh, netbook is whicked slow on my dell mini 10v
[18:42] <apachelogger> *nod*
[18:42] <apachelogger> also for some reason Xorg seems to be constantly using 10-20% of the cpu
[18:42] <nixternal> but so is ubuntu and everything else I have tried on it
[18:42] <nixternal> i am just used to my laptop and desktop which are much faster
[18:43]  * JontheEchidna pbuilds
[18:43] <apachelogger> according to a friend ubuntu's netbook stuff runs somewhat decent on an old eeepc
[18:43] <JontheEchidna> of course everybody knows Arch is just so much faster ;P
[18:43] <apachelogger> whereas on kubuntu at least the netbook ui is crap
[18:43]  * apachelogger will switch to chakra or whatever it is called anyway
[18:43] <apachelogger> first item on my todo: change name
[18:44] <apachelogger> worse than grml's release names
[18:44] <apachelogger> so
[18:44] <JontheEchidna> I'd never switch to Arch or the derivatives, because they don't have dbg packages :(
[18:44] <apachelogger> if kmail's server config stuff was any more inconsitent, unintuitive and crappy I would actually use thunderbird
[18:45] <JontheEchidna> self-compiling crap for dbg purposes == might as well be running Gentoo
[18:45] <apachelogger> at some point this will all be too much and I will have to rant all day long
[18:45] <apachelogger> that is so not good
[18:45] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: but gentoo doesnt have no chakra
[18:45] <larsivi> in lucid, I have akonadi reporting some errors at startup, and the plasma runner widget disappearing after a short while - known bugs, or should I be off to report?
[18:46] <apachelogger> *shrug*
[18:46] <apachelogger> there is a report about one particular error at akonadi startup
[18:46] <apachelogger> course I do not know if that is what you are talking about
[18:47] <apachelogger> ohhhhhh.... and that UI feedback in kmail
[18:47] <larsivi> 'k
[18:47] <apachelogger> larsivi: that said, bad timing on that question
[18:48]  * apachelogger is rather pissed and goes poking some people via kopete
[18:48] <larsivi> apachelogger: bad timing for you to answer? :)
[18:49] <larsivi> apachelogger: did ubuntu fix kde translations yet? ;)
[18:50] <apachelogger> in the name of darth vader!!!!!
[18:50] <apachelogger> that window management in the netbook plasma freaks me out
[18:50] <apachelogger> and that DDoS on freenode too
[18:50] <apachelogger> can we please switch somewhere else?
[18:50] <jjesse> i think netbook plasma takes a lot to get used to
[18:51] <apachelogger> larsivi: dunno, I am going to chakra
[18:51] <apachelogger> jjesse: no
[18:51] <apachelogger> IT IS BROKEN
[18:51] <apachelogger> the bar jumps around like a mad rabbit
[18:51] <apachelogger> by default doesnt even fit the screen
[18:52] <apachelogger> impossible to use without desktop effects
[18:52] <apachelogger> the usage paradigm itself makes totally sense, yes takes getting used to, but makes sense
[18:52] <apachelogger> but the implementation is just broken from what I see
[18:53] <JontheEchidna> Could somebody sponsor http://jmthomas.toniox.org/akonadi_1.3.1-0ubuntu2.dsc ?
[18:54] <apachelogger> ScottK: can we please not label the netbook thingy stable?
[18:56] <apachelogger> oh my
[18:56] <apachelogger> Die Anwendung »dget« ist momentan nicht installiert.  Sie können es durch folgende Eingabe installieren:
[18:56] <apachelogger> \o/
[18:56] <apachelogger> _die_ anwendung -> _es_ installieren
[18:57] <apachelogger> that is so wrong
[18:57] <apachelogger> well
[18:59] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: can we please do something about all that crappyness? :'(
[18:59] <apachelogger> this is way too depressing
[19:00] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: no sprechen sie deustche :(
[19:01] <apachelogger> not just that crappyness
[19:01] <apachelogger> the crappyness all over the place
[19:01] <apachelogger> the broken pim
[19:01] <apachelogger> the borken desktop
[19:01] <apachelogger> the broken translations
[19:01] <apachelogger> the broken network
[19:01] <Squt> apachelogger: if you think pim in 4.4 is broken, try trunk :P
[19:02] <apachelogger> the broken akonadi
[19:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: that akonadi stuff needs more change btw\
[19:02] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: the called script is currently in mysql-server-5.1
[19:02] <JontheEchidna> oh... bleh
[19:03] <apachelogger> so in the long run the stuff needs to be split out into the -core package and in the short akonadi should at least depend on mysql-server-5.1
[19:03] <apachelogger> Squt: the more brokenness the more akonadi the sooner it gets better, right?
[19:03] <apachelogger> at least that was what I got told some time ago
[19:03] <apachelogger> didnt quite work out ;)
[19:03]  * Squt fails to parse that sentence
[19:03]  * Sput too
[19:04] <apachelogger> more akonadi implied less kaddressbook it seems
[19:04] <Sput> well, for me (as a trunk users) it mains less kmail
[19:04] <Sput> or, none
[19:04] <apachelogger> Sput: then at least you do not have to poke around in its horrible config dialogs
[19:04] <Sput> hm, those are a problem?
[19:05] <Sput> the IMAP configuration is more or less usable
[19:05] <Sput> now, if it'd work too, that'd be great
[19:05] <apachelogger> yeah
[19:05] <apachelogger> 5000 buttons from which none is selfexplaining
[19:05] <verbalshadow> I worry about the different db being used in kde
[19:05] <apachelogger> then you go and configure smtp
[19:05] <apachelogger> 1. you cant configure a name, yet it is showing up in the list
[19:05] <apachelogger> 2. buttons are all different
[19:05] <apachelogger> 3. password does nto get autoremembered (imap does - the fuck?)
[19:05] <apachelogger> ...
[19:06] <Sput> it's all very broken
[19:07] <apachelogger> well, if only it was improving :(
[19:07] <Sput> there's tons of commits in kdepim, but it doesn't seem to get better
[19:08] <Sput> now there's talk of not making it in time for 4.5
[19:08] <Sput> so why the hell did they merge it into master already, if it's not nearly usable...
[19:08] <Sput> s/master/trunk/
[19:08] <apachelogger> *sigh*
[19:09] <apachelogger> \o/
[19:09] <apachelogger> if kmail was not crashing I could now read mails
[19:09] <Sput> you could?
[19:10] <Sput> ah, 4.4 :)
[19:10] <apachelogger> considering Kubuntu releases this in one month...
[19:12] <Sput> and then users have to stick with it for, what, 2 years?
[19:13] <JontheEchidna> yeah
 ScottK: can we please not label the netbook thingy stable? <--- What does this mean?
[19:14] <apachelogger> ScottK: that I do not think it is stable enough to call it stable
[19:14] <ScottK> It's pretty stable for me.
[19:14] <apachelogger> if stable == not crashy then yes
[19:14] <nixternal> it is stable here as well
[19:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: Then what do you mean?
[19:15] <nixternal> what crashes are you getting?
[19:15] <apachelogger> ScottK: usable
[19:15] <nixternal> I can fire up and test really quick
[19:15] <ScottK> apachelogger: Oh.  I find it quite usable.  I'm considering switching my laptop to it when I upgrade it to Lucid.
[19:16] <apachelogger> oki
[19:16] <ScottK> It's somewhat different, but that's not by accident.
[19:17] <ScottK> There are some issues that could make it better, but it's pretty much what they set out to create.
[19:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna fixed one of the really annoying ones last week.
[19:20] <neversfelde> are there translations for the netbook edition?
[19:20] <neversfelde> ls
[19:21] <neversfelde> sorry
[19:21] <ScottK> neversfelde: Should be translated the same as desktop.
[19:21] <ScottK> (in Lucid)
[19:21] <ScottK> Karmic, it won't be.
[19:21] <nixternal> hahaha
[19:21] <nixternal> netbook just crashed on me :)
[19:21] <DarkwingDuck> Oh?
[19:21] <neversfelde> mhh, it is all english here
[19:22] <DarkwingDuck> still having trouble with the plymouth theme
[19:25] <nixternal> wow, the openDesktop widget actually works...I just found a shitload of people in my area
[19:25] <nixternal> except nothing shows up in the friends thing
[19:26] <nixternal> and messages is just insane, it takes up way to much space
[19:26]  * DarkwingDuck yells at his laptop
[19:27] <nixternal> i will laugh if your laptops opens up the cdrom tray and smacks you across the face
[19:28] <amichair> JontheEchidna: fixed the crash, is there an open bug in lp to mention in changelog?
[19:28] <DarkwingDuck> LOL
[19:31] <JontheEchidna> amichair: nope, no LP bug
[19:34] <ScottK> apachelogger: According to notmart my biggest netbook usability bug (the panel jumping around when windows change due to the app switcher changing size) is fixed in trunk and he's going to backport it to 4.4.
[19:34] <ScottK> I'll cherry pick that one when I see it.
[19:34] <jjesse> ScottK: how different is kubuntu netbook edition vs the netbook reference platform or whatever it is called?
[19:35] <ScottK> jjesse: The reference is based on KDE trunk, not 4.4.  Within that limitation very little.
[19:39] <Tm_T> ScottK: I see this decision being more of writing up things we already know, not changing anything ( -meeting)
[19:39] <ScottK> Could be.
[19:41] <Tm_T> ScottK: I understand, we should get more of folks around here to get active in ircteam
[19:41] <Tm_T> like, yourself
[19:41] <ScottK> Not really interested.
[19:41] <ScottK> I've got plenty of other ways to volunteer my time.
[19:42] <neversfelde> now netbook edition is german, seems that you have to switch system language and not only add german in systemsettings
[19:42] <Tm_T> then some others
[19:43] <Tm_T> I don't remember to mention everything here too, unfortunately
[19:44] <Tm_T> I actually expect channel maintainers to be in the ML, because there's all the important discussion is
[19:52] <jjesse> how much work is involved in the ircteam?  if not a lot i guess i could do it?
[19:53] <Tm_T> jjesse: it's matter of following ML and stuff and react if there's something that touches us
[19:53] <Tm_T> jjesse: I'm too "in" to notice what interests others
[19:53] <jjesse> Tm_T: if we need more kubunut members i gues i can give it a try for awhile
[19:54] <Tm_T> jjesse: just join the ML, it's not very busy, that should do it mostly
[19:54] <jjesse> Tm_T: ok will do, linky?
[19:54] <Tm_T> ummm, was it ubuntu-irc@ ... one moment have to dig some browser
[19:55] <Tm_T> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/Ubuntu-irc
[19:56] <Tm_T> jjesse: also #ubuntu-irc
[19:59] <Tm_T> jjesse: archives are worth reading
[20:00] <jjesse> ok thanks
[20:04] <Tm_T> jjesse: if you need any help, don't be afraid to ask
[20:04] <jjesse> Tm_T: i won't, joined mailing list, joined channel
[20:05] <Tm_T> jjesse: thanks (:
[20:06] <nixternal> oi oi
[20:19] <ofirk> nixternal: I got it, thanks
[20:27] <sgh_> Hi! Can nyone confirm that "strace -T -e poll konsole" includes a 800 ms delay in one of the poll system-calls
[20:29] <ScottK> sgh_: Using Karmic, the most I got was 0.301916.
[20:30] <sgh_> ScottK: Yeah .... I'm talking latest lucid. It was ok in beta1 but now with current updates is has suddenly rised.
[20:33] <neversfelde> I do not know, what I did there, but the highest is 0.935320 here
[20:34] <sgh_> neversfelde: that is quite long I think.
[20:34] <neversfelde> sgh_: I'll paste the rest of the output
[20:35] <sgh_> neversfelde: my output is here : http://pastebin.com/R2CN3zWR
[20:36] <neversfelde> sgh: http://pastebin.kubuntu-de.org/138
[20:36] <neversfelde> looks quite similiar
[20:36] <sgh> neversfelde: exactly
[20:36] <apacheloggerTwo> I almost didnt find the # on a german keyboard layout :D
[20:36] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: ping
[20:37] <sgh> neversfelde: I have tried the same on a somewhat faster pc, and it did not make much difference.
[20:37] <shtylman> apacheloggerTwo: pong
[20:37] <sgh> neversfelde: I will create a trace of beta1
[20:38] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: I am on latest netbook live - started ubiquity - it is now at first page doing absoluely nothign cpu usage going from 30 to 40 %
[20:38] <shtylman> apacheloggerTwo: thats unfortunate :(
[20:38] <shtylman> I will look into that
[20:38] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: can I debug this somehow
[20:38] <apacheloggerTwo> while i am here
[20:38] <shtylman> um
[20:39] <apacheloggerTwo> with my german kbd layout ÖD
[20:39] <apacheloggerTwo> :D even
[20:39] <shtylman> heh
[20:39] <shtylman> first page being?
[20:39] <shtylman> the intro pagae with language selection?
[20:39] <apacheloggerTwo> aye
[20:39] <shtylman> hmm
[20:40] <shtylman> you could check /var/log/installer/debug
[20:40] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: I could swtch through and see how that changes the situation
[20:40] <shtylman> and see if there is anything that looks like an error
[20:40] <apacheloggerTwo> ScottK, nixternal: btw, dell inspiron mini getting between 15 and 20 % cpu usage from x :(
[20:41] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: only qt ibus stuff
[20:41] <shtylman> hm
[20:41] <apacheloggerTwo> someone should look into that too :/
[20:41] <shtylman> na..I think that is ok
[20:42] <shtylman> I will need to profile the installer again... see where it is spending its time
[20:42] <shtylman> does it progress past the first page at all?
[20:43] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: yep it is progressing to timzone selection
[20:44] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: btw, I find the time zone selection confusing if there is only one
[20:44] <shtylman> so beside the cpu the install goes fine?
[20:44] <ScottK> He didn't get to the user question yet.
[20:44] <shtylman> apacheloggerTwo: only one?
[20:44] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: yeah, just very slow, probably because of the usage
[20:44] <shtylman> I see
[20:44] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: selecing country austria
[20:44] <apacheloggerTwo> austria only got one zone
[20:44] <apacheloggerTwo> so time zone selection offers austria
[20:44] <shtylman> hm
[20:44] <shtylman> strange
[20:45] <shtylman> I wonder if that bug exists in the gtk installer
[20:45] <shtylman> is austria supposed to only have one zone?
[20:45] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: switching from timezone to keyboard took quite a bit
[20:45] <shtylman> I see
[20:46] <apacheloggerTwo> in general UI is incredibly unresponsive
[20:46] <apacheloggerTwo> takes long enough for the UI to notice that I moved the mouse ontop of a botton, so that I notice the UI doesnt notice
[20:46] <shtylman> I thought we had fixed this ... but apparently another problem has surfaced...
[20:46] <apacheloggerTwo> if that makes any sense ÖD
[20:46] <apacheloggerTwo> :D
[20:46] <apacheloggerTwo> well, in general everything takes very long
[20:47] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: not as bad as with the beta1 image though
[20:47] <sgh> neversfelde: this is from a beta1 on another pc. http://pastebin.com/P1diegiy
[20:47] <apacheloggerTwo> there are some weird translations around
[20:47] <neversfelde> sgh: I have no idea about this
[20:48] <shtylman> apacheloggerTwo: k... I will have to check that out... as I knew it .. the cpu stuff was good.. but I guess not
[20:48] <shtylman> we might have another runaway loop somewhere
[20:48] <sgh> neversfelde: Me neither
[20:48] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: does the kde ui share 100% strings with the gtk one
[20:48] <shtylman> apacheloggerTwo: yea
[20:48] <shtylman> except in like 1 or 2 strings
[20:48] <shtylman> but otherwise, yea
[20:48] <apacheloggerTwo> when quitting it asks me whether I want to quit
[20:48] <shtylman> k
[20:48] <sgh> neversfelde: the same thin happenens also for dolphin and systemsettings.
[20:49] <apacheloggerTwo> the button that probablz is supposed to state that I really want to
[20:49] <apacheloggerTwo> is the question again
[20:49] <shtylman> ?
[20:49] <apacheloggerTwo> argh
[20:49] <apacheloggerTwo> sec
[20:50] <apacheloggerTwo> qwerty
[20:50] <apacheloggerTwo> yay
[20:50] <apacheloggerTwo> sensible kbd layout :D
[20:50] <shtylman> heh
[20:51] <apacheloggerTwo> hm
[20:51] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: at start I get placeholders in the strings
[20:51] <shtylman> ahh yes
[20:51] <apacheloggerTwo> maybe UI showing should be delayed or something
[20:51] <shtylman> apacheloggerTwo: that is a bug... I need to fix that
[20:51] <apacheloggerTwo> looks weird :D
[20:52] <shtylman> apacheloggerTwo: bug: 540202
[20:52] <shtylman> #540202
[20:53] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: http://imagebin.ca/upload.php
[20:53] <shtylman> ?
[20:53] <apacheloggerTwo> despite it being german ... I doubt a button with a question mark doesnt give the right hint
[20:54] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: left most button says "Quit installation?"
[20:54] <shtylman> I think you pasted the wrong link :)
[20:54] <apacheloggerTwo> oh
[20:54] <shtylman> but yea... I get what you mean
[20:54] <apacheloggerTwo> http://imagebin.ca/view/xwM5Gi7.html
[20:54] <shtylman> thats a bug against the translation
[20:55] <shtylman> not sure if the english version has a ? as well
[20:55] <shtylman> but that would be a bug there too imho
[20:56] <apacheloggerTwo> if only I could switch to english
[20:56] <apacheloggerTwo> oh
[20:56] <apacheloggerTwo> I can ^^
[20:57] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: also that dialog does not look like a kdialog, while I do think it should be a kdialog for consistency reasons :)
[20:57] <shtylman> apacheloggerTwo: k.. I will try to see if I can make it a kdialog :)
[20:57] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: that question mark business is a bug in english too
[20:57] <shtylman> yea... I figured
[20:59] <shtylman> apacheloggerTwo: can you file a bug fir the should be kdialog thing :) will give me a reason to change the ui
[20:59] <shtylman> this late in the cycle
[20:59] <apacheloggerTwo> if launchpad would let me login :/
[20:59] <shtylman> and go ahead and assign it to me :)
[20:59] <shtylman> haha nice
[21:00] <apacheloggerTwo> ah, third time is a charm :D
[21:02] <amichair> JontheEchidna: there's a Reese's peanut butter cup waiting for u at lp:~amichai2/kubuntu-notification-helper/fixes
[21:04] <apparle> has the bootscreen been modified in kubuntu
[21:04] <apparle> Imean lucid
[21:05] <apacheloggerTwo> ScottK: dont know if that is related to the resize bug, which btw is a showstopper, but at least on first start stuff in the panel is overlapping
[21:05] <amichair> apparle: yes, and it's still not finished
[21:05] <apacheloggerTwo> ScottK: new desktop files do not get added to the search & start thingy
[21:06] <apparle> amichair: is it there in beta
[21:06] <apacheloggerTwo> also it does not update shown desktop files
[21:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: They do on restart.
[21:06] <apacheloggerTwo> which for example means that after running the firefox installer the entry will still say browser installer et all
[21:06] <amichair> apacheloggerTwo: I'm not sure, but if you're seeing 'ubuntu', or text-mode stuff, etc. - then yes.
[21:06] <amichair> oops
[21:07] <amichair> apparle: I'm not sure, but if you're seeing 'ubuntu', or text-mode stuff, etc. - then yes.
[21:07] <amichair> apacheloggerTwo: (sorry, someone took ur autocomplete prefix :-P)
[21:07] <apacheloggerTwo> as mad as sparta :P
[21:08] <apacheloggerTwo> amichair: happens to me all the time though ;)
[21:08] <apacheloggerTwo> so no worries
[21:08] <apparle> amichair: I have not tried beta yet.... but I was asking becoz in the old one... the computer used to take about 15 sec more to boot if the "quiet splash" was not removed in the grub
[21:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: You can join #plasma-netbook and give feedback direct to upstream.
[21:08] <amichair> apacheloggerTwo: yeah, like that apacheloggerOne dude... what's up with him?
[21:08] <apacheloggerTwo> ScottK: wanna compile a list first
[21:08] <ScottK> Right.
[21:09] <apacheloggerTwo> actually one should conduct a HE on that thing :P
[21:10] <apacheloggerTwo> its small things, but they make it very diffcult to use
[21:10] <apacheloggerTwo> like that not updating of desktop files
[21:10] <apacheloggerTwo> that is a major issue to regular folks I imagine
[21:11]  * amichair wonders how much of his long KNR preview usability rant was fixed since then...
[21:12] <maco> apacheloggerTwo: conduct a HE?
[21:13] <apacheloggerTwo> a heuristic evaluation
[21:13] <apacheloggerTwo> I suppose that is the fancy name one uses ^^
[21:13] <apacheloggerTwo> amichair: might be worth revisiting and poking upstream with that too
[21:14] <amichair> apacheloggerTwo: sure thing. I opened bugs in kde for everything, but poking never hurts. unless it's with an icepick.
[21:15] <JontheEchidna> amichair: :D
[21:16] <apacheloggerTwo> lol
[21:16] <apacheloggerTwo> shtylman: bug 550466 and bug 550472
[21:17] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Any idea how plasma-desktop updates for new desktop files?
[21:17] <ScottK> Maybe you could push the for netbook like you did the startup thing?
[21:17] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: like when you install new plasmoids?
[21:17] <apacheloggerTwo> JontheEchidna: no in the menu
[21:18] <apacheloggerTwo> I think the search and start thingy would need to attach to a signal emitted by ksycoca or something
[21:18] <shtylman> apacheloggerTwo: thanks
[21:18] <JontheEchidna> dunno. My previous fix was made because I just so happened to have implemented a Plasma::Wallpaper and knew how that sorta thing works
[21:18] <apacheloggerTwo> ScottK: do you want a different plasmoid setup?
[21:19] <apacheloggerTwo> ScottK: also, the netbook image came up with focus on the plasmoids and not the starter
[21:19] <ScottK> apachelogger: I didn't look at it lately.
[21:19] <ScottK> Probably
[21:19] <apacheloggerTwo> so I had to search for the installer :)
[21:20] <ScottK> I thought that got fixed.
[21:20]  * ScottK looks at shtylman.
[21:20] <apacheloggerTwo> well, IMHO we should just stick an installer plasmoid on the page
[21:20] <apacheloggerTwo> probably also looks better than focuson the starter :)
[21:21] <ScottK> Before it was in favorites on the search and launch page.
[21:21] <apacheloggerTwo> it still is
[21:21] <ScottK> It's supposed to start on search and launch now.
[21:21] <apacheloggerTwo> that doesnt happen
[21:21] <ScottK> So if it does, that should be fine.
[21:21] <ScottK> OK.  That's the thing to fix then.
[21:21]  * ScottK thought Riddell told him that was done.
[21:22] <apacheloggerTwo> I would still opt for throwing it on the plasmoid screen and leave the focus there ;)
[21:22] <apacheloggerTwo> uh, there is a problem
[21:23] <apacheloggerTwo> ScottK: I cant shutdown or reboot :S .. the appropriate widget is overlapped by the clock
[21:23]  * apacheloggerTwo is locked in ^^
[21:23] <ScottK> Touching the power button should do it.
[21:24] <amichair> JontheEchidna: as for bug #545927, if u figure out how to recreate it, I'd be happy to fix.
[21:31] <sgh> Riddell: Where can I get  kdelibs5_4.4.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb
[21:32] <apachelogger> ScottK: like in the old days :)
[21:33] <apachelogger> amichair: just install russian and run sp in russian
[21:33] <ryanakca> rgreening: Is 4.4.2 done or do you still have things that need doing?
[21:33] <apachelogger> amichair: that should get you there I suppose
[21:33] <apachelogger> oh we are already at 4.4.2?
[21:34] <amichair> apachelogger: that's what I've been trying to do... first got a few ubiquity crashes, not languages don't install (freezes) :-(
[21:34] <sgh> Riddell: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/550000 is problably related to the build dependency bum in ubuntu2. ubuntu1 does not have the slowdown.
[21:34] <apachelogger> amichair: you dont have lucid yet?
[21:35] <amichair> apachelogger: my desktop is running servers and stuff, so I try to keep it stable and minimize restarts etc. I do the dirtier dev work on virtualbox.
[21:36] <apachelogger> ah
[21:36] <apachelogger> amichair: well if you have a lucid vm then just install the russian lang packs ;)
[21:36] <amichair> but I can't get a lucid to install with languages. neither from ubiquity (crash) nor system settings (freeze).
[21:38] <apachelogger> sgh: the change from ubuntu1 to ubuntu2 was reverted in ubuntu3 so ubuntu3 == ubuntu1
[21:38] <apachelogger> amichair: you know what I always do in situations like this?
[21:38] <apachelogger> python-- :P
[21:38] <apachelogger> kubotu: karma python
[21:39] <kubotu> karma for python: -1
[21:39] <apachelogger> now that is not that bad
[21:39] <apachelogger> kubotu: karma c
[21:39] <kubotu> karma for c: 238
[21:39] <apachelogger> <3 c
[21:39] <amichair> lol
[21:39] <Tm_T> kubotu: karma tm_t
[21:39] <kubotu> tm_t has neutral karma
[21:39] <Tm_T> ...
[21:39] <apachelogger> Tm_T--
[21:39] <apachelogger> oh that reminds me on back in the days in #amarok ^^
[21:39] <Tm_T> indeed
[21:39]  * apachelogger did worry a lot less back then :(
[21:39] <Tm_T> no more -300 or anything ):
[21:40] <apachelogger> ^^
[21:40] <Tm_T> apachelogger: me too, too much * these days
[21:40] <apachelogger> well
[21:40]  * apachelogger opens a bottle of wine
[21:40] <sgh> apachelogger: does not seem like is based on /usr/share/doc/kdelibs5/changelog.Debian.gz
[21:41] <apachelogger> ohhh
[21:41] <apachelogger> sgh: why is that reported against kdebase if the bug is in kdelibs? :P
[21:42] <apachelogger> oh damn, forgot to check something on the live image -.-
[21:42] <sgh> apachelogger: oh year ..... will change that. I know more now than when I reported the bug ..... thanks for noticing.
[21:43] <apachelogger> neversfelde: ping
[21:43] <neversfelde> apachelogger: pong
[21:43] <apachelogger> neversfelde: KDE 4.4.2 is up?
[21:43] <sgh> apachelogger: do you know how to change the "affects" to kdelibs5 ?
[21:44] <apachelogger> sgh: alraedy did ... you would change to kde4libs
[21:44] <apachelogger> there is a button left of the bar that shows the package
[21:44] <apachelogger> well, not in my konqueror
[21:44] <apachelogger> BUT IN THEORY ^^
[21:44] <sgh> apachelogger: heh heh .....
[21:44] <neversfelde> apachelogger: no, it is not finished, yet. kdegraphics, kdeedu and kdemultimedia missing. kdebindings FTBFS. lex79 knows more, I think
[21:45] <apachelogger> neversfelde: well, I cant help, but please prevent whoever uploads 4.4.2 to lucid does not upload l10n
[21:46] <apachelogger> I am going to roll the l10n packages from the new packaging branch I created
[21:46] <sgh> apachelogger: the button is there.... but invisible .... :D
[21:46] <neversfelde> apachelogger: just returned from a vacation, so I am not up to date, but I think rgreening coordinates this release
[21:47] <apachelogger> sgh: well, see, it is there, you just didn't see it :P
[21:47] <apachelogger> not konqueror's fault :P
[21:47] <apachelogger> anyhow
[21:47] <apachelogger> sgh: I do not see how the presented changes could cause such a problem
[21:47] <apachelogger> rgreening: pingy
[21:48] <sgh> apachelogger: no nut upgrading kdelibs on the livecd makes the problem appear
[21:48] <apachelogger> no nut upgrading?
[21:48] <sgh> apachelogger: also downgrading to kdelibs5 4.4.1 ubuntu1 makes the problem go away on my local installation. I'm missing kdelibs5_4.4.1-0ubuntu2_amd64.deb to be sure .
[21:49] <apachelogger> sgh: so the problem could also be in ubuntu3?
[21:49] <sgh> apachelogger: sorry .... Upgrading to kdelibs5 4.4.1 ubuntu3
[21:49] <apachelogger> that is something to work with
[21:49] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I mentioned it here [22:45:46] <apachelogger> neversfelde: well, I cant help, but please prevent whoever uploads 4.4.2 to lucid does not upload l10n
[21:49] <neversfelde> [22:46:02] <apachelogger> I am going to roll the l10n packages from the new packaging branch I created
[21:49] <neversfelde> sorry
[21:49] <apachelogger> also those changes look much more like hey could cause this
[21:50] <neversfelde> https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Ninjas/Packaging#preview
[21:50] <sgh> apachelogger: the problem is definetly in ubuntu3. It is not in ubuntu1. Now I need a ubuntu2 deb to try out,
[21:50] <apachelogger> sgh: https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kde4libs/4:4.4.1-0ubuntu2/+build/1555001
[21:50] <apachelogger> at the bottom you can find the ubuntu2 debs
[21:50] <amichair> the website looks messed up on a small screen (e.g. vm) - and that's what the release notes on ubiquity's welcome page points to
[21:50] <sgh> apachelogger: thanks .... will try it out.
[21:51] <apachelogger> neversfelde: thx
[21:51] <ryanakca> amichair: as in http://www.kubuntu.org ?
[21:52] <amichair> ryanakca: I believe so. the hammer gets wrapped over, and the content remains off the screen to the right (but one can't scroll it either). In konqueror, at least.
[21:52] <sgh> apachelogger: ubuntu2 has the issue too. So it must be the libdbusmenu change in ubuntu2 that messed it up.
[21:53] <apachelogger> I really dont see how :(
[21:53] <sgh> apachelogger: how do I find the bzr branch for kde4libs ?
[21:53] <apachelogger> konsole/systemsettings/dolphin should not use the dbus class
[21:53] <apachelogger> sgh: lp:~kubuntu-members/kdelibs/ubuntu
[21:53] <sgh> apachelogger: thanks...
[21:54] <sgh> apachelogger: how does it relate to lp:ubuntu/kde4libs ?
[21:54] <apachelogger> sgh: that is the merged branch, we work on packaging-only branch
[21:54] <apachelogger> so the kubuntu-members only contains the debian dir
[21:55] <amichair> ryanakca: I noticed this when popping a livecd image into a fresh virtualbox, opening ubiquity from the desktop, and clicking 'release notes'. the default appearance makes for a bad impression.
[21:55] <ryanakca> amichair: OK
[21:56] <sgh> apachelogger: ok ...
[22:05] <rgreening> ping apachelogger
[22:05] <apachelogger> rgreening: you are coordinating 4.4.2 packaging?
[22:05] <rgreening> apachelogger: ya, and Riddell told me about the translation stuff for you
[22:05] <rgreening> :)
[22:05] <apachelogger> ok :)
[22:05] <apachelogger> thx :)
[22:06] <rgreening> np. Ill make sure its left for ya :P
[22:06]  * apachelogger needs to get some karma ;) ;) ;)
[22:07] <rgreening> lol
[22:08] <apachelogger> meh, linkedin doesnt like my isp
[22:08] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: you'll look into those mysql packaging changes for akonadi?
[22:08] <DarkwingDuck> ARRRG. Every friggen tutorial out there for tablets is for gnome.
[22:10] <apachelogger> ...if I had a tablet... :P
[22:11]  * apachelogger thinks we should switch off apport in dev cycles
[22:12] <DarkwingDuck> apachelogger: I'm logging everything that I'm doing and *hopfully* build an installer for KDE for all of this stuff I'm doing.
[22:12] <DarkwingDuck> It's kinda annoying doing everything from scratch
[22:13] <apachelogger> :/
[22:14] <DarkwingDuck> not to mention I'm not a programmer just a doc guy and I'm slightly confused on the backend of all of this... But I'm learning by smashing my head into walls till I figure it out
[22:15] <DarkwingDuck> kcm tablet is ok for setting up the tablet settings but, for buttons on the screen and the rotation is buggering
[22:19] <maco> any kaddressbook users who use lucid around?
[22:20] <maco> ever have where clicking on a name in your address book doesnt display its info in the far-right pane and double clicking it shows all blank--even though the .vcf associated with address book is full of info and it is displaying the name/image in the list just fine (but not in the edit view)?
[22:32] <sgh> apachelogger: hmm ... bzr bd fails to get tarball "Trying to run get-orig-source rule failed". Any hints ?
[22:33] <apachelogger> sgh: the branch probably already expects 4.4.2
[22:34] <apachelogger> so you need to roll back to a the last revision featuring 4.4.1
[22:35] <sgh> apachelogger: ok .... how do I checkout a specific version with bzr ?
[22:35] <apachelogger> bzr help checkout ;)
[22:35] <sgh> apachelogger: heh heh rtfm ...
[22:36] <apachelogger> sgh: well, I dont know either, so either I go read bzr help checkout or you do it :P
[22:36] <apachelogger> so yes
[22:36] <apachelogger> RTFM
[22:36] <apachelogger> GDI
[22:36] <apachelogger> :P
[22:37] <sgh> :D ....
[22:42] <sgh> apachelogger: damn .... I don't get how it figures out it hass to fetch 4.4.2
[22:42] <apachelogger> sgh: via the changelog
[22:43] <sgh> apachelogger: realy . .... thanks ... knifty.
[22:44] <DarkwingDuck> Note to self... plasma-netbook HATES screen rotation
[23:12]  * apachelogger takes Nightrose for a dance
[23:13]  * Nightrose dances through the channel with apachelogger
[23:13] <neversfelde> rock it
[23:13] <apachelogger> Nightrose: dont you also think that this channel is way too unsocial?
[23:14] <Nightrose> totally
[23:14] <apachelogger> way too much focused on producitivy
[23:14] <apachelogger> no fun at all
[23:14] <Nightrose> we need some lounge chairs
[23:14] <Nightrose> and drinks
[23:14] <Nightrose> and music
[23:14] <apachelogger> kubotu: quit
[23:15] <apachelogger> kubotu: hi
[23:15] <apachelogger> kubotu: order lounge chairs
[23:15] <apachelogger> kubotu: order drinks
[23:15] <apachelogger> kubotu: order music
[23:15]  * apachelogger thinks that the whole order plugin needs to be done in assembly language ;)
[23:15] <kubotu> sup, apachelogger :)
[23:15]  * kubotu slides lounge chairs down the bar to apachelogger
[23:15]  * kubotu slides drinks down the bar to apachelogger
[23:15]  * kubotu slides music down the bar to apachelogger
[23:15] <apachelogger> neversfelde: how was vacation btw?
[23:16] <neversfelde> apachelogger: Stau everywhere :)
[23:16] <apachelogger> uh :D
[23:16] <apachelogger> where did you go?
[23:16] <neversfelde> apachelogger: I visited my parents in Holstein
[23:17] <apachelogger> oh, quite the distance
[23:18] <apachelogger> neversfelde: I hope you enjoyed the visit :)
[23:18]  * Riddell puts himself into a lounge chair
[23:18] <neversfelde> apachelogger: the dog ate my Kubuntu CD, otherwise it was nice :)
[23:18] <apachelogger> nothing is more important than a well rested dev ... hence I am so useless ;)
[23:18] <apachelogger> neversfelde: lol :D
[23:19] <apachelogger> one might assume that if all fails we can still opt to sell Kubuntu as dog food :P
[23:19] <neversfelde> hehe
[23:19] <apachelogger> Riddell: hai!
[23:19] <Riddell> apachelogger: hailte
[23:20] <neversfelde> he would also eat Fedora and Suse I suppose
[23:20] <apachelogger> well, they do not know that, do they? ;)
[23:21] <neversfelde> time to sleep, gn8
[23:21] <apachelogger> nini neversfelde
[23:23]  * apachelogger needs to go to some social interaction lecture ^^
[23:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: how is life in the north?
[23:24] <apachelogger> Nightrose: I suppose we also need candle light
[23:24] <Riddell> I am now a qualified Advanced Whitewater Safety and Rescue person
[23:24] <Riddell> if you get stuck in a waterfall, I'm here to help
[23:24] <apachelogger> Oo
[23:24] <shtylman> nice :)
[23:24]  * apachelogger must google that
[23:25] <Nightrose> Riddell: !!!
[23:25] <Nightrose> sounds exciting :D
[23:25] <Nightrose> apachelogger: yes - candles are a must
[23:25] <apachelogger> Riddell: cool, congrats
[23:25] <nixternal> we need a qualified "Kick the design team in the ass already on the font" person
[23:25] <Riddell> exciting, but cold, rivers are mostly snowmelt currently and swimming in them is not warm
[23:26] <nixternal> yeah, if you were to fall in the water today around here, I will call for help
[23:26] <apachelogger> brrr, cold rivers
[23:27] <apachelogger> no saving for me, I'll stay inside and dance with Nightrose ^^
[23:27] <Nightrose> good choice i must say ;-)
[23:27]  * apachelogger notes that Nightrose is always the right choice :)
[23:27] <Nightrose> awwww :D
[23:31] <apachelogger> well, you know, nixternal doesn't like me enough to dance with me, and Riddell must save people stuck in a waterfall, so the only option left is Nightrose
[23:31] <apachelogger> sad but true :P
[23:31] <Nightrose> haha
[23:32] <apachelogger> maybe shtylman could bribed, since I have reported two bugs today
[23:32]  * apachelogger never gets beyond one report/day usuallay ;)
[23:32] <shtylman> heh
[23:36]  * claydoh would offer to dance with apachelogger but does not want to embarass him with claydoh's awful moves
[23:36] <claydoh> ie he hasn't got any
[23:37] <nixternal> apachelogger: you're right, I don't like you, I wuv you
[23:38] <apachelogger> if quassel had kde emoticon support I would make a heart using <3 now, but it does not :P
[23:38] <apachelogger> Sput: thanks for nothing :P
[23:38] <apachelogger> :P
[23:38]  * apachelogger lets Nightrose rest a bit and takes claydoh to teach him some moves
[23:38] <claydoh> weee
[23:39] <claydoh> last time I busted a move was 1985, no joke
[23:39] <apachelogger> claydoh: how come?
[23:40] <claydoh> I suck, and I just never could get into it - extreme shyness and missing self-confidence
[23:41] <claydoh> nowadays it is my shear girth that keeps me from making a fool of myself :)
[23:41] <claydoh> and I married a non-dancer as well :)
[23:42] <apachelogger> claydoh: that explains it then :)
[23:42]  * apachelogger is also not very good at dancing
[23:42] <apachelogger> but it is fun :D
[23:42] <apachelogger> kubotu: translate en de girth
[23:42] <kubotu> worldlingo failed to provide a translation
[23:42] <apachelogger> omg!
[23:43] <claydoh> girth = width, or thickness
[23:43] <claydoh> ie im a fatty :)
[23:44] <apachelogger> ah :)
[23:44] <apachelogger> that is no excuse :P
[23:44] <claydoh> no, it isn't most of the time. my mother was quite big, and was a great dancer
[23:47] <apachelogger> that said, I am now down 40 kg in 14 months
[23:56] <apachelogger> george michael got a new lover!
[23:56] <apachelogger> omg