[00:04] doesn't that get switched on when the thing release? [00:06] otherwise you do do-release-upgrade -d or something like that? [00:06] in the command line [00:40] Hi ! [00:41] Running " strace konsole" from xterm reves me a short by anoying delay in the startup of konsole. I have no other konsole-instance running. Can anyone confirm ? [00:41] Apparently it was not a problem on a fresh beta1 install [00:43] The delay is in one of the poll ssystem calls on the socket connected to dbus (as far as I can see). [00:57] The same hapenens for dolphin too. [02:29] hrmm, it looks like ubuntu hardcoded their new pulsating theme into the plymouth package [02:45] nixternal: what happened to the internet doc [02:46] trying to double check bug 441496 [02:46] Launchpad bug 441496 in kubuntu-docs "Outdated instructions to install Firefox in Kubuntu Karmic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441496 [02:49] jjesse: web [02:49] found it, it is located in web [02:49] and we missed this bug, or at least i did [02:49] bug? [02:50] DarkwingDuck: 441496 [02:50] DarkwingDuck: bug 441496 [02:50] Launchpad bug 441496 in kubuntu-docs "Outdated instructions to install Firefox in Kubuntu Karmic" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441496 [02:50] nice, still the wrong info on installing Firefox [02:50] You got it or, should I write a patch for it? [02:50] too late for patches isn't it? [02:50] * nixternal looks [02:51] if you fix it right now I can reupload. The web template hasn't been imported into LP yet [02:52] DarkwingDuck: can you get it otngith? almost done for the night [02:52] I dont have my core doc access yet but I'll email it to you nixternal. Yes jjesse I'll do it now [02:53] * jjesse goes back to digging through bugs [02:54] DarkwingDuck: perfect time to do a bzr diff :) [02:54] you can bzr diff that bad boy to paste.ubuntu.com [02:54] DarkwingDuck: can you change the bug status when you send it to nixternal [02:54] * nixternal is creating a plymouth theme for kubuntu [02:54] or at least trying [02:54] Yup. [02:54] jjesse: yes. If you find anything else email me or, ping me the bug #s [02:54] fuckin' ubuntu hardcoded their theme so i have to create a scratch one [02:55] bastards [02:55] * DarkwingDuck still votes for an "all your base" reference [02:55] Either that or a HAL 2000 one [02:56] i think we got bug #487556 done right? [02:56] Launchpad bug 487556 in kubuntu-docs "In games: Kmenu and Adept are no longer present in KDE" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/487556 [02:56] yes we did [02:56] changing that to fix committed [02:57] ok i'm out for bed time, will dig through more bugs tomorrow [02:58] jjesse: if needed email me or text me with bug numbers if you run out of time. +1-619-381-4216 [03:05] i don't get why people upload broke shit [03:07] hmm? nixternal? [03:11] i can't do a damn thing with plymouth...you use anything but the ubuntu logo one it either freezes or just shows the ubuntu one [03:20] nixternal: goto www.kde-look.org, find one of those and reverse engineer it. [03:39] great job lex [03:40] Riddell: lex is doing a great job thus far. I'll dload and test all the builds prior to us pushing to archive. [03:48] Bug 441496 committed. nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/403337/ [03:48] Launchpad bug 441496 in kubuntu-docs "Outdated instructions to install Firefox in Kubuntu Karmic" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/441496 [03:52] roger that [03:53] i will get to it in a few [03:56] OH MY THIS IS HOT! [03:57] nixternal: ?? [03:57] you have to wait for it [03:57] I cannot tell right now, totally top secret [03:57] ROFL [03:57] you have a good theme I guessing? [03:58] yup [03:58] when will it be seen? [03:59] in a few minutes [03:59] I'll wait to update then. [04:00] I sent an email out about that error in that playbook [04:01] heh, gotta figure out how to screenshot this, as virtualbox doesn't do it justice [04:01] lol [04:04] I think it just might be easier to take a picture of my lcd [04:04] I still wana see it :D [04:05] I am going to do it that way [04:15] http://www.nixternal.com/files/kubuntu-plymouth.png [04:16] DarkwingDuck, rgreening, Riddell, ScottK ^^ Kubuntu Plymouth theme part 1 [04:16] ohhhooooooo sexy [04:19] nixternal: yay! it has a k! [04:19] lol and blue [04:21] * maco wonders whats wrong with the denver airport [04:21] * DarkwingDuck starts the list... [04:22] nixternal: I approve. Looks sweet. [04:22] :) [04:23] nixternal: +1 from me too [04:23] that is using the blue from the artwork rebranding proposals, so we can change that if needed...working on a package for it so everyone can play with it too :) [04:23] bzr export --format=tgz kubuntu-default-settings_10.04ubuntu10.tar.gz lp:kubuntu-default-settings [04:23] it's coming!!! [04:24] ohhhh... artwork challanges [04:40] nixternal: where is the rebranding proposal? and are you using the new font? [04:40] verbalshadow: http://jasmine.19inch.net/~jr/tmp/kubuntu-logos.png as sent to kubuntu-devel mailing list [04:43] i like third from the bottom best or the fourth from the top next [04:44] That's what the next meeting is meant to decide. [04:45] Anyone going to UDS in May? [04:48] verbalshadow: no, we don't have the new font for kubuntu [04:49] ScottK: stick around, I am going to toss the new kubuntu-default-settings package on REVU for you to take a look at the new plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo package [04:51] Like I'd know about that. [04:51] We need Jon the Taco. It'd look good for his core-dev app. [04:53] package looks good [04:53] JontheEchidna: wake up! get ready to revu [04:53] it is an easy revu [04:53] i am testing it now and it doesn't work :D [04:54] lol [04:54] the same script worked a minute ago, now it can't parse it [04:55] oh, error opening it [04:55] So, turns out I get carsick if I try to code in the car :S [04:57] Dramamine 45 minutes before you get in the car ... [04:57] :D [04:58] verbalshadow: me too [04:58] ScottK: i think blinders work better [04:58] Perhaps. [04:58] ScottK: thatd just make him fall asleep, wouldnt it? [04:59] Possibly. There's two kinds of Dramamine. Only one makes you sleepy. [04:59] both act on the receptors that indicate danger and induce nausea as a line of defense [04:59] so, yes, either would work [05:00] love typos [05:00] ?? [05:00] I had 'kubuntu' instead of 'kubuntu-logo' in the plmouth config file [05:03] ok, packaging building now, then a new test which it will work this time, and then I will upload it to revu for you JontheEchidna [05:03] nixternal: oh, is this a kubuntu plymouth theme package? [05:03] then you say yes right away and I upload, then ScottK or Riddell can approve it in new, and this week will have our very own plymouth theme for kubuntu \o/ [05:03] neat [05:04] it actually looks better than the ubuntu one, and it took me all of 2 minutes with gimp [05:04] hahaha [05:04] haha [05:04] i changed the orange dots to blue of course, whited out the old ubuntu theme, made it glow, created the rgb shit for the top and bottom backgrounds, and we were in business [05:05] err, whited out the old kubuntu-logo [05:05] HEELZ YEAH IT WORKED! [05:05] * nixternal dputs to revu [05:06] http://nixternal.com/files/plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo_10.04ubuntu10_amd64.deb <- amd64 build if you want to check it out [05:06] you have an i*86 one? [05:07] who uses i386 anymore? [05:07] that is so 1995 [05:07] so windows 95 [05:07] hrmm, honestly this should have been "Architecture: all" but I followed the Ubuntu packaging on it [05:08] Or rather, non-64 [05:08] ppc? [05:08] haha, I can build you one of those, or ScottK can, he has access to my ppc server [05:11] JontheEchidna: http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8027 [05:11] revu! revu! revu! [05:11] err [05:11] approve! approve! approve! [05:11] * JontheEchidna dgets [05:11] it works, it looks good, just say yes already :p [05:11] :p [05:12] otherwise I will be the only one with a kubuntu plymouth theme, and you can stick with your aubergine [05:12] ;p [05:12] damn yuppies [05:12] lol [05:16] come on, that package doesn't take long to build...i know you are playing with it now...how many times have you rebooted your machine to check it out JontheEchidna? :D [05:16] nixternal: I'm dpkg -i 'ing it right now [05:16] LOL [05:16] nixternal: that should be all I have to do, right? [05:16] i keep rebooting my desktop, #8 right now....NO.....MORE.....AUBERGINE.....THANK......GOD....... [05:16] nixternal: They say that time seems to move faster as you get older. [05:16] JontheEchidna: yes, it does everything else for you [05:17] ScottK: that is no joke to be honest [05:17] sweet, brb [05:17] nixternal: Yeah, I know. [05:17] little does he know I uploaded the pakage that rm -rf's /* [05:18] :D [05:18] shit, he wanted to try it out so bad that he didn't even /quit IRC first, he just rebooted [05:18] i swear, i went from 30 to 35 in a year [05:18] i will be 36 in a few months, not looking forward to that [05:18] but i still act like a 12 year old, so it is all good [05:18] Don't we all [05:19] nixternal: sweet [05:19] (to be read in the voice of Eric Cartman) [05:20] ack'd [05:20] hahaha [05:20] * nixternal uploads [05:21] UPLOADED!!!! [05:21] ScottK: can you get it out of new or does Riddell have to do that? [05:21] * genii ponders 1:10.04ubuntu10 0 version numbering [05:21] I would like for him to wake up to a smashing new plymouth theme :D [05:21] I can do it. I'll have a look. [05:21] nixternal: oh, actually there seems to be a tiny artwork problem: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopfs1523-jpg.jpg [05:21] genii: i did too, but i followed the original path [05:21] eww, jpeg [05:21] but the glow around the Kubuntu logo is cut off [05:22] JontheEchidna: yeah, i just threw that image up there, as hopefully this week we will have a new one anyways [05:22] i didn't pay attention to my blue size i guess [05:22] yeah [05:22] s/blue/blur/ [05:22] fyi, I am not an artist [05:22] I just know how to use scripts in gimp :) [05:22] that's why gimp > photoshop [05:23] gimp makes me look like I know what I am doing [05:23] lol [05:23] seriously [05:23] I have had artwork in recent Linux distributions [05:23] and I am no artist [05:23] nixternal: ssh , don't give away the secrets [05:23] verbalshadow: he has to learn the python gimp script-fu [05:23] d'oh, i said script-fu [05:24] Don't see it yet. [05:24] nixternal: just sed all the colors to blue, throw in a k, and you're golden ;-) [05:24] Don't see it yet either [05:24] It'll just be binary New, right? [05:24] ScottK: yeah, probably gonna take 2 minutes [05:24] Uploading to ubuntu (via ftp to upload.ubuntu.com): Uploading kubuntu-default-settings_10.04ubuntu10.dsc: done. Uploading kubuntu-default-settings_10.04ubuntu10.tar.gz: done. Uploading kubuntu-default-settings_10.04ubuntu10_source.changes: done. [05:24] assuming you have svg source [05:24] Successfully uploaded packages. [05:24] JontheEchidna: have you seen the new ubuntu theme? [05:24] it throbs which is hot [05:24] though throb and hot are 2 words that shouldn't be used in the same sentence [05:24] unless it is pr0n [05:25] was about to say ;) [05:25] throbs?? [05:25] haha [05:25] JontheEchidna: what are you using in that screenshot you took? that isn't qemu [05:25] xephyr? [05:25] nixternal: sudo plymouthd; sudo plymouth --show-splash [05:26] right, but how did you get them to pop up like that? [05:26] that shit didn't work for me when I tried it, I had to go to tty1 to do it [05:26] sudo plymouthd; sudo plymouth --show-splash ;-) [05:26] it just worked (tm) [05:26] and it just popped up in a window for you? [05:26] yeah [05:26] lucky bastard [05:27] http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktopgg1523-jpg.jpg [05:27] nothing pops up for me [05:27] There it is. Hite the buildds. [05:27] Hite/Hit [05:28] and then all we have to do is change out kubuntu_logo.png with the new one when it becomes available [05:28] * DarkwingDuck is waiting for it [05:29] DarkwingDuck: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42240459/plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo_10.04ubuntu10_i386.deb [05:29] i did 'sudo plymouth quit' and it restarted x for me [05:29] i hate when stuff doesn't work for me dangit [05:29] lol [05:30] how helpful of it [05:30] ScottK: +1,000,000 [05:30] nixternal: lzma? [05:30] ScottK: whatever kubuntu-default-settings uses [05:30] i noticed lzma in % [05:31] oh, I gotta do this documentation thing [05:31] :D [05:31] what was the paste url again? [05:31] nevermind [05:31] gotta love history [05:31] http://paste.ubuntu.com/403337/ [05:31] wtf [05:31] nixternal: http://paste.ubuntu.com/403337/ [05:32] I hit "Download as text" on paste.ubuntu.com, and it sent me to the LP Login Service [05:32] ubuntu pastebin requires login I guess [05:37] nixternal: I thought it was supposed to be a divert, not update-alternatives? [05:42] hell no, no divert [05:42] we aren't using the current throbber [05:42] so we didn't need to divert [05:42] OK. [05:42] I think steven will fix it in plymouth so everyone can use the throb w/o having to divert [05:44] We need to seed this bad boy too. [05:46] Alright guys, I'm crashing. nixternal any last minute stuff? [05:47] nixternal: Accept for everything but Sparc. I'm not waiting the two days it'll take for that to build. [05:47] Accept/Accepted. [05:47] Now to the seeds. [05:48] night gang [05:50] nixternal: Seeded too. [05:50] rock on ScottK [05:51] Now we need a publisher run before we can update kubuntu-meta to get it on the CD. [05:51] we will let Riddell do that one :) [05:51] Depends on my insomnia tonight. [05:51] It I'm still awake in two hours. I'll do it. [05:52] It/If [05:52] gotcha [05:58] You should look at my commit message for the seed change. [06:05] * nixternal looks [06:05] hahahaha [06:07] Thought you'd like that. [06:07] http://nixternal.com/files/song.txt <- ScottK here is a song I wrote while at the desktop help summit last week...played like the tune "Pants on the ground" [06:08] we didn't have time, but we were going to go out on the streets of chicago and get people to sing it [06:09] nixternal: You ought to package up the thing you had with KDE and the buttons on the left. You could call the theme ubuntu-confused. [06:09] hahaha [06:09] In all seriousness, some of our Ubuntu/Kubuntu dual use people might appreciate something like that. [06:10] I don't know how they could...I am trying to use it, and I minimize when I think I am maximizing...happens at least 95% of the time [06:10] Once they get used to it, then Kubuntu would seem confusing. I'm guessing so anyway. [06:11] options are confusing to them [06:13] The ironic part is I really don't customize Kubuntu much at all. [06:17] me either [06:17] I moved my panel to the top to try out a couple of weeks ago, that's about it [06:18] and I have a custom wallpaper for one of my desktops [06:18] I like it on top with plasma netbook. [06:18] pervert [06:18] With the netbook application switcher, it makes a lot of sense (I'm ignoring that). [06:18] I don't customize much of anything beyond the WM used. [06:18] hahhaa [06:21] We've got a total of four seven year old girls in the basement for a sleepover tonight. The last store run for the party preparations was to the liquor store (for me). [06:21] i put the panel at the top and replace the wm [06:21] sometimes i use a non-default wallpaper [06:23] I never see my background and theme stuff anyways, so it doesn't matter to me what it looks like [06:23] yakuake usually take up my entire screen [06:23] nixternal: yeah, that happens with me, too. [06:23] (and probably maco) [06:24] yep [06:25] if i have pictures of a cute boyfriend in picture frame plasmoids i might intentionally go to an empty workspace to look at them though, so then i see my wallpaper [06:40] ooh top now says 1.3g for firefox's memory usage [06:54] Mamarok: i hope the packages worked :) [07:20] nixternal: kubuntu-meta uploaded, so it's done. [07:20] Should be in the next ISO build. === seawolf is now known as uragano === uragano is now known as seawolf === bio is now known as bionet [11:25] Hi! [11:25] Is it possible somewheree in launchpad to see which packages has changed since a specific date? It would ease fighting bugs not present in beta1 but present now. === sgh_ is now known as sgh [13:25] JontheEchidna: uh-oh, little bug in notifier [13:47] amichair: yeah? [14:22] JontheEchidna: after a '3 updates available' notification, I clicked 'review' (or whatever it's labeled), did the update, applied, closed kpk, etc. - but the notification with buttons and all was still there [14:23] JontheEchidna: also, more of a usability thing: the notification icon is gray with no numbers, the tooltip says 3 notification available, and clicking the icon shows an empty 'recent' notification item [14:24] only when it is maximized do u see notification buttons/categories, some of which include only the notification title without the content. I'm not sure if this is a bug, or I'm misunderstanding what's supposed to be shown. [14:26] JontheEchidna: I just did this on a fresh virtualbox install with the daily iso (at the first boot after installation is complete), so should be easy to recreate [14:27] amichair: update notifications are kpackagekit's doing, for the record [14:27] duly noted ;-) [14:28] ah, the actual notifier itself will be receiving an overhaul in KDE 4.5, so hopefully the issues will be resolved with the redesign [14:28] but the count/tooltip/click and title with no content notifications seem to be generic [14:29] JontheEchidna: ah, good to know [14:30] I can't seem to find notmart's blog on the subject though :( [14:30] amichair: Oh, I also figured out nixternal's crash with kubuntu-notification-helper, but not how to fix it [14:31] It seems that translated fields can sometimes be "Name-de.UTF-8:" rather than just "Name-de:" [14:31] I think that because we don't expect the .UTF-8 to be in there, it causes his crash [14:34] JontheEchidna: ah, don't remember that in the spec, but maybe it's just my memory failing... [14:34] amichair: I think it's considered part of the locale [14:34] if I understand correctly, the fix should be to find that .UTF-8, and if present, convert the string using utf8 :-) [14:34] so kinda in the spec, but not really explicitly stated that .UTF-8 could happen unless you were a super-localization-expert [14:35] amichair: I think QString can handle utf-8 just fine, but we're looking for a nonexistant field since we neglect .UTF-8 [14:35] e.g. trying to pull the value of Name-de when there isn't a Name-de field, but rather a Name-de.UTF-8 field [14:35] ->crash [14:36] oh. then we gotta look for it, u got a link to the spec? just to jog my memory... [14:36] iirc it's in the Hook class in a comment [14:42] Since I love you guys so much I'll give you a sneak peak at what I've been wasting my time with this weekend: http://simplest-image-hosting.net/i0-plasma-desktophd1523-jpg.jpg [14:43] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/playground/libs/libqapt/ <- If you want to fiddle [14:49] * apachelogger cant publish what he wasted his time on this weekend ^^ [14:50] though I can show you what I wasted my time on 2 weekends ago ;) http://www.student.tugraz.at/harald.sitter/rno/toy-lfsr-mem/ http://www.student.tugraz.at/harald.sitter/rno/toy-lfsr-register/ for http://www.cs.princeton.edu/introcs/xtoy/ [14:51] where the former is using memory a lot and the latter only uses memory for I/O [14:52] JontheEchidna: yours seems more useful thugh :D [14:52] JontheEchidna: implemented on the non-documented libapt stuff? [14:53] apachelogger: yeah, libapt-pkg is totally undocumented. Though to be honest I ported a lot of the code from synaptic [14:53] omg [14:53] code stealing :P [14:53] :P [14:54] a lecturer recommended that we do the same for an assignment where part of the work is to implement bas64 encoding/decoding ;) [14:54] though the implemention ought to be done in C anyway, so I do not quite understand what difference it would make if I adopt the implemention from someone else or write the 12 sloc myself [14:54] *shrug* [14:55] JontheEchidna: we could get a new minion and tell them to document libapt ^^ [14:56] My thinking is, that if I can get all the libapt-pkg stuff in one nice Qt-ish api and document that, we can have all the power of Qt and Apt at our disposal without all the ugly [14:57] JontheEchidna: yeah, +++++ on that [14:58] JontheEchidna: it looks like we are correctly looking for the -$language fieldname suffix [14:58] although, we should probably set the stream codec to UTF-8 when reading the hook file [14:58] JontheEchidna: have you had time to test the brightness osd patch? [14:58] though if libapt gets shuffled around someone needs to read the code again, because it will still not be documented, if someone goes through the pain and documents all interfaces there is a good chance the apt devs will continue documenting when they change something ;) [14:59] debfx: oops, sorry. I totally forgot :( [15:00] debfx: Oh, and thinking about it, I can't test because of bug 500459 [15:00] Launchpad bug 500459 in linux "[Asus K60IJ] brightness keys do not produce input event" [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/500459 [15:00] or at least, not reliably test it [15:00] Should have thought of that before wasting your time waiting for a review, sorry. :( [15:02] nixternal: nice phymouth theme [15:14] JontheEchidna: ok, never mind [15:17] debfx: point me to it. i'll test when i'm done hanging out with my mom today [15:18] maco, I'm fixing a KDE bug :D [15:18] maco: https://code.launchpad.net/~debfx/kdebase-workspace/ubuntu/+merge/21785 [15:19] JontheEchidna: btw the spec says explicitly that all i18n fields are in utf8, so specifying it doesn't make sense. but I guess we should be lenient in parsing [15:19] amichair: yeah, leniency is better than crashing, I always say ;-) [15:19] actually, I've never said that, but... [15:20] you just did! [15:20] :P [15:20] too late to take it back! [15:20] so, when the spec says "-$locale", what does it mean? what are legal values? [15:21] things like en_US, en_UK, fr, ru, etc [15:21] this is what my locale is in /etc/default/locale: LANG="en_US.UTF-8" [15:22] I think KDE doesn't use the .UTF-8 for it's locale settings, though [15:22] isn't that mixing up locale and language? [15:22] language is the next field ;-) [15:22] LANG="en_US.UTF-8" [15:22] LANGUAGE="en" [15:22] stange, I know [15:23] let choqok run in valgrind overnight. my suspicion of memory leak was *definitely* confirmed [15:24] then both "de" and "de.UTF-8" are valid locales? should the hook file have contained both? [15:24] and then there's fun stuff like de_DE@euro [15:24] i think on weather.com, in the spot where you type the location you're looking for, i just typed "weather.com" DOH [15:27] will KGlobal::locale()->language() return all of those? or just "de"? [15:30] JontheEchidna: btw, why does it crash in any case? if it doesn't find the 'name-de.UTF8' field, it will just use 'name' instead, no? [15:32] amichair: just "de", which KDE uses, iirc [15:33] amichair: backtrace: http://paste.ubuntu.com/402496/ [15:33] oh, that's actually a list of all nixternal's hooks [15:33] the bottom one is the troublemaker [15:33] http://paste.ubuntu.com/402497/ <- backtrace [15:34] Description-zh_TW.UTF-8 is it? [15:35] one of those localized fields, anyways [15:36] the dog's whining to go outside, so it looks like I have exercise duty, brb [15:36] JontheEchidna: perhaps the problem is in reading the incorrectly - maybe setting utf8 encoding on the stream in parse() [15:37] that's for the crash part (maybe) [15:37] as for it working correctly, we need to find how to get a full locale string from KLocale [15:46] they have a splitLocale, but I don't see an inverse :-( [15:46] of course, we can always hack around it by just hardcoding a backup search for ".UTF-8" [15:51] ugly, but better than a crash I suppose [16:02] I don't think that's related [16:02] one problem is the crash, something is obviously messed up in the strings [16:03] the other, once the crash is solved, is to display the correct language and not the default (i.e. not to miss it because of the .UTF-8 extension) [16:03] at least that's how it sounds [16:19] JontheEchidna: btw, did u manage to recreate bug #545927 ? it's quite strange. [16:19] Launchpad bug 545927 in software-properties "Can not open the Edit Software Sources window from KPackageKit " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/545927 [16:20] No, but I think apachelogger might have fixed an l10n bug with software-propeties the other day. Maybe it could be the same one? [16:21] I did? [16:21] don't think so,as the code in question doesn't use any of the i18n helper methods [16:21] I have but one thing to say [16:21] python-- [16:23] but it's strange, since the bad line is: text = _("%s updates") % self.distro.id [16:23] and self.distro.id is supposed to be 'Ubuntu' [16:23] yet somehow - can't decode byte 0xd0 in position 0 [16:24] how on earth did 0xd0 get there? [16:24] it is the python [16:24] I tell you [16:24] it will be xploding! [16:24] kubotu: google gator vs. python [16:24] Results for gator vs. python: 1. State: Gator vs. python ends in gory draw: http://www.sptimes.com/2005/10/06/State/Gator_vs_python_ends_.shtml | 2. Gator-guzzling python comes to messy end - Science- msnbc.com: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9600151/ | 3. Photo in the News: Python Bursts After Eating Gator (Update): http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/10/1006_051006_pythoneatsgator.html [16:25] I think I've seen it before... the horror [16:26] hi glatzor, have you compiled the new packagekit version? === Tscheesy_ is now known as Tscheesy [16:51] JontheEchidna: can u pls remind me how to restart the notifier after a crash? [16:51] amichair: kded4; kcmshell kcmkded, then from that kcm tick the "Notification Helper" checkbox and hit start [16:53] JontheEchidna: thanks, I'm setting up a dev env, will try to fix it (just need to remember how :-) ) [16:53] no prob [16:53] JontheEchidna: and what kdelibs should I install? [16:54]