[00:09] <M0DCM_Dave> Any news on 10.04?
[00:10] <Some_Person> Does anyone here speak Chinese by any chance? I need something translated
[00:10] <rsk> M0DCM_Dave what kind?
[00:10] <penguin42> Some_Person: Doesn't google language tools?
[00:10] <M0DCM_Dave> I'd like to know if it now supports the Intel GMA500
[00:10] <Some_Person> penguin42: How do I type this into Google Translator: http://i42.tinypic.com/2ahvbrr.jpg
[00:10] <rsk> M0DCM_Dave easy way is to boot a nightly cd and chek
[00:10] <penguin42> Some_Person: Ah
[00:11] <arand> M0DCM_Dave: or virtualbox'it
[00:11] <M0DCM_Dave> cheers, I don't even mind if they do backporting like they've done in 9.10
[00:11] <yofel> arand: how does virtualboxin help with a driver test?
[00:12] <M0DCM_Dave> dunno
[00:12] <arand> Ah, didn't see the latter comment, yea liveCD is what to go for then..
[00:13] <M0DCM_Dave> I'll give it a try on a weekly basis
[00:13] <M0DCM_Dave> there's more than myself that has a netbook with the GMA500 chipset that are crying out for GMA500 support
[00:16] <brianherman> so on the latest version of wubi
[00:16] <brianherman> it formats every reboot
[00:16] <brianherman> lol
[00:17] <M0DCM_Dave> does it?
[00:18] <brianherman> i just rebooted lucid wubi
[00:18] <brianherman> it reinstalled everything
[00:18] <brianherman> ...
[00:18] <M0DCM_Dave> oh boy
[00:20] <M0DCM_Dave> I've only been running Ubuntu since January, and I can say Billy "Bob" Gates is no match
[00:20] <Nikola> ok, need some help.. 10.04 freezes seemingly on random moments.. and I can't do anythig than manual restart
[00:21] <histo> What was your problem with 9.10?
[00:21] <histo> btw
[00:21] <histo> Nikola: ^^^^^^^^^
[00:21] <M0DCM_Dave> mine??
[00:21] <M0DCM_Dave> or his
[00:21] <histo> his
[00:21] <histo> sry
[00:21] <M0DCM_Dave> it sounds like grafix
[00:21] <Nikola> Well it just freezes same as 10.04....
[00:21] <Nikola> and sound stucks in a loop
[00:22] <Ian_Corne> are you sure it's not overheating?
[00:22] <M0DCM_Dave> what card you running
[00:22] <histo> Nikola: how old is your hardware?
[00:22] <histo> Nikola: I know i've seen issues with power management due similiar stuff.
[00:22] <Nikola> yes, it's not overheating.. graphic card is ATI radeon @ 512 GDDR3.. and hardvare is  new
[00:22] <histo> Nikola: Try booting with acpi=off on the kernel line
[00:23] <Nikola> how to do that?
[00:23] <histo> Nikola: when you turn it on hold <shift> to get to the grub menu
[00:23] <penguin42> Nikola: Is it really new? I mean have you had anything run stabily on it?
[00:23] <histo> Nikola: Then move down to the most recent kernel and press the E key
[00:23] <Nikola> windows 7 runs great on it...
[00:23] <histo> penguin42: he said window 7 runs stable on it.
[00:23] <Nikola> also windows xp
[00:23] <penguin42> ok
[00:24] <histo> Nikola: then append to the end of the line acpi=off
[00:24] <lucian_> i'm getting no sound when trying to run pasuspender
[00:24] <histo> Nikola: press enter to but see how it goes.
[00:24] <histo> lucian_: lot of sound updates today I noticed
[00:24] <lucian_> i've noticed this issue since yesterday
[00:25] <histo> lucian_: have you done a dist-upgrade today?
[00:25] <lucian_> but i've never used it before because i've been used to just shutting off pulseaudio
[00:25] <Nikola> ok, I'll try that... and another thing I noticed, not really sure if it's relevant but the kern.log clears every data after the freezing thing happens...
[00:25] <Nikola> because someone told me to post log from the time the freezing happens....
[00:25] <histo> Nikola: who knows until you try.
[00:26] <lucian_> i've tried pasuspender on every app i could think of and no sound
[00:28] <lucian_> i've tried streaming radio in secondlife running pulseaudio and it sounds like a skipping cd
[00:28] <lucian_> so i decided to use pasuspender instead, no sound in second life all together
[00:29] <histo> lucian_: did you preform a dist-upgrade and grab the newest sound packages
[00:29] <lucian_> yes i did
[00:29] <lucian_> no emprovments
[00:29] <lucian_> improvments*
[00:29] <Blue11> lucian_: yeah sound still choppy here
[00:30] <histo> lucian_: bug?
[00:30] <lucian_> i still get the left side all distorded and scratchy, i have to go into tty1 before logging into gnome and do an also force-reload to get rid of the scratchy left side
[00:31] <Blue11> lucian_: that sounds TOO familiar
[00:31] <litropy> I've got "/ filesystem has errors [SIFM] w/ the niiiiice looking ner ubuntu load screen on my netbook's display right now. Random occurrence; had it suspended or hybernated (can't remember which), opened the lid, only had a blank screen and a cursor. Cold rebooted, and this is the result. My question is: Can I get it to go verbose in what it's doing right now?
[00:31] <lucian_> when i log into gnome, pulseaudio is stuck, i can t shut it off
[00:31] <Blue11> lucian_: i have to jiggle the volume control knob
[00:31] <litropy> ]"
[00:31] <litropy> new* gosh, sorry for the spelling errors.
[00:32] <lucian_> i'm kinda upset that distros are intergrading pa more and more while pa and alsa are still not working right, together
[00:32] <penguin42> litropy: the SIFM is an option of keys to press but I can't remember what they all are; M is maintenance I think, I can't rmeember the others
[00:33] <ZykoticK9> lucian_, after you mentioned it i tried using pasuspender with audacious2 (changed output to alsa), and I too am getting no sound
[00:34] <litropy> thank you, penguin42. All else: while I google, wanna save me time while I get the meanings?
[00:34] <lucian_> i have to do alsa force-reload, but i can nolonger do it while logged into gnome because pulseaudio refused to shutdown
[00:34] <lucian_> i even disabled autospawn for pa and it still restarts its self!
[00:36] <lucian_> does anyone know of a really good soundcard that works will with alsa and pulseaduio?
[00:36] <siddhartha> question: i was running a karmic installation.. i somehow managed to change change my release type to eeebuntu after adding some package repos.  Recently i added lucid repos. Is there any way to change the distribution release type ? lsb_release -a tells me im still running eeebuntu.
[00:36] <lucian_> this intergraded one i've got just isn't making the grade
[00:38] <penguin42> lucian_: See http://share.skype.com/sites/linux/   and search down for 'To disable'
[00:38] <lucian_> penguin42: ok
[00:38] <bsmith093> i am having a crapload of package configuration problems. is there a way to force all unconfigured packages to configure?
[00:38] <lucian_> To disable auto-spawn, edit or create the file ~/.pulse/client.conf and add a line containing "autospawn = no" there.
[00:39] <lucian_> i've done that and it still restarts regardless
[00:39] <litropy> http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/01/27/%23ubuntu-devel.txt
[00:40] <bsmith093> also are there any torrents for the cd images they are downloading VERY slowly
[00:40] <lucian_> see? i really disagree with the decision to make so pulseaduio stays locked on no matter what
[00:41] <lucian_> that's very mac like
[00:41] <penguin42> lucian_: It really should go if you put that autospawn = no in there
[00:41] <yofel> bsmith093: dpkg --configure -a ?
[00:41] <lucian_> penguin42: in lucid, it it restarts its self nomatter what
[00:41] <bsmith093> i am having a crapload of package configuration problems. is there a way to force all unconfigured packages to configure?
[00:42] <lucian_> the only way to keep it from respawning is to uninstall it along with all its dependencies
[00:42] <bsmith093> yofel: tried that no go
[00:42] <yofel> bsmith093: and if you mean the beta cd images, they are quite old now, you should use a daily
[00:42] <ZykoticK9> I've started to get the non-text Plymouth using the nvidia-blob :)
[00:42] <penguin42> lucian_: If it's ignoring the respawn flag then that sounds like a bug
[00:42] <bsmith093> it just say errors were found
[00:42] <yofel> bsmith093: and where does it fail?
[00:42] <bsmith093> what do you mean
[00:42] <lucian_> it's ignoring it
[00:42] <litropy> okay all - I just successfully logged into my other partition. What fsck command shoould I run to check the damage?
[00:42] <yofel> bsmith093: well, *what* error?
[00:43] <bsmith093> un configured packages
[00:43] <lucian_> if you can confirm it that would be great
[00:43] <yofel> bsmith093: we had/have quite a broken plymouth package that could break other packages yesterday
[00:43] <bsmith093> unmet dependencies package blah depends on foobar but foobar is not confugured
[00:43] <bsmith093> so should i just install the newest daily
[00:44] <bsmith093> this one is just 2 days old
[00:44] <bsmith093> also what is plymouth ive been hearing alot about it
[00:44] <penguin42> bsmith093: It's the boot splash these days
[00:44] <yofel> bsmith093: where exactly does it fail? we can't help you without knowing the error message
[00:46] <bsmith093> hold on ill pastebin it
[00:47] <lucian_> also where can i shut off services?
[00:47] <lucian_> like bluetooth and all that?
[00:47] <bsmith093> http://pastebin.com/tLkw4f98
[00:47] <lucian_> used to be an option in system -- administration --- services
[00:47] <Nikola> ok I tried adding acpi=off on boot, but it still freezes :/
[00:47] <lucian_> what happened to services?
[00:48] <ZykoticK9> lucian_, it was removed in Karmic
[00:48] <lucian_> wh
[00:48] <lucian_> why?
[00:48] <bsmith093> did anyone check it out yet
[00:48] <yofel> bsmith093: lemme guess, your system crashed or you ran out of battery?
[00:48] <lucian_> i liked it
[00:48] <lucian_> can i get it back?
[00:49] <ZykoticK9> lucian_, with the update to upstart i guess it hasn't been updated yet
[00:49] <bsmith093> not to be pushy but if i should just install the latest daily please tell me
[00:49] <Nikola> histo I tried your suggestion, it doesn't work... any other suggestions?
[00:49] <lucian_> is there another way to shut down services?
[00:49] <bsmith093> yofel: umm actually i closed the lid
[00:49] <bsmith093> its a laptop
[00:49] <bsmith093> so am i screwed
[00:50] <bsmith093> or should i just install the daily fo today
[00:50] <litropy> k, just fsck -n -v 'ed. Anyone want to help out before I just fix?
[00:50] <yofel> bsmith093: yes, but exec format error is usually caused by the package scripts being empty files as their contents weren't synced to disk before the disk failed (I/O error, poweroff, crash, ...)
[00:51] <bsmith093> yofel could u give me more detil please
[00:53] <yofel> bsmith093: dpkg uses shell scripts to handle the configuration of the packages. when you install a package it unpacks the scripts and package contents and later configures the package. If now the system crashes the contents of the scripts will not yet be written to disk, only the metadata saying that the file exists...
[00:53] <histo> Nikola: memtest?
[00:53] <penguin42> yofel: But I thought that was also the reason it just got so slow was because it added sync's to stop that
[00:53] <Nikola> done it.. shows it's ok....
[00:53] <yofel> bsmith093: so when you try to configure the package later on dpkg will fail telling you that it can't execute the empty scripts
[00:54] <histo> Nikola: and maybe searching the forums for your mobo cpu usually random lockups are power related.
[00:54] <bsmith093> so is this fixable without a reinstall
[00:54] <yofel> penguin42: yes, but that patch was reverted I think cause it was just TOO slow
[00:54] <penguin42> yofel: Ah got you - it was grimly slow!
[00:54] <histo> Nikola: maybe others would have suggestions but its goign to be really difficult to trouble shoot on a beta systme aswell. Could be multipile causes
[00:55] <yofel> bsmith093: it is, a reinstall might be faster though. You'll find more information on bug 512096
[00:55] <Nikola> haven't tried that... but if it's working normally with windows why wouldn't it work with linux. and btw. as I already said before I had the same problem on stable version of ubuntu that is 9.10
[00:55] <bsmith093> also could someone PLEASE torrent the dailies i have a 1 mbit broadband connection and it dl ing at 200kb 47 minutes left
[00:56] <litropy> k. well, that fixed it.
[00:56] <litropy> thx all
[00:56] <bsmith093> pardon me 10 mbit connection
[00:56] <yofel> bsmith093: why don't  you just zsync them? (if you already have an image on your hdd)
[00:57] <bsmith093> umm i dont have an image
[00:57] <bsmith093> im dl ing one really slowly
[00:59] <Nikola> histo I just noticed that almost always when it freezes I'm using flash, like on youtube etc.. could this be the problem?
[00:59] <bsmith093> hey i just thought could i make an iso out of the disc i burned yesterday
[00:59] <bsmith093> and zsync that
[02:00] <bsmith093> or would that be a bad idea
[02:00] <yofel> might work, but just downloading the torrent should be faster at this point
[02:01] <bsmith093> yeah thanks but the download just picked up a lot
[02:01] <bsmith093> now `800kb
[02:03] <litropy> upgrading to daily is sudo aptitude update && sudo aptitude safe-upgrade, correct?
[02:05] <litropy> ooh, new headers :P
[02:06] <arand> litropy: lucid→lucid yep
[02:07] <litropy> should I tell grub to update since new headers are being installed? I imagine it does so automatically, but just checking
[02:08] <arand> litropy: should be done automatically, if needed.
[02:08] <litropy> kthx
[02:09] <litropy> gosh, this is a huge upgrade. You guys are working hard!
[02:09]  * litropy says, at the risk of sounding naive.
[02:11] <lucian_> how do i install an older version of gnome-volume-control? like 2.26?
[02:11] <arand> lucian_: download from packages.ubuntu.com
[02:11] <lucian_> one that doesn't rely on pulseaduio
[02:12] <arand> lucian_: good luck... I had little when stripping pa before..
[02:33] <lucian_> i'd like to file a bug report that pulseaudio restarts its self even if autospawn is set to no in /etc/pulse/client.conf
[02:34] <yofel> lucian_: 'ubuntu-bug pulseaudio' ?
[02:34] <BUGabundo> yofel: he as a file in ~
[02:35] <yofel> didn't he set that to 'no' as well?
[02:36] <lucian_> yofel: ok will do :)
[02:36] <yofel> lucian_: what did you put in ~/.pulse/client.conf ?
[02:36] <lucian_> just set autospawn to no
[02:37] <lucian_> but pulseaudio is ignoring it for some reason
[02:37] <yofel> hm
[02:37] <lucian_> so when i do a pulseaudio --kill
[02:37] <litropy> How do I get "Default" to auto-unlock upon initial bootup? I hate having to enter my pw every time.
[02:37] <lucian_> it shuts off but right away starts up again
[02:37] <litropy> There's no option for it in the dialogue
[02:49] <lucian_> hmm it appears now its working
[02:49] <lucian_> looks like autospawn was typoed as Autospawn
[02:49] <lucian_> in the client.conf
[02:51] <lucian_> well since im in a bug reporting mood, might as well report pasuspender giving no sound
[03:01] <lucian_> oh one thing i wanted to ask, when i shut down pulseaudio to play something like second life, i lose the volume applet, but when i start pa back up, i still dont see the applet
[03:02] <lucian_> how do i get the volume applet back up?
[03:10] <daniskami> lucian_: gnome-volume-control-applet
[03:21] <nishanth> my ubuntu has been crashing frequently today can anyone help me?
[03:21] <lucian_> daniskami: it doesn't do anything
[03:22] <lucian_> oh wait
[03:22] <lucian_> its because i dont have pa running at the moment
[03:22] <daniskami> lucian_: yes, it relies on pulseaudio
[03:23] <daniskami> lucian_: I don't know if it survives killing and restarting pulse
[03:23] <lucian_> it doesn't
[03:23] <lucian_> but it should
[03:23] <lucian_> i dont like fact that it now relies on pulseaduio to run
[03:24] <lucian_> i'd prefer the older gnome-volume-control-applet
[03:24] <lucian_> the one that used alsa
[03:24] <nishanth> my lucid has been freezing a couple of time today. can anyone help me with this?
[03:24] <lucian_> unless there's an alternative
[03:25] <lontra> how can i stop ubuntu one from syncing? i click stop syncing folder but it continues to do so w/ nautilus and eats up all my CPU and RAM
[03:26] <daniskami> lucian_: ah, I see that now in the scrollback
[03:26] <lontra> is ubuntu one just really broken?
[03:26] <daniskami> lucian_: I am not using pulseaudio at all (is that an alternative?)
[03:26] <lucian_> the new gnome-volume-control-applet will not run without pulseaudio
[03:27] <lucian_> and thats a bummer
[03:27] <daniskami> correct, so I am not able to use that either
[03:27] <lucian_> because i cant have pa running all the time with certain apps
[03:27] <nishanth> can someone help with lucid freezing issue?
[03:28] <daniskami> lucian_: Is there any benefit in using pulseaudio for you?
[03:28] <yofel> nishanth: "freezing" is very vague...
[03:28] <lucian_> not really, unless i'm using remote desktop to my other tower
[03:29] <nishanth> yofel : well i cant use my mouse or my keyboard all of a sudden
[03:29] <nishanth> and i have to turn of the power to start it again
[03:29] <yofel> :(
[03:29] <lucian_> it kinda ticks me off that ubuntu decided to intergrade pulseaudio into the system like this
[03:29] <yofel> sry, no idea where  to start debugging
[03:30] <nishanth> any way of inding what could be wrong?
[03:30] <lucian_> i prefered it to be an option that i can shut off and continue to have sound and volume control
[03:30] <yofel> lucian_: blame gnome, not only ubuntu for this
[03:30] <lucian_> allot of game players are mad because of this too
[03:31] <lucian_> because pulseaudio still cant handle games
[03:31] <lucian_> especially wine
[03:32] <yofel> wait, for games you might even need libsdl1.2debian-alsa maybe
[03:36] <lucian_> For those without PulseAudio, the old (GStreamer) mixer will still be available and has even been augmented with a sound theme tab to match the new interface.
[03:36] <lucian_> so it says
[03:45] <DanaG> I'd rephrase that:
[03:45] <DanaG> Wine can't handle PulseAudio.
[03:45] <DanaG> I've run Nexuiz through PulseAudio... it works just fine.
[03:49] <DanaG> argh, on my netbook, every other time I boot, it sits there at plymouth, looking like it's starting up and shutting down over and over again (thanks to the badly-designed 0%-100%-0% looping progress bar).
[03:53] <DanaG> And when shutting down... it also looks like it's starting up.
[03:54] <MikeChelen> audio is currently working for me in 3d games, but not in wine
[03:54] <MikeChelen> using default config
[03:55] <MikeChelen> in 9.10, this system often had trouble with 3d game audio, unless pulseaudio was removed
[03:55] <DanaG> okay, now it's even weirder: instead of a splash screen, I just get blank black.
[03:56] <DanaG> oh, and at gdm, it keeps resetting itself to blindingly-bright maximum brightness.
[03:56] <DanaG> And there's no easy way to change the default brightness at GDM.
[04:14] <lucian_> is there a rt-kernal available for lucid that would improve pulseaudio latency?
[04:14] <lucian_> kernel*
[04:15] <Damascene> is Lucid too slow this days?
[04:16] <lucian_> running pa in games is so bad
[04:16] <lucian_> or games with pa on, so many audio skipts
[04:16] <lucian_> skips*
[04:17] <lucian_> the only one i see thats available is 2.6.31.10-rt
[04:29] <ZykoticK9> lucian_, specifically what linux-native game is giving you audio problems in Lucid?  Quake4 for instance had terrible audio for me under Karmic yet works well under Lucid.
[04:35] <DanaG> ureadahead: Error while tracing: No such file or directory
[04:52] <bullgard> Why is indicator-applet not shown on my Lucid computer? The DEB program packages 'indicator-applet' and 'indicator-applet-session' are installed.
[04:56] <crimsun> bullgard: http://pastebin.com/t4nrUWT9
[04:58] <crimsun> bullgard: and, of course, the obvious: make sure "Indicator applet" is ticked in System> Preferences> Startup Applications> Startup Programs
[05:05] <tanath> i'm having trouble with rhythmbox trying to put music on an ipod touch
[05:05] <tanath> the music transfers, but the ipod doesn't show the transfer, and doesn't see the music
[05:07] <tanath> this rhythmbox feature is new as far as i know. anyone know if it works yet?
[05:07] <bbordwell> tanath, are you talking about the music store?
[05:07] <tanath> bbordwell,
[05:07] <tanath> bbordwell, no
[05:08] <tanath> just copying music from the computer to the ipod through rhythmbox. it's the only thing that sees it
[05:08] <tanath> itunes doesn't work
[05:08] <bullgard> crimsun: System> Preferences> Startup Applications> Startup Programs does not exist on my Lucid computer. System> Preferences> Startup Applications> Startup Programs does not exist on my Karmic computer although indicator-applet works all right here, Can you comment.
[05:08] <tanath> itunes for windows doesn't see the ipod
[05:08] <bbordwell> tanath, I did that in lucid
[05:08] <bbordwell> karmic i mean
[05:09] <tanath> oh, was gonna say
[05:09] <tanath> i'm on 10.04 now
[05:09] <tanath> got it on 2 computers. same prob on both
[05:10] <bbordwell> tanath, i have not tried it in lucid yet but it should be working. its a regression if not
[05:10] <tanath> music transfers. i can see free space go down, and the files on it in nautilus
[05:10] <tanath> it never worked then either
[05:10] <tanath> and these are new installs
[05:11] <bbordwell> tanath, what type of ipod?
[05:11] <tanath> ipod touch. 64gb
[05:11] <tanath> previously, i forget what type
[05:11] <tanath> not touch though
[05:11] <bbordwell> tanath, yes the iphone and ipod touch not supported yet AFIK
[05:11] <bbordwell> AFAIK*
[05:11] <tanath> :-/
[05:11] <tanath> aware of an ETA?
[05:11] <bbordwell> tanath, close i belive
[05:12] <bbordwell> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODA5Mg
[05:13] <bbordwell> that was 4 days ago, I think if you resarch and work at it you can get it working, but not in lucid by default
[05:13] <bbordwell> The only currently supported way in ubuntu involves jailbreaking
[05:13] <tanath> thanks
[05:19] <ShawnR> i'm trying to run a game in wine on 10.04 and seem to be lacking opengl for my intel 945 IGP
[05:19] <ShawnR> can someone point me in the right direction pls?
[05:21] <gnomefreak> ShawnR: do you have 3d graphic drivers installed for you card?
[05:21] <ShawnR> that's what i'm trying to figure out
[05:21] <ShawnR> i've read somet things about kms and ums and i'm not sure what to do
[05:21] <gnomefreak> ShawnR: what grtaphic card?
[05:21] <ShawnR> right now it is just the built-in drivers
[05:21] <ShawnR> it's a laptop with intel 945 chipset
[05:22] <gnomefreak> i was thinking the 3d drivers for intel was installed by default but open the hardware drivers menu item and see what it shows
[05:23] <gnomefreak> install as needed and reboot and hope it works ;)
[05:23] <ShawnR> it shows agpgart-intel
[05:23] <ShawnR> that's what my question is, where do i go to install the intel gfx drivers?
[05:24] <gnomefreak> the repos has them i just cant recall what ones support what card
[05:24] <crimsun> bullgard: the last one, Startup Programs, is a tab. It's the default one.
[05:25] <gnomefreak> xserver-xorg-video-intel im thinking that is it
[05:26] <gnomefreak> ^^ installed by default
[05:26] <gnomefreak> crimsun: isnt there a 3d driver outside of the driver above?
[05:26] <DanaG> One thing I've found: on a 64-bit host, ia32libs has OLD mesa!
[05:27] <DanaG> ... at least, old compared to, say, xorg-edgers.
[05:27] <crimsun> gnomefreak: not that I'm aware
[05:27] <DanaG> oh yeah, and when I try hl2dm in Wine (with fglrx), it gets the X server stuck.
[05:27] <gnomefreak> everything is old compared to *-edgers
[05:27] <gnomefreak> crimsun: i didnt think so but wortha  try
[05:28] <crimsun> shipping -edgers's mesa in the repo (proper)'s ia32libs would be A Very Bad Idea
[05:28] <DanaG> Anyway, I guesss edgers should have an ia32-libs package.
[05:28] <DanaG> I mean, xorg-edgers should have an xorg-edgers ia32-libs.
[05:28] <gnomefreak> ShawnR: xserver-xorg-video-intel supports i810, i815, i830, i845, i855, i865, i915, i945 and i965
[05:28] <ShawnR> thanks, i'm looking into that now
[05:28] <gnomefreak> ShawnR: it should be installed and active without you needing to do anything
[05:29] <ShawnR> apt-get says that's already at the latest version
[05:29] <ShawnR> correct
[05:29] <bullgard> crimsun: I found the tab System> Preferences> Startup Applications> Startup Programs. But this tab does not list "Indicator applet" on my Lucid computer while it does list it on my Karmic computer.
[05:29] <gnomefreak> bullgard: scroll down the list. its there for me :)
[05:30] <gnomefreak> it may be greyed out
[05:32] <bullgard> gnomefreak: I scrolled down on both computers. It is not listed on my Lucid computer. It is listed on my Karmic computer.
[05:33] <gnomefreak> bullgard: thats odd
[05:38] <mbt> Does anyone know if there is a way to set configuration defaults w/ udisks (formerly policykit-disks) such that certain types of media are mounted with the "sync,dirsync" flags?
[05:40] <bbordwell> mbt, I assume this can be accomplished by editing your fstab
[05:40] <bbordwell> but with udisk i do not know
[05:41] <mbt> bbordwell, fstab is useless since the device gets a different name fairly regularly and other devices might get its name. I just want a particular type (e.g., usb-floppy) to be mounted with these options.
[05:41] <bbordwell> mbt, ahh i did not read your question carefully enough
[05:41] <mbt> Seems like there is a lot of migrating from things that worked and had useful configuration options to things that work but don't have them; I can't find anything anywhere that would let me do this, sadly.
[05:42] <voidmage> I'm getting this error when i plug in a usb PS2 controller adapter, does anyone know what it means?
[05:42] <voidmage> Mar 28 00:39:35 phoenix kernel: [364131.030060] generic-usb: probe of 0003:0B43:0003.000B failed with error -71
[05:42] <jmcantrell> anyone use nx/freenx/neatx with lucid?
[05:47] <almoxarife> phoenix kernel???
[05:49] <Guest11262> Hi, whenever I try to lock the computer or the computer goes into standby or sleep there is about a 30 second delay where the screen slowly dims
[05:50] <Guest11262> Anyone know how to fix this?
[05:51] <ShawnR> it takes 30 seconds to dim?
[05:51] <jmcantrell> anyone use nx/freenx/neatx with lucid?
[05:51] <Guest11262>  About
[05:51] <mbt> Guest11262, 30 seconds? Do you have a problem with your display driver, using VESA or something? It should only take two seconds or so; possibly less
[05:51] <ShawnR> my guess is you need to update graphics drivers.  jmcantrell: not me
[05:51] <Guest11262> I'm using the latest restricted NVIDIA drivers
[05:52] <Guest11262> Had no problems like this in Karmic
[05:52] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/devicekit-power/+bug/539843
[05:52] <DanaG> argh
[05:52] <almoxarife> Guest11262: have you looked at the log?
[05:52] <Guest11262> It will dim about 5 percent, wait, 5 more, wait, etc
[05:52] <Guest11262> How do I do so?
[05:52] <mbt> Guest11262, Have you an extremely low output for glxgears?
[05:53] <TravisO> I'm afraid I really don't know.  I've never actually poked around my linux boxes.
[05:54] <TravisO> I don't where the logs are or what glxgears isw
[05:54] <bullgard> bbordwell: Yesterday Update Manager offered a distant-upgrade. Afterwards my Kexi program does not exist any more. But the 3 essential software packages still exist in my directory /home/detlef/Downloads. How to install them?
[05:54] <mbt> TravisO, if you open a terminal window, and then type "glxgears", every 5 seconds the terminal will show you how many frames per second it drew. Can you tell us what that number is?
[05:55] <TravisO> sec, need to install
[05:55] <TravisO> 9940 frames
[05:55] <TravisO> 9252
[05:55] <DanaG> ah, that's good enough.
[05:55] <mbt> Well, then it isn't a graphics problem with speed of output.
[05:56] <mbt> Hrm.
[05:56] <dividedby0zero> hey guys, could the lucid beta be installed now and rollupdated into final versions?
[05:56] <TravisO> Nope, graphics run very well for me
[05:56] <almoxarife> mbt: the pm-sleep log/.?
[05:56] <bullgard> dividedby0zero: Yes.
[05:57] <GSF1200S> has notify-osd gained anymore config options in lucid over the version in karmic?
[05:57] <dividedby0zero> lets say that there are packages that are default now that change later. would they be automatically installed and uninstalled based on the updates?
[05:57] <GSF1200S> karmic's notify-osd really needs some options
[05:57] <bullgard> dividedby0zero: Yes.
[05:58] <dividedby0zero> ok thanks
[05:58] <mbt> Well, I don't see any options in the gnome-screensaver configuration that would have the potential for lengthening the fade-out period.
[05:58] <kushalone> HI, I seem to be unable to use Flash in 10.04b in Firefox. It seems that it is installed but firefox (default installation) cannot see it. It it changes anything, I am using the 10.04b which was upgraded from 9.10 (not a clean install)
[05:59] <TravisO> One more thing, forgot to mention, it seems whenever I come out of sleep or lock I get a "serious kernel problem"
[05:59] <mbt> TravisO, "serious kernel problem"?
[05:59] <TravisO> yes
[05:59] <bbordwell> bullgard, I am guessing it upgraded the koffice-data and koffice-libs
[05:59] <TravisO> the little red explosion icon next to clock
[05:59] <bbordwell> you need to revert to the versions you installed
[05:59] <almoxarife> TravisO: yeah, sounds serious, anything else you might of not shared?
[05:59] <TravisO> sorry
[05:59] <GSF1200S> kushalone, 32 or 64bit?
[06:00] <mbt> TravisO, Can't say that I have seen that. I'd make the assumption that your problem is related there to the kernel problem.  Have you reported this to Launchpad?\
[06:00] <bbordwell> bullgard, You should have locked the versions in synaptic to avoid update manager updating hthem
[06:00] <voidmage> almoxarife: phoenix is my box name
[06:00] <TravisO> Well, the only issues I'm having right now is the fade thing, kernel issue, and can't connect to printer (printer program crashes)
[06:00] <kushalone> GSF1200S: 32 bit, I believe. Ubuntu i686 iso on AMD Athlon XP 2000 MHz
[06:01] <kushalone> (I burned my own CD and I chose the default 32 bit download)
[06:01] <mbt> TravisO, Have you reported the kernel issue to Launchpad?  If so, what's the bug number?
[06:02] <bullgard> bbordwell: I did not lock the versions in Synaptic. The DEB program packages are now in /home/detlef/Downloads. How can I install them in order to be able to use my program Kexi in Lucid again?
[06:02] <GSF1200S> kushalone, download flash from adobes website for 32bit linux, create a plugins directory in the .mozilla folder, and put the libflashplayer.so file in there.. restart firefox
[06:02] <GSF1200S> kushalone, done. You can check to make sure it sees it by typing about:plugins in firefox's address bar
[06:03] <kushalone> GSF will try that (Firefox is not running now but I will check anyways)
[06:03] <TravisO> I have, how do I check though?
[06:03] <bbordwell> bullgard, in synaptic install the newer versions, then gdebi should be able to install the .debs you have
[06:03] <GSF1200S> does anyone on here have 10.04 and use notify-osd? I tried asking in #ubuntu and they told me to f off to here..
[06:03] <mbt> TravisO, you should have received email from your bug report, or you can go to Launchpad and look for bugs that you have reported.
[06:03] <bbordwell> Then you should lock them in synaptic so update-manager no longer upgrades them
[06:04] <GSF1200S> kushalone, should work great- thats how I use the alpha flash plugin for 64bit
[06:05] <bullgard> bbordwell: As you will remember, Synaptic does not provide no newer versions of Kexi. Rather, it does not provide any Kexi versions at all.
[06:06] <almoxarife> bullgard: you got a deb in a folder?
[06:06] <TravisO> hmm, looks like I didn't report it
[06:06] <ZykoticK9> GSF1200S, is notify-osd the old verision of OSD or the one that was introduced in karmic?
[06:06] <bullgard> almoxarife: Yes. But not only one but three. All three are needed for the Kexi program.
[06:06] <mbt> UGH. The GNOME people think that "[I] shouldn't have to mess around with mount options, [they] should do the right thing out of the box." *That* is insanely frustrating.
[06:07] <GSF1200S> ZykoticK9, im not sure- does the one you have allow you to configure it at all?
[06:07] <almoxarife> bullgard: use nautilus much?
[06:07] <ZykoticK9> GSF1200S, think it must be the new one - as it's installed on my Lucid.  I use it for Pigdin/Songbird yes.
[06:07] <ZykoticK9> GSF1200S, configure it - no
[06:07] <kushalone> GSF1200S: hah. just checked on system monitor... apparently, Firefox is sleeping.
[06:07] <bullgard> almoxarife: Your question is so short that it is almost not understandable. --  I am using Nautilus much, yes.
[06:08] <GSF1200S> ZykoticK9, can you move it around or do anything with it? If not, its prolly the same version thats in karmic
[06:08] <TravisO> Is there a log that records all the bugs that bring up the crash notification?
[06:08] <GSF1200S> kushalone: killall firefox
[06:08] <ZykoticK9> GSF1200S, no it's locked in that inch below the corner all the time
[06:08] <almoxarife> bullgard: go to the folder that the debs are in using nautilus, click or double click on one of the debs, tell me what happens
[06:09] <kushalone> ok, done. Now to... ugh oops. I need to open firefox again to download flash :P
[06:09] <GSF1200S> ZykoticK9, yeah, same ole crap.. you think theyd do something about that
[06:09] <mbt> TravisO, I think you can find information on crash reports in /var/crash
[06:09] <DanaG> another gnome thing that frustrates me: no option to have both edge-scrolling and two-finger scrolling.
[06:09] <TravisO> got it
[06:09] <ZykoticK9> GSF1200S, i have seen a patch somewhere to move it to the corner (more work then it was worth in my opinion)
[06:10] <almoxarife> DanaG: I can edge scroll, its an option in mouse menu I believe
[06:10] <ZykoticK9> GSF1200S, but that was a patch for Karmic - not sure if it would even work on Lucid
[06:10] <mbt> It stinks; I want a stable desktop environment that gives me tweakables and lets me get work done the way I do it.
[06:10] <bullgard> almoxarife: A program window "Package Installer - Koffice-data" opens.
[06:10] <DanaG> Yeah, but there's no option to allow both edge-scrolling and two-finger scrolling TOGETHER.
[06:10] <DanaG> It's either one or the other.
[06:11] <DanaG> That'
[06:11] <GSF1200S> ZykoticK9, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NotifyOSD   read the first part about implementation for Lucid- It looked as if maybe they were going to do something about it
[06:11] <TravisO> How do I get the address bar back in file browser?
[06:11] <DanaG> That's an entirely artificial limitiation.
[06:11] <almoxarife> bullgard: that is the deb you want installed?
[06:11] <bullgard> almoxarife: It is one of three. Yes.
[06:11] <almoxarife> bullgard: see 'install' on the top right?
[06:12] <bullgard> almoxarife: Yes.
[06:12] <mbt> TravisO, Control+L
[06:12] <TravisO> ah
[06:12] <TravisO> it's different
[06:12] <ZykoticK9> TravisO, / is even faster - if you want it permanently see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/location-bar-in-nautilus
[06:12] <almoxarife> bullgard: press it and it will install, btw, I assume you want something to do with kubuntu?
[06:12] <bbordwell> bullgard, yes but kexi depends of koffice-libs and koffice-data which both have newer versions in synaptic
[06:13] <mbt> ZykoticK9, Ah, that works, too.  I just remember Control+L because it's the same for Web browsers to get to the location bar; tried it accidentally one day out of habit and it worked so I stuck with it.
[06:13] <bullgard> almoxarife: Yes.
[06:13] <TravisO> Ok, i have the latest crash report
[06:13] <ZykoticK9> mbt, i was using ctrl+l till i found out about /
[06:13] <almoxarife> bullgard: then press the install
[06:13] <mbt> TravisO, k, you'll want to file that as a bug, what's the crash report file name?
[06:14] <TravisO> linux-image-2.6.32-17-generic.129960.crash
[06:14] <TravisO> Reporting it
[06:14] <TravisO> Has this issue been confirmed to exist with the upstream kernel? -- what does that mean?
[06:15] <TravisO> ah
[06:15] <kushalone> GSF1200S: so you don't want me to use APT?
[06:15] <kushalone> I guess I need to download the tar.gz then?
[06:15] <mbt> TravisO, The question is whether or not you have tried with a vanilla (e.g., from the official kernel sources at kernel.org) kernel. You probably haven't.
[06:16] <GSF1200S> kushalone, whatever works works.. I dont use apt for flash because it uses this wrapper..
[06:16] <TravisO> wow, this is a lot of work...
[06:16] <mbt> TravisO, Are you using the ubuntu-bug program to report the bug?
[06:16] <GSF1200S> kushalone, its not gonna hurt anything throwing it in a plugins folder
[06:16] <TravisO> mbt: yes
[06:17] <mbt> It should just let you enter a subject and enter a description, unless they've changed the reporting progress for linux kernel bugs
[06:17] <GSF1200S> you download a tarball from adobe, extract the libflashplayer.so, and place it in the plugins folder (that you create) in /home/user/.mozilla
[06:17] <kushalone> k... done now to restart Firefox (:
[06:17] <TravisO> I'm using Report a Problem
[06:18] <mbt> Oh, I see, they added questions to the report process before hitting LP
[06:18] <mbt> You can just say that you're not willing to test an upstream kernel
[06:18] <TravisO> there we go
[06:18] <mbt> That's a pretty advanced sort of thing to do.
[06:18] <TravisO> yeah
[06:18] <TravisO> This problem report is damaged and cannot be processed.
[06:18] <TravisO> IOError(13, 'Permission denied')]
[06:18] <mbt> Oy.
[06:18] <almoxarife> GSF1200S: why so complicated a way to get flash???? what's wrong with taking the deb from adobe thru synaptic?
[06:19] <mbt> TravisO, What's the owner of the crash report?
[06:19] <kushalone> GSF1200S: success! youtube works now XD
[06:19] <TravisO> owner is kernoops
[06:19] <TravisO> not me
[06:20] <mbt> TravisO, try "chmod 666 /var/crash/THE_CRASH_FILE" and try to report again
[06:20] <kushalone> GSF1200S: Thank you very much. (: BTW, if someone else is trying to do what I did... I went to Help > Troubleshooting info to get to the .mozilla directory
[06:20] <GSF1200S> almoxarife, that would work too I guess, but im not familiar with that method: im on 64bit and dont have that luxury
[06:20] <mbt> TravisO, you will probably need to add a "sudo" in front of that, because I forgot it.  Sorry.
[06:20] <TravisO> yep
[06:20] <TravisO> np
[06:21] <TravisO> I should have caught the permissions
[06:21] <GSF1200S> kushalone: glad it helped.. you can get it from the repos too apparently, im on 64bit so i didnt think of that
[06:21] <TravisO> sorry, brain's fried tonight
[06:21] <bullgard> almoxarife: Great! It works! --  Thank you for your help. --  How can I prevent Update manager to delete this program during its next dist-upgrade? Is there something like "pinning" of packages so that they will not be deleted?
[06:21] <mbt> TravisO, mine too, about to head to sleepyland soon myself.
[06:21] <TravisO> Now I got a different one... [Errno 1] Operation not permitted: '/var/crash/linux-image-2.6.32-17-generic.129952.crash'
[06:21] <mbt> TravisO, Alright, just report the bug directly and attach the gzip'd crash file
[06:22] <TravisO> Sure
[06:22] <almoxarife> bullgard: why would update kill it?
[06:22] <GSF1200S> almoxarife, they freeze the flash release dont they? If he does it this way, he can just put a new flashplayer in the plugins folder when it comes out.
[06:22] <bbordwell> bullgard, in synaptic select the packages and then in the package menu press lock package
[06:22] <kushalone> GSF1200S: previously Ubuntu Software Center said it was installed but Firefox would still not work with any flash.
[06:22] <bbordwell> update manager will no longer update it
[06:23] <mbt> TravisO, I have to head out, but if you subscribe me to the bug, I'll look at it tomorrow and see if I can offer any additional advice
[06:23] <TravisO> How does one manually report?
[06:23] <TravisO> thanks
[06:23] <mbt> TravisO, Just select "Subscribe someone else" and add me, I'm mtrausch (mike
[06:23] <mbt> (mike@trausch.us) on LP
[06:23] <DanaG> argh, ubuntu-arm is rather quiet now.
[06:23] <GSF1200S> kushalone, hmmm.. strange. I would check Synaptic and see what flash package it says is installed, but at least it works for you now :)
[06:23] <mbt> TravisO, Try this link:  https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+filebug
[06:23] <crimsun> DanaG: surprise? they're mostly asleep?
[06:23] <almoxarife> bullgard: the debs you selected that can be updated should be allowed to update, anything that does not have an update is left untouched
[06:24] <TravisO> uploading now
[06:24] <bbordwell> almoxarife, Is he still talking about kexi?
[06:24] <randomusr> anyone here having trouble with Flashplayer on youtube? I use the 64 bit release...
[06:24] <DanaG> oh, right... 10:30 PM on pacific (where I am).
[06:24] <mbt> Night everyone.
[06:24] <SNN> hey guys, the guys in #ubuntu redirected me here. I'm having issues using port 80 on a default installation of 10.04. I did "netstat -l -a -n | grep 80" and it returns nothing. I was told to try to telnet into the port 80 on that server. It was unable to establish a connection. Does anyone have any ideas?
[06:24] <GSF1200S> randomusr: I can help you- what issue are you having?
[06:24] <almoxarife> GSF1200S: that's thing, if you didn't use apt or synaptic it won't show up
[06:25] <almoxarife> bbordwell: I believe so
[06:25] <GSF1200S> almoxarife, he says it said it was installed in Ubuntu Software center, which is apt of course.. I dont know what the issue is on his system, but at least it works now..
[06:25] <bbordwell> almoxarife, I orignaly helped him install it, It depends on old versions of koffice-libs and koffice-data, if update manager updates the packages that he manualy installed it will break it
[06:25] <randomusr> so, the full screen button in youtube doesn't work. Also, moving around to different time on the video, and other flash plugin freezes
[06:26] <bullgard> almoxarife: Because the KDE people want to put Kexi into another programming environment. But they do not have a maintainer that maintains Kexi. So I have to use the old established packages for a while until the KDE people provide new DEB packages via Synaptic.
[06:26] <randomusr> When watching hulu by itself it works just fine
[06:26] <bbordwell> bullgard, did you get my message telling you how to stop update-manager from updating them?
[06:26] <GSF1200S> randomusr: the flash that comes with 64bit ubuntu is some kind of wrapper.. I hate it because it freezes and all kinds of crap- do you use Firefox?
[06:26] <randomusr> I'm using the compatable 32 bit flash plugin as opposed to the 64 bit one
[06:26] <randomusr> yes firefox
[06:27] <almoxarife> bullgard: follow bbordwell advice then, you have a strange setup needing special handling
[06:27] <kushalone> 10.0.45.2ubuntu1 as of right now, GSF1200S
[06:27] <bullgard> bbordwell: I have got it. But I have had no time yet to read it and understand it. Just a minute please.
[06:27] <ZykoticK9> randomusr, are you saying "clicking" in flash isn't working?  or just it's freezing?
[06:27] <randomusr> it would be nice to have a fix. GSF1200S, have you tried installing from adobe?
[06:27] <GSF1200S> randomusr: I use the alpha 64bit plugin from adobe, but I have had NO issues, crashes, or problems
[06:28] <GSF1200S> randomusr: if you want, I can tell you how to make that work
[06:28] <kushalone> flashplugin-installer is installed flashplugin-nonfree is not
[06:28] <randomusr> Zykotick, clicking in general on youtube video, sometimes flash video doesn't load or it hangs when multiple flash is loaded
[06:28] <Imunalia> I think I have a unique problem, my laptops screen fails to turn back on after closing the lid, any suggestions?
[06:28] <GSF1200S> kushalone, hold on.. let me look
[06:28] <bullgard> bbordwell: Synaptic does not provide these packages any more. So I cannot follow your advice.
[06:29] <ZykoticK9> randomusr, if you want to fix clicking not working see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/clicking-in-flash-not-working (these are the directions for 64bit OS)
[06:29] <randomusr> could someone post the non-free repos
[06:29] <gnomefreak> we kept flashplugin-nonfree so people could update Ubuntu releases without causing issues
[06:29] <TravisO> mbt you leave?
[06:29] <GSF1200S> kushalone: yeah, nonfree is just a transitional package.. I dont know whats up if the flash package is installed but not working- at least it works for you now..
[06:30] <randomusr> gnomefreak, do you mean nonfree comes standard?
[06:30] <randomusr> flash that is
[06:30] <bullgard> bbordwell: More exactly: Synaptic does not provide the main package any more. But it provides newer versions of the two library packages. But the Kexi package cannot cooperate with the newer library versions.
[06:30] <GSF1200S> gnomefreak, right.. I see that, im not saying the package is bad :)
[06:31] <bbordwell> bullgard, you will have to re-install them manualy again. do you still have the .debs you downloaded around?
[06:31] <bullgard> bbordwell: Yes.
[06:31] <GSF1200S> randomusr: if you fail to get it working with the other guys help, we can try the alpha flash plugin from adobe.. works great for me.. let me know
[06:31] <GSF1200S> brb guys
[06:31] <randomusr> ok
[06:32] <GSF1200S> randomusr: ill be back in like 5-8 mins
[06:32] <randomusr> mmmk
[06:32] <bbordwell> bullgard, okay first make sure the newer versions are uninstalled in synaptic. then re-install those packages. once that is done lock the packages in synaptic
[06:33] <DebianUT> can anyone tell me how to fix this? http://www.freeimagehosting.net/uploads/ffc9f64d86.png  thx
[06:33] <bazhang> !controls | DebianUT
[06:33] <kushalone> GSF1200S: Correct me if I am wrong but since we are already in beta, does that mean that 10.04 will ship with this error?
[06:33] <bullgard> bbordwell: How does one "lock" a package in Synaptic?
[06:34] <DebianUT> bazhang: Is not about the button location, please take a look to the minimiza button
[06:34] <DebianUT> bazhang: Is messed up
[06:34] <bbordwell> bullgard, select the package, then select the menu called package on the top of the screen. then select "lock version"
[06:34] <randomusr> again, could someone post the nonfree repos? I want to enjoy the multimedia goodness along with all the non-free goodies
[06:35] <bazhang> DebianUT, I looked, you can switch it back to the 'normal' way
[06:36] <DebianUT> bazhang: no no, I don't want to Move Buttons to Right Side
[06:36] <bbordwell> randomusr, update-manager>settings>software sources> you should be able the check the nonfree repositories there
[06:36] <DebianUT> bazhang: I want the minimize button don't look out of place in the them
[06:36] <DebianUT> thene*
[06:36] <DebianUT> bazhang: In the link you can see how the minimize button is not according to the theme
[06:37] <DebianUT> bazhang: This was after a moved the buttons to the right and moved them back to the left
[06:37] <bazhang> DebianUT, I would suspect that is part of the non-finalized decision on the buttons, as this is beta 1 iirc
[06:37] <GSF1200S> randomusr: search google for medibuntu.. but first lets do this flash
[06:37] <bullgard> bbordwell: I have done as you suggested. --  Will my action not interfere with Update Manager's automatic operation next time?
[06:38] <GSF1200S> randomusr: http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[06:39] <GSF1200S> download the one under download and discuss
[06:39] <GSF1200S> once downloaded, extract the libflashplayer.so file
[06:39] <randomusr> GSF1200S, i'm over the flash thing, I'll mess around with the available versions to come up with a compromise
[06:40] <GSF1200S> go to /home/user/.mozilla and create a directory called plugins, place libflashplayer.so in that folder, and restart firefox, done
[06:40] <ZykoticK9> DebianUT, how did you move the buttons?  Did you use a PPA to do it?
[06:40] <randomusr> Is there a dummy package/Alias to install most of the non-free codecs and media that one might want?
[06:40] <GSF1200S> randomusr: ok.. easy fix and it should work perfect though.. your call
[06:40] <randomusr> thanks man
[06:40] <tgpraveen12> ubuntu-restricted
[06:41] <ZykoticK9> randomusr, do you mean ubuntu-restricted-extras?
[06:41] <DebianUT> ZykoticK9: I used gconf-editor
[06:41] <randomusr> ZykoticK9, i thought that was just the repository?
[06:41] <ZykoticK9> DebianUT, you minimize and maximize are backwards - the new themes don't allow for that
[06:41] <GSF1200S> ubuntu-restricted-extras or add the repos from medibuntu at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Medibuntu
[06:41] <DebianUT> oh
[06:42] <DebianUT> one sec
[06:42] <ZykoticK9> randomusr, repository?  you mean Medibuntu?
[06:42] <randomusr> And yes I'd like to use the restricted extras, but I want to know if there's a way to install the whole restricted extras using apt-get
[06:42] <randomusr> no no no
[06:42] <ZykoticK9> randomusr, ubuntu-restricted-extras is a package that installs non-free codecs
[06:42] <randomusr> nice
[06:43] <randomusr> how can I enable the repository that they reside in?
[06:43] <DebianUT> ZykoticK9: Thank you, it is the way I wan't it now.
[06:43] <ZykoticK9> DebianUT, glad to help
[06:43] <almoxarife> ubuntu-tweak includes the ppa for adobe flash 64
[06:44] <randomusr> the adobe flash 64 alpha is available to me in the main repos
[06:45] <almoxarife> ubuntu-tweak includes the ppa for adobe flash 64 and medibuntu and a lot of other useful ppa's
[06:46] <randomusr> almoxarife, isn't a ppa just some type of certificate?
[06:47] <randomusr> i really wish my neighbors would stop doing it.....
[06:48] <almoxarife> randomusr: ppa is a source for deb packages outside the main repos
[06:48] <randomusr> meh, why would anyone want that?
[06:48] <voidmage> i know when the default flash on 64 bit crashes it just takes out npviewer and makes the flash objects gray
[06:49] <voidmage> but back when i used 32 it would take down firefox with it
[06:49] <voidmage> how does the 64 bit flash handle crashes?
[06:49] <vish> !schedule
[06:49] <randomusr> voidmage, I had the same problem with the 64 bit and 32 bit flash plugin on 64 bit ubuntu
[06:49] <SNN> Does anyone know why port 80 might be used from a default install of 10.04?
[06:50] <kushalone> I think Firefox 3.7 separates flash as a part of spidermonkey project or something
[06:50] <voidmage> randomusr do you mean that firefox is taken down with flash, or flash objects go gray?
[06:52] <randomusr> the flash area becomes grey without ever playing but this is genereally true for 64 bit
[06:53] <randomusr> although, this occasionally occurs with the 32 bit wrapped version of flash player when using a 64 bit kernel
[06:53] <voidmage> that's what happens for me (64-bit ubuntu 32 bit flash with nspluginwrapper)
[06:53] <randomusr> it sucks, I don't think there's a fix for it
[06:54] <voidmage> i still prefer that to firefox getting taken down with flash which is what happened last time i used ubuntu 32 bit
[06:54] <voidmage> that was back around edgy or feisty though
[06:54] <randomusr> i trade functionality depending on what I want to work in flash
[06:55] <randomusr> voidmage, you should use the 64 bit plugin and scrap the 32 bit wrapped version
[06:55] <voidmage> the important thing to me is that when flash crashes, firefox isn't taken down with it
[06:55] <voidmage> so if the 64 bit plugin starts crashing firefox that's no good for me, i'd rather deal with the gray boxes
[06:55] <randomusr> got rid of boxee damnit
[06:56] <randomusr> nice
[06:56] <randomusr> so boxee doesn't work with 64-bit?
[06:56] <randomusr> that sucks arse
[06:56] <voidmage> i don't know, i don't use boxee
[06:58] <randomusr> don't matter, is just bites that it don't work with 64 bit sorta
[06:58] <randomusr> I'd have to use 32 bit flash i think. weird
[06:59] <randomusr> is there a way to get my system to auto update supported packages without having to authenticate each time?
[07:00] <voidmage> system->administration->software sources->updates
[07:00] <voidmage> there's an option to auto install security updates
[07:00] <voidmage> doesn't look like you can get more specific than that
[07:03] <randomusr> i hope it don't break anything
[07:11] <SNN> mk thanks guys
[07:12] <LLStarks> ayaya
[07:12] <LLStarks> what has keybuk done?
[07:12] <LLStarks> he pulled in plymouth-theme-fade-in
[07:12] <LLStarks> why?
[07:13] <bullgard> Why is indicator-applet not shown on my Lucid computer? The DEB program packages 'indicator-applet' and 'indicator-applet-session' are installed.
[07:14] <voidmage> LLStarks: is that why my screen fades after coming out of lock or screensaver?
[07:15] <voidmage> or is that something else?
[07:16] <LLStarks> no.
[07:29] <jleeperry> does anyone in here know of a good way to convert a full .avi movie to MPEG-4?
[07:31] <genii> ffmpeg
[07:31] <jleeperry> okay.
[07:31] <DanaG> avidemux works, too, if you want a gui.
[07:32] <jleeperry> Okay, thanks much :_
[07:32] <jleeperry> :)
[07:42] <almoxarife> lost the weather condition portion of the date applet, that happen to anyone else?
[08:18] <ZykoticK9> genii, just as an FYI MPEG4 typically uses AAC as the audio and due to bug #374900 ffmpeg can't output AAC currently - Handbrake is a much better suggestion right now
[08:19] <genii> ZykoticK9: Ah, good to know, thanks.
[08:39] <bullgard> Why is indicator-applet not shown on my Lucid computer? The DEB program packages 'indicator-applet' and 'indicator-applet-session' are installed.
[08:42] <gnomefreak> i recall this question hours ago and answered by crimsun
[08:45] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, are you experienced is using gdb to get backtraces?
[08:45] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: depends i have been yes but havent needed to since apport has gotten good at it
[08:47] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, ah I have a bug (not a crash) and the upstream developer at GNOME wanted a backtrace, i did one and he said this
[08:47] <bbordwell> To get a useful stack trace, you'll need to run rhythmbox under gdb with '-D
[08:47] <bbordwell> something' as arguments.  It will then break at the point where it's printing
[08:47] <bbordwell> the error messages about g_object_ref and g_object_unref, which is where I want
[08:47] <bbordwell> a stack trace.
[08:47] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: mainly you need to make sure you have all the needed debug packages
[08:47] <bbordwell> the error messages he was refering to were printed in a terminal
[08:49] <gnomefreak> ok i know its really really early but you still were ablet o confuse me. what was it that you did that you shouldnt have?
[08:50] <bbordwell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rhythmbox/+bug/543892
[08:50] <bbordwell> there is the bug
[08:51] <bbordwell> on there is the error messages that get printed out when i run rhythmbox in a terminal, and in the upstream bug are my backtraces
[08:52] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, I did not know about the debugging symbols when i did the backtrace, i have since installed them
[08:52] <bbordwell> this is my first backtrace and I am not realy sure what the upstream developer is asking me to do
[08:54] <gnomefreak> doesnt apport-collect 543892 work?
[08:55] <gnomefreak> oh and upstream always says ....works for me :)
[08:55] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, I have noticed....
[08:56] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, my apport information is already on the bug
[08:56] <gnomefreak> i still dont see rhythmbox-plug-in-cdrecorder in archives
[08:56] <bbordwell> but since it is not a crash it does not provide a backtrace
[08:57] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, there is no dash between plug and in
[08:57] <gnomefreak> oh good point
[08:58] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: ther eis a wiki on how to create stacktraces (dont recall what it is atm)
[08:58] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, yes thats how i figured out how to do the first one
[08:58] <gnomefreak> but it didnt give you stacktrace did it?
[08:59] <bbordwell> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[08:59] <gnomefreak> mind you ive been up for well over 36 hours
[08:59] <bbordwell> I used that, i made a backtrace which i uploaded to GNOME but the devoloper was unhappy with what i did
[09:00] <bbordwell> well not unhappy, but said i needed to do something else
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> Heh - when are they ever happy.
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:01] <AbortD> whenever i add a new icon to my top bar in gnome it has a white background is there any fix for this
[09:01] <AbortD> i have tried google with no help
[09:02] <gnomefreak> AbortD: karmic support in #ubuntu
[09:02] <AbortD> im in lucid
[09:02] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: did you try https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Strace
[09:02] <AbortD> not karmic
[09:02] <gnomefreak> stack trace is not the same as back*
[09:02] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, I will take a look at it
[09:02] <gnomefreak> AbortD: than what ar eyou using?
[09:03] <AbortD> lucid
[09:03] <gnomefreak> AbortD: why were you asking for suport in #ubuntu for Lucid?
[09:03] <AbortD> cause it helps sometimes
[09:03] <AbortD> but now i need support in here
[09:03] <AbortD> so can you help me
[09:05] <gnomefreak> AbortD: that is not a Lucid bug but more of a theme bug. some icons turn out with white background when applied to a color panel and so on. It would depends on the icon and the theme you are using
[09:05] <shinjitestroch> Any netbook or eee users out there?
[09:05] <gnomefreak> shinjitestroch: best to ask your question
[09:06] <AbortD> there a way i can fix it gnomefreak
 whenever i add a new icon to my top bar in gnome it has a white background is there any fix for this
[09:06] <bbordwell>  i have tried google with no help
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> try different themes.
[09:06] <bbordwell> oops sorry
[09:07] <gnomefreak> AbortD: im not sure that would depend on the exact problem and what has been tried
[09:07] <AbortD> bbordwell, i am asking the same thing
[09:07] <AbortD> what bbordwell said
[09:07] <Dr_Willis> 0_o
[09:07] <AbortD> i changed themes and it works on the high contrast ones
[09:07] <gnomefreak> AbortD: you are using alltray?
[09:07] <AbortD> no
[09:07] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, I am that bothers me....
[09:07] <AbortD> this is gmail notifier
[09:07] <gnomefreak> AbortD: what theme are you using?
[09:08] <AbortD> ambiance
[09:08] <AbortD> it happens in all tray too though
[09:08] <AbortD> with whatever i add
[09:08] <gnomefreak> that is why (most likely) there are a few bugs ont hat theme
[09:08] <gnomefreak> s/ont hat/on that
[09:08] <AbortD> all the dark themes do the same
[09:08] <AbortD> except high contrast
[09:09] <gnomefreak> AbortD: its the light-theme package
[09:09] <gnomefreak> i suggest filing a bug on it but im fairly sure it is already filied however i went through >500 bugs in last 8 hours
[09:10] <ZykoticK9> AbortD, bug #532403
[09:10] <AbortD> looks like im stuck with light themes
[09:10] <shinjitestroch> Ok I upgraded from the update manager and also went through with partial upgrade unwittingly. My fault. So boot into the development version and first message to pop up is plymoth won't connect or something like that. The system then boots into what I'm guessing is xserver but has 10.04 beta at the bottom. I've tried what the people have told me in this forum so far no luck
[09:10] <shinjitestroch> http://forum.eeeuser.com/viewtopic.php?id=84149
[09:10] <gnomefreak> ZykoticK9: thanks saves me a trip
[09:10] <ZykoticK9> gnomefreak, that happens to be a bug i reported the day after light-theme came out
[09:11] <gnomefreak> ZykoticK9: i would remember it too :)
[09:11] <gnomefreak> shinjitestroch: did the commands work for you?
[09:11] <AbortD> it said fix released but no link....
[09:12] <shinjitestroch> Also I have installed and created a new partition, but I cannot find that one in the boot menu. Just xp and the linux option.
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  ive often had to go to the console and update/upgrade with 10.04 to get things working.
[09:12] <gnomefreak> update dist-upgrade - install ect...
[09:12] <rabbit1> guys, i am trying with 10.04, will give u lot of bugs, be ready ;)
[09:12] <shinjitestroch> The commands partially workedd I think.
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  a new partition to do what?
[09:12] <Mike1> good Morning!
[09:12] <shinjitestroch> A new partition using the Live CD install instead.
[09:12] <Mike1> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/505452 this bug is still affecting me … please fix it! it’s easy!
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  if you have a linux entry.. then that is the linux partiion.
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  or else we are confused about what you mean
[09:13] <shinjitestroch> It is on the system somewhere on a split partition. I am running on a duel boot system.
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:   dual boot = windows and linux. so you are expecting what? a 2nd lnux entry?
[09:13] <shinjitestroch> The Live CD version.
[09:14] <shinjitestroch> Yeah I know sounds silly right.
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> You just said you upgraded..  not installed new.. or did you do both?
[09:14] <shinjitestroch> I upgraded first.
[09:14] <gnomefreak> Mike1: than feel free to fix it if its "easy" as you say
[09:15] <bbordwell> mike1, that bug is marked as triaged, that tells the devolpers that it is ready to be worked on so it should hopefuly get fixed soon
[09:15] <gnomefreak> Mike1: i also think you and shinjitestroch are having same bug. shinjitestroch please confirm
[09:15] <shinjitestroch> Then when that did not work, I figured I try a complete new install side by side with xp and the partially upgraded ubuntu. I have no clue where. Give me  sec to confirm first time in irc I know total nub.
[09:16] <Mike1> bbordwell: but it’s importance is low! :-(
[09:17] <shinjitestroch> I don't think it is the same error.
[09:17] <shinjitestroch> No such device showed once I think.
[09:18] <shinjitestroch> That was before I hit partial upgrade.
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  if you want to do a clean install. you could repartition the disk and delete the old linux partitions and let the installer remake them. Or tell the installer to use the old / and swap.
[09:18] <shinjitestroch> Which basically removed all the well very essential packages needed for UI and apps too.
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  you cood of tried to fix the upgrded install also.. but that may be  a bigger issue now.
[09:19] <shinjitestroch> Yeah I realize that.
[09:19] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  you have any imporntant stuff on there you want to save?
[09:19] <shinjitestroch> If it is possible to save xp since this is essentially the back up OS I'm using.
[09:19] <gnomefreak> Mike1: low is because its not hindering the use of any running apps
[09:19] <Dr_Willis> deleting the linux partitions will not affect xp
[09:20] <shinjitestroch> Ok, I thought you were thinking of formatting the whole hard drive.
[09:20] <gnomefreak> most theme bugs are low
[09:20] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, his bug is not the theme bug
[09:20] <shinjitestroch> Yeah I have no problem with losing data.
[09:20] <bbordwell> his keyboard is not working correctly
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  delete the old linux partitions and let the installer remake them. Or tell the installer to use the old / and swap.
[09:21] <gnomefreak> oh thats right
[09:21] <bbordwell> mike1, what are hotkeys exactly?
[09:21] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: sorry im still wishing to sleep but you can see how well that is working
[09:21] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  or use a /  a /home and a  swap partition. If you want to be fancy :)
[09:21] <AbortD> its high priority
[09:22] <Mike1> bbordwell: the keys for volume up/down, wlan on/off etc.
[09:22] <shinjitestroch> Walk me through, if anything I would like to avoid using the live cd installer since that would require a reboot and takes very long just to get to the desktop.
[09:22] <bbordwell> mike1, the only thing i can tell you is to look at this https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance
[09:22] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  a long time? thats  odd.. takes me all of 30 sec to get to the desktop here on even my old machines
[09:22] <bbordwell> if you feel that according to that that it should be higher than low then post it to ubunut-bugs
[09:23] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  what are you on right now?
[09:23]  * gnomefreak wonders why you are not using latest kernel makes me think update isnt complete
[09:23] <shinjitestroch> XP, the factory version of xp this EEE came with.
[09:23] <bbordwell> mike1, the comment about bugs making the keyboard not working making the bug a high priority do not apply since they are accessory buttons
[09:24] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, maybe they didn't restart?
[09:24] <abhinav> what are the packages required to get ATI non-free drivers working with lucid ? (and compiz on that)
[09:24] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: it can be alot of issues but still a very low kernel and nothing states if a lower version of kernel will boot
[09:24] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:   so.. you are planing on using a WUBI install  or how ecactly do you plan on installing Linux ?
[09:24] <gnomefreak> and so on
[09:25] <Mike1> bbordwell: it’s not just hotkeys though, it makes it impossible to control the hardware of it (turn W-LAN on/off, use Asus SHE, turn Cam on/off, turn Cardreader on/off etc.)
[09:25] <gnomefreak> 7 releases to be off is too much
[09:26] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: mike are you talking abotu bug 505452?
[09:26] <shinjitestroch> First of all delete Linux completely. Then install it using Live CD. It takes awhile though since I'm gonna guess using an external USB dvd/cd drive is going to make the install process slow. Gotta remember these little netbooks don't have a cd drive.
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  i always make bootable usb install media with a flash drive to install from
[09:27] <gnomefreak> Mike1: the hot keys not working since it cant load the modules is not a high priority however the booting is different but the correct packages and correct versions need to be installed
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> I have a notebook.  it takes it very little time to boot via the usb setup :)
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> and i find the USB flash installer tobe faster then via cd
[09:28] <ZykoticK9> abhinav, for ATI see (i don't have an ATI card so I don't personally know) https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/494699
[09:28] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  so do you have a 10.04 cd? You may want to grab the latest daily build.
[09:28] <shinjitestroch> Heh don't I know flash drives are nice. Mine have essentially run out of write cycles. I have used them as a live cd before. Yes I have the 10.04 cd on a blank dvd if that matters
[09:29] <abhinav> ZykoticK9: I have the latest package. Compiz doesn't work .. not sure what's wrong
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> cd on a dvd? thats weird.
[09:29] <gnomefreak> also can you confirm https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/505452/comments/20 works
[09:29] <ZykoticK9> abhinav, sorry i really can't help with that - no ATI here
[09:29] <abhinav> ZykoticK9: sure, np ..
[09:29] <gnomefreak> these are things that we need to know before we change importance/status ect...
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> You can delete the partitioons from windows if you wanted to. or delete them after you boot the live-cd
[09:30] <shinjitestroch> From windows would be good.
[09:30] <shinjitestroch> I'll go search that now. Didn't think it was possible.
[09:31] <bbordwell> mike1, go to #ubuntu-bugs and write that you think it should be high based on the fact that it causes your laptop built-in wireless not to work, and based on this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Bugs/Importance it should be high
[09:31] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: i gave info that would be helpful to answer beofre it is changed
[09:32] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: Mike1 please update bug with latest package versions and if work around works ect... comment it on bug report
[09:33] <gnomefreak> Setting acpi_osi=Linux  work around being the biggest
[09:33]  * gnomefreak smoke
[09:33]  * bbordwell thinks gnomefreak should sleep instead
[09:34] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: that would be great but i would wake up wife if i cant so smoke is best choice ;)
[09:37] <AbortD> can i revert my theme packages to fix it gnome freak?
[09:37] <AbortD> uninstall and install a older version
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> AbortD:  you are thinking in windows terms
[09:39] <AbortD> hahaha
[09:39] <Dr_Willis> Unnstalling packages do NOT alter the users settings. and if you reinstall a package that has a bug.. well you just reinstalled the buggy bersion
[09:40] <AbortD> reinstalling the older package that doesnt have the bug
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> update/upgrade - see if the bnug vanishes.. also make a new user - see if they hae the issue
[09:40] <Dr_Willis> whats the point in using an olde version when a fix may be hrs away
[09:40] <AbortD> i am up to date
[09:40] <AbortD> maybe not haha
[09:42] <gnomefreak> ok ill make it real easy use the following command and than ask for importance to be bumped. command is apport-collect 505452
[09:43] <AbortD> hm
[09:44] <gnomefreak> fairly simple patch too
[09:46] <AbortD> cant login
[09:48] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, the rhythmbox devel is working now and we are communicating, we seem to be getting somewhere :)
[09:48] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: cool
[09:49] <shinjitestroch> Oh man finding a simple command for deleting the partitions is hard.
[09:49] <almoxarife> anyone else have the vanishing weather applet?
[09:50] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  learn the partioning tools.. dont look formagical commands
[09:50] <bbordwell> almoxarife, Any steps to reproduce?
[09:50] <bbordwell> you mean the weather thing in add to panel?
[09:50] <almoxarife> bbordwell: not that I know of
[09:51] <almoxarife> bbordwell: yeap, that one
[09:51] <almoxarife> bbordwell: maybe not, the weather next to date/time
[09:51] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: almoxarife any chance it is not updating?
[09:52]  * gnomefreak has weather applet and it works but i have seen a few bugs on it not updating
[09:52] <bbordwell> mine just says 0
[09:52] <almoxarife> gnomefreak: mine may have been the single instance
[09:52] <gnomefreak> 39 here
[09:52] <bbordwell> buts its not that cold here
[09:52] <almoxarife> 55f here
[09:52] <shinjitestroch> great windows can't see linux. It only sees itself and the factory settings on the d drive.
[09:52] <shinjitestroch> oh boy!
[09:52] <gnomefreak> 39f here giv eor take
[09:52] <bbordwell> there we go
[09:52] <bbordwell> 37
[09:53] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, where are you located you are a pretty similar temp to me
[09:54] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: norht carolina
[09:54] <gnomefreak> norht even
[09:54] <bbordwell> lol not very close....
[09:54] <gnomefreak> ok north
[09:54] <bbordwell> im in iowa
[09:54] <gnomefreak> yeah not so close
[09:54] <almoxarife> sunny seattle
[09:55] <bbordwell> when i tell people i am from iowa they usualy ask about the potatoes........
[09:55] <bbordwell> then i have to inform them that idaho has the potatoes
[09:55] <gnomefreak> if it wasnt 4:55am here i might have thought of that
[09:55] <almoxarife> bbordwell: how's the corn?
[09:55] <bbordwell> almoxarife, Very good!
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> We got corn here in Indiana. :) and SOybeans.. and Pigs. :P
[09:56] <bbordwell> haha good to see some people know the Midwestern states
[09:56] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, yep same store here
[09:56] <Dr_Willis> and we are one of the largest producers of Ducks :)
[09:56] <bbordwell> - the ducks
[09:56] <almoxarife> we got barristas here
[09:57] <bbordwell> almoxarife, I feel like that was supposed to be funny but it went completly over my head
[09:57] <gnomefreak> let try to leave "funny" in #ubuntu-offtopic please
[09:57] <almoxarife> bbordwell: barristas=the helpers(usually female) at coffee stands
[09:59] <bbordwell> almoxarife, ah
[09:59] <bbordwell> seattle has lots of bikers right?
[10:00] <Dr_Willis> Nice i9mprovement they made to burning iso files in 10.04 - you can just pop in disk after disk and it keeps making copies. :)
[10:01] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, are you able to make audio CD's?
[10:01] <bbordwell> not working for me....
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> I rarely try to make Music cd's
[10:01] <Dr_Willis> perhaps 3 a year. :) heh
[10:02] <bbordwell> oddly enough i was able to use the make image function in brasero to make an image of my audio cd, and then burn that to a disk
[10:02] <gnomefreak> maybe try something other than rythmbox it should work great :)
[10:02] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, nope brasero does not work for me either.....unless i use that work around ^
[10:03] <gnomefreak> i cant make an audio cd way too much music to burn so i keep it on a dvd
[10:03] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, do you not have a car?
[10:03] <gnomefreak> gnomebaker still my favorite
[10:03] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, well i guess i use my ipod in my car...
[10:03] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: i have a few cars
[10:03] <gnomefreak> 1 have 3 wife has 1
[10:04] <gnomefreak> s/1/i
[10:04] <bbordwell> nice, i have 1 car + one motorcycle
[10:05]  * gnomefreak still looking for a buyer for my bike but too many more important things have come up but i havent used it in a few maybe 4 years
[10:05]  * bbordwell puts 3x as many miles on my bike than my car
[10:05] <gnomefreak> can we please move non support stuff to #ubuntu-offtopic before i have to remove myself and others
[10:05] <skhater> i have dvb-s twinhan 1027 card and ubuntu 10.4 beta1
[10:05] <ZykoticK9> skhater you might want to see bug #268846 (this is an old, non-lucid bug mind you)
[10:05] <bbordwell> haha sorry
[10:06] <skhater> how can i install that dvb-s
[10:09] <Dr_Willis> if support for it has been removed from the kernel.. well..
[10:09] <Dr_Willis> its possible a kernel update may sometime fix it..
[10:09] <bullgard> Why is indicator-applet not shown on my Lucid computer? The DEB program packages 'indicator-applet' and 'indicator-applet-session' are installed.
[10:10] <gnomefreak> there is a patch but havent looked to see if it is sane or not
[10:10] <shinjitestroch> ok well deleted linux from disk management.
[10:10] <ZykoticK9> Dr_Willis, skhater that's actually an error on my part - different model #
[10:10] <shinjitestroch> Deleted instantly though will be back hopefully.
[10:10] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  would of been faster to learn to use the tools on the live cd i think. :)
[10:11] <shinjitestroch> Yeah probably, but for now being new I should be safe about things you know. What I will do now is reboot and hopefully come back lol.
[10:11] <ZykoticK9> skhater, another old post (that probably doesn't help at all) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=993967
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> with linu deleted.. xp wont boot.. becuase of no grub files shinjitestroch ....
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> so its going tobe Live cd. or install.. shinjitestroch  :)
[10:13] <shinjitestroch> Wait you are telling me xp won't boot because the boot loader used before linux was deleted by it and replaced by the duel boot loader oh boy so much for sleep.
[10:13] <shinjitestroch> So live cd installing inside windows or what?
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> You just deleted the linux partitions.. that removed the GRUB boot and config files.. but not the grub mbr
[10:14] <Dr_Willis> You now must boot the live cd and install linux.. or restore the windows bootloader  if  you want to get to XP.
[10:14] <kklimonda> good morning
[10:14] <bbordwell> kklimonda, good morning
[10:14] <shinjitestroch> Joy joy.
[10:15] <shinjitestroch> What did you mean by the daily build?
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> !daily
[10:15] <Dr_Willis> a daily build will save you a few 100+mb of downooads/updates after you install
[10:16] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, plus have the latest version of ubiquity and any of the bug fixes related with it
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> i wonder how daily-live differs from daily
[10:17] <bbordwell> though i suppose there is that new update installer button....
[10:17] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, it is a live CD
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> yea - thats a nice feature
[10:17] <bbordwell> the other is not
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> so daily = server and alt cd's ?
[10:17] <Dr_Willis> dailyl0live = the desktop cd.
[10:17] <bbordwell> i think just alt
[10:17] <bbordwell> i think server has its own site right?
[10:17] <bbordwell> could be wrong though
[10:18] <shinjitestroch> So what you are saying is one of the files will update the ISO I already have?
[10:18] <shinjitestroch> How is that done?
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> shinjitestroch:  No... the daily build isos are Updated ISO's
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> there is also a feature to update the installer.. but thats  not the same thing
[10:18]  * gnomefreak has script do it for me :)
[10:18] <Dr_Willis> Daily - has not much in it.. daily-build has the iso files for ubuntu
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> but no sign of kubuntu :) or UNR dailies
[10:19] <shinjitestroch> Right so what did you mean by saving me a few 100mb?
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> the iso you hjave installs OLDER versions
[10:20] <bbordwell> shinjitestroch, If you use the daily cd image it is up to date, if you use beta you will have to download all the updates from since beta came out
[10:20] <Dr_Willis> thers 200+mb of updates a day here from what ive seen
[10:20] <gnomefreak> shinjitestroch: if you use zsync or rsync you can download the ISO once than use either one to update it (without re downloading the whole image)
[10:20] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, That sounds realy cool but i have no idea how do do what you just said
[10:21] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: i have a few scripts do it for me
[10:21] <shinjitestroch> Yeah that's what I was thinking of having to download the whole image again.
[10:21] <bbordwell> shinjitestroch, haha good point 200mb for updates is less than 600mb for a new image....
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> im seeint perhaps 200mb a DAY of updates :)  so from beta1 to current may be 500+ mb of updates
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> I dont see a lubuntu daily build. Hmm
[10:22] <bbordwell> dr_willis, many of these are the same packages getting upgraded over and over though
[10:22] <shinjitestroch> Alright downloaded do I just insert cd and open zsync and follow the instructions?
[10:23] <ZykoticK9> my apt-cache since Beta1 is 538MB
[10:23] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: this script does both live nad alt. ISO's you would have to make changes to where they are saved http://paste.ubuntu.com/403700/
[10:23] <gnomefreak> i rather like the rsync scripts more coltrol over them
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> bbordwell:  yep. So your MB may vary :)
[10:24] <gnomefreak> someone else did all the hard work i just update as needed
[10:24] <bbordwell> ZykoticK9, how do you get that value?
[10:24] <st4aluck> My laptop freezes when I switch from AC to battery. On 8.04 I have no problems with it. Can sombody help me please!!!!
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> and openoffice updates are proberly 1/2 the updates
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> st4aluck:  check for bug reports on  the issuye yet?
[10:24] <st4aluck> Dr_Willis: Nop
[10:24] <ZykoticK9> bbordwell, i have a number of VMs so I create a folder with all the updates and copy them to each VM (to easy downloading from server)
[10:25] <gnomefreak> now that i dont think i saw but i have seen some ac->battery bugs
[10:25] <bbordwell> ZykoticK9, ahh
[10:25] <bbordwell> st4aluck, I am looking for a bug report on your issue
[10:26] <st4aluck> Dr_Willis: it's not only on 10.04 but the same on 9.10
[10:27] <st4aluck> bbordwell: Where to send it
[10:28] <bbordwell> you will want to use the command "ubuntu-bug gnome-power-manager" to make a report
[10:28] <gnomefreak> it would be nice to find the app that is causing it so you can use ubuntu-bug to reprort it :)
[10:28] <gnomefreak> ah good chooice
[10:28] <gnomefreak> run it without the "
[10:28]  * gnomefreak back to my script updating
[10:29] <Dr_Willis> I wonder how well Lubuntu is getting along. I dont see it even having a directroy at the daily-build servers
[10:30] <Dr_Willis> wasent it suppsed to be an officially supported variant this release?
[10:30] <gnomefreak> Dr_Willis: yes and i think it is at least since we have packages in our repos
[10:30]  * gnomefreak broke something :(
[10:31] <Dr_Willis> Id like lubuntu more - if it used a different file manager. :)
[10:31] <st4aluck> bbordwell:  I've just tested it on live 8.04 and it works but with live Knoppix which has the same kernel as 10.04 doesn't
[10:31] <AbortD> gnomefreak, it happens to all of my themes if i change the color to the background
[10:32] <AbortD> it will adapt to the default though
[10:32] <gnomefreak> AbortD: that doesnt change much of what i said i dont think just please dont ask me to remember thats really really hard to do atm
[10:33] <bbordwell> st4aluck, are you trying to say it may be a kernel bug?
[10:33] <AbortD> :P remember
[10:33] <gnomefreak> AbortD: bbordwell would remember every word i said i think
[10:33] <AbortD> i remember
[10:33] <AbortD> i tried the command
[10:33] <gnomefreak> not likley a kernel bug
[10:33] <AbortD> it said i wasnt the one that posted the bug
[10:33] <AbortD> i know
[10:33] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: g-p-m uses the kenrel modules i think
[10:33] <bbordwell> st4aluck, does knoppix use GNOME?
[10:34] <gnomefreak> it does
[10:34] <gnomefreak> may not just be gnome
[10:34] <mfraz74> how do i reset the apperance settings back to the defaults for UNR?
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> mfraz74:  i often delete all the config files in my users home.
[10:34] <Dr_Willis> but thats a bit extreme
[10:34] <AbortD> i updated and mythbuntu was installed :P
[10:34] <gnomefreak> mfraz74: system>preferences>appearence  maybe it has use defaults or reset to defaults
[10:35] <bbordwell> Dr_Willis, I seem to remember a bug a while back about GDM not working if you deleted the config fiel
[10:35] <mfraz74> can't see any button that says reset or defaults
[10:35]  * gnomefreak deletes Dr_Willis's homes dir
[10:36] <bbordwell> st4aluck, Perhaps try a kubuntu image and see if it has the same problem.
[10:36] <gnomefreak> mfraz74: than there is a good chance you will need to find where the settings are held
[10:36] <st4aluck> bbordwell: I am on Kubuntu
[10:37] <bbordwell> ahh
[10:37] <bbordwell> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/481312
[10:37] <bbordwell> thats not your bug, but looks like there are some issues with connecting/disconnecting the power
[10:37] <st4aluck> ubottu: it'''s not the same problem. I have no problem here
[10:38] <mfraz74> gnomefreak: i was hoping i wouldn't have to do that
[10:39] <st4aluck> bbordwell: so I have to open new thread then!?!?!
[10:39] <shinjitestroch> Oh boy
[10:39] <shinjitestroch> Install time go...
[10:39] <shinjitestroch> bbs?
[10:39] <bbordwell> st4aluck, you could perhaps comment on that bug report about your problem, could have the same root cause
[10:40] <bbordwell> in which case it would be the same bug with different symptoms
[10:40] <st4aluck> bbordwell: I'll do
[10:40] <yofel> st4aluck: you use KDE?
[10:40] <Imperion> someone explain to me why the hell does my screen change its shape very slightly while I'm using gnome-terminal
[10:41] <bbordwell> yofel, yes he does
[10:41] <Imperion> e.g., when I'm selecting text
[10:41] <st4aluck> yofel: Yes
[10:41] <Imperion> it stretches vertically
[10:41] <yofel> bbordwell: then him commenting on a bug about gnome-power-manager wouldn't make much sense
[10:41] <bbordwell> yofel, good point
[10:41] <st4aluck> yofel: I said I am on Kubuntu but it doesn't matter the gnome is the same
[10:41] <Imperion> at least when it's maximized
[10:41] <yofel> I would either blame linux or pm-utils I guess
[10:42] <mfraz74> is firefox 3.6 going to be updated before release?
[10:42] <bbordwell> mfraz74, yes
[10:42] <mfraz74> good :)
[10:42] <bbordwell> mfraz74, you mean to 3.6.2?
[10:42] <AbortD> well i upgraded lucid from the upgrade manager now it says im booting into mythbuntu
[10:42] <AbortD> i think i may as well go to karmic
[10:43] <mfraz74>  bbordwell: yes that's what i mean. thought that change was a security issue?
[10:43] <bbordwell> mfraz74, the high profile security issue you are thinking of was windows only AFAIK
[10:44] <bbordwell> but yes there were some smaller issues fixed
[10:44] <bbordwell> it is in the works
[10:44] <bbordwell> almost done AFAIK
[10:44] <shinjitestroch> How can I use zsync within windows?
[10:44] <mfraz74> that's good. heard about the security issues, didn't realise they were windows only though
[10:44] <gnomefreak> shinjitestroch: you cant :) you would have to finda  download for it
[10:45] <bbordwell> mfraz74, not all of them but the high profile one in the news was
[10:45] <gnomefreak> shinjitestroch: not sure if ther eis one but that is always a good starting place. IIRC rsync has a win version
[10:45] <bbordwell> mfraz74, 3.6.2 fixed 111 bugs, i think 8 were secruity issues
[10:45] <gnomefreak> please tell me 3.6.2 doesnt refer to firefox version
[10:46] <bbordwell> sure does
[10:46] <bbordwell> mfraz74, was asking about it
[10:46] <gnomefreak> correct answer was no gnomefreak that refers to windows 3.6.2
[10:46] <shinjitestroch> okay here I go hope I don't crash and burn.
[10:46] <gnomefreak> i dont want to have to fix things
[10:46] <gnomefreak> and if it is why isnt 3.6.2 released that is very easy
[10:47] <bbordwell> windows 3.6.2 is that a real thing?
[10:47] <gnomefreak> idk
[10:47] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, yes he was asking if it would be updated
[10:47] <howlymowly> hi poeple...   -->  i get the following error when updating with aptitude right now:    somehow plymouth got currupted?  I already reinstalled the plymouth package.. but no success...   "/var/lib/dpkg/info/ubuntustudio-plymouth-theme.postinst: 10: /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme: not found"
[10:47] <gnomefreak> firefox 3.6.2 will not be pushed in archives until nss nspr are fixed
[10:47] <gnomefreak> bbordwell: ^^^
[10:48] <bbordwell> gnomefreak, I knew this, mfraz74 is the one looking for that message :)
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> Trying to use the 'usb startup disk creator' tool - Unmount my flash drives . (keeping one plugged in) run the tool.. it then remounts them.. and wont let me reformat  the flash drive. I cant slide the 'live save file' slider either...
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> anyone care to confirm this odd behavior?
[10:48] <ZykoticK9> howlymowly, I think you just need to create a fake file to complete updates "sudo touch /usr/sbin/plymouth-set-default-theme"
[10:49] <ZykoticK9> howlymowly, might need to be set executable as well
[10:49]  * gnomefreak has had 3 people (diff nicks) maybe same user but until nss/nspr are complete we will not be getting updates for it
[10:49] <mfraz74> i got it now!
[10:49] <gnomefreak> i will try to find out monday if i see chris how the progress is
[10:50] <howlymowly> ZykoticK9: but what about the "real" plymouth-set-default-theme then? my plymouthdoes not work, too... will it be fixed in one of the updates?
[10:50] <ZykoticK9> howlymowly, we are all waiting for the "real" fix
[10:50] <howlymowly> ahh..  kk.. i c
[10:57] <bbordwell> ZykoticK9, It did not work at all before the "fake fix"
[10:57] <bbordwell> so much improved :)
[11:01] <gnomefreak> !daily
[11:01] <gnomefreak> hmmm
[11:02] <gnomefreak> well that explains why the script isnt working
[11:05] <gnomefreak> ok seems there is either a problem with the alt. ISOs or they moved. waiting for a response atm
[11:06] <bbordwell> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily/20100327/
[11:06] <bbordwell> couple of days old but its there
[11:08] <mfraz74> that's only yesterday
[11:12] <gnomefreak> that == too much work for tonight
[11:12] <gnomefreak> i have live ISO to fall back on
[11:14] <st4aluck> bbordwell: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[11:19] <parag0n> does anyone else have a problem with passwd not working?
[11:19] <parag0n> i cant create a new user, change any user's passwords or anything
[11:20] <parag0n> this is ubuntu desktop i386, upgraded to lucid from karmic
[11:21] <yofel> parag0n: do you get an error?
[11:22] <parag0n> parag0n@Sylveste:~$ sudo passwd
[11:22] <parag0n> passwd: System error
[11:22] <parag0n> passwd: password unchanged
[11:22] <yofel> why do you use sudo?
[11:22] <parag0n> to change the root password
[11:23] <yofel> you're not supposed to have a root password
[11:23] <yofel> use sudo -i if you need a root shell
[11:23]  * gnomefreak gets the feeling he thinks root and sudo are same
[11:23] <parag0n> i need direct login to the root account, because my account's panel is broken
[11:23] <gnomefreak> well thats a bad idea
[11:23] <parag0n> so i need ot remove my account and recreate
[11:23] <parag0n> then relock the root account
[11:24] <parag0n> either way, passwd is still broken, i cant create a user, change any users password or anything
[11:24] <parag0n> parag0n@Sylveste:~$ passwd
[11:24] <parag0n> Changing password for parag0n.
[11:24] <parag0n> (current) UNIX password:
[11:24] <parag0n> passwd: System error
[11:24] <parag0n> passwd: password unchanged
[11:25] <parag0n> parag0n@Sylveste:~$ sudo adduser test
[11:25] <parag0n> Adding user `test' ...
[11:25] <parag0n> Adding new group `test' (1002) ...
[11:25] <parag0n> Adding new user `test' (1002) with group `test' ...
[11:25] <parag0n> Creating home directory `/home/test' ...
[11:25] <parag0n> Copying files from `/etc/skel' ...
[11:25] <parag0n> passwd: System error
[11:25] <parag0n> passwd: password unchanged
[11:25] <parag0n> anything that uses it fails
[11:26] <yofel> !paste | parag0n
[11:34] <penguin42> hello from summer time
[11:34] <yofel> passwd seems indeed broken o.O
[11:35] <yofel> hi penguin42
[12:09] <KatieKitty> guys, the final release of lucid, the window buttons will still be at the left?
[12:09] <kklimonda> yes
[12:09] <oxymoron> Why on left side if I may ask?
[12:09] <KatieKitty> so the design team refuse to change it back to right?
[12:10] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: refusal would implicate that there is someone in power who wants it changed
[12:11] <KatieKitty> so this means mark has decided not to change it back to right?
[12:11] <jibadeeha> i heard they have moved them to the left to make space for something on the right
[12:12] <KatieKitty> jibadeeha: that is some useless changes.....
[12:12] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: at this time changing this for 10.04 is almost impossible anyway
[12:12] <BUGabundo> m0rning
[12:12] <jibadeeha> KatieKitty, you can move to the right with gconf setting
[12:13] <KatieKitty> jibadeeha: or i can go back to debian........
[12:13] <jibadeeha> http://www.howtogeek.com/howto/13535/move-window-buttons-back-to-the-right-in-ubuntu-10.04/
[12:13] <oxymoron> jibadeeha: Interesting, wonder what its gonna be :)
[12:13] <KatieKitty> it is sad to see this......
[12:13] <jibadeeha> well that is your choice KatieKitty
[12:13] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: or you could change theme
[12:14] <jibadeeha> oxymoron, yeah i can't think of anything useful that they could place on the right
[12:14] <KatieKitty> it is sad to see he community's voice is no longer be heard....
[12:14] <jibadeeha> KatieKitty, ubuntu is not a democracy
[12:14] <oxymoron> If the creator/developer for plymouth on *ubuntu or logo design is here, thank you man/woman your awesome. Finally *buntu going to look better than Windows on bootup
[12:15] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: not really, community voice is overrated
[12:15] <oxymoron> jibadeeha: They could be kind of creative on ubuntu team :P Hopefully standard icon size of the window buttons will be larger.
[12:16] <oxymoron> jibadeeha: I know you can change it yourself, but I personally think default settings should be perfect from the beginning that adept to the largest audience
[12:16] <jibadeeha> oxymoron, i really like the new wave theme and the button icons they used for that theme ... just wish the menu's were a dark gray
[12:17] <kklimonda> oxymoron: largest audience don't really care about it that much
[12:17] <jibadeeha> oxymoron, agree ... wish they would default the buttons to the right
[12:18] <oxymoron> kklimonda: No, but it make it difficult and an annoying moment to fix it. Factory settings could be nice, and doesnt have to look like I dont know ...
[12:18] <kklimonda> oxymoron: they are nice
[12:18] <jibadeeha> i also like the title text to be in the centre
[12:18] <oxymoron> jibadeeha: I havent see the new themes, maybe its time to test ubuntu soon if its gonna look better than kubuntu, but I doubt that :P
[12:19] <oxymoron> kklimonda: They are not nice, especially not in Kubuntu
[12:19] <kklimonda> oxymoron: that's a different distribution
[12:19] <KatieKitty> it is sad to see that the community's voice is no longer be heard......
[12:19] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Yeah, but same core and almost the same concept except for Gnome vs KDE
[12:20] <kklimonda> oxymoron: that doesn't really make sense - GNOME vs KDE is all that really matters
[12:20] <oxymoron> btw, does somebody know how to remove grub from mbr on hdd?
[12:20] <KatieKitty> everyone wants it go back to be at the right side, but ubuntu now has not listen to the community anymore.....
[12:20] <jibadeeha> KatieKitty, it is only the positioning of a set buttons - does it really matter that much?
[12:20] <kklimonda> those are two different platforms for developers and users
[12:20] <KatieKitty> jibadeeha: yes
[12:20] <jibadeeha> KatieKitty, why?
[12:20] <kklimonda> because!
[12:20] <jibadeeha> because of what?
[12:20] <kklimonda> change is bad yadda yadday
[12:20] <KatieKitty> jibadeeha: it shows that the developers do not care about the community
[12:21] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Whats the difference?
[12:21] <jibadeeha> KatieKitty, i don't think that is true
[12:21] <topyli> the developers are the community. fyi
[12:21] <kklimonda> oxymoron: everything - Ubuntu is a distribution by Canonical and Kubuntu is a community project based on Ubuntu
[12:21] <KatieKitty> jibadeeha: but now it is the facts already.....
[12:21] <jibadeeha> how is it fact?
[12:21]  * oxymoron is happy that developers finally understand GUI does actually matter the experience of *buntu
[12:21] <KatieKitty> kklimonda: the community consist of the users as well.....
[12:22] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Yeah, almost the same in other words ;)
[12:22] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: yes - but "users" as whole have no expertise to make decisions
[12:23] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: FLOSS projects have always been a meritocracies of sort - if you want your voice to be heard prove that it's worth hearing
[12:23] <jibadeeha> KatieKitty, do you think debian works any different in terms of community?
[12:23] <KatieKitty> kklimonda: not everyone accepted to be the developers anyway.....
[12:24] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: what do you mean?
[12:25] <KatieKitty> kklimonda: nothing....
[12:26] <bazhang> !controls
[12:26] <kklimonda> we should add that they are on the left only in the default theme
[12:27] <bazhang> kklimonda, care to suggest an edit to the factoid
[12:28] <fetkmg> You can change it in the GUI with ubuntu tweak
[12:28] <bazhang> fetkmg, is that part of Ubuntu, or a 3rd party
[12:29] <fetkmg> http://ubuntu-tweak.com/
[12:29] <bazhang> 3rd party then
[12:29] <nigelb> bazhang, 3rd party
[12:30] <bazhang> nigelb, thanks :)
[12:30] <KatieKitty> although the default theme only have the buttons at the left
[12:30] <KatieKitty> but this will cause a lot of new users not able to adapt to the changes and decides to not even try ubuntu at all....
[12:30] <bazhang> KatieKitty, not really a support issue
[12:31] <kklimonda> !controls is In Lucid you may notice that the default theme has window controls (min/max/close) on the left side. | For more information please see http://alturl.com/yvgv | To change it back to right side either change the theme or see http://alturl.com/x5d6 for how to change button location and order using the terminal.
[12:31] <nigelb> you need a <reply> ?
[12:31] <KatieKitty> kklimonda: users who are not familiar with this will not even care to search for this......
[12:32] <bazhang> yep, can add no problem :)
[12:32] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: it's for us
[12:32] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: so we don't have to type it every time someone asks the question
[12:32] <bazhang> KatieKitty, join the mailing list or #ubuntu-offtopic please
[12:32] <nigelb> KatieKitty, you can talk about in on the ayatana mailing list if you want.  this is not the place, please
[12:32] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: and if users are not willing to accomodate this change then Ubuntu (and Linux desktop) have way bigger problems
[12:32] <KatieKitty> ok
[12:33] <KatieKitty> kklimonda: only ubuntu, not others that is using gnome... :P
[12:33] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: if users are not able to change such a small habit then they won't be able to use Linux at all.
[12:34] <KatieKitty> kklimonda: it is changes to adapt for ubuntu only in this case, not other distros....
[12:34] <KatieKitty> ppl do not expect they have to threat ubuntu like Mac while closing a window....
[12:34]  * yofel doesn't get why ubuntu has to look like every other distro out there
[12:35] <KatieKitty> we are penguins, we are not fruit....
[12:35] <bazhang> !ot
[12:35] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: I see no difference - Ubuntu is not "yet another linux distribution", we want to change the way that people see linux on desktops
[12:35] <kklimonda> bazhang: is it really that offtopic?
[12:35] <kklimonda> we should have a #ubuntu-future channel probably
[12:35] <bazhang> kklimonda, seems to be so, as it is more meta, than support
[12:35] <kklimonda> or #ubuntu-advocacy
[12:35] <bazhang> ubuntu-gripes
[12:35] <yofel> bazhang: this is a discussion channel too
[12:35] <kklimonda> bazhang: it's a discussion about development release though
[12:36] <[TGA]> hiho/2
[12:37] <KatieKitty> i really hope that the design team do consider about what the ppl suggest for change it back to right side...
[12:37] <KatieKitty> coz myself do not hope that ubuntu loses support from the ppl and hop back to debian or knopix
[12:37] <yofel> KatieKitty: there is a bug about making it theme-dependent, then you can just change the theme if you don't like it
[12:38] <void^_> are they going to make this themeable now, or is it going to remain on the level of dirty metacity workarounds?
[12:38] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: they won't consider what people suggests - they will consider raw data that they are able to gather
[12:38] <kklimonda> yofel: it's already done
[12:38] <KatieKitty> yofel: this is not the issue of personal preference....
[12:38] <yofel> KatieKitty: it is...
[12:38] <yofel> kklimonda: oh, didn't know :)
[12:39] <oxymoron> I have installed grub 1.98 but when do grub-install -v I got (grub-install (GNU GRUB 1.97+experimental), is that correct? :S
[12:39] <cemc> how can I disable hdd spindown on a laptop ?
[12:39] <KatieKitty> it seems like there will be no way to change the design team's decision already rite?
[12:39] <cemc> I mean I don't want it to put hdparm -B128 when on battery
[12:39] <yofel> oxymoron: it says grub-install (GNU GRUB 1.98-1ubuntu2) here
[12:40] <kklimonda> oxymoron: not really
[12:40] <kklimonda> so lahggy..
[12:41] <oxymoron> yofel: Weird, what could that be? I just removed grub from mbr and reinstalled but yet I got the 1.97~experimental :S
[12:41] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: you will be always able to override the theme setting using gconf
[12:42] <yofel> oxymoron: what does $ apt-cache policy grub-pc    tell you for the installed version?
[12:43] <oxymoron> yofel: 1.98-1ubuntu2
[12:43] <yofel> o.O
[12:43] <yofel> then it shouldn't say 1.97...
[12:44] <KatieKitty> kklimonda: i know, but the default settings is wat i am talking about
[12:44] <devilsadvocate_> its not about 'looking like every other distro out there'. its more about not changing stuff for the _only_ reason that its different from or the same as  something else. if its better usability wise to have it on this side, then fine. otherwise changing it is retarded
[12:44] <devilsadvocate_> kklimonda, gconf is not usable
[12:44] <oxymoron> yofel: I know before I installed experimental once from grub repository and then it got like ***~experimental ... Where is every single file you should delete to completly remove grub?
[12:45] <oxymoron> yofel: Do you know where the grub version number is stored. that one that get in grub title bar on bootup?
[12:45] <yofel> no, I don't know that much about grub
[12:45] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: the default belongs to developers and dx team members to decide - they are going to be wrong but what Ubuntu and Linux in general need is for someone to take a lead in making new, interesting changes
[12:45] <kklimonda> KatieKitty: you should probably read http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/330
[12:46] <oxymoron> yofel: Its really strange, I have like removed files and grub completly once and reinstalled but still got that.
[12:46] <kklimonda> devilsadvocate_: it's (and ubuntu-tweak) is enough for those who are really offended by Canonical making any decision - other are just going to accept it.
[12:47] <devilsadvocate_> kklimonda, is there any published justification as to _how_ this is better? it represent a major diversion both from upstream and from general user expectation
[12:49] <oxymoron> Is it risky to remove the whole /boot folder? :D I want to remove grub and all kernels and reinstall them?
[12:49] <kklimonda> it's major? huh.. but no, I haven't seen any justification nor do I think they have to justify their decision - that's probably the difference. I believe that they are the best people to do the job available so I'm going to trust them.
[12:49] <devilsadvocate_> oxymoron, thats a rather risky proposition. why do you want to do it?
[12:50] <oxymoron> devilsadvocate_: My partition /dev/sdc doesnt boot and the grub version is faulty in mbr or some setting somewhere. I want to cleanup and reinstall the kernels and grub2 from scratch to maybe get boot into Lucid work.
[12:51] <devilsadvocate_> kklimonda, IMO any changes from upstream should be limited to branding and distro level integration fixing efforts, and not changes that really mess with how upstream works. everything else should be pushed upstream as soon as possible. there is enough entropy in the linux world as it is
[12:51] <devilsadvocate_> kklimonda, we all know what happened with xubuntu's xfce
[12:52] <oxymoron> devilsadvocate_: If I remove, do I remove the kernels completly then? I am in chroot on /dev/sdc2 on LiveCD now, would it still be possible to do apt-get or dpkg if I remove kernels?
[12:53] <devilsadvocate_> oxymoron, it will, but i dont know whether reinstalling the kernels would go smothly
[12:53] <devilsadvocate_> oxymoron, i'dd suggest just reinstalling grub
[12:53] <yofel> oxymoron: you would have to mount the chroot like your system is set up usually
[12:53] <kklimonda> devilsadvocate_: but Ubuntu have never been a "yet another distribution" - we are trying to create something new and appealing to users who are not familiar with Linux. There is only that much you can do without "messing" with upstream.
[12:53] <oxymoron> devilsadvocate_: I have tried just to reinstall grub but it doesnt work, still same error
[12:54] <yofel> oxymoron: but as devilsadvocate_ says, purging grub and the kernels will propably not go smooth, apt might remove a lot of other stuff (use dpkg --force-depends maybe)
[12:54] <penguin42> oxymoron: I'm curious, this is your sdc, what have you got on sda and how exactly do you install grub?
[12:54] <penguin42> (and sdb for that matter)
[12:54] <devilsadvocate_> kklimonda, all i'm saying is making it better is different from making it 'different'. if this is indeed better, then go ahead. but i dont see _how_ this is better or any data suggesting that it is better
[12:54] <oxymoron> yofel: I was thinking of remove the files manually and not in apt or dpkg
[12:55] <yofel> oxymoron: BAD idea
[12:55] <devilsadvocate_> kklimonda, i hope the decision was not brought about by developers who are as used to OSX as their users are to Windows, bcasue if that is the case this is a train wreck waiting to happen
[12:55] <yofel> oxymoron: better purge the packages, it might not be the files on /boot bug some config file or whatever that's broken
[12:56] <yofel> s/bug/but/
[12:56] <oxymoron> penguin42: sda is my sandbox partition, sdc is my default one that is messed up after karmic => lucid, sdb and sdd are storage disks. I have tried to remove grub with # dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/sdX bs=446 count=1 and rm -r /boot/grub and also apt-get remove grub*
[12:57] <penguin42> oxymoron: But this arrangement used to work on karmic?
[12:57] <penguin42> oxymoron: That dd needs to be if=/dev/zero not null
[12:57] <oxymoron> yofel: Yes, I wonder where that config file is ... somewhere its some grub config file that doesnt disappear if I remove grub with dpkg
[12:57] <kklimonda> devilsadvocate_: it was not and it was accepted by Shuttleworh anyway before it got published. Apparently the DX team was able to convince him that this change is worth trying
[12:57] <kushalone> Hey guys, Could someone please verify is the little triangle to sort data in the system monitor in 10.04b is in correct order? Thanks
[12:58] <yofel> oxymoron: do you remove or purge the packages? removing them will leave the config files in place
[12:58] <oxymoron> penguin42: Yeah kind of worked, but I still got 1.97~experimental which is wrong even on Karmic, it should be 1.97~beta4
[12:58] <oxymoron> penguin42: Oh, well I googled that and it said null, but why zero?
[12:58] <penguin42> oxymoron: I wonder if it's installing it on the right disk
[12:59] <oxymoron> yofel: I have tried both purge and remove
[12:59] <penguin42> oxymoron: Reading /dev/null gives you nothing, therefore you can't write it anywhere, reading /dev/zero gives you a stream of 0's and that command would then write 446 of them to the start of the disk
[12:59] <oxymoron> penguin42: Do you know whats code 449 is?
[12:59] <oxymoron> 446*
[13:00] <oxymoron> penguin42: And yeah it should be installed on right disks.
[13:00] <penguin42> oxymoron: Not 100% sure - I *think* it might be everything in the boot sector except the partition table; do you want to wipe the whole partition disk or very carefully just grub?
[13:00] <oxymoron> penguin42: I though have grub on both sda and sdc
[13:00] <oxymoron> penguin42: ONly grub, not the partition table then it should be code 512
[13:00] <oxymoron> refered to google ...
[13:00] <penguin42> yeh
[13:01] <oxymoron> 446 just say to go to beginning and change mbr I think
[13:02] <oxymoron> yofel: How would you remove grub2, which command? should I do apt-get remove --purge grub*
[13:02] <devilsadvocate_> oxymoron, nake sure you have all your backups first
[13:02] <yofel> either apt-get purge or dpkg --purge
[13:02] <devilsadvocate_> oxymoron, dd to the start of disk an things of that sort are quite  ... risky
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> how to trash your system - method #4 - mistakes while using dd. :)
[13:04] <oxymoron> devilsadvocate_: Yeah, I dont save anything on my OS partitions ;) That I have learned by years, isolate OS disks from important data except apps then of course
[13:05] <oxymoron> devilsadvocate_: But I copy my home folder now just in case
[13:05] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: lol :D
[13:08]  * oxymoron wonders if its possible to boost speed of moving/copying files on hdd? He wants at least 100 MB/s
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> with enought $$$ yes
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:09] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: I meant mostly software-wise :P Of course with power raptor or sdd disks ... but I wonder SATA2 should in theory support like 600 MB/S but I only get like 30 MB/S
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> i think all those #'s are highly inflated
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> marketing
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:10] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: How do you mean? :P
[13:10] <jussi01> FYI:
[13:10] <jussi01> !currentissues
[13:11] <yofel> jussi01: thx, btw: is it possible to get channel specific factoids in a query?
[13:12] <jussi01> yofel: yes: !factoid-#channel
[13:14] <oxymoron> jussi01: Btw, if the buttons are on left, you have to change that thing when drag the mouse pointer to upper left corner it goes into that windows selection mode :P
[13:15]  * penguin42 isn't sure but I do wonder if the reason for the change was the notify-osd messages covering the buttons
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> i doubt it penguin42
[13:16]  * jussi01 has no idea, isnt a devloper and doesnt have any input in it. 
[13:16]  * oxymoron wonders if the full title bar will be used sometime in the OS history xD
[13:16] <jussi01> I dont even use gnome, so it doesnt even affect me. Now, back to Lucid support?
[13:16] <kklimonda> penguin42: notify-osd has already been changed in karmic to display non-sync notifications a bit lower because of that (and firefox search bar)
[13:17] <kklimonda> penguin42: so I'm pretty sure it had nothing to do with the change
[13:17] <penguin42> kklimonda: Yeh it always still seems to be above where my buttons are :-)
[13:17] <kklimonda> penguin42: heh
[13:18] <oxymoron> jussi01: Yeah, you could explain for me what should happen after plymouth cool video loading? :P For me last time tried the loader goes really slow and took like 10 minutes to go 100% and then it just freezes and the video doesnt end and desktop doesnt hook and chainload after plymouth :P
[13:18] <kklimonda> heh, I have to force fsck to see plymouth at all :/
[13:19] <penguin42> oxymoron: That shouldn't happen - it should take a handful of seconds
[13:19] <oxymoron> kklimonda: For me the problem that plymouth didnt appear was that quiet splash command wasnt added to kernel boot xD
[13:19] <kklimonda> oxymoron: for me it's entirely about the speed of the boot
[13:20] <kklimonda> it's just too fast ;)
[13:20] <oxymoron> penguin42: Yes I know, but I wonder why it do that in the first place :P Would be cool in plymouth if you could press a button "see chain info command lines" and then get a info window somewhere when you see exactly what happens on bootup, I would like that :)
[13:20] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Haha, how fast ? :P
[13:20] <penguin42> yeh it's always nice to know what's going on
[13:21] <kklimonda> oxymoron: no idea, don't have bootchart installed right now
[13:21] <kklimonda> oxymoron: but probably under 20 seconds
[13:21] <kklimonda> (it was 17 last time I've had bootchat installed)
[13:21] <oxymoron> kklimonda: I just wonder if it was a huge change since karmic :P
[13:21] <kklimonda> 17 seconds to the idle desktop
[13:22] <kklimonda> one thing I hate is that plymouth doesn't kick in until ureadahead is done reading files.
[13:22] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Hopefully the desktop bootstrap will be improved as well, I know there is something going on for KDE anyway to vastly improve speed
[13:22] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Yeah, you mean that second the screen is black? :P
[13:24] <kklimonda> oxymoron: for me it's a full 7 or 8 seconds of black screen with only blinking cursor, then kms kicks in, a moment later plymouth and X
[13:24] <oxymoron> Then I dont understand why befoere when you dont get splash and see command lines instead, you always get a lot of errors and messages, why is it so? Isnt it possible to not get a single error on boot? xD lol hahaha :D
[13:25] <kklimonda> I don't really get any messages other than the one from plymouth
[13:25] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Ah my computer is a little faster than yours I guess, for me its like 1-3 seconds black and then got KMS, then plymouth and then x doesnt start xD
[13:25] <kklimonda> s/plymouth/fsck/
[13:26]  * yofel whishes he wouldn't get any nfs errors on boot anymore, stupid moutnall
[13:26] <oxymoron> kklimonda: I got a lot of ureadahaed messages with status 4 for my storage drives and udev rules for logitech keyboard and for microsoft/rzer habu mouse :P
[13:27] <kklimonda> ureadahead messages are a upstart bug
[13:27] <oxymoron> kklimonda: That was when I didnt have quiet splash and see what happened before playmouth. But strange plymouth doesnt start if you dont have splash command :P
[13:27] <kklimonda> udev messages are bugs in rules
[13:27] <kklimonda> i wonder why
[13:27] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Bug or not, I hate error messages no mather if I see them or not :P
[13:28] <oxymoron> Ignorance is a bless though, but mostly these days my brain have learned how to world works with hacks and errors behind the scenes everywhere, no matter its in the computer world or anywhere else
[13:28] <oxymoron> *the world
[13:29] <eagles0513875> heyo odyi
[13:29] <eagles0513875> whoops wrong person
[13:29] <eagles0513875> heyo oxymoron
[13:29] <oxymoron> eagles0513875: Hi there :)
[13:29] <oxymoron> eagles0513875: Any success with lucid for ya?
[13:29] <eagles0513875> i gave up
[13:29] <eagles0513875> ill wait till its released
[13:29] <eagles0513875> at least im on it on a virtual machine
[13:30] <oxymoron> eagles0513875: I am to stubborn to give up, I just sit with this until I either understand the whole bootup process or make it work.
[13:30] <eagles0513875> rofl
[13:31] <oxymoron> eagles0513875: Hopefully beta2 in lucid will fix some problems, I guess they hold the packages and not release them yet to beta1 as updates :P
[13:31] <kklimonda> they don't
[13:31] <eagles0513875> oxymoron: http://www.debianhelp.co.uk/boot.htm
[13:31] <eagles0513875> how the boot process works lol
[13:31] <eagles0513875> oxymoron: they only hold the packages if there is a problem
[13:31] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Alright, nobody have fixed plymouth and all that in other words? :P
[13:32] <eagles0513875> what doesnt make sense is whey mountall for me wants to pull libplymouth2 if i dont even have an nvidia in this particular machine
[13:32] <eagles0513875> or is plymouth not just for nvidia
[13:32] <kklimonda> oxymoron: it's not broken
[13:32] <kklimonda> oxymoron: if it's broken in your configuration then you should report it
[13:33] <oxymoron> kklimonda: No, but the interaction between the protocols are ...
[13:33] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Sorry to say but I am to lazy and bored by reporting bugs so I have quit doing it.
[13:34] <oxymoron> eagles0513875: No plymouth isnt nvidia specific ;)
[13:34] <eagles0513875> ok i thought it was
[13:34] <kklimonda> oxymoron: then you don't really have the right to complain, do you?
[13:34] <oxymoron> eagles0513875: And what I meant with bootup process I meant how the stages work programming wise :P
[13:35] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Mostly things in the world arent "right", so it doesnt matter if I have the right to "complain" or not, I do it anyway :D
[13:35] <eagles0513875> ahh oxymoron take a look at the source code for example grub and other steps in the boot process
[13:35] <kklimonda> oxymoron: pfff,
[13:35] <oxymoron> eagles0513875: Where to find grub source code?
[13:36] <kklimonda> oxymoron: you are just wasting our time then.
[13:36] <penguin42> oxymoron: apt-get source grub
[13:36] <eagles0513875> apt-get source hehe is ur friend
[13:36] <eagles0513875> grub2 to be exact penguin42
[13:36] <oxymoron> eagles0513875: Actually I tried to understand kernel source before, but there I actually give up, to many thousand of code lines ...
[13:36] <eagles0513875> hehe
[13:37] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Maybe someone else have the time to report bug ... I just ask, and not only wineing of the bugs :P I want to fix them
[13:37] <oxymoron> penguin42: Thank you :)
[13:38] <eagles0513875> oxymoron: why not if you have the programming ask in ubuntu-motu for mentoring if not then hang tight
[13:39] <oxymoron> eagles0513875: I dont know really :P If I dont get this working I actually might :P
[13:40] <oxymoron> eagles0513875: I just have to get enough pissed first :D rofl xD
[13:41] <oxymoron> I would like to provide with design, programming IM-client, fix grub once and for all, polish the look and interface overall, make things a lot faster and otimize code
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> grub2 is the first step in 'fixing grub' :)
[13:42] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Yeah, grub2 go way to slow it has been developed so long that someone else could have done the grub3 in the meanwhile :P
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> GrubVista
[13:43] <oxymoron> Haha grubvista :D
[13:43] <oxymoron> would be nice having a common mbr and bootstrap for Mac, WIndows and Linux :) Then it could be freaking awesome :)
[13:44] <oxymoron> Lucid have 1.98-1 of grub I think, does somebody know whats left to code?
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> themes
[13:45] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Only themes? :P
[13:45] <Umeaboy> Is GRUB going to become graphical soon?
[13:45] <Umeaboy> Not textbased.
[13:45] <fetkmg> Are the new themes, ambiance and radiance, a WIP? As I noticed many sore spots.
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> its allready themable Umeaboy  but those features are still in testing . andi belive left out of theubuntu versions
[13:46] <Dr_Willis> fetkmg:  this is beta1 :) everything is a WIP
[13:46] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: What makes you say it's become themable? I know there is a patch for it flying around but I didn't think the patch had gone very far
[13:46] <Umeaboy> Dr_Willis: Okey.
[13:47] <Umeaboy> What do I have to do to theme it?
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> penguin42:  ive seen PPAs for the patched version and screenshots.. but i dont worry to much about  eyecaney like that
[13:47] <Umeaboy> I'd like to discuss a matter......a small matter.
[13:47] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Ah yeh
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> Umeaboy:  theres patched/updated ppa's of grub2 with the versions that has some theme features
[13:47] <Umeaboy> It's a suggestion for the upcoming installer in Ubuntu.
[13:47] <droke> Hello, are there any news regarding fglrx in Lucid. I see the package is considered low urgency :(
[13:47] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: I'm not sure if there are any movement to it going in either an official package or upstream
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> Umeaboy:  i doubt if that features going to get added.
[13:48] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Do you think its possible to combine grub and plymouth and make them interact someway?
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> Perhaps in the nect release
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> oxymoron:  personally I remove Pymouth
[13:48] <Umeaboy> Could someone make it possible to inside the installation remove panels from the enviroment & change colours?
[13:48] <fetkmg> So we have a music store now, when does the book store arrive?
[13:48] <Umeaboy> A friend of mine installed Ubuntu on his computer.
[13:49] <Umeaboy> His OLDER computer.
[13:49] <Umeaboy> The thing is.
[13:49] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: I like watching the video effects while waiting :) WOuld be cool having a time counter, is that possible? I mean like, its 27 seconds left ...
[13:49] <Umeaboy> He's a bit stubborn.
[13:49] <penguin42> oxymoron: It's really difficult to predict times
[13:49] <fetkmg> including books in the public domain.
[13:49] <Umeaboy> Stubborn when it comes to seeing things as they are.
[13:50] <oxymoron> penguin42: Well, isnt it possible to make statistics from each individs computer and predict upstart time from that?
[13:50] <Glowball> I have tried two alpha versions and now the beta 1, and none of them are even booting in Virtualbox - I got the purple splash screen, but then it gets stuck at a black window with a white _ (unable to type anything), while my processors are driving crazy
[13:50] <oxymoron> penguin42: Which mean first times it doesnt show time left, but after 3 times maybe :P
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> oxymoron:  proberly is/will be.. but  sounds like more for me to disable :)
[13:50] <Glowball> (I haven't tried to actually burn it to a cd and try the live edition though)
[13:50] <Umeaboy> In short, he was not happy with the colour of the desktop even thou he could change it.
[13:50] <penguin42> oxymoron: Yeh, even so it's not necessarily that accurate, and if you tell people there's 20 seconds left and it takes 30 people feel disappointed, but if you double it to 40 to be sure people aren't happy either!
[13:51] <Umeaboy> He complaint about the colour orange. He complained about have two panels.
[13:51] <oxymoron> penguin42: Haha yeah, or maybe the one thing I said before, see whats going on in the background, that would calm me down :)
[13:51] <oxymoron> Umeaboy: Install Kubuntu for him instead ;)
[13:51] <Umeaboy> I can't remember if he didnät complain about something at all.
[13:51] <droke> Which kernel is currently supported by the pre-release fglrx drivers in edgers? 2.6.32 only?
[13:52] <penguin42> Umeaboy: I have the same problem whenever I install something for my dad...
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> Umeaboy:  at work - had a similer guy companing.. my responce.. 'too bad...'
[13:52] <void^_> i use a top panel only in gnome, os2v4 style.
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> or 'thats an interesting missconception'
[13:52] <yofel> droke: I think yes
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> :)
[13:52] <oxymoron> Umeaboy: Kubuntu is blue mostly and only have one panel, or you could add more ones if you would like
[13:52] <Umeaboy> oxymoron: Yeah, but he did the online test to see what distro he should use.
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> kde 4.4X has gotten a lot of nice improvements
[13:52] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Yeah, but KDE 4.5 will be the ONE <3
[13:53] <topyli> uh, if the number of panels or desktop background color are the main users here, we're doing pretty nicely
[13:53] <Mike1_> I want my Panel-Applets as single entity back! I want to be able remove that Indicator-thingy! I’m using UNE … is there a way to do it? :-(
[13:53] <topyli> er, main problems
[13:53]  * yofel is happy that he doesn't get any plasma crashes anymore since 4.4.1 :D
[13:53] <fetkmg> Google Chrome's default theme puts the close buttons on the right side, (inconsistancy)
[13:53] <Umeaboy> I don't know how to convince him because he still believes Windows is better even thou he uses alot of free software in Windows.
[13:53] <Umeaboy> If he can get it for free he prefers that.
[13:54] <Umeaboy> It's the same when asking him out for an activity that involves money.
[13:54] <droke> Something I like in KDE is the auto-window-resizing when you touch the sides of the screen as you drag a window. Especially on 24" monitors it is a MUST. Boosts productivity by ALOT IMO.
[13:54] <Umeaboy> In short........he's kind, but only for his own good.
[13:54] <droke> I could hack this into GNOME with Compiz, but hack = not user-friendly :(
[13:55] <oxymoron> Umeaboy: Tell him to test Kubuntu, I am pretty sure he will like it and the new KDE 4.4.1 ;) I prefer that to Windows. If he doesnt play games in Windows or use video editing and heavy grpahics and so on, GNU/LInux Kubuntu I would recommend because it mostly look like WIndows but much better IMO :P
[13:56] <droke> Umeaboy, it is his choice at the end of the day. If he does not like it then is not for him. Do not try to convince people, unless you are to be paid a commission I guess. My advice (from experience good and bad :) ).
[13:57] <Umeaboy> He does play games in Windows.
[13:57] <Umeaboy> Mostly FPS-games & FM or CM-games.
[13:57] <oxymoron> Umeaboy: Its possible to do dual-boot and VMware is always an option ;)
[13:57] <droke> Umeaboy, you can play most FPS in Ubuntu through Wine.
[13:58] <Umeaboy> I even tried showing him to use Linux via Virtualbox, but he's to stubborn to test it.
[13:58] <oxymoron> Umeaboy: I would not prefer GNU/Linux before WIndows if weyre talking computer gaming, but in almost any other case GNU/Linux would be to prefer
[13:59] <Umeaboy> oxymoron: I prefer Linux-games since they're free to adapt & to develop.
[13:59] <oxymoron> Umeaboy: Yeah, but the most important thing ... stability and perfomance
[13:59]  * yofel makes a note that audio/video editing is sub-optimal in linux too :/
[14:00] <oxymoron> Umeaboy: Me myself doesnt play games anymore on my computer, but I would never ever play games on e Linux machine
[14:00]  * penguin42 is fortunately satisfied by simple flash games and simple stuff
[14:00] <oxymoron> yofel: Its coming more and more editors to the market though. More developers are provide good alternatives to Adobe and that kind of things which Windows has
[14:01] <penguin42> yofel: It's good ptivi is now in Ubuntu, but I hope people don't think it's sorted because of something simple like that
[14:01] <oxymoron> penguin42: You must try N64 emulator and play Super MArio 64, thats freaking awesome and kills the flash games ...
[14:01] <yofel> penguin42: I tested pitivi, it can't read the video files from my DVR, only vlc and kdenlive can read those
[14:02] <kklimonda> penguin42: sorted?
[14:02] <yofel> and kdenlive is far from stable :/
[14:02] <penguin42> kklimonda: Finished with etc
[14:03]  * oxymoron wonders if gimp or Krita will become better than Photoshop or if PS will be ported to QT or GNU/LInux
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> i doubt if t5hers any proffit in porting PS to linux
[14:03] <yofel> I wonder what's so hard about makin a linux version of PS, there's a mac version after all
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> $$$$
[14:03] <kklimonda> penguin42: but what do you mean by that? is it too simple? it's not a replacement for adobe premiere and the rest of the professional stuff after all
[14:04] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Probably not, but Adobe have been release a version for Android for free ... So I guess there is some kind of market in there :P
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> Its all about the Money
[14:04] <penguin42> yofel: It's a lot of work to rewrite the GUI and a phenomenal cost to keep testing it
[14:04] <Dr_Willis> a version of PS for android?
[14:04] <yofel> well, that's true
[14:04] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Yes, Adobe Photoshop MObile or something like that, really awesome neat little app for my mobile :)
[14:04] <penguin42> kklimonda: Yeh too simple; in the sense that people won't think there's need to write something more complete
[14:05] <kklimonda> Dr_Willis: it's a chicken and egg problem - there is no market for applications like PS because there are no applications like PS to create the market ;)
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> oxymoron:  i imagine its not the same codebase as PS. :) of course that means they have ported it to linux then.. so ask them to release it.
[14:05] <WoAnerges> hi guys!
[14:05] <WoAnerges> have VAIO with "ATI mobility radeon HD 4570" and Intel Core2 DUO T6600 @ 2.2GHz.
[14:05] <WoAnerges> can't install ubuntu 10.04 normally. problems with video appearance.
[14:05] <WoAnerges> need help.
[14:05] <WoAnerges> i know - the image in attachment - it looks like video card owerheat, but it's not an owerheat of vc processor. i am sure about that, because i had a vc that was damaged by owerheating. this is not that case. i think there's a compability problem with laptop hardware. dear development team,,, you must fix it :S
[14:05] <penguin42> yofel: Never underestimate the cost of testing
[14:05] <WoAnerges> don't leave me without ubuntu. (=
[14:05] <WoAnerges> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=151676&d=1269750326
[14:05] <Dr_Willis> I wouldent use PS if it did eist for linux. I cant afford it.. and i dont need it.
[14:05] <yofel> penguin42: I can imagine that
[14:06] <kklimonda> penguin42: pitivi is a alternative for iMovie. to create good alternatives for professional software you would need a market for it.
[14:06] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: I wish Koffice, OpenOffice, GIMP and apps like that will vastly improve the interfaces and eyecandy, then it could be better than Photoshop. Most features it has like Photoshop has, but the interface really is bad. I would look on Microsoftt Office and make the interface better than that
[14:06] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Of course you dont buy software ...
[14:08] <Umeaboy> oxymoron: He had problems getting the connection-interface up.
[14:09] <oxymoron> Umeaboy: Connection interface for what?
[14:09] <Umeaboy> Ethernet.
[14:09] <WoAnerges> anyone?
[14:09]  * Dr_Willis wonders how 'eyecandy' would make office apps better....
[14:10]  * penguin42 hands Dr_Willis a dancing paperclip
[14:10] <yofel> WoAnerges: no ati experts here right now it seems
[14:10] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Not eyecandy, more interface polish to make productivity go faster, more fun and enjoy to use the app ;) Eyecandy is second
[14:10] <fabio333> hi there
[14:11] <fabio333> someone here is going to recompile firefox 3.6 with cairo enabled?
[14:11] <kklimonda> fabio333: why would we do it? devs are going to do it when legal stuff is sorted out
[14:11] <fabio333> hi <kklimonda>
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> 'the software owuld be better... if the software was better....'
[14:12] <kklimonda> fabio333: if we create firefox 3/6 package we'll have to rename it to Shiretoko(?). remove mozilla branding and hear complains about it
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> :)
[14:12] <fabio333> damn
[14:12] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Seriously, look on OpenOffice, it looks like hell :P Buttons everywhere which make you confused, not logical menus and well it must be polished. KOffice have been trapped in the same trap and its horrible to use.
[14:12] <penguin42> oxymoron: OOo 3 is a hell of a lot better than 2 - but yeh I agree
[14:12] <Dr_Willis> oxymoron:  compared to the MS word i used the other day at work.. I will stick with OpenOffice
[14:12] <Glowball> I have tried two alpha versions and now the beta 1, and none of them are even booting in Virtualbox - I got the purple splash screen, but then it gets stuck at a black window with a white _ (unable to type anything), while my processors are driving crazy (I haven't tried to actually burn it to a cd and try the live edition though)
[14:13] <oxymoron> penguin42: Yeah, 2 was chaos, 3 is a little better but still horrible
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> I dont even know what version of word it was.. i could barely figure out how to make a simple 'For sale .. Sign'
 i'm talking about a 3.6 recompiled and posted online somwhere when i can get it
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> abiword does 90% of what i need.
[14:13] <fabio333> i have to downloads so many devs to compile it...
[14:13] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: Have you tried MS Office 2007 or 2010?
[14:13]  * Dr_Willis isent even sure what cairo is.
[14:13] <WoAnerges> :(
[14:13] <Dr_Willis> oxymoron:  i dont knwo what version it was.. its whatever they had at work
[14:14] <fetkmg> OOo one netbook remix should theme the Splash Screen to fit with the netbook theme.
[14:14]  * oxymoron make a notice that Cairo is a dock panel like Apple OS X have ,)
[14:14] <penguin42> Glowball: It doesn't seem happy with older Virtualboxes
[14:14] <kklimonda> fabio333: it's just too much work to do that as devs are going to fix it as soon as they can anyway
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> ive yet to find a dock that actually made me more productive.
[14:14] <Dr_Willis> Docky - came close.
[14:15] <kklimonda> fabio333: /b 9
[14:15] <kklimonda> ech, not here
[14:15] <kklimonda> well, wrong prefix ;)
 ?
[14:16] <Glowball> penguin42: Ah, that might be true, actually. I'm getting alerts to update Virtualbox for quite some time, but at college, I have an internet limit of 4GB a month at a max speed of about 60kB/s (if I'm lucky), so I keep postponing it
[14:16] <penguin42> Glowball: Youch, you need to find someone with a fast net connection and a supply of thumb drives
[14:16] <kklimonda> fabio333: nothing, my mistake
[14:16] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: MS OFffice 2003 looks horrible for me as well :P I wish more people think more like they do on cell phone interfaces, they optimze everything and it looks really good. On small screens it can look good and efficient interface, but on large screen with far more performance and possiblites nobody use the empty space everywhere and on GNU/LInux its to much about CLI and icons on GUI:s. We need more design interaction and
[14:16] <oxymoron>  user experience to really compare with WIndows and Apple OS, GNU/LInux would kill them in an instance if GUI:s was more polished interface-wise
[14:17] <kklimonda> oxymoron: 2003 is really old - 2007 and 2010 have both really nice interface
 no way to get 2010 running yet
[14:17] <Glowball> penguin42: I used my neighbours' internet, but they decided to put a password on their connection a few months ago :(
[14:18] <oxymoron> kklimonda: Yeah, thats what I mean ;) Wish Koffice and OpenOffice would take same spirit to their interface GUI ;)
[14:18] <oxymoron> fabio333: What do you mean?
[14:18] <fabio333> no wine support still
[14:18] <kklimonda> Glowball: to run lucid guest on karmic host in virtualbox you either need a newer version of virtualbox or to pass acpi=off kernel parameter when booting guest system
[14:19] <Glowball> kklimonda: I'm at home for the weekend, so I could as well download the new version now... :) Thanks though :)
[14:19]  * oxymoron still wait on LIveCD to backup 27.1 GB that take like several human kind ages ...
[14:20] <oxymoron> fabio333: Aha, well you dont use wine at all :P Windows for WIndows apps and Linux for Linux ported apps ;)
[14:21] <oxymoron> fabio333: Quite sad Spotify doesnt work on Wine these days after the KDE 4.4 upgrade :(
[14:21] <fabio333> it's not the place here but office 2007 on wine is faster than openoffice...
[14:22] <oxymoron> fabio333: If you want to talk about it, we could go to offtopic channel ;)
[14:22] <fabio333> not at all, it's just a fact
[14:23] <oxymoron> fabio333: Maybe I would test it on Wine then :)
[14:24] <Glowball> Hurray, it's running :)
[14:24] <penguin42> fabio333: I probably agree, but check out OOo in lucid - it seems to have got a lot faster
[14:24] <oxymoron> 80 000 files left to copy ... I want to remove grub NOW! :D
[14:27] <fabio333> as for koffice it's a dead project... they could do that instead of reinventing the wheel with kin composite...
[14:31] <WoAnerges> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=151676&d=1269750326
[14:31] <WoAnerges> hi guys!
[14:31] <WoAnerges> have VAIO with "ATI mobility radeon HD 4570" and Intel Core2 DUO T6600 @ 2.2GHz.
[14:31] <WoAnerges> can't install ubuntu 10.04 normally. problems with video appearance.
[14:31] <WoAnerges> need help.
[14:31] <WoAnerges> i know - the image in attachment - it looks like video card owerheat, but it's not an owerheat of vc processor. i am sure about that, because i had a vc that was damaged by owerheating. this is not that case.
[14:33] <kklimonda> WoAnerges: you have asked about it here already and on another channel. if you get no responses it's because we don't know
[14:33] <fabio333> WoAnerges>: maybe it's the kms
[14:33] <fabio333> sorry, can't install
[14:33] <WoAnerges> kms?
[14:33] <rsk> WoAnerges try a nigthly cd
[14:34] <fabio333> i don't know why u can't install it
[14:34] <WoAnerges> does nightly cd contains improved drivers?
[14:34] <rsk> WoAnerges it can
[14:35] <Dr_Willis> theres always the alterantive cd'
[14:36] <joppan> HELP MY SUDOERS FILE GOT CORRUPTED on my ubuntu 10.04 beta 1 while editing using sudo visudo using vi
[14:36] <rsk> !caps | joppan
[14:36] <Dr_Willis> look for backups - one may of been made automatically
[14:36] <joppan> where
[14:37] <aigarius> I'm having a problem with bootup hanging after the upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 just now - when booted in rescue mode, the last lines are 'Begin: Running /scripts/init-bottom ... ' and then 'Done.' nvidia drivers were installed from default packages before the upgrade. I can debug by interrupting it with Alt-SysRq-K (or I)
[14:37] <kklimonda> how can it get corrupted when you edit it using visudo?
[14:37] <rsk> faulty hardware maybe
[14:38] <aigarius> joppan, your best bet would be to boot into the rescue mode and edit it from there (or from a livecd/usb)
[14:38] <oxymoron> aigarius: Whats alt-sysrq-K?
[14:39] <yofel> oxymoron: kernel request to kill X
[14:39] <aigarius> oxymoron, SysRq: SAK - kill all processes
[14:39] <oxymoron> aigarius: I have similar problem like you btw when I upgraded from Karmic to Lucid :P
[14:39] <kklimonda> well, to kill the current vt
[14:39] <kklimonda> (to be more precise)
[14:39] <oxymoron> aigarius: Is it a key combination? And which buttons?
[14:40] <yofel> kklimonda: yes, thanks :)
[14:40] <aigarius> when I press it, it says that it killed mountall process
[14:40] <aigarius> oxymoron, Alt + SysRq button (usually the same as printscreen) + k
[14:40] <yofel> oxymoron: if you don't have a sysrq button it's often  mapped to the 'Print' or PrintScr button
[14:40] <kklimonda> oxymoron: it's sysrq+k where sysrq may be alt+prtsc, ctrl+alt+prtsc, ctrl+shift+alt+prtsc..
[14:41] <TheStreetRacer> sera
[14:41] <oxymoron> aigarius: I would try go into grub on bootup, highlight your kernel, press "e" and type after "ro" quiet splash. That make me go one step ahead into plymouth
[14:42] <oxymoron> kklimonda, yofel, aigarius: Alright, cool to know that combinaiton so I can debug :)
[14:43] <yofel> oxymoron: while we're at it, the last resort before hard reset to half-properly reboot your pc is sysrq + r e i s u b
[14:44] <oxymoron> yofel: What is r e i s u b?
[14:45] <yofel> oxymoron: the buttons 'r' 'e' ... pressed after one other (sysrq+r, sysrq+e, ...)
[14:45] <oxymoron> yofel: What happens then? :P
[14:45] <kklimonda> rising elephants is so utterly boring..
[14:45] <kklimonda> (which is harder to remember than the damn reisub is)
[14:45] <Umeaboy> Anyone feel like seeing something cute?
[14:46] <aigarius> press sysrq+a for help ;)
[14:46] <kklimonda> Umeaboy: if it's a kitty I'm in
[14:46] <arand> yofel: shouldn't there be an alt iin there as well?
[14:46] <Umeaboy> kklimonda: As a matter of fact it is.
[14:46] <Umeaboy> ;)
[14:46] <Umeaboy> Good guess
[14:46] <yofel> arand: well, sysrq = alt+[sysrq-button]
[14:47] <Umeaboy> This will make you start smiling: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RaBWN0tN2lc
[14:47] <Umeaboy> Hehehehe
[14:47] <oxymoron> 50 000 files left ... boring to wait :P
[14:47] <yofel> oxymoron: see the bottom of the post for an explenation http://www.centriment.com/2009/03/20/raising-elephants-is-so-utterly-boring/
[14:47] <arand> yofel: To someone who doesn't know anythong about elephant-breeding that might not be obvious ;)
[14:47] <yofel> arand: haha
[14:48] <penguin42> anyone know if there are -dbg packages for xorg-edgers?
[14:48] <yofel> arand: (no, we already discussed the invocation, that's why I left it out)
[14:48] <kklimonda> penguin42: you can check it yourself
[14:48] <penguin42> kklimonda: I couldn't find them, hence the question
[14:49] <kklimonda> penguin42: if you couldn't find them (in the package details view) then there are no -dbg packages
[14:49] <arand> yofel: Ah, way up *there*, I see.
[14:49] <penguin42> kklimonda: Seems odd doesn't it
[14:49] <oxymoron> yofel: Cool, reisub :)
[14:50] <Umeaboy> kklimonda: Did you smile?
[14:50] <Umeaboy> ;)
[14:50] <yofel> isn't it :D
[14:50] <oxymoron> raising elephants is so utterly boring :D
[14:50] <aigarius> I would sync once more after the unmount
[14:51] <kklimonda> penguin42: not really - they should be there for at least some packages so it's probably you who don't see them :P
[14:51] <kklimonda> Umeaboy: heh - i did
[14:51] <Umeaboy> It's actually real.
[14:51] <Umeaboy> I thought it was scrambled from an old movie.
[14:58] <bencrisford> hey everyone, im helping a guy out with some problems he's having with lucid, i dont know what to suggest to him
[14:58] <penguin42> bencrisford: What's his problems?
[14:58] <bencrisford> his install initially failed, but worked in "safe mode" i guess he means recovery mode..
[14:59] <bencrisford> when he loads up lucid now hes getting this scren:
[14:59] <bencrisford> http://ubuntuforums.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=151676&d=1269750326
[14:59] <yofel> bencrisford: oh, WoAnerges?
[14:59] <bencrisford> yep
[14:59] <bencrisford> he came on #ubuntu-bugs looking for help
[14:59] <bencrisford> which obviously isnt a support channel..
[15:00] <yofel> bencrisford: yes, there was nobody here that could help him at the moment
[15:00] <bencrisford> yofel: oh
[15:00] <bencrisford> i suggested he should try ctrl+alt+f1 at the funny screen to see if cli works
[15:00] <bencrisford> but i was gonna check if anyone had encountered similar problems first
[15:01] <zonyl> Hi all.  When screensaver dims the backlight on my tablet and I wake it back up, the backlight level remains at a low level.  The brightness app "cannot get brightness".  Is there a way to restore the backlight level manually?
[15:03] <oxymoron> 30 000 files left to copy xD
[15:04] <zonyl> I didnt notice this until about 3 weeks ago. Unfortunately it doesnt appear to be consistently reproducible.  I have noticed though that the laptop Fn doesnt work anymore either.
[15:05] <bencrisford> zonyl: have you reported this as a bug?
[15:05] <zonyl> bencrisford: I want to, but I wanted to get some reproducible event to log it.  I was trying to narrow down what has actually happened when it gets in this state.  A reboot will fix it all though. Just cant reliably get it to reproduce.
[15:07] <bencrisford> zonyl: ok, so it has only happened once?
[15:07] <zonyl> once upon a time I could set the level via /proc/acpi/video/xxx/brightness , which doesnt appear to work anymore
[15:07] <zonyl> bencrisford: Its happened about 5 times in the last 3 weeks.
[15:07] <zonyl> zonyl: Currently it is in the state again
[15:07] <bencrisford> zonyl: id say report it
[15:08] <bencrisford> if its affecting other people, then reporting is the only way to confirm that
[15:08] <bencrisford> well the easiest anyway
[15:08]  * oxymoron thinks it quite funny that many files take longer to copy then large files even if the amount of the total size of many files pile is much less than the large file :P
[15:08] <zonyl> bencrisford: Is /proc/acpi/video/xxx/brightness supposed to be the way to control the backlight still?  I didnt know if there is a more common interface.
[15:09] <bencrisford> in my experience with ubuntu im not sure i have ever actually changed the brightness :S
[15:09] <bencrisford> because my monitor does it anyway on the contrls
[15:09] <bencrisford> i have never had the need to
[15:10] <bencrisford> zonyl: anyway, i think report it, then more people will read it, hopefully confirm it, and hopefully someone will fix it
[15:10] <bencrisford> the longer you wait the less likely it is to be fixed for lucid's final release
[15:10] <zonyl> bencrisford: Yeah. I just wanted to write up a more intelligent bug on it ;)  RIght now, it just randomly goes haywire when the screen saver kicks in.
[15:11] <bencrisford> zonyl: if its random, then its random and thats what you should put in the report
[15:11] <aigarius> ok I found a workaround and possiblereasonforupgrade hanging at boot
[15:12] <bencrisford> zonyl: its not about being intelligent, its about telling it how it is, and including the right info
[15:12] <aigarius> it booted up after I commented out the line for my NTFS partition in /etc/fstab and changed the UUIDs back to partition numbers
[15:12] <zonyl> bencrisford: acknowledged. Ill start one.
[15:12] <bencrisford> zonyl: :) i think that would bee the right thing to do, brb getting a coffee
[15:13]  * zonyl off to reboot and so I can see the screen better.
[15:14] <aigarius> it looks like the mountall is either hanging or failing quetly if it fails to mount anything in the /etc/fstab and possibly that there is aregression in NTFS filesystem support
[15:17] <oxymoron> aigarius: Interesting :)
[15:18] <oxymoron> aigarius: Did you uncomment all ntfs partitions in fstab?
[15:19] <freinhard> anyone else with amarok 2.3? can't tag mp3's
[15:19] <aigarius> oxymoron, I commented them out to get it to boot
[15:19] <aigarius> oxymoron, had only one
[15:19] <oxymoron> aigarius: Before you did that, what happened on boot exactly? I wonder if I have same problem with NTFS
[15:20] <aigarius> oxymoron, it hung on boot
[15:22] <oxymoron> aigarius: Yes, but HOW did it hung on boot? Explain the boot process what you saw on the screen
[15:22] <aigarius> also the ntfs partition was written as vfat in the /etc/fstab . no idea how that got there
[15:24] <oxymoron> aigarius: Wait a minute, doesnt ntfs use ntfs-375g or something like that instead of ntfs-3g as before?
[15:26] <aigarius> oxymoron, have no idea. I did not configure it manually, it just worked before
[15:27] <oxymoron> aigarius: YEah me too, but I remember it upgraded to libntfs-3g75 - ntfs-3g filesystem in userspace (FUSE) library
[15:27] <oxymoron> Just wondered if it should be something else than ntfs-3g in fstab for ntfs partitions
[15:32] <joppan> please help me recover corrupted /etc/sudoers file
[15:33] <penguin42> joppan: Any idea how it got corrupt?
[15:33] <aigarius> joppan: you only need two lines there: 'root ALL=(ALL) ALL' and '%admin ALL=(ALL) ALL'
[15:34] <joppan> penguin42, i edited using vi sudo visudo to add
[15:34] <freinhard> how can i check if amarok is missing some libraries? can
[15:34] <penguin42> hmph, I'm definitely seeing a regression with 'drm:radeon_cs_ioctl] *ERROR* Failed to parse relocation !' appearing in dmesg during video playback
[15:34] <freinhard> can't tag mp3's
 ld `which amarok`
[15:35] <fabio333> ldd*
[15:35] <joppan> aigarius, actually now am ruiing irc from a differnet system so am not able to tell the exact error msg
[15:35] <Viper1432> man that latest set of upgrades went bang.  lost my bluetooth mx5000 keyboard/mouse, plus this wierd mythbuntu gdm logo is broke.  gads.
[15:35] <Viper1432> and no i'm not running mythbuntu.  :/
[15:35] <freinhard> fabio333: but ldd checks just for libraries and not potentially missing symbols?
[15:36] <penguin42> freinhard: It checks that all the libraries are resolvable; it can't check if all the symbols are there and it also won't check if a program dynamically loads a library at run time if it has it
[15:36] <fabio333> amarok depends on libtag
[15:37] <oxymoron> 10 000 files left, hurray xD
[15:37] <oxymoron> Does somebody know approxiamtly how long I have been here? :D
 you need libtag1
[15:37] <oxymoron> nvm, I can see that myself in Quassel xD
[15:38] <oxymoron> 3 hours to copy 27 GB :D rofl xD
[15:38] <Dr_Willis>  Viper1432  i saw some 'third party' drivers/tools for Logitech Devices the other day at hidpoint.org (.com?) theyhad some neat features
[15:39] <Viper1432> Dr_Willis,   dude. up until 5 minutes ago, I didn't NEED 3rd party anything.  something in bluez went splat with the last big set of patches.
[15:39] <yofel> joppan: here's the default sudoers file, but you'll need root access to edit it, try to get the recovery mode to give you a maintenance shell http://paste.ubuntu.com/403801/
[15:41] <Dr_Willis> the tool i mentioned lets you easier configure a lot of the fancykeys and other stuff.
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> easier then some of the other ways ive had to do to get the extra buttons on my mc815 mouse going
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> G15 keyboard stuff still needs work however.
[15:42] <Viper1432> just fyi Dr_Willis , but I tried those apps for just that purpose on my karmic build, and it never worked for the mx5000 combo.
[15:42] <Dr_Willis> ive had such bad luck with anything bluetooth even under windws. i avoide it
[15:42] <Viper1432> but right now, something has definitely gone wack city with the bluez utilities.
[15:43] <Viper1432> which really surprised me as the least amount of issues I've had testing the alpha and now beta was the keyboard/mouse which just worked. :/
[15:44] <joppan> yofel, thanks
[15:44] <joppan> yofel, do u know the default permisision on sudoers file
[15:45] <arand> Viper1432: beta is where everything breaks. alpha is the stable phase ;) In my subjective experience at least...
[15:45] <yofel> joppan: root:root 440
[15:45] <joppan> yofel, got it
[15:45] <oxymoron> hmm 2000 files left, yay :D
[15:46] <Viper1432> not helpful arand.  I've been doing this for years.  I was popping up to see specifically if anyone had seen reports of bluez issue with the latest updates and the wierd mythbuntu gdm logo breakage I'm now seeing.
[15:46] <penguin42> oxymoron: What command are you using to copy them again?
[15:46] <Yellabs> hello good people
[15:47] <Yellabs> things are broken... , daily build live cd, gparted crashes
[15:47] <Yellabs> thats the 28 march version
[15:48] <yofel> Yellabs: filed the crash bug?
[15:48] <Yellabs> though diskutil works
[15:48] <Yellabs> i cant make one yet, since it does not show any cle as to why
[15:48] <cemc> is there a known problem with /dev/shm permissions ?
[15:48] <Yellabs> clue
[15:48] <Yellabs> that is
[15:49] <penguin42> cemc: Hasn't seen anyone else saying that
[15:49] <yofel> cemc: /dev/shm should be a tmpfs
[15:49] <cemc> since yesterday chrome won't work because of wrong /dev/shm permissions (or so it says)
[15:49] <cemc> yofel: I know
[15:49] <cemc> after I set /dev/shm to 777 permissions, it works again
[15:49] <Yellabs> yofel, got an trace back now...
[15:49] <yofel> well, I rebooted a few hours ago and it's fine
[15:50] <oxymoron> penguin42: cp I guess Dolphin use ...
[15:50] <yofel> Yellabs: did apport say that gparted crashed? or did it just vanish?
[15:50] <cemc> yofel: where is /dev/shm enabled/mounted? it's not in the fstab (anymore)
[15:50] <WoAnerges> bencrisford, am here
[15:50] <oxymoron> penguin42: Anyway its finished now recently, finally to remove grub and try to reinstall
[15:50] <penguin42> oxymoron: Oh, you're doing it with a gui to copy a lot of stuff? Haha bad idea
[15:50] <Yellabs> it just vanishes , but with the bash i do have some info
[15:50] <penguin42> oxymoron: Use tar to make a tar backup of stuff, it'll do it in a fraction of the time
[15:50] <oxymoron> penguin42: Yeah, I noticed that but I learn to next time ...
[15:50] <yofel> cemc: no idea
[15:50] <Yellabs> would i use pastebin so you can see it?
[15:50] <zonyl> Is there supposed to be an applet to control volume by default, or do I manually have to start that every time I login?
[15:50] <oxymoron> penguin42: How to use tar then and copy?
[15:51] <penguin42> oxymoron: tar -cvzf /place/to/put/the/compressedarchive.tgz  /directory/to/backup
[15:51] <Sarvatt> zonyl: install indicator-sound?
[15:51] <penguin42> oxymoron: cd /directory/you/want/to/put/it; tar -xvzf /place/you/put/the/compressedarchive.tgz
[15:52] <penguin42> actually change that first one to  cd /directory/to/backup; tar -cvzf /place/to/put/the/compressedarchive.tgz .
[15:52] <oxymoron> penguin42: Alright, I use that one next time ... lol :P
[15:52] <penguin42> only difference is path in the archive
[15:52] <holstein> !gdm
[15:53] <yofel> holstein: what do you need?
[15:53] <holstein> yofel: hey
[15:53] <Yellabs> gparted crashes , daily build, tested today , 28 march pastbin file : http://pastebin.com/498ijdet
[15:53] <holstein> i updated
[15:53] <zonyl> Sarvatt: Thanks. Is that a new package?  I have ubuntu on this machine for years and never knew that was a seperate package.
[15:53] <oxymoron> Now I removed grub from MBR. Do you know which paths grub could be in except /etc/default/grub, etc/grub.d and /boot/grub?
[15:53] <holstein> and i got te mythbuntu-gdm-theme
[15:53] <Yellabs> who would like to report it , feel free to do so..
[15:53] <psusi> oxymoron, what?
[15:53] <holstein> the*
[15:54] <oxymoron> psusi: Huh?
[15:54] <holstein> !ubuntu-gdm-theme
[15:54] <Dr_Willis> oxymoron:  what are you trying to do exactly?
[15:54] <psusi> oxymoron, what do you mean "which paths grub could be in"?
[15:54] <Sarvatt> zonyl: yeah its new, it should have been brought in automatically but i'm guessing you dont have the ubuntu-desktop metapackage installed
[15:54] <Sarvatt> well new as in a few months old
[15:54] <Yellabs> have to go for a reboot
[15:54] <oxymoron> psusi: Yes, installation paths for grub2 1.98 or 1.97 all versions both old and new
[15:54] <yofel> !info ubuntu-gdm-themes > holstein
[15:55] <psusi> oxymoron, question does not make sense... what are you trying to do?
[15:55] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: As I said before ;) Remove grub and install a clean copy to maybe get it working correct to boot into lucid
[15:55] <Dr_Willis> removeing and reinstalling proberly dont do much, Yiu could of used the --purge  option to remove any configs
[15:55] <oxymoron> psusi: Its much that doesnt make sense, but when it doesnt work reconfigure, reinstall with dpkg and so on, you need to do it manually
[15:55] <holstein> yofel: thanks... Package ubuntu-gdm-themes does not exist in lucid
[15:56] <psusi> oxymoron, do WHAT manually?
[15:56] <holstein> SO what is just the default GDM theme?
[15:56] <Dr_Willis> i had an issue where the installer installed grub to the wrong HD. leaving an older version on the hd that was booting
[15:56] <oxymoron> Dr_Willis: I have used purge but it didnt remove all files because I compiled grub before from source
[15:56] <zonyl> Sarvatt: Interesting.. ubuntu-desktop is installed, however, it is stuck at the older version.
[15:56] <yofel> holstein: yes, it was there until karmic
[15:56] <psusi> oxymoron, if you are trying to reinstall grub, run grub-install
[15:56] <oxymoron> psusi: Remove ALL possible grub installation files
[15:56] <psusi> oxymoron, why would you want to do that?
[15:56] <oxymoron> psusi: Yes, I know
[15:56] <WoAnerges>  i have 4gb of memory and i don know what ubuntu to install, - amd64 or x86, because i have not amd i have intell
[15:56] <yofel> holstein: no idea, the new gdm works completely different from the old one
[15:56] <holstein> hmmm
[15:57] <holstein> i didnt install myth-anything
[15:57] <oxymoron> psusi: Because grub is buggy and it doesnt work reinstall the usual way trhough dpkg or apt
[15:57] <holstein> strange
[15:57] <oxymoron> Anyway, grub paths please?
[15:57] <holstein> i got mythbuntu-gdm-theme installed somehow
[15:57] <psusi> oxymoron, and how is removing it going to help?  you need to grub-install it properly
[15:57] <oxymoron> psusi: Remove all files to make it completly clean before install it
[15:57]  * holstein will try removing myth-packages
[15:58] <psusi> oxymoron, there's nothing wrong with the package files... if you are having a problem it is because grub-install is not doing the right thing
[15:58] <oxymoron> psusi: I guess there was some complications or conflicts between two different versions of grub
[15:58] <robin0800> WoAnerges: intel 64 bits?
[15:58] <oxymoron> psusi: I compiled from grub2 source before in the wrong way for awhile ago and I havent fixed it I guess since then
[15:59] <dupondje> hmz, the loginscreen asks 2 times the pass now?
[15:59] <psusi> ohh, why did you do that?  heh... then just remove the grub-pc and grub-common packages and reinstall them
[15:59] <dupondje> not login, but screenshot lock
[15:59] <Viper1432> holstein,  I'm having the same issue here. package indicates its broken when trying to remove, fails to remove it.  Betting someone didn't flip ze right bits when sending that stuff out.
[15:59] <WoAnerges> i dont know
[15:59] <WoAnerges> Intell Core2 Duo
[16:00] <WoAnerges> 2.2
[16:00] <WoAnerges> ghz
[16:00] <yofel> WoAnerges: those certainly are 64bits, so you have the choice
[16:00] <oxymoron> psusi: Already tried that, still buggy after removed everything with dpkg (grub-pc, grub-common and so on). I need to make it manually to remove some possible source code files used
[16:00]  * BUGabundo reconsiders having "buggy" on highlight
[16:00] <oxymoron> psusi: I did that because I was trying if grpahic mode gfx was enabled in the development version xD Silly me I know xD
[16:01] <WoAnerges> so i can install AMD64 on intel based hardware?
[16:01] <psusi> oxymoron, no, you don't... reinstalling the package installed all the files, replacing any that were there, if you are still having problems it is because grub-install is not doing the right thing
[16:01] <WoAnerges> why it calls amd64 than? =\
[16:01] <yofel> WoAnerges: because amd invented it
[16:01] <robin0800> WoAnerges: amd were first with 64bits
[16:01] <yofel> actually it would be better to call it something like x86_64
[16:02] <holstein> Viper1432: i removed the 2 mythbuntu packages i had
[16:02] <psusi> actually no, intel had a 64 bit system first but it was not backward compatible so it didn't get widely adopted
[16:02] <holstein> with synaptic
[16:02] <WoAnerges> ohh
[16:02] <oxymoron> psusi: Yes, but reinstalling does NOT delete files that were there before? ::P
[16:02] <WoAnerges> hehe
[16:02] <holstein> and its back to normal
[16:02] <holstein> the login
[16:02] <psusi> oxymoron, yes, it does...
[16:03] <holstein> yofel: thanks
[16:03] <yofel> psusi: does anyone actually use ia64 today?
[16:03] <holstein> for your help
[16:03] <oxymoron> psusi: Not if the new package doesnt have those files in its package?
[16:03] <psusi> yofel, no... it's dead
[16:03] <oxymoron> psusi: The devel source have some files that the "stable" version in Lucid or Karmic DOESNT have
[16:03] <psusi> oxymoron, then they aren't used
[16:03] <oxymoron> psusi: They could conflict
[16:04] <WoAnerges> so i must call everyone <motherś> <first name> because mothers invented them :D
[16:04] <WoAnerges> Luciaś Alpert
[16:05] <holstein> Viper1432: i had mythbuntu-default settings and mythbuntu-gdm-theme, same for you?
[16:05] <WoAnerges> Veronica´s Brian Malcovich
[16:05] <holstein> did you file?
[16:05] <yofel> WoAnerges: no you don't, the kernel for example uses x86 and x86_64 to tell them apart
[16:05] <yofel> don't know who had the idea with amd64
[16:06] <WoAnerges> i think its an simple pre-payed advertising
[16:08] <oxymoron> WTF?! WHY on earth do I get "grub-install (GNU GRUB 1.97+experimental)" by grub-install if I isntalled 1.98? :S
[16:09] <oxymoron> How do I check which grub version thats actually installed on the hdd? Not the debian package, I want to check which version on hdd
[16:10] <C-S-B-N900> oxymoron, look at the files.
[16:10] <C-S-B-N900> grub2 looks alot different.
[16:10] <oxymoron> C-S-B-N900: Which one?
[16:10] <oxymoron> C-S-B-N900: Yeah, but difference between 1.97 and 1.98?
[16:10] <darkfile> hi
[16:10] <psusi> dpkg -S `which grub-install` should say grub-pc... apt-cache show grub-pc should show version 1.98... does it?
[16:11] <darkfile> i want to install a .deb which has sun-java6-jre as prerequisite
[16:11] <darkfile> but that package doesnt exist
[16:11] <darkfile> how can i override this?
[16:11] <ShawnR> I'm having issues trying to update/upgrade/up-something my video drivers for i945: http://pastebin.com/0WYSvcZz
[16:11] <C-S-B-N900> oxymoron: try rebooting and looking at it.
[16:11] <psusi> darkfile, then the package is broken
[16:11] <yofel> darkfile: sun-java6-jre does exits in the canonical partner repos
[16:11] <darkfile> ah
[16:11] <darkfile> so i need to enable the partner repo
[16:11] <yofel> *exist
[16:12] <ShawnR> i get that when trying to ./configure the drivers downloaded from intellinuxgraphics.org
[16:12] <oxymoron> psusi: It says 1.98 on grub2 package but 1.97 on grub-common? :S
[16:12] <psusi> oxymoron, then update your grub-common ;)
[16:12] <psusi> oxymoron, and did the dpkg -S say grub-pc?
[16:12] <yofel> ShawnR: why do you want to build your own drivers?
[16:13] <ShawnR> i can't get opengl to work for a game in wine
[16:13] <ShawnR> so i'm trying to do something to fix it... grasping for straws
[16:13] <Glowball> onBoard isn't using my keyboard layout properly: it displays azerty (as it should, that's my layout), but when I type on it, it uses qwerty
[16:13] <darkfile> thank you, with the partner repos it works :)
[16:13] <yofel> ShawnR: try the driver packages from the xorg-edgers ppa, those are bleeding edge, there was an updates repos with newer stable drivers somewhere too
[16:13] <oxymoron> psusi: It said: "grub-pc: /usr/sbin/grub-install"
[16:14] <ShawnR> yofel: how do i do that?
[16:14] <oxymoron> psusi: grub2 is 1.98 but common and pc is 1.97 :S
[16:14] <psusi> oxymoron, well, sounds like you need to upgrade common
[16:14] <yofel> ShawnR: give me a moment
[16:14] <ShawnR> k
[16:14] <oxymoron> psusi: I guess I have to manually upgrade because apt doesnt
[16:14] <psusi> why?
[16:14] <psusi> mine's at 1.98
[16:15] <yofel> ShawnR: you'll find them here (please read the full ppa description) https://edge.launchpad.net/~xorg-edgers/+archive/ppa
[16:15] <ShawnR> already there reading it :)
[16:16] <oxymoron> psusi: Sorry I typed the command into wrong tab and checked version of LiveCD hahahaha
[16:16] <oxymoron> psusi: On the right one I got: "dpkg: /usr/local/sbin/grub-install couldnt be found."
[16:17] <yofel> oxymoron: /usr/local/ o.O?
[16:17] <yofel> oxymoron: do you have a self-compiled grub version on your pc?
[16:17] <oxymoron> psusi: Its 1.98-1 on pc, common and grub2
[16:17] <oxymoron> yofel: No, not now it isnt self-compiled
[16:18] <yofel> oxymoron: well, why do you have a /usr/local/sbin/grub-install file then?
[16:18] <psusi> oxymoron, uh-huh... and are you also running grub-install from the livecd?
[16:18] <oxymoron> yofel: I have no idea
[16:19] <oxymoron> psusi: No I run grub-install in chroot?
[16:19] <yofel> oxymoron: what does /usr/sbin/grub-install -v tell you?
[16:19] <oxymoron> yofel: /usr/sbin/grub-install -v
[16:19] <oxymoron> grub-install (GNU GRUB 1.98-1ubuntu2)
[16:19] <psusi> well there you go
[16:19] <yofel> oxymoron: ok, then please get rid of the grub software in /usr/local, that will fix your issue
[16:20] <oxymoron> But why does: "dpkg -S `which grub-install`
[16:20] <oxymoron> dpkg: /usr/local/sbin/grub-install kunde ej hittas.
[16:20] <oxymoron> "
[16:20] <oxymoron> couldnt be found
[16:20] <yofel> oxymoron: /usr/local is for self built stuff and has a higher priority than /usr
[16:20] <Viper1432> holstein,  yep. sorry for the delay there. was bug reporting a new bluez issue that popped up.
[16:20] <oxymoron> yofel: Alright, well /usr/local is empty
[16:20] <holstein> Viper1432: np
[16:20] <psusi> because the one in local is not part of a package, that's the one yuo compiled
[16:20] <yofel> oxymoron: that's why 'which grub-install' searches in /usr/local first
[16:21] <psusi> which is why I had you run dpkg -S `which grub-install` earlier... which you aparently ran on the livecd
[16:21] <oxymoron> yofel: So I should delete folder /usr/local?
[16:21] <oxymoron> psusi: I ran it on chroot on correct partition after ;)
[16:21] <oxymoron> Its quite confusing by having multiple tabs in konsole :D
[16:22] <yofel> oxymoron: no, delete the contents of /usr/local and re-create the base directory structure in there again when you need it
[16:23] <oxymoron> yofel: Ah, now finally I ofund the problem :D
[16:23] <yofel> oxymoron: after that, either restart your shells or type 'hash -r' in there
[16:23] <oxymoron> yofel: Its not empty, looked in wrong folder. I was confused once again by / and /mnt because correct on is mounted on /mnt and not / :D
[16:24] <yofel> oxymoron: well.. if you're chrooted in there it should be / (that's what we assumed ;) )
[16:24] <oxymoron> yofel: Btw, how do you empty an folder, or never mind I forgot wildcard * xD
[16:24] <oxymoron> yofel: Yeah, but I looked in DOlphin from LiveCD :D
[16:24] <yofel> ah ^^
[16:25] <oxymoron> yofel: Btw, I have a structure in /usr/local that have a folder Zend for my Zend Studio, which one should I delete in there?
[16:25] <yofel> oxymoron: after you deleted the contents make sure that you add /usr/local/sbin and /usr/local/bin back again, those folders are required I think
[16:26] <oxymoron> yofel: I found a lot of grub files there
[16:26] <yofel> oxymoron: no idea, I don't know what you put in there, but you should delete any binaries and libraries belonging to grub
[16:27] <oxymoron> yofel: /usr/local/share then?
[16:27] <yofel> oxymoron: safest way, backup the folder and remove anything in /usr/local/*
[16:27] <oxymoron> yofel: Good idea :)
[16:29] <oxymoron> yofel: Why doesnt cp copy /usr/local? It says exluding /usr/local? :S
[16:30] <yofel> oxymoron: 'cp -r' to copy the folder
[16:30] <oxymoron> yofel: Haha, silly me yes of course :)
[16:31] <oxymoron> yofel: Hmm, the cp freeze ...
[16:32] <yofel> oxymoron: it doesn't tell you that what it does
[16:32] <yofel> oxymoron: wait for it to finish
[16:32] <yofel> s/that//
[16:32] <oxymoron> -v
[16:32] <oxymoron> I forgot verbouse output
[16:33] <oxymoron> yofel: Oh damn a log file on 1 GB, that explain why it "frooze" :D
[16:33] <oxymoron> No its more xD
[16:34] <vinicius> What is the feed reader that integrates the most with the "social ubuntu" stuff? Like evolution, gwibber and empathy
[16:34] <oxymoron> 2 GB log file ...
[16:36] <oxymoron> yofel: Really thank you, I didnt know about that /usr/local goes before /usr
[16:37] <yofel> oxymoron: the shell searches the folders in your PATH variable for an executable and executes the first it finds when you want to run a command
[16:38] <yofel> oxymoron: run 'echo $PATH' to see what it searches
[16:38] <oxymoron> /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin
[16:39] <oxymoron> yofel: How to solve this then: "grub-install -v
[16:39] <oxymoron> bash: /usr/local/sbin/grub-install: File or folder doesnt exist"?
[16:39] <yofel> oxymoron: 'hash -r'
[16:39] <oxymoron> yofel: Ah thank you :) What does hash -r do?
[16:39] <yofel> bash remembers the path of the executable so that it won't search for it again in a hash table, -r resets it
[16:40] <oxymoron> yofel: Aha, nice :) Thanks for explanation. MAYBE grub will actually work now :)
[16:40] <oxymoron> Maybe Lucid work as well then :)
[16:41] <oxymoron> yofel: Thanks for all help and psusi, penguin42, C-S-B-N900, Dr_Willis, aigarus and everyone :)
[16:42]  * oxymoron is brb, rebooting ... and hopefully into Lucid :P
[16:42] <yofel> good luck ^^
[16:42] <C-S-B-N900> go for it!
[16:42] <BenHoltz> hey everyone i need some help with my ubuntu instalation.  I have upgraded to the 10.04 version and I'm having problems with grub loading.  Can someone point me in the right direction to re-configuring grub?
[16:42] <Viper1432> and I can just see yofel banging his head on his keyboard about now.  :D
[16:42] <C-S-B-N900> you need to edit /etc/defaults/grub
[16:43] <yofel> Viper1432: how right you are :D
[16:43] <Viper1432> what timing THAT question was.  (choking on coffee over here.)  :D
[16:43] <C-S-B-N900> im sure a tutorial on grub2 will be more helpful.
[16:43] <yofel> we have...
[16:43] <yofel> !grub2 | BenHoltz
[16:44] <kriogetron> I get this error"K2 - Fatal Error: ARB_vertex_buffer_object not available." when trying to run heroes of newerth on ubuntu 10.4
[16:44] <kriogetron> What can I do?
[16:45] <BenHoltz> yofel: thanks, i'll try there first...
[16:45] <Viper1432> anyone besides me and holstein seeing a wierd mess with today's updates and a "mythbuntu-gdm-icon" issue?  Just curious as this package is broke, but I'm loathe to remove mythbuntu-settings as it includes x-264 stuff.  And nope this ain't no mythbuntu install.  :)
[16:45] <BUGabundo> hey!!! mocp went to background and I can't pull it back to foreground :(
[16:47] <guntbert> BUGabundo: what is mocp?
[16:47] <Viper1432> I'd just submit a bug report, but frankly I'm not sure what bug to submit and for what exactly at this point.
[16:48] <BUGabundo> guntbert: eggs on chocolate, with champagne :!
[16:48] <BUGabundo> IOW bets music player ever , for cli, guntbert
[16:48] <BUGabundo> !info mocp
[16:48] <BUGabundo> booo bot
[16:48] <BUGabundo> !info moc
[16:49] <guntbert> BUGabundo: is the terminal still open?
[16:49] <BUGabundo> of course
[16:49] <BUGabundo> and music playing
[16:49] <guntbert> BUGabundo: is it listed with jobs ?
[16:49] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: I will need more details to help you
[16:49] <BUGabundo> guntbert: not there!
[16:49] <kriogetron> Any ideas how can i install my driver for my ati hd4330 on lucid?
[16:50] <kriogetron> restricted driver manager doesn't get it:(
[16:50] <BUGabundo> it starts a daemon and a ncurser at the same time
[16:50] <BUGabundo> sorry kriogetron, but I don't!
[16:50] <kriogetron> BUGabundo, :) thanks anyway
[16:50] <guntbert> BUGabundo: could it be that only the daemon keeps running while the frontend died
[16:50] <viator>  my lucid install was just updated now it takes 20 seconds longer to boot there was one package that asked it i wanted my version or maintainers i chose mine
[16:51] <viator> i doo see something about plymouth when it boots
[16:51] <BUGabundo> guntbert: yes. it supports so. but now I want to recall the gui in sync with daemon
[16:51] <holstein> BUGabundo: i had mythbuntu-default settings and mythbuntu-gdm-theme
[16:51] <viator> but it goes by to fast to read
[16:51] <BUGabundo> viator: install bootchart and check what's taking so long
[16:51] <Viper1432> BUGabundo,  today's updates are trying to install "mythbuntu-gdm-theme", but its broke.  unfortunately it won't uninstall as it didn't install..and now I'm getting the big red minus sign in the status tray with update manager freaking out.
[16:51] <BUGabundo> I'm suspecting ureadahead
[16:52]  * BenHoltz wishes that the grub update utility was more clear, saving him 10-30 mins of his life.
[16:52] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: $ sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude safe-upgrade
[16:53] <Viper1432> BUGabundo,  been there tried that t-shirt already...no joy.
[16:53] <viator> i think it was grub that asked bout wich version i wanted
[16:53] <guntbert> BUGabundo: my idea was that the frontend died accidentially - you would have to restart it without restarting the daemon as well - and then try to re-attach
[16:53] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: when that's done check (but DON'T apply) what $ sudo aptitude full-upgrade suggests
[16:53] <BUGabundo> guntbert: that's what I'm trying, but don't know how
[16:53] <viator> thats why im pretty sure it has todo with it also got the new kernel version
[16:53] <BUGabundo> Viper1432: rerun update-grub ?
[16:53] <Viper1432> lol BUGabundo
[16:54] <oxymoron> Awesome, I must ask ... yofel: WHich order does BIOS check drives, and what happens of two disks are marked as boot disk? Only sdc has grub2 and sda nothing
[16:54] <guntbert> BUGabundo: ah sorry (your description wasn't too clear for me...)
[16:54] <BUGabundo> guntbert: yeah, sorry
[16:55] <Viper1432> for some odd reason (and holstein was having the same issue) my lucid install thinks it needs mythbuntu-default-settings. ..which of course that gdm-theme 'would' require.  But this is a clean lucid build.  betting someone fergot to flip ze bits when that was sent 'out'.
[16:55] <guntbert> BUGabundo: np :) and Good luck :-)
[16:56] <Viper1432> of course that wasn't the only borkage with today's stuff.  bluez went zappo and I lost my mx5000 keyboard/mouse rig...bug reported that one though.
[16:56] <yofel> oxymoron: I think the bios uses the hardware oder of your hdd connections (dunno if ide or sata come first), and you should be able to set a custom boot order in your bios
[16:56] <oxymoron> yofel: If I change order in BIOS would that affect grub someway, does it be confused? :D
[16:56] <yofel> I personally never tried to boot from anything else than sda
[16:57] <yofel> oxymoron: I really have no idea about that
[16:58] <guntbert> oxymoron: not if you use the uuid numbers
[16:59] <oxymoron> guntbert: Ah, smart ;)
[16:59] <yofel> ah, indeed ^^
[16:59] <viator> howdo i run bootchart
[16:59] <viator> i installed it
[16:59] <yofel> !bootchart | viator
[17:00] <viator> got it
[17:00] <viator> there was no man for it
[17:00] <viator> heh
[17:00] <oxymoron> guntbert: Do you remeber the command to check UUID? Something with bskid?
[17:01] <guntbert> oxymoron: its blkid
[17:01] <kriogetron> Is there someone that can help me with my issue?
[17:01] <viator> brb\
[17:01] <Viper1432> kriogetron,  don't ask to ask....just state the issue.
[17:01] <guntbert> !ask | kriogetron
[17:01] <aboSamoor_> guys, can any one help me with ubuntu and ubuntu netbook, i tried daily images of them and still i have problem booting my toshiba nb200. I get the following error "gave up waiting for root device"
[17:01] <kriogetron> Viper1432,  I stated it already!
[17:01] <yofel> Viper1432: he already did
[17:02] <kriogetron> Viper1432, I get this error"K2 - Fatal Error: ARB_vertex_buffer_object not available." when trying to run heroes of newerth on ubuntu 10.4
[17:02] <Viper1432> well color me scrolled off the screen...seems guntbert missed it as well.. my apologies.
[17:02] <kriogetron> I don't want to spam that question again and again.
[17:02] <oxymoron> guntbert: Cool, I almost remembered :P
[17:02] <Viper1432> kriogetron,  which video driver?
[17:02] <oxymoron> guntbert: Thanks :)
[17:02] <guntbert> oxymoron: you're welcome :-)
[17:03] <kriogetron> Viper1432,  I have a ati hd4330...when I was running 9.10 it worked like a charm but i updated today and it doesn't work
[17:03] <kriogetron> Viper1432,  The game refuses to start and i get that error in the terminal.
[17:03] <oxymoron> guntbert: Every UUID is unique for that disk right? So if I change all of them from /dev/sd* to UUID number it will work perfect no matter what order it boot later on?
[17:03] <kriogetron> Viper1432,  If this helps you when going to hardware drivers i only have my broadcom driver listed there and enabled
[17:04] <Viper1432> sorry kriogetron that brand is outta my area of knowing.  i'm an nvidia guy.  But today's updates seem less than happy on several fronts...so you're not alone in the egads department today.
[17:04] <BenHoltz> the unstuctions in the wiki to "Recover Grub 2 via LiveCD" are not very clear...
[17:04] <BUGabundo> guntbert: at least is still playing. and I can kill it any time :p. I just miss the controls!
[17:04] <kriogetron> Viper1432,  there is no ati there but in ubuntu software center there is a green thick on the drivers.
[17:04] <kriogetron> Viper1432,  it's ok:P
[17:05] <kriogetron> Viper1432, could i downgrade
[17:05] <guntbert> oxymoron: thats the idea - yes - I cannot guarantee it though :) (never having tried)
[17:05] <kriogetron> Viper1432,  from 10.04 to 9.10?
[17:05] <BUGabundo> FFUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
[17:05] <BenHoltz> can someone help me understand what do do with this step? "Now you need to edit the /etc/default/grub file to fit your system"
[17:05] <BUGabundo> yofel: remember that time I said that if I set my CPU to conservative after a while it would stuck at MAX ? its back :(
[17:05] <kriogetron> Viper1432, from 10.04 back to 9.10?
[17:05] <guntbert> BUGabundo: and why don't you kill it off and restart both?
[17:05] <yofel> BUGabundo: heh
[17:06] <oxymoron> guntbert: Do you know how the UUID works, does it do some kind of hash of the partition table?
[17:06] <BUGabundo> guntbert: just did
[17:06] <Viper1432> kriogetron,  how about a little less radical surgery there.  if today's updates seem to be the issue (specifically with the video driver), then it might be more prudent to either just wait a bit...or run a separate partition for stuff you don't want breaking.
[17:06] <Viper1432> (with said sep. partition running a production release rather than a beta version of the OS.)
[17:07] <kriogetron> Viper1432,  thanks :)
[17:07] <Viper1432> np
[17:07] <guntbert> oxymoron: I don't really know, but it should not depend on the partition table, as far as I know it it determined once, written to the disk and never changed
[17:07] <guntbert> *it is
[17:07] <BUGabundo> yofel: you got any ideas on how to debug this kernel bug / scheduler ?
[17:08] <BenHoltz> anyone?
[17:08] <oxymoron> guntbert: It must depend on partition table I guess, or else the uuid cant be unique to a certain partition :P I think its the hdd volume id + partition position in table and then some kind of md5 hash of that
[17:09] <oxymoron> This is correct syntax in fstab, right? "UUID=0217bfcb-1802-4a97-a6db-12e5c43b896b /media/Sandbox ext4 defaults 0 2"
[17:10] <bencrisford> on lucid i cannot seem to find a menu.lst file for grub...
[17:10] <bencrisford> is there a similar file with a new name?
[17:11] <ZykoticK9> bencrisford, /etc/default/grub
[17:11] <bencrisford> ZykoticK9: did it not used to be /boot/grum/menu.lst ?
[17:11] <holstein> !grub2
[17:11] <ZykoticK9> bencrisford, prior to Karmic (systems using Grub-legacy) YES
[17:11] <guntbert> oxymoron: without the quotes, yes (and I always keep a short description of that partition in a comment above)
[17:12] <oxymoron> guntbert: NTFS partitions get much shorter UUID I noticed
[17:12] <di> can anyone get html5 <audio> to work properly in firefox?
[17:12] <oxymoron> guntbert: My labels are the same as mount points and I have really good overview of all in my head :)
[17:12] <di> i don't know if it's a pulseaudio issue or what, but i can't get http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Rondo_Alla_Turka.ogg to play past 00:00...
[17:12] <oxymoron> guntbert: Thanks anyway though :)
[17:12] <ZykoticK9> bencrisford, be sure to run update-grub (with sudo) to apply any changes you make
[17:12] <di> small burst of sound then nothing
[17:13] <guntbert> oxymoron: :)
[17:13] <bencrisford> ZykoticK9: i dont want to make any changes, im helping someone on forums and i want to see the contents of their config file
[17:13] <ZykoticK9> di, that OGG on Wikipedia is working is working here
[17:13] <Viper1432> di, its working over here with no issues.
[17:13] <di> alright thanks
[17:13] <di> must be something i've done then heh
[17:14] <Viper1432> clear cache, restart the browser di ?
[17:14] <Viper1432> mozart definitely was the man.  :D
[17:15] <di> Viper1432, yeah, i'll try that - thing is i was experimenting with <audio> for some little private web project i'm working on
[17:15] <ZykoticK9> Viper1432, is that who that was?  I didn't even look at the page but have been listening since di asked the question in #ubuntu -- not bad
[17:15] <di> i just found the wikipedia ogg to try and see if audio playing worked for me at all
[17:15] <di> yeah, sorry for the cross-channel spam. heh.
[17:16] <Viper1432> yep ZykoticK9 , from the 3rd movement of piano sonata 11.  Rockstar of his age.
[17:16] <di> cheers, laters
[17:17] <oxymoron> guntbert: Btw, does it matter which order it is in the fstab? For overview I want to put cdrom drive togehter with usb mount, but is that stupid to do?
[17:19] <guntbert> oxymoron: order matters where you want to mount one device into the "tree" of another one (like / must be mounted before /home, and /var before /var/log), from example I'd put removable devices towards the end
[17:21] <oxymoron> guntbert: Yeah, but I thought putting USB and CDROM mountpoints before OS mountpiunts and storage points?
[17:21] <guntbert> oxymoron: not sure, but I would keep them at the end
[17:23] <oxymoron> guntbert: As for default cdrom is on the end and usb is on the top
[17:24] <guntbert> oxymoron: ok - I have no usb lines here - I guess it should not matter
[17:24] <oxymoron> guntbert: I have: "proc /proc proc defaults 0 0
[17:24] <oxymoron> /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults,devmode=666 0 0
[17:24] <oxymoron> "
[17:25] <guntbert> oxymoron: I have not :)
[17:27] <oxymoron> guntbert: Awesome I accidently removed cdrom post, do you have that line near you? :P
[17:28] <oxymoron> NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO crap, I pressed ctrl+x in nano, every disapppeared :'(
[17:28] <oxymoron> GAH
[17:28] <guntbert> oxymoron: /dev/scd0       /media/cdrom0   udf,iso9660 user,noauto,exec,utf8 0       0
[17:29] <guntbert> oxymoron: I think nano creates backup-copies
[17:29] <oxymoron> guntbert: Is it possible to restore?
[17:29] <BenHoltz8> I'm having problems hooking my ubuntu desktop up to my flatscreen tv via RGB.  It gets to grub, then goes out of sync, any suggestions?
[17:29] <oxymoron> and how?
[17:29] <BenHoltz8> i mean VGA
[17:30] <zonyl> I upgraded my "ubuntu-desktop" package in lucid and now my wifi connection manager seems to have disappeared from the notification applet.  Anyone know how to get this back?
[17:30] <guntbert> oxymoron: look into /etc - if there is something like ~fstab or the like
[17:31] <guntbert> oxymoron: and if not: you can always recreate it manually ("My labels are the same as mount points and I have really good overview of all in my head :)")  ;-)
[17:31] <ibnulislam> After installing Lucid I am going to update it but unusually the process is very slow (10-15 KBps) although my connection support (120 KBps). Is it a matter of Beta repository servers running on slow speed connections?
[17:31] <oxymoron> guntbert: Nope it isnt, fuck
[17:32] <guntbert> !language
[17:32] <SwedeMike> ibnulislam: no.
[17:32] <BenHoltz8> anyone have any ideas of where to start with my flatscreen VGA problems with ubuntu 10.04 going out of sync after grub loads?
[17:33] <ibnulislam> SwedeMike: How can I tweek it?
[17:33] <michalxo_lucid> hello! where to ask for help about lucid_bugs?
[17:33] <SwedeMike> ibnulislam: I don't know. you need to diagnose what the problem is. When I tried 10.04 I didn't see this difference.
[17:33] <michalxo_lucid> I am unable to see whole /topic via emapthy
[17:34] <Viper1432> holstein,  i think i got over the mybuntu oddness.
[17:34] <oxymoron> guntbert: Oh sorry about that, wasnt mean to type that kind of word I just didnt think that I should not type what I think :D
[17:34] <michalxo_lucid> ok, I've just grabbed and burned yesterdays image of lucid, and I have here NO SOUND
[17:35] <michalxo_lucid> alsamixer is fine, clickable-on-panel-applet is dead too
[17:35]  * bBenHoltz wants to use his ubuntu 10.04 badly!
[17:35] <michalxo_lucid> any ideas how to get  sound?
[17:35] <guntbert> oxymoron: well - I just tested with nano: how did you manage to accidentiall write your changes out to disk - it asks twice
[17:35] <guntbert> *accidentially
[17:36] <zonyl> bBenHoltz: Have you tried setting the modes on bootup: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting
[17:36] <yofel> michalxo_lucid: anything muted in the sound settings?
[17:36] <michalxo_lucid> no yofel
[17:36] <bBenHoltz> zonyl: this is a fresh upgrade/install I'
[17:36] <bBenHoltz> i'll give that a shot
[17:36] <bBenHoltz> ;)
[17:37] <jpds> ibnulislam: Which mirror are you using?
[17:37] <Viper1432> michalxo_lucid,  was sound working with 9.10?
[17:37] <bBenHoltz> zonyl: thank you. :)
[17:37] <zonyl> bBenHoltz: I had wicked trouble trying to get my HDMI working on a radeonHD and had to play around with kms
[17:37] <ibnulislam> jpds: USA mirror
[17:37] <jpds> ibnulislam: us.archive?
[17:37] <michalxo_lucid> my output says only DUMMY output, input is empty, and HW is 1 listed item..
[17:37] <michalxo_lucid> Viper1432: yes, I am just testing liveCD, everything works good in 9.10
[17:37] <oxymoron> guntbert: I accidently hold backspace and removed one line ... in the edit mode and you cant do crtl+z xD
[17:38] <guntbert> oxymoron: ok - what is left from your file?
[17:39] <gbear14275> hey guys
[17:39] <yofel> michalxo_lucid: you could file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug audio' as this should work and talk to crimsun when he's here
[17:40] <oxymoron> guntbert: I pressed ctrl + z and get out of nano and get back to original working one
[17:40] <guntbert> oxymoron: fine :)
[17:41] <gbear14275> ran into an error (probably my fault) but thought I would see if anyone has seen it before.  Upgraded my server and may have installed grub to the wrong disk (although thought I picked the right one).  Ran into a grub rescue> prompt and have been following a rescue walkthrough.  on the insmod /grub/linux.mod step though I run into the following error, " error message: 'grub_puts_' not found"  Following steps here:  http:/
[17:41] <bBenHoltz> zonyl: is kms on by default?
[17:41] <gbear14275> this is the first reboot after upgrade
[17:42] <yofel> zonyl: kms should be on by default
[17:42] <yofel> er... bBenHoltz ^
[17:42] <bBenHoltz> thank yofel!
[17:42] <yofel> stupid netsplit -.-
[17:45] <gbear14275> bueller?
[17:46] <gbear14275> no one ran into any initial boot problems after upgrade on server?
[17:47] <oxymoron> guntbert: Ah now I test to reboot and HOPEFULLY everything magicly should work out of the box. Wish me good luck :D
[17:47]  * oxymoron is brb
[17:47] <michalxo_lucid> gl oxymoron
[17:47] <gbear14275> oxymoron: might see you soon with same problem
[17:47] <gbear14275> but gl
[17:53] <michalxo_lucid> Viper1432: going back to stable system, bug reported, few others have the same issue I hope it will be soon fixed :-)
[17:53] <michalxo_lucid> later guys!
[17:53] <Viper1432> good luck michalxo_lucid
[17:53] <jameswf> Greetings: So I an pretty sure this is  bug but no one has reported it. Apache is nor interpreting php though php5 is installed... :(
[17:54] <jameswf> *not
[17:55] <jameswf> yay netsplit
[17:55] <BenHoltz> freenode having issues today?
[17:55] <BUGabundo> YEP
[17:56] <Umeaboy> Bad hardware somewhere?
[17:56] <Viper1432> does the florist come on mother's day BenHoltz ?  :D
[17:56] <BenHoltz> well.. i need help!  can someone help me with disabling KMs?
[17:56] <Umeaboy> Why doesn't this also happen to me?
[17:56]  * BenHoltz shoots Viper1432
[17:56] <BenHoltz> :)
[17:56] <Viper1432> :D
[17:56] <penguin42> who eat the server?
[17:57] <DasEi> hmm, dpkg viat init1 not working for my vm, just a info, no proplem /supportquestion
[17:57] <Viper1432> I'm gonna close out for a bit.  good luck all.  oh and if holstein comes back....fix to the mythbuntu update issue is to remove mythbuntu-settings and then reinstall the individual bits that the meta package removed.
[17:58] <BenHoltz> I'm trying to disable kms on my machine so that i can use my flat screen TV. can someone help?
[17:58] <BenHoltz> bye viper
[17:58] <Viper1432> o/
[18:09] <penguin42> kriogetron: firegl is the closed source driver for radeons provided by ATI
[18:10] <DasEi> red:mount               <<entered in trml shows the device as mounted ?
[18:10] <Some_Person> Holy crap, for the first time plymouth actually showed up on boot
[18:12] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, started a couple of days ago - notice first in my VBox VMs, then yesterday rebooted my main box, and even with Nvidia Blob I'm getting Plymouth as well.
[18:12] <Some_Person> I have intel graphics
[18:12] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, wasn't it always possible with intel?
[18:13] <Some_Person> It was never working for me before
[18:13] <ZykoticK9> Some_Person, now if only there was currently a way to change the theme ;)
[18:14] <Some_Person> It was always appearing on shutdown, but never on boot
[18:14] <Some_Person> Oddly, one time on shutdown it showed the old ubuntu logo
[18:16] <arand> Nice, current plymouth pulls in, plymouth-theme, which picks mythbuntu-default-settings as the providing package, which pulls in xfce4-utils, with amongst other things thunar... whoopey.
[18:21] <BenHoltz> I need help disable kms on ubuntu 10.04 with integrated intel gfx so that i can use my flat screen TV. any ideas?
[18:21] <Daviey> arand: If you check there is a bug for that, it would be appreciated
[18:22] <penguin42> no problem
[18:23]  * BenHoltz hates ddos attacks when he needs help...
[18:24] <Sioux-33> wow we got catalyst 10.3 from ati it means ati cards will work with lucid ?
[18:24] <yofel_> BenHoltz: to disable kms add 'nomodeset' or i915.modeset=0 to the kernel grub line (not sure which one works)
[18:25] <BenHoltz> ok i'll try that
[18:26] <BenHoltz> yofel_: so when i'm in grub i hit e to edit the line then what?
[18:27] <Sioux-33> people does 10.3 catalyst work with lucid or not?
[18:27] <BenHoltz> yofel_: under kernel?
[18:27] <yofel_> BenHoltz: on the kernel line add 'i915.modeset=0' after 'ro' or 'ro quiet splash'
[18:27] <BenHoltz> yofel_: ok, thanks!
[18:28] <yofel_> Sioux-33: there is one that's supposed to work, but we had many reports that it doesn't quite work
[18:28] <arand> yofel_: Do you know if the plymouth-theme/mythbuntu thing is known&in-the-works?
[18:29] <Sioux-33> what about 10.3 catalyst ? it was released 3/24/2010
[18:29] <Daviey> arand: i'm working on it atm
[18:30] <arand> Daviey: Ok, cool, so it's all clear as far as cause&fix then?
[18:30] <BenHoltz> yofel_: i got further, it shows the splash screen then goes out of sync, what should i try next?
[18:30] <yofel_> BenHoltz: no idea,  I'm no X expert, sry
[18:31] <BenHoltz> yofel_: k thx.
[18:36] <BenHoltz> I need help with ubuntu 10.04 w/integrated intel gfx so that i can use my flat screen TV. I have tried disabling kms with grub, and no luck. any ideas?
[18:37] <ZykoticK9> BenHoltz, did you try "echo options i915 modeset=0 > /etc/modprobe.d/i915-kms.conf"?
[18:38] <BenHoltz> ZykoticK9: yes, but it gave me a file not found or insufficient privledges(via sudo)
[18:39] <ZykoticK9> BenHoltz, sorry no idea then - just saw that direction on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/KernelModeSetting
[18:39] <BenHoltz> >_<
[18:39] <BenHoltz> anyone else have ideas?
[18:40] <BenHoltz> ZykoticK9: thanks for looking. ;)
[18:40] <BUGabundo> ahahah users that just came to Lucid are confusing Bug 546650 with the older one
[18:40] <BUGabundo> the 9.04 notify-osd no action
[18:40] <HurricaneFL1> I have a minor problem... using a laptop with ACPI, but don't get information on the battery level
[18:41] <BUGabundo> I have no idea what someone coming from an older LTS will feel with ALL this changes
[18:41] <BUGabundo> HurricaneFL1: by default battery icon is hidden until discharing
[18:41] <BUGabundo> you can set it to be visible
[18:42] <BenHoltz> BUGabundo: any ideas with my issue?
[18:42] <BUGabundo> not tracking it
[18:42] <BUGabundo> what's up ?
[18:42] <HurricaneFL1> I did, but I get a message about ACPI not being found: something like sh:acpid not found
[18:42] <BUGabundo> HurricaneFL1: acpi is not isntalled
[18:42] <BenHoltz> I need help with ubuntu 10.04 w/integrated intel gfx so that i can use my flat screen TV via VGA. I have tried disabling kms with grub, and no luck. any ideas?
[18:43] <BUGabundo> ask in #ubuntu-x
[18:43] <BenHoltz> ;)
[18:43] <BenHoltz> thanks!
[18:43] <BUGabundo> np
[18:43] <BUGabundo> be gentle and _await_
[18:43] <BenHoltz> hehe
[18:44] <HurricaneFL1> ok, so what do I need to install to get things working? This is a Compaq Presario CQ60-427NR (previous OS was Win 7, but now using Lucid)
[18:46] <[diablo]> guys, well done with Beta1 .... very impressive, seems pretty stable here running on 1 x desktop and 1 x laptop
[18:47] <HurricaneFL1> I agree... just 3 minor hitches for me, ACPI, my printer, and that GDU notification about my HD failing even though this laptop is less than 6 months old
[18:50] <penguin42> HurricaneFL1: can you put the output of smartctl -a /dev/sda on a pastebin to see what it's saying about your hard drive ?
[18:51] <HurricaneFL1> hold on... visually impaired, and rely on Orca
[18:51] <penguin42> no problem
[18:53] <navetz> can someone help me out, during my upgrade everything broke. i have no xserver right now it wont load, just a terminal
[18:55] <penguin42> navetz: Try logging in and sudo start gdm    and say what happens
[18:56] <arand> penguin42: sudoe service gdm start right?
[18:56] <penguin42> arand: I don't *think* it needs 'service' or start but I may be wrong
[18:56] <navetz> penguin42: it says kdm is started but when i press alt ctrl f7 it says could not create session: no such file or directory.
[18:57] <penguin42> navetz: is X running (ps -eaf|grep X    does it show a /usr/bin/X )
[18:57] <penguin42> HurricaneFL1: You doing OK?
[18:57] <navetz> penguin42: no it doesn't show
[18:58] <penguin42> navetz: OK, what type of graphics card do you have?
[18:58] <navetz> intel onboard integrated graphics
[18:58] <yofel_> arand: either 'sudo start gdm' or 'sudo service gdm start' both work
[18:58] <penguin42> ok, that should be the easy one
[18:58] <navetz> penguin42: ^
[18:58] <penguin42> navetz: Try startx
[18:59] <navetz> penguin42: it seems to be working
[18:59] <arand> yofel_: ah, I learn something new.
[18:59] <navetz> penguin42: or maybe not lol, we'll see
[18:59] <penguin42> arand: And me - I didn't know about service !
[19:01] <navetz> penguin42: close! plasma workspace failed though, I just need to delete a config file to fix this i think, i did it on my other laptop the other day
[19:01] <penguin42> navetz: good, I don't know the KDE stuff really, so I'll leave that to you
[19:01] <navetz> penguin42: alright, thanks for the help.
[19:02] <navetz> penguin42: oh do you know how I can completely reinstall my network manager? like all config files and everything
[19:03] <penguin42> navetz: You could try a dpkg --purge on the appropriate packages, make sure nothing is left in /etc/NetworkManager and then nuke the LDE equivalents - if you're really sure you want to do that
[19:03] <penguin42> K
[19:03] <navetz> penguin42: okay thanks
[19:06] <yofel_> penguin42, arand: actually 'start ...' is only for upstart jobs, service ... start works for both upstart and sysvinit
[19:07] <penguin42> yofel_: Oh OK that's pretty useful
[19:09] <navetz> penguin42: okay almost everything is working, except my keyboard.
[19:09] <oxymoron> Now grub2 works ... problem with Lucid contain though. On boot I got to plymouth as normal but it doesnt proceed further, the preloader just load and load and load in e infinite loop
[19:10] <yofel_> oxymoron: you could try to replace 'quiet splash' with '--debug' to get debugging info from upstart
[19:11] <yofel_> oxymoron: the logs should be somewhere in /var/log after that
[19:11] <oxymoron> yofel_: Yeah, that could be a smart idea :) But regardning that grub2 problem, seriously, thank you so much it have been struggling back and forth because of that before
[19:11] <yofel_> you're welcome :)
[19:11] <oxymoron> yofel_: dmesg, how do I make that work on chroot?
[19:12] <yofel_> oxymoron: that doesn't make sense from chroot as dmesg prints the kernel log buffer from the running kernel
[19:12] <oxymoron> yofel_: Last time I got dmesg from the wrapper OS and not the chrooted system
[19:13] <oxymoron> yofel_: Yeah I know, but isnt it possible to check log buffer on other kernels?
[19:13] <yofel_> oxymoron: there is /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/dmesg for that
[19:14] <oxymoron> Oh thanks :) And btw, the hdd order /dev/sd** didnt change when I changed order of boot in BIOS :)
[19:15] <yofel_> ok, then it's decided by the numbering of the mainboard connectors after all
[19:15] <oxymoron> Oh look on that, sweet: "Följande NYA paket kommer att installeras:
[19:15] <oxymoron>   freespacenotifier plymouth-theme-kubuntu-logo policykit-desktop-privileges
[19:15] <oxymoron> Följande paket kommer att uppgraderas:
[19:15] <oxymoron>   dkms kubuntu-default-settings kubuntu-desktop kubuntu-docs liblircclient0 linux-libc-dev
[19:15] <oxymoron> "
[19:16] <oxymoron> sorry bot
[19:16] <oxymoron> yofel_: Kubuntu logo for plymouth and update for dkms <3
[19:17] <JoshuaL> If you could also please test the latest upstream kernel available that would be great. It will allow additional upstream developers to examine the issue. Refer to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelMainlineBuilds
[19:17] <JoshuaL> thats what someone told me at a bug report
[19:17] <yofel_> heh, finally, guess it's time to risk my nvidia desktop and install plymouth again :D
[19:17] <JoshuaL> but how do i install that kernel?
[19:17] <yofel_> JoshuaL: go to the kernel ppa page, download the necessary .deb files and install them
[19:18] <JoshuaL> yofel_, that leads me to: http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/ and i cant figure out what kernel i should download
[19:19] <yofel_> JoshuaL: usually the newest one, lets see...
[19:19] <oxymoron> yofel_: Hmm, freezed after "[  613.071044] vboxdrv: Successfully loaded version 3.0.4_OSE (interface 0x000e0000)."
[19:20] <navetz> almost evreything is working on my system except for my keyboard
[19:20] <navetz> can someone help me fix it?
[19:20] <navetz> it worked before the upgrade
[19:21] <yofel_> JoshuaL: I guess you should try 2.6.33, not sure if 2.6.34-rc1 might break things
[19:21] <JoshuaL> yofel_, ok ty
[19:22] <DasEi> yofel_: didn't know that, so it iss  possible to add that repo and install via apt, cool
[19:22] <yofel_> DasEi: no, the kernel ppa is not made to be installable over apt
[19:24] <DasEi> yofel_: least there is another way then to compile in the common way, I used kernelcheck or manual in before
[19:24] <BUGabundo> FUUUUU
[19:24] <BUGabundo> stupid vlc
[19:25]  * guntbert pets BUGabundo "please don't cry, all will become well" ;-)
[19:25] <BUGabundo>   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  :sout=#transcode{vcodec=DIV3,vb=400,scale=1,width=300,height=300,acodec=none}:std{access=http,mux=ts,dst=0.0.0.0:8080}
[19:26] <BUGabundo> guntbert: this should work
[19:26] <zus> is the lucid release out now stable enough for use (i understand its beta) its not totally broken?
[19:26] <BUGabundo> I reach a point that Im testing divx3 enc
[19:26] <BUGabundo> cause non other seems to be working
[19:26] <penguin42> zus: Yes but some people have had some hard problems
[19:26] <BUGabundo> zus: not stable, not broken
[19:26] <oxymoron> yofel_: Hmm, shame that Kubuntu havent made new font and logo in svg for plymouth :( Looks ugly
[19:26] <BUGabundo> use at your own risc
[19:26] <guntbert> BUGabundo: way over my head :)
[19:26] <yofel_> zus: we have those for that it works fine (like me) and we have those that come here since it doesn't work at all on their machines
[19:26] <BUGabundo> and help us make it better
[19:26] <oxymoron> yofel_: Same old logo ... Hopefully someone fix the new one :)
[19:26] <git__> i'm wondering if suspend/resume works on Ubuntu 10.04 consistently
[19:27] <git__> i plan to test my file versioning program on it
[19:27] <penguin42> git__: I've done hibernate/resume on this laptop and it seems OK, but it's one of the things that is very hardware specific
[19:27] <git__> been testing Lucid on kvm
[19:27] <oxymoron> yofel_: Except that it looks aweseom, but I got freeze because it said, waiting on /proc/bus/usb in my fstab ...
[19:27] <git__> penguin42, i think most of the suspend/resume problem goes back to the video driver
[19:28] <penguin42> git__: No, it's much more wide ranging - it's amazing how many ways machine manufacturers break the bioses
[19:28] <BUGabundo> guntbert: IT WORKSSSS WHOOOOOOO WHOOOOOOOOOO
[19:28] <git__> penguin42, i don't know ... i had suspend/resume working on 8.04 but not on 9.10
[19:29] <guntbert> !Jay | BUGabundo
[19:29] <BUGabundo> care to test? http://blubug.bugabundo.net:8080  me on vid stream
[19:30] <jmcantrell> i have an issue with the windows key. whenever i press it, it sticks. every other key has the mod4 modifier. i have to logout and login again to fix it.
[19:30] <git__> one of the thing I do nowaday is not reboot my computer AT ALL
[19:30] <guntbert> BUGabundo: how do I open that?
[19:31] <jmcantrell> anyone have any ideas?
[19:31] <zus> i cant get my  GeForce 5200 FX 128mb video card to work with karmic...never was able to, its has the digital connection i need an dvi/vga adapter for it. i've read people have it and it works but i can only get to a certain point with live cd install then it just hangs.
[19:31] <git__> the fact that people rave about 10 secs boot up ... doesn't faze because I prefer "instant-on" where all my apps are available with the right positions when I left them
[19:31] <BUGabundo> guntbert: vlc
[19:31] <BUGabundo> or any stream you get
[19:32] <guntbert> got it
[19:32] <HurricaneFL1> ok, posted on the Ubuntu Pastebin... look for HurricaneFL I assume
[19:32] <guntbert> you look a bit tired :)
[19:32] <BUGabundo> :(
[19:33] <oxymoron> Does anybody have this line in hes/hers /etc/fstab: "/dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults,devmode=666 0 0" ?
[19:33] <ZykoticK9> oxymoron, i don't
[19:33] <guntbert> looks great - frame rate seem a bit low
[19:33] <navetz> does anyone know how i can recofigure my keyboard?
[19:34] <oxymoron> ZykoticK9: Alright, well I think thats why my system boot freeze xD Do you know what it does exactly?
[19:34] <ZykoticK9> oxymoron, not sure sorry
[19:35] <arand> Anyone running metacity care to confirm/defirm Bug #549919 (testcase on report)
[19:35] <oxymoron> ZykoticK9: I guess it shouldnt be there no matter what :P
[19:35] <BUGabundo> guntbert: with only a megabit and lots of ppl on it, I had to limit
[19:35] <BUGabundo> will try to up it a bit
[19:35] <HurricaneFL1> I should add that this drive is a SATA drive with an AHCI interface, and I hear ext4 doesn't play nice yet with this type of drive
[19:36] <oxymoron> ZykoticK9: Hmm I googled it and seem to be virtualbox that have been adding it :S
[19:36] <ZykoticK9> HurricaneFL1, for pastebin YOU need to give the link back to the channel
[19:37] <BUGabundo> guntbert: should be much better now
[19:37] <ZykoticK9> oxymoron, oh perhaps the PUEL (non OSE) version of VBox?  maybe
[19:37] <guntbert> BUGabundo: it is :)
[19:37] <HurricaneFL1> here it is: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/404006/
[19:37] <guntbert> BUGabundo: thx for sharing
[19:38] <BUGabundo> LOL
[19:38] <BUGabundo> what? my ugly face ? pfff
[19:39] <Jazz3> hi everyone. where can i find the most outstanding bugs for lucid. I wish to consider myself warned (again) before i install it on my netbook
[19:39] <guntbert> BUGabundo: no - the experience of success - and the knowledge that vlc can directly open a http:... stream
[19:39] <BUGabundo> err that's the easy part
[19:40] <BUGabundo> the streaming is the hard part
[19:40] <BUGabundo> now need to try other codecs
[19:40] <BUGabundo> divx is not exactly my favorite
[19:40] <penguin42> HurricaneFL1: That all looks good to me, I don't know why it would give a warning, there are no errors logged, no reallocated sectors - it's good
[19:40] <ZykoticK9> Jazz3, https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs
[19:40] <Jazz3> ty
[19:41] <zus> git__, how do you get 10 second boot? i notice  though faster than my windows machine, i boot up a bit slow (kubuntu 9.10 kde4,4)
[19:42] <yofel_> Jazz3: see the release notes known issues for the grave ones, you'll find the complete list of open lucid bugs at http://tinyurl.com/ygbvm28
[19:42] <HurricaneFL1> It's formatted as ext4, and is a SATA/AHCI drive as I said. I stopped the popup by unchecking the box in the Startup Applications control panel, but wonder what causes it
[19:43] <HurricaneFL1> er... disk notifications I mean
[19:43] <mikebeecham> hi there, my smb shares are now listed twice in nautilus...can anyone help gets these back to one of each please?
[19:43] <penguin42> HurricaneFL1: I think that should be filed as a bug with that smartctl output, because if Lucid starts telling lots of people that they have broken discs when they don't things will get very confusing
[19:45] <Jazz3> hi. one more thing .. my netbook does not have an optical drive and I have had great success with unetbootlin. I did not find any issues listed on launchpad. Anyone here wish to warn me on Lucid + unetbootlin (iso -> usb installation)
[19:45] <HurricaneFL1> It happeneed to me even using the Live CD... bboth in 9.10 and 10.4. Never happened in 9.04 or lower
[19:45] <HurricaneFL1> ugh... forgive the spelling
[19:45] <Damascene> any one using netbook luncher?
[19:45] <penguin42> HurricaneFL1: Not a problem
[19:46] <Oxymoron> yofel_: FINALLY, I WON OVER MY COMPUTER!
[19:46] <Damascene> the disks doesn't get mounted if you click on it in folders tab
[19:47] <HurricaneFL1> My bigger problem is getting ACPI working correctly so I can see my battery's charge with this Orca script I have. A walkthrough or pointer to one would be deeply appreciated
[19:48] <Oxymoron> Problem? : ""
[19:48] <Oxymoron> oxymoron@oxymoron-desktop:~$ sudo nvidia-xconfig
[19:48] <Tm_T> Oxymoron: noooooooooo
[19:48] <Oxymoron>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
[19:48] <Oxymoron> WARNING: Unable to locate/open X configuration file.
[19:48] <Oxymoron>                                                                                                                                                                                                                                              
[19:48] <Oxymoron> New X configuration file written to '/etc/X11/xorg.conf'
[19:48] <viator> wheres menu.lst
[19:48] <viator> cant find it
[19:48] <Oxymoron> Tm_T: Yes, mohahahaha :D
[19:48] <viator> want to edit grub list
[19:49] <viator> guess its not the same in grub2?
[19:49] <jmcantrell> i have an issue with the windows key. whenever i press it, it sticks. every other key has the mod4 modifier. i have to logout and login again to fix it.
[19:49] <C-S-B-N900> viator: grub2 doesn't use menu.lst
[19:49] <arand> viator: /etc/default/grub
[19:49] <arand> !grub2 > viator
[19:50] <Oxymoron> Tm_T: There was one little problem with usb in fstab that frooze my upstart ... and one grub2 fawlty :P
[19:54] <marienz> so I was wondering why my boot wasn't as friendly and graphical as I'd expect, and I think I've traced this down to the FRAMEBUFFER env var/option not being set. "FRAMEBUFFER=1 initramfs-tools -u -v" shows the framebuffer and plymouth hooks running, while without that env var they're skipped.
[19:55] <marienz> isn't that supposed to default to on somehow?
[19:55]  * Oxymoron enjoys that hes back into hes own lovely desktop <3
[19:56] <marienz> (could someone grep -r FRAMEBUFFER /etc/initramfs-tools?)
[19:56] <yofel_> marienz: what  gpu do you have
[19:56] <yofel_> ?
[19:56] <yofel_> marienz: gives nothing
[19:56] <marienz> an old-ish radeon. plymouth and X work fine, but plymouth kicks in much later than I'd expect (with mountall complaining about not being able to connect to it, for example)
[19:56] <Hellow> marienz: That returns no output.
[19:57] <marienz> hmm, then I'm on the wrong track somehow
[19:57]  * Oxymoron wonders why hes titlebar/decorator is gone ...
[19:57] <marienz> my FRAMEBUFFER=1 initramfs does have the splash screen up for most of the boot, as I'd expect
[19:57]  * HurricaneFL1 scratches his head over ACPI
[19:59] <Oxymoron> NAyone know about window decoration problems in Kubuntu Lucid?
[19:59] <zus> anyone kknow if i can install lucid on a thumb drive?
[20:01] <bullgard> marienz: On my Lucid this command does not produce any output.
[20:01] <marienz> aha! on karmic the corresponding option is USPLASH, and I have /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf-hooks.d/usplash:USPLASH=y there with no equivalent on my lucid system.
[20:01] <lamalex> how do I go about reporting fails-to-suspend bugs? Is there a diagnosis technique that I can use to make my book report more useful? Which package do I report on?
[20:01] <marienz> can one of you with no output also run "gunzip < /boot/initrd.img-2.6.32-17-generic | cpio -t | grep plymouth"?
[20:01] <yofel_> !usb | zus
[20:02] <yofel_> zus: the second link might be what you want
[20:02] <marienz> and/or grep -r FRAMEBUFFER /usr/share/initramfs-tools/conf-hooks.d
[20:04] <zus> yofel_,  one is for an os the other is more of a live disc?
[20:04] <bullgard> marienz: On my Lucid your second command does not produce any output.
[20:04] <marienz> and the first?
[20:04] <zus> yofel_,  thanks once again.
[20:04] <marienz> err, wait
[20:04] <jason__> anyone know why my open programs stopped showing up in the task bar?
[20:04] <marienz> I've given three commands now. The first one gives no output (which seems to be correct). I want the second to give output, but it doesn't here. I think that's because the third gives no output.
[20:06] <bullgard> marienz: On my Lucid your first command obtains: "36994 blocks".
[20:06] <marienz> this might actually be a bug, not just me misconfiguring things.
[20:06] <marienz> ah, yeah, that's cpio being annoying and outputting to stderr
[20:06] <marienz> do you also only get the graphical splash screen a bit late when you boot?
[20:07] <bullgard> Xes you have given 3 commands altogether. But I did answer to your first question before you posted your second question, did I not?
[20:07] <bullgard> marienz: Yes you have given 3 commands altogether. But I did answer to your first question before you posted your second question, did I not?
[20:07] <jason__> im gonna have to switch back to mint i think
[20:07] <marienz> bullgard: I was a little confused which of my commands corresponded to your "second command" (my own fault)
[20:08] <marienz> I think this is actually a bug, not just me having some broken config file, so I'll search and file it now.
[20:08] <yofel_> jason__: that should be some applet, maybe you removed it?
[20:08] <ChogyDan> jason__: the applet is called Window List
[20:08] <penguin42> anyone else having problems with the battery/power/charge indicator on the panel coming and going even when you're plugged in?
[20:09] <yofel_> *sigh* I hate upstart... where did the nice fsck progress bar go...
[20:09] <bullgard> marienz: I do not get a splash screen at all. And I am happy about that. But I get an error when booting concerning "plymouth". This error is documented in Launchpad.
[20:09] <penguin42> yofel_: Yeh
[20:09] <jason__> incredible
[20:09] <jason__> i swore i tried reapplying every one of those
[20:09] <Volkodav> джентельмены удачи
[20:10] <Volkodav> oops wrong tab
[20:10] <marienz> bullgard: which error (or bug number)?
[20:10] <bullgard> !ru | Volkodav
[20:14] <bullgard> marienz: There are several. For example #540256.
[20:15] <yofel_> bug 540256
[20:15] <marienz> yeah, that's unrelated
[20:15] <marienz> I'll just file, a quick search didn't cough up what I'm seeing
[20:16] <bullgard> Good luck coughing up.
[20:16] <marienz> ty :)
[20:21] <viperdudeuk> hi, I have just installed 10.04 server and desktop on 2 different machines and can't get samba working. Anyone kind enough to give me a clue?
[20:21] <yofel_> viperdudeuk: what have you done until now and where does it fail?
[20:22] <viperdudeuk> i apt-get install samba on the server and then just editted the conf to allow homes and added myself as a samba user with smbpasswd
[20:23] <viperdudeuk> when I try to connect it rejects user/pass
[20:23] <pitwalker> hi all, i have a networking problem, in single user mode works, but under gnome not
[20:24] <viperdudeuk> only thing in the logs is it says "port already in use" but I read online you can ignore that
[20:24] <viperdudeuk> nmbd and smbd both running
[20:25] <pitwalker> viperdudeuk: you restarted samba after you add user?
[20:25] <viperdudeuk> yes
[20:25] <viperdudeuk> shall I pastebin conf file?
[20:26] <pitwalker> ok
[20:26] <etzerd> hello all
[20:26] <viperdudeuk> wait please
[20:27] <etzerd> Firefox cannot load. any idea?
[20:27] <C-S-B-N900> etzerd try deleting your profile data
[20:27] <pitwalker> etzerd: you tried to start from another desktop environment? uninstall totally and install?
[20:28] <etzerd> how to do that
[20:28] <marienz> hmm, or not! this was actually an intentional change, so I'm not sure why it's so noticably slow with plymouth outside of my initramfs here
[20:28] <arand> etzerd: try a new profile: run firefox -P
[20:29] <etzerd> I uninstalled it and reinstalled it again. when I click on the Firefox Icon the mouse  houglass looks like it's loading then after  couple second it stop and firefox never load.
[20:29] <viperdudeuk> i have reinstalled but not tried other machice
[20:30] <C-S-B-N900> etzerd /.mozilla/firefox/*.default
[20:30] <viperdudeuk> i will try netbook
[20:30] <C-S-B-N900> i believe thats right.
[20:30] <C-S-B-N900> delete that folder.
[20:30] <yofel_> C-S-B-N900: wait, he  can try a new folder without deleting it
[20:31] <yofel_> s/folder/profile/
[20:31] <yofel_> etzerd: try what arand said
[20:31] <etzerd> C-S-B-N908: just type /.mozilla/firefox/*.default
[20:32] <yofel_> etzerd: wait, did you try firefox -P ?
[20:32] <etzerd> i did
[20:32] <yofel_> and?
[20:32] <C-S-B-N900> sorry, i was a little brutal.
[20:32] <C-S-B-N900> but its pretty hassle free doing that.
[20:33] <etzerd> when I type firefox -P the error display: run-mozilla.sh: Cannot execute /usr/lib/firefox-3.6/firefox-bin.pure.
[20:33] <pepee> I get this error when I run a gnome app: http://pastebin.com/AzkEEScn
[20:33] <viperdudeuk> hmm works on 10.04 on netbook, how strange
[20:33] <yofel_> C-S-B-N900: yes, but he'll loose his profile if it's not the reason
[20:33] <yofel_> etzerd: o.O
[20:33] <pepee> "Cancelado (`core' generado)" means "Cancelled (`core' generated)"
[20:36] <yofel_> etzerd: are you sure that you reinstalled firefox? and does that firefox-bin.pure file actually exist?
[20:37] <yofel_> pepee: can you try to get a backtrace? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Backtrace
[20:37] <C-S-B-N900> etzerd did you purge?
[20:38] <etzerd> yofel_: how do you do the purge?
[20:38] <yofel_> etzerd: what purge?
[20:38] <etzerd> because I type sudo apt-get --reinstall install firefox
[20:38] <pepee> yofel_, yep, I will
[20:38] <C-S-B-N900> apt-get purge firefox
[20:38] <yofel_> etzerd: yes, but does that file actually exist at the moment?
[20:40] <yofel_> *sigh*, re-enabled plymouth on my nvidia-desktop and it won't boot again
[20:41] <Damascene> any one uses a rtl language here?
[20:44]  * HurricaneFL1 sighs... this is hopeless
[20:45] <penguin42> HurricaneFL1: Still the ACPI fight?
[20:46] <HurricaneFL1> yes... been reading through various wikis, blogs, and stuff, and utterly confused
[20:46] <Rods_Tiger> How do I stop my ubuntu installation from always picking the wrong wifi?
[20:46] <Rods_Tiger> Is there a place to set the priority or order or preferred router?
[20:47] <crimsun_> Rods_Tiger: depends how easily you want to do it
[20:47] <Rods_Tiger> exceedingly easily
[20:47] <crimsun_> using GNOME? Bind the BSSID.
[20:47] <crimsun_> (using nm)
[20:48] <Rods_Tiger> easier than that
[20:48] <crimsun_> get a robot?
[20:48] <Rods_Tiger> well, I had in mind a button to press - about that easy
[20:48] <crimsun_> sounds like a good brainstorm / wishlist bug report
[20:49] <pepee> yofel_, http://pastebin.com/paa24fEg
[20:49] <C-S-B-N900> Rods_Tiger: in nm, set just your primary connection to connect auomatically.
[20:49] <C-S-B-N900> untick the rest
[20:50] <Rods_Tiger> aha
[20:51] <C-S-B-N900> then you save all passphrases but only the one you want will connect on its own.
[20:52] <Rods_Tiger> good plan. Ta
[20:52] <high-rez> *blink*
[20:52] <C-S-B-N900> ...
[20:52] <C-S-B-N900> ?
[20:52] <high-rez> are you irc'n from an n900?
[20:53] <C-S-B-N900> yes
[20:53] <high-rez> Sweet.
[20:53] <C-S-B-N900> it is awesome, you need to get one.
[20:53] <high-rez> Yeah I'm totally jealous ;)
[20:53] <C-S-B-N900> im in xchat and its useable
[20:53] <C-S-B-N900> but this is ot...
[20:53] <high-rez> It sure is.
[20:54] <C-S-B-N900> but its also awesome. :p
[20:54] <high-rez> But it won't stop me from asking how the UI on it is :)\
[20:54] <yofel_> Oxymoron: urgh, just managed to get my desktop to show the kubuntu splash, in 16 colors 640x480 ^^
[20:55] <penguin42> yofel_: Ah technology
[20:55] <C-S-B-N900> fine, while in here chatting i hit an icon, it zooms out to my running apps and switch to my ssh sesh then to a browser with full flash
[20:55] <Nandou> Hello, I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install the Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I am unable to install it so far as I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver. By using the "blacklist=nouveau" boot option the process is going further but instead having "[drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PRAMIN flush timeout" error message during the part where the modules are loaded, I receive it duri
[20:55] <Nandou> ng the init phase. Does anyone have any idea ?
[20:55] <Oxymoron> yofel_: Hahahaha, nice xD You must change gfxmode in /etc/default/grub to change resolution and color ;)
[20:55] <nick125> Anyone here know what the default plymouth theme is?
[20:55] <Oxymoron> yofel_: I managed to start my system and get to the stage after plymouth :P
[20:56] <yofel_> Oxymoron: yep, just ran vbeinfo to see what i can set ^^
[20:56] <yofel_> :)
[20:56] <pepee> yofel_, strace: http://www.2shared.com/file/12334014/5aeff9b3/strace_gupnp.html
[20:57] <Oxymoron> yofel_: It annoys me that they havent fix the Kubuntu logo, they just took the previous one and added glow in Photoshop or something like that. The glow ends in the edges abrupt ... amateur work xD
[20:58] <yofel_> yeah, looks horrible...
[20:59] <Umeaboy> I get really exited when I see the new appearance of Ubuntu's installer.
[20:59] <Oxymoron> yofel_: Hopefully Kubuntu will get a new logo as Ubuntu with new font and better logo icon in vectors :)
[21:00] <yofel_> +1
[21:00] <Oxymoron> yofel_: Hopefully you can change theme later on as well, I tried solar before and that one was aweseom, stars, space and I dont know what it calls in english, solar with some kind of burst on the outside.
[21:01] <Oxymoron> yofel_: Its possible to change theme now though, but you need a special command for that :P I dont bother yet until it fixed completly.
[21:02] <Oxymoron> yofel_: I congratulate Ubuntu that they finally polish the design and interface, now it almost looks so good that I could use it xD
[21:02] <Umeaboy> I'm quite fed up with the orange colour.
[21:02] <Oxymoron> Over all Lucid is very smooth, fast and efficient I must say. The only annoying thing is that window decorations doesnt work :P
[21:02] <Umeaboy> Purple feels warmer & inviting.
[21:02] <avar> what's the gconf line to switch the button order?
[21:02] <yofel_> heh, more important than the look would be that I don't see any nfs errors anymore and that they get plymouth to work like it should
[21:03] <yofel_> (ie, not preventing booting)
[21:03] <Umeaboy> Almost done with the Beta-installation.
[21:03] <Umeaboy> No big problems what so ever.
[21:04] <avar> ah gconftool-2 --type string --set /apps/metacity/general/button_layout "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[21:04] <yofel_> Oxymoron: what window decorations? KDE/KWin works fine here
[21:04] <Oxymoron> yofel_: Yes, thats good :) I dont know what worked and not worked before though :P Nice that plymouth and all works now :)
[21:04] <Oxymoron> yofel_: Oxygen decoration with window buttons and title bar is gone ...
[21:05] <yofel_> o.O
[21:05] <Umeaboy> Anyone here living in Sweden besides me?
[21:05] <yofel_> Oxymoron: tried to change to something other than oxygen?
[21:05] <Nandou> Hello, I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install the Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I am unable to install it so far as I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver. By using the "blacklist=nouveau" boot option the process is going further but instead having "[drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PRAMIN flush timeout" error message while the modules are loading, I receive it during the init pha
[21:05] <Nandou> se. Does anyone have any idea ?
[21:05] <Oxymoron> yofel_: Not sure why it is so :P Yes I tried other ones, no difference. Could be some process that isnt loaded, but not sure which? :P
[21:06] <Oxymoron> Umeaboy: Yes, I am from sweden too :P
[21:06] <yofel_> hm...
[21:06] <Umeaboy> Oxymoron: PM?
[21:07] <Oxymoron> Umeaboy: Yeah sure, just type
[21:11] <lamalex> can anyone help me with my suspend issue?
[21:11] <lamalex> my laptop fails to suspend now
[21:11] <lamalex> has worked since.. like hardy
[21:11] <lamalex> just broke
[21:11] <crimsun_> is there a report for linux in /var/crash/ ?
[21:12] <lamalex> crimsun_: nope
[21:12] <lamalex> the only thing of vague relevance is a plymouth report
[21:13] <lamalex> It starts to suspend, but never completes. I have to shut it off by holding the power button until it switches off
[21:14] <crimsun_> lamalex: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebuggingKernelSuspendHibernateResume
[21:14] <lamalex> merci
[21:17] <lamalex> crimsun_: on what package to I actually report the bug, the kernel?
[21:21] <BUGabundo> lamalex: kernel, aka linux
[21:24] <Wizzup> woes with mythbuntu-gdb-theme and ubuntu-xsplash-artwork
[21:24] <Nandou> I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install the Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver and by using the "blacklist=nouveau" boot option the process is going further but instead having "[drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PRAMIN flush timeout" error message while the modules are loaded, I receive it during the init phase. Does anyone have any idea ?
[21:29] <schlaftier> I thought I'd give Lucid a try in testdrive, but it tells me "unmet dependencies", should I worry? http://paste.pocoo.org/show/194979/
[21:30] <arand> Wizzup: mythbuntu-gdm-theme and/or plymouth has some weird dependency issues at the moment, it is being worked on, as far as I know. One ref. Bug #550237
[21:31] <arand> schlaftier: Do you have universe enabled?
[21:31] <Wizzup> arand: ok, so I shouldn't remove the xsplash package? ;)
[21:32] <yofel_> ok, this is insane: I have an nfs mount in my fstab, when I boot the network isn't up fast enough so it fails, if I have plymouth enabled it shows 'waiting for ... [SM]' if I disable splash the boot hangs without any chance of recovery
[21:33] <schlaftier> arand: yes I have
[21:33] <Daviey> yofel_: if you change from nfs in fstab to autofs, your life will be easier
[21:33] <gnomefreak> is there an easy way to change a plymouth theme yofel_ ?
[21:33] <yofel_> gnomefreak: not sure, I think they wanted to use alternatives at some point
[21:34] <yofel_> Daviey: what's autofs?
[21:34] <Daviey> yofel_: supports nfs mount on access, rather than mount on boot.
[21:34] <gnomefreak> yofel_: there were a few updated yesterday IIRC but i dont ever remember seeing a way to change
[21:35] <yofel_> Daviey: got a howto for that? or what do I need to change?
[21:38] <gnomefreak> it seems the alt. ISO's still havent made it up
[21:39] <Oxymoron> yofel_: Got damn it, my video still doesnt work, must be a config fawlty ... :P WHen I start Phonon video apps I got the window printscreen from the window behind inside the video frame ...
[21:39] <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/openoffice.org/+bug/550481
[21:43] <Daviey> yofel_: sorry, can't atm - but google should help. It's not that tricky tbh.
[21:43] <Daviey> I'll add it to my "to do" blog posts.
[21:44] <melkor> alright I'm having trouble with usb drives, my Ipod shuffle isn't being recognized, and when I look at it in /dev it only shows up as /sdb and not /sdb0.
[21:44] <yofel_> I'll search for it, thx
[21:44] <Nandou> I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install the Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver and by using the "blacklist=nouveau" boot option the process is going further but instead having "[drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PRAMIN flush timeout" error message while the modules are loaded, I receive it during the init phase. Does anyone have any idea ?
[21:44] <Umeaboy> melkor: And you're sure that the right libs for it is installed to?
[21:45] <Japsu> How can I reset the MOTD in Lucid? I've emptied /etc/motd.tail, /etc/motd and /var/run/motd to no effect.
[21:45] <Japsu> It'd seem that whenever I clear /var/run/motd and log in, /var/run/motd gets rewritten with the defalut motd.
[21:45] <melkor> Umeaboy: I'm not sure what libs need to be installed, I used to work and now it doesn't.
[21:46] <Japsu> And I couldn't simply care less about Ubuntu branding on every single login.
[21:46] <Japsu> The text I specifically want to kill with fire is "Welcome to the Ubuntu Server! * Documentation:  http://www.ubuntu.com/server/doc"
[21:47] <Wizzup> Japsu: Perhaps the docs mention it? ;)
[21:47] <melkor> I think its FAT, maybe FAT32, my other usb drive works, but its ext4 and NTFS
[21:47] <Japsu> wise-ass.
[21:49] <Umeaboy> melkor: Can't remember the name of them......
[21:49] <Umeaboy> Look in the apt-get database.
[21:50] <melkor> Umeaboy: for what?  What drivers/ libs am I looking for.
[21:51] <Umeaboy> melkor: You've got an ipod, right?
[21:52] <Umeaboy> Check for something with ipod.
[21:53] <melkor> Umeaboy: I think its just a vfat filesystem.
[21:53] <Oxymoron> Does anybody know how to fix this: http://imagebin.ca/view/AU1f6Aj.html ?
[21:54] <Oxymoron> The Dragonplayer in the bottom left corner doesnt show video frame ...
[21:54] <melkor> How about this, I have a laptop with an external monitor and I cannot figure out how to set it so that when I close the lid the external monitor stays on.
[21:56] <HurricaneFL> and along the same vein, I still can't get ACPI going *sigh*
[21:59] <HurricaneFL> ok, I just got a notification thayt the battery is discharging, with percentage (could it be the script for Orca that reads the battery status?)
[22:00] <penguin42> HurricaneFL: Do you have a /sys/class/power_supply and is there a BAT0 or similar subdirectory ?
[22:01] <brush> re
[22:03] <HurricaneFL> yes, I have /sys/class/power_supply with a bat0 subfolder
[22:04] <penguin42> HurricaneFL: So in there I have a 'charge_now' and a 'voltage_now' and a 'charge_full' and a few other interesting files - I think a lot of the state is read from there
[22:05] <pepee> yofel_, could you find something?
[22:06] <pepee> ( http://pastebin.com/AzkEEScn )
[22:06] <yofel_> pepee: no, I don't really get what fails there
[22:06] <brush> hello
[22:07] <cwillu> BUGabundo, got a lady gaga thing going on or something?
[22:07] <brush> anyone has knowlegde with lucy host and win7 guest on vmware ws 7?
[22:07] <BUGabundo> :p
[22:07] <BUGabundo> its crazy funny, right?
[22:07] <cwillu> I actually came here to tell you your accounts might be compromised :p
[22:07] <cwillu> deleted unread :p
[22:08] <cwillu> don't have speakers hooked up right now though, so don't feel the need to resend it :D
[22:08] <pepee> hmm
[22:08] <pepee> yofel_, how can I install those icons?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> cwillu me ? compromised?
[22:09] <BUGabundo> you don't trust me :(
[22:09]  * cwillu compromises BUGabundo :p
[22:09] <kprav33n> I upgraded to 10.4 beta 1 last night and Thunderbird 3 lost all the mail folders.
[22:10] <yofel_> pepee: I'm clueless there either, I don't know that much about gnome themes
[22:10] <kprav33n> I checked in .thunderbird directory and the profile doesn't have any mail folders.
[22:10] <kprav33n> It is empty.
[22:10] <HurricaneFL> yes, has all those folders in the bat0 folder
[22:10] <BUGabundo> though you would enjoy cwillu
[22:10] <pepee> yofel_, hmm same for me
[22:10] <cwillu> BUGabundo, I'll look at it later
[22:10] <almoxarife> kprav33n: didn't you also see another folder named thurnderbird?
[22:11] <kprav33n> almoxarife, Another one?
[22:11] <kprav33n> I used to have .mozilla-thunderbird and .thunderbird.
[22:11] <kprav33n> The .mozilla-thunderbird folder seems to be used by very old thunderbird.
[22:12] <kprav33n> I checked the timestamps on my profile directory and the last modified one was in .thunderbird
[22:12] <almoxarife> kprav33n: yes, something like .thunderbird-up.....
[22:12] <kprav33n> Hmm, let me check.
[22:13] <kprav33n> almoxarife, Intersting! I have .thunderbird.upstream.
[22:13] <almoxarife> kprav33n: yeap, look to see if the stuff you are missing is in it
[22:14] <melkor> So it seems lucid doesn't have a 'do nothing' when you close the laptop lid and hence it always blanks the screen even if you have an external monitor.
[22:15] <kprav33n> almoxarife, Looks like .thunderbird.upstream has all my mail folders.
[22:15] <kprav33n> However, when I start Thunderbird, it is starting as if nothing is configured and asking me to setup my mail accounts.
[22:16] <kprav33n> almoxarife, Should I rename this folder or something?
[22:16] <penguin42> kprav33n: I'd take a copy of that folder and put it somewhere safe, then quit thunderbird and rename that directory to .thunderbird and see what happens
[22:17] <almoxarife> kprav33n: yeap, that's what I did, as penguin42 suggested
[22:20] <kprav33n> penguin42, almoxarife: Thanks, guys! I got back my profile settings and mail accounts.
[22:20] <kprav33n> Is this a known bug or something?
[22:21] <kprav33n> If not, I'll file a bug in launchpad.
[22:21] <almoxarife> kprav33n: not sure, it does save your old info, it just does not tell you
[22:22] <HurricaneFL> Must have done something wrong... didn't come out of suspend cleanly
[22:22] <penguin42> if it doesn't tell you then it's a bug by my reckoning
[22:22] <kprav33n> almoxarife, I would expect that it upgrades seem-less.
[22:23] <penguin42> kprav33n: Were you running a pre-release thunderbird previously or an upstream one and now using a packaged one?
[22:23] <almoxarife> kprav33n: I migrated to imap so I never had to go thru that scare
[22:24] <Nandou> I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install the Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver and by using the "blacklist=nouveau" boot option the process is going further but instead having "[drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PRAMIN flush timeout" error message while the modules are loaded, I receive it during the init phase. Does anyone have any idea ?
[22:24] <almoxarife> penguin42: what happened to kprav33n happened to me, I got thunderbird from repos of karmic
[22:25] <kprav33n> Yeah!
[22:25] <penguin42> almoxarife: It should certainly tell you, and I don't think it should do that at all if you are doing a straight upgrade
[22:25] <kprav33n> I use Thunderbird from Ubuntu repo.
[22:25] <penguin42> report it
[22:25] <kprav33n> Not an upstream one.
[22:25] <kprav33n> Maybe I caused it to break.
[22:26] <kprav33n> Last night when I upgraded, rebooted my system and fired up Thunderbird, it has all my settings.
[22:26] <almoxarife> kprav33n: I doubt it, you and I both had the same issue.
[22:26] <kprav33n> The migration assistant popped up and I asked it not to synchronize any accounts. Then Thunderbird was unresponsive. I killed it and went to sleep.
[22:27] <kprav33n> May be killing Thunderbird in the middle of migration caused this issue.
[22:27] <kprav33n> almoxarife, Did you do something similar?
[22:27] <almoxarife> kprav33n: nope, the only issue I had was wubi related, but I expected to see it
[22:28] <kprav33n> Oh, okay! Then this seems to be a bug.
[22:29] <kprav33n> I already have issues with Thunderbird 3. I am running Thunderbird 3 for a few months on my OpenSolaris laptop at work.
[22:29] <kprav33n> I should tell that the search folders are very slow compared to Thunderbird 2.
[22:29] <kprav33n> I extensively use search folders.
[22:30] <almoxarife> kprav33n: I use thunderbird to manage my gmail account using imap. simpler for me
[22:31] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: please file a bug on it so we can take a look at it
[22:31] <gatlin> Hi, I was here yesterday with a somewhat odd issue but I didn't have all the info with me. I am happy to recap however.
[22:31] <kprav33n> gnomefreak, Profile folder issue or the search folder sluggishness issue?
[22:31] <kprav33n> I think that the search folder issue is in the upstream.
[22:32] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: file it/both with us in Lp and we will go over them.
[22:32] <kprav33n> almoxarife, I have a few accounts and one of them is Google Apps mail (similar to Gmail). Even that suffers the search folder issue.
[22:33]  * gnomefreak doesnt have a search folder issue
[22:33] <kprav33n> gnomefreak, I have around 78k mails in the account where I notice major slowdown and it is not synchronized.
[22:34] <gnomefreak> some time in the next week or 2 i should have time for tbird bugs
[22:34] <Damascene> hello, any arabic urdu or persia speaker
[22:34] <kprav33n> With Thunderbird 2, the search folders were immediately populated.
[22:35] <kprav33n> On a totally different note, the position of the window buttons in 10.4 throws me off.
[22:35] <kprav33n> But, I like it.
[22:35] <kprav33n> Does anyone know the motivation of this UI change?
[22:35] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: tb3 had a major overhaul from tb2
[22:36] <kprav33n> To look more like Mac?
[22:36] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: yes the UI team wanted to try it and looks like it will be staying at least from last i heard
[22:36] <gnomefreak> !controls | kprav33n
[22:36] <gnomefreak> :) once i get a few days where i can get with one of the devs about this maybe ill get artound to having a full wiki on it
[22:37] <gnomefreak> oh not high on my to do list
[22:38] <Umeaboy> kprav33n: Why not just use an IMC?
[22:38] <Umeaboy> IMAC
[22:38] <kprav33n> I am waiting for the new Macbook pro to be launched ;-)
[22:38] <kprav33n> I have strong ties to Linux back from my Debian days.
[22:38] <kprav33n> Still can't believe that I decided to buy Mac.
[22:39] <gatlin> I am on an ECS mobo with nForce chipset, AMD Athlon 64 x2 4200+, nvidia 9800 something gpu. When I run the Lucid daily (as of 2 days ago) it won't go beyond the boot splash
[22:39] <Umeaboy> Neither do I.
[22:39] <Umeaboy> I really can't beleive it.
[22:39] <Umeaboy> believe
[22:39] <schlaftier> Is there any hardware that looks nearly as good as Apple's?
[22:39] <kprav33n> schlaftier, I am a Thinkpad user for a long time.
[22:40] <kprav33n> I like them very much. It is not as fancier as Mac. But very solid. I love the trackpoint and it helps to be productive.
[22:40] <schlaftier> kprav33n: I've seen lots of Thinkpads and they are sturdy and well-manufactured but not exactly jewels of industrial design
[22:40] <arand> hrm ↑↑ Topic
[22:41] <kprav33n> Okay!
[22:41] <kprav33n> Off topic....
[22:41] <kprav33n> Sorry!
[22:41] <kprav33n> But, this conversation started on topic :-)
[22:41] <schlaftier> let's move this to #ubuntu-offtopic :)
[22:43] <kprav33n> Can anyone tell me what is the default theme on 10.4?
[22:43] <kprav33n> I upgraded, so it retained Clearlooks which was my old theme.
[22:43] <topyli> kprav33n, ambience
[22:44] <gatlin> I read somewhere something that seemed like my issue but for Kubuntu
[22:44] <bsnider_> gatlin, try removing plymouth
[22:45] <gatlin> how do I remove it from the live image?
[22:45] <kprav33n> topyli, Thanks!
[22:45] <kprav33n> And the default wallpaper?
[22:45] <gatlin> incidentally, this at least tells me where I can file a bug (I don't know the innards of the distro, and launchpad expects a certain competence)
[22:46] <kprav33n> The pinkish 'show desktop' icon doesn't seem to blend with the Ambience theme.
[22:47] <topyli> kprav33n, it's the purple/orange abstract thingy
[22:50] <Nandou> I have a MacBookPro 5,3 and I'm currently trying to install the Lucid Lynx beta 1 using the liveCD. I have encountered problems with the nouveau driver and by using the "blacklist=nouveau" boot option the process is going further but instead having "[drm] nouveau 0000:02:00.0: PRAMIN flush timeout" error message while the modules are loaded, I receive it during the init phase. Does anyone have any idea ?
[22:51] <kprav33n> topyli, Thanks!
[22:52] <gatlin> actually, I think the problem might be nouveau for me, too
[22:52] <gatlin> since I have an nvidia card, and that's what has changed between 9.10 and 10.04
[22:52] <kprav33n> It is weird that the theme selector still has the window buttons on the right side for the theme preview.
[22:52] <topyli> yeah
[22:52] <penguin42> kprav33n: There's a bug for that
[22:53] <Nandou> I'm a bit desperate with mine
[22:53] <Nandou> I'm currently downloading the dailybuild with some hope..
[22:53] <Umeaboy> I got an error now.
[22:53] <Umeaboy> Why am I supposed to get updates to mythbuntu, when I'm not using it?
[22:54] <teethdood> Umeaboy: got the error with mythbuntu theme?
[22:54] <Nandou> As far as my understanding goes, I believe there's an init script that force the nouveau driver to load
[22:54] <penguin42> Umeaboy: If you have packages installed and have entries in /etc/apt then you will get updates
[22:54] <kprav33n> penguin42, Oh, okay!
[22:54] <teethdood> penguin42: I had the mythbuntu error too, fresh install
[22:55] <penguin42> oh weird
[22:55] <teethdood> I just removed it from the packages list and no probs
[22:55] <Umeaboy> I didn't choose any such option in the installation.
[22:58] <kprav33n> Thanks everyone for your help!
[23:00] <arand> teethdood: Bug #550237 by the way
[23:01] <melkor> what is plymouth?
[23:01] <Nandou> a car brand?
[23:01] <pepee> apt-cache show plymouth
[23:01] <melkor> it seems to perform horribly
[23:01] <yofel_> !info plymouth
[23:02] <arand> melkor: Presumably the biggest troublemaker in Lucid, but it's decided for inclusion.
[23:02] <Nandou> cool
[23:02] <navetz> guys how do i revert back to an older kernel?
[23:02] <navetz> the one i upgraded to in lucid breaks everrything, but if i boot from an older one it seems okay
[23:03] <melkor> navetz: Isn't booting from an older one ok?
[23:03] <arand> navetz: set default in /etc/default/grub ?
[23:06] <TecnoBrat> Anyone having issues with USB key drives on lucid?
[23:06] <TecnoBrat> I can't get any of mine to work ..
[23:06] <navetz> melkor, arand: i don't mind booting from an older one :) ill change the grub. It does not work as well as expected though
[23:07] <navetz> it fails at startup saying chroot: cannot execute /etc/apparmor/initramfs
[23:07] <penguin42> TecnoBrat: Seem to
[23:07] <kprav33n> I am having issue connecting to VPN.
[23:07] <kprav33n> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/711147
[23:07] <kprav33n> The authentication box doesn't launch anymore.
[23:08]  * penguin42 wonders what the difference between 'unmount', 'eject' and 'safely remove drive' are for a usb stick
[23:08] <TecnoBrat> penguin42: seems to work for you?
[23:08] <penguin42> TecnoBrat: Yep
[23:08] <TecnoBrat> hmmm
[23:08] <TecnoBrat> I'll dig some more then
[23:08] <MTughan> penguin42: Unmount has different meanings, especially if you have multiple partitions on the drive.
[23:08] <MTughan> I don't know about Eject and Safely Remove.
[23:08] <penguin42> MTughan: To a user they're pretty meaningless
[23:11] <Umeaboy> Damn............The Gnome-enviroment got ugly since I rebooted.
[23:11] <Umeaboy> It's as if the skin stopped working.
[23:12] <johndarc> latest lucid update changed my bootscreen to Mythbuntu, and default desktop is mythbuntu rather than ubuntu, is there something for me to be concerned about? how can I undo whatever has been done?
[23:12] <Umeaboy> teethdood: Got the same issue?
[23:12] <teethdood> I kind of like the theme skins in firefox (preview with mouseover). That would be cool in Ubuntu
[23:13] <teethdood> Umeaboy: I think at the login screen I played with it a bit (switching the environment to KDE then back to Gnome) it works fine now
[23:14] <Umeaboy> Okey.
[23:14] <Umeaboy> Apport has been gathering info for a while now.
[23:14] <Umeaboy> Is the bug THAT big?
[23:14] <Umeaboy> It should've stopped now.
[23:15] <arand> johndarc: Bug #550237
[23:16] <gnomefreak> johndarc: just change the setting back to what you had. The problem is more of the "it shouldnt change user settings"
[23:17] <gnomefreak> but IIRC the newest DE that you install takes default been like that for a long time
[23:18] <gnomefreak> at least it was that way with xfce and kde
[23:20] <mM94> anyone else still suffering from the slow browsing regression from karmic?
[23:23] <kklimonda> how does plymouth look with nvidia drivers installed?
[23:24] <yofel_> the kubuntu splash here has 640x480 resolution with 16 colors, looks like a proper splash screen otherwise
[23:24] <gnomefreak> looked great until latest plymouth updates now the res looks too big and lost the 10.04 lable
[23:24] <Michalxo> hello! I am having a problem with booting liveCD on amilo li1718... when booting menu should appear (TRY/ INSTALL choices) whole screen becomes overwritten by lines and whole booting process stops
[23:24] <Michalxo> any idea what can cause such a problem?
[23:25] <Michalxo> I have no option to boot w/o acpi/apic on/off
[23:25] <kklimonda> yofel_: so it's still the same old?
[23:25] <gnomefreak> graphic drivers maybe i know people complained about a problem something like yours with nvidia drivers
[23:26] <penguin42> Michalxo: Googling, that has an ATI Radeon, so I'd expect it to work - have you tried it on an external monitor ?
[23:26] <kprav33n> When I rebooted my system, I again lost the Thunderbird settings.
[23:26] <yofel_> kklimonda: hm? you mean only the progress bar? no, I see a kubuntu logo with white/blue dots and it displayed an fsck message here on last boot
[23:27] <Michalxo> we don't have here external monitor.. yea it's ATI radeon...
[23:27] <kprav33n> I see that the folder .thunderbird moved to .thunderbird.upstream
[23:27] <penguin42> Michalxo: Hmm, don't think I've seen anyone with the same bug on here
[23:27] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: that is becuase you are not using our package. with ours you should have a .thunderbird and a .thunderbird.abandoned
[23:28] <kprav33n> gnomefreak, I am using your package.
[23:28] <penguin42> gnomefreak: he and someone else were doing, they had both had packaged tb on karmic, both upgraded and hit that
[23:28] <kprav33n> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/711150
[23:28] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: than you did something because 1 we havent had a thunderbird update in a while and it wasnted named *.upstremam
[23:28] <kklimonda> yofel_: so nvidia users won't get anything nicer? :)
[23:28] <Michalxo> daamn :-( I am writing from another laptop, and I am using image from 27.3.2010.. so it's newer.. but I am not willing to install it just to check it out on that corrupted machine :-/
[23:29] <kprav33n> I moved to 10.04 beta 1
[23:29] <gnomefreak> and as i said you are not using our package if you are packaging it yourself
[23:29] <yofel_> kklimonda: not sure, the kubuntu splash is in the repos today, and today was the first time I actually got plymouth to work here ;)
[23:30] <Michalxo> penguin42 should I report it as a bug?
[23:30] <penguin42> Michalxo: Yes
[23:31] <kprav33n> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/711151
[23:31] <yofel_> I'll see if I can get some nicer framebuffers set up tomorrow, maybe that will improve how plymouth looks too
[23:31] <coolnix> question about resolution with a radeon xpress 200 with samsung syncmaster 191n
[23:31] <Michalxo> coolnix are you able to boot livecd?
[23:31] <kprav33n> gnomefreak, I am not packing it myself. 10.04 uses 3.0.3 from the official repository.
[23:32] <coolnix> yes installed beta 1 yesterday and its working fine but just resolution 1280x1024 is missing
[23:32] <coolnix> and as xorg.conf is not needed anymore  i don't know how to change this
[23:32] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: and you are not using our package or you combined a few things that shouldnt have. try renaming ~/.thunderbird and starting with a clean profile
[23:32] <kprav33n> gnomefreak, http://pastebin.mozilla.org/711151
[23:33] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: that doesnt show me anything that would help
[23:33] <kprav33n> gnomefreak, I tried that already and it worked.
[23:33] <kprav33n> But when I reboot, .thunderbird is again renamed to .thunderbird.upstream and .thunderbird becomes empty.
[23:34] <kprav33n> gnomefreak, The pastebin information is a proof that I am not running anything that isn't in the repository.
[23:34] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: did you get a import dialog?
[23:34] <kprav33n> I got the migration assistant dialog.
[23:34] <gnomefreak> not what i asked
[23:35] <kprav33n> No import dialog.
[23:35] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: hold on a minute
[23:36] <coolnix> Michalxo: do you have an idea?
[23:36] <Michalxo> coolnix just google :-(
[23:37] <coolnix> i did google for hours but found nothing helpful
[23:37] <coolnix> theme must be too new or don't know how to ask
[23:37] <Michalxo> try gnomefreak or penguin42
[23:38] <coolnix> if there is no xorg.conf what else is there to configure xorg with?
[23:38] <penguin42> coolnix: On the monitor dialog when it does detect monitors does it actually identify the monitor?
[23:38] <coolnix> no the monitor is not identified
[23:38] <penguin42> vga, dvi, hdmi or wet string?
[23:38] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: join #ubuntu-mozillateam and ask but the guy you want to speak to is not there and not sure if he will be back today
[23:39] <kprav33n> gnomefreak, Okay, Thanks!
[23:39] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: what does the following command give you? ls -a |grep .thunderbird
[23:39] <kprav33n> But I guess that they aren't going to redirect me to #ubuntu+1 as I am running 10.04 beta.
[23:39] <kprav33n> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/711152
[23:40] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: no he wouldnt since he is the dev :)
[23:40] <coolnix> was that question to me? it is vga
[23:41] <penguin42> coolnix: OK; so my monitor has the same problem - for no reason I know it won't identify itself - or thus say what it's resolution is - to the machine; I created an xorg.conf file for it, the other way is to use xrandr, sorry, it's a bit of a pain
[23:41] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: move all of the thunder dirs listed in your paste to another dir (backup) or somehting than start thunderbird using the menu launcher see if it reverts back to *.upstream
[23:41] <kprav33n> gnomefreak, ls output in http://pastebin.mozilla.org/711152
[23:41] <kprav33n> gnomefreak, Okay!
[23:42] <coolnix> but am i correct that if you use xorg.conf the kernel module will not be used?
[23:42] <gnomefreak> kprav33n: test it than restart it than test it (maybe 3 times or until you see the *.upstream dir)
[23:42] <penguin42> coolnix: No, which kernel module?
[23:44] <coolnix> i read that with 10.4 xorg.conf is no more needed as the support of radeon xpress is built into kernel or sth.
[23:44] <penguin42> coolnix: xorg.conf shouldn't be needed because it should automatically detect everything, however if it can't autodetect it you can still tell it with xorg.conf
[23:46] <KB1JWQ> Is there an approved way to install virtualbox on Lucid?
[23:46] <coolnix> ok, i know, how to build this as i had to do it for several machines on 9.10... thanks for answering !!!
[23:46] <kklimonda> KB1JWQ: apt-get install virtualbox-ose
[23:46] <penguin42> coolnix: No problem
[23:47] <KB1JWQ> kklimonda: And if I wanted to go with the closed source edition (USB passthrough is kind of a requirement for me)?
[23:47] <kklimonda> KB1JWQ: you are more or less on your own
[23:48] <KB1JWQ> kklimonda: Okay.  Thabks. :-)
[23:48] <penguin42> KB1JWQ: If yourmachine has VT you might consider KVM/QEMu - they work nicely on lucid
[23:48] <kklimonda> KB1JWQ: there are debian/ubuntu repos on the project's site so use them
[23:48] <kklimonda> penguin42: the desktop experience is less than stellar though
[23:49] <penguin42> kklimonda: I find it works well if you configure it with shm based display rather than VNC; but I agree it needs work
[23:49] <penguin42> (I also found the netbook edition doesn't render in it)
[23:52] <KB1JWQ> If I use a karmic repository on Lucid, am I likely to hose things?
[23:52] <gnomefreak> yes
[23:53] <yofel_> not necessarily, as long as it doesn't mess up any dependencies
[23:53] <Leftmost> I want to add the lucid repository to my sources, but I only want to pull certain updates from it. How can I prevent apt from trying to do upgrades on all packages from lucid?
[23:53] <gnomefreak> i get the answer as he leaves
[23:54] <gnomefreak> yofel_: i got to the point if they feel the need to ask than there is a good chance
[23:54] <almoxarife> gnomefreak: what's the answer, I had the same issue with thunderbird
[23:54] <gnomefreak> Leftmost: you can use pinning
[23:54] <yofel_> Leftmost: mixing karmic and lucid repos is a rather risky idea, but what you want can be done with package pins
[23:54] <yofel_> gnomefreak: heh, you're right there...
[23:54] <penguin42> Leftmost: Do you really want to mix or do you just want one or two specific packages from Karmic?
[23:55] <gnomefreak> almoxarife: i dont know i didnt ask yet but you will know when i am ready to ship you and him off the him
[23:55] <Volkodav> I can't mount Mac's Shared folders for some reason - windoze boxes can see and access  ok though and mac can access both win and linux shares - but not to it ?
[23:55] <almoxarife> gnomefreak: ship me off?
[23:55] <gnomefreak> yes
[23:55] <Volkodav> I guess it is samba issue, but they do not samba really - can access vis CIFS with mac
[23:56] <yofel_> penguin42: if I understand him right he's using karmic and wants some lucid packages
[23:56] <gnomefreak> almoxarife: join #ubuntu-mozillateam just dont ask anything until i am updated on his status
[23:56] <penguin42> yofel_: Oh that's not god much of a chance, the dependencies will be all over
[23:56] <penguin42> got
[23:56] <gnomefreak> thats even worse of an idea
[23:57] <penguin42> the opposite sometimes works for a few non-dependent apps, e.g. if you just want an older app
[23:57] <gnomefreak> partially upgraded system is always a good way to have to reinstall
[23:57] <Leftmost> Hmm. Specific packages, though I'm seeing a depency conflict now that'll cause problems. Nevermind, I suppose.
[23:58] <yofel> Leftmost: which package are you talking about? it's possible for some...
[23:58]  * gnomefreak brb smoke
[23:58] <Leftmost> libvirt0 and libvirt-bin, though they seemingly depend on libparted0, which conflicts with libparted1.8. Getting rid of libparted1.8 seems like a bad idea.
[23:58] <almoxarife> gnomefreak: I shipped out/off for 16.5 yrs, but I no longer have a sea bag
[23:59] <yofel> Leftmost: leave it, pretty much impossible without upgrading half of the core os
[23:59] <Leftmost> Yeah.