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Cogito1729pedro3005 - it worked. Reinstalled with ext3 and was then able to boot properly.00:11
pedro3005Cogito1729, \o/00:11
Cogito1729Pedro3005 - Yay!00:11
pedro3005Cogito1729, that is good!00:12
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nclucidhaving trouble with synergy+ - client is laggy, and running as root doesn't help. server is ubuntu karmic, client is widows 7. suggestions?02:34
nclucidhaving trouble with synergy+ - client is laggy, and running as root doesn't help. server is ubuntu karmic, client is widows 7. suggestions?02:49
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nclucidanyone know how i can exit a current session of synergys? it doens't show up in system monitor03:13
DonScottanyone know how to open .bin files ?04:16
seidosDonScott, have you tried executing the file?04:16
seidosusing ./filename04:16
seidosyou may have to make it executable first04:17
seidosbut before you do that make sure you know what you're doing04:17
DonScottit's a game called PlaneShift I just downloaded for linux04:17
DonScottPlaneShift-v0.5.2.1-x86.bin   is the file.04:18
seidosI assume it is safe04:18
seidosyou can make the bin file executeable then try to execute it04:18
marine1canthus13: you there bud04:18
marine1canthus13: wife finished bitching at me so I'm good for now04:19
DonScottso do i change .bin to .exe and make the file exeutable in the properties ?04:21
talsemgeestDonScott: You dont have to change the extension, they dont matter in linux to the same extent that they do in windows04:21
talsemgeestDonScott: Just make it executable in the properties, then try opeining it04:22
DonScottk04:22
DonScottwell....it says it's a file of an unknown type still.04:22
talsemgeestDonScott: Ok, open a terminal, cd into the directory (EG cd /home/username/Desktop)04:24
talsemgeestDonScott: Then run chmod +x PlaneShift-v0.5.2.1-x86.bin04:24
talsemgeestDonScott: Then ./PlaneShift-v0.5.2.1-x86.bin04:24
marine1after updating my ppa list the update specificy that it couldn't detect distribution???04:29
marine1i updated the key but it's not in my sources list could that be a problem??04:30
marine1i stand corrected it is there as ubuntu mozilla ppa team04:32
marine1the problem is it's not detecting the distribution of firefox04:32
ndefontenayI've lost my wireless icon after the latest update...04:33
DonScottOk that worked.... thanks04:36
marine1any tackers on this04:36
marine1can't get updates to recognize or detect distribution ???04:39
tenachAre you building firefox from source, marine1 ?04:41
marine1tenach: I have completed that portion of it already ff 3.7 alpha 404:41
tenachHm.04:43
tenachI would have added the ppa and then installed from the ppa.  I think that the issue might be that you built from source instead of downloading from the mozilla ppa04:43
tenachUnless they say to do that.  I am going to go check.04:43
marine1tenach: followed all of the instruction from PPA but when I update the old firefox versions appear for updates but then it states that it couldn't recognize or detect version04:43
tenachThe ppa does not seem to contain 3.704:44
marine1tenach: here iss the link: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa04:45
tenachAhh, okay04:45
tenachI was looking at their other team.04:45
tenachHave you tried removing firefox and then installing it from the ppa?04:46
marine1tenach: maybe no new updates are ready from the ppa source. The only distribing thing is that it couldn't detect version04:47
marine1tenach: disturbing04:47
marine1tenach: remove the older version???04:47
tenachYes.04:48
tenachYou do not want to build it from source if you are going to be using a ppa04:48
tenachYou will want to add the repository, then install Firefox-3.7 from apt or Synaptic.04:49
marine1tenach: oh I see let me see if it's in synaptic04:50
steelsteveok, question here04:52
steelsteveI use an ipod, but recently it hasn't been able to be accesed by my compueter04:52
steelsteve I don't use itunes (now) but I used rythembox04:52
steelsteve it seems I have run out of 'activations', or whatever the term is, for my ipod, is there a way around it?04:52
marine1tenach: i don't see it in there04:52
tenachmarine1, run sudo apt-get update in a Terminal04:52
tenachto update your package list04:53
marine1tenach: I have done that already04:53
tenachHm.04:53
tenachDoes the ppa give you errors when it tries to update?04:53
steelsteve ok, question here04:53
steelsteveI use an ipod, but recently it hasn't been able to be accesed by my compueter04:53
steelsteve I don't use itunes (now) but I used rythembox it seems I have run out of 'activations', or whatever the term is, for my ipod, is there a way around it?04:53
steelsteveoppd04:54
marine1tenach: it did before but not anymore i wnet back to the ppa site and did everything over again and it updated correctly this time.04:54
marine1tenach: went04:54
steelsteveok, can someone help me? (anyone anyone?)04:55
marine1tenach: it's there now04:56
tenachSorry steelsteve, I do not know what I can do to help.  I do not have an ipod04:56
tenachmarine1, cool04:56
steelstevethanks anyways tenach04:56
tenachIf you are willing to wait I am sure someone here will be able to help :D04:57
marine1tenach: so what should I do with the older version of firefox? delete them thru synaptic04:57
tenachsteelsteve, have you looked through the forum?04:57
tenachmarine1, I would delete it to be safe, so that there are no potential conflicts.04:57
steelsteveI don't know the term for the 'activations' so I can't do an effective search04:58
marine1tenach: thru synaptic or nautilus04:58
tenachmarine1, through synaptic04:58
marine1tenach: fine on that but what about the version I have installed thru sources 3.7 how do i delete that???04:59
tenachIf they are the same, I think that the ppa would install over the one from source.  I would say wait and see if it causes problems when you update to the next version of Firefox fro mthe ppa05:00
tenachsteelsteve, itunes activations ran out?05:00
steelsteveyeah05:00
steelstevebut not itunes05:00
steelsteveit craped out on rythembox05:00
tenachHm.05:01
nclucidhaving trouble with synergy lagging on client. karmic server, windows 7 client. tried running as root, but that didn't help. any suggestions?05:02
steelsteve ok, question here05:09
steelsteveI use an ipod, but recently it hasn't been able to be accessed by my computer05:09
steelsteveI don't use itunes (now) but I used rythembox05:09
steelsteveit seems I have run out of 'activations', or whatever the term is, for my ipod, is there a way around it?05:09
steelstevejust because maybe someone else is looking05:09
seidossteelsteve, I have an ipod and I don't have the foggiest idea what you mean by "activations"05:15
seidosof course it doesn't work to synchronize songs...I have a 5th gen Ipod 80GB05:16
steelsteveyeah, it's in itunes, they say you only have a limited number of allowances for each ipod05:16
steelstevethough it might just be the account05:16
steelsteveanyways, it's a first gen ipod nano05:16
seidoshaven't seen that problem05:21
steelstevehum05:21
steelstevewell it's not allowing me to access the ipod anyways05:21
steelsteveneed to fgure it out05:21
marine1tenach: how do i make sure all of my dependencies are loaded because alot of the web pages are going black and not loading properly05:30
marine1ok now this firefox 3.7 alpha build keeps hanging up and goes black and doesn't finish loading????05:33
tenachmarine1, sometimes the daily builds don't work05:35
marine1tenach: alright can i go back to my previous version05:35
marine1tenach: thru synaptic05:36
tenachmarine1, with the daily I don't really know.05:38
marine1tenach: should java be loaded05:38
tenachmarine1, only if you are trying to access pages with java in them.05:39
marine1tenach: then that won't be the problem with this version not loading and turning black05:39
tenachHm.05:42
marine1tenach: the source build worked better than the ppa version now i'm stuck with this one05:43
tenachUninstall the ppa version and rebuild from source, maybe?05:43
tenachI do not know an easier way to go about that.05:43
marine1tenach: wow this sucks because I followed your direction and deleted the source code and this version freezes every time I open ti05:45
marine1tenach: I can't get source without the internet05:45
tenachmarine1, you can still obtain the source through the terminal with wget05:46
tenachare you using 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu?05:47
tenachwget http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/firefox-3.7a4pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz205:47
tenachThis is for 32bit firefox05:47
marine1tenach: 9.04 64 bit05:49
tenachokay05:49
tenachthen you can enter wget http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/firefox-3.7a4pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 in a terminal05:49
tenachand it will download the source into the directory you're currently in.05:50
marine1tenach: ok done now what05:54
marine1tenach: it's in my home folder05:55
tenachbunzip it and then compile from source like you did before.05:55
tenachHello ZachK_06:01
steelsteveError opening file '/media/STEVE/iPod_Control/Music/F10/04 - My Funny Valentine.mp3': Permission denied06:04
steelstevethis is what's happeneing when I try to update my ipod with new music06:04
steelstevedoes anyone know of something to help me?06:05
noob-skiddieUm...  Hello...06:47
noob-skiddie:-(06:50
tenachHello noob-skiddie06:55
noob-skiddieHello tenach...07:07
noob-skiddieHow are you?07:07
tenachI am doing pretty grand, yourself?07:08
noob-skiddieI'm sorry for the late response, as well - been to shower.  :(07:08
noob-skiddieAwesome, nice to know you are doing well.07:08
tenachHey, no problem.  IRC is great for allowing delayed conversations.07:08
noob-skiddieAnd I feel pretty so-so...  comme ci comme ça...07:09
tenachit's better than not feeling good at all, :)07:11
noob-skiddielol, indeed.  :)07:12
tenachDo you hang out around here often noob-skiddie ?07:20
noob-skiddieNo...  This is my first time here.  =/07:21
noob-skiddieI had Ubuntu for only 3 months.07:21
noob-skiddie... and I'm learning how to use my IRC client right now.07:21
tenachOh, cool.  Welcome to irc then07:21
noob-skiddieSwitching to Linux from Windows is hard.  :(07:21
tenachOnly for a little while, noob-skiddie07:22
noob-skiddieThanks...07:22
noob-skiddieI hope so too.  *crosses finger*07:22
tenachIf you need help, don't be afraid to search the forum/ask questions there as well as here.07:22
noob-skiddieSimply learning how to use the editor (vim) is hard enough.  :(07:22
tenachHahah. I don't use vim.07:23
tenachI use nano for command line and gedit for graphical.07:23
tenachvim is ridiculously hard, but pretty powerful07:23
noob-skiddieMy school teacher pushes me to use either vim or emacs.  I want to try both and see how each feels.07:24
noob-skiddieNeedless to say, both editors are ridiculously difficult to learn.07:24
MadameTockOoh.07:24
tenachHello MadameTock07:25
tenachYes they are.07:25
noob-skiddieHello MadameTock.07:25
tenachI have never found the need to use one of those editors, nano does me just fine.07:26
tenachI'll probably dabble with them sometime just to see what I'm missing.07:26
noob-skiddieI tried to use nano for a while...  until my teacher threw me a program with two 3000-line files to edit.07:27
MadameTock'Lo, noob-skiddie, tenach07:27
noob-skiddieI was banging my head until I discover how to fold code in vim.07:28
tenachThat already sounds like a useful addition that nano doesn't do (to my knowledge)07:28
noob-skiddieYeah...  Every time I tried to use it, I always found something new.07:33
tenachGenerally when coding I use something else like gedit or geany.08:37
tenachSince command line, in nano, coding sucks. xD08:37
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st4aluckMy laptop freezes when I switch from AC to battery. On 8.04  I have no problems with it. Can sombody help me please!!!!10:14
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leoquantst4aluck A TOSHIBA?10:27
leoquantst4aluck i had a tosh with a similar problem i had to buy a new battery and everthing was fine10:28
leoquantst4aluck do you have the same problems in/with a live session, via a live cd?10:29
st4aluckleoquant: no, it's not like that, I've just tested it on live 8.04 and it works but with live Knoppix which has the same kernel as 10.04 doesn't10:30
leoquantso we got a random problem10:30
leoquanti did read the thread yesterday, i presume/ assume it is the same problem?10:31
leoquantyou did start a thread on ubuntuforums/10:32
st4aluckleoquant: are talking with me!?!10:33
leoquantyes who else is talking?10:33
st4aluck:)))10:33
st4alucksorry, can you show me the tread please?10:33
leoquantcould you give me a linkage to your forum thread st4aluck?10:34
leoquantheh you did not start a thread on ubuntuforums? why not?10:34
leoquantsubforums laptops/hardware10:34
leoquantit is really the best idea to deal with this problem st4aluck10:39
st4aluckleoquant: I have to open a threa!?!!??10:39
leoquanti read the irc logs and were adviced to do so.10:44
leoquantyou10:44
leoquantst4aluck do you find it a bad idea to open a thread on ubuntuforums?10:45
st4aluckleoquant: no but where exactly10:46
leoquantHardware & Laptops: http://ubuntuforums.org/10:46
st4aluckleoquant: there is one here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/48131210:47
st4aluckleoquant: but not like mine10:48
leoquantdescribe your problem with care on ubuntuforums, the best advice i can give you st4aluck, as other did yesterday10:51
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st4aluckleoquant: What title is good for the thread10:59
st4aluckleoquant: I am going to post new thread on Hardware&Laptops11:00
leoquantMy laptop freezes when I switch from AC to battery.11:02
leoquantexplain you'r battery is fine, etc11:03
leoquantgive your hardware specs11:04
st4aluckleoquant: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post903934111:14
Akoshi team11:19
Akoswhat's the command that helps me find what ips are assigned to a serveR?11:19
leoquantst4aluck welldone :)11:24
leoquanthi Akos, i am not into servers sorry...11:24
st4aluckleoquant: 10x I'am looking forwards11:24
Akos):11:25
leoquantst4aluck with no luck, please join us somewhat later on IRC to evaluate the thread and your problem, there are more people around than, ok?11:26
st4aluckleoquant: i'll do, thanks11:27
leoquant:)11:27
nigelbAkos, catch bodhi when you can.  he's the expert  at servers11:29
Akosnigelb: thx, i'll try (:11:30
lukjad86Hai ducky14:49
duckyhi14:49
pedro3005hi14:50
lukjad86Hi kwjr14:51
kwjr:) howdy14:51
marine1ok have to compile from source the ppa version of ff 3.7 continually freezes15:00
marine1plugins are not enabled in ff what is the command for that15:11
marine1loading blank page can't find server15:11
marine1about:plugins reveal nothing loaded15:11
marine1alright any takers on this15:13
marine1need command for plugins15:16
lukjad86marine1 Have you installed any plugins?15:27
marine1lukjad86: i followed the command line instruction to load them.15:27
lukjad86Hm, I'm not too sure on the 3.7, I haven't upgraded to that.15:28
lukjad86marine1 You might want to ask in #firefox15:28
marine1lukjad86: basically the ppa code for ff 3.7 keeps crashing page turns black and doesn't load I have to force quit the program.15:29
marine1lukjad86: let me try that15:38
lukjad86marine1 Just so you know, it may take a while for them to get back to you, but they should in time15:41
marine1lukjad86: should I erase all instances of ff from my machine and start over from source15:42
lukjad86marine1 I usually prefer to try and fix what you have before erasing15:42
lukjad86One idea that may or may not work could be to rename your .mozilla folder to something like .mozilla.old and try opening firefox again, it could be a configuration error. Try and re-set it up and see if it works15:43
marine1lukjad86: that's what I tried to do and now look at this mess, basically 3.7 freezes and the other doesn't load. Running epiphany now just to use web15:43
lukjad86Hm.15:44
lukjad86I guess then it just would be a good time to cut your losses and reinstall15:44
marine1lukjad86: i have d/l the source code again would that override the ppa version or do I need to take it down???15:45
lukjad86marine1 I have never tried it, but I think that the ppa should be uninstalled first, since it can get confusing to have all these different firefox versions installed15:46
lukjad86They also can conflict with one another if they each use the same folder naming structure15:46
lukjad86s/can/could15:47
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marine1lukjad86: alright then that is what I was thinking. I should have left well enough alone with 3.5.8 but like everyone else needed the latest and greatest.15:47
lukjad86marine1 I'm planning on trying that out too... I may reconsider :)15:48
lukjad86heh15:48
lukjad86marine1 there is someone I know who installed it successfully15:48
marine1lukjad86: do you know how to compile from source??15:48
marine1lukjad86: basically a bz2 file15:49
lukjad86marine1 bodhi_zazen gave me a guide a while back... I'll see if I can find it for you15:49
lukjad86marine1 He should be online one of these days15:49
lukjad86marine1 He may be able to help15:49
marine1lukjad86: he has helped me b415:49
lukjad86Ah15:49
lukjad86marine1 He probably would be the one to ask15:49
marine1lukjad86: so your is naswer is no???15:49
marine1answer15:50
lukjad86marine1 I can get around it, but I would hesitate to try and show you how since I haven't compiled ff in a while and don't really remember what I did last time15:50
marine1lukjad86: good enough15:50
marine1lukjad86: let me know when you find the file15:51
lukjad86Sure.15:51
lukjad86ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/15:51
lukjad86http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/icecat-64-bit-how-to-compile/15:51
lukjad86http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/installing+Firefox+on+Linux15:51
lukjad86http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/system-requirements.html15:51
lukjad86marine1 ^15:51
marine1lukjad86: let me look now15:52
lukjad86k15:52
marine1lukjad86: are you running icecat??16:01
lukjad86marine1 No, but I'm planning on testing it out16:01
dude1Anyone for some assistance with configuring grub to boot PC-BSD?17:07
paultagHellow, HAPPY BIRTHDAY17:35
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nclucidhaving lag issues running synergy+ over wireless (i don't have the option to hardwire). is there anything i can do to reduce the lag? router settings, etc.18:24
Xokeover wireless?  Encrypted?18:24
nclucidWPA218:26
XokeI'm running synergy here at work although it is over wired connections18:27
Xokedon't have any problems so I'm just guessing it could be the encryption18:27
Xokeof course turning it off would be bad18:27
nclucidand wep is weak18:27
nclucid(not sure if it's even faster or not)18:28
XokeI thought WPA2 also had it's flaws depending on how you set it up18:28
nclucidyeah i've heard the same18:29
XokeI believe if you have a pre shared key you need to have er.. I think a 15 minute time before the key changes to be safe18:29
marine1bodhi_zazen: i made a wrong decision and decided to use the ppa over the source code for the ff 3.7 build. After it was installed and working properly now the ppa version keeps freezing and the web pages don't load. I have to force quit.18:29
Xokenot that this helps your synergy problem18:29
Xokeout of interest, if you ping one machine from the other how long does it take?18:30
nclucid5ms18:31
Xokei.e. nothing18:32
XokeI know it would be a pain, but if you DID remove encryption (for a minute) and tried it again it would prove it that was causing the lag18:33
Xokeif it's still laggy then it could just be as it's wireless18:33
marine1bodhi_zazen: subsequent to this I removed all versions of ff from my p.c.not have any discrepancies when loading it. I thought with some help that the ppa source would be a more stable choice and less headache in the future. Boy was I wrong i have re downloaded the bz2 file. It is safer to use the 3.5.8 version rather than the 3.7 alpha 4???18:34
marine1bodhi_zazen: what about icecat 64 bit???18:34
tenachmarine1, it is much more stable to use firefox that is in the repository or from their website, not an alpha build.18:35
nclucidis there a way i could run synergy hard-wired through a phone cable?18:35
nclucidmy old school box doesn't have an ethernet port is my problem18:35
Xokenclucid, hmm... probably, but I'm thinking it would be a pain in the butt to do18:35
Xokeif you have TCP/IP set up so it has an IP address then you should be able to do it over any physical line18:36
Xokethe problem would be setting that up, and if it was over a modem it would be slow18:36
nclucidXoke: how could i do it without a modem?18:37
marine1tenach: I hear you bro and that is what I did, over the trunk build and this version doesn't work properly the page freezes and turns black. I should have left well enough alone and stuck with 3.5.8.18:37
marine1tenach: but like everyone else you got to have the latest and greatest18:38
tenachI agree for the most part.  There are things like web browsers that I don't mind not running the latest and greatest.18:38
Xokenclucid, that is getting a little above me.  IF you can get TCP/IP set up over the line then it should (in theory) work fine.18:39
marine1tenach: so start from scartch and get the stable ppa build(64bit) version18:40
tenachI think that would be the safest.18:40
marine1tenach: i have saved all of my bookmarks and settings so i can always import them again18:40
tenachThat's good.18:40
tenachI always forget to do that.18:40
tenachI have no bookmarks right now. :18:41
marine1tenach: so go thru the synaptic package manager18:41
nclucidXoke: thanks for the help - at least something else i can try now!18:41
Xokenclucid, no probs, sorry I couldn't really give a better answer though18:41
marine1tenach: do you know the web page for the stable builds?? I'm use epiphany right now since ff is now working at all18:41
Xokemarine1, you installed from PPA and borked it?  Is that the short version?  Why not remove and add it back from the official (ubuntu) repos?18:42
XokeI had a similar problem with thunderbird messing things up (3.1)18:42
marine1Xoke: LOL borked it?? I originally complied it with bodhi_zazen then went thru ppa thinking that would be safer and less of a headache in the future and it borked!!!18:44
Xokedaily build ppa?18:45
marine1Xoke: i ahve removed all ff versions from my p.c. That's correct daily ppa18:45
marine1Xoke: have18:45
marine1Xoke: the 3.7 ppa versions does not work properly the trunk version did(source)18:46
XokeIIRC there was a stable build ppa18:47
Xokebut as they are firefox-3.6, 3.7 and so on you should just be able to apt-get install firefox (or mozilla-firefox or whatever the package name is) to go to the Ubuntu version, albeit the older one18:48
ZachK_Xoke: Your command eas almost right! It's sudo apt-get install Mozilla-firefox18:52
Xokewell I wasn't going for perfection lol.  Plus I never remember it as I have it aliased :P18:54
Xokeins -> sudo apt-get install18:54
Xokeupd -> update then upgrade then auto-remove :)18:54
ZachK_Yup....18:54
* ZachK_ gives Xoke the Daily Grand Prix18:54
Xokelol18:54
ZachK_*Prize18:54
marine1Xoke: Thru the command line and it says that firefox 3 is already installed but it doesn't appear or launch when i try to launch it from the terminal it says that fire needs to be installed.18:54
Xokemarine1, odd.  Try reinstalling it?18:55
marine1Xoke: : Couldn't find package Mozilla-firefox18:55
XokeZachK_, I even stuck the alias commands on my website so I don't have to remember THAT!  How lazy am I :P18:55
ZachK_Xoke: Not lazy...just forgetful18:56
Xokeactually I have the package as 'firefox' only, no mozilla18:56
marine1Xoke: : Couldn't find package Mozilla-firefox, let me try sudo apt-get install firefox18:57
XokeZachK_, so how many aliases do you have set up? :P18:57
marine1Xoke: firefox is already the newest version.18:57
marine1firefox set to manually installed.18:57
ZachK_Xoke: Wha?18:57
Xokemarine1, manually installed?  Did you grab a deb file from somewhere?18:58
marine1Xoke: manually install from synaptic18:58
marine1Xoke: i ahve a bz2 file on my desktop but that is it all references of ff have been removed from my system18:58
ZachK_Welcome back st4aluck18:59
Xokemarine1, odd.  Try to reinstall it (er.. apt-get reinstall is it?)18:59
marine1Xoke: sudo apt-get reinstall firefox is that right???18:59
Xokemarine1, just trying to double check lol, hold on19:00
Xokeunless someone else here remembers the command :P19:00
marine1bodhi_zazen: I think that is your cue??? Lol19:01
Xokenope it's not reinstall19:01
Xokeyou can do that through synaptec, there is a reinstall option19:01
marine1Xoke: on firefox 3.0?? let me try that19:01
Xokenot sure of the command line equivalent, but you can sudo apt-get remove firefox to remove it19:01
marine1Xoke: ok it has been removed now let me head on over to synaptic... How do I mkae syre that it'sa 64bit version19:03
Xokeer... I thoguht it did that based off of your OS version19:03
Xokeif 64 bit you only got the 64 bit repos19:03
Xokeother versions tend not to install anyway as they complain about the wrong architecture19:04
marine1Xoke: that sounds correct but i didn't think that mozilla builds 64 bit versions only 32 bit19:04
Xokewhich you CAN force past but it's a pain and not something you can do accidentally19:04
XokeI have 32 bit here so I can't check for you19:04
Xokeit should have something listed if you go into synaptec and read about the package19:05
marine1Xoke: alright let me try, start with 3.0 or go straight to 3.5, 3.6 ??? then upgrade19:05
Xokewell that is the question lol.  How cutting edge do you want to be?19:06
Xokeand you may end up getting the borked version again!19:06
Xokedid that myself a few times lol19:06
XokeI'd probably go 3.5 or 3.6 if it was my machine19:07
marine1Xoke: LOl let me see if there is a 3.5 or 3.6 safe version here not the dummy version as it is called19:07
Xokethink 3.6 is good, IIRC19:08
XokeI have 3.6.2 pre here and it's stable on mine19:08
marine1Xoke: now just checked all versions loaded the only one with the ubuntu symbol is the 3.0 version the other ones are in there but not with symbol19:09
Xokethat means they are not in the 'official' comes with karmic version I believe19:10
marine1Xoke: alright let me try 3.6 for ubuntu 9.04 and see what happens :>19:11
Xokeok19:11
marine1Xoke: the 3.6.2 did you get that from the package manager19:13
Xokedaily build ppa, but through apt yes19:14
marine1Xoke: that means I have to add it because it only shows 3.519:14
Xokeahhh, well you don't have to :P19:14
marine1Xoke:  Just as a side note should i install 3.0 just to have the basics or is it necessary??19:15
Xokenope, only one package is required19:15
marine1Xoke: ok it ran and finished d/l but I don't see it. and just typed in terminal firefox and it says not installed.19:18
marine1Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~$ firefox 3.519:18
marine1The program 'firefox' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:19:18
marine1sudo apt-get install firefox-3.019:18
marine1bash: firefox: command not found19:18
Xokejust 'firefox' to start it19:19
marine1Xoke:  same thing: robert@robert-desktop:~$ firefox19:19
marine1The program 'firefox' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:19:19
marine1sudo apt-get install firefox-3.019:19
marine1bash: firefox: command not found19:19
Xoketype in 'fire' then hit tab (maybe twice) to see the autocomplete19:20
marine1Xoke: firefox-3.0     firefox-3.5     firefox.ubuntu19:20
XokeOK, go firefox-3.5 then19:21
Xokeodd though as mine is just firefox19:21
Xokebut I play around way to much with repos lol19:21
marine1Xoke: ok it launch but it saying this in the terminal::obert@robert-desktop:~$ firefox-3.519:23
marine1*NOTICE* No previous firefox-3.5 profile found, we'll initialize a profile using a copy of your existing 'firefox' profile.19:23
marine1Transfering... done.19:23
marine1Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module": /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS6419:23
marine1Xoke: when I closed my terminal the window for ff closed with it19:23
Xokeyeah you have to be careful when running stuff from a terminal19:24
marine1Xoke: ok so let me try and create a launcher for this it's in my /usr/lib folder19:25
Xokebasically you run something and you need to do a ctrl+z to pause it and give you the command line back then do 'bg' to send it to the background19:25
XokeI like to do that to debug stuff though19:26
marine1Xoke: that's new to me!!19:26
Xokeit's a command line thing, you can google for more info about it19:26
Xokebut I'm glad you learnt something :)19:26
marine1Xoke:  what's the correct command for the launcher /usr/lib/fireox 3.5.8 %u19:27
XokeI tend to skip the %u stuff at the end19:27
Xokebasically if you call it via %u that is passing any parameters in, so if you wanted to load a specific page up you can use that19:28
Xokebut as I just click to run it, I don't bother19:28
marine1Xoke:  so just list the absolute path19:28
Xokejust firefox should work19:29
Xokebut absolute path is always best19:29
marine1Xoke: /usr/lib/firefox 3.5.8/firefox19:29
marine1Xoke: could this be wrong path??? Failed to execute child process "/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8" (Permission denied)19:31
Xokewhat if you change the launcher to just say 'firefox' (or make a new one).  Does that work?19:31
marine1Xoke:  let me try when building from package manager it also included 3.0 so i want to make sure it doesn't use that19:32
Xokewell you can do help->about to find the version19:33
marine1Xoke: still didn't launch same error19:33
marine1Xoke: command is about firefox version19:34
Xokeok, if you look at the /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8 directory what are the permissions19:34
marine1Xoke: root for the actual firefox19:35
marine1Xoke: log19:37
marine1-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 93080 2010-02-14 21:09 firefox-3.519:37
Xokethen that is why the permissions problem19:37
Xokehold on, got to sort something out19:37
marine1Xoke:  chmod 644 maybe not sure19:37
marine1Xoke: log19:39
marine1-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 93080 2010-02-14 21:09 firefox-3.519:39
marine1-rw-r--r-- 1 root root   460 2010-02-14 21:07 firefox-3.5-restart-required.update-notifier19:39
marine1Xoke: you back yet20:11
hcs7daplooking for some help with puppy...20:19
Xokeyes, sorry major emergency at work20:20
Xokewell it wasn't, but someone thought it was :P20:20
Xokeok so where were we.... permissions20:20
Xokemarine1, I have a /usr/bin/firefox which is a link to /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.2pre20:25
Xokespecifically to /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.2pre/firefox.sh20:25
Xokeit is 777 on permissions20:25
marine1Xoke: ok so what exactly do I type in chmod 777 /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.820:26
marine1Xoke: this is control z output20:27
marine1Xoke: ^Z20:27
marine1[1]+  Stopped                 firefox-3.520:27
Xokeyes20:27
Xokethat means it's still there but it's stopped (not quit though)20:28
marine1Xoke: but if I close the terminal it still closes out ff20:28
Xokeif you type 'bg' it will continue it, but in the background20:28
XokeTHEN you should be able to close the terminal20:28
marine1Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~$ bg20:28
marine1[1]+ firefox-3.5 &20:28
Xokeinterestingly enough, you can do a similar thing by just running 'firefox-3.5 &' which sends it to run in the background20:29
marine1Xoke:  it still closed out ff after the command20:29
Xokehmm.. let me try20:29
Xokeodd, that doesn't close firefox when I run it20:31
Xokebut then again we know I have something set up different on mine20:31
marine1Xoke: it's ok I just tried ctrl z plus bg then I typed in firefox-3.5 which launched another session but when I exited out of the terminal everything closed out20:32
XokeI did 'firefox' then 'ctrl+z' then 'bg' then closed the terminal and firefox remained20:32
marine1how do I change the permission chmod 777 /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8 ???20:32
Xokewell hold on, trying to see how I have mine set up20:33
Xokeas my /usr/bin/firefox points to /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.2pre/firefox.sh20:33
Xoke-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root     4574 2010-03-02 21:25 firefox.sh20:34
Xokethat is what my /usr/lib/firefoxXXX is set up as20:34
marine1Xoke:  so what path the one i typed20:34
XokeI have 3.6.2pre on my system hence that directory.  You presuambly have a /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8 directory?20:35
Xokewhich has a firefox.sh file in there?20:35
marine1Xoke: correct20:35
Xokewhich is the one that I launch firefox with20:35
marine1Xoke: right the problem is the permission\20:36
Xokewhat happens if you run that file?  so run /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8/mozilla.sh20:36
Xokewell if you have r-xr-xr-x then no - it is runnable by 'the world'20:36
marine1Xoke: it says no file or directory20:37
Xokeshoot, sorry firefox.sh at the end20:37
marine1Xoke: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  5052 2010-02-14 21:08 firefox.sh20:38
Xokewhch is what we want - everyone can run but only root can update it :)20:38
marine1Xoke: so let me run the above command20:39
marine1Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~$ /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8/firefox.sh20:40
marine1*NOTICE* No previous firefox.sh profile found, we'll initialize a profile using a copy of your existing 'firefox' profile.20:40
marine1Xoke: nothing is happening with the terminal  it says transfering... done20:41
Xokeodd20:41
marine1Xoke: now in the folder there is a sh file20:42
Xokewhich sh file?20:43
marine1Xoke: firefoxsh20:44
Xokeit wasn't there before?20:44
marine1Xoke:  Yes it always been there20:45
Xokegood, was wondering how we ran a file that didn't exist :P20:45
marine1Xoke: should I try to chmod 777 /usr/bin/firefox20:46
Xokeso having looked in my firefox.sh script it grabs a profile from your home directory to start, if it can20:46
Xokeno, we don't want anyone to be able to write to it without root priveleges20:46
Xokeok so can you do a 'ls ~/.mozilla/firefox' for me - see if we have anything there20:47
marine1Xoke: Crash Reports  girl8lri.default  profiles.ini20:48
Xokecat ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini20:48
Xokethat should mention the girl8 directory20:49
marine1Xoke: [General]20:49
marine1StartWithLastProfile=120:49
marine1[Profile0]20:49
marine1Name=default20:49
marine1IsRelative=120:49
marine1Path=girl8lri.default20:49
Xokeok good, so it's pointing to the profile20:49
Xokeit should be working20:50
Xokeyou have firefox there, it has a profile so there isn't any reason it should be copying stuff over20:50
marine1Xoke: i think that girlb was a pre 3.6.2 namora that I tried to install earlier but it wasn't compbatable20:50
Xokewell for a laugh rename the profiles.ini file to profiles.old or something20:51
marine1Xoke: combatable20:51
Xokeit should recreate a profile - although you will lose any extensions etc20:51
marine1Xoke: i'm not sure if that is totally correct just trying to give you as much info as possibleO:-)20:52
Xokehey it's worth a shot :)20:52
marine1Xoke: where is the path for mozilla/firefox/profiles can't find in /usr/lib20:54
Xokein your home directory20:54
Xoke~/.mozilla/firefox20:55
Xoke~ is the same as /home/YOUR_USER_NAME20:55
marine1Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~/.mozilla/firefox$ ls -l20:56
marine1total 1220:56
marine1drwx------  2 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 09:57 Crash Reports20:56
marine1drwx------ 10 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 10:10 girl8lri.default20:56
marine1-rw-r--r--  1 robert robert   94 2010-01-31 12:16 profiles.ini20:56
Xokeyep, rename the profiles.ini should force it to make a new one20:57
Xokemv profiles.ini profiles.old20:57
marine1thru gksu nautilus20:57
Xokemv = move20:57
Xokeor nautilus lol20:57
Xokeplain nautilus would work, don't have to gksu it as it's your file and you don't need root :)20:58
marine1Xoke:  having trouble finding it in robert(home)21:00
Xokeoh lol21:00
Xokethe . at the start of the file or folder means it's a HIDDEN file or folder21:01
Xokeso make sure you have hidden files being show21:01
Xoke+n21:01
Xokeview -> show hidden files or something21:01
Xokebeen a while since I have used nautilus21:01
marine1Xoke: ok i just expaned the folder to show hidden files one sec21:02
marine1Xoke:  which folder the firefox.sh ???21:03
Xokein /home/robert/.mozilla/firefox21:03
Xokerename profiles.ini21:03
Xokethen when you run firefox again it should create a new profile for you (hopefully)21:04
marine1ok done renamed it21:04
Xoketry running /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8/firefox.sh again21:04
Xokethink that was the file you had21:04
marine1Xoke: ok typed it in and the cursor is just blinking21:05
marine1Xoke: nothing launched21:05
Xokedid it say anything in the terminal?21:06
marine1Xoke:  no still blinking , Now I just checked the files in the mozilla folder and all of them have a profile.ini in them21:07
Xokeodd.  It should make a new profile.ini and another directory (with some random name) also, but I thought it would have loaded firerfox also21:07
marine1Xoke: let clear the terminal and look in the mozilla folder again21:08
marine1Xoke:  this what it says now :robert@robert-desktop:~/.mozilla/firefox$ ls -l21:12
marine1total 1221:12
marine1drwx------  2 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 09:57 Crash Reports21:12
marine1drwx------ 10 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 10:10 girl8lri.default21:12
marine1-rw-r--r--  1 robert robert   94 2010-01-31 12:16 profiles.old21:12
Xokeno new profiles.ini?21:15
marine1Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~/.mozilla$ ls -l21:16
marine1total 2421:16
marine1drwx------ 3 robert robert 4096 2010-01-31 12:16 extensions21:16
marine1drwx------ 4 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 16:03 firefox21:16
marine1drwx------ 4 robert robert 4096 2010-03-06 09:27 firefox-3.521:16
marine1drwx------ 3 robert robert 4096 2010-01-31 12:16 firefox-3.5.abandoned21:16
marine1drwx------ 4 robert robert 4096 2010-03-06 09:27 firefox-3.721:16
marine1drwx------ 4 robert robert 4096 2010-03-06 09:27 firefox.sh21:16
marine1Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~/.mozilla/firefox$ ls -a21:17
marine1.  ..  Crash Reports  girl8lri.default  profiles.old21:17
marine1Xoke: i don't see any new profile.ini in the firefox folder21:18
marine1Xoke: what do you think21:19
marine1Xoke: should we point to another folder/file maybe 3.521:20
Xokethinking they are using a different directory21:20
marine1Xoke: is there a command to find out what the link is for example: bin/link21:21
Xokee.g. .mozilla/firefox-3.621:21
Xokebased on what I read in the firefox.sh it is using the firefox-3.5 directory21:21
marine1Xoke: here is the file firefox 3.5 :robert@robert-desktop:~/.mozilla/firefox-3.5$ ls -l21:23
marine1total 1221:23
marine1drwx------  2 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 09:57 Crash Reports21:23
marine1drwx------ 10 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 15:31 girl8lri.default21:23
marine1-rw-r--r--  1 robert robert   94 2010-01-31 12:16 profiles.ini21:23
Xokerename THAT profiles.ini please21:24
marine1Xoke: we renamed the original one in the firefox folder this one will be in the ff 3.5 folder21:25
marine1Xoke: profiles.old is that good or something else21:25
Xokethat is fine :)21:26
marine1Xoke: should i allow executing of file??? in the permisiion box21:27
AJH101hello i am trying to update ubuntu but get the following error - any ideas? E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)21:27
AJH101E: Unable to lock the download directory21:27
marine1Xoke: changed the name21:28
marine1Xoke:I'm going to run /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8/firefox.sh agian21:29
marine1Xoke:  samew results21:33
marine1same21:33
marine1Xoke: in the ff 3.5 folder it created another profile.ini file21:35
AJH101hello i am trying to update ubuntu but get the following error - any ideas? E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)21:37
XokeAJH101, are you root and do you have another update manager (or apt-get in a terminal) open?21:39
Xokemarine1, still no launching?21:40
AJH101Xoke: not that i know of!21:40
AJH101pidgin mozilla and xchat21:41
AJH101Xoke: this prob has only recently occured - no idea why21:42
marine1Xoke: no but the folder that I changed the name, it also added another folder and 1 more file named profile.ini21:42
Xokemarine1, well we wanted it to do that to make sure it wasn't a profile issue21:43
Xokeif you do a 'ps -a' does it list firefox as running?21:43
XokeAJH101, rebooting would force anything that had it open to close and might fix the problem21:43
Xokehopefully it would21:43
marine1Xoke:  PID TTY          TIME CMD21:44
marine129780 pts/0    00:00:00 ps21:44
marine1Xoke:  think I should reboot21:45
Xokeps -A sorry21:45
Xoketo show all processes, not just those in the terminal21:45
AJH101Xoke:  ok will try21:45
marine1Xoke:  i closed ff before should I open it thru terminal then run ps -A21:46
Xokejust run ps -A and see if it's running in the background hidden somewhere21:47
XokeI've had that, then when you try to open it again it doesn't21:47
marine1Xoke:  nowhere to be found21:49
Xokeeasy way to check is 'ps -A | grep firefox'21:50
marine1Xoke:  after doing crtl z then bg i ran ps -A and i found it :29786 pts/0    00:00:04 firefox-3.521:50
Xokecan either kill it by process number or killall firefox-3.521:51
marine1Xoke:  ok gone I stll can't launch thru applications, the permission porblem.21:52
Xokevery odd21:52
XokeI'm afraid that I have to go though.  I'm done at work for the day and need to get home21:53
marine1good enough thanks try and sort it out21:53
XokeI'll try to get on later and try to help more21:53
Xokelaters all21:54
marine1Xoke:  thanks21:54

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