[00:11] <Cogito1729> pedro3005 - it worked. Reinstalled with ext3 and was then able to boot properly.
[00:11] <pedro3005> Cogito1729, \o/
[00:11] <Cogito1729> Pedro3005 - Yay!
[00:12] <pedro3005> Cogito1729, that is good!
[02:34] <nclucid> having trouble with synergy+ - client is laggy, and running as root doesn't help. server is ubuntu karmic, client is widows 7. suggestions?
[02:49] <nclucid> having trouble with synergy+ - client is laggy, and running as root doesn't help. server is ubuntu karmic, client is widows 7. suggestions?
[03:13] <nclucid> anyone know how i can exit a current session of synergys? it doens't show up in system monitor
[04:16] <DonScott> anyone know how to open .bin files ?
[04:16] <seidos> DonScott, have you tried executing the file?
[04:16] <seidos> using ./filename
[04:17] <seidos> you may have to make it executable first
[04:17] <seidos> but before you do that make sure you know what you're doing
[04:17] <DonScott> it's a game called PlaneShift I just downloaded for linux
[04:18] <DonScott> PlaneShift-v0.5.2.1-x86.bin   is the file.
[04:18] <seidos> I assume it is safe
[04:18] <seidos> you can make the bin file executeable then try to execute it
[04:18] <marine1> canthus13: you there bud
[04:19] <marine1> canthus13: wife finished bitching at me so I'm good for now
[04:21] <DonScott> so do i change .bin to .exe and make the file exeutable in the properties ?
[04:21] <talsemgeest> DonScott: You dont have to change the extension, they dont matter in linux to the same extent that they do in windows
[04:22] <talsemgeest> DonScott: Just make it executable in the properties, then try opeining it
[04:22] <DonScott> k
[04:22] <DonScott> well....it says it's a file of an unknown type still.
[04:24] <talsemgeest> DonScott: Ok, open a terminal, cd into the directory (EG cd /home/username/Desktop)
[04:24] <talsemgeest> DonScott: Then run chmod +x PlaneShift-v0.5.2.1-x86.bin
[04:24] <talsemgeest> DonScott: Then ./PlaneShift-v0.5.2.1-x86.bin
[04:29] <marine1> after updating my ppa list the update specificy that it couldn't detect distribution???
[04:30] <marine1> i updated the key but it's not in my sources list could that be a problem??
[04:32] <marine1> i stand corrected it is there as ubuntu mozilla ppa team
[04:32] <marine1> the problem is it's not detecting the distribution of firefox
[04:33] <ndefontenay> I've lost my wireless icon after the latest update...
[04:36] <DonScott> Ok that worked.... thanks
[04:36] <marine1> any tackers on this
[04:39] <marine1> can't get updates to recognize or detect distribution ???
[04:41] <tenach> Are you building firefox from source, marine1 ?
[04:41] <marine1> tenach: I have completed that portion of it already ff 3.7 alpha 4
[04:43] <tenach> Hm.
[04:43] <tenach> I would have added the ppa and then installed from the ppa.  I think that the issue might be that you built from source instead of downloading from the mozilla ppa
[04:43] <tenach> Unless they say to do that.  I am going to go check.
[04:43] <marine1> tenach: followed all of the instruction from PPA but when I update the old firefox versions appear for updates but then it states that it couldn't recognize or detect version
[04:44] <tenach> The ppa does not seem to contain 3.7
[04:45] <marine1> tenach: here iss the link: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-daily/+archive/ppa
[04:45] <tenach> Ahh, okay
[04:45] <tenach> I was looking at their other team.
[04:46] <tenach> Have you tried removing firefox and then installing it from the ppa?
[04:47] <marine1> tenach: maybe no new updates are ready from the ppa source. The only distribing thing is that it couldn't detect version
[04:47] <marine1> tenach: disturbing
[04:47] <marine1> tenach: remove the older version???
[04:48] <tenach> Yes.
[04:48] <tenach> You do not want to build it from source if you are going to be using a ppa
[04:49] <tenach> You will want to add the repository, then install Firefox-3.7 from apt or Synaptic.
[04:50] <marine1> tenach: oh I see let me see if it's in synaptic
[04:52] <steelsteve> ok, question here
[04:52] <steelsteve> I use an ipod, but recently it hasn't been able to be accesed by my compueter
[04:52] <steelsteve>  I don't use itunes (now) but I used rythembox
[04:52] <steelsteve>  it seems I have run out of 'activations', or whatever the term is, for my ipod, is there a way around it?
[04:52] <marine1> tenach: i don't see it in there
[04:52] <tenach> marine1, run sudo apt-get update in a Terminal
[04:53] <tenach> to update your package list
[04:53] <marine1> tenach: I have done that already
[04:53] <tenach> Hm.
[04:53] <tenach> Does the ppa give you errors when it tries to update?
[04:53] <steelsteve>  ok, question here
[04:53] <steelsteve> I use an ipod, but recently it hasn't been able to be accesed by my compueter
[04:53] <steelsteve>  I don't use itunes (now) but I used rythembox it seems I have run out of 'activations', or whatever the term is, for my ipod, is there a way around it?
[04:54] <steelsteve> oppd
[04:54] <marine1> tenach: it did before but not anymore i wnet back to the ppa site and did everything over again and it updated correctly this time.
[04:54] <marine1> tenach: went
[04:55] <steelsteve> ok, can someone help me? (anyone anyone?)
[04:56] <marine1> tenach: it's there now
[04:56] <tenach> Sorry steelsteve, I do not know what I can do to help.  I do not have an ipod
[04:56] <tenach> marine1, cool
[04:56] <steelsteve> thanks anyways tenach
[04:57] <tenach> If you are willing to wait I am sure someone here will be able to help :D
[04:57] <marine1> tenach: so what should I do with the older version of firefox? delete them thru synaptic
[04:57] <tenach> steelsteve, have you looked through the forum?
[04:57] <tenach> marine1, I would delete it to be safe, so that there are no potential conflicts.
[04:58] <steelsteve> I don't know the term for the 'activations' so I can't do an effective search
[04:58] <marine1> tenach: thru synaptic or nautilus
[04:58] <tenach> marine1, through synaptic
[04:59] <marine1> tenach: fine on that but what about the version I have installed thru sources 3.7 how do i delete that???
[05:00] <tenach> If they are the same, I think that the ppa would install over the one from source.  I would say wait and see if it causes problems when you update to the next version of Firefox fro mthe ppa
[05:00] <tenach> steelsteve, itunes activations ran out?
[05:00] <steelsteve> yeah
[05:00] <steelsteve> but not itunes
[05:00] <steelsteve> it craped out on rythembox
[05:01] <tenach> Hm.
[05:02] <nclucid> having trouble with synergy lagging on client. karmic server, windows 7 client. tried running as root, but that didn't help. any suggestions?
[05:09] <steelsteve>  ok, question here
[05:09] <steelsteve> I use an ipod, but recently it hasn't been able to be accessed by my computer
[05:09] <steelsteve> I don't use itunes (now) but I used rythembox
[05:09] <steelsteve> it seems I have run out of 'activations', or whatever the term is, for my ipod, is there a way around it?
[05:09] <steelsteve> just because maybe someone else is looking
[05:15] <seidos> steelsteve, I have an ipod and I don't have the foggiest idea what you mean by "activations"
[05:16] <seidos> of course it doesn't work to synchronize songs...I have a 5th gen Ipod 80GB
[05:16] <steelsteve> yeah, it's in itunes, they say you only have a limited number of allowances for each ipod
[05:16] <steelsteve> though it might just be the account
[05:16] <steelsteve> anyways, it's a first gen ipod nano
[05:21] <seidos> haven't seen that problem
[05:21] <steelsteve> hum
[05:21] <steelsteve> well it's not allowing me to access the ipod anyways
[05:21] <steelsteve> need to fgure it out
[05:30] <marine1> tenach: how do i make sure all of my dependencies are loaded because alot of the web pages are going black and not loading properly
[05:33] <marine1> ok now this firefox 3.7 alpha build keeps hanging up and goes black and doesn't finish loading????
[05:35] <tenach> marine1, sometimes the daily builds don't work
[05:35] <marine1> tenach: alright can i go back to my previous version
[05:36] <marine1> tenach: thru synaptic
[05:38] <tenach> marine1, with the daily I don't really know.
[05:38] <marine1> tenach: should java be loaded
[05:39] <tenach> marine1, only if you are trying to access pages with java in them.
[05:39] <marine1> tenach: then that won't be the problem with this version not loading and turning black
[05:42] <tenach> Hm.
[05:43] <marine1> tenach: the source build worked better than the ppa version now i'm stuck with this one
[05:43] <tenach> Uninstall the ppa version and rebuild from source, maybe?
[05:43] <tenach> I do not know an easier way to go about that.
[05:45] <marine1> tenach: wow this sucks because I followed your direction and deleted the source code and this version freezes every time I open ti
[05:45] <marine1> tenach: I can't get source without the internet
[05:46] <tenach> marine1, you can still obtain the source through the terminal with wget
[05:47] <tenach> are you using 32bit or 64bit Ubuntu?
[05:47] <tenach> wget http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/firefox-3.7a4pre.en-US.linux-i686.tar.bz2
[05:47] <tenach> This is for 32bit firefox
[05:49] <marine1> tenach: 9.04 64 bit
[05:49] <tenach> okay
[05:49] <tenach> then you can enter wget http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/firefox-3.7a4pre.en-US.linux-x86_64.tar.bz2 in a terminal
[05:50] <tenach> and it will download the source into the directory you're currently in.
[05:54] <marine1> tenach: ok done now what
[05:55] <marine1> tenach: it's in my home folder
[05:55] <tenach> bunzip it and then compile from source like you did before.
[06:01] <tenach> Hello ZachK_
[06:04] <steelsteve> Error opening file '/media/STEVE/iPod_Control/Music/F10/04 - My Funny Valentine.mp3': Permission denied
[06:04] <steelsteve> this is what's happeneing when I try to update my ipod with new music
[06:05] <steelsteve> does anyone know of something to help me?
[06:47] <noob-skiddie> Um...  Hello...
[06:50] <noob-skiddie> :-(
[06:55] <tenach> Hello noob-skiddie
[07:07] <noob-skiddie> Hello tenach...
[07:07] <noob-skiddie> How are you?
[07:08] <tenach> I am doing pretty grand, yourself?
[07:08] <noob-skiddie> I'm sorry for the late response, as well - been to shower.  :(
[07:08] <noob-skiddie> Awesome, nice to know you are doing well.
[07:08] <tenach> Hey, no problem.  IRC is great for allowing delayed conversations.
[07:09] <noob-skiddie> And I feel pretty so-so...  comme ci comme ça...
[07:11] <tenach> it's better than not feeling good at all, :)
[07:12] <noob-skiddie> lol, indeed.  :)
[07:20] <tenach> Do you hang out around here often noob-skiddie ?
[07:21] <noob-skiddie> No...  This is my first time here.  =/
[07:21] <noob-skiddie> I had Ubuntu for only 3 months.
[07:21] <noob-skiddie> ... and I'm learning how to use my IRC client right now.
[07:21] <tenach> Oh, cool.  Welcome to irc then
[07:21] <noob-skiddie> Switching to Linux from Windows is hard.  :(
[07:22] <tenach> Only for a little while, noob-skiddie
[07:22] <noob-skiddie> Thanks...
[07:22] <noob-skiddie> I hope so too.  *crosses finger*
[07:22] <tenach> If you need help, don't be afraid to search the forum/ask questions there as well as here.
[07:22] <noob-skiddie> Simply learning how to use the editor (vim) is hard enough.  :(
[07:23] <tenach> Hahah. I don't use vim.
[07:23] <tenach> I use nano for command line and gedit for graphical.
[07:23] <tenach> vim is ridiculously hard, but pretty powerful
[07:24] <noob-skiddie> My school teacher pushes me to use either vim or emacs.  I want to try both and see how each feels.
[07:24] <noob-skiddie> Needless to say, both editors are ridiculously difficult to learn.
[07:24] <MadameTock> Ooh.
[07:25] <tenach> Hello MadameTock
[07:25] <tenach> Yes they are.
[07:25] <noob-skiddie> Hello MadameTock.
[07:26] <tenach> I have never found the need to use one of those editors, nano does me just fine.
[07:26] <tenach> I'll probably dabble with them sometime just to see what I'm missing.
[07:27] <noob-skiddie> I tried to use nano for a while...  until my teacher threw me a program with two 3000-line files to edit.
[07:27] <MadameTock> 'Lo, noob-skiddie, tenach
[07:28] <noob-skiddie> I was banging my head until I discover how to fold code in vim.
[07:28] <tenach> That already sounds like a useful addition that nano doesn't do (to my knowledge)
[07:33] <noob-skiddie> Yeah...  Every time I tried to use it, I always found something new.
[08:37] <tenach> Generally when coding I use something else like gedit or geany.
[08:37] <tenach> Since command line, in nano, coding sucks. xD
[10:14] <st4aluck> My laptop freezes when I switch from AC to battery. On 8.04  I have no problems with it. Can sombody help me please!!!!
[10:27] <leoquant> st4aluck A TOSHIBA?
[10:28] <leoquant> st4aluck i had a tosh with a similar problem i had to buy a new battery and everthing was fine
[10:29] <leoquant> st4aluck do you have the same problems in/with a live session, via a live cd?
[10:30] <st4aluck> leoquant: no, it's not like that, I've just tested it on live 8.04 and it works but with live Knoppix which has the same kernel as 10.04 doesn't
[10:30] <leoquant> so we got a random problem
[10:31] <leoquant> i did read the thread yesterday, i presume/ assume it is the same problem?
[10:32] <leoquant> you did start a thread on ubuntuforums/
[10:33] <st4aluck> leoquant: are talking with me!?!
[10:33] <leoquant> yes who else is talking?
[10:33] <st4aluck> :)))
[10:33] <st4aluck> sorry, can you show me the tread please?
[10:34] <leoquant> could you give me a linkage to your forum thread st4aluck?
[10:34] <leoquant> heh you did not start a thread on ubuntuforums? why not?
[10:34] <leoquant> subforums laptops/hardware
[10:39] <leoquant> it is really the best idea to deal with this problem st4aluck
[10:39] <st4aluck> leoquant: I have to open a threa!?!!??
[10:44] <leoquant> i read the irc logs and were adviced to do so.
[10:44] <leoquant> you
[10:45] <leoquant> st4aluck do you find it a bad idea to open a thread on ubuntuforums?
[10:46] <st4aluck> leoquant: no but where exactly
[10:46] <leoquant> Hardware & Laptops: http://ubuntuforums.org/
[10:47] <st4aluck> leoquant: there is one here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/481312
[10:48] <st4aluck> leoquant: but not like mine
[10:51] <leoquant> describe your problem with care on ubuntuforums, the best advice i can give you st4aluck, as other did yesterday
[10:59] <st4aluck> leoquant: What title is good for the thread
[11:00] <st4aluck> leoquant: I am going to post new thread on Hardware&Laptops
[11:02] <leoquant> My laptop freezes when I switch from AC to battery.
[11:03] <leoquant> explain you'r battery is fine, etc
[11:04] <leoquant> give your hardware specs
[11:14] <st4aluck> leoquant: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9039341#post9039341
[11:19] <Akos> hi team
[11:19] <Akos> what's the command that helps me find what ips are assigned to a serveR?
[11:24] <leoquant> st4aluck welldone :)
[11:24] <leoquant> hi Akos, i am not into servers sorry...
[11:24] <st4aluck> leoquant: 10x I'am looking forwards
[11:25] <Akos> ):
[11:26] <leoquant> st4aluck with no luck, please join us somewhat later on IRC to evaluate the thread and your problem, there are more people around than, ok?
[11:27] <st4aluck> leoquant: i'll do, thanks
[11:27] <leoquant> :)
[11:29] <nigelb> Akos, catch bodhi when you can.  he's the expert  at servers
[11:30] <Akos> nigelb: thx, i'll try (:
[14:49] <lukjad86> Hai ducky
[14:49] <ducky> hi
[14:50] <pedro3005> hi
[14:51] <lukjad86> Hi kwjr
[14:51] <kwjr> :) howdy
[15:00] <marine1> ok have to compile from source the ppa version of ff 3.7 continually freezes
[15:11] <marine1> plugins are not enabled in ff what is the command for that
[15:11] <marine1> loading blank page can't find server
[15:11] <marine1> about:plugins reveal nothing loaded
[15:13] <marine1> alright any takers on this
[15:16] <marine1> need command for plugins
[15:27] <lukjad86> marine1 Have you installed any plugins?
[15:27] <marine1> lukjad86: i followed the command line instruction to load them.
[15:28] <lukjad86> Hm, I'm not too sure on the 3.7, I haven't upgraded to that.
[15:28] <lukjad86> marine1 You might want to ask in #firefox
[15:29] <marine1> lukjad86: basically the ppa code for ff 3.7 keeps crashing page turns black and doesn't load I have to force quit the program.
[15:38] <marine1> lukjad86: let me try that
[15:41] <lukjad86> marine1 Just so you know, it may take a while for them to get back to you, but they should in time
[15:42] <marine1> lukjad86: should I erase all instances of ff from my machine and start over from source
[15:42] <lukjad86> marine1 I usually prefer to try and fix what you have before erasing
[15:43] <lukjad86> One idea that may or may not work could be to rename your .mozilla folder to something like .mozilla.old and try opening firefox again, it could be a configuration error. Try and re-set it up and see if it works
[15:43] <marine1> lukjad86: that's what I tried to do and now look at this mess, basically 3.7 freezes and the other doesn't load. Running epiphany now just to use web
[15:44] <lukjad86> Hm.
[15:44] <lukjad86> I guess then it just would be a good time to cut your losses and reinstall
[15:45] <marine1> lukjad86: i have d/l the source code again would that override the ppa version or do I need to take it down???
[15:46] <lukjad86> marine1 I have never tried it, but I think that the ppa should be uninstalled first, since it can get confusing to have all these different firefox versions installed
[15:46] <lukjad86> They also can conflict with one another if they each use the same folder naming structure
[15:47] <lukjad86> s/can/could
[15:47] <marine1> lukjad86: alright then that is what I was thinking. I should have left well enough alone with 3.5.8 but like everyone else needed the latest and greatest.
[15:48] <lukjad86> marine1 I'm planning on trying that out too... I may reconsider :)
[15:48] <lukjad86> heh
[15:48] <lukjad86> marine1 there is someone I know who installed it successfully
[15:48] <marine1> lukjad86: do you know how to compile from source??
[15:49] <marine1> lukjad86: basically a bz2 file
[15:49] <lukjad86> marine1 bodhi_zazen gave me a guide a while back... I'll see if I can find it for you
[15:49] <lukjad86> marine1 He should be online one of these days
[15:49] <lukjad86> marine1 He may be able to help
[15:49] <marine1> lukjad86: he has helped me b4
[15:49] <lukjad86> Ah
[15:49] <lukjad86> marine1 He probably would be the one to ask
[15:49] <marine1> lukjad86: so your is naswer is no???
[15:50] <marine1> answer
[15:50] <lukjad86> marine1 I can get around it, but I would hesitate to try and show you how since I haven't compiled ff in a while and don't really remember what I did last time
[15:50] <marine1> lukjad86: good enough
[15:51] <marine1> lukjad86: let me know when you find the file
[15:51] <lukjad86> Sure.
[15:51] <lukjad86> ftp://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/
[15:51] <lukjad86> http://blog.bodhizazen.net/linux/icecat-64-bit-how-to-compile/
[15:51] <lukjad86> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/installing+Firefox+on+Linux
[15:51] <lukjad86> http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/firefox/system-requirements.html
[15:51] <lukjad86> marine1 ^
[15:52] <marine1> lukjad86: let me look now
[15:52] <lukjad86> k
[16:01] <marine1> lukjad86: are you running icecat??
[16:01] <lukjad86> marine1 No, but I'm planning on testing it out
[17:07] <dude1> Anyone for some assistance with configuring grub to boot PC-BSD?
[17:35] <paultag> Hellow, HAPPY BIRTHDAY
[18:24] <nclucid> having lag issues running synergy+ over wireless (i don't have the option to hardwire). is there anything i can do to reduce the lag? router settings, etc.
[18:24] <Xoke> over wireless?  Encrypted?
[18:26] <nclucid> WPA2
[18:27] <Xoke> I'm running synergy here at work although it is over wired connections
[18:27] <Xoke> don't have any problems so I'm just guessing it could be the encryption
[18:27] <Xoke> of course turning it off would be bad
[18:27] <nclucid> and wep is weak
[18:28] <nclucid> (not sure if it's even faster or not)
[18:28] <Xoke> I thought WPA2 also had it's flaws depending on how you set it up
[18:29] <nclucid> yeah i've heard the same
[18:29] <Xoke> I believe if you have a pre shared key you need to have er.. I think a 15 minute time before the key changes to be safe
[18:29] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: i made a wrong decision and decided to use the ppa over the source code for the ff 3.7 build. After it was installed and working properly now the ppa version keeps freezing and the web pages don't load. I have to force quit.
[18:29] <Xoke> not that this helps your synergy problem
[18:30] <Xoke> out of interest, if you ping one machine from the other how long does it take?
[18:31] <nclucid> 5ms
[18:32] <Xoke> i.e. nothing
[18:33] <Xoke> I know it would be a pain, but if you DID remove encryption (for a minute) and tried it again it would prove it that was causing the lag
[18:33] <Xoke> if it's still laggy then it could just be as it's wireless
[18:34] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: subsequent to this I removed all versions of ff from my p.c.not have any discrepancies when loading it. I thought with some help that the ppa source would be a more stable choice and less headache in the future. Boy was I wrong i have re downloaded the bz2 file. It is safer to use the 3.5.8 version rather than the 3.7 alpha 4???
[18:34] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: what about icecat 64 bit???
[18:35] <tenach> marine1, it is much more stable to use firefox that is in the repository or from their website, not an alpha build.
[18:35] <nclucid> is there a way i could run synergy hard-wired through a phone cable?
[18:35] <nclucid> my old school box doesn't have an ethernet port is my problem
[18:35] <Xoke> nclucid, hmm... probably, but I'm thinking it would be a pain in the butt to do
[18:36] <Xoke> if you have TCP/IP set up so it has an IP address then you should be able to do it over any physical line
[18:36] <Xoke> the problem would be setting that up, and if it was over a modem it would be slow
[18:37] <nclucid> Xoke: how could i do it without a modem?
[18:37] <marine1> tenach: I hear you bro and that is what I did, over the trunk build and this version doesn't work properly the page freezes and turns black. I should have left well enough alone and stuck with 3.5.8.
[18:38] <marine1> tenach: but like everyone else you got to have the latest and greatest
[18:38] <tenach> I agree for the most part.  There are things like web browsers that I don't mind not running the latest and greatest.
[18:39] <Xoke> nclucid, that is getting a little above me.  IF you can get TCP/IP set up over the line then it should (in theory) work fine.
[18:40] <marine1> tenach: so start from scartch and get the stable ppa build(64bit) version
[18:40] <tenach> I think that would be the safest.
[18:40] <marine1> tenach: i have saved all of my bookmarks and settings so i can always import them again
[18:40] <tenach> That's good.
[18:40] <tenach> I always forget to do that.
[18:41] <tenach> I have no bookmarks right now. :
[18:41] <marine1> tenach: so go thru the synaptic package manager
[18:41] <nclucid> Xoke: thanks for the help - at least something else i can try now!
[18:41] <Xoke> nclucid, no probs, sorry I couldn't really give a better answer though
[18:41] <marine1> tenach: do you know the web page for the stable builds?? I'm use epiphany right now since ff is now working at all
[18:42] <Xoke> marine1, you installed from PPA and borked it?  Is that the short version?  Why not remove and add it back from the official (ubuntu) repos?
[18:42] <Xoke> I had a similar problem with thunderbird messing things up (3.1)
[18:44] <marine1> Xoke: LOL borked it?? I originally complied it with bodhi_zazen then went thru ppa thinking that would be safer and less of a headache in the future and it borked!!!
[18:45] <Xoke> daily build ppa?
[18:45] <marine1> Xoke: i ahve removed all ff versions from my p.c. That's correct daily ppa
[18:45] <marine1> Xoke: have
[18:46] <marine1> Xoke: the 3.7 ppa versions does not work properly the trunk version did(source)
[18:47] <Xoke> IIRC there was a stable build ppa
[18:48] <Xoke> but as they are firefox-3.6, 3.7 and so on you should just be able to apt-get install firefox (or mozilla-firefox or whatever the package name is) to go to the Ubuntu version, albeit the older one
[18:52] <ZachK_> Xoke: Your command eas almost right! It's sudo apt-get install Mozilla-firefox
[18:54] <Xoke> well I wasn't going for perfection lol.  Plus I never remember it as I have it aliased :P
[18:54] <Xoke> ins -> sudo apt-get install
[18:54] <Xoke> upd -> update then upgrade then auto-remove :)
[18:54] <ZachK_> Yup....
[18:54]  * ZachK_ gives Xoke the Daily Grand Prix
[18:54] <Xoke> lol
[18:54] <ZachK_> *Prize
[18:54] <marine1> Xoke: Thru the command line and it says that firefox 3 is already installed but it doesn't appear or launch when i try to launch it from the terminal it says that fire needs to be installed.
[18:55] <Xoke> marine1, odd.  Try reinstalling it?
[18:55] <marine1> Xoke: : Couldn't find package Mozilla-firefox
[18:55] <Xoke> ZachK_, I even stuck the alias commands on my website so I don't have to remember THAT!  How lazy am I :P
[18:56] <ZachK_> Xoke: Not lazy...just forgetful
[18:56] <Xoke> actually I have the package as 'firefox' only, no mozilla
[18:57] <marine1> Xoke: : Couldn't find package Mozilla-firefox, let me try sudo apt-get install firefox
[18:57] <Xoke> ZachK_, so how many aliases do you have set up? :P
[18:57] <marine1> Xoke: firefox is already the newest version.
[18:57] <marine1> firefox set to manually installed.
[18:57] <ZachK_> Xoke: Wha?
[18:58] <Xoke> marine1, manually installed?  Did you grab a deb file from somewhere?
[18:58] <marine1> Xoke: manually install from synaptic
[18:58] <marine1> Xoke: i ahve a bz2 file on my desktop but that is it all references of ff have been removed from my system
[18:59] <ZachK_> Welcome back st4aluck
[18:59] <Xoke> marine1, odd.  Try to reinstall it (er.. apt-get reinstall is it?)
[18:59] <marine1> Xoke: sudo apt-get reinstall firefox is that right???
[19:00] <Xoke> marine1, just trying to double check lol, hold on
[19:00] <Xoke> unless someone else here remembers the command :P
[19:01] <marine1> bodhi_zazen: I think that is your cue??? Lol
[19:01] <Xoke> nope it's not reinstall
[19:01] <Xoke> you can do that through synaptec, there is a reinstall option
[19:01] <marine1> Xoke: on firefox 3.0?? let me try that
[19:01] <Xoke> not sure of the command line equivalent, but you can sudo apt-get remove firefox to remove it
[19:03] <marine1> Xoke: ok it has been removed now let me head on over to synaptic... How do I mkae syre that it'sa 64bit version
[19:03] <Xoke> er... I thoguht it did that based off of your OS version
[19:03] <Xoke> if 64 bit you only got the 64 bit repos
[19:04] <Xoke> other versions tend not to install anyway as they complain about the wrong architecture
[19:04] <marine1> Xoke: that sounds correct but i didn't think that mozilla builds 64 bit versions only 32 bit
[19:04] <Xoke> which you CAN force past but it's a pain and not something you can do accidentally
[19:04] <Xoke> I have 32 bit here so I can't check for you
[19:05] <Xoke> it should have something listed if you go into synaptec and read about the package
[19:05] <marine1> Xoke: alright let me try, start with 3.0 or go straight to 3.5, 3.6 ??? then upgrade
[19:06] <Xoke> well that is the question lol.  How cutting edge do you want to be?
[19:06] <Xoke> and you may end up getting the borked version again!
[19:06] <Xoke> did that myself a few times lol
[19:07] <Xoke> I'd probably go 3.5 or 3.6 if it was my machine
[19:07] <marine1> Xoke: LOl let me see if there is a 3.5 or 3.6 safe version here not the dummy version as it is called
[19:08] <Xoke> think 3.6 is good, IIRC
[19:08] <Xoke> I have 3.6.2 pre here and it's stable on mine
[19:09] <marine1> Xoke: now just checked all versions loaded the only one with the ubuntu symbol is the 3.0 version the other ones are in there but not with symbol
[19:10] <Xoke> that means they are not in the 'official' comes with karmic version I believe
[19:11] <marine1> Xoke: alright let me try 3.6 for ubuntu 9.04 and see what happens :>
[19:11] <Xoke> ok
[19:13] <marine1> Xoke: the 3.6.2 did you get that from the package manager
[19:14] <Xoke> daily build ppa, but through apt yes
[19:14] <marine1> Xoke: that means I have to add it because it only shows 3.5
[19:14] <Xoke> ahhh, well you don't have to :P
[19:15] <marine1> Xoke:  Just as a side note should i install 3.0 just to have the basics or is it necessary??
[19:15] <Xoke> nope, only one package is required
[19:18] <marine1> Xoke: ok it ran and finished d/l but I don't see it. and just typed in terminal firefox and it says not installed.
[19:18] <marine1> Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~$ firefox 3.5
[19:18] <marine1> The program 'firefox' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[19:18] <marine1> sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[19:18] <marine1> bash: firefox: command not found
[19:19] <Xoke> just 'firefox' to start it
[19:19] <marine1> Xoke:  same thing: robert@robert-desktop:~$ firefox
[19:19] <marine1> The program 'firefox' is currently not installed.  You can install it by typing:
[19:19] <marine1> sudo apt-get install firefox-3.0
[19:19] <marine1> bash: firefox: command not found
[19:20] <Xoke> type in 'fire' then hit tab (maybe twice) to see the autocomplete
[19:20] <marine1> Xoke: firefox-3.0     firefox-3.5     firefox.ubuntu
[19:21] <Xoke> OK, go firefox-3.5 then
[19:21] <Xoke> odd though as mine is just firefox
[19:21] <Xoke> but I play around way to much with repos lol
[19:23] <marine1> Xoke: ok it launch but it saying this in the terminal::obert@robert-desktop:~$ firefox-3.5
[19:23] <marine1> *NOTICE* No previous firefox-3.5 profile found, we'll initialize a profile using a copy of your existing 'firefox' profile.
[19:23] <marine1> Transfering... done.
[19:23] <marine1> Gtk-Message: Failed to load module "canberra-gtk-module": /usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libcanberra-gtk-module.so: wrong ELF class: ELFCLASS64
[19:23] <marine1> Xoke: when I closed my terminal the window for ff closed with it
[19:24] <Xoke> yeah you have to be careful when running stuff from a terminal
[19:25] <marine1> Xoke: ok so let me try and create a launcher for this it's in my /usr/lib folder
[19:25] <Xoke> basically you run something and you need to do a ctrl+z to pause it and give you the command line back then do 'bg' to send it to the background
[19:26] <Xoke> I like to do that to debug stuff though
[19:26] <marine1> Xoke: that's new to me!!
[19:26] <Xoke> it's a command line thing, you can google for more info about it
[19:26] <Xoke> but I'm glad you learnt something :)
[19:27] <marine1> Xoke:  what's the correct command for the launcher /usr/lib/fireox 3.5.8 %u
[19:27] <Xoke> I tend to skip the %u stuff at the end
[19:28] <Xoke> basically if you call it via %u that is passing any parameters in, so if you wanted to load a specific page up you can use that
[19:28] <Xoke> but as I just click to run it, I don't bother
[19:28] <marine1> Xoke:  so just list the absolute path
[19:29] <Xoke> just firefox should work
[19:29] <Xoke> but absolute path is always best
[19:29] <marine1> Xoke: /usr/lib/firefox 3.5.8/firefox
[19:31] <marine1> Xoke: could this be wrong path??? Failed to execute child process "/usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8" (Permission denied)
[19:31] <Xoke> what if you change the launcher to just say 'firefox' (or make a new one).  Does that work?
[19:32] <marine1> Xoke:  let me try when building from package manager it also included 3.0 so i want to make sure it doesn't use that
[19:33] <Xoke> well you can do help->about to find the version
[19:33] <marine1> Xoke: still didn't launch same error
[19:34] <marine1> Xoke: command is about firefox version
[19:34] <Xoke> ok, if you look at the /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8 directory what are the permissions
[19:35] <marine1> Xoke: root for the actual firefox
[19:37] <marine1> Xoke: log
[19:37] <marine1> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 93080 2010-02-14 21:09 firefox-3.5
[19:37] <Xoke> then that is why the permissions problem
[19:37] <Xoke> hold on, got to sort something out
[19:37] <marine1> Xoke:  chmod 644 maybe not sure
[19:39] <marine1> Xoke: log
[19:39] <marine1> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 93080 2010-02-14 21:09 firefox-3.5
[19:39] <marine1> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root   460 2010-02-14 21:07 firefox-3.5-restart-required.update-notifier
[20:11] <marine1> Xoke: you back yet
[20:19] <hcs7dap> looking for some help with puppy...
[20:20] <Xoke> yes, sorry major emergency at work
[20:20] <Xoke> well it wasn't, but someone thought it was :P
[20:20] <Xoke> ok so where were we.... permissions
[20:25] <Xoke> marine1, I have a /usr/bin/firefox which is a link to /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.2pre
[20:25] <Xoke> specifically to /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.2pre/firefox.sh
[20:25] <Xoke> it is 777 on permissions
[20:26] <marine1> Xoke: ok so what exactly do I type in chmod 777 /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8
[20:27] <marine1> Xoke: this is control z output
[20:27] <marine1> Xoke: ^Z
[20:27] <marine1> [1]+  Stopped                 firefox-3.5
[20:27] <Xoke> yes
[20:28] <Xoke> that means it's still there but it's stopped (not quit though)
[20:28] <marine1> Xoke: but if I close the terminal it still closes out ff
[20:28] <Xoke> if you type 'bg' it will continue it, but in the background
[20:28] <Xoke> THEN you should be able to close the terminal
[20:28] <marine1> Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~$ bg
[20:28] <marine1> [1]+ firefox-3.5 &
[20:29] <Xoke> interestingly enough, you can do a similar thing by just running 'firefox-3.5 &' which sends it to run in the background
[20:29] <marine1> Xoke:  it still closed out ff after the command
[20:29] <Xoke> hmm.. let me try
[20:31] <Xoke> odd, that doesn't close firefox when I run it
[20:31] <Xoke> but then again we know I have something set up different on mine
[20:32] <marine1> Xoke: it's ok I just tried ctrl z plus bg then I typed in firefox-3.5 which launched another session but when I exited out of the terminal everything closed out
[20:32] <Xoke> I did 'firefox' then 'ctrl+z' then 'bg' then closed the terminal and firefox remained
[20:32] <marine1> how do I change the permission chmod 777 /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8 ???
[20:33] <Xoke> well hold on, trying to see how I have mine set up
[20:33] <Xoke> as my /usr/bin/firefox points to /usr/lib/firefox-3.6.2pre/firefox.sh
[20:34] <Xoke> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root root     4574 2010-03-02 21:25 firefox.sh
[20:34] <Xoke> that is what my /usr/lib/firefoxXXX is set up as
[20:34] <marine1> Xoke:  so what path the one i typed
[20:35] <Xoke> I have 3.6.2pre on my system hence that directory.  You presuambly have a /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8 directory?
[20:35] <Xoke> which has a firefox.sh file in there?
[20:35] <marine1> Xoke: correct
[20:35] <Xoke> which is the one that I launch firefox with
[20:36] <marine1> Xoke: right the problem is the permission\
[20:36] <Xoke> what happens if you run that file?  so run /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8/mozilla.sh
[20:36] <Xoke> well if you have r-xr-xr-x then no - it is runnable by 'the world'
[20:37] <marine1> Xoke: it says no file or directory
[20:37] <Xoke> shoot, sorry firefox.sh at the end
[20:38] <marine1> Xoke: -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  5052 2010-02-14 21:08 firefox.sh
[20:38] <Xoke> whch is what we want - everyone can run but only root can update it :)
[20:39] <marine1> Xoke: so let me run the above command
[20:40] <marine1> Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~$ /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8/firefox.sh
[20:40] <marine1> *NOTICE* No previous firefox.sh profile found, we'll initialize a profile using a copy of your existing 'firefox' profile.
[20:41] <marine1> Xoke: nothing is happening with the terminal  it says transfering... done
[20:41] <Xoke> odd
[20:42] <marine1> Xoke: now in the folder there is a sh file
[20:43] <Xoke> which sh file?
[20:44] <marine1> Xoke: firefoxsh
[20:44] <Xoke> it wasn't there before?
[20:45] <marine1> Xoke:  Yes it always been there
[20:45] <Xoke> good, was wondering how we ran a file that didn't exist :P
[20:46] <marine1> Xoke: should I try to chmod 777 /usr/bin/firefox
[20:46] <Xoke> so having looked in my firefox.sh script it grabs a profile from your home directory to start, if it can
[20:46] <Xoke> no, we don't want anyone to be able to write to it without root priveleges
[20:47] <Xoke> ok so can you do a 'ls ~/.mozilla/firefox' for me - see if we have anything there
[20:48] <marine1> Xoke: Crash Reports  girl8lri.default  profiles.ini
[20:48] <Xoke> cat ~/.mozilla/firefox/profiles.ini
[20:49] <Xoke> that should mention the girl8 directory
[20:49] <marine1> Xoke: [General]
[20:49] <marine1> StartWithLastProfile=1
[20:49] <marine1> [Profile0]
[20:49] <marine1> Name=default
[20:49] <marine1> IsRelative=1
[20:49] <marine1> Path=girl8lri.default
[20:49] <Xoke> ok good, so it's pointing to the profile
[20:50] <Xoke> it should be working
[20:50] <Xoke> you have firefox there, it has a profile so there isn't any reason it should be copying stuff over
[20:50] <marine1> Xoke: i think that girlb was a pre 3.6.2 namora that I tried to install earlier but it wasn't compbatable
[20:51] <Xoke> well for a laugh rename the profiles.ini file to profiles.old or something
[20:51] <marine1> Xoke: combatable
[20:51] <Xoke> it should recreate a profile - although you will lose any extensions etc
[20:52] <marine1> Xoke: i'm not sure if that is totally correct just trying to give you as much info as possibleO:-)
[20:52] <Xoke> hey it's worth a shot :)
[20:54] <marine1> Xoke: where is the path for mozilla/firefox/profiles can't find in /usr/lib
[20:54] <Xoke> in your home directory
[20:55] <Xoke> ~/.mozilla/firefox
[20:55] <Xoke> ~ is the same as /home/YOUR_USER_NAME
[20:56] <marine1> Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~/.mozilla/firefox$ ls -l
[20:56] <marine1> total 12
[20:56] <marine1> drwx------  2 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 09:57 Crash Reports
[20:56] <marine1> drwx------ 10 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 10:10 girl8lri.default
[20:56] <marine1> -rw-r--r--  1 robert robert   94 2010-01-31 12:16 profiles.ini
[20:57] <Xoke> yep, rename the profiles.ini should force it to make a new one
[20:57] <Xoke> mv profiles.ini profiles.old
[20:57] <marine1> thru gksu nautilus
[20:57] <Xoke> mv = move
[20:57] <Xoke> or nautilus lol
[20:58] <Xoke> plain nautilus would work, don't have to gksu it as it's your file and you don't need root :)
[21:00] <marine1> Xoke:  having trouble finding it in robert(home)
[21:00] <Xoke> oh lol
[21:01] <Xoke> the . at the start of the file or folder means it's a HIDDEN file or folder
[21:01] <Xoke> so make sure you have hidden files being show
[21:01] <Xoke> +n
[21:01] <Xoke> view -> show hidden files or something
[21:01] <Xoke> been a while since I have used nautilus
[21:02] <marine1> Xoke: ok i just expaned the folder to show hidden files one sec
[21:03] <marine1> Xoke:  which folder the firefox.sh ???
[21:03] <Xoke> in /home/robert/.mozilla/firefox
[21:03] <Xoke> rename profiles.ini
[21:04] <Xoke> then when you run firefox again it should create a new profile for you (hopefully)
[21:04] <marine1> ok done renamed it
[21:04] <Xoke> try running /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8/firefox.sh again
[21:04] <Xoke> think that was the file you had
[21:05] <marine1> Xoke: ok typed it in and the cursor is just blinking
[21:05] <marine1> Xoke: nothing launched
[21:06] <Xoke> did it say anything in the terminal?
[21:07] <marine1> Xoke:  no still blinking , Now I just checked the files in the mozilla folder and all of them have a profile.ini in them
[21:07] <Xoke> odd.  It should make a new profile.ini and another directory (with some random name) also, but I thought it would have loaded firerfox also
[21:08] <marine1> Xoke: let clear the terminal and look in the mozilla folder again
[21:12] <marine1> Xoke:  this what it says now :robert@robert-desktop:~/.mozilla/firefox$ ls -l
[21:12] <marine1> total 12
[21:12] <marine1> drwx------  2 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 09:57 Crash Reports
[21:12] <marine1> drwx------ 10 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 10:10 girl8lri.default
[21:12] <marine1> -rw-r--r--  1 robert robert   94 2010-01-31 12:16 profiles.old
[21:15] <Xoke> no new profiles.ini?
[21:16] <marine1> Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~/.mozilla$ ls -l
[21:16] <marine1> total 24
[21:16] <marine1> drwx------ 3 robert robert 4096 2010-01-31 12:16 extensions
[21:16] <marine1> drwx------ 4 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 16:03 firefox
[21:16] <marine1> drwx------ 4 robert robert 4096 2010-03-06 09:27 firefox-3.5
[21:16] <marine1> drwx------ 3 robert robert 4096 2010-01-31 12:16 firefox-3.5.abandoned
[21:16] <marine1> drwx------ 4 robert robert 4096 2010-03-06 09:27 firefox-3.7
[21:16] <marine1> drwx------ 4 robert robert 4096 2010-03-06 09:27 firefox.sh
[21:17] <marine1> Xoke: robert@robert-desktop:~/.mozilla/firefox$ ls -a
[21:17] <marine1> .  ..  Crash Reports  girl8lri.default  profiles.old
[21:18] <marine1> Xoke: i don't see any new profile.ini in the firefox folder
[21:19] <marine1> Xoke: what do you think
[21:20] <marine1> Xoke: should we point to another folder/file maybe 3.5
[21:20] <Xoke> thinking they are using a different directory
[21:21] <marine1> Xoke: is there a command to find out what the link is for example: bin/link
[21:21] <Xoke> e.g. .mozilla/firefox-3.6
[21:21] <Xoke> based on what I read in the firefox.sh it is using the firefox-3.5 directory
[21:23] <marine1> Xoke: here is the file firefox 3.5 :robert@robert-desktop:~/.mozilla/firefox-3.5$ ls -l
[21:23] <marine1> total 12
[21:23] <marine1> drwx------  2 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 09:57 Crash Reports
[21:23] <marine1> drwx------ 10 robert robert 4096 2010-03-28 15:31 girl8lri.default
[21:23] <marine1> -rw-r--r--  1 robert robert   94 2010-01-31 12:16 profiles.ini
[21:24] <Xoke> rename THAT profiles.ini please
[21:25] <marine1> Xoke: we renamed the original one in the firefox folder this one will be in the ff 3.5 folder
[21:25] <marine1> Xoke: profiles.old is that good or something else
[21:26] <Xoke> that is fine :)
[21:27] <marine1> Xoke: should i allow executing of file??? in the permisiion box
[21:27] <AJH101> hello i am trying to update ubuntu but get the following error - any ideas? E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:27] <AJH101> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[21:28] <marine1> Xoke: changed the name
[21:29] <marine1> Xoke:I'm going to run /usr/lib/firefox-3.5.8/firefox.sh agian
[21:33] <marine1> Xoke:  samew results
[21:33] <marine1> same
[21:35] <marine1> Xoke: in the ff 3.5 folder it created another profile.ini file
[21:37] <AJH101> hello i am trying to update ubuntu but get the following error - any ideas? E: Could not get lock /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open (11: Resource temporarily unavailable)
[21:39] <Xoke> AJH101, are you root and do you have another update manager (or apt-get in a terminal) open?
[21:40] <Xoke> marine1, still no launching?
[21:40] <AJH101> Xoke: not that i know of!
[21:41] <AJH101> pidgin mozilla and xchat
[21:42] <AJH101> Xoke: this prob has only recently occured - no idea why
[21:42] <marine1> Xoke: no but the folder that I changed the name, it also added another folder and 1 more file named profile.ini
[21:43] <Xoke> marine1, well we wanted it to do that to make sure it wasn't a profile issue
[21:43] <Xoke> if you do a 'ps -a' does it list firefox as running?
[21:43] <Xoke> AJH101, rebooting would force anything that had it open to close and might fix the problem
[21:43] <Xoke> hopefully it would
[21:44] <marine1> Xoke:  PID TTY          TIME CMD
[21:44] <marine1> 29780 pts/0    00:00:00 ps
[21:45] <marine1> Xoke:  think I should reboot
[21:45] <Xoke> ps -A sorry
[21:45] <Xoke> to show all processes, not just those in the terminal
[21:45] <AJH101> Xoke:  ok will try
[21:46] <marine1> Xoke:  i closed ff before should I open it thru terminal then run ps -A
[21:47] <Xoke> just run ps -A and see if it's running in the background hidden somewhere
[21:47] <Xoke> I've had that, then when you try to open it again it doesn't
[21:49] <marine1> Xoke:  nowhere to be found
[21:50] <Xoke> easy way to check is 'ps -A | grep firefox'
[21:50] <marine1> Xoke:  after doing crtl z then bg i ran ps -A and i found it :29786 pts/0    00:00:04 firefox-3.5
[21:51] <Xoke> can either kill it by process number or killall firefox-3.5
[21:52] <marine1> Xoke:  ok gone I stll can't launch thru applications, the permission porblem.
[21:52] <Xoke> very odd
[21:53] <Xoke> I'm afraid that I have to go though.  I'm done at work for the day and need to get home
[21:53] <marine1> good enough thanks try and sort it out
[21:53] <Xoke> I'll try to get on later and try to help more
[21:54] <Xoke> laters all
[21:54] <marine1> Xoke:  thanks