| DarkwingDuck | Anyone from the doc team going to UDS that we know of? | 04:46 |
|---|---|---|
| j1mc | DarkwingDuck: I went to the last one, as did Milo Casagrande. | 04:47 |
| j1mc | Kyle N. from Canonical was there, too. | 04:47 |
| j1mc | I'm not sure who is planning to go to this one. | 04:47 |
| j1mc | DarkwingDuck: will you go? | 04:47 |
| DarkwingDuck | I was thinking about it but, it being in Brussels I don't think i will have the $$ | 04:48 |
| j1mc | yeah | 04:48 |
| DarkwingDuck | I just moved from California USA to Mississippi USA so, I'm a bit tapped out | 04:49 |
| DarkwingDuck | I really want to go though. | 04:49 |
| j1mc | yeah | 04:49 |
| DarkwingDuck | I missed the one in Dallas and i've been kicking myself for it | 04:50 |
| j1mc | did you apply for sponsorship? | 04:50 |
| DarkwingDuck | No | 04:50 |
| j1mc | yeah... maybe next time apply. :) i don't think a lot of doc-team people apply. | 04:54 |
| j1mc | i know you did a lot of work this cycle... maybe you could go to the next uds. | 04:54 |
| DarkwingDuck | I think I will for 11.04 | 04:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | Kubuntu membership meeting this week | 04:55 |
| DarkwingDuck | waiting to hear back about the commiters team. I love doc work too | 04:55 |
| j1mc | :) | 05:04 |
| j1mc | i'm glad richard johnson requested commit access for you. | 05:04 |
| DarkwingDuck | Richard has been awesome to work with | 05:06 |
| Rocket2DMn | DarkwingDuck, i've been wanting to go to UDS for a long time. I could get sponsorship, but i can't take the time :( | 05:08 |
| DarkwingDuck | Rocket2DMn: I have the vacation days with my job, I'll store up and go for 11.04 | 05:08 |
| Rocket2DMn | I technically could take vacation and go, but i really need to save that time to see family and whatnot | 05:09 |
| DarkwingDuck | yeah, US Navy gives me good time off | 05:09 |
| Rocket2DMn | sounds like you've been doing a great job with the kubuntu-docs, congrats on getting nominated for -committers, i'm sure you'll get it | 05:10 |
| DarkwingDuck | Thanks Rocket2DMn. i'm up for Kubuntu Membership this week too | 05:11 |
| j1mc | :) | 05:12 |
| j1mc | prior to my "i need to take a break," moment, i had booked a spot at a doc conference. shaunm (from gnome) and i went, and demonstrated mallard. | 05:13 |
| j1mc | we got some good feedback on it... not so much technical feedback, but people were pretty receptive to it. | 05:13 |
| Rocket2DMn | DarkwingDuck, i think you'll probably get that, too | 05:14 |
| DarkwingDuck | Last weekend? j1mc? | 05:14 |
| DarkwingDuck | Rocket2DMn: I hope so. I'm a bit nervious | 05:14 |
| Rocket2DMn | j1mc, that's cool, I don't think I would go to any doc conferences though. I don't do documentaiton professionally and it's a pretty narrow focus | 05:14 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: yeah. there are some proprietary-only type topics, but it is spread out enough so that you can avoid that stuff if you want. | 05:15 |
| pleia2 | fwiw, I would be very happy to chat with some doc people there | 05:15 |
| j1mc | plus, there are some xml/xsl nerds there, so it is good to get to talk to those types. | 05:15 |
| DarkwingDuck | Rich was impressed with Mallard... I think Kubuntu is going to merge over at some point | 05:16 |
| Rocket2DMn | I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, I just wouldn't be able to take that kind of time and money. If only there was more time to do the stuff that interested you... | 05:16 |
| Rocket2DMn | oh and hey pleia2 :) | 05:16 |
| DarkwingDuck | Hey pleia2 | 05:16 |
| pleia2 | Rocket2DMn: I went to my first uds in november because of the time thing, but now my boss saw how beneficial it was so he's letting me go more :) | 05:16 |
| pleia2 | err, didn't go to one before that because of time | 05:17 |
| pleia2 | unfortunately I guess I don't see that being the case for your job | 05:17 |
| pleia2 | darn US and our meager vacation time | 05:17 |
| Rocket2DMn | that's great pleia2 ! | 05:17 |
| Rocket2DMn | yeah, wouldn't happen for me... | 05:17 |
| j1mc | shaun mccance has a writeup on the conference: http://blogs.gnome.org/shaunm | 05:17 |
| pleia2 | anyway, I applied for sponsorship so hopefully me (ubuntu-learning) will meet up with benjamin (ubuntu-manual) and I contacted jonathan jesse after some sad posts about the forgotten docs team | 05:18 |
| pleia2 | ben and I at least will get together at uds, hopefully some doc people too (not sure if nixternal is coming) | 05:18 |
| Rocket2DMn | pleia2, jon is in here - jjesse | 05:18 |
| j1mc | me no likey ubuntu manual | 05:18 |
| pleia2 | oh yes, good :) | 05:18 |
| * nixternal isn't coming | 05:18 | |
| pleia2 | j1mc: I know, much bad blood between the teams | 05:18 |
| pleia2 | nixternal: argh, we will never meet! | 05:19 |
| pleia2 | ;) | 05:19 |
| nixternal | sure we will | 05:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | hehe, ahh the ubuntu-manual project... | 05:19 |
| pleia2 | you should visit SF! | 05:19 |
| nixternal | i can do just as much work remotely than being at UDS, and I have been a couple of times, time to let new people go and enjoy the excitement | 05:19 |
| j1mc | i love how there are free software people to visit anywhere you go. :) | 05:19 |
| nixternal | j1mc: come visit me! | 05:19 |
| pleia2 | Rocket2DMn: I'm sort of trying to mend the ties, as quixotic as it might be :) | 05:19 |
| j1mc | nixternal: hehe | 05:19 |
| Rocket2DMn | pleia2, i'll let you know when i'm back in norcal, could be awhile though :( | 05:19 |
| nixternal | or I will just hop in the car and be over at your place in 30 minutes :D | 05:19 |
| j1mc | nixternal: i'm at pumping station one | 05:20 |
| nixternal | oh you ass | 05:20 |
| nixternal | you could have told me something was going on there tonight | 05:20 |
| nixternal | I would have gone | 05:20 |
| j1mc | lo siento | 05:20 |
| pleia2 | haha | 05:20 |
| DarkwingDuck | pleia2: I'll be up in NorCal in the beginning of may... wouldn't mind meeting you, jono and grantbow for coffee | 05:21 |
| pleia2 | DarkwingDuck: that'd be great! | 05:21 |
| * Rocket2DMn is jealous | 05:21 | |
| Rocket2DMn | so pleia2 is norcal everything you hoped? | 05:22 |
| pleia2 | Rocket2DMn: yes, I adore it here :) | 05:22 |
| DarkwingDuck | pleia2: I'll let you guys know when I'm up there. | 05:22 |
| pleia2 | miss philly a bit, but I survive | 05:22 |
| DarkwingDuck | I already miss San Diego | 05:22 |
| Rocket2DMn | pleia2, i have yet to comeup with a good response when people ask me why i left | 05:22 |
| pleia2 | Rocket2DMn: I am not sure there is any response that can sufficiently explain moving from jersey from california, sorry :) | 05:23 |
| pleia2 | er, to jersey | 05:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | CA->PA->NJ | 05:23 |
| pleia2 | keep getting worse! | 05:23 |
| Rocket2DMn | who knows where i'll be in a year... | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | ;) | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | florida? | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | hehe | 05:24 |
| Rocket2DMn | god's waiting room | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | haha | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | yeah, at least florida has an active loco | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | last I knew the team lead for jersey had stepped down | 05:24 |
| Rocket2DMn | that's mean, FL isn't a bad place, it's really great to be there in January, drinking tequila on the beach | 05:24 |
| pleia2 | I guess I've mostly just been to the swamps | 05:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | i haven't seen a single email on the NJ mailing list | 05:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | i kinda wonder if my registration is setup correctly | 05:25 |
| pleia2 | it's not very noisy | 05:25 |
| Rocket2DMn | oh well, we sorta digressed | 05:26 |
| pleia2 | right! we're supposed to talk about how to bring love to the doc team <3 | 05:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | i was kinda hoping for more help during the lucid cycle for the docs | 05:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | i cant maintain the level of contribution, hopefully somebody will step up and start patching bugs | 05:27 |
| Rocket2DMn | we need some fresh blood :) | 05:28 |
| * pleia2 nods | 05:28 | |
| Rocket2DMn | i dont mean to say i didnt get any help, we did have one or two community members provide some patches, i hope they keep itup | 05:29 |
| j1mc | Rocket2DMn: make sure you let people know that you want additional help. | 05:29 |
| pleia2 | then I can certainly imagine how frustating it can be to watch volunteers flock to -manual | 05:29 |
| j1mc | sometimes people will not step up because they think that someone else is handling it | 05:30 |
| pleia2 | j1mc: that's certainly the impression I get from people WRT the doc team | 05:30 |
| pleia2 | that and "the wiki is so out of date" "maybe you can add to it when you figure out your issue?" *apathy* | 05:30 |
| pleia2 | sigh :) | 05:30 |
| Rocket2DMn | j1mc, i sent out some emails around december but didnt really get any bites | 05:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | i dont blog, so i'm not putting anything on planet | 05:31 |
| Rocket2DMn | pleia2, the wiki is always out of date, there is too much stuff there and not enough expertise | 05:31 |
| * pleia2 nods | 05:31 | |
| mvngu_ | With a project the size of Ubuntu, a beginner can feel overwhelmed. | 05:32 |
| Rocket2DMn | working on the wiki can be fun, that's wher ei started with documentation, but it can be like doing continuous damage control | 05:32 |
| Rocket2DMn | yes mvngu_ that is definitely true | 05:32 |
| mvngu_ | Having mentors is a real plus. | 05:32 |
| pleia2 | you guys having a meeting in the near future? | 05:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | the Beginners Team has done a good job over the last couple years at helping beginners and helping those interested in contributing involved in different areas of the community | 05:33 |
| Rocket2DMn | there are some members in this room now who started on that team and got involved with documentation | 05:33 |
| DarkwingDuck | I'm a product of Ubuntu Beginners | 05:33 |
| DarkwingDuck | Actually, put my name up for BT Membership | 05:34 |
| pleia2 | DarkwingDuck: yay :) | 05:34 |
| DarkwingDuck | :D It's where I started in Ubuntu. Then Docs with the Kubuntu guys | 05:34 |
| DarkwingDuck | THAT turned into quite the task for Lucid | 05:35 |
| mvngu_ | Just to give a sense of what a beginner such as myself feels: | 05:35 |
| mvngu_ | I started editing some parts of the wiki. | 05:36 |
| mvngu_ | In particular, went through the whole style guide. Made some stylistic clean-ups. | 05:36 |
| mvngu_ | After finishing that, I asked myself, "What next?" | 05:37 |
| mvngu_ | So here I am, stuck, no knowing where to go from the style guide onwards. | 05:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | mvngu_, fix these pages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TitleIndex | 05:37 |
| Rocket2DMn | ;) | 05:38 |
| DarkwingDuck | Rocket2DMn: You work on the Wiki worrect? | 05:39 |
| DarkwingDuck | s/worrect/correct | 05:39 |
| mvngu_ | Rocket2DMn: Is there an algorithm to prioritize the work? | 05:39 |
| mvngu_ | Rocket2DMn: :-) | 05:39 |
| Rocket2DMn | https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag | 05:40 |
| Rocket2DMn | we invented tags about 1.5 years ago to help mark pages that need attention. Not all pages that need work are tagged, but it's a start | 05:41 |
| pleia2 | that's great | 05:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | as for which need priority in a given category, that is up to contributors to decide | 05:41 |
| pleia2 | I had seen these on the wiki but didn't know anything about them :) | 05:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | anything with material that seems like it would be used regularly is worth fixing for sure | 05:41 |
| DarkwingDuck | Rocket2DMn: Is there a standard for adding into the wiki the way to accomplish the same in either k/x/l ubuntu? | 05:41 |
| Rocket2DMn | DarkwingDuck, in general, material is for Ubuntu - it is often cross compatible. I don't think there is a standard | 05:42 |
| Rocket2DMn | Kubuntu has a wiki site, but I think it uses material direct from the main ubuntu community docs | 05:43 |
| DarkwingDuck | It is. That is why I was asking | 05:43 |
| DarkwingDuck | This is why I was asking if I'm going through and find something to add at the bottem with a note at the top "For Kubuntu Users Click Here" and it goes to an internal link to a added section | 05:44 |
| DarkwingDuck | Ok, I'm seeing double. I'm off to bed guys | 05:46 |
| mvngu_ | DarkwingDuck: Good night. | 05:46 |
| Rocket2DMn | see ya DarkwingDuck | 05:47 |
| j1mc | hasta la pasta, all | 06:03 |
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| ZachK_ | Meeting still going? | 18:39 |
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