[04:46] Anyone from the doc team going to UDS that we know of? [04:47] DarkwingDuck: I went to the last one, as did Milo Casagrande. [04:47] Kyle N. from Canonical was there, too. [04:47] I'm not sure who is planning to go to this one. [04:47] DarkwingDuck: will you go? [04:48] I was thinking about it but, it being in Brussels I don't think i will have the $$ [04:48] yeah [04:49] I just moved from California USA to Mississippi USA so, I'm a bit tapped out [04:49] I really want to go though. [04:49] yeah [04:50] I missed the one in Dallas and i've been kicking myself for it [04:50] did you apply for sponsorship? [04:50] No [04:54] yeah... maybe next time apply. :) i don't think a lot of doc-team people apply. [04:54] i know you did a lot of work this cycle... maybe you could go to the next uds. [04:55] I think I will for 11.04 [04:55] Kubuntu membership meeting this week [04:55] waiting to hear back about the commiters team. I love doc work too [05:04] :) [05:04] i'm glad richard johnson requested commit access for you. [05:06] Richard has been awesome to work with [05:08] DarkwingDuck, i've been wanting to go to UDS for a long time. I could get sponsorship, but i can't take the time :( [05:08] Rocket2DMn: I have the vacation days with my job, I'll store up and go for 11.04 [05:09] I technically could take vacation and go, but i really need to save that time to see family and whatnot [05:09] yeah, US Navy gives me good time off [05:10] sounds like you've been doing a great job with the kubuntu-docs, congrats on getting nominated for -committers, i'm sure you'll get it [05:11] Thanks Rocket2DMn. i'm up for Kubuntu Membership this week too [05:12] :) [05:13] prior to my "i need to take a break," moment, i had booked a spot at a doc conference. shaunm (from gnome) and i went, and demonstrated mallard. [05:13] we got some good feedback on it... not so much technical feedback, but people were pretty receptive to it. [05:14] DarkwingDuck, i think you'll probably get that, too [05:14] Last weekend? j1mc? [05:14] Rocket2DMn: I hope so. I'm a bit nervious [05:14] j1mc, that's cool, I don't think I would go to any doc conferences though. I don't do documentaiton professionally and it's a pretty narrow focus [05:15] Rocket2DMn: yeah. there are some proprietary-only type topics, but it is spread out enough so that you can avoid that stuff if you want. [05:15] fwiw, I would be very happy to chat with some doc people there [05:15] plus, there are some xml/xsl nerds there, so it is good to get to talk to those types. [05:16] Rich was impressed with Mallard... I think Kubuntu is going to merge over at some point [05:16] I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, I just wouldn't be able to take that kind of time and money. If only there was more time to do the stuff that interested you... [05:16] oh and hey pleia2 :) [05:16] Hey pleia2 [05:16] Rocket2DMn: I went to my first uds in november because of the time thing, but now my boss saw how beneficial it was so he's letting me go more :) [05:17] err, didn't go to one before that because of time [05:17] unfortunately I guess I don't see that being the case for your job [05:17] darn US and our meager vacation time [05:17] that's great pleia2 ! [05:17] yeah, wouldn't happen for me... [05:17] shaun mccance has a writeup on the conference: http://blogs.gnome.org/shaunm [05:18] anyway, I applied for sponsorship so hopefully me (ubuntu-learning) will meet up with benjamin (ubuntu-manual) and I contacted jonathan jesse after some sad posts about the forgotten docs team [05:18] ben and I at least will get together at uds, hopefully some doc people too (not sure if nixternal is coming) [05:18] pleia2, jon is in here - jjesse [05:18] me no likey ubuntu manual [05:18] oh yes, good :) [05:18] * nixternal isn't coming [05:18] j1mc: I know, much bad blood between the teams [05:19] nixternal: argh, we will never meet! [05:19] ;) [05:19] sure we will [05:19] hehe, ahh the ubuntu-manual project... [05:19] you should visit SF! [05:19] i can do just as much work remotely than being at UDS, and I have been a couple of times, time to let new people go and enjoy the excitement [05:19] i love how there are free software people to visit anywhere you go. :) [05:19] j1mc: come visit me! [05:19] Rocket2DMn: I'm sort of trying to mend the ties, as quixotic as it might be :) [05:19] nixternal: hehe [05:19] pleia2, i'll let you know when i'm back in norcal, could be awhile though :( [05:19] or I will just hop in the car and be over at your place in 30 minutes :D [05:20] nixternal: i'm at pumping station one [05:20] oh you ass [05:20] you could have told me something was going on there tonight [05:20] I would have gone [05:20] lo siento [05:20] haha [05:21] pleia2: I'll be up in NorCal in the beginning of may... wouldn't mind meeting you, jono and grantbow for coffee [05:21] DarkwingDuck: that'd be great! [05:21] * Rocket2DMn is jealous [05:22] so pleia2 is norcal everything you hoped? [05:22] Rocket2DMn: yes, I adore it here :) [05:22] pleia2: I'll let you guys know when I'm up there. [05:22] miss philly a bit, but I survive [05:22] I already miss San Diego [05:22] pleia2, i have yet to comeup with a good response when people ask me why i left [05:23] Rocket2DMn: I am not sure there is any response that can sufficiently explain moving from jersey from california, sorry :) [05:23] er, to jersey [05:23] CA->PA->NJ [05:23] keep getting worse! [05:24] who knows where i'll be in a year... [05:24] ;) [05:24] florida? [05:24] hehe [05:24] god's waiting room [05:24] haha [05:24] yeah, at least florida has an active loco [05:24] last I knew the team lead for jersey had stepped down [05:24] that's mean, FL isn't a bad place, it's really great to be there in January, drinking tequila on the beach [05:25] I guess I've mostly just been to the swamps [05:25] i haven't seen a single email on the NJ mailing list [05:25] i kinda wonder if my registration is setup correctly [05:25] it's not very noisy [05:26] oh well, we sorta digressed [05:27] right! we're supposed to talk about how to bring love to the doc team <3 [05:27] i was kinda hoping for more help during the lucid cycle for the docs [05:27] i cant maintain the level of contribution, hopefully somebody will step up and start patching bugs [05:28] we need some fresh blood :) [05:28] * pleia2 nods [05:29] i dont mean to say i didnt get any help, we did have one or two community members provide some patches, i hope they keep itup [05:29] Rocket2DMn: make sure you let people know that you want additional help. [05:29] then I can certainly imagine how frustating it can be to watch volunteers flock to -manual [05:30] sometimes people will not step up because they think that someone else is handling it [05:30] j1mc: that's certainly the impression I get from people WRT the doc team [05:30] that and "the wiki is so out of date" "maybe you can add to it when you figure out your issue?" *apathy* [05:30] sigh :) [05:31] j1mc, i sent out some emails around december but didnt really get any bites [05:31] i dont blog, so i'm not putting anything on planet [05:31] pleia2, the wiki is always out of date, there is too much stuff there and not enough expertise [05:31] * pleia2 nods [05:32] With a project the size of Ubuntu, a beginner can feel overwhelmed. [05:32] working on the wiki can be fun, that's wher ei started with documentation, but it can be like doing continuous damage control [05:32] yes mvngu_ that is definitely true [05:32] Having mentors is a real plus. [05:33] you guys having a meeting in the near future? [05:33] the Beginners Team has done a good job over the last couple years at helping beginners and helping those interested in contributing involved in different areas of the community [05:33] there are some members in this room now who started on that team and got involved with documentation [05:33] I'm a product of Ubuntu Beginners [05:34] Actually, put my name up for BT Membership [05:34] DarkwingDuck: yay :) [05:34] :D It's where I started in Ubuntu. Then Docs with the Kubuntu guys [05:35] THAT turned into quite the task for Lucid [05:35] Just to give a sense of what a beginner such as myself feels: [05:36] I started editing some parts of the wiki. [05:36] In particular, went through the whole style guide. Made some stylistic clean-ups. [05:37] After finishing that, I asked myself, "What next?" [05:37] So here I am, stuck, no knowing where to go from the style guide onwards. [05:37] mvngu_, fix these pages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TitleIndex [05:38] ;) [05:39] Rocket2DMn: You work on the Wiki worrect? [05:39] s/worrect/correct [05:39] Rocket2DMn: Is there an algorithm to prioritize the work? [05:39] Rocket2DMn: :-) [05:40] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag [05:41] we invented tags about 1.5 years ago to help mark pages that need attention. Not all pages that need work are tagged, but it's a start [05:41] that's great [05:41] as for which need priority in a given category, that is up to contributors to decide [05:41] I had seen these on the wiki but didn't know anything about them :) [05:41] anything with material that seems like it would be used regularly is worth fixing for sure [05:41] Rocket2DMn: Is there a standard for adding into the wiki the way to accomplish the same in either k/x/l ubuntu? [05:42] DarkwingDuck, in general, material is for Ubuntu - it is often cross compatible. I don't think there is a standard [05:43] Kubuntu has a wiki site, but I think it uses material direct from the main ubuntu community docs [05:43] It is. That is why I was asking [05:44] This is why I was asking if I'm going through and find something to add at the bottem with a note at the top "For Kubuntu Users Click Here" and it goes to an internal link to a added section [05:46] Ok, I'm seeing double. I'm off to bed guys [05:46] DarkwingDuck: Good night. [05:47] see ya DarkwingDuck [06:03] hasta la pasta, all === nixternal_ is now known as Guest85874 === Guest85874 is now known as nixternal [18:39] Meeting still going?