[04:46] <DarkwingDuck> Anyone from the doc team going to UDS that we know of?
[04:47] <j1mc> DarkwingDuck: I went to the last one, as did Milo Casagrande.
[04:47] <j1mc> Kyle N. from Canonical was there, too.
[04:47] <j1mc> I'm not sure who is planning to go to this one.
[04:47] <j1mc> DarkwingDuck: will you go?
[04:48] <DarkwingDuck> I was thinking about it but, it being in Brussels I don't think i will have the $$
[04:48] <j1mc> yeah
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> I just moved from California USA to Mississippi USA so, I'm a bit tapped out
[04:49] <DarkwingDuck> I really want to go though.
[04:49] <j1mc> yeah
[04:50] <DarkwingDuck> I missed the one in Dallas and i've been kicking myself for it
[04:50] <j1mc> did you apply for sponsorship?
[04:50] <DarkwingDuck> No
[04:54] <j1mc> yeah... maybe next time apply. :)  i don't think a lot of doc-team people apply.
[04:54] <j1mc> i know you did a lot of work this cycle... maybe you could go to the next uds.
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> I think I will for 11.04
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> Kubuntu membership meeting this week
[04:55] <DarkwingDuck> waiting to hear back about the commiters team. I love doc work too
[05:04] <j1mc> :)
[05:04] <j1mc> i'm glad richard johnson requested commit access for you.
[05:06] <DarkwingDuck> Richard has been awesome to work with
[05:08] <Rocket2DMn> DarkwingDuck, i've been wanting to go to UDS for a long time.  I could get sponsorship, but i can't take the time :(
[05:08] <DarkwingDuck> Rocket2DMn: I have the vacation days with my job, I'll store up and go for 11.04
[05:09] <Rocket2DMn> I technically could take vacation and go, but i really need to save that time to see family and whatnot
[05:09] <DarkwingDuck> yeah, US Navy gives me good time off
[05:10] <Rocket2DMn> sounds like you've been doing a great job with the kubuntu-docs, congrats on getting nominated for -committers, i'm sure you'll get it
[05:11] <DarkwingDuck> Thanks Rocket2DMn. i'm up for Kubuntu Membership this week too
[05:12] <j1mc> :)
[05:13] <j1mc> prior to my "i need to take a break," moment, i had booked a spot at a doc conference.  shaunm (from gnome) and i went, and demonstrated mallard.
[05:13] <j1mc> we got some good feedback on it... not so much technical feedback, but people were pretty receptive to it.
[05:14] <Rocket2DMn> DarkwingDuck, i think you'll probably get that, too
[05:14] <DarkwingDuck> Last weekend? j1mc?
[05:14] <DarkwingDuck> Rocket2DMn: I hope so. I'm a bit nervious
[05:14] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, that's cool, I don't think I would go to any doc conferences though.  I don't do documentaiton professionally and it's a pretty narrow focus
[05:15] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: yeah.  there are some proprietary-only type topics, but it is spread out enough so that you can avoid that stuff if you want.
[05:15] <pleia2> fwiw, I would be very happy to chat with some doc people there
[05:15] <j1mc> plus, there are some xml/xsl nerds there, so it is good to get to talk to those types.
[05:16] <DarkwingDuck> Rich was impressed with Mallard... I think Kubuntu is going to merge over at some point
[05:16] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not saying it wouldn't be interesting, I just wouldn't be able to take that kind of time and money.  If only there was more time to do the stuff that interested you...
[05:16] <Rocket2DMn> oh and hey pleia2 :)
[05:16] <DarkwingDuck> Hey pleia2
[05:16] <pleia2> Rocket2DMn: I went to my first uds in november because of the time thing, but now my boss saw how beneficial it was so he's letting me go more :)
[05:17] <pleia2> err, didn't go to one before that because of time
[05:17] <pleia2> unfortunately I guess I don't see that being the case for your job
[05:17] <pleia2> darn US and our meager vacation time
[05:17] <Rocket2DMn> that's great pleia2 !
[05:17] <Rocket2DMn> yeah, wouldn't happen for me...
[05:17] <j1mc> shaun mccance has a writeup on the conference: http://blogs.gnome.org/shaunm
[05:18] <pleia2> anyway, I applied for sponsorship so hopefully me (ubuntu-learning) will meet up with benjamin (ubuntu-manual) and I contacted jonathan jesse after some sad posts about the forgotten docs team
[05:18] <pleia2> ben and I at least will get together at uds, hopefully some doc people too (not sure if nixternal is coming)
[05:18] <Rocket2DMn> pleia2, jon is in here - jjesse
[05:18] <j1mc> me no likey ubuntu manual
[05:18] <pleia2> oh yes, good :)
[05:18]  * nixternal isn't coming
[05:18] <pleia2> j1mc: I know, much bad blood between the teams
[05:19] <pleia2> nixternal: argh, we will never meet!
[05:19] <pleia2> ;)
[05:19] <nixternal> sure we will
[05:19] <Rocket2DMn> hehe, ahh the ubuntu-manual project...
[05:19] <pleia2> you should visit SF!
[05:19] <nixternal> i can do just as much work remotely than being at UDS, and I have been a couple of times, time to let new people go and enjoy the excitement
[05:19] <j1mc> i love how there are free software people to visit anywhere you go.  :)
[05:19] <nixternal> j1mc: come visit me!
[05:19] <pleia2> Rocket2DMn: I'm sort of trying to mend the ties, as quixotic as it might be :)
[05:19] <j1mc> nixternal: hehe
[05:19] <Rocket2DMn> pleia2, i'll let you know when i'm back in norcal, could be awhile though :(
[05:19] <nixternal> or I will just hop in the car and be over at your place in 30 minutes :D
[05:20] <j1mc> nixternal: i'm at pumping station one
[05:20] <nixternal> oh you ass
[05:20] <nixternal> you could have told me something was going on there tonight
[05:20] <nixternal> I would have gone
[05:20] <j1mc> lo siento
[05:20] <pleia2> haha
[05:21] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: I'll be up in NorCal in the beginning of may... wouldn't mind meeting you, jono and grantbow for coffee
[05:21] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: that'd be great!
[05:21]  * Rocket2DMn is jealous
[05:22] <Rocket2DMn> so pleia2 is norcal everything you hoped?
[05:22] <pleia2> Rocket2DMn: yes, I adore it here :)
[05:22] <DarkwingDuck> pleia2: I'll let you guys know when I'm up there.
[05:22] <pleia2> miss philly a bit, but I survive
[05:22] <DarkwingDuck> I already miss San Diego
[05:22] <Rocket2DMn> pleia2, i have yet to comeup with a good response when people ask me why i left
[05:23] <pleia2> Rocket2DMn: I am not sure there is any response that can sufficiently explain moving from jersey from california, sorry :)
[05:23] <pleia2> er, to jersey
[05:23] <Rocket2DMn> CA->PA->NJ
[05:23] <pleia2> keep getting worse!
[05:24] <Rocket2DMn> who knows where i'll be in a year...
[05:24] <pleia2> ;)
[05:24] <pleia2> florida?
[05:24] <pleia2> hehe
[05:24] <Rocket2DMn> god's waiting room
[05:24] <pleia2> haha
[05:24] <pleia2> yeah, at least florida has an active loco
[05:24] <pleia2> last I knew the team lead for jersey had stepped down
[05:24] <Rocket2DMn> that's mean, FL isn't a bad place, it's really great to be there in January, drinking tequila on the beach
[05:25] <pleia2> I guess I've mostly just been to the swamps
[05:25] <Rocket2DMn> i haven't seen a single email on the NJ mailing list
[05:25] <Rocket2DMn> i kinda wonder if my registration is setup correctly
[05:25] <pleia2> it's not very noisy
[05:26] <Rocket2DMn> oh well, we sorta digressed
[05:27] <pleia2> right! we're supposed to talk about how to bring love to the doc team <3
[05:27] <Rocket2DMn> i was kinda hoping for more help during the lucid cycle for the docs
[05:27] <Rocket2DMn> i cant maintain the level of contribution, hopefully somebody will step up and start patching bugs
[05:28] <Rocket2DMn> we need some fresh blood :)
[05:28]  * pleia2 nods
[05:29] <Rocket2DMn> i dont mean to say i didnt get any help, we did have one or two community members provide some patches, i hope they keep itup
[05:29] <j1mc> Rocket2DMn: make sure you let people know that you want additional help.
[05:29] <pleia2> then I can certainly imagine how frustating it can be to watch volunteers flock to -manual
[05:30] <j1mc> sometimes people will not step up because they think that someone else is handling it
[05:30] <pleia2> j1mc: that's certainly the impression I get from people WRT the doc team
[05:30] <pleia2> that and "the wiki is so out of date" "maybe you can add to it when you figure out your issue?" *apathy*
[05:30] <pleia2> sigh :)
[05:31] <Rocket2DMn> j1mc, i sent out some emails around december but didnt really get any bites
[05:31] <Rocket2DMn> i dont blog, so i'm not putting anything on planet
[05:31] <Rocket2DMn> pleia2, the wiki is always out of date, there is too much stuff there and not enough expertise
[05:31]  * pleia2 nods
[05:32] <mvngu_> With a project the size of Ubuntu, a beginner can feel overwhelmed.
[05:32] <Rocket2DMn> working on the wiki can be fun, that's wher ei started with documentation, but it can be like doing continuous damage control
[05:32] <Rocket2DMn> yes mvngu_ that is definitely true
[05:32] <mvngu_> Having mentors is a real plus.
[05:33] <pleia2> you guys having a meeting in the near future?
[05:33] <Rocket2DMn> the Beginners Team has done a good job over the last couple years at helping beginners and helping those interested in contributing involved in different areas of the community
[05:33] <Rocket2DMn> there are some members in this room now who started on that team and got involved with documentation
[05:33] <DarkwingDuck> I'm a product of Ubuntu Beginners
[05:34] <DarkwingDuck> Actually, put my name up for BT Membership
[05:34] <pleia2> DarkwingDuck: yay :)
[05:34] <DarkwingDuck> :D It's where I started in Ubuntu. Then Docs with the Kubuntu guys
[05:35] <DarkwingDuck> THAT turned into quite the task for Lucid
[05:35] <mvngu_> Just to give a sense of what a beginner such as myself feels:
[05:36] <mvngu_> I started editing some parts of the wiki.
[05:36] <mvngu_> In particular, went through the whole style guide. Made some stylistic clean-ups.
[05:37] <mvngu_> After finishing that, I asked myself, "What next?"
[05:37] <mvngu_> So here I am, stuck, no knowing where to go from the style guide onwards.
[05:37] <Rocket2DMn> mvngu_, fix these pages: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TitleIndex
[05:38] <Rocket2DMn> ;)
[05:39] <DarkwingDuck> Rocket2DMn: You work on the Wiki worrect?
[05:39] <DarkwingDuck> s/worrect/correct
[05:39] <mvngu_> Rocket2DMn: Is there an algorithm to prioritize the work?
[05:39] <mvngu_> Rocket2DMn: :-)
[05:40] <Rocket2DMn> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Tag
[05:41] <Rocket2DMn> we invented tags about 1.5 years ago to help mark pages that need attention.  Not all pages that need work are tagged, but it's a start
[05:41] <pleia2> that's great
[05:41] <Rocket2DMn> as for which need priority in a given category, that is up to contributors to decide
[05:41] <pleia2> I had seen these on the wiki but didn't know anything about them :)
[05:41] <Rocket2DMn> anything with material that seems like it would be used regularly is worth fixing for sure
[05:41] <DarkwingDuck> Rocket2DMn: Is there a standard for adding into the wiki the way to accomplish the same in either k/x/l ubuntu?
[05:42] <Rocket2DMn> DarkwingDuck, in general, material is for Ubuntu - it is often cross compatible.  I don't think there is a standard
[05:43] <Rocket2DMn> Kubuntu has a wiki site, but I think it uses material direct from the main ubuntu community docs
[05:43] <DarkwingDuck> It is. That is why I was asking
[05:44] <DarkwingDuck> This is why I was asking if I'm going through and find something to add at the bottem with a note at the top "For Kubuntu Users Click Here" and it goes to an internal link to a added section
[05:46] <DarkwingDuck> Ok, I'm seeing double. I'm off to bed guys
[05:46] <mvngu_> DarkwingDuck: Good night.
[05:47] <Rocket2DMn> see ya DarkwingDuck
[06:03] <j1mc> hasta la pasta, all
[18:39] <ZachK_> Meeting still going?