/srv/irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/03/28/#ubuntu-manual.txt

Red_HamsterXBleh... I dunno what, if anything, I can do for the current PyWeek.00:13
Red_HamsterXOoh. Quickshot is working well.02:44
Red_HamsterXAnd Alstroemeria CDs make for great programming music.02:45
Red_HamsterXLooks like Metacity returns decoration information slightly differently under Lucid...03:05
Red_HamsterXAll Firefox-related screencaps successfully taken and uploaded using Quickshot.03:26
Red_HamsterX(A number of small bugs were worked out in the process, hence the time taken)03:26
godbykThe Internet here is still being really flaky, but I'm around if around if anyone needs me.03:56
humphreybcwhat's poppin' ya'll07:03
godbykhumphreybc: 'bout time you showed up! :)07:05
humphreybchaha, i've been enjoying my lazy sunda07:05
humphreybcsunday*07:05
humphreybcthen I had an interesting experience07:05
godbykoh yeah?07:05
humphreybcI tried to enable some transparency for pidgin07:06
godbykuh oh07:06
humphreybcjust for the buddy list, by using compiz07:06
humphreybcI selected the pidgin buddy list window07:06
humphreybccompiz turned my entire computer transparent07:06
humphreybcpanels, all windows, my docks disappeared07:06
godbykheh07:06
godbykawesome07:06
humphreybcso I went into a virtual terminal07:06
humphreybcremoved the compiz config files in my home directory and restarted X07:07
humphreybcthat didn't work07:07
humphreybcrestarted computer, that didn't work07:07
humphreybcso I figured I should run a metacity --replace command07:07
humphreybctried that in a virtual terminal and got an error saying that X wasn't loaded (because I was in a virtual terminal)07:07
humphreybcso, I blindly opened up a terminal by using my keyboard shortcut and typed in the command slowly, even though i couldn't see it... it worked07:08
humphreybcdisabled the opacity plugin for compiz and restarted X, success07:08
humphreybcit was pretty funny though because I had all my windows open, and could grab them/resize them and stuff but they were invisible07:08
godbyknice07:09
humphreybcyeah07:09
humphreybcso what's new?07:09
godbykI'm currently spell-checking our manual.07:09
humphreybcoh fun07:09
godbykLoads.07:09
humphreybcusing aspell?07:09
humphreybcor by hand/eye?07:10
godbykIt strikes me that we need to establish a really comprehensive style guide for the manual.07:10
humphreybcyea07:10
humphreybcthat was the plan07:10
godbykIt's probably too late to create one for this edition, but we should definitely add that to our TODO list for the next edition.07:10
humphreybcnever eventuated07:10
humphreybcyup07:10
humphreybcdid you see some of the stuff that Martin Lukes did?07:11
godbykAlso, you're totally gonna lose that bet. :)07:11
godbykWhich stuff?07:11
humphreybcI better not07:11
humphreybccheck the mailing list07:11
humphreybcunless he just sent it to me07:11
humphreybcnah the list07:11
humphreybchttp://etherpad.com/Dws558WVvc07:11
godbykoh, the manual for manual thing?07:11
humphreybche made this07:11
humphreybcyea07:11
godbykyeah, I saw that.07:11
humphreybcby trawling through our ML messages :D07:11
godbykmost of that will be incorporated into the style guide.07:11
humphreybcyea07:12
godbyklatex-handout.pdf was supposed to be the start of a style guide, but I didn't spend the time needed to really get it fleshed out completely.07:12
humphreybcit's a good list of stuff though07:12
humphreybcthat's okay07:12
humphreybcwe have other things to worry about, as you said it's too late but next release we'll have 6 months07:12
humphreybcinstead of 3 :)07:12
godbykcan we just pretend this initial release doesn't count as much? :-)07:13
godbyk(so many little bugs!)07:13
humphreybclol07:13
humphreybcwell I anticipate we'll get a shitload of interest after this release07:13
godbyka lot of the bugs I'm seeing are more style issues that I didn't bring up before.07:13
Red_HamsterXLearning experience. =P07:13
humphreybcsure07:13
humphreybchey, we can't be perfect, we've done bloody well07:13
humphreybci'm sure everyone appreciates that07:13
humphreybcso don't fret too much07:14
godbykI know, I know.  Still, it bugs me when I see typos or errors in my books. :)07:14
humphreybcwhat we've got now is already beyond any expectation anyone ever had07:14
humphreybchehe07:14
humphreybcyour books huh?07:14
humphreybc:P07:14
godbykas in 'books I own'.07:14
humphreybcrigt07:14
humphreybcsure sure :P07:14
godbykalthough it applies doubly to books I've been involved with producing. :)07:14
humphreybcfair enough07:14
humphreybci'm the same07:14
humphreybcwe have a lot of work to do, that's for sure07:15
humphreybcbut that's good, it'll keep us busy and keep people interested and willing to help07:15
godbykalso, I think I found a typo/error in the CC license (the original on the website).07:15
humphreybcunlike the *cough* docs team *cough*07:15
humphreybcO rly?07:15
godbykI asked about it in #cc, but haven't had a response yet.07:15
godbykyeah,07:15
godbykin section 1(b), they refer to section 1(f) but I think they meant to refer to section 1(h).07:15
humphreybcok07:16
godbykexciting, no?07:16
humphreybcindeed07:17
humphreybchey cool people are starting to post irrelevant ads and links on our facebook page07:19
humphreybcwhich means we're becoming famous07:19
godbyklol07:20
godbykhow's our bug spreadsheet doing?07:20
godbykdo we still have a ton left to fix?07:20
humphreybc"Abdel Hakim Hakim Mouhoubi" has spammed pretty much all of our wall posts with this link: "www.livequaran.org"07:20
humphreybci'll give you one guess07:20
humphreybci'm going to kick him off our page07:20
humphreybci'm never going to find him in our fan list07:21
humphreybcwe have 750 now07:21
humphreybcoh no wait07:22
humphreybche posted directly on our oage07:22
humphreybcpage*07:22
humphreybcso i can "report and block this person from this page and remove everything he has posted"07:22
humphreybcthanks facebook!07:22
humphreybcsorry Abdel Hakim Hakim Mouhoubi, but we're not that interested in your live quaran :)07:23
godbyknice07:24
godbykfacebook is actually helpful for once07:24
humphreybcyeah07:25
humphreybcit's actually a really crap website07:26
humphreybcthey duplicate so much stuff07:26
humphreybcbut just like windows, people only use it because everyone else does :D07:26
humphreybc... at least it's better than bebo or mysapce, though07:26
humphreybcmyspace*07:26
humphreybcmyspace is awful07:27
godbykso true07:28
godbykthere are TONS of comments in these .tex files.07:30
godbykwe should really remove the ones that don't matter anymore.07:30
humphreybcyeah07:30
humphreybcthat's what i've been doing07:30
godbykmeans less text to get in the way when I'm spell-checking and reading.07:30
humphreybcis automount installed/enabled in ubuntu server edition by default?07:30
godbykno clue07:30
humphreybcnvm found it07:31
godbykIs 'gedit' the proper capitalization?07:31
humphreybcyes07:31
godbykk07:32
humphreybci'm downloading the Kubuntu 10.04 beta107:33
humphreybcgonna try it out in a vbox/live CD07:33
humphreybcnever really looked into it too much07:33
humphreybci tried 9.04 and found it too be really cluttered and inconsistent07:33
humphreybcplus i don't really like all my apps beginning with k07:34
humphreybcit looks silly and amateur07:34
godbykg is much better than k. :)07:36
humphreybcwell not even that, i just wish app developers would come up with their own names07:38
humphreybcthe menus can look hideous at times07:38
godbykI think I'm going to start making notes for our style guide as I fix things.07:41
godbykeasier than thinking of them later.07:41
godbykI'm also writing a python script right now to help me track down some frequent bugs.07:43
humphreybcneat07:44
humphreybchaha, the many uses of python07:44
godbykwe also need to get the glossary and index up to speed.07:46
godbykso much work to do!07:46
humphreybci know!07:48
humphreybci'm going to go through this evening and make all the captions nice07:48
godbykI haven't even looked at daker's test site to proofread that yet.07:53
godbykNew rule: If you see a spot in the manual that's obvious unfinished, or needs attention, put a \todo{Note goes here} there.  That way it'll show up in the PDF and we'll see it.07:54
godbykI'm trying to make a list of the formatting bugs, too. I'll deal with those after the writing freeze.07:55
godbykThough basically anything we touch in the .tex file will impact the translators, won't it?07:55
godbykmight have to branch or something. :-/07:55
humphreybckk07:58
humphreybcu,07:58
humphreybcum*07:58
humphreybcthe comments should be excluded?07:58
humphreybcoh wait07:58
humphreybcAFTER writing freeze07:58
godbykthe comments are, yet.07:58
humphreybcum07:58
godbykwait, what?07:58
godbykyou're confusing me. start over. :)07:59
humphreybcyeah i'm going to be really strict on the writing freeze07:59
humphreybcso you may have to branch07:59
humphreybci've been proof reading dakers test site07:59
humphreybcwe went through it together yesterday07:59
humphreybche's still got a couple of mistakes08:00
humphreybcbut it's getting there08:00
godbykdid you fix the missing apostrophe in 'beginner's guide'?08:00
humphreybcmaybe08:01
humphreybcno08:02
humphreybchaha08:02
humphreybcso who else from UMP will be attending UDS?08:04
humphreybcI presume thorwil will be going08:04
godbykno clue.08:04
godbykhave you heard if you're going yet or not?08:04
humphreybcnope, haven't heard yet08:04
humphreybci guess it'll be announced sometime this week or next08:05
humphreybcjono and crew will have a lot of applications to go through08:05
humphreybci really hope i go08:05
humphreybcyou'll have to participate remotely08:06
humphreybcespecially if we have a meeting with the docs/learning team etc08:06
godbykdefinitely.08:07
humphreybccool08:07
humphreybcwe'll try to get a good UMP representation in those meetings08:07
nisshhhey08:34
nisshhtime to rock08:34
humphreybchey nisshh08:34
nisshhhey08:35
nisshhi have 21 glossary entries lines up08:35
nisshhhope to get them all done today08:35
godbyknisshh: heh.. I'm adding more glossary TODOs as we speak. :)08:36
godbykat some point, we need to look at indexing, too.08:36
nisshhgodbyk: hehe, you always crash the party!08:36
godbyk:)08:37
nisshhindexing?08:37
humphreybcthe index08:37
humphreybc:P08:37
humphreybc3 days till writing freeze... fun times08:37
nisshhright, what exactly goes in the index08:37
humphreybckey words used throughout the manual08:37
humphreybcwith page numbers that are linked08:37
humphreybccheck it out in the book08:37
humphreybcit's on the last page08:37
nisshhkk08:38
humphreybcyou must have come across indexes before in other book08:38
humphreybcbooks*08:38
nisshhoh, who made the makefile awesome with colors and stuff08:38
godbykthat was me.08:38
nisshhlooks wicked and is much easier to use08:38
nisshhnice work godbyk08:38
godbykthanks.08:38
humphreybclol08:38
godbykI need to reclassify some of the warnings as errors, though, so they stand out more.08:39
humphreybci wondered why it became pretty08:39
nisshhhehe08:39
nisshhmuch easier to tell if make was successful now08:39
godbykWell, if it's not successful, it'll stop the presses and tell you about it.08:40
nisshhyes08:41
nisshhjust noticed apt-get is there twice in the index08:43
godbyknisshh: I only see it once (as a main entry).08:45
godbykAll of the applications and command-line apps are listed under then own name and under the heading 'applications' or 'command-line applications' right now.08:45
nisshhyea, theres one under vlc and one under command line08:46
jamindayhumphreybc: ping08:58
humphreybcjaminday: pong09:00
nisshhhehe, still find that funny09:00
jamindayhumphreybc: hehe hey there - i'm just on my way out but thought i'd catch you real quick09:01
humphreybcsure09:01
humphreybcfire away09:01
jamindayhow are you going with editing your chapterrs - have any spare time?09:01
jaminday*chapters09:01
humphreybci'm getting there09:01
humphreybchaven't had a huge amount of time these last couple of days09:01
humphreybcwhat's up?09:01
jamindayyeah me too. I've just been doing bits when i can.09:01
jamindayChapter 3 still has a ton of editing needing to be done though09:02
jamindayand not sure i'll have time to look at it properly09:02
nisshhgodbyk: we talked about this the other day but i forgot which way around to put the \gls command if it interfered with another09:02
humphreybcjaminday: it's on my list09:02
nisshhlike: \smallcaps{GNOME}09:02
godbyknisshh: The \gls command goes on the inside.09:02
humphreybci'll try to get it done by tuesday09:02
jamindayhumphreybc: ok cool. You want me to focus mainly on the chapters before this then?09:02
godbykTo \emph{\gls{word}}09:02
nisshhgodbyk: thanks09:02
godbyknp09:03
humphreybci think focus needs to be on 5+09:03
jamindaychapter 5?09:03
humphreybcchapter 5 and up09:03
jamindayah ok09:03
humphreybcso 5, 6, 7, 8 and 909:03
jamindayyeah i haven't looked at them for ages09:03
humphreybc5 is quite important as it deals with the software center09:03
humphreybcso make that your priority09:03
godbykI think the later chapters have probably had less focus by our OMG proofreaders, too.09:03
humphreybcplus godbyk was reading through it the other day and said it needs a lot of work09:04
godbykSo they likely need more attention.09:04
humphreybcyeah09:04
humphreybcgood point09:04
jamindayok. There is still some work needing to be written on partitioning in chapter 1, but otherwise pro, 1 and 2 are nearing completion09:04
humphreybcyeah i'll get there with the partitioning09:04
humphreybcactually09:04
humphreybci might need some help with that09:04
humphreybci can't remember much about the partitioning big09:04
humphreybcbit*09:05
jamindayYeah - the manual partitioning stuff will be hard to make newbie friendly09:05
humphreybcyeah09:05
jamindayok - well anyway i have to head out09:05
humphreybcokay09:05
jamindayi'm about to push a few minor changes, will this stuff anyone up?09:05
humphreybcenjoy your evening, we'll be slaving away here09:05
humphreybcnah it shouldn't09:06
jamindayhumphreybc: hehe09:06
nisshhmight stuff me up09:06
jamindaynisshh:  ah really09:06
humphreybcnisshh: you push first09:06
nisshhyea im doing glassry work09:06
nisshhok hang on a sec09:06
jamindayok09:06
jamindaymaybe i'll wait till i get back?09:07
nisshhno 1 sec09:07
godbykjaminday: I've got a ton of minor changes, so it won't matter much to me. :)09:07
jamindayok09:07
jamindaygodbyk: glad to hear it ;-)09:08
godbykso many changes!09:08
godbykSo far:09:08
godbyk Help/godbyk/latex-handout/latex-handout.tex |   15 +++++09:08
godbyk around-desktop/around-desktop.tex           |    8 +-09:08
godbyk backmatter/license-en.tex                   |   50 +++++++++---------09:08
godbyk command-line/command-line.tex               |   76 ++++++++++++++--------------09:08
godbyk default-apps/browsingtheweb.tex             |   24 ++++----09:08
godbyk default-apps/default-apps.tex               |    209:08
godbyk default-apps/gettingonline.tex              |    4 -09:08
godbyk main.tex                                    |    109:09
godbyk prefs-hardware/other.tex                    |    209:09
godbyk ubuntu-manual.cls                           |    9 ++-09:09
godbyk 10 files changed, 107 insertions(+), 84 deletions(-)09:09
nisshhjaminday: ok you can push now09:09
humphreybclol09:09
nisshhmaybe you should pull first though09:09
jamindaywow09:09
jamindaynisshh:09:09
jamindayhehe09:09
humphreybcgood times had by all09:09
jamindaynisshh: ok09:09
nisshhcool09:09
nisshhhumphreybc: 5 glossary entries finished09:10
humphreybcin the future, if anyones' wife/gf is having a baby it is now mandatory to scream "PULL BEFORE YOU PUSH" when they're giving birth09:10
nisshhhehe, ok09:10
humphreybcnisshh: schwing!09:10
jamindayhumphreybc: ha classic09:10
jamindayI love that 'no conflicts generated' window. Makes me happy.09:10
nisshhthat should be an official bzr joke09:10
nisshhjaminday: so push to lp went ok?09:11
humphreybcsomeone broke the make though09:11
jamindayhehe i tried to push without committing, so no09:12
nisshhlol09:12
jamindayah there we go09:12
jamindayok gotta run!09:12
jamindayby all...09:12
humphreybcnisshh: did you compile before pushing?09:12
nisshhcya09:12
humphreybc"is called \smallcaps{\gls{GNOME}}" is throwing an error09:12
humphreybcchow jamin09:12
nisshhi ran make clean before pushing09:12
nisshhhmmmm gimme a sec09:13
humphreybcyou should probably run make before pushing, then make clean09:13
humphreybcto ensure it actually compiles09:13
godbyklol09:13
nisshhhehe, i had it compiled just before i pushed09:14
nisshhjust obviously worked ok for me09:14
humphreybclol09:14
nisshhgodbyk: why is it throwing that error?09:15
godbykHmm.. not sure.09:15
nisshhi seem to have done the syntax right09:15
godbykwhat's the error?09:15
nisshhwhere i put \gls{GNOME}09:16
nisshhinside smallcaps{}09:16
nisshhit saysl.40 ...ronments is called \smallcaps{\gls{GNOME}} , which is used by default...09:17
nisshhdo you want it removed for now?09:17
nisshhgodbyk:?09:20
godbykSure, go ahead and remove it for now.09:20
nisshhok09:21
godbykFile a bug or remind me to look at it after a bit.09:21
godbyk(Or just stick a \todo{Kevin, look at the GNOME glossary entry link.} in places of the \gls command._09:21
nisshhok09:22
nisshhtesting it now09:22
humphreybccool09:23
nisshhit is kind of inconsistent where someone has smallcapsed all the DE names in around-desktop, but nowhere else in the chapter09:24
godbykwow.. everyone's joining the party now!09:24
nisshhor whole manua;09:24
godbyknisshh: yeah, I've been fixing them when I see them.09:24
nisshhgodbyk: which way is prefered?09:25
humphreybcGNOME is all caps09:25
humphreybcKDE is all caps09:25
humphreybcso XFCE09:25
humphreybcactually all of them are all caps09:25
nisshhsorry you misunderstood09:25
nisshhi mean someone has done \smallcaps{GNOME} in around desktop09:25
humphreybcoh right09:26
nisshhbut nowhere else in the manual at all09:26
nisshhits extremely inconsistent09:26
godbykwhere is my python guru?09:26
humphreybcgodbyk, what do you want to know?09:27
godbykI want to apply a regular expression to a line of text and if it matches, print something out.09:27
godbykeasy enough to do.09:27
godbykfigured I'd ask instead of looking it up. :)09:27
humphreybcwhat do you mean apply a regular expression?09:27
godbyk(if anyone's around who knows right off.)09:27
godbykI want to see it there are any matches in the line of text.09:28
humphreybcah right09:28
humphreybci'm not sure what the function name is09:28
nisshhok, if everyone pulls now they have the fix09:28
godbykI think re.search will do it.09:28
godbyknisshh: thanks09:29
nisshhnp09:29
humphreybcsweet, so just assign it to something and then run the function on the string in an if statement09:29
nisshhim trying to write a description for MeMenu, except i havent used it much, can someone with more experience give me a hand?09:55
nisshhnevermind, its done10:03
nisshhhey ubuntujenkins10:11
ubuntujenkinshey nisshh10:11
nisshheverything is coming along nicely10:12
ubuntujenkinsthats great, quickshot is doing we to10:13
ubuntujenkins*well10:13
nisshhgood10:15
nisshhhumphreybc: finished descrptions for another 10 or so glossary entries10:24
humphreybcnisshh: fantasticx10:24
humphreybcwithout the x10:24
ubuntujenkins_humphreybc: I am planning to do some quickshot wikii stuff today, have you done any? I don't want to double up on your work10:27
ubuntujenkins_also the quickshot cd is down to 692 mb10:28
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nisshhubuntujenkins: quickshot cd?10:30
ubuntujenkinsnisshh: there is a cut down version of lucid on a cd with the quickshot program so that people can take screenshots with out installing lucid10:33
nisshhah, cool10:34
ubuntujenkinsand it has all of the lanuage packs that the manual is in on it10:35
ubuntujenkinsI will be back just swapping to the wifi10:37
nisshhok10:39
nisshhsounds really cool10:39
nisshhalso just pushed more work to lp10:40
ubuntujenkins_kk10:40
ubuntujenkins_humphreybc: why did you remove the rhythambox screenshots but not the \screenshot command?10:41
humphreybcubuntujenkins: they were spelt wrong so i just adjusted the command and the filename11:03
ubuntujenkinsI don't think you did bzr add then11:04
humphreybcoh maybe not11:05
ubuntujenkinsalso have you done any quickshot wiki stuff?11:05
humphreybcjust pushing now11:07
humphreybcnope, I haven't updated ubuntu-manual/quickshot in some time11:08
humphreybcyou may want to update it11:08
ubuntujenkinsthanks I can never spell rhythambox11:08
ubuntujenkinsI am updating the wiki to day in prep for the release11:08
humphreybccool11:09
ubuntujenkinsdidn't want to double up on any work you had done11:09
humphreybcnah that's cool, thanks for asking11:10
humphreybcgo for it though11:10
ubuntujenkinswho made the wiki buttons?11:10
humphreybcI made the original ones and then daker made some new ones11:10
ubuntujenkinscool I will see if i need any11:10
ubuntujenkinsRed_HamsterX: ping11:10
godbykI pushed a bunch of my edits.11:46
godbykmore to come.11:46
humphreybcubuntujenkins: hey, have you got a quickshot live CD image for me to test?12:27
ubuntujenkinshumphreybc: I have an image but its not got quickshot on it thats a 2 min job, but how do i get it to you?12:28
humphreybchm12:28
humphreybcis it 700mb?12:28
ubuntujenkins692mb12:28
humphreybchttp://www.mediafire.com/ ?12:28
humphreybcor ubuntu one account?12:29
ubuntujenkinsubuntu one/dropbox have file size limits12:29
humphreybcdropbox?12:29
humphreybcoh really12:29
humphreybcthat sucks12:29
ubuntujenkinsI will try and sort it today, just working on a ppa I will drop you an e-mail so that you have it when you get up12:30
ubuntujenkinsthe image that is12:30
ubuntujenkinsok humphreybc media fire is no good 200mb file size limit12:31
humphreybcokay12:31
humphreybcyeah PPA should work12:31
ubuntujenkinsI am doing a ppa of quickshot not the cd12:32
humphreybchow are we going to share the CD?12:32
ubuntujenkinson the ubuntu manaul server12:32
humphreybctrue12:32
humphreybcbut you'll have to get it to kevin12:32
ubuntujenkinsI have to ftp to kevins pc12:33
humphreybcah okay12:33
humphreybcthat should work12:33
godbykI hate resolving conflicts. :-(12:38
godbykI've got a file that I marked resolved, but it just merged stuff together and it's a mess.12:39
ubuntujenkinsdon't worry i hate ppa's12:40
godbyk:)12:40
humphreybclol12:40
humphreybcaren't PPAs meant to be easy?12:40
godbykdownloading a fresh branch12:46
godbykit's huge!12:46
godbyk55 MB and only halfway done.12:46
ubuntujenkinshumphreybc: they will be easy with quickly 0.4 you currently choose which ppa it goes in12:48
humphreybcright12:48
humphreybcgodbyk, yea12:48
humphreybclol12:48
humphreybcthe manual branch is huge12:49
godbyk110 MB and still going12:49
humphreybconce we take all the website stuff out that might help12:49
godbyk145 MB total.12:49
godbykwebsite dir is 34 MB12:49
godbykpo dir is 24 MB12:49
godbykscreenshots is 11 MB12:50
humphreybcwow12:50
humphreybcthat's impressive12:50
humphreybci'm impressed12:50
humphreybcare you?12:50
ubuntujenkinsimagine once all the screenshots are in it12:51
humphreybc=|12:52
humphreybcwon't that be fun12:53
humphreybc11mb for each language12:53
ubuntujenkins550 mb12:53
humphreybcyea12:53
humphreybcfun12:53
humphreybcso our final branch will be a cool 600mb12:53
* nisshh doesnt want to know what the branch size is after the screenshots are all added12:53
ubuntujenkinswe don't ahev to merge in untill the last minute there is a screenshot main12:53
humphreybcme12:54
humphreybcmeh*12:54
* humphreybc hates to think how long it would take to download the branch then at 2KB/s12:54
humphreybc(which is how fast bzr goes for me most of the time)12:54
nisshhhehe, thats what bzr does sometimes12:55
nisshhbut mostly for me it does over 50kb/s12:56
humphreybchm12:56
humphreybci feel like i'm missing out lol12:56
nisshhhehe12:56
nisshhyour using bzr 2.1.0 yea?12:56
humphreybci think so12:56
nisshhthats the default in lucid12:57
humphreybc2.1.1 even12:57
nisshhyea12:58
humphreybci think it's my ISP12:58
humphreybcthey just don't like bzr12:58
nisshhhehe12:58
nisshhwho are you with?12:58
humphreybctelecom12:58
ubuntujenkinswhere do we want the quickshot release ppa ?12:59
nisshhhehe, you seem to have more problems than me and im with freakin telstra12:59
ubuntujenkinsmanual or quickshot teams12:59
nisshhquickshot tema12:59
nisshhteam12:59
nisshhi reckon13:00
nisshhlol, the progress bar is still at 71%13:00
humphreybcyeah quickshot team13:00
nisshhshould be a bit higher shouldnt it/13:00
humphreybcnisshh: it'll probably be that way for a few more days :P13:00
nisshhah right13:01
humphreybcnah13:01
humphreybctranslations make up at least 30%13:01
ubuntujenkinscool13:01
nisshhright13:02
nisshhwhen the next meeting btw?13:03
nisshhi think we need one during rc13:03
humphreybcRC is ages away13:06
humphreybcwe'll probably have a meeting next weekend13:06
nisshhok13:07
humphreybcdoes anyone know how many languages ubuntu supports/13:07
humphreybc?13:07
nisshhalot13:08
nisshhatleast 80 i think13:08
humphreybcah13:09
humphreybchttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/ReleaseLanguages/9.1013:09
humphreybcwould be hilarious if the manual supported more languages than the operating syste,13:09
humphreybcsystem*13:09
humphreybcwe might have more 100% complete languages than them :P13:10
humphreybcubuntu supports 244 languages in total, 25 of which are considered "translated"13:14
humphreybcie, 80% or above13:14
humphreybcso if we get 25 languages finished we'll be rockin13:14
humphreybckubuntu is scary13:45
godbykmy python script is finding lots of little nit-picky bugs.  gotta love scripts.13:46
godbykbasically, when I find a bug, I add it to my script so it can search for similar bugs.13:46
humphreybchaha neat13:49
nisshhnice13:49
* humphreybc is installing kubuntu 10.04 in a virtual box13:49
godbyksadly, it means I'm finding even more bugs.  :-/13:49
humphreybcit's weird13:49
humphreybclol13:49
* dutchie is reminded of Fibonacci's rabbits13:52
* humphreybc has already found inconsistencies in the Kubuntu installer13:53
* ubuntujenkins grr ppa build failed again13:56
humphreybclol13:56
humphreybcsounds like you're having a lot of fun with that PPA luke13:57
ubuntujenkins;(13:58
godbykI've done enough damage for tonight. I'm headed to bed.14:00
ubuntujenkinsnn godbyk14:01
humphreybcnight14:05
dutchieubuntujenkins: now imagine doing all the packaging by hand14:13
ubuntujenkinsdutchie: it almost impossible here so you must have had no end of fun14:14
dutchieI gave up reasonably quickly14:14
dutchieooh, I was going to file a needs-packaging bug14:14
ubuntujenkinsI am using quickly :P14:14
nisshhhumphreybc: are you trying out kde 4.4?14:33
nisshhcoz i already have14:33
humphreybcdoes that come with kubuntu 10.04?14:34
nisshhi beleive so14:35
nisshhi wrote a blog post about 4.4.1 SC14:35
nisshhyou should check it out14:35
nisshhultimately since i only have 1 machine im sticking wuth GNOME since i develop GTK apps14:36
nisshhbut holy crap kmail is better than evolution14:36
nisshhmy blog post is here:http://freakaboutlinux.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/trying-out-kde-4-4-1-sc/14:37
nisshhits not very in depth but it gives a general idea14:38
nisshhright, now im off to watch some newly downloaded movies14:38
* humphreybc is trying out Moovida. It's really cool, but sluggish on the open source radeon drivers. Kinda want to build a dedicated home media center now... will do that next year :D14:49
* ubuntujenkins is waiting for launchpad to build the package but has a bad feeling there is only a i368 version14:55
ubuntujenkinssee you all later o/15:06
ubuntujenkinsThe ppa worked woo16:45
ubuntujenkinstiteuf_87: can we make the screenshot list scrollable?16:52
titeuf_87Oh I thought it already was.16:53
titeuf_87I'll do that in just a little bit.16:53
ubuntujenkinsyou can do it with the down arrows but a scrollbar would be better16:54
ubuntujenkinsRed_HamsterX: ping16:54
ubuntujenkinsthanks titeuf_8716:54
titeuf_87Are there any other things that still needs to be done outside of what's written in the todo list?16:55
ubuntujenkinserm those three windows don't look the same. I am going to get the wiki sorted, the cd is done and the ppas are done16:56
titeuf_87The change resolution windows?16:56
ubuntujenkinsyep they look better but they still don't look the same16:57
titeuf_87Ah can you describe the differences? I'll take another look at those too.16:57
ubuntujenkinsThe one that warns you is fine, the other two the icons are to far to the left in comparison16:59
titeuf_87Ah ok.17:00
ubuntujenkinsthanks17:00
ubuntujenkinsthis came out of a question raised on quickshot The quickshot user isn't removed when the program is removed17:00
ubuntujenkinsI have added it to the todo list17:00
titeuf_87Should it be removed?17:00
ubuntujenkinsI will look into it and see if it is possible, maybe an option to remove it/17:01
ubuntujenkinslike when you except java licence agrement or configure grub.17:01
titeuf_87Usually when you uninstall an app you keep its config files in your home dir, I guess it's similar here and we shouldn't touch this?17:02
ubuntujenkinsthis was the original question https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot/+question/10521317:02
ubuntujenkinsgood point17:02
titeuf_87Bleh, glade file looks all messed up again.17:03
ubuntujenkinsthats why i haven't touched it17:04
ubuntujenkinsRed_HamsterX: humphreybc noticed a typo in the screenshot names, I haven't made the changes in the quickshot branch, how much code needs changing to fix it?17:04
titeuf_87ubuntujenkins, Do you still get prompted to change the resolution?17:22
ubuntujenkinsyes17:23
titeuf_87Weird, it doesn't for me anymore.17:24
ubuntujenkinswhat graphics are you on?17:24
titeuf_87nvidia17:24
ubuntujenkinslet me double check17:24
titeuf_87Ah think I found it, let me try it out.17:25
titeuf_87Ok, found what the problem was and fixed it too :)17:26
ubuntujenkinswhat was it ti works here17:27
titeuf_87In the detechgrahpics function, for nvidia it never called on_ok_changeres() like it should.17:27
ubuntujenkinsstrange how it works for me17:28
revberaldohello17:46
ubuntujenkinshello revberaldo17:46
revberaldocan anyone tell me where do I download the ubuntu manual source?17:46
revberaldoIt would be nice to have a kind of “latex visual reference”17:47
ubuntujenkinshave you used bzr before?17:47
revberaldonot really but I have used git17:47
dutchiethe branch is quite big, and we've got lots of helper commands17:47
ubuntujenkinshave a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/authors17:47
dutchieit's probably not your best example of vanilla LaTeX17:47
revberaldothank you, ubuntujenkins17:48
ubuntujenkinsthe total is 145mb17:48
revberaldodutchie I have some experience with latex17:48
revberaldoubuntujenkins my connection is fast enough :)17:48
revberaldo(but not that fast)17:48
dutchiestill, I don't think it'll be massively useful as a visual reference17:49
ubuntujenkinsI am at home with a sucky interent speed17:49
revberaldodutchie well, I'll try anyway...  I want to see what can I do with large LaTeX knowledge17:50
dutchiesure17:50
revberaldowell, thank you all17:51
ubuntujenkinsnp17:51
DakerHello18:55
Red_HamsterXtiteuf_87, Quickshot was used to capture all of the Firefox screencaps last night. It worked (almost) perfectly. :)19:48
Red_HamsterXMy last night.19:48
titeuf_87What didn't work?19:48
Red_HamsterX(UTC-7)19:48
Red_HamsterXIt's clipping one row of pixels from hte bottom of each window (I know how to fix this), and I needed to fix a few minor bugs, all of which were on my side.19:49
Red_HamsterXJust letting you know it's working. Great job. :)19:49
titeuf_87To show the reference screenshot, I'm thinking about just adding an extra button in the screenshot list.19:52
titeuf_87Probably not the best way for the UI-side, but it's the simplest way for now without changing too much.19:53
Red_HamsterXYeah, that's what I'd do.19:53
Red_HamsterXUntil we rebuild it based on user feedback.19:53
titeuf_87April was the deadline right?19:53
ubuntujenkinshell guys19:54
Red_HamsterXI think that's the target, yes.19:54
Red_HamsterXA wonderful Hades to you, too, ubuntujenkins.19:54
titeuf_87Hey ubuntujenkins19:54
ubuntujenkinshow are we doing?19:55
Red_HamsterXI should be done with backend stuff today, so I'll start taking care of any usability issues added to the Etherpad after that.19:55
Red_HamsterXWe're doing well.19:55
Red_HamsterXQuickshot works in practice.19:55
ubuntujenkinsI am liking the list of stuff for future releases19:57
Red_HamsterXFeel free to add/comment/ctiricise.19:57
Red_HamsterXI just came up with that while waking up.19:57
titeuf_87The 31st and the 1st I won't be around as I'm going to be two days at the MS Tech Days, just letting you all know cause I won't be able to work on quickshot then.19:57
Red_HamsterX(To delay having to do taxes, which I'm doing now)19:57
dutchietiteuf_87: freedom hater ;)19:57
ubuntujenkinsI like it a lot, I am going to add some stuff to the devel flag so that a normal run will check if you are using lucid or not19:58
Red_HamsterXCan't own the opposition without knowing what they're doing. =P19:58
ubuntujenkinswe don't want people taking screenshots in karmic19:58
titeuf_87dutchie, I'm tempted to wear my gnome shirt, but I don't think my work would really appreciate that :(19:58
dutchieheh19:59
ubuntujenkinsbut with the devel flag you can run it on any system. Does that seam a good idea or is there a better way of doing it?19:59
Red_HamsterXIt seems like a good enough way of doing it.19:59
Red_HamsterXThat or --debug.20:00
ubuntujenkinswhat are you guys running?20:00
ubuntujenkinsI am on lucid20:00
titeuf_87karmic for me20:01
Red_HamsterXDebian testing for most development, Karmic for things like the server, and Lucid for testing.20:01
Red_HamsterXI use Debian for most things.20:02
ubuntujenkinsas we have to use the devel flag to run the latest version i think it makes sense to put it in with that?20:02
Red_HamsterX--devel currently ony changes how the quickshot user gets set up.20:03
Red_HamsterXonly*20:03
Red_HamsterXEither flag's good. I'm running with both of them.20:03
Red_HamsterXWe don't really have a design standard yet.20:04
ubuntujenkinsI haven't run debug yet must see what it is like20:05
titeuf_87It just spams your console.20:06
Red_HamsterXIt just spams the console with status printouts.20:06
Red_HamsterXIt's useful if you need to trace the path the program is taking.20:08
ubuntujenkinsok cool20:10
ubuntujenkinsRed_HamsterX: in the dictonary  file why is the command have ~ on the next line?20:19
ubuntujenkinsnautilus20:19
ubuntujenkins~20:19
titeuf_87The ~ is synonym for your home dir. So that command will open nautilus on your home directory.20:20
Red_HamsterXEach line represents a separate token.20:21
Red_HamsterXSo we don't have to escape everything.20:21
Red_HamsterXAside from that, what titeuf_87 said.20:21
ubuntujenkinsok make sense, ~ means home20:22
Red_HamsterX~<username> means <username>'s home.20:23
donriEww, they made the power switch red?20:23
dutchiedonri: only when you have to reboot20:23
donriOh!20:23
Red_HamsterX~flan == /home/flan on a default setup.20:23
* donri is mid-update.20:23
Red_HamsterX~root would be /root on a Debian system.20:23
dutchieand on an ubuntu system too20:24
ubuntujenkinsIts such a random symbol to use, I can't think of a better one though20:24
Red_HamsterXIt's a convenient shortcut for scripting.20:24
Red_HamsterXIt's been around forever.20:24
Red_HamsterXSince, like, the inception of Unix.20:24
Red_HamsterXYou see it in Apache a lot.20:24
Red_HamsterXhttp://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan on my home server links to /home/flan/public_html20:25
Red_HamsterXAh, you're right, dutchie. I forgot that root was defined on Ubuntu.20:25
dutchieThis practice derives from the Lear-Siegler ADM-3A terminal in common use during the 1970s, which happened to have the tilde symbol and the word "Home" (for moving the cursor to the upper left) on the same key.20:26
dutchieaccording to WP20:26
Red_HamsterX(I thought it was actually left out of /etc/passwd, rather than merely being deprived of a password)20:26
Red_HamsterX(I dunno why I thought this, though, given that root can own things)20:26
ubuntujenkinshas anyone heard from mattgriffin?20:32
ubuntujenkinsJust added a few bits to the dictionary20:39
Red_HamsterX'Kay. They'll get auto-pulled in twenty minutes.20:40
Red_HamsterX(Or I can force it if you want to test)20:40
ubuntujenkinsno only little things here and there20:42
Red_HamsterXLike replacing my "Dunno, lawl"s?20:43
ubuntujenkinsYep and any missing commands20:44
Red_HamsterXYay.20:44
ubuntujenkinsIf i show the user a link how can i make it click able (in a python window)20:57
titeuf_87Isn't there a special kind of label for that?20:58
ubuntujenkinspossibly I am changing a current label when the user launches and the are not using lucid. It will point them at the wiki and the live cd20:59
titeuf_87ubuntujenkins, from what I can find in glade, you'll need to use a linkbutton21:02
ubuntujenkinsthats what i just discovered, I will have to add an extra lable21:03
donriDoes pango markup support anchor links?21:03
titeuf_87I'm not sure donri21:05
donriQuite sure I've seen links mid-labels with Gtk.21:08
* ubuntujenkins googles what donri said21:08
Red_HamsterXYou could try it. (I'd volunteer, but I'm almost done with one of the more painful tax forms)21:08
ubuntujenkinshow do i set pango mark up for the label? It is already set in glade but doesn't work when you change the label text21:55
titeuf_87try label.set_markup?21:56
ubuntujenkinsI will have a go21:57
ubuntujenkinsnight all o/22:05
titeuf_87Goodnight ubuntujenkins.22:05
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