Red_HamsterX | Bleh... I dunno what, if anything, I can do for the current PyWeek. | 00:13 |
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Red_HamsterX | Ooh. Quickshot is working well. | 02:44 |
Red_HamsterX | And Alstroemeria CDs make for great programming music. | 02:45 |
Red_HamsterX | Looks like Metacity returns decoration information slightly differently under Lucid... | 03:05 |
Red_HamsterX | All Firefox-related screencaps successfully taken and uploaded using Quickshot. | 03:26 |
Red_HamsterX | (A number of small bugs were worked out in the process, hence the time taken) | 03:26 |
godbyk | The Internet here is still being really flaky, but I'm around if around if anyone needs me. | 03:56 |
humphreybc | what's poppin' ya'll | 07:03 |
godbyk | humphreybc: 'bout time you showed up! :) | 07:05 |
humphreybc | haha, i've been enjoying my lazy sunda | 07:05 |
humphreybc | sunday* | 07:05 |
humphreybc | then I had an interesting experience | 07:05 |
godbyk | oh yeah? | 07:05 |
humphreybc | I tried to enable some transparency for pidgin | 07:06 |
godbyk | uh oh | 07:06 |
humphreybc | just for the buddy list, by using compiz | 07:06 |
humphreybc | I selected the pidgin buddy list window | 07:06 |
humphreybc | compiz turned my entire computer transparent | 07:06 |
humphreybc | panels, all windows, my docks disappeared | 07:06 |
godbyk | heh | 07:06 |
godbyk | awesome | 07:06 |
humphreybc | so I went into a virtual terminal | 07:06 |
humphreybc | removed the compiz config files in my home directory and restarted X | 07:07 |
humphreybc | that didn't work | 07:07 |
humphreybc | restarted computer, that didn't work | 07:07 |
humphreybc | so I figured I should run a metacity --replace command | 07:07 |
humphreybc | tried that in a virtual terminal and got an error saying that X wasn't loaded (because I was in a virtual terminal) | 07:07 |
humphreybc | so, I blindly opened up a terminal by using my keyboard shortcut and typed in the command slowly, even though i couldn't see it... it worked | 07:08 |
humphreybc | disabled the opacity plugin for compiz and restarted X, success | 07:08 |
humphreybc | it was pretty funny though because I had all my windows open, and could grab them/resize them and stuff but they were invisible | 07:08 |
godbyk | nice | 07:09 |
humphreybc | yeah | 07:09 |
humphreybc | so what's new? | 07:09 |
godbyk | I'm currently spell-checking our manual. | 07:09 |
humphreybc | oh fun | 07:09 |
godbyk | Loads. | 07:09 |
humphreybc | using aspell? | 07:09 |
humphreybc | or by hand/eye? | 07:10 |
godbyk | It strikes me that we need to establish a really comprehensive style guide for the manual. | 07:10 |
humphreybc | yea | 07:10 |
humphreybc | that was the plan | 07:10 |
godbyk | It's probably too late to create one for this edition, but we should definitely add that to our TODO list for the next edition. | 07:10 |
humphreybc | never eventuated | 07:10 |
humphreybc | yup | 07:10 |
humphreybc | did you see some of the stuff that Martin Lukes did? | 07:11 |
godbyk | Also, you're totally gonna lose that bet. :) | 07:11 |
godbyk | Which stuff? | 07:11 |
humphreybc | I better not | 07:11 |
humphreybc | check the mailing list | 07:11 |
humphreybc | unless he just sent it to me | 07:11 |
humphreybc | nah the list | 07:11 |
humphreybc | http://etherpad.com/Dws558WVvc | 07:11 |
godbyk | oh, the manual for manual thing? | 07:11 |
humphreybc | he made this | 07:11 |
humphreybc | yea | 07:11 |
godbyk | yeah, I saw that. | 07:11 |
humphreybc | by trawling through our ML messages :D | 07:11 |
godbyk | most of that will be incorporated into the style guide. | 07:11 |
humphreybc | yea | 07:12 |
godbyk | latex-handout.pdf was supposed to be the start of a style guide, but I didn't spend the time needed to really get it fleshed out completely. | 07:12 |
humphreybc | it's a good list of stuff though | 07:12 |
humphreybc | that's okay | 07:12 |
humphreybc | we have other things to worry about, as you said it's too late but next release we'll have 6 months | 07:12 |
humphreybc | instead of 3 :) | 07:12 |
godbyk | can we just pretend this initial release doesn't count as much? :-) | 07:13 |
godbyk | (so many little bugs!) | 07:13 |
humphreybc | lol | 07:13 |
humphreybc | well I anticipate we'll get a shitload of interest after this release | 07:13 |
godbyk | a lot of the bugs I'm seeing are more style issues that I didn't bring up before. | 07:13 |
Red_HamsterX | Learning experience. =P | 07:13 |
humphreybc | sure | 07:13 |
humphreybc | hey, we can't be perfect, we've done bloody well | 07:13 |
humphreybc | i'm sure everyone appreciates that | 07:13 |
humphreybc | so don't fret too much | 07:14 |
godbyk | I know, I know. Still, it bugs me when I see typos or errors in my books. :) | 07:14 |
humphreybc | what we've got now is already beyond any expectation anyone ever had | 07:14 |
humphreybc | hehe | 07:14 |
humphreybc | your books huh? | 07:14 |
humphreybc | :P | 07:14 |
godbyk | as in 'books I own'. | 07:14 |
humphreybc | rigt | 07:14 |
humphreybc | sure sure :P | 07:14 |
godbyk | although it applies doubly to books I've been involved with producing. :) | 07:14 |
humphreybc | fair enough | 07:14 |
humphreybc | i'm the same | 07:14 |
humphreybc | we have a lot of work to do, that's for sure | 07:15 |
humphreybc | but that's good, it'll keep us busy and keep people interested and willing to help | 07:15 |
godbyk | also, I think I found a typo/error in the CC license (the original on the website). | 07:15 |
humphreybc | unlike the *cough* docs team *cough* | 07:15 |
humphreybc | O rly? | 07:15 |
godbyk | I asked about it in #cc, but haven't had a response yet. | 07:15 |
godbyk | yeah, | 07:15 |
godbyk | in section 1(b), they refer to section 1(f) but I think they meant to refer to section 1(h). | 07:15 |
humphreybc | ok | 07:16 |
godbyk | exciting, no? | 07:16 |
humphreybc | indeed | 07:17 |
humphreybc | hey cool people are starting to post irrelevant ads and links on our facebook page | 07:19 |
humphreybc | which means we're becoming famous | 07:19 |
godbyk | lol | 07:20 |
godbyk | how's our bug spreadsheet doing? | 07:20 |
godbyk | do we still have a ton left to fix? | 07:20 |
humphreybc | "Abdel Hakim Hakim Mouhoubi" has spammed pretty much all of our wall posts with this link: "www.livequaran.org" | 07:20 |
humphreybc | i'll give you one guess | 07:20 |
humphreybc | i'm going to kick him off our page | 07:20 |
humphreybc | i'm never going to find him in our fan list | 07:21 |
humphreybc | we have 750 now | 07:21 |
humphreybc | oh no wait | 07:22 |
humphreybc | he posted directly on our oage | 07:22 |
humphreybc | page* | 07:22 |
humphreybc | so i can "report and block this person from this page and remove everything he has posted" | 07:22 |
humphreybc | thanks facebook! | 07:22 |
humphreybc | sorry Abdel Hakim Hakim Mouhoubi, but we're not that interested in your live quaran :) | 07:23 |
godbyk | nice | 07:24 |
godbyk | facebook is actually helpful for once | 07:24 |
humphreybc | yeah | 07:25 |
humphreybc | it's actually a really crap website | 07:26 |
humphreybc | they duplicate so much stuff | 07:26 |
humphreybc | but just like windows, people only use it because everyone else does :D | 07:26 |
humphreybc | ... at least it's better than bebo or mysapce, though | 07:26 |
humphreybc | myspace* | 07:26 |
humphreybc | myspace is awful | 07:27 |
godbyk | so true | 07:28 |
godbyk | there are TONS of comments in these .tex files. | 07:30 |
godbyk | we should really remove the ones that don't matter anymore. | 07:30 |
humphreybc | yeah | 07:30 |
humphreybc | that's what i've been doing | 07:30 |
godbyk | means less text to get in the way when I'm spell-checking and reading. | 07:30 |
humphreybc | is automount installed/enabled in ubuntu server edition by default? | 07:30 |
godbyk | no clue | 07:30 |
humphreybc | nvm found it | 07:31 |
godbyk | Is 'gedit' the proper capitalization? | 07:31 |
humphreybc | yes | 07:31 |
godbyk | k | 07:32 |
humphreybc | i'm downloading the Kubuntu 10.04 beta1 | 07:33 |
humphreybc | gonna try it out in a vbox/live CD | 07:33 |
humphreybc | never really looked into it too much | 07:33 |
humphreybc | i tried 9.04 and found it too be really cluttered and inconsistent | 07:33 |
humphreybc | plus i don't really like all my apps beginning with k | 07:34 |
humphreybc | it looks silly and amateur | 07:34 |
godbyk | g is much better than k. :) | 07:36 |
humphreybc | well not even that, i just wish app developers would come up with their own names | 07:38 |
humphreybc | the menus can look hideous at times | 07:38 |
godbyk | I think I'm going to start making notes for our style guide as I fix things. | 07:41 |
godbyk | easier than thinking of them later. | 07:41 |
godbyk | I'm also writing a python script right now to help me track down some frequent bugs. | 07:43 |
humphreybc | neat | 07:44 |
humphreybc | haha, the many uses of python | 07:44 |
godbyk | we also need to get the glossary and index up to speed. | 07:46 |
godbyk | so much work to do! | 07:46 |
humphreybc | i know! | 07:48 |
humphreybc | i'm going to go through this evening and make all the captions nice | 07:48 |
godbyk | I haven't even looked at daker's test site to proofread that yet. | 07:53 |
godbyk | New rule: If you see a spot in the manual that's obvious unfinished, or needs attention, put a \todo{Note goes here} there. That way it'll show up in the PDF and we'll see it. | 07:54 |
godbyk | I'm trying to make a list of the formatting bugs, too. I'll deal with those after the writing freeze. | 07:55 |
godbyk | Though basically anything we touch in the .tex file will impact the translators, won't it? | 07:55 |
godbyk | might have to branch or something. :-/ | 07:55 |
humphreybc | kk | 07:58 |
humphreybc | u, | 07:58 |
humphreybc | um* | 07:58 |
humphreybc | the comments should be excluded? | 07:58 |
humphreybc | oh wait | 07:58 |
humphreybc | AFTER writing freeze | 07:58 |
godbyk | the comments are, yet. | 07:58 |
humphreybc | um | 07:58 |
godbyk | wait, what? | 07:58 |
godbyk | you're confusing me. start over. :) | 07:59 |
humphreybc | yeah i'm going to be really strict on the writing freeze | 07:59 |
humphreybc | so you may have to branch | 07:59 |
humphreybc | i've been proof reading dakers test site | 07:59 |
humphreybc | we went through it together yesterday | 07:59 |
humphreybc | he's still got a couple of mistakes | 08:00 |
humphreybc | but it's getting there | 08:00 |
godbyk | did you fix the missing apostrophe in 'beginner's guide'? | 08:00 |
humphreybc | maybe | 08:01 |
humphreybc | no | 08:02 |
humphreybc | haha | 08:02 |
humphreybc | so who else from UMP will be attending UDS? | 08:04 |
humphreybc | I presume thorwil will be going | 08:04 |
godbyk | no clue. | 08:04 |
godbyk | have you heard if you're going yet or not? | 08:04 |
humphreybc | nope, haven't heard yet | 08:04 |
humphreybc | i guess it'll be announced sometime this week or next | 08:05 |
humphreybc | jono and crew will have a lot of applications to go through | 08:05 |
humphreybc | i really hope i go | 08:05 |
humphreybc | you'll have to participate remotely | 08:06 |
humphreybc | especially if we have a meeting with the docs/learning team etc | 08:06 |
godbyk | definitely. | 08:07 |
humphreybc | cool | 08:07 |
humphreybc | we'll try to get a good UMP representation in those meetings | 08:07 |
nisshh | hey | 08:34 |
nisshh | time to rock | 08:34 |
humphreybc | hey nisshh | 08:34 |
nisshh | hey | 08:35 |
nisshh | i have 21 glossary entries lines up | 08:35 |
nisshh | hope to get them all done today | 08:35 |
godbyk | nisshh: heh.. I'm adding more glossary TODOs as we speak. :) | 08:36 |
godbyk | at some point, we need to look at indexing, too. | 08:36 |
nisshh | godbyk: hehe, you always crash the party! | 08:36 |
godbyk | :) | 08:37 |
nisshh | indexing? | 08:37 |
humphreybc | the index | 08:37 |
humphreybc | :P | 08:37 |
humphreybc | 3 days till writing freeze... fun times | 08:37 |
nisshh | right, what exactly goes in the index | 08:37 |
humphreybc | key words used throughout the manual | 08:37 |
humphreybc | with page numbers that are linked | 08:37 |
humphreybc | check it out in the book | 08:37 |
humphreybc | it's on the last page | 08:37 |
nisshh | kk | 08:38 |
humphreybc | you must have come across indexes before in other book | 08:38 |
humphreybc | books* | 08:38 |
nisshh | oh, who made the makefile awesome with colors and stuff | 08:38 |
godbyk | that was me. | 08:38 |
nisshh | looks wicked and is much easier to use | 08:38 |
nisshh | nice work godbyk | 08:38 |
godbyk | thanks. | 08:38 |
humphreybc | lol | 08:38 |
godbyk | I need to reclassify some of the warnings as errors, though, so they stand out more. | 08:39 |
humphreybc | i wondered why it became pretty | 08:39 |
nisshh | hehe | 08:39 |
nisshh | much easier to tell if make was successful now | 08:39 |
godbyk | Well, if it's not successful, it'll stop the presses and tell you about it. | 08:40 |
nisshh | yes | 08:41 |
nisshh | just noticed apt-get is there twice in the index | 08:43 |
godbyk | nisshh: I only see it once (as a main entry). | 08:45 |
godbyk | All of the applications and command-line apps are listed under then own name and under the heading 'applications' or 'command-line applications' right now. | 08:45 |
nisshh | yea, theres one under vlc and one under command line | 08:46 |
jaminday | humphreybc: ping | 08:58 |
humphreybc | jaminday: pong | 09:00 |
nisshh | hehe, still find that funny | 09:00 |
jaminday | humphreybc: hehe hey there - i'm just on my way out but thought i'd catch you real quick | 09:01 |
humphreybc | sure | 09:01 |
humphreybc | fire away | 09:01 |
jaminday | how are you going with editing your chapterrs - have any spare time? | 09:01 |
jaminday | *chapters | 09:01 |
humphreybc | i'm getting there | 09:01 |
humphreybc | haven't had a huge amount of time these last couple of days | 09:01 |
humphreybc | what's up? | 09:01 |
jaminday | yeah me too. I've just been doing bits when i can. | 09:01 |
jaminday | Chapter 3 still has a ton of editing needing to be done though | 09:02 |
jaminday | and not sure i'll have time to look at it properly | 09:02 |
nisshh | godbyk: we talked about this the other day but i forgot which way around to put the \gls command if it interfered with another | 09:02 |
humphreybc | jaminday: it's on my list | 09:02 |
nisshh | like: \smallcaps{GNOME} | 09:02 |
godbyk | nisshh: The \gls command goes on the inside. | 09:02 |
humphreybc | i'll try to get it done by tuesday | 09:02 |
jaminday | humphreybc: ok cool. You want me to focus mainly on the chapters before this then? | 09:02 |
godbyk | To \emph{\gls{word}} | 09:02 |
nisshh | godbyk: thanks | 09:02 |
godbyk | np | 09:03 |
humphreybc | i think focus needs to be on 5+ | 09:03 |
jaminday | chapter 5? | 09:03 |
humphreybc | chapter 5 and up | 09:03 |
jaminday | ah ok | 09:03 |
humphreybc | so 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 | 09:03 |
jaminday | yeah i haven't looked at them for ages | 09:03 |
humphreybc | 5 is quite important as it deals with the software center | 09:03 |
humphreybc | so make that your priority | 09:03 |
godbyk | I think the later chapters have probably had less focus by our OMG proofreaders, too. | 09:03 |
humphreybc | plus godbyk was reading through it the other day and said it needs a lot of work | 09:04 |
godbyk | So they likely need more attention. | 09:04 |
humphreybc | yeah | 09:04 |
humphreybc | good point | 09:04 |
jaminday | ok. There is still some work needing to be written on partitioning in chapter 1, but otherwise pro, 1 and 2 are nearing completion | 09:04 |
humphreybc | yeah i'll get there with the partitioning | 09:04 |
humphreybc | actually | 09:04 |
humphreybc | i might need some help with that | 09:04 |
humphreybc | i can't remember much about the partitioning big | 09:04 |
humphreybc | bit* | 09:05 |
jaminday | Yeah - the manual partitioning stuff will be hard to make newbie friendly | 09:05 |
humphreybc | yeah | 09:05 |
jaminday | ok - well anyway i have to head out | 09:05 |
humphreybc | okay | 09:05 |
jaminday | i'm about to push a few minor changes, will this stuff anyone up? | 09:05 |
humphreybc | enjoy your evening, we'll be slaving away here | 09:05 |
humphreybc | nah it shouldn't | 09:06 |
jaminday | humphreybc: hehe | 09:06 |
nisshh | might stuff me up | 09:06 |
jaminday | nisshh: ah really | 09:06 |
humphreybc | nisshh: you push first | 09:06 |
nisshh | yea im doing glassry work | 09:06 |
nisshh | ok hang on a sec | 09:06 |
jaminday | ok | 09:06 |
jaminday | maybe i'll wait till i get back? | 09:07 |
nisshh | no 1 sec | 09:07 |
godbyk | jaminday: I've got a ton of minor changes, so it won't matter much to me. :) | 09:07 |
jaminday | ok | 09:07 |
jaminday | godbyk: glad to hear it ;-) | 09:08 |
godbyk | so many changes! | 09:08 |
godbyk | So far: | 09:08 |
godbyk | Help/godbyk/latex-handout/latex-handout.tex | 15 +++++ | 09:08 |
godbyk | around-desktop/around-desktop.tex | 8 +- | 09:08 |
godbyk | backmatter/license-en.tex | 50 +++++++++--------- | 09:08 |
godbyk | command-line/command-line.tex | 76 ++++++++++++++-------------- | 09:08 |
godbyk | default-apps/browsingtheweb.tex | 24 ++++---- | 09:08 |
godbyk | default-apps/default-apps.tex | 2 | 09:08 |
godbyk | default-apps/gettingonline.tex | 4 - | 09:08 |
godbyk | main.tex | 1 | 09:09 |
godbyk | prefs-hardware/other.tex | 2 | 09:09 |
godbyk | ubuntu-manual.cls | 9 ++- | 09:09 |
godbyk | 10 files changed, 107 insertions(+), 84 deletions(-) | 09:09 |
nisshh | jaminday: ok you can push now | 09:09 |
humphreybc | lol | 09:09 |
nisshh | maybe you should pull first though | 09:09 |
jaminday | wow | 09:09 |
jaminday | nisshh: | 09:09 |
jaminday | hehe | 09:09 |
humphreybc | good times had by all | 09:09 |
jaminday | nisshh: ok | 09:09 |
nisshh | cool | 09:09 |
nisshh | humphreybc: 5 glossary entries finished | 09:10 |
humphreybc | in the future, if anyones' wife/gf is having a baby it is now mandatory to scream "PULL BEFORE YOU PUSH" when they're giving birth | 09:10 |
nisshh | hehe, ok | 09:10 |
humphreybc | nisshh: schwing! | 09:10 |
jaminday | humphreybc: ha classic | 09:10 |
jaminday | I love that 'no conflicts generated' window. Makes me happy. | 09:10 |
nisshh | that should be an official bzr joke | 09:10 |
nisshh | jaminday: so push to lp went ok? | 09:11 |
humphreybc | someone broke the make though | 09:11 |
jaminday | hehe i tried to push without committing, so no | 09:12 |
nisshh | lol | 09:12 |
jaminday | ah there we go | 09:12 |
jaminday | ok gotta run! | 09:12 |
jaminday | by all... | 09:12 |
humphreybc | nisshh: did you compile before pushing? | 09:12 |
nisshh | cya | 09:12 |
humphreybc | "is called \smallcaps{\gls{GNOME}}" is throwing an error | 09:12 |
humphreybc | chow jamin | 09:12 |
nisshh | i ran make clean before pushing | 09:12 |
nisshh | hmmmm gimme a sec | 09:13 |
humphreybc | you should probably run make before pushing, then make clean | 09:13 |
humphreybc | to ensure it actually compiles | 09:13 |
godbyk | lol | 09:13 |
nisshh | hehe, i had it compiled just before i pushed | 09:14 |
nisshh | just obviously worked ok for me | 09:14 |
humphreybc | lol | 09:14 |
nisshh | godbyk: why is it throwing that error? | 09:15 |
godbyk | Hmm.. not sure. | 09:15 |
nisshh | i seem to have done the syntax right | 09:15 |
godbyk | what's the error? | 09:15 |
nisshh | where i put \gls{GNOME} | 09:16 |
nisshh | inside smallcaps{} | 09:16 |
nisshh | it saysl.40 ...ronments is called \smallcaps{\gls{GNOME}} , which is used by default... | 09:17 |
nisshh | do you want it removed for now? | 09:17 |
nisshh | godbyk:? | 09:20 |
godbyk | Sure, go ahead and remove it for now. | 09:20 |
nisshh | ok | 09:21 |
godbyk | File a bug or remind me to look at it after a bit. | 09:21 |
godbyk | (Or just stick a \todo{Kevin, look at the GNOME glossary entry link.} in places of the \gls command._ | 09:21 |
nisshh | ok | 09:22 |
nisshh | testing it now | 09:22 |
humphreybc | cool | 09:23 |
nisshh | it is kind of inconsistent where someone has smallcapsed all the DE names in around-desktop, but nowhere else in the chapter | 09:24 |
godbyk | wow.. everyone's joining the party now! | 09:24 |
nisshh | or whole manua; | 09:24 |
godbyk | nisshh: yeah, I've been fixing them when I see them. | 09:24 |
nisshh | godbyk: which way is prefered? | 09:25 |
humphreybc | GNOME is all caps | 09:25 |
humphreybc | KDE is all caps | 09:25 |
humphreybc | so XFCE | 09:25 |
humphreybc | actually all of them are all caps | 09:25 |
nisshh | sorry you misunderstood | 09:25 |
nisshh | i mean someone has done \smallcaps{GNOME} in around desktop | 09:25 |
humphreybc | oh right | 09:26 |
nisshh | but nowhere else in the manual at all | 09:26 |
nisshh | its extremely inconsistent | 09:26 |
godbyk | where is my python guru? | 09:26 |
humphreybc | godbyk, what do you want to know? | 09:27 |
godbyk | I want to apply a regular expression to a line of text and if it matches, print something out. | 09:27 |
godbyk | easy enough to do. | 09:27 |
godbyk | figured I'd ask instead of looking it up. :) | 09:27 |
humphreybc | what do you mean apply a regular expression? | 09:27 |
godbyk | (if anyone's around who knows right off.) | 09:27 |
godbyk | I want to see it there are any matches in the line of text. | 09:28 |
humphreybc | ah right | 09:28 |
humphreybc | i'm not sure what the function name is | 09:28 |
nisshh | ok, if everyone pulls now they have the fix | 09:28 |
godbyk | I think re.search will do it. | 09:28 |
godbyk | nisshh: thanks | 09:29 |
nisshh | np | 09:29 |
humphreybc | sweet, so just assign it to something and then run the function on the string in an if statement | 09:29 |
nisshh | im trying to write a description for MeMenu, except i havent used it much, can someone with more experience give me a hand? | 09:55 |
nisshh | nevermind, its done | 10:03 |
nisshh | hey ubuntujenkins | 10:11 |
ubuntujenkins | hey nisshh | 10:11 |
nisshh | everything is coming along nicely | 10:12 |
ubuntujenkins | thats great, quickshot is doing we to | 10:13 |
ubuntujenkins | *well | 10:13 |
nisshh | good | 10:15 |
nisshh | humphreybc: finished descrptions for another 10 or so glossary entries | 10:24 |
humphreybc | nisshh: fantasticx | 10:24 |
humphreybc | without the x | 10:24 |
ubuntujenkins_ | humphreybc: I am planning to do some quickshot wikii stuff today, have you done any? I don't want to double up on your work | 10:27 |
ubuntujenkins_ | also the quickshot cd is down to 692 mb | 10:28 |
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nisshh | ubuntujenkins: quickshot cd? | 10:30 |
ubuntujenkins | nisshh: there is a cut down version of lucid on a cd with the quickshot program so that people can take screenshots with out installing lucid | 10:33 |
nisshh | ah, cool | 10:34 |
ubuntujenkins | and it has all of the lanuage packs that the manual is in on it | 10:35 |
ubuntujenkins | I will be back just swapping to the wifi | 10:37 |
nisshh | ok | 10:39 |
nisshh | sounds really cool | 10:39 |
nisshh | also just pushed more work to lp | 10:40 |
ubuntujenkins_ | kk | 10:40 |
ubuntujenkins_ | humphreybc: why did you remove the rhythambox screenshots but not the \screenshot command? | 10:41 |
humphreybc | ubuntujenkins: they were spelt wrong so i just adjusted the command and the filename | 11:03 |
ubuntujenkins | I don't think you did bzr add then | 11:04 |
humphreybc | oh maybe not | 11:05 |
ubuntujenkins | also have you done any quickshot wiki stuff? | 11:05 |
humphreybc | just pushing now | 11:07 |
humphreybc | nope, I haven't updated ubuntu-manual/quickshot in some time | 11:08 |
humphreybc | you may want to update it | 11:08 |
ubuntujenkins | thanks I can never spell rhythambox | 11:08 |
ubuntujenkins | I am updating the wiki to day in prep for the release | 11:08 |
humphreybc | cool | 11:09 |
ubuntujenkins | didn't want to double up on any work you had done | 11:09 |
humphreybc | nah that's cool, thanks for asking | 11:10 |
humphreybc | go for it though | 11:10 |
ubuntujenkins | who made the wiki buttons? | 11:10 |
humphreybc | I made the original ones and then daker made some new ones | 11:10 |
ubuntujenkins | cool I will see if i need any | 11:10 |
ubuntujenkins | Red_HamsterX: ping | 11:10 |
godbyk | I pushed a bunch of my edits. | 11:46 |
godbyk | more to come. | 11:46 |
humphreybc | ubuntujenkins: hey, have you got a quickshot live CD image for me to test? | 12:27 |
ubuntujenkins | humphreybc: I have an image but its not got quickshot on it thats a 2 min job, but how do i get it to you? | 12:28 |
humphreybc | hm | 12:28 |
humphreybc | is it 700mb? | 12:28 |
ubuntujenkins | 692mb | 12:28 |
humphreybc | http://www.mediafire.com/ ? | 12:28 |
humphreybc | or ubuntu one account? | 12:29 |
ubuntujenkins | ubuntu one/dropbox have file size limits | 12:29 |
humphreybc | dropbox? | 12:29 |
humphreybc | oh really | 12:29 |
humphreybc | that sucks | 12:29 |
ubuntujenkins | I will try and sort it today, just working on a ppa I will drop you an e-mail so that you have it when you get up | 12:30 |
ubuntujenkins | the image that is | 12:30 |
ubuntujenkins | ok humphreybc media fire is no good 200mb file size limit | 12:31 |
humphreybc | okay | 12:31 |
humphreybc | yeah PPA should work | 12:31 |
ubuntujenkins | I am doing a ppa of quickshot not the cd | 12:32 |
humphreybc | how are we going to share the CD? | 12:32 |
ubuntujenkins | on the ubuntu manaul server | 12:32 |
humphreybc | true | 12:32 |
humphreybc | but you'll have to get it to kevin | 12:32 |
ubuntujenkins | I have to ftp to kevins pc | 12:33 |
humphreybc | ah okay | 12:33 |
humphreybc | that should work | 12:33 |
godbyk | I hate resolving conflicts. :-( | 12:38 |
godbyk | I've got a file that I marked resolved, but it just merged stuff together and it's a mess. | 12:39 |
ubuntujenkins | don't worry i hate ppa's | 12:40 |
godbyk | :) | 12:40 |
humphreybc | lol | 12:40 |
humphreybc | aren't PPAs meant to be easy? | 12:40 |
godbyk | downloading a fresh branch | 12:46 |
godbyk | it's huge! | 12:46 |
godbyk | 55 MB and only halfway done. | 12:46 |
ubuntujenkins | humphreybc: they will be easy with quickly 0.4 you currently choose which ppa it goes in | 12:48 |
humphreybc | right | 12:48 |
humphreybc | godbyk, yea | 12:48 |
humphreybc | lol | 12:48 |
humphreybc | the manual branch is huge | 12:49 |
godbyk | 110 MB and still going | 12:49 |
humphreybc | once we take all the website stuff out that might help | 12:49 |
godbyk | 145 MB total. | 12:49 |
godbyk | website dir is 34 MB | 12:49 |
godbyk | po dir is 24 MB | 12:49 |
godbyk | screenshots is 11 MB | 12:50 |
humphreybc | wow | 12:50 |
humphreybc | that's impressive | 12:50 |
humphreybc | i'm impressed | 12:50 |
humphreybc | are you? | 12:50 |
ubuntujenkins | imagine once all the screenshots are in it | 12:51 |
humphreybc | =| | 12:52 |
humphreybc | won't that be fun | 12:53 |
humphreybc | 11mb for each language | 12:53 |
ubuntujenkins | 550 mb | 12:53 |
humphreybc | yea | 12:53 |
humphreybc | fun | 12:53 |
humphreybc | so our final branch will be a cool 600mb | 12:53 |
* nisshh doesnt want to know what the branch size is after the screenshots are all added | 12:53 | |
ubuntujenkins | we don't ahev to merge in untill the last minute there is a screenshot main | 12:53 |
humphreybc | me | 12:54 |
humphreybc | meh* | 12:54 |
* humphreybc hates to think how long it would take to download the branch then at 2KB/s | 12:54 | |
humphreybc | (which is how fast bzr goes for me most of the time) | 12:54 |
nisshh | hehe, thats what bzr does sometimes | 12:55 |
nisshh | but mostly for me it does over 50kb/s | 12:56 |
humphreybc | hm | 12:56 |
humphreybc | i feel like i'm missing out lol | 12:56 |
nisshh | hehe | 12:56 |
nisshh | your using bzr 2.1.0 yea? | 12:56 |
humphreybc | i think so | 12:56 |
nisshh | thats the default in lucid | 12:57 |
humphreybc | 2.1.1 even | 12:57 |
nisshh | yea | 12:58 |
humphreybc | i think it's my ISP | 12:58 |
humphreybc | they just don't like bzr | 12:58 |
nisshh | hehe | 12:58 |
nisshh | who are you with? | 12:58 |
humphreybc | telecom | 12:58 |
ubuntujenkins | where do we want the quickshot release ppa ? | 12:59 |
nisshh | hehe, you seem to have more problems than me and im with freakin telstra | 12:59 |
ubuntujenkins | manual or quickshot teams | 12:59 |
nisshh | quickshot tema | 12:59 |
nisshh | team | 12:59 |
nisshh | i reckon | 13:00 |
nisshh | lol, the progress bar is still at 71% | 13:00 |
humphreybc | yeah quickshot team | 13:00 |
nisshh | should be a bit higher shouldnt it/ | 13:00 |
humphreybc | nisshh: it'll probably be that way for a few more days :P | 13:00 |
nisshh | ah right | 13:01 |
humphreybc | nah | 13:01 |
humphreybc | translations make up at least 30% | 13:01 |
ubuntujenkins | cool | 13:01 |
nisshh | right | 13:02 |
nisshh | when the next meeting btw? | 13:03 |
nisshh | i think we need one during rc | 13:03 |
humphreybc | RC is ages away | 13:06 |
humphreybc | we'll probably have a meeting next weekend | 13:06 |
nisshh | ok | 13:07 |
humphreybc | does anyone know how many languages ubuntu supports/ | 13:07 |
humphreybc | ? | 13:07 |
nisshh | alot | 13:08 |
nisshh | atleast 80 i think | 13:08 |
humphreybc | ah | 13:09 |
humphreybc | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/ReleaseLanguages/9.10 | 13:09 |
humphreybc | would be hilarious if the manual supported more languages than the operating syste, | 13:09 |
humphreybc | system* | 13:09 |
humphreybc | we might have more 100% complete languages than them :P | 13:10 |
humphreybc | ubuntu supports 244 languages in total, 25 of which are considered "translated" | 13:14 |
humphreybc | ie, 80% or above | 13:14 |
humphreybc | so if we get 25 languages finished we'll be rockin | 13:14 |
humphreybc | kubuntu is scary | 13:45 |
godbyk | my python script is finding lots of little nit-picky bugs. gotta love scripts. | 13:46 |
godbyk | basically, when I find a bug, I add it to my script so it can search for similar bugs. | 13:46 |
humphreybc | haha neat | 13:49 |
nisshh | nice | 13:49 |
* humphreybc is installing kubuntu 10.04 in a virtual box | 13:49 | |
godbyk | sadly, it means I'm finding even more bugs. :-/ | 13:49 |
humphreybc | it's weird | 13:49 |
humphreybc | lol | 13:49 |
* dutchie is reminded of Fibonacci's rabbits | 13:52 | |
* humphreybc has already found inconsistencies in the Kubuntu installer | 13:53 | |
* ubuntujenkins grr ppa build failed again | 13:56 | |
humphreybc | lol | 13:56 |
humphreybc | sounds like you're having a lot of fun with that PPA luke | 13:57 |
ubuntujenkins | ;( | 13:58 |
godbyk | I've done enough damage for tonight. I'm headed to bed. | 14:00 |
ubuntujenkins | nn godbyk | 14:01 |
humphreybc | night | 14:05 |
dutchie | ubuntujenkins: now imagine doing all the packaging by hand | 14:13 |
ubuntujenkins | dutchie: it almost impossible here so you must have had no end of fun | 14:14 |
dutchie | I gave up reasonably quickly | 14:14 |
dutchie | ooh, I was going to file a needs-packaging bug | 14:14 |
ubuntujenkins | I am using quickly :P | 14:14 |
nisshh | humphreybc: are you trying out kde 4.4? | 14:33 |
nisshh | coz i already have | 14:33 |
humphreybc | does that come with kubuntu 10.04? | 14:34 |
nisshh | i beleive so | 14:35 |
nisshh | i wrote a blog post about 4.4.1 SC | 14:35 |
nisshh | you should check it out | 14:35 |
nisshh | ultimately since i only have 1 machine im sticking wuth GNOME since i develop GTK apps | 14:36 |
nisshh | but holy crap kmail is better than evolution | 14:36 |
nisshh | my blog post is here:http://freakaboutlinux.wordpress.com/2010/03/06/trying-out-kde-4-4-1-sc/ | 14:37 |
nisshh | its not very in depth but it gives a general idea | 14:38 |
nisshh | right, now im off to watch some newly downloaded movies | 14:38 |
* humphreybc is trying out Moovida. It's really cool, but sluggish on the open source radeon drivers. Kinda want to build a dedicated home media center now... will do that next year :D | 14:49 | |
* ubuntujenkins is waiting for launchpad to build the package but has a bad feeling there is only a i368 version | 14:55 | |
ubuntujenkins | see you all later o/ | 15:06 |
ubuntujenkins | The ppa worked woo | 16:45 |
ubuntujenkins | titeuf_87: can we make the screenshot list scrollable? | 16:52 |
titeuf_87 | Oh I thought it already was. | 16:53 |
titeuf_87 | I'll do that in just a little bit. | 16:53 |
ubuntujenkins | you can do it with the down arrows but a scrollbar would be better | 16:54 |
ubuntujenkins | Red_HamsterX: ping | 16:54 |
ubuntujenkins | thanks titeuf_87 | 16:54 |
titeuf_87 | Are there any other things that still needs to be done outside of what's written in the todo list? | 16:55 |
ubuntujenkins | erm those three windows don't look the same. I am going to get the wiki sorted, the cd is done and the ppas are done | 16:56 |
titeuf_87 | The change resolution windows? | 16:56 |
ubuntujenkins | yep they look better but they still don't look the same | 16:57 |
titeuf_87 | Ah can you describe the differences? I'll take another look at those too. | 16:57 |
ubuntujenkins | The one that warns you is fine, the other two the icons are to far to the left in comparison | 16:59 |
titeuf_87 | Ah ok. | 17:00 |
ubuntujenkins | thanks | 17:00 |
ubuntujenkins | this came out of a question raised on quickshot The quickshot user isn't removed when the program is removed | 17:00 |
ubuntujenkins | I have added it to the todo list | 17:00 |
titeuf_87 | Should it be removed? | 17:00 |
ubuntujenkins | I will look into it and see if it is possible, maybe an option to remove it/ | 17:01 |
ubuntujenkins | like when you except java licence agrement or configure grub. | 17:01 |
titeuf_87 | Usually when you uninstall an app you keep its config files in your home dir, I guess it's similar here and we shouldn't touch this? | 17:02 |
ubuntujenkins | this was the original question https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot/+question/105213 | 17:02 |
ubuntujenkins | good point | 17:02 |
titeuf_87 | Bleh, glade file looks all messed up again. | 17:03 |
ubuntujenkins | thats why i haven't touched it | 17:04 |
ubuntujenkins | Red_HamsterX: humphreybc noticed a typo in the screenshot names, I haven't made the changes in the quickshot branch, how much code needs changing to fix it? | 17:04 |
titeuf_87 | ubuntujenkins, Do you still get prompted to change the resolution? | 17:22 |
ubuntujenkins | yes | 17:23 |
titeuf_87 | Weird, it doesn't for me anymore. | 17:24 |
ubuntujenkins | what graphics are you on? | 17:24 |
titeuf_87 | nvidia | 17:24 |
ubuntujenkins | let me double check | 17:24 |
titeuf_87 | Ah think I found it, let me try it out. | 17:25 |
titeuf_87 | Ok, found what the problem was and fixed it too :) | 17:26 |
ubuntujenkins | what was it ti works here | 17:27 |
titeuf_87 | In the detechgrahpics function, for nvidia it never called on_ok_changeres() like it should. | 17:27 |
ubuntujenkins | strange how it works for me | 17:28 |
revberaldo | hello | 17:46 |
ubuntujenkins | hello revberaldo | 17:46 |
revberaldo | can anyone tell me where do I download the ubuntu manual source? | 17:46 |
revberaldo | It would be nice to have a kind of “latex visual reference” | 17:47 |
ubuntujenkins | have you used bzr before? | 17:47 |
revberaldo | not really but I have used git | 17:47 |
dutchie | the branch is quite big, and we've got lots of helper commands | 17:47 |
ubuntujenkins | have a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/authors | 17:47 |
dutchie | it's probably not your best example of vanilla LaTeX | 17:47 |
revberaldo | thank you, ubuntujenkins | 17:48 |
ubuntujenkins | the total is 145mb | 17:48 |
revberaldo | dutchie I have some experience with latex | 17:48 |
revberaldo | ubuntujenkins my connection is fast enough :) | 17:48 |
revberaldo | (but not that fast) | 17:48 |
dutchie | still, I don't think it'll be massively useful as a visual reference | 17:49 |
ubuntujenkins | I am at home with a sucky interent speed | 17:49 |
revberaldo | dutchie well, I'll try anyway... I want to see what can I do with large LaTeX knowledge | 17:50 |
dutchie | sure | 17:50 |
revberaldo | well, thank you all | 17:51 |
ubuntujenkins | np | 17:51 |
Daker | Hello | 18:55 |
Red_HamsterX | titeuf_87, Quickshot was used to capture all of the Firefox screencaps last night. It worked (almost) perfectly. :) | 19:48 |
Red_HamsterX | My last night. | 19:48 |
titeuf_87 | What didn't work? | 19:48 |
Red_HamsterX | (UTC-7) | 19:48 |
Red_HamsterX | It's clipping one row of pixels from hte bottom of each window (I know how to fix this), and I needed to fix a few minor bugs, all of which were on my side. | 19:49 |
Red_HamsterX | Just letting you know it's working. Great job. :) | 19:49 |
titeuf_87 | To show the reference screenshot, I'm thinking about just adding an extra button in the screenshot list. | 19:52 |
titeuf_87 | Probably not the best way for the UI-side, but it's the simplest way for now without changing too much. | 19:53 |
Red_HamsterX | Yeah, that's what I'd do. | 19:53 |
Red_HamsterX | Until we rebuild it based on user feedback. | 19:53 |
titeuf_87 | April was the deadline right? | 19:53 |
ubuntujenkins | hell guys | 19:54 |
Red_HamsterX | I think that's the target, yes. | 19:54 |
Red_HamsterX | A wonderful Hades to you, too, ubuntujenkins. | 19:54 |
titeuf_87 | Hey ubuntujenkins | 19:54 |
ubuntujenkins | how are we doing? | 19:55 |
Red_HamsterX | I should be done with backend stuff today, so I'll start taking care of any usability issues added to the Etherpad after that. | 19:55 |
Red_HamsterX | We're doing well. | 19:55 |
Red_HamsterX | Quickshot works in practice. | 19:55 |
ubuntujenkins | I am liking the list of stuff for future releases | 19:57 |
Red_HamsterX | Feel free to add/comment/ctiricise. | 19:57 |
Red_HamsterX | I just came up with that while waking up. | 19:57 |
titeuf_87 | The 31st and the 1st I won't be around as I'm going to be two days at the MS Tech Days, just letting you all know cause I won't be able to work on quickshot then. | 19:57 |
Red_HamsterX | (To delay having to do taxes, which I'm doing now) | 19:57 |
dutchie | titeuf_87: freedom hater ;) | 19:57 |
ubuntujenkins | I like it a lot, I am going to add some stuff to the devel flag so that a normal run will check if you are using lucid or not | 19:58 |
Red_HamsterX | Can't own the opposition without knowing what they're doing. =P | 19:58 |
ubuntujenkins | we don't want people taking screenshots in karmic | 19:58 |
titeuf_87 | dutchie, I'm tempted to wear my gnome shirt, but I don't think my work would really appreciate that :( | 19:58 |
dutchie | heh | 19:59 |
ubuntujenkins | but with the devel flag you can run it on any system. Does that seam a good idea or is there a better way of doing it? | 19:59 |
Red_HamsterX | It seems like a good enough way of doing it. | 19:59 |
Red_HamsterX | That or --debug. | 20:00 |
ubuntujenkins | what are you guys running? | 20:00 |
ubuntujenkins | I am on lucid | 20:00 |
titeuf_87 | karmic for me | 20:01 |
Red_HamsterX | Debian testing for most development, Karmic for things like the server, and Lucid for testing. | 20:01 |
Red_HamsterX | I use Debian for most things. | 20:02 |
ubuntujenkins | as we have to use the devel flag to run the latest version i think it makes sense to put it in with that? | 20:02 |
Red_HamsterX | --devel currently ony changes how the quickshot user gets set up. | 20:03 |
Red_HamsterX | only* | 20:03 |
Red_HamsterX | Either flag's good. I'm running with both of them. | 20:03 |
Red_HamsterX | We don't really have a design standard yet. | 20:04 |
ubuntujenkins | I haven't run debug yet must see what it is like | 20:05 |
titeuf_87 | It just spams your console. | 20:06 |
Red_HamsterX | It just spams the console with status printouts. | 20:06 |
Red_HamsterX | It's useful if you need to trace the path the program is taking. | 20:08 |
ubuntujenkins | ok cool | 20:10 |
ubuntujenkins | Red_HamsterX: in the dictonary file why is the command have ~ on the next line? | 20:19 |
ubuntujenkins | nautilus | 20:19 |
ubuntujenkins | ~ | 20:19 |
titeuf_87 | The ~ is synonym for your home dir. So that command will open nautilus on your home directory. | 20:20 |
Red_HamsterX | Each line represents a separate token. | 20:21 |
Red_HamsterX | So we don't have to escape everything. | 20:21 |
Red_HamsterX | Aside from that, what titeuf_87 said. | 20:21 |
ubuntujenkins | ok make sense, ~ means home | 20:22 |
Red_HamsterX | ~<username> means <username>'s home. | 20:23 |
donri | Eww, they made the power switch red? | 20:23 |
dutchie | donri: only when you have to reboot | 20:23 |
donri | Oh! | 20:23 |
Red_HamsterX | ~flan == /home/flan on a default setup. | 20:23 |
* donri is mid-update. | 20:23 | |
Red_HamsterX | ~root would be /root on a Debian system. | 20:23 |
dutchie | and on an ubuntu system too | 20:24 |
ubuntujenkins | Its such a random symbol to use, I can't think of a better one though | 20:24 |
Red_HamsterX | It's a convenient shortcut for scripting. | 20:24 |
Red_HamsterX | It's been around forever. | 20:24 |
Red_HamsterX | Since, like, the inception of Unix. | 20:24 |
Red_HamsterX | You see it in Apache a lot. | 20:24 |
Red_HamsterX | http://stellvia.uguu.ca/~flan on my home server links to /home/flan/public_html | 20:25 |
Red_HamsterX | Ah, you're right, dutchie. I forgot that root was defined on Ubuntu. | 20:25 |
dutchie | This practice derives from the Lear-Siegler ADM-3A terminal in common use during the 1970s, which happened to have the tilde symbol and the word "Home" (for moving the cursor to the upper left) on the same key. | 20:26 |
dutchie | according to WP | 20:26 |
Red_HamsterX | (I thought it was actually left out of /etc/passwd, rather than merely being deprived of a password) | 20:26 |
Red_HamsterX | (I dunno why I thought this, though, given that root can own things) | 20:26 |
ubuntujenkins | has anyone heard from mattgriffin? | 20:32 |
ubuntujenkins | Just added a few bits to the dictionary | 20:39 |
Red_HamsterX | 'Kay. They'll get auto-pulled in twenty minutes. | 20:40 |
Red_HamsterX | (Or I can force it if you want to test) | 20:40 |
ubuntujenkins | no only little things here and there | 20:42 |
Red_HamsterX | Like replacing my "Dunno, lawl"s? | 20:43 |
ubuntujenkins | Yep and any missing commands | 20:44 |
Red_HamsterX | Yay. | 20:44 |
ubuntujenkins | If i show the user a link how can i make it click able (in a python window) | 20:57 |
titeuf_87 | Isn't there a special kind of label for that? | 20:58 |
ubuntujenkins | possibly I am changing a current label when the user launches and the are not using lucid. It will point them at the wiki and the live cd | 20:59 |
titeuf_87 | ubuntujenkins, from what I can find in glade, you'll need to use a linkbutton | 21:02 |
ubuntujenkins | thats what i just discovered, I will have to add an extra lable | 21:03 |
donri | Does pango markup support anchor links? | 21:03 |
titeuf_87 | I'm not sure donri | 21:05 |
donri | Quite sure I've seen links mid-labels with Gtk. | 21:08 |
* ubuntujenkins googles what donri said | 21:08 | |
Red_HamsterX | You could try it. (I'd volunteer, but I'm almost done with one of the more painful tax forms) | 21:08 |
ubuntujenkins | how do i set pango mark up for the label? It is already set in glade but doesn't work when you change the label text | 21:55 |
titeuf_87 | try label.set_markup? | 21:56 |
ubuntujenkins | I will have a go | 21:57 |
ubuntujenkins | night all o/ | 22:05 |
titeuf_87 | Goodnight ubuntujenkins. | 22:05 |
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