[00:13] Bleh... I dunno what, if anything, I can do for the current PyWeek. [02:44] Ooh. Quickshot is working well. [02:45] And Alstroemeria CDs make for great programming music. [03:05] Looks like Metacity returns decoration information slightly differently under Lucid... [03:26] All Firefox-related screencaps successfully taken and uploaded using Quickshot. [03:26] (A number of small bugs were worked out in the process, hence the time taken) [03:56] The Internet here is still being really flaky, but I'm around if around if anyone needs me. [07:03] what's poppin' ya'll [07:05] humphreybc: 'bout time you showed up! :) [07:05] haha, i've been enjoying my lazy sunda [07:05] sunday* [07:05] then I had an interesting experience [07:05] oh yeah? [07:06] I tried to enable some transparency for pidgin [07:06] uh oh [07:06] just for the buddy list, by using compiz [07:06] I selected the pidgin buddy list window [07:06] compiz turned my entire computer transparent [07:06] panels, all windows, my docks disappeared [07:06] heh [07:06] awesome [07:06] so I went into a virtual terminal [07:07] removed the compiz config files in my home directory and restarted X [07:07] that didn't work [07:07] restarted computer, that didn't work [07:07] so I figured I should run a metacity --replace command [07:07] tried that in a virtual terminal and got an error saying that X wasn't loaded (because I was in a virtual terminal) [07:08] so, I blindly opened up a terminal by using my keyboard shortcut and typed in the command slowly, even though i couldn't see it... it worked [07:08] disabled the opacity plugin for compiz and restarted X, success [07:08] it was pretty funny though because I had all my windows open, and could grab them/resize them and stuff but they were invisible [07:09] nice [07:09] yeah [07:09] so what's new? [07:09] I'm currently spell-checking our manual. [07:09] oh fun [07:09] Loads. [07:09] using aspell? [07:10] or by hand/eye? [07:10] It strikes me that we need to establish a really comprehensive style guide for the manual. [07:10] yea [07:10] that was the plan [07:10] It's probably too late to create one for this edition, but we should definitely add that to our TODO list for the next edition. [07:10] never eventuated [07:10] yup [07:11] did you see some of the stuff that Martin Lukes did? [07:11] Also, you're totally gonna lose that bet. :) [07:11] Which stuff? [07:11] I better not [07:11] check the mailing list [07:11] unless he just sent it to me [07:11] nah the list [07:11] http://etherpad.com/Dws558WVvc [07:11] oh, the manual for manual thing? [07:11] he made this [07:11] yea [07:11] yeah, I saw that. [07:11] by trawling through our ML messages :D [07:11] most of that will be incorporated into the style guide. [07:12] yea [07:12] latex-handout.pdf was supposed to be the start of a style guide, but I didn't spend the time needed to really get it fleshed out completely. [07:12] it's a good list of stuff though [07:12] that's okay [07:12] we have other things to worry about, as you said it's too late but next release we'll have 6 months [07:12] instead of 3 :) [07:13] can we just pretend this initial release doesn't count as much? :-) [07:13] (so many little bugs!) [07:13] lol [07:13] well I anticipate we'll get a shitload of interest after this release [07:13] a lot of the bugs I'm seeing are more style issues that I didn't bring up before. [07:13] Learning experience. =P [07:13] sure [07:13] hey, we can't be perfect, we've done bloody well [07:13] i'm sure everyone appreciates that [07:14] so don't fret too much [07:14] I know, I know. Still, it bugs me when I see typos or errors in my books. :) [07:14] what we've got now is already beyond any expectation anyone ever had [07:14] hehe [07:14] your books huh? [07:14] :P [07:14] as in 'books I own'. [07:14] rigt [07:14] sure sure :P [07:14] although it applies doubly to books I've been involved with producing. :) [07:14] fair enough [07:14] i'm the same [07:15] we have a lot of work to do, that's for sure [07:15] but that's good, it'll keep us busy and keep people interested and willing to help [07:15] also, I think I found a typo/error in the CC license (the original on the website). [07:15] unlike the *cough* docs team *cough* [07:15] O rly? [07:15] I asked about it in #cc, but haven't had a response yet. [07:15] yeah, [07:15] in section 1(b), they refer to section 1(f) but I think they meant to refer to section 1(h). [07:16] ok [07:16] exciting, no? [07:17] indeed [07:19] hey cool people are starting to post irrelevant ads and links on our facebook page [07:19] which means we're becoming famous [07:20] lol [07:20] how's our bug spreadsheet doing? [07:20] do we still have a ton left to fix? [07:20] "Abdel Hakim Hakim Mouhoubi" has spammed pretty much all of our wall posts with this link: "www.livequaran.org" [07:20] i'll give you one guess [07:20] i'm going to kick him off our page [07:21] i'm never going to find him in our fan list [07:21] we have 750 now [07:22] oh no wait [07:22] he posted directly on our oage [07:22] page* [07:22] so i can "report and block this person from this page and remove everything he has posted" [07:22] thanks facebook! [07:23] sorry Abdel Hakim Hakim Mouhoubi, but we're not that interested in your live quaran :) [07:24] nice [07:24] facebook is actually helpful for once [07:25] yeah [07:26] it's actually a really crap website [07:26] they duplicate so much stuff [07:26] but just like windows, people only use it because everyone else does :D [07:26] ... at least it's better than bebo or mysapce, though [07:26] myspace* [07:27] myspace is awful [07:28] so true [07:30] there are TONS of comments in these .tex files. [07:30] we should really remove the ones that don't matter anymore. [07:30] yeah [07:30] that's what i've been doing [07:30] means less text to get in the way when I'm spell-checking and reading. [07:30] is automount installed/enabled in ubuntu server edition by default? [07:30] no clue [07:31] nvm found it [07:31] Is 'gedit' the proper capitalization? [07:31] yes [07:32] k [07:33] i'm downloading the Kubuntu 10.04 beta1 [07:33] gonna try it out in a vbox/live CD [07:33] never really looked into it too much [07:33] i tried 9.04 and found it too be really cluttered and inconsistent [07:34] plus i don't really like all my apps beginning with k [07:34] it looks silly and amateur [07:36] g is much better than k. :) [07:38] well not even that, i just wish app developers would come up with their own names [07:38] the menus can look hideous at times [07:41] I think I'm going to start making notes for our style guide as I fix things. [07:41] easier than thinking of them later. [07:43] I'm also writing a python script right now to help me track down some frequent bugs. [07:44] neat [07:44] haha, the many uses of python [07:46] we also need to get the glossary and index up to speed. [07:46] so much work to do! [07:48] i know! [07:48] i'm going to go through this evening and make all the captions nice [07:53] I haven't even looked at daker's test site to proofread that yet. [07:54] New rule: If you see a spot in the manual that's obvious unfinished, or needs attention, put a \todo{Note goes here} there. That way it'll show up in the PDF and we'll see it. [07:55] I'm trying to make a list of the formatting bugs, too. I'll deal with those after the writing freeze. [07:55] Though basically anything we touch in the .tex file will impact the translators, won't it? [07:55] might have to branch or something. :-/ [07:58] kk [07:58] u, [07:58] um* [07:58] the comments should be excluded? [07:58] oh wait [07:58] AFTER writing freeze [07:58] the comments are, yet. [07:58] um [07:58] wait, what? [07:59] you're confusing me. start over. :) [07:59] yeah i'm going to be really strict on the writing freeze [07:59] so you may have to branch [07:59] i've been proof reading dakers test site [07:59] we went through it together yesterday [08:00] he's still got a couple of mistakes [08:00] but it's getting there [08:00] did you fix the missing apostrophe in 'beginner's guide'? [08:01] maybe [08:02] no [08:02] haha [08:04] so who else from UMP will be attending UDS? [08:04] I presume thorwil will be going [08:04] no clue. [08:04] have you heard if you're going yet or not? [08:04] nope, haven't heard yet [08:05] i guess it'll be announced sometime this week or next [08:05] jono and crew will have a lot of applications to go through [08:05] i really hope i go [08:06] you'll have to participate remotely [08:06] especially if we have a meeting with the docs/learning team etc [08:07] definitely. [08:07] cool [08:07] we'll try to get a good UMP representation in those meetings [08:34] hey [08:34] time to rock [08:34] hey nisshh [08:35] hey [08:35] i have 21 glossary entries lines up [08:35] hope to get them all done today [08:36] nisshh: heh.. I'm adding more glossary TODOs as we speak. :) [08:36] at some point, we need to look at indexing, too. [08:36] godbyk: hehe, you always crash the party! [08:37] :) [08:37] indexing? [08:37] the index [08:37] :P [08:37] 3 days till writing freeze... fun times [08:37] right, what exactly goes in the index [08:37] key words used throughout the manual [08:37] with page numbers that are linked [08:37] check it out in the book [08:37] it's on the last page [08:38] kk [08:38] you must have come across indexes before in other book [08:38] books* [08:38] oh, who made the makefile awesome with colors and stuff [08:38] that was me. [08:38] looks wicked and is much easier to use [08:38] nice work godbyk [08:38] thanks. [08:38] lol [08:39] I need to reclassify some of the warnings as errors, though, so they stand out more. [08:39] i wondered why it became pretty [08:39] hehe [08:39] much easier to tell if make was successful now [08:40] Well, if it's not successful, it'll stop the presses and tell you about it. [08:41] yes [08:43] just noticed apt-get is there twice in the index [08:45] nisshh: I only see it once (as a main entry). [08:45] All of the applications and command-line apps are listed under then own name and under the heading 'applications' or 'command-line applications' right now. [08:46] yea, theres one under vlc and one under command line [08:58] humphreybc: ping [09:00] jaminday: pong [09:00] hehe, still find that funny [09:01] humphreybc: hehe hey there - i'm just on my way out but thought i'd catch you real quick [09:01] sure [09:01] fire away [09:01] how are you going with editing your chapterrs - have any spare time? [09:01] *chapters [09:01] i'm getting there [09:01] haven't had a huge amount of time these last couple of days [09:01] what's up? [09:01] yeah me too. I've just been doing bits when i can. [09:02] Chapter 3 still has a ton of editing needing to be done though [09:02] and not sure i'll have time to look at it properly [09:02] godbyk: we talked about this the other day but i forgot which way around to put the \gls command if it interfered with another [09:02] jaminday: it's on my list [09:02] like: \smallcaps{GNOME} [09:02] nisshh: The \gls command goes on the inside. [09:02] i'll try to get it done by tuesday [09:02] humphreybc: ok cool. You want me to focus mainly on the chapters before this then? [09:02] To \emph{\gls{word}} [09:02] godbyk: thanks [09:03] np [09:03] i think focus needs to be on 5+ [09:03] chapter 5? [09:03] chapter 5 and up [09:03] ah ok [09:03] so 5, 6, 7, 8 and 9 [09:03] yeah i haven't looked at them for ages [09:03] 5 is quite important as it deals with the software center [09:03] so make that your priority [09:03] I think the later chapters have probably had less focus by our OMG proofreaders, too. [09:04] plus godbyk was reading through it the other day and said it needs a lot of work [09:04] So they likely need more attention. [09:04] yeah [09:04] good point [09:04] ok. There is still some work needing to be written on partitioning in chapter 1, but otherwise pro, 1 and 2 are nearing completion [09:04] yeah i'll get there with the partitioning [09:04] actually [09:04] i might need some help with that [09:04] i can't remember much about the partitioning big [09:05] bit* [09:05] Yeah - the manual partitioning stuff will be hard to make newbie friendly [09:05] yeah [09:05] ok - well anyway i have to head out [09:05] okay [09:05] i'm about to push a few minor changes, will this stuff anyone up? [09:05] enjoy your evening, we'll be slaving away here [09:06] nah it shouldn't [09:06] humphreybc: hehe [09:06] might stuff me up [09:06] nisshh: ah really [09:06] nisshh: you push first [09:06] yea im doing glassry work [09:06] ok hang on a sec [09:06] ok [09:07] maybe i'll wait till i get back? [09:07] no 1 sec [09:07] jaminday: I've got a ton of minor changes, so it won't matter much to me. :) [09:07] ok [09:08] godbyk: glad to hear it ;-) [09:08] so many changes! [09:08] So far: [09:08] Help/godbyk/latex-handout/latex-handout.tex | 15 +++++ [09:08] around-desktop/around-desktop.tex | 8 +- [09:08] backmatter/license-en.tex | 50 +++++++++--------- [09:08] command-line/command-line.tex | 76 ++++++++++++++-------------- [09:08] default-apps/browsingtheweb.tex | 24 ++++---- [09:08] default-apps/default-apps.tex | 2 [09:08] default-apps/gettingonline.tex | 4 - [09:09] main.tex | 1 [09:09] prefs-hardware/other.tex | 2 [09:09] ubuntu-manual.cls | 9 ++- [09:09] 10 files changed, 107 insertions(+), 84 deletions(-) [09:09] jaminday: ok you can push now [09:09] lol [09:09] maybe you should pull first though [09:09] wow [09:09] nisshh: [09:09] hehe [09:09] good times had by all [09:09] nisshh: ok [09:09] cool [09:10] humphreybc: 5 glossary entries finished [09:10] in the future, if anyones' wife/gf is having a baby it is now mandatory to scream "PULL BEFORE YOU PUSH" when they're giving birth [09:10] hehe, ok [09:10] nisshh: schwing! [09:10] humphreybc: ha classic [09:10] I love that 'no conflicts generated' window. Makes me happy. [09:10] that should be an official bzr joke [09:11] jaminday: so push to lp went ok? [09:11] someone broke the make though [09:12] hehe i tried to push without committing, so no [09:12] lol [09:12] ah there we go [09:12] ok gotta run! [09:12] by all... [09:12] nisshh: did you compile before pushing? [09:12] cya [09:12] "is called \smallcaps{\gls{GNOME}}" is throwing an error [09:12] chow jamin [09:12] i ran make clean before pushing [09:13] hmmmm gimme a sec [09:13] you should probably run make before pushing, then make clean [09:13] to ensure it actually compiles [09:13] lol [09:14] hehe, i had it compiled just before i pushed [09:14] just obviously worked ok for me [09:14] lol [09:15] godbyk: why is it throwing that error? [09:15] Hmm.. not sure. [09:15] i seem to have done the syntax right [09:15] what's the error? [09:16] where i put \gls{GNOME} [09:16] inside smallcaps{} [09:17] it saysl.40 ...ronments is called \smallcaps{\gls{GNOME}} , which is used by default... [09:17] do you want it removed for now? [09:20] godbyk:? [09:20] Sure, go ahead and remove it for now. [09:21] ok [09:21] File a bug or remind me to look at it after a bit. [09:21] (Or just stick a \todo{Kevin, look at the GNOME glossary entry link.} in places of the \gls command._ [09:22] ok [09:22] testing it now [09:23] cool [09:24] it is kind of inconsistent where someone has smallcapsed all the DE names in around-desktop, but nowhere else in the chapter [09:24] wow.. everyone's joining the party now! [09:24] or whole manua; [09:24] nisshh: yeah, I've been fixing them when I see them. [09:25] godbyk: which way is prefered? [09:25] GNOME is all caps [09:25] KDE is all caps [09:25] so XFCE [09:25] actually all of them are all caps [09:25] sorry you misunderstood [09:25] i mean someone has done \smallcaps{GNOME} in around desktop [09:26] oh right [09:26] but nowhere else in the manual at all [09:26] its extremely inconsistent [09:26] where is my python guru? [09:27] godbyk, what do you want to know? [09:27] I want to apply a regular expression to a line of text and if it matches, print something out. [09:27] easy enough to do. [09:27] figured I'd ask instead of looking it up. :) [09:27] what do you mean apply a regular expression? [09:27] (if anyone's around who knows right off.) [09:28] I want to see it there are any matches in the line of text. [09:28] ah right [09:28] i'm not sure what the function name is [09:28] ok, if everyone pulls now they have the fix [09:28] I think re.search will do it. [09:29] nisshh: thanks [09:29] np [09:29] sweet, so just assign it to something and then run the function on the string in an if statement [09:55] im trying to write a description for MeMenu, except i havent used it much, can someone with more experience give me a hand? [10:03] nevermind, its done [10:11] hey ubuntujenkins [10:11] hey nisshh [10:12] everything is coming along nicely [10:13] thats great, quickshot is doing we to [10:13] *well [10:15] good [10:24] humphreybc: finished descrptions for another 10 or so glossary entries [10:24] nisshh: fantasticx [10:24] without the x [10:27] humphreybc: I am planning to do some quickshot wikii stuff today, have you done any? I don't want to double up on your work [10:28] also the quickshot cd is down to 692 mb === ubuntujenkins_ is now known as ubuntujenkins [10:30] ubuntujenkins: quickshot cd? [10:33] nisshh: there is a cut down version of lucid on a cd with the quickshot program so that people can take screenshots with out installing lucid [10:34] ah, cool [10:35] and it has all of the lanuage packs that the manual is in on it [10:37] I will be back just swapping to the wifi [10:39] ok [10:39]