[00:00] <ari-tczew> bdrung: nobody said that it will be easy
[00:00] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i worked on it today (global jam in berlin) and it was not fun
[00:15] <malev_> hi there! where is the irc channel for asking about the junior mentoring?
[00:16] <siddhartha> hello motu's
[00:16] <bdrung> malev_: if you have technical question, you can ask them here.
[00:16] <bdrung> hi siddhartha
[00:16] <siddhartha> i have a question..
[00:16] <[LAG]REX> malev an I are searching the way to get a mentor!!
[00:17] <[LAG]REX> and!
[00:17] <siddhartha> if theres a package that is not updated in the repository
[00:17] <siddhartha> do i file a bug-report
[00:17] <malev_> bdrung, I guess. but I'm asking about the mentorshinp motu's program
[00:18] <bdrung> siddhartha: yes
[00:18] <siddhartha> m.. for membership i guess you send an email to..http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-mentors
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[00:19] <bdrung> siddhartha: mentorshinp not membership
[00:19] <bdrung> siddhartha: we are in feature freeze - you have to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess to get an update into lucid
[00:29] <bdrung> malev_, ZEROADRENALINE: there is probably no extra IRC channel for mentoring.
[00:34] <siddhartha> question: i was running a karmic installation.. i somehow managed to change change my release type to eeebuntu after adding some package repos.  Recently i added lucid repos. Is there any way to change the distribution release type ? lsb_release -a tells me im still running eeebuntu.
[00:35] <siddhartha> leave
[00:41] <siddhartha> hello, i have a question: i was running a karmic installation.. i somehow managed to change change my release type to eeebuntu after adding some package repos.  Recently i added lucid repos. Is there any way to change the distribution release type ? lsb_release -a tells me im still running eeebuntu.
[00:46] <siddhartha> hello guys / gals , i was wondering if there was a way to be on two channels at once using irc
[00:51] <siddhartha> join #ubuntu+1
[00:51] <siddhartha> join #ubuntu-motu
[04:34] <AJ_> hello everyone
[04:34] <AJ_> I have a question about debian packages
[04:35] <AJ_> I have a project which i need to package using debian
[04:35] <AJ_> deb packages requires a control file
[04:35] <AJ_> and it has a depends field
[04:35] <AJ_> how do i know the dependencies for my project
[04:36] <AJ_> is there a command line argument to get it
[04:36] <AJ_> i tried dpkg -S <file>
[04:36] <AJ_> and it lists like million of dependencies
[04:36] <AJ_> so i reckon there has to be another way
[04:36] <AJ_> can some one please help me
[04:44] <lfaraone> !helpme | AJ_
[04:44] <ubottu> AJ_: Avoid your questions being followed by a trail of "Please, help me", "Can nobody help me?", "I really need this!", and so on. This just contributes to making the channel unreadable. If you are not answered, ask again later; but see also !repeat and !attitude
[04:45] <lfaraone> AJ_: if you use debhelper, it'll automagically determine your dependancies if it's a C or Python application you package.
[04:47] <gnomefreak> depends ont he project but i thought there is an upstream file that has a list at least one or 2 i looked at did
[04:47] <ScottK> AJ_: Normally upstream will include some documentation about what you need to build the package.
[04:47] <gnomefreak> :)
[04:54] <AJ_> Mine is a java application built using fmod
[04:54] <AJ_> so it has fmod shared library file
[04:55] <AJ_> how do i specify the java dependency
[04:55] <AJ_> my application requires java 1.5
[04:57] <ScottK> You might ask in #ubuntu-java then.
[05:07] <AJ_> Thanks Scott. First i need to figure out what should I put in the <depend> field of control file for debian package
[05:13] <ScottK> They can probably help you with that
[06:49] <Rashless> hi all!
[06:50] <Rashless> how to rename launchpad account if I already have ppa?
[06:50] <Rashless> is there means to delete the ppa?
[06:51] <ScottK> Rashless: Those are questions for #launchpad.
[06:51] <Rashless> ok
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[07:27] <micahg> just to double check if a package with ubuntu changes needs a straight sync from debian and the ubuntu changes can be dropped, we jsut request a sync?
[07:33] <ScottK> Yes, but you need to explain why it's ok to drop them.
[07:36] <micahg> ScottK: ok, it looks like I'll need to actually make some changes, so it won't be a merge, but a sync, but good to know
[08:17] <micahg> mr_pouit: I think I'm going to request a sync of gnome-chemistry-utils from debian testing...the Ubuntu changes have been merged upstream...also, it builds fine with xulrunner-1.9.2.2, but not with xulrunner-1.9.2, so we have to wait for 1.9.2.2 to get into the archive...I'm uploading a test to the xul192 migration PPA, I'll file a bug and subscribe you if it works
[12:52] <paissad> debconf sucks too much
[12:53] <paissad> po-debconf & everything's related to it
[12:53] <paissad> the documentation is bad & the tools complicated ...
[13:34] <AnAnt> Hello, is there a reason that python-multiprocessing is removed from Lucid ?
[13:34] <wgrant> AnAnt: It's included in python2.6 core.
[13:34] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[13:36] <AnAnt> wgrant: canto package needs to be modified then
[13:37] <wgrant> AnAnt: Please file a bug.
[13:37] <wgrant> Even better if you provide a patch and request sponsorship.
[13:37] <AnAnt> wgrant: can I file a merge bug too (there's a new version that just got sponsored in Debian)
[13:37] <wgrant> AnAnt: If it contains no new features and you consider it safe and useufl.
[13:38] <AnAnt> I see
[13:39] <AnAnt> Can someone review/sponsor http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8017 ? It has been granted an FFe in LP #543679
[13:39] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 543679 in ubuntu "Add a plymouth theme for sabily" [Medium,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543679
[14:14] <paissad> guys, i created my debian/{config,templates,po/POTFILES.in,po/templates.pot} .. added dh_installdebconf in debian/rules ... but i have no config when i install the package via dpkg -i !!!!
[14:14] <paissad> i'm not prompted for any questions ^^
[14:15] <paissad> what should be the problem ?
[14:27] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: in case I haven't asked you yet: would you be willing to act as ubuntu-release delegate for xubuntu together with cody again?
[14:29] <mr_pouit> sistpoty: yeah sure (you already asked me some weeks ago ;).
[14:29] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: excellent thanks! (heh, then my list is not up to date *g*)
[14:31] <sistpoty> highvoltage: did I ask you regarding edubuntu yet?
[15:20] <Rhonda> Bug #528957 is really nagging me and I really would appreciate if one could find the time to git bisect the SDL code and pin down the commit that did break it.  %-/
[15:21] <Rhonda> But I fear that this won't happen in time for the lucid release - though I guess it would be a good thing to push in through some proposed update.
[15:21] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 528957 in wesnoth "mouse button clicks not detected in windowed mode" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/528957
[15:22] <Rhonda> My uttermost greatful thanks will rest upon the person doing so.
[15:22] <nigelb> Any pointers to what one should be looking in the git?
[15:23] <jdstrand> sistpoty: re moin> sure thing! :)
[15:23] <Rhonda> nigelb: Unfortunately not really. See the bugreport, try to reproduce it, and I would hope that git bisect should be able to help without too much look in the code. It at least seems to be related somehow to windowed/full size mode and mousehandling differences between the two.
[15:23] <sistpoty> :)
[15:24] <nigelb> Rhonda, I can try (and will probably fail), but I will try :)
[15:45] <nigelb> Rhonda, did you mean git or svn?
[15:47] <highvoltage> hey sistpoty
[15:47] <sistpoty> hi highvoltage
[15:48] <highvoltage> sistpoty: you didn't ask me yet, at least not as far as I'm aware :)
[15:48] <\sh> moins
[15:48] <sistpoty> highvoltage: and would you be willing to act as release delegate again? :)
[15:48] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[15:49] <highvoltage> sistpoty: I haven't before, but yes, I would indeed. For Edubuntu stgraber and myself are release managers, are you talking about the universe part of it?
[15:49] <highvoltage> (sorry I'm missing some context)
[15:50] <sistpoty> highvoltage: yes, universe: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2010-March/000040.html
[15:51] <highvoltage> sistpoty: yep, I confirm
[15:52] <sistpoty> thanks highvoltage :)
[15:52] <highvoltage> my pleasure
[15:52] <\sh> bah..sitting in the office doing some strange software rollout during daylight...I should deal more with couchdb...
[16:09] <Laney> sistpoty: can you please take care of requesting the next lot of syncs for the transition?
[16:09] <Laney> (I'm at a conference)
[16:09] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/haskell-installability/i386.png
[16:10] <Laney> I test built these and they worked:
[16:10] <Laney> haskelldb-hdbc_0.13-1.dsc     hdbc-odbc_2.2.3.0-2.dsc        hdbc-sqlite3_2.3.0.0-2.dsc
[16:10] <Laney> haskell-unixutils_1.22-2.dsc  hdbc-postgresql_2.2.3.1-2.dsc  missingh_1.1.0.3-1.dsc
[16:10] <Laney> thanks!
[16:28] <Rhonda> nigelb: I only know of bisect in git, and I don't even know what upstream uses. If they use svn then git svn might be the way to go for investigation.
[16:29] <nigelb> Rhonda, I checked out the upstream for the lib responsible for change
[16:29] <nigelb> there about 2000 entries between release an now :x
[16:31] <sistpoty> Laney: sure, will do
[16:44] <micahg> what do we do when a package needs web access to build (i.e. it wants to pull down files)
[16:44] <Laney> fix it to not need that
[16:45] <zgreg> is it only me, or does the font rendering of firefox in lucid have problems?
[16:46] <micahg> zgreg: bug 512561
[16:46] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 512561 in firefox "[MASTER] Firefox-3.6 doesn't respect font settings" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/512561
[16:46] <zgreg> it's as broken as in the "official" builds from mozilla.org it seems :/
[16:46] <zgreg> thanks.
[16:46] <micahg> Laney: I think that gnome-chemistry-utils is building some of its docs from URLs
[16:47] <Laney> it can't do
[16:47] <Laney> the buildds don't have internet access
[16:47] <micahg> Laney: should I add the files to the debian dir then?
[16:48] <Laney> You should rather talk to upstream
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[17:29]  * sistpoty wonders if he should file FFe bugs for some haskell packages ... that would lead to an interesting conversation between me and myself :)
[17:31] <iulian> One bug should be enough.
[17:45] <sistpoty> iulian: once I'm through with filing sync requests, I'll file one
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[18:12] <micahg> mr_pouit: are you around?
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[18:25] <mr_pouit> micahg: yes
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[18:36] <zgreg> ouch - the sun java plugin is broken in lucid
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[18:37] <micahg> mr_pouit: how do you get around gnome-chemistry-utils wanting to look to sourceforge for dtd for the docs?
[18:38] <ari-tczew> jdong: ping
[18:38] <jdong> ari-tczew: pong
[18:39] <ari-tczew> jdong: why I cannot use patchsystem in SRU?
[18:40] <jdong> ari-tczew: SRU's are about introducing as few changes as possible to the package to get the problem fixed...
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[18:40] <jdong> this discussion has been had on mailing lists and in #ubuntu-devel and the concensus among the developers is that patchsys'es should not be *added* to packages being SRU'ed
[18:41] <jdong> but of course if a patchsys already exists, you should use it
[18:41] <zgreg> I don't get really get with sun's jre/jdk was replaced by openjdk, it's still clearly not ready!
[18:41] <geser> micahg: is the DTD perhaps already packaged?
[18:41] <ari-tczew> jdong: when discussion about patchsystems in SRU has been explained on IRC?
[18:42] <jdong> ari-tczew: I think it was about a year ago
[18:42] <sistpoty> iulian: bug #550375
[18:42] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 550375 in ubuntu "[FFe] haskell transition, next round" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/550375
[18:44] <ari-tczew> jdong: year? please take a look @ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kadu/0.6.5.1-5ubuntu0.1
[18:44] <jdong> ari-tczew: that looks like a package that already contains a patchsys, in which case it is proper to just add a patch to it.
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[18:45] <jdong> ari-tczew: in the case of a package that didn't have a patchsys in the first place, it's not recommended to add a patchsys for the purpose of SRU
[18:46] <mr_pouit> micahg: mmh, I don't know, it built fine on the buildds, so I don't think they is a problem with that
[18:46] <ari-tczew> jdong: this is sick for me! no using patchsystems messes package!
[18:47] <jdong> ari-tczew: nobody likes directly patching in the diff.gz, but at the same time, adding a patchsys to the packaging doesn't meet the definition of "minimal change necessary" for SRU's
[18:47] <jdong> SRU changes donn't have to propagate and survive future releases, though, which avoids one of the problems of monolithic patching
[18:48] <micahg> geser: it's weird, the same checks are in the current version, but it doesn't break the current version
[18:48] <sistpoty> jdong: *I* like directly patching the .diff.gz :P
[18:49] <jdong> sistpoty: haha it later on can become a pain to figure out what patch came from where for what purpose, unless you're good at documenting too :)
[18:49] <geser> sistpoty: binary diffs?
[18:49] <ari-tczew> jdong: okay, I'll reupload bzr revision.
[18:49] <sistpoty> jdong: if you properly upstream your changes, it won't ;)
[18:49] <jdong> ari-tczew: thank you
[18:49] <sistpoty> geser: haha
[18:50] <ari-tczew> jdong: I think that I could help you in clean up the bugs related to ~ubuntu-sru
[18:51] <ari-tczew> jdong: ... but how?! :> I think about access to unsubscribe SRU teams
[18:51] <jdong> ari-tczew: I think the missing part of the procedure is to detach ubuntu-sru once verification-done.
[18:51] <jdong> ari-tczew: access to unsubscribe is only available for SRU team members.
[18:52] <ari-tczew> jdong: so how can I help?
[18:52] <jdong> ari-tczew: I'd start with mailing the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list, cc'ing the SRU team members, about your concern that the related bugs display in launchpad isn't a satisfactory radar map for what SRU tasks remain needing attention.
[18:52] <jdong> and then as a group, we can come to a concensus what's a good fix for the problem
[18:53] <jdong> i'm only one piece of the larger SRU process and don't feel comfortable single-handedly doing any mass unsubscribing, etc
[18:53] <micahg> mr_pouit: well, for some reason it skipped validation before and I can't find a reason in the changelog or patches
[18:55] <micahg> mr_pouit: here's the build log, are you familiar with this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42258987/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.gnome-chemistry-utils_0.10.12-2~ffox36~lucid1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:56] <bencrisford> hi everyone, ive fixed a v.simple typo-bug in the kdeedu package, and the debuild works ok, until it gets to a point, then it says it could not find the cbds/rules/1/patchsys-quilt.mk file
[18:56] <bencrisford> the full output it here: http://pastebin.com/PQc1FwFk
[18:57] <ari-tczew> jdong: what do you think about give me access to unsubscribing motu-sru && ubuntu-sru (indirectly by marking me as member)?
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[18:58] <jdong> ari-tczew: that's not something I have the permission to do, or any influence upon the decision-making, but in my opinion it probably isn't feasible.
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[19:03] <ari-tczew> jdong: it's the question of trust in me, I wanna only help in clean up, not to be a member of SRU 4ever or something...
[19:03] <paissad> guys, i have my personal repository for .deb packages, but ... the problem is that the server is in a non debian like system, .... thus i cannot use dpkg-scanpackages or apt-ftparchive to put my packages in the repository .... what do you suggest me now ?
[19:04] <azeem> paissad: rsync from somewhere else?
[19:04] <jdong> ari-tczew: again, it's the Ubuntu SRU *team*, no single member of the team should be doing sweeping changes like this without group concensus. Starting off an open discussion is the best way to get this process started.
[19:05] <iulian> sistpoty: Do you want me to take a look at it?
[19:05] <sistpoty> iulian: yes, I guess makes sense to have someone else then me ack it ;)
[19:05] <paissad> azeem, i don't think that rsync will work since the cache of the repository needs to be re-generated & many other stuffs
[19:06] <iulian> sistpoty: Alrighty.
[19:06] <azeem> paissad: which cache?
[19:06] <sistpoty> thanks iulian
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[19:07] <paissad> azeem, http://dpaste.com/177050/
[19:08] <azeem> paissad: no idea then
[19:09] <ari-tczew> jdong: of course I'll wait for group decision
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[19:20] <iulian> sistpoty: Looks good.  I have just acked it.  Thanks for taking care of it.
[19:20] <sistpoty> thanks iulian!
[19:22] <iulian> No problem.
[19:44] <bencrisford> i was working on a bug, which is now fixed, but i have made changed to some of the source files
[19:45] <bencrisford> if i apt-get source <package> again, will that overwrite my changes?
[19:53] <jpds> bencrisford: Maybe you should use the packages bazaar branch?
[19:58] <bencrisford> jpds: why is this?
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[20:53] <psusi> jdong, say, were you interested in the e2defrag project?  I've got a bzr repo, project, and maintainer group set up on lp for it now... and a ppa with a usable build
[21:29] <johan_> I know I'm very late but anyway: is it still possible to add a new package to universe (using revu or debian import)
[21:39] <geser> not really, only with a exception for which you need a good rationale now
[21:41] <johan_> ok, that's what I expected - then I know I should not waste time on adding it to revu/...
[21:42] <johan_> since it will be synced from debian anyway in lucid+1
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[22:04] <ari-tczew> jdong: ping
[22:12] <bencrisford> http://pastebin.com/F43MWXzr - thats the .desktop file for qcad, and qcad doesnt appear in any menus unless you manually add it
[22:12] <bencrisford> when i open it in gedit
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[22:12] <bencrisford> the "Graphics" is highlighted bright red
[22:12] <bencrisford> could someone please tell me what that means?
[22:13] <bencrisford> it is highlighted red, like the TODOs are highlighted yellow
[22:13] <bencrisford> and im wondering if thats the reason id does not show up in menus
[22:14] <micahg> bencrisford: Does it work with a semicolon after Graphics?
[22:15] <bencrisford> micahg: i havent tried that yet, 1 second
[22:15] <bencrisford> i havent tested it, but i dont think it will work
[22:15] <bencrisford> the "Graphics" is still the red colour
[22:16] <micahg> I don't know about gedit
[22:17] <bencrisford> micahg: http://i44.tinypic.com/5vvyfs.png thats how it shows graphics
[22:28] <psusi> umm... how do you get the gnome calculator to convert a number to hex? ;)
[22:29] <psusi> it seems to do hex to dec... but I can't see how to make it go the other way and there does not seem to be an invert button like there is in the windows calc
[22:31] <bencrisford> psusi: hmm, it works on arch's gnome calculator
[22:31] <psusi> bencrisford, what works?  I don't see a button to do it
[22:31] <arand> psusi: There's always, preferences>change to hex view
[22:32] <bencrisford> psusi: i seem to remember that the arch gnome calc did this operation in a similar way to windows
[22:32] <psusi> ahh, there we go... they buried it in preferences ;)
[22:32] <psusi> used to the radio kobs in sci mode to toggle back and forth
[22:36] <geser> bencrisford: check the .desktop specification if Graphics is (still) a valid Category name
[22:37] <bencrisford> geser: thanks, im planning on trying that tommorrow
[22:37] <bencrisford> im off for the night now though
[22:37] <bencrisford> see y'all later ;)
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