[00:00] <ari-tczew> bdrung: nobody said that it will be easy
[00:00] <bdrung> ari-tczew: i worked on it today (global jam in berlin) and it was not fun
[00:15] <malev_> hi there! where is the irc channel for asking about the junior mentoring?
[00:16] <siddhartha> hello motu's
[00:16] <bdrung> malev_: if you have technical question, you can ask them here.
[00:16] <bdrung> hi siddhartha
[00:16] <siddhartha> i have a question..
[00:16] <[LAG]REX> malev an I are searching the way to get a mentor!!
[00:17] <[LAG]REX> and!
[00:17] <siddhartha> if theres a package that is not updated in the repository
[00:17] <siddhartha> do i file a bug-report
[00:17] <malev_> bdrung, I guess. but I'm asking about the mentorshinp motu's program
[00:18] <bdrung> siddhartha: yes
[00:18] <siddhartha> m.. for membership i guess you send an email to..http://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-motu-mentors
[00:19] <bdrung> siddhartha: mentorshinp not membership
[00:19] <bdrung> siddhartha: we are in feature freeze - you have to follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess to get an update into lucid
[00:29] <bdrung> malev_, ZEROADRENALINE: there is probably no extra IRC channel for mentoring.
[00:34] <siddhartha> question: i was running a karmic installation.. i somehow managed to change change my release type to eeebuntu after adding some package repos.  Recently i added lucid repos. Is there any way to change the distribution release type ? lsb_release -a tells me im still running eeebuntu.
[00:35] <siddhartha> leave
[00:41] <siddhartha> hello, i have a question: i was running a karmic installation.. i somehow managed to change change my release type to eeebuntu after adding some package repos.  Recently i added lucid repos. Is there any way to change the distribution release type ? lsb_release -a tells me im still running eeebuntu.
[00:46] <siddhartha> hello guys / gals , i was wondering if there was a way to be on two channels at once using irc
[00:51] <siddhartha> join #ubuntu+1
[00:51] <siddhartha> join #ubuntu-motu
[04:34] <AJ_> hello everyone
[04:34] <AJ_> I have a question about debian packages
[04:35] <AJ_> I have a project which i need to package using debian
[04:35] <AJ_> deb packages requires a control file
[04:35] <AJ_> and it has a depends field
[04:35] <AJ_> how do i know the dependencies for my project
[04:36] <AJ_> is there a command line argument to get it
[04:36] <AJ_> i tried dpkg -S <file>
[04:36] <AJ_> and it lists like million of dependencies
[04:36] <AJ_> so i reckon there has to be another way
[04:36] <AJ_> can some one please help me
[04:44] <lfaraone> !helpme | AJ_
[04:45] <lfaraone> AJ_: if you use debhelper, it'll automagically determine your dependancies if it's a C or Python application you package.
[04:47] <gnomefreak> depends ont he project but i thought there is an upstream file that has a list at least one or 2 i looked at did
[04:47] <ScottK> AJ_: Normally upstream will include some documentation about what you need to build the package.
[04:47] <gnomefreak> :)
[04:54] <AJ_> Mine is a java application built using fmod
[04:54] <AJ_> so it has fmod shared library file
[04:55] <AJ_> how do i specify the java dependency
[04:55] <AJ_> my application requires java 1.5
[04:57] <ScottK> You might ask in #ubuntu-java then.
[05:07] <AJ_> Thanks Scott. First i need to figure out what should I put in the <depend> field of control file for debian package
[05:13] <ScottK> They can probably help you with that
[06:49] <Rashless> hi all!
[06:50] <Rashless> how to rename launchpad account if I already have ppa?
[06:50] <Rashless> is there means to delete the ppa?
[06:51] <ScottK> Rashless: Those are questions for #launchpad.
[06:51] <Rashless> ok
[07:27] <micahg> just to double check if a package with ubuntu changes needs a straight sync from debian and the ubuntu changes can be dropped, we jsut request a sync?
[07:33] <ScottK> Yes, but you need to explain why it's ok to drop them.
[07:36] <micahg> ScottK: ok, it looks like I'll need to actually make some changes, so it won't be a merge, but a sync, but good to know
[08:17] <micahg> mr_pouit: I think I'm going to request a sync of gnome-chemistry-utils from debian testing...the Ubuntu changes have been merged upstream...also, it builds fine with xulrunner-1.9.2.2, but not with xulrunner-1.9.2, so we have to wait for 1.9.2.2 to get into the archive...I'm uploading a test to the xul192 migration PPA, I'll file a bug and subscribe you if it works
[12:52] <paissad> debconf sucks too much
[12:53] <paissad> po-debconf & everything's related to it
[12:53] <paissad> the documentation is bad & the tools complicated ...
[13:34] <AnAnt> Hello, is there a reason that python-multiprocessing is removed from Lucid ?
[13:34] <wgrant> AnAnt: It's included in python2.6 core.
[13:34] <AnAnt> ok, thanks
[13:36] <AnAnt> wgrant: canto package needs to be modified then
[13:37] <wgrant> AnAnt: Please file a bug.
[13:37] <wgrant> Even better if you provide a patch and request sponsorship.
[13:37] <AnAnt> wgrant: can I file a merge bug too (there's a new version that just got sponsored in Debian)
[13:37] <wgrant> AnAnt: If it contains no new features and you consider it safe and useufl.
[13:38] <AnAnt> I see
[13:39] <AnAnt> Can someone review/sponsor http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/details.py?upid=8017 ? It has been granted an FFe in LP #543679
[14:14] <paissad> guys, i created my debian/{config,templates,po/POTFILES.in,po/templates.pot} .. added dh_installdebconf in debian/rules ... but i have no config when i install the package via dpkg -i !!!!
[14:14] <paissad> i'm not prompted for any questions ^^
[14:15] <paissad> what should be the problem ?
[14:27] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: in case I haven't asked you yet: would you be willing to act as ubuntu-release delegate for xubuntu together with cody again?
[14:29] <mr_pouit> sistpoty: yeah sure (you already asked me some weeks ago ;).
[14:29] <sistpoty> mr_pouit: excellent thanks! (heh, then my list is not up to date *g*)
[14:31] <sistpoty> highvoltage: did I ask you regarding edubuntu yet?
[15:20] <Rhonda> Bug #528957 is really nagging me and I really would appreciate if one could find the time to git bisect the SDL code and pin down the commit that did break it.  %-/
[15:21] <Rhonda> But I fear that this won't happen in time for the lucid release - though I guess it would be a good thing to push in through some proposed update.
[15:22] <Rhonda> My uttermost greatful thanks will rest upon the person doing so.
[15:22] <nigelb> Any pointers to what one should be looking in the git?
[15:23] <jdstrand> sistpoty: re moin> sure thing! :)
[15:23] <Rhonda> nigelb: Unfortunately not really. See the bugreport, try to reproduce it, and I would hope that git bisect should be able to help without too much look in the code. It at least seems to be related somehow to windowed/full size mode and mousehandling differences between the two.
[15:23] <sistpoty> :)
[15:24] <nigelb> Rhonda, I can try (and will probably fail), but I will try :)
[15:45] <nigelb> Rhonda, did you mean git or svn?
[15:47] <highvoltage> hey sistpoty
[15:47] <sistpoty> hi highvoltage
[15:48] <highvoltage> sistpoty: you didn't ask me yet, at least not as far as I'm aware :)
[15:48] <\sh> moins
[15:48] <sistpoty> highvoltage: and would you be willing to act as release delegate again? :)
[15:48] <sistpoty> hi \sh
[15:49] <highvoltage> sistpoty: I haven't before, but yes, I would indeed. For Edubuntu stgraber and myself are release managers, are you talking about the universe part of it?
[15:49] <highvoltage> (sorry I'm missing some context)
[15:50] <sistpoty> highvoltage: yes, universe: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-release/2010-March/000040.html
[15:51] <highvoltage> sistpoty: yep, I confirm
[15:52] <sistpoty> thanks highvoltage :)
[15:52] <highvoltage> my pleasure
[15:52] <\sh> bah..sitting in the office doing some strange software rollout during daylight...I should deal more with couchdb...
[16:09] <Laney> sistpoty: can you please take care of requesting the next lot of syncs for the transition?
[16:09] <Laney> (I'm at a conference)
[16:09] <Laney> http://orangesquash.org.uk/~laney/haskell-installability/i386.png
[16:10] <Laney> I test built these and they worked:
[16:10] <Laney> haskelldb-hdbc_0.13-1.dsc     hdbc-odbc_2.2.3.0-2.dsc        hdbc-sqlite3_2.3.0.0-2.dsc
[16:10] <Laney> haskell-unixutils_1.22-2.dsc  hdbc-postgresql_2.2.3.1-2.dsc  missingh_1.1.0.3-1.dsc
[16:10] <Laney> thanks!
[16:28] <Rhonda> nigelb: I only know of bisect in git, and I don't even know what upstream uses. If they use svn then git svn might be the way to go for investigation.
[16:29] <nigelb> Rhonda, I checked out the upstream for the lib responsible for change
[16:29] <nigelb> there about 2000 entries between release an now :x
[16:31] <sistpoty> Laney: sure, will do
[16:44] <micahg> what do we do when a package needs web access to build (i.e. it wants to pull down files)
[16:44] <Laney> fix it to not need that
[16:45] <zgreg> is it only me, or does the font rendering of firefox in lucid have problems?
[16:46] <micahg> zgreg: bug 512561
[16:46] <zgreg> it's as broken as in the "official" builds from mozilla.org it seems :/
[16:46] <zgreg> thanks.
[16:46] <micahg> Laney: I think that gnome-chemistry-utils is building some of its docs from URLs
[16:47] <Laney> it can't do
[16:47] <Laney> the buildds don't have internet access
[16:47] <micahg> Laney: should I add the files to the debian dir then?
[16:48] <Laney> You should rather talk to upstream
[17:29]  * sistpoty wonders if he should file FFe bugs for some haskell packages ... that would lead to an interesting conversation between me and myself :)
[17:31] <iulian> One bug should be enough.
[17:45] <sistpoty> iulian: once I'm through with filing sync requests, I'll file one
[18:12] <micahg> mr_pouit: are you around?
[18:25] <mr_pouit> micahg: yes
[18:36] <zgreg> ouch - the sun java plugin is broken in lucid
[18:37] <micahg> mr_pouit: how do you get around gnome-chemistry-utils wanting to look to sourceforge for dtd for the docs?
[18:38] <ari-tczew> jdong: ping
[18:38] <jdong> ari-tczew: pong
[18:39] <ari-tczew> jdong: why I cannot use patchsystem in SRU?
[18:40] <jdong> ari-tczew: SRU's are about introducing as few changes as possible to the package to get the problem fixed...
[18:40] <jdong> this discussion has been had on mailing lists and in #ubuntu-devel and the concensus among the developers is that patchsys'es should not be *added* to packages being SRU'ed
[18:41] <jdong> but of course if a patchsys already exists, you should use it
[18:41] <zgreg> I don't get really get with sun's jre/jdk was replaced by openjdk, it's still clearly not ready!
[18:41] <geser> micahg: is the DTD perhaps already packaged?
[18:41] <ari-tczew> jdong: when discussion about patchsystems in SRU has been explained on IRC?
[18:42] <jdong> ari-tczew: I think it was about a year ago
[18:42] <sistpoty> iulian: bug #550375
[18:44] <ari-tczew> jdong: year? please take a look @ https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kadu/0.6.5.1-5ubuntu0.1
[18:44] <jdong> ari-tczew: that looks like a package that already contains a patchsys, in which case it is proper to just add a patch to it.
[18:45] <jdong> ari-tczew: in the case of a package that didn't have a patchsys in the first place, it's not recommended to add a patchsys for the purpose of SRU
[18:46] <mr_pouit> micahg: mmh, I don't know, it built fine on the buildds, so I don't think they is a problem with that
[18:46] <ari-tczew> jdong: this is sick for me! no using patchsystems messes package!
[18:47] <jdong> ari-tczew: nobody likes directly patching in the diff.gz, but at the same time, adding a patchsys to the packaging doesn't meet the definition of "minimal change necessary" for SRU's
[18:47] <jdong> SRU changes donn't have to propagate and survive future releases, though, which avoids one of the problems of monolithic patching
[18:48] <micahg> geser: it's weird, the same checks are in the current version, but it doesn't break the current version
[18:48] <sistpoty> jdong: *I* like directly patching the .diff.gz :P
[18:49] <jdong> sistpoty: haha it later on can become a pain to figure out what patch came from where for what purpose, unless you're good at documenting too :)
[18:49] <geser> sistpoty: binary diffs?
[18:49] <ari-tczew> jdong: okay, I'll reupload bzr revision.
[18:49] <sistpoty> jdong: if you properly upstream your changes, it won't ;)
[18:49] <jdong> ari-tczew: thank you
[18:49] <sistpoty> geser: haha
[18:50] <ari-tczew> jdong: I think that I could help you in clean up the bugs related to ~ubuntu-sru
[18:51] <ari-tczew> jdong: ... but how?! :> I think about access to unsubscribe SRU teams
[18:51] <jdong> ari-tczew: I think the missing part of the procedure is to detach ubuntu-sru once verification-done.
[18:51] <jdong> ari-tczew: access to unsubscribe is only available for SRU team members.
[18:52] <ari-tczew> jdong: so how can I help?
[18:52] <jdong> ari-tczew: I'd start with mailing the ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list, cc'ing the SRU team members, about your concern that the related bugs display in launchpad isn't a satisfactory radar map for what SRU tasks remain needing attention.
[18:52] <jdong> and then as a group, we can come to a concensus what's a good fix for the problem
[18:53] <jdong> i'm only one piece of the larger SRU process and don't feel comfortable single-handedly doing any mass unsubscribing, etc
[18:53] <micahg> mr_pouit: well, for some reason it skipped validation before and I can't find a reason in the changelog or patches
[18:55] <micahg> mr_pouit: here's the build log, are you familiar with this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/42258987/buildlog_ubuntu-lucid-amd64.gnome-chemistry-utils_0.10.12-2~ffox36~lucid1_FAILEDTOBUILD.txt.gz
[18:56] <bencrisford> hi everyone, ive fixed a v.simple typo-bug in the kdeedu package, and the debuild works ok, until it gets to a point, then it says it could not find the cbds/rules/1/patchsys-quilt.mk file
[18:56] <bencrisford> the full output it here: http://pastebin.com/PQc1FwFk
[18:57] <ari-tczew> jdong: what do you think about give me access to unsubscribing motu-sru && ubuntu-sru (indirectly by marking me as member)?
[18:58] <jdong> ari-tczew: that's not something I have the permission to do, or any influence upon the decision-making, but in my opinion it probably isn't feasible.
[19:03] <ari-tczew> jdong: it's the question of trust in me, I wanna only help in clean up, not to be a member of SRU 4ever or something...
[19:03] <paissad> guys, i have my personal repository for .deb packages, but ... the problem is that the server is in a non debian like system, .... thus i cannot use dpkg-scanpackages or apt-ftparchive to put my packages in the repository .... what do you suggest me now ?
[19:04] <azeem> paissad: rsync from somewhere else?
[19:04] <jdong> ari-tczew: again, it's the Ubuntu SRU *team*, no single member of the team should be doing sweeping changes like this without group concensus. Starting off an open discussion is the best way to get this process started.
[19:05] <iulian> sistpoty: Do you want me to take a look at it?
[19:05] <sistpoty> iulian: yes, I guess makes sense to have someone else then me ack it ;)
[19:05] <paissad> azeem, i don't think that rsync will work since the cache of the repository needs to be re-generated & many other stuffs
[19:06] <iulian> sistpoty: Alrighty.
[19:06] <azeem> paissad: which cache?
[19:06] <sistpoty> thanks iulian
[19:07] <paissad> azeem, http://dpaste.com/177050/
[19:08] <azeem> paissad: no idea then
[19:09] <ari-tczew> jdong: of course I'll wait for group decision
[19:20] <iulian> sistpoty: Looks good.  I have just acked it.  Thanks for taking care of it.
[19:20] <sistpoty> thanks iulian!
[19:22] <iulian> No problem.
[19:44] <bencrisford> i was working on a bug, which is now fixed, but i have made changed to some of the source files
[19:45] <bencrisford> if i apt-get source <package> again, will that overwrite my changes?
[19:53] <jpds> bencrisford: Maybe you should use the packages bazaar branch?
[19:58] <bencrisford> jpds: why is this?
[20:53] <psusi> jdong, say, were you interested in the e2defrag project?  I've got a bzr repo, project, and maintainer group set up on lp for it now... and a ppa with a usable build
[21:29] <johan_> I know I'm very late but anyway: is it still possible to add a new package to universe (using revu or debian import)
[21:39] <geser> not really, only with a exception for which you need a good rationale now
[21:41] <johan_> ok, that's what I expected - then I know I should not waste time on adding it to revu/...
[21:42] <johan_> since it will be synced from debian anyway in lucid+1
[22:04] <ari-tczew> jdong: ping
[22:12] <bencrisford> http://pastebin.com/F43MWXzr - thats the .desktop file for qcad, and qcad doesnt appear in any menus unless you manually add it
[22:12] <bencrisford> when i open it in gedit
[22:12] <bencrisford> the "Graphics" is highlighted bright red
[22:12] <bencrisford> could someone please tell me what that means?
[22:13] <bencrisford> it is highlighted red, like the TODOs are highlighted yellow
[22:13] <bencrisford> and im wondering if thats the reason id does not show up in menus
[22:14] <micahg> bencrisford: Does it work with a semicolon after Graphics?
[22:15] <bencrisford> micahg: i havent tried that yet, 1 second
[22:15] <bencrisford> i havent tested it, but i dont think it will work
[22:15] <bencrisford> the "Graphics" is still the red colour
[22:16] <micahg> I don't know about gedit
[22:17] <bencrisford> micahg: http://i44.tinypic.com/5vvyfs.png thats how it shows graphics
[22:28] <psusi> umm... how do you get the gnome calculator to convert a number to hex? ;)
[22:29] <psusi> it seems to do hex to dec... but I can't see how to make it go the other way and there does not seem to be an invert button like there is in the windows calc
[22:31] <bencrisford> psusi: hmm, it works on arch's gnome calculator
[22:31] <psusi> bencrisford, what works?  I don't see a button to do it
[22:31] <arand> psusi: There's always, preferences>change to hex view
[22:32] <bencrisford> psusi: i seem to remember that the arch gnome calc did this operation in a similar way to windows
[22:32] <psusi> ahh, there we go... they buried it in preferences ;)
[22:32] <psusi> used to the radio kobs in sci mode to toggle back and forth
[22:36] <geser> bencrisford: check the .desktop specification if Graphics is (still) a valid Category name
[22:37] <bencrisford> geser: thanks, im planning on trying that tommorrow
[22:37] <bencrisford> im off for the night now though
[22:37] <bencrisford> see y'all later ;)